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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 15 1997     Volume 01 : Number 907



330 intake
Re: MY day at the races
Re: MY day at the races
Re: MY day at the races
Re: blown head gasgets
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...
68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: dessicant?
Re: GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!
Any Olds guys in IL??
RE: curving the distributor?
Re: '67 Cutlass suspension/performance mods
Re: Sway Bars
motor for sale???????? Geo679
RE: GM strike. OOPS AGAIN!
Short on 1989 Ciera
Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Mondello camshaft
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...
Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)
Re: Mondello camshaft
RE: curving the distributor?
Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
SS II Wheels
68 Cutlass S Grille
no light ????
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Dave Smith Engineering
Distributors (was: curving dist......)
Re: dessicant?
Re: motor for sale???????? Geo679
Re: SS II Wheels
Re: SS II Wheels
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
smog check stuff
Re: Dave Smith Engineering
Re[2]: Sway Bars
RE: Distributors (was: curving dist......)
Re: SS II Wheels
Re: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al
Re: Radiator
Home Page Changed
RE: SS II Wheels
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
RE: dessicant?
Date:Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:49:03 -0500
66 Tri Power and 68 Power Ant for sale/trade
Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Re: Dave Smith Engineering
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:24:57 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: 330 intake

guys n' girls,
The afore mentioned intake has been dealt. I traded it for a pair
of distributors.....


The General

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:31:58 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

John Pajak wrote:
>
> Do%ge Shadow 2.2 non-turbo AT that ran 19.20s.......I hope the Olds is
> faster!

Seriously, I think these cars (the Cutllasses) are around 18 or 19
seconds.  I'd try it, but I'd feel real guilty of dogging my 200 tranny
like that.  I figure that the best that I can do is break even.  I can dog
it at the drag strip and at the very best, I'd come away with everything
still working.  I probably won't take this one down the strip until I get a
real transmission, or at least until after this one's overhauled.

- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:34:35 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

Tom Lentz wrote:

> I think my '79 w/ the 260 could have been a real contender!  Unless
> somebody has either the 260 diesel or a '77 Cutlass with the 260. . .

Yeah, I was thinking to myself, "You know, I bet I have the slowest Olds on
the list!"  But, you're probably right, Tom.  I could probably beat a 260
Cutlass.  Are there any out there besides Tom's?

- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:45:25 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

>my time...19.0 seconds!  Yess!!  My best yet.  :-)

Thanks for the laugh at all you accomplished in that 19.0 seconds.

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA
- ----------
Really! I think I read that in 18.992 seconds!
- --
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:49:13 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: blown head gasgets

I am using fel pro .041" head gaskets and the heads have been milled a
couple of years ago..........maybe the deck is warped.........what causes
that??

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:53:41 -0700
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

John Pajak wrote:
>
> After all of the time, effort, and money that I've put into my '78
> Delta
> (350 4bbl.), I can't seem to shake a steady miss in cylinders 3 and 5
HI JOHN,I hadthis problem on my 83 olds 307  and it was a worn out valve
keeper
but I have 192,000 miles on mine..It's my everyday ride.., Larry

      6    2     S     T    A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 10:58:03 -0600
From: scc@teamquest.com
Subject: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...

Could anyone tell me where I might get the 68 442 bumble bee stripe?  Or
maybe just the specs on the stripe, so I can have it painted on.  The
stripe is the one that goes from behind the front wheel, up the finder by
the 442 emblem, across the hood, and down the other finder.  I believe it
consisted of 3 individual stripes.  One broad stripe with two little
stripes on each side of it.


Thanks

Stephen-68-olds-convert-Chuck

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:56:52 -0400
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0

subscribe oldsmoblie amolinaro@mbakercorp.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:14:18 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

>I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
>blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
>motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
>rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.

I'm having problems again with the Digest getting truncated before it
reaches me so this may have mentioned already, but: WD-40 is designed
to be a protective anti-corrosion coating for metal, among its other
uses. (WD = Water Displacement) Assuming the pieces will be cleaned
anyway just prior to powdercoating, maybe WD-40 would be a good cheap
way to protect them in the meantime.

(Also Re: this truncation problem I'm having, if anyone had an
electrical question aimed at me and I didn't respond, please send
me a copy directly.)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:18:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!

>he locked up the brakes, and cranked my truck in the pass. door!  F***ed
>up the door, fender and running board...just over $1300.00 by the time
>it got out of the shop...
>
>What's wrong with this scenerio? *I* get hit, on *my* side of the road,
>while I'm *stopped* by a *speeding* motorcycle, but I end up with the
>"Failure To Share Roadway" charge...isn't that a load of B.S.?
>
>>>Fortunately he wasn't hurt too bad
>
>May he burn in Hell...

C'mon, Dave, don't hold it in; tell us how you really feel!

;)

That does stink to high heaven; Just for the principle of the thing, I'd
fight that charge.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:30:43 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Any Olds guys in IL??



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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:34:02 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: RE: curving the distributor?

>RC Hellebuyck,
>I'm not sure that re-curving the dist. will help solve your
>knock problem. In fact I think rec-curving the dist will actually
>enhance the problem even more. Remember that the knocking is occurring
>because you have too much advance too soon for some reason. By putting
>in the re-curve kit, you will only get more of this happening. I would
>strongly suggest that you find the problem first that is giving you the
>knocking and then add the re-curve kit. Your best bet would be the
>vacuum advance.  A test you can do, mind you it's very rudimentary.
>Unplug the vac. adv and see if the engine slows down. then plug the vac
>adv back in, the engine should speed up. If this happens it might give
>you an idea of whether/not the vac adv is at least functional. Also make
>sure that the vac adv  line is connected to a port on the carb/intake
>that is meant to be for the vac adv. You can try the adv re-curve kit
>but I honestly don't think that it will cure your problems.
>
>Fernando Proietto
>Systems Analyst - Informatics
>

I think that checking the vacuum is good advice (especially WHERE the
vacuum is coming from!).

OTOH - Wouldn't a set of worn dist. springs give too much advance too soon?
This would be a good reason to go with a "recurve" kit. I say "recurve"
because you may end up replacing the springs and not changing the curve at
all! (Well, getting back to the original curve...).

Sounds like you'll have fun anyway, so go for it! It's a relatively cheap
experiment. I would suggest that you use the running car to check the
curve. All you need to know is the RPM and the degrees of advance. This car
does have a tach??? Buy a new timing tape thingy that goes on the balancer
so you can read off the advance with a timing light easily. You need to be
able to go up to around 30 degrees max.




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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:45:59 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass suspension/performance mods

>As I'll be changing front end sheetmetal on my '67 CS 2dr/ 400ci/ auto this
>week, I figure now is the time to get down to the front susp upgrades I've
>been wanting to
>do.
>I have a stock rebuilt steering box from my '69 442 (replaced with a
>quick-ratio ) and recall a post here a bit ago that this box is quicker than
>what's stock. Is this a good swap and worth the effort?
>Where can I find a bigger swaybar for the front? The stock unit is a beefy
>~1" item, but all this talk of nearly 2" bars has me wondering...
>The front drums are history--have a set of A body discs and spindles. This
>looks to be a fairly straightforward job. Any caveats/tricks before I go
>installing them?
>Hooray for SB42! We californians can now dispose of those godawful smog pumps
>and pipes! I LOOOOVE  a clean engine bay, and now I can have one.
>And finally, have a beautiful set of American Racing Tork-thrusts 15"X7". How
>big a tire can I go with this body? Those wheel wells have always looked
>awfully empty
>to me , and now's the time to fix that. Are 245-255/60's too big? Will they
>clear the front fender lips? Or should I go a bit smaller up front? Any
>recommendations or
>experiences appreciated.
>
>Peter
>CoupeKing

Have you thought about upgrading the suspension bushings??? (Polyurethane
or DelAlum?)

Check out Performance Suspension Technologies. They have 1-1/8 or 1-1/4
inch sway bars for your car. Their number is 201-299-8019. The URL is:

http://www.p-s-t.com/


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:58:54 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Sway Bars

Hmmmm....

This whole thread got me thinkin...

Most places sell sway bars bigger for the front than the rear.

A couple people posted that they used larger bars on the rear than the front.

Any opinions on when to use which setup???


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:02:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: motor for sale???????? Geo679

anyone who has an olds rocket 350 or a 403 and is willing to sell it please
e-mail me. I have a 307 that has more blow by and mileage than one could
imagine. i'm looking to replace the motor with something bigger. So if u can
help me let me know. please include the yr, bore and if it's just a block or
how complete is it. thank you .
George P.

P.S.- the closer to Pennsylvania the better, anywhere near there I can come
out and pick up personally. I'm near philly.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:17:55 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: GM strike. OOPS AGAIN!

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net> wrote:
> OKAY OKAY!  I just got off the phone with my dad, and he said he vividly
> remembers the strike of 71.  It was a long one.  . . .

*******************
Mike,

I wasn't going to say anything, but I though you were wrong about that.  I
kind of remember that strike, because the shop where I worked at the time
had about 50% of its production going to General Motors.  The other 50%
went to another company, who it turns out was selling about half of their
50% of our production to General Motors too.  When that strike started, our
orders dropped to zero.  In fact the existing orders all got put on hold
too.  I was the low man on the seniority totem pole and the first one who
got run out the door for lack of work.  I ended up working in a Ford plant,
where things were booming.  Yeah, I kind of remember that strike . . .

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:19:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlassHoteI@aol.com
Subject: Short on 1989 Ciera

I am having a problem with the electrical system on my 1989 Ciera.  Whenever
I turn the parking light circuit on, I get electrical "spikes" through the
circuit that cause the lights to flicker, usually getting momentarily bright
and then back to normal illumination.  This happens if the ignition is on or
off, and the symptom disappears if I pull the fuse to the circuit.  There are
no voltage fluctuations in the circuit at the fuse box, so I think something
in the circuit is causing an electrical arcing.  Any ideas of what component
to check?  Please send responses to glasshotei@aol.com (that's an "eye" at
the end) as I get the Olds digest and don't want to miss any letters.
 Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:25:05 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...

scc@teamquest.com wrote:
>
> Could anyone tell me where I might get the 68 442 bumble bee stripe?  Or

Let me know as well....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:32:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: jeremy james enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

There's no doubt something very wrong with the engine.  That's why I
don't think someone would want it.
I've got a 76 Olds 98 with a stock engine w/ 161,000 on it too.  It
eats about a quart with every tank of fuel, when running it over 75mph.
You said a quart every 2 weeks... how much do you drive it?  Has the
engine ever been overhauled?  I'm asking because I'm interested in
your car, but my 455 with the same mileage seems to be asking for a
rebuild.
btw- I'll be in Stockton this weekend... Are you going to be around?
Thanks-



Jeremy

P.S.- What kind of mileage do you get with that baby?

>
> > I would, but I don't think you'd want it.  It's eating 2qt's oil w/
> > every tank of fuel.
> >
> >     Jeremy
> >
>
> Then there is something wrong with that engine, my 75 Old's 98 with
> 455 ci, racing cam, duals, splitfires, 850 holly double pumper,
> TH-400 racing trainy, and 161,000 miles, use's only 1 quart every 2
> weeks......
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:42:35 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Mondello camshaft

Anybody out there running a Mondello JM 22-25-10 camshaft? How do ya like
it?
I'm thinking of getting one in place of my JM20-22...I don't know if it's
worth changing.
The dyno sheet is impressive, but the specs arent much different than my
current camshaft.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:53:28 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

After all of the time, effort, and money that I've put into my '78
Delta (350 4bbl.), I can't seem to shake a steady miss in cylinders 3
and 5.
. . . compression ok on 1, 3, 5, 7.
- ----------
Dave,
When they did the power drop test, did you or they observe the plug
firing voltage for each cylinder? Was the drop test done at idle, 2000
RPM or both? Do you observe the miss at idle or at speed?

Before I get into some numbers, a little disclaimer. It's been a couple
of years here, so I'm probably a little off on these numbers. Someone
please correct these. With HEI, the firing voltage is around 8-10K. A
lean mixture takes more voltage to fire, richer takes less (based on the
density of ignitable molecules).

Compression requires more voltage to jump the plug gap, so with a bad
cylinder (burnt valve(s), gasket leak, tons of blowby), you might see
some really low voltage readings. The good compression test here rules
out 3 and 5 having compression problems. Compression of course would be
much lower if the above conditions existed.

With the plugs looking normal, (they don't smell of fuel?) it seem to
indicate that during some or most of the engines operation, it is firing
on all cylinders.

There might be some effect from cylinders in relation to their distance
from the carb. On an inline engine, with the characteristic huge
difference in runner length for cylinders near the middle of the block
and at the ends of the block, the middle cylinders will be rich at idle,
lean at speed. Those at the end are lean at idle, rich at speed. I think
a V engine single plane manifold is affected much the same. I think the
dual plane manifold (which you have) is not affected as much, but if I
remember correctly, there is still some of this effect.

A couple of more tests to perform. If the miss is at idle, trying
richening the mixture temporarily. Put you hand near the carb choke
plate and try to gradually cut off the air intake. At some point in
completely covering the air horn intake, the engine might smooth out. A
lean condition exists, something must be adjusted or put into specs. At
some point as you completely cover the intake, you might notice the
engine missing or choking. Most likely now some cylinders are running
too rich.

Another test is a cylinder leakdown test. That would confirm where the
compression loss is occurring.

Yet another is looking at the manifold vacuum readings. You need a
vacuum guage for this, and diagnostic diagrams to indicate what is
happening if you don't have steady 18-24 degrees of vacuum at idle.
There are other vacuum guages tests as well, and the diagnostic chart
would explain those.

I think I used enough bandwidth today!
- --
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:53:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)

In a message dated 97-10-15 11:24:26 EDT, you write:

<<
 This could be an interesting thread.  Who's got the slowest stock (good
 running, in good tune) Olds?  :-)

 I think my '79 w/ the 260 could have been a real contender!  Unless
 somebody has either the 260 diesel or a '77 Cutlass with the 260. . .

 John Pajak wrote:

 >      Hey Jason, maybe we can race sometime, my 86 Cutlass against your
 > 84! I'm sure the spectators could get a hot dog during the race and
 > still make it back to the stands for the finish! :0

 --
 Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com >>

Well, my '81 Cutlass with the 260, and 2.29's in it, would most likely
qualify pretty low.  But I had to ruin it all, and put in the 350, and now a
455.  Oh well, I can't win....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:57:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mondello camshaft

- ---"babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com> wrote:
Anybody out there running a Mondello JM 22-25-10 camshaft? How do ya
like it? I'm thinking of getting one in place of my JM20-22...I don't
know if it's  worth changing. The dyno sheet is impressive, but the
specs arent much different than my current camshaft.

!!!!!!!!!!!
     I'm running a 22-25 cam in my 72 W30 convertible (455). The
22-25-10 is supposed to be a better idling version of the 22-25 with
110 degree lobe separation instead of 108. I like it OK athough its
idles a tad rough. Maybe the 22-25-10 would idle better......I'm using
a rejetted Qjet on a stock intake and 3.42 gears and the car goes
13.30/100......not as fast as I hoped but they rarely are!
     If it was my car I would leave the 20-22 in there......wish I had
got that instead of the 22-25!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:06:07 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: curving the distributor?

Yes, you are correct in suggesting that worn dist. springs would yield
adv. too soon.  However, a re-curve kit is not a good idea to correct
this problem. Yes, go ahead and buy the kit. I used Accel's kit BTW and
it is cheap. But remember something, when I re-curved the dist. I had to
back off my timing as it went way to far adv. and it started to ping,
and that's just at idle. In R.C. case his advance is still to adv'd, and
adding this kit would just cause more pinging. I would suggest that you
first find the fault whether it's the springs, weighs, vac. adv. or what
ever else. Then make you're performance improvements. You will get a
better appreciation of the performance changes that you have made  when
the car is functioning correctly, than if you hap-hazardously change
things to fix an unknown problem and expect an improvement. Believe me,
and others on this list, that working with unknowns is a very tedious,
frustrating and expensive experience. In the end it's your car, do what
you will, however, there's no feeling than the feeling you get from
fixing your own car and knowing what you're doing or have learned in the
process.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Dan Lacey[SMTP:lacey@dsea.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 11:34 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: curving the distributor?
>
> I think that checking the vacuum is good advice (especially WHERE the
> vacuum is coming from!).
>
> OTOH - Wouldn't a set of worn dist. springs give too much advance too
> soon?
> This would be a good reason to go with a "recurve" kit. I say
> "recurve"
> because you may end up replacing the springs and not changing the
> curve at
> all! (Well, getting back to the original curve...).
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 14:02:57 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...


Stephen-68-olds-convert-Chuck asked:

Could anyone tell me where I might get the 68 442 bumble bee stripe?  Or
maybe just the specs on the stripe, so I can have it painted on.  The
stripe is the one that goes from behind the front wheel, up the finder by
the 442 emblem, across the hood, and down the other finder.  I believe it
consisted of 3 individual stripes.  One broad stripe with two little
stripes on each side of it.

     Well, the stripe doesn't actually go across the hood, it only goes up
     the front fenders and stops at the chrome strip.  Yes, it is three
     individual stripes (narrow-wide-narrow).  It was only available on the
     442s, and (interesting bit of trivia) the 442 emblems on the fenders
     were actually located further rearward with the stripes than without.
     The reason for this is that with the emblems in the original location,
     the leading edge of the stripe would hit the wheel opening chrome
     strip at the bottom.  Olds relocated the 442 emblem so that the stripe
     would be about centered between the rear edge of the wheel opening and
     the rear edge of the fender at the bottom.  I have seen pictures of
     cars where the stripe was added to a non-stripe 442 (emblems in the
     original location) and it is pretty obvious at the bottom of the
     fender.  Olds even did this on one of there very early 68 press cars,
     as there are pictures of this car (red with orange stripes) with the
     Michigan manufacturer's plates bearing the number "00-00-00".  Look at
     the bottom of the front fenders and you can see that the stripe hits
     the wheelwell chrome.  Later cars (my 68 W-30 included) have a
     significant gap at that point (stripe is about 1-2" aft of the
     chrome).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:09:28 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Yea, out by Rockford...ish....

> From:          "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
> To:            <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject:       Any Olds guys in IL??
> Date:          Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:30:43 -0500
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

>
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:24:14 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: SS II Wheels

Are their any OTHER differences between 14x7 Super Stock II wheels
("fat" spoke, dark gray) from the '68-'72 era and later models, other
than the bolt-on cap as opposed to the snap-on cap???  my sister is
junking a 1979 olds gutlass and it has the dark gray SS II's on it.  i'm
not sure if they were originally on the car but they look like the
wheels my car ('72 442) used to have, except for the snap on c-cap.

I know i'm gonna get some heat for this but i currently have the SS I
(thin spoked) wheels that everyone loves, but i want the SS II's because
it's more of an "oldsmobile" wheel to me.  The SS I is beautiful, but
looks like something from chevy or even chrysler in its day.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 12:48:42 -0600
From: Art Pforr <artp@iem.com>
Subject: 68 Cutlass S Grille

I am needing a 68 Cutlass S grille. Anyone have an extra or know where I
might find one? I have seen some that are in worse shape than mine.
IEM, Inc.
Art Pforr
Customer Service
Hardware Technical Support
Phone 970-221-3005
Fax 970-221-3709
artp@iem.com
http://www.iem.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:49:29 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: no light ????

Boys and Girls,

I just acquired a second 67' era 4 speed console and I have a question.
Both consoles have a lens in the back of the unit but neither one had
any form of light assy. What's the story ?????

The General

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:59:04 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

> There's no doubt something very wrong with the engine.  That's why I
> don't think someone would want it.
> I've got a 76 Olds 98 with a stock engine w/ 161,000 on it too.  It
> eats about a quart with every tank of fuel, when running it over 75mph.
> You said a quart every 2 weeks... how much do you drive it?  Has the
> engine ever been overhauled?  I'm asking because I'm interested in
> your car

Past history is kinda sketchy, the previous owner, (who was a friend
of mine, and knew absolutly nothing about cars) drove it 60 miles
every day to work and back, without a hitch, then the trainy went
out, he was dirt broke, and sold it to me. I put a rebuilt
TH-400 trainy in it, gave it a tune up, did a little body work on it,
(sand and prime)  and put a for sale sign on it for $1,500 or best
offer, the very original owner tried to buy it back, told me
basically ran great, no problems, he had to sell it because of a
divorce,  if I would have a dollar for every person who said they
were comming back with the money or hold it for me, I wouldn't need
to sell it. :) I went off of what he told me about it, he told me a
quart every 2 weeks, (that was also including a valve cover leak)
hasn't been driven much since then except to go get gas with it and
the car wash, but, never had any serious engine problems with it
ever. So, to answer your question, guess its never been rebuilt. :)
If you want to see a picture of it, its on the net at this site.

P.S. Milage is around 16, (93 octane)

http://www.classified2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+R175033+Q6943131

, but my 455 with the same mileage seems to be asking for a
> rebuild.
> btw- I'll be in Stockton this weekend... Are you going to be around?
> Thanks-
>
>
>
> Jeremy
>
> P.S.- What kind of mileage do you get with that baby?
>
> >
> > > I would, but I don't think you'd want it.  It's eating 2qt's oil w/
> > > every tank of fuel.
> > >
> > >     Jeremy
> > >
> >
> > Then there is something wrong with that engine, my 75 Old's 98 with
> > 455 ci, racing cam, duals, splitfires, 850 holly double pumper,
> > TH-400 racing trainy, and 161,000 miles, use's only 1 quart every 2
> > weeks......
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> > Highland Community College
> > Phone (815) 235-6121
> > Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
> >
>
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:14:12 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Dave Smith Engineering

Last night I ordered the timing chain and decided it would be a good
time to ask some questions about DSE. I think I was talking with Karen,
but, duh!, I forgot to ask! Just to confirm my curiousity, she confirmed
that DSE is not affiliated with Mondello.

I asked about the small block 1/4 mile record. She said she believes
Dave still holds it (something like 7.87). Dave is currently working on
a '54 Olds race car and a '42 Peterbuilt tow rig.

I asked about Dave's participation in racing outside of the Calif. area.
She said Dave does race, but doesn't have a set schedule. As for meeting
with you personally, DSE can arrange to talk with you, or give you a
tour, etc., if you make an appointment in advance. They are in Corona,
CA, 1 hr east of LA, 1.5 hrs north of San Diego.

I asked about DSE's intentions for a presense on the WWW. I told her
about this mail list, Bryceman's page, the Mondello page, and the large
presense of Oldsmobile interest on the Internet. I explained that we
would like to see more Oldsmobile rebuilder exposure and participation.
She asked about advertising through the mail list. I mentioned some of
our loose guidelines, but deferred her to get the official line from
Greg. Greg, mail to come. She did seem very interested in the
information I was giving, so hopefully something positive will come
about from this.

- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:13:31 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Distributors (was: curving dist......)

Many years ago I decided to replace the non performance distributor that
had found it's way into my 4-4-2.  Being the cave man that I am, I
purchased an Accell Blueprint Series points type.  It is nothing more
than a rebuilt GM unit with Accell's parts in it.  After the second
Accell cap and rotor went away at the worst times, I replaced them with
Echlin parts from NAPA.  Their points also left something to be desired
as I had to adjust the dwell setting quite often.  They were also
replaced with Echlin Blue Streak points from NAPA.  On the plus side, it
came with an assortment of springs to custom taylor the advance and it
also has an adjustable vaccuum advance.  I used the lightest springs for
maximum advance.  The car runs strong but I have a surge from too much
timing at a steady cruise of 55 - 60.  If I weren't so fat and lazy I
would crawl in there and change springs to delay full advance a little.
I would suggest caution to anyone re-curving their advance, so as not to
do what I have done with overkill.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: dessicant?

If you have a bit of surface rust it won't matter a bit to the powder coater.
I spray the parts with WD40 in anticipation of storage prior to paint or
plating, but really not necessary for your needs.
Peter
CoupeKing

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:24:10 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: motor for sale???????? Geo679

At 01:02 PM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>anyone who has an olds rocket 350 or a 403 and is willing to sell it please
>e-mail me. I have a 307 that has more blow by and mileage than one could
>imagine. i'm looking to replace the motor with something bigger. So if u can
>help me let me know. please include the yr, bore and if it's just a block or
>how complete is it. thank you .
>George P.
>
>P.S.- the closer to Pennsylvania the better, anywhere near there I can come
>out and pick up personally. I'm near philly.
>

        I've got several 350's for sale. They range from 80,000 original
miles to who knows. They all run very good. I'll let a complete engine go
for $200.00. Come and get it. I live in Virginia Beach, VA. It's about 5
hours from your place. Not a bad drive coming down 13. Bypass Dover though.
All the engines are 70-72 and all are stock bore engines. Some 2 bbl some 4
bbl. Take your pick.

Jim Chermack
(757) 474-0869

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:59:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: SS II Wheels

If you don't want the SSII wheels...EMAIL ME.

I"ll take them off your hands...

gpmtrader@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:02:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SS II Wheels

- ---Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us> wrote:
Are their any OTHER differences between 14x7 Super Stock II wheels
("fat" spoke, dark gray) from the '68-'72 era and later models, other
than the bolt-on cap as opposed to the snap-on cap???  my sister is
junking a 1979 olds gutlass and it has the dark gray SS II's on it.
i'm
not sure if they were originally on the car but they look like the
wheels my car ('72 442) used to have, except for the snap on c-cap.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     If they are on a 79 then they are the later 14 x 6 SSIIs. From
the front they look just like a 14x7 and even take the same trim ring
but they have 3.5" backspacing VS 4.5" for the earlier wheels. This
was done to clear the outer tie rod ends on the later (78-88) A and G
bodies. 15x7 SSIIs with 4.5" backspacing fit the later A & G cars
since the greater diameter places the rim edge far enough away from
the tie rod end.
     To confuse matters there are also snap on cap 14x7 SSIIs from
about 1973-1974(?) with 4.5" backspacing.
     The 68-69 SSII with the narrow trim rings and bolt on cap are
14x6 with 4.5" backspacing.
     So, the late wheels will fit...get em! Our 71 currently has later
model 14x6 SSIIs.......the judges didn't even catch it at
Templeton!...they look OK and 'most' will never know but if you have a
choice get some 14x7 or 15x7 wheels. Soon ours will have 14x7 SSIs to
match the build sheet.

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:58:43 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

babbott@pdnt.com wrote:


  Yeah, there's alot of us.  I'm in the Chicago area.  By the way, what
engine and what else are you running  to be turning 12.20's with a JM
20-22 cam?  Later.

  Paul Brillhart
  1965 442 4-spd.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 13:19:51 +0100
From: Amy Zidell <amylzid@concentric.net>
Subject: smog check stuff

sorry if this is already old news -- haven't had time to puruse the
postings lately.  Thought this would be of interest to all the
Californians out there....

COMPLETE BILL HISTORY


BILL NUMBER  : S.B. No. 42
AUTHOR  : Kopp
TOPIC   : Air pollution:  vehicles:  inspection and maintenance.

TYPE OF BILL :
                Inactive
                Non-Urgency
                Non-Appropriations
                Majority Vote Required
                Non-State-Mandated Local Program
                Fiscal
                Non-Tax Levy

BILL HISTORY
1997
Oct. 9  Chaptered by Secretary of State.  Chapter   801, Statutes of
1997.
Oct. 8  Approved by Governor.
Sept. 18   Enrolled.  To Governor at   2 p.m.
Sept. 11   Senate concurs in Assembly amendments.   (Ayes 36. Noes  1.
Page
        3093.) To enrollment.
Sept. 10   In Senate.  To unfinished business.
Sept. 9 Read third time.  Passed.   (Ayes 75. Noes  2. Page  4287.) To
        Senate.
Sept. 8 Read second time.  To third reading.
Sept. 5 Read second time.  Amended.  To second reading.
Sept. 4 From committee:  Do pass as amended.  (Ayes 20. Noes  1.)
Aug. 28 Joint Rule 61(a)(10) suspended.
July 16 Placed on  APPR. suspense file.
June 17 From committee:  Do pass, but first be re-referred to Com. on
APPR.
        (Ayes 17. Noes  0.) Re-referred to Com. on  APPR.
June 9  Hearing postponed by committee.
Apr. 21 Hearing postponed by committee.
Apr. 14 Hearing postponed by committee.
Mar. 31 To Com. on  TRANS.
Mar. 20 In Assembly.  Read first time.  Held at Desk.
Mar. 20 Read third time.  Passed.   (Ayes 33. Noes  0. Page   461.) To
        Assembly.
Mar. 19 Read second time.  To third reading.
Mar. 18 From committee:  Do pass.  (Ayes  8. Noes  1. Page   442.)
Mar. 6  Set for hearing  March  17.
Feb. 13 From committee with author's amendments.  Read second time.
        Amended.  Re-referred to committee.
Jan. 22 From committee:  Do pass, but first be re-referred to Com. on
APPR.
        (Ayes  6. Noes  0. Page 88.) Re-referred to Com. on  APPR.
Jan. 16 Set for hearing  January  21.
Jan. 7  To Com. on  TRANS.
1996
Dec. 3  From print.  May be acted upon on or after  January   2.
Dec. 2  Introduced.  Read first time.  To Com. on RLS. for assignment.
To
        print.

- -- text of bill

BILL NUMBER: SB 42      ENROLLED
        BILL TEXT

        PASSED THE SENATE   SEPTEMBER 11, 1997
        PASSED THE ASSEMBLY   SEPTEMBER 9, 1997
        AMENDED IN ASSEMBLY   SEPTEMBER 5, 1997
        AMENDED IN SENATE   FEBRUARY 13, 1997

INTRODUCED BY  Senator Kopp
   (Coauthors:  Senators Knight and Mountjoy)
   (Coauthor:  Assembly Member Cunneen)

                        DECEMBER 2, 1996

   An act to amend Section 44011 of the Health and Safety Code, and
to amend Section 4000.1 of the Vehicle Code, relating to air
pollution.



        LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST


   SB 42, Kopp.  Air pollution:  vehicles:  inspection and
maintenance.
   Existing law exempts any motor vehicle manufactured prior to the
1966 model-year from provisions requiring vehicles powered by
internal combustion engines in certain areas of the state to obtain a
smog check certificate of compliance or noncompliance biennially,
upon transfer of ownership, or upon registration of a vehicle
previously registered outside the state.
   This bill would, instead, exempt from those requirements any motor
vehicle manufactured prior to the 1974 model-year or, beginning
January 1, 2003, that is  30 or more model-years old.


THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:


  SECTION 1.  Section 44011 of the Health and Safety Code is amended
to read:
   44011.  (a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion
engines which are registered within an area designated for program
coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance, except for all of the following:
   (1) Every motorcycle, and every diesel-powered vehicle, until the
department, pursuant to Section 44012, implements test procedures
applicable to motorcycles or to diesel-powered vehicles, or both.
   (2) Any motor vehicle which has been issued a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance or an emission cost waiver upon a change
of ownership or initial registration in this state during the
preceding six months, or which has been issued a certificate of
exemption pursuant to Section 4000.6 or 4000.7 of the Vehicle Code.
   (3) Prior to January 1, 2003, any motor vehicle manufactured prior
to the 1974 model-year.
   (4) Beginning January 1, 2003, any motor vehicle that is 30 or
more model-years old.
   (5) Any other motor vehicle that the department determines would
present prohibitive inspection or repair problems.
   (6) Any vehicle registered to the owner of a fleet licensed
pursuant to Section 44020 if the vehicle is garaged exclusively
outside the area included in program coverage, and is not primarily
operated inside the area included in program coverage.
   (b) Vehicles designated for program coverage in enhanced areas
shall be required to obtain inspections from appropriate smog check
stations operating in enhanced areas.
  SEC. 2.  Section 4000.1 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
   4000.1.  (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), (c),
or (d) of this section, or subdivision (b) of Section 43654 of the
Health and Safety Code, the department shall require upon initial
registration, and upon transfer of ownership and registration, of any
motor vehicle subject to Part 5 (commencing with Section 43000) of
Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, and upon registration of a
motor vehicle previously registered outside this state which is
subject to those provisions of the Health and Safety Code, a valid
certificate of compliance or a certificate of noncompliance, as
appropriate, issued in accordance with Section 44015 of the Health
and Safety Code.
   (b) With respect to new vehicles certified pursuant to Chapter 2
(commencing with Section 43100) of Part 5 of Division 26 of the
Health and Safety Code, the department shall accept a statement
completed pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 24007 in lieu of the
certificate of compliance.
   (c) For purposes of determining the validity of a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance submitted in compliance with the
requirements of this section, the definitions of new and used motor
vehicle contained in Chapter 2 (commencing with Section 39010) of
Part 1 of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code shall control.
   (d) Subdivision (a) does not apply to a transfer of ownership and
registration under any of the following circumstances:
   (1) In any district in which biennial certification is required
and a valid certificate was issued in connection with the most recent
renewal of registration of the vehicle, and the transfer occurred
not more than 60 days following the date by which that renewal of
registration was required.
   (2) The transferor is either the parent, grandparent, sibling,
child, grandchild, or spouse of the transferee.
   (3) A vehicle registered to a sole proprietorship is transferred
to the proprietor as owner.
   (4) The transfer is between companies whose principal business is
leasing vehicles, if there is no change in the lessee or operator of
the vehicle or between the lessor and the person who has been, for at
least one year, the lessee's operator of the vehicle.
   (5) The transfer is between the lessor and lessee of the vehicle,
if there is no change in the lessee or operator of the vehicle.
   (6) Prior to January 1, 2003, the motor vehicle was manufactured
prior to the 1974 model-year.
   (7) Beginning January 1, 2003, the motor vehicle is 30 or more
model-years old.
   (e) The State Air Resources Board, under Part 5 (commencing with
Section 43000) of Division 26 of the Health and Safety Code, may
exempt designated classifications of motor vehicles from subdivision
(a) as it deems necessary, and shall notify the department of that
action.
   (f) Subdivision (a) does not apply to a motor vehicle when an
additional individual is added as a registered owner of the vehicle.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:15:18 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Dave Smith Engineering

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:

> I asked about DSE's intentions for a presense on the WWW. I told her
> about this mail list, Bryceman's page, the Mondello page, and the
> large
> presense of Oldsmobile interest on the Internet. I explained that we
> would like to see more Oldsmobile rebuilder exposure and
> participation.
> She asked about advertising through the mail list. I mentioned some of
>
> our loose guidelines, but deferred her to get the official line from
> Greg. Greg, mail to come. She did seem very interested in the
> information I was giving, so hopefully something positive will come
> about from this.
>

  I order some parts from DS Engineering about two months ago and talked
with Karen(?I think it was her).  She also expressed interest in the
list as well as Bryceman's Page at that time.  They put out a good
catalog.  Not as detailed as Mondello's, but the prices beat his by a
mile.  Definitely the best for reworked rods and cranks I've seen
including Batten, Dick Miller, and Mondello.  They also offer 4 bolt
main caps for the center three mains.  Just my 0.2.  Later.


 Paul Brillhart
 '65 442 4-spd.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 15:27:05 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Sway Bars

Most places sell sway bars bigger for the front than the rear.

A couple people posted that they used larger bars on the rear than the front.

Any opinions on when to use which setup???

     I can positively answer:  It depends :-)

     As a rule of thumb, American cars in general and A-bodies in
     particular are set up to understeer.  As another rule of thumb, the
     stiffer end of the car (as in roll stiffness) will break away first.
     If you stiffen the front more than the back, you will increase
     understeer (not a good thing).

     Unfortunately, sway bar size alone does not govern the handling of the
     car; tires, wheel size, spring rate, and bushing stiffness all enter
     into the equation.  As a result, it is difficult to provide a general
     rule as to which bars to use on your car.  Your best bet would be to
     go to one vendor (like PST) and get a complete package (bars, springs,
     bushings) and use their tire and wheel recommendations.  I realize
     this is expensive to undertake all at once, but consider buying the
     components a little at a time.  Start with wheels and tires, add
     springs and bushings, and then get the bars.  Be careful, however, as
     the one thing you don't want to do is mismatch the sway bars.  For
     example, one thing you don't want to do is add an 1 3/8 front bar with
     no back bar, as this will make the car understeer dramatically.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:28:53 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Distributors (was: curving dist......)

Good point David,
a point I have been trying to get across since the whole idea of
adv. curves came up. Basically, know where you are at , otherwise you
can't get to where you want to be. Advancing the timing will yield
better performance but too much of a good thing isn't better.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: david wyatt[SMTP:Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 3:13 PM
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Distributors (was: curving dist......)
>
> snipped

> maximum advance.  The car runs strong but I have a surge from too much
> timing at a steady cruise of 55 - 60.  If I weren't so fat and lazy I
> would crawl in there and change springs to delay full advance a
> little.
> I would suggest caution to anyone re-curving their advance, so as not
> to
> do what I have done with overkill.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: SS II Wheels

In a message dated 97-10-15 14:51:56 EDT, you write:

<< Are their any OTHER differences between 14x7 Super Stock II wheels
 ("fat" spoke, dark gray) from the '68-'72 era and later models, other
 than the bolt-on cap as opposed to the snap-on cap???  my sister is
 junking a 1979 olds gutlass and it has the dark gray SS II's on it.  i'm
 not sure if they were originally on the car but they look like the
 wheels my car ('72 442) used to have, except for the snap on c-cap.
  >>

There's a high liklihood that the 1979 wheels will be 15x7 inch, requiring
new tires.  To me, it is more desirable to have the 15 inchers.

Tom Simmons
71 SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 16:56:20 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show

I was at the show briefly, had two kids with me so I left when they started to
get a little too curious with the nice show cars.

By the way, there was a 71 Cutlass SX for sale there, black with white 
interior,
very nice condition, for sale at $6,000 firm.  From what I saw this was a good
deal.  I called the phone number on the car, never got a call back.  Anyone at
the show know anything about this car? Did it get sold on the spot?

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:56:08 -0500
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Yeah- Champaign, and Stockton

At 11:30 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:04:13 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al

I've got this same Comp Cams kit on my 455.  Installed it about 1700 miles
ago.  They seem to work just fine, very slightly more noisy than stock.  I was
dissappointed with the installation instructions, way too limited, no
illustrations, they assumed the installer has prior experience.  Also the
instructions were not Olds unique (I found out later that the locking nuts
should be tightened 3/4 to 1 full turn on Olds engines, as opposed to the half
turn on the generic Chevy engine.)



>As far as noisy, I don't think they're any noisier than stock
>rockers.  Hope you find the info helpful.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:23:06 -0700
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: Radiator

AllNiteLng@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-09-29 12:40:44 EDT, you write:
>
> << ins are green... :p ), but looks up something in his book and says he can
>  give me a brand-new Modine unit with lifetime warranty for $132, and yes,
>  it's in stock. >>
>



Hey there,

While your at it, could you look up the cost for a new radiator
for a 70 cutlass 350/auto...

Thanks... Curtis

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:12:30 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Home Page Changed

Just revamped my homepage some.  Haven't changed much on the linked
pages yet, but the front one looks much different.  Anyone care to check
it out and make sure it works from ~other~ computers?

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:06:07 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: SS II Wheels

Are their any OTHER differences between 14x7 Super Stock II wheels
("fat" spoke, dark gray) from the '68-'72 era and later models, other
than the bolt-on cap as opposed to the snap-on cap???
- ----------
I don't know when this change occurred, but somewhere around 1979 or
1980, the edges of the inserts became sharp corners rather than rounded
corners. A slight change, but noticable. What year did this happen
exactly? BTW, I've got one 14x7 and one 14x6 for sale. Round inserts,
but no cap and no trim ring. Both need a blast and paint. How's $20 each
plus shipping? LMK.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 17:52:41 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Yes, Oak Park Illinois, just outside Chicago.  I also know of four
others near here with rocket cars.  A 72 white cutlass convertible, two
W30 70 convertibles and one 71 W30 convertible.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 23:11:21 UT
From: "Laurence Simpson" <LaurenceSimpson@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: dessicant?

Jon:

Try the CAR JACKET Company at 1-800-5-CARBAG.  Besides selling neat "baggies"
to put your whole car, they will also seperately sell you dessicant.  You can
buy it in a metal canister (for car storage use), or in plastic baggies.

Larry Simpson, HOCA ª514

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From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Jon442@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 9:24 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: dessicant?

I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.

Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat shop?

Thanks,

Jon Wessel

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:49:03 -0500
From: "Jonah" <jn157@usa.net>
Subject: Date:Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:49:03 -0500

Chicago

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:28:08 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: 66 Tri Power and 68 Power Ant for sale/trade

I have a complete 66 tri-power setup including carbs and a working 68
power antenna for sale or trade for other 68 parts.

Please respond by private e-mail.

- -Dan

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 18:36:21 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...

The factory assembly manual has the locations (or relocations) of the
numerals for the fenders.  However, I have never seen this diagram in
any of the reprinted assembly manuals.  In fact, my reprint assembly
manual is missing a lot of pages.  Does anybody have this page in their
reprint?

On a good note, I do have a copy of that page and can provide the
locations.

On a bad note, I have noticed quite a few 68s with the stripe added to a
non-stripe car.  I suppose not many people know the numerals were
relocated.

- -Dan

....
>      442s, and (interesting bit of trivia) the 442 emblems on the fenders
>      were actually located further rearward with the stripes than without.
>      The reason for this is that with the emblems in the original location,
....

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:52:03 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Dave Smith Engineering

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
>
> Last night I ordered the timing chain and decided it would be a good
> time to ask some questions about DSE.

Whats the phone number?

Ken

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:25:38 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

Robert Barry wrote:


> Yup, that pretty much does rule out a blown head-gasket, which would have
> been my first guess (since I did this myself a couple weeks back...)

That's a relief...


Actually, I haven't been noticing the miss at cold fast idle, and it
feels like it's running on all eight, and there's a constant sound to
the exhaust (when at hot idle, you can hear the occasional 'hop').  All
eight plugs had a normal burn pattern, so cyl.'s 3 & 5 must be
operational ~some~ of the time (more than just cold idle).  I'm
beginning to think that the carb was leaned out when I had it rebuilt.
(it wasn't just 'rebuilt'; it was remanufactured. The only original
parts are the core, and the choke/secondary butterflies.)  If it were
running lean, why would it just act up in two cylinders, and not the
rest?  Especially because they're on different planes...

>Are you sure that the ª3 and ª5 wires are not crossed, or that there is no
>crossfire between them?

The firing order is 18436572, right? (think that's it, could be wrong)
I made sure that I hadn't mixed up the wires, so that rules that out.
However, I managed to destroy the factory wire looms, so now the wires
look disorganized under the hood.  I'm not sure if I have them
criss-crossed or not...if they are crossed right after the distributor,
would they have to be crossed a second time to eliminate induction
firing?

I'm going to take apart the whole ignition system tomorrow, and check
everything because this miss is driving me insane.  It's likely
something small, too...

>What kind of wires are they?  Are they custom or cut-to-fit?

The new wires are Niehoff 8mm Platinum, and they're a custom fit set.
From what I've heard, they're a happy medium between generic brand wires
and expensive wires, like Taylor.  The price was reasonable...about
$55.00 CDN.  I've never heard of Niehoff until now, and if it's the
wires are at fault, I'll be writing them a spicy little note...

I also installed a Wells cap and rotor kit, which is also fairly
cheap...about $18 CDN for the kit.  Could this affect performance?  I'll
pull off the cap tomorrow and check for any problems...

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)

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