
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 26 1997     Volume 01 : Number 972



Re: Outsiders 2 Cents
Re: car craft / metal thing
Re: Door Locks
RE: Outsiders 2 Cents
Hey new guy! Purpose of this list???
Re: car craft / metal thing
Re: meyers misfiring q4
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Re: car craft / metal thing
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True dual Kits????
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:35:44 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

Hi Tom,

> I also am new to the list, sort of.  I've been subscribed for a few
> weeks, getting the feel of the list by reading the postings.  I joined
> the list because I , rather impulsively, bought a '68 Olds Cutlass

Good choice.

> Supreme.  I know the difference between a screwdriver and a socket
> wrench (unless it's late Friday or Saturday evening), but I'm not a

Well that is a good start! :-)

> TRUE CAR ENTHUSIAST. Thats why I joined the list, I like to work on 

Don't worry you'll turn into a gear-head.  I was like you and now 
people come to me to ask car questions.  It is really freaky.

> my car, I have a limited budget, I can't afford to make too many
> mistakes and so on.  The overall tone of the list (with some
> exceptions) seems to be "hey dummy, why'd you do that!" or "that's 
> was stupid, my way is better".  

I am sorry you think that that is the tone.  I don't see it that way.
We all are at different levels on understanding which makes for 
interested discussions on the list.  If we all had the same know-how
how boring it would be.

>                                I feel I'm way under car educated to
> even post a question, I've been relying on the FAQ section, which is
> incredibly useful. If I can ever get my car to the point that I can
> brag about it, I'll join you all.  I like fishing to, so I know how 
> to brag (exagerate)!!

You can always ask me a question.  I don't subscribe to the dummy
theory.  There aren't any dumb questions.

> Anyway, I may still ask some questions, but I think I'll do it by 
> private e-mails for now.

Your call. 

> By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Oh I don't know about that!  My car (aka Leaking Lena), a 1968 442, was
quite famous in this department. :-)

> Happy Motoring!

Ditto.


Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 13:37:09 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

I don't know who they have making these lists at Car Craft, but they 
should employ individuals with better knowledge. Not only are some of 
the candidates questionable, but a lot of the specifications on the cars 
are incorrect. (including the Rallye 350)

The 'metal strap' you are referring to is (or at least I've been told) 
an engine hoist strap. They must have used this thing forever as my 
uncle's (soon to be my brother's) '85 Cutlass 307 sports the same piece.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:48:11 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Door Locks

>Can you make keys using the existing door locks?  Or can you still get
>new locks keyed the same as the ignition key?>

As mentioned before Wayne, either way is possible and will work.  But in 
my opinion a dealership should be your second choice.  


From other response: <<The local locksmith probably uses much the same 
kit, but I wouldn't want him blundering around trying to figure out how 
to open up the door panels...>>

I can assure you that the same "kit" IS used by both.  What matters in 
this case is "who" is behind that kit.  Heck, you'll find hardware stores 
that will re-key house and auto locks using that same kit.  Well you do 
what you want, but on a 1970 car odds are you'll run across a 
"blundering" person at a dealership before you find a blundering 
locksmith.  An experienced locksmith will certainly know how to 
disassemble a 1970 Olds door panel,(considering today's models).  A 
locksmith will more than likely be cheaper, faster and more convenient 
too.  

If your worried about potential damage, take the door locks out yourself 
and have a locksmith cut you keys by code or fit a key to the existing 
lock, (should only cost around $10. - $20.)  Whatever you choose, it will 
be cheaper if you, (or your buddy), take the locks out yourself.

If you go the locksmith route, look for a "Master Locksmith" (which is a 
certification level) and one that is a member of "ALOA".

Let the GM mechanics stick to the cars their trained to fix.  Again, just 
my opinion and advice.

Good Luck!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1993 14:57:20 -0000
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: RE: Outsiders 2 Cents

Thanks! I have to admit, you guy's know your cars! After I spend some time with the FAQ section, I probably will have lots of questions. I already have benefited from the list, found out the date on my laptop was wrong.

I'll be asking soon, thanks again!

- ----------
From: 	Don Sowers[SMTP:dstaxpro@lex.infi.net]
Sent: 	Tuesday, November 25, 1997 9:37 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

Tom Starkey wrote:
> 
> Hello All!

Welcome to the list, Tom.  If you can tell good fish stories, you're
already off to a good start in the car line.  To tell you the truth,
this list has taken a more biting tone as of late.  I've been on here
about 9 months and have enjoyed it a lot.  Lots of people with lots of
knowledge on here with us rank (or unranked) rookies.  On the whole they
are a very tolerable group to ask what would appear to some to be stupid
questions.  Every once in a while a renegade hits the list, but not
usually very often or too long lasting.  So ask away, because someone
will be able to assist you.


> By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Trying to get another mine leaks faster than yours thread going huh?  I
can see people heading outside with knives, screwdrivers, etc to start
working on the leaks already.  (Just kidding Tom.)  At any rate welcome
and enjoy.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 05:18:50 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Hey new guy! Purpose of this list???

For the new guy, (sorry deleted your post), don't let a handful of 
idiots intimidate you!!!  The sole reason this list exists is for 
exchanging information about Oldsmobiles!  I joined the list this past 
June and have since learned much more than I ever thought I would!  You 
can't just hope someone will ask a question you yourself are wondering 
about.  You got to ask!  The most knowledgeable person on this list can 
still, (and probably will) learn something new. 

This list is a God send!  And who says you can't get something for 
nothing?  :)

In the past couple months I've found small, hard-to-find items to 
complete my car from Washington, Canada, Rhode Island and New Jersey!  
Hmmm, I wonder how much time and money it would have taken to find 
those parts with out this list. (probably a new paint job's worth)  :)

Enough said.  Welcome to the list and have fun.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:14:58 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

> Is this true.  I was under the impression that the 68/69 H/Os were the
> fastest...
> 
I think the 68 H/O was pretty darn quick, but the 69 H/O was a dog in
comparison.  It had as much muscle as the A/C version of the 68, if
that.  Detuned is the word I'm searching for.  It was only breaking
under 14 in most of the test articles I've read.  And remember, a lot of
times they used a "ringer" car for the magazines to thrash.  A specially
tuned version of the production model.  This was creative PR by the
manufacturers.  So who gives a crap about the fastest?  If you have a 68
or 69 H/O, you have one of the coolest Olds made, but that's just my
opinion, of course.  In my book, the coolest Olds EVER was the 67 Hurst
Hairy Olds.  I know it wasn't production, but it was still way cool. 
What, with 1420 or so 68 and 69 H/Os made, that kinda makes it rare.  So
far, only around 150 functional, documented 69 H/Os are registered with
the H/OCA 69 advisor.  I'm sure some more are out there, but that still
ain't very many.

Oh well, as for that metal thing, the loop, was used at the factory for
lowering the engine into the frame.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:34:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: meyers misfiring q4

Or you can go to a well equipped auto parts source and save about half of
that $80. I needed one about 6 months ago and paid I think $40 for it. Try
that first unless you got money to throw away.


>Meyer,
>At last your worries are almost over.  I checked out your problem of your
>91 calais w41 misfiring.  It looks like mike is right.  What happens is
>that under the "quad 4" cover there is a black housing, called a coil
>housing.  When something in it breaks down, the spark jumps directly to
>the cam cover.  Thus causing the car to misfire.  Here is how to check
>this out ( Im 90% sure this is your problem, its not the coils
>themselves)
>1)  take the quad 4 silver cover off by taking the 4 bolts off but leave
>the wire connected.
>2)  flip the cover upside down and put the rear bolts into the rear cam
>(do not tighten just enough so it dosent fall off)
>3)  take the spark plug boots off and put a pair of spark plug wires from
>the nipple on the coil housing to the spark plugs ensuring good
>connection.
>4)Start the car up and it should run fine because the coil housing has no
>where else to arc to.  If this is true you can get the coil housing from
>GM for about $80 or a junkyard for $25 or so.  Do not replace the coils
>themselves.
>5) if this dosent work out do the same as above but use a test light on
>each individual plug and 1 should make it run the same, 3 run worse.
>6) while its apart i would still check out those plugs to be safe.
>
>Good luck with your calais w41 happy oldsmobiling!! always here to help a
>q4 owner.
>
>shaun
>81 custom cruiser
>89 calais gold edition
>
>Ps- thanks all for the info on the gold stripe, if you have #'s at all
>that would help out.


Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 14:40:22 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Club of America on the Web

This is for mainly the newbies to the list:

The Oldsmobile Club of America has a web site at the following:
http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

There is the basic info about the club and an application form also, along 
w/ a listing of all the official chapters nationwide. It also has listings 
of chapter events as they are arranged. 

LOOK FOR A HOLIDAY UPDATE 12/1/97 !!!

It should have it's own URL in January.
================================
NOTE TO OCA MEMBERS:
Anyone on the list who is a member of a chapter, please have your officers 
send me a copy of your newsletter (I just need 1) so I can update the 
chapter page w/ chapter logos and if possible have them send me a short 
note about the chapter to go w/ the listing.  Also if someone wants to be 
the e-mail representative for your chapter, have them drop me a note 
directly.  My snail-mail address is in "Rockets OnLine" in the Nov issue of 
JWO.  My scanner and keyboard are waiting for some input.
===================================================================
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:57:13 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

> The 'metal strap' you are referring to is (or at least I've been told)
> an engine hoist strap. They must have used this thing forever as my
> uncle's (soon to be my brother's) '85 Cutlass 307 sports the same piece.

        Just to add to this, the '76 350 Oldsie that was in my '76 CSB had
that loop, and so does the '78 403 that was just in there last.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 17:32:16 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan

I'm assuming the Toro pan is on a Cutlass,88, or 98. If so you still
have to jack the engine to get the pan off. It's not hard though......

John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
- -- 
No. Engine still in the Toro chassis, Toro's located in a swampier part
of the parts yard. I'm hoping . . .
- ----------
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         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:29:14 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Welcome new members!

Welcome.  Here, you will find most any Olds-related answer you may have
a question about.  And sometimes, even if you don't own an Olds, and
have, say, another brand of GM, some of the things covered here can
still be applied to your application.  It disturbs me that some of the
new people on the list are afraid to ask questions.  How are you gonna
find out if you don't ask questions?  Oops, I just asked a question. 
See how easy that is?  Whoa, there's another one!  If you EVER get
anyone replying to a question saying "you're dumb for doing  that!",
then all you have to do is let the rest of us on the list know, and
we'll kick their butts via e-mail.  I usually try to answer to the best
of my knowledge, but as of late, the questions have been getting so
tough, I've actually had to dig out some tech manuals!  Makes you get up
to speed again!

As for anyone feeling their rights as an U.S. citizen are in jeapordy,
stop it.  The list is run by someone who doesn't live in the U.S.  So
your rights aren't valid anyway. Remember, it's Greg who runs the list,
and it is a privilege, not a right, to be here.

I can assure you this.  No one on this list knows everything about
Oldsmobiles, for if they did, then they wouldn't need this list. They'd
be making a fortune writing books.  But, ask any question you like.  I,
along with countless number of others, try to help out anyone that we
can.  I don't claim to know it all, I still learn something new almost
every day, but I have had a lot of experience. (you know, that thing you
get when you make mistakes?)  This list is not usually hostile.  But the
more we pool our knowledge, the better off all our Oldsmobiles will be. 
Just jump in with both feet.  Someone here will catch you, I promise.

Now, if anyone has actually read all this, I have a question.  I've been
thinking about redoing the 69 H/O interior, specifically the
door/quarter panel areas.  Does anyone here have any experience with any
of the aftermarket panels?  What about quality, fit, etc.???  Especially
for the 69 Cutlass/442/Hursts?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 16:36:00 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Misc. Items found

Hello Everyone,
  I was just looking at a web auction site..  www.ebay.com/aw and have come
across interesting things there on occasion..  Worth an occasional look.  I
just purchased a '69 Fisher Body manual for $2.25 there the other day :)
Anyway,  There were a few items that I thought some people might be
interested in.. (no warranties, no guarantees, no nothing from me):

1971 4-4-2 Owner's Manual
1969 98/Delta 88 Owner's Manual
1968 Toronado Owner's Manual
1966 Fisher Body Manual
1967 Fisher Body Manual
1990 Cutlass Supreme Factory Service Manual
1941 Oldsmobile color catalog
1954 Oldsmobile Color Catalog
1956 Oldsmobile Color folder
1957 Oldsmobile Shop Manual
3 Wheels that I, as well as the seller can't identify.. Could be a rare
find.. I don't know

Anyway, just trying to be of help to people..  Once again, I know nothing
about this stuff.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 18:39:05 -0500
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: olds

unsubscribe oldsmobile dave70ss@ici.net

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:16:33 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: True dual Kits????

Thomas Martin wrote:

> I am running a stone stock exhaust, the catalytic has been verified as
> just fine, (I looked when I took it off!).  Is the factory exhaust very
> restrictive?  It seems to be about 2.25 in pipe at best.  I am looking
> at swapping in a dual exhaust, contemplating dual cats.

1. Is there a company that make a "Cat-Back" exhaust system for the 87
Cutlass wearing a 307 that is computer friendly?  

2. Is there a company that makes headers for the same car that "bolt
in"??? <HG> That are oxygen sensor geared?
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:24:14 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Welcome new members!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 6:42 PM
Subject: Welcome new members!


<snip>
> How are you gonna find out if you don't ask questions

Amen to that!!! I hadn't even heard of Oldsmobiles when I joined the
list. <G>. I had a lot of dumb questions that people here have really
helped me out with. I have never felt any resentment to the questions
I asked and the help and support have been invaluable.

>Now, if anyone has actually read all this, I have a question.  I've
been
>thinking about redoing the 69 H/O interior, specifically the
>door/quarter panel areas.  Does anyone here have any experience with
any
>of the aftermarket panels?  What about quality, fit, etc.???
Especially
>for the 69 Cutlass/442/Hursts?

Mike,
Although the interior in my 69 was done about three years ago, the fit
and finish is excellent. It came from Year One. It even has the
"correct" diamond pattern. Does anyone know if the stuff they sell
today is the same? I had a spring break in the rear seat and pop out
through the fabric.
>
>Mike Rothe

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:27:55 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Full-Sizer Stuff

BIGJERMES@aol.com wrote:

> list 2 oil filter choices.  you want the blue filter.  it is supposedly the
> way to go.

As in Purolator PureONE?  If this is the one you are talking about, I
have had AWESOME success with this filter...  I ran my last car about
5000 Miles between oil changes, and  with two different filters, one
being "Duetch" the Auto-Zone Ultimate (kinda generic though) and the
PureONE...  After 5000 Miles, I didn't have any of the fine grit in the
oil that I normally see when I changed oil in the car, and it was
definitely cleaner looking...  I change oil for a living at work, and we
use the "cheapy" filters our fleet.  I must say I was out right
impressed by their filters....  

Have seen Fram in comparison (but not their top of the line), and they
are BETTER than all the normal filters, kinda like a 95 on a scale of
100, and PureONE being 99.  Our work ones being 70.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:34:01 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

> By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Does it beat my old car's record of a Quart every 2 days?  Mine leaked
in the front, in the back, on the sides, outta the pan you name it.... 
Even the pan had a little pin hole in it...  Kind cool when you had it
idling..
 -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:45:55 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Welcome new members!

Mike Rothe wrote:

> still be applied to your application.  It disturbs me that some of the
> new people on the list are afraid to ask questions.  How are you gonna
> find out if you don't ask questions? 

You won't have to worry about this new Olds list fella asking away to
hearts content...  I am part of a whole other car Mail list for (GASP)
Mustang IIs where we regularly play a game I created called "Lemme Stump
The Experts)  Score so far:  Experts 54/Jerry 1 (couldn't explain why
the dash lights and parking lights cut out in my 77 II when I installed
a set of fog lights directly fed from the headlight switch, so I'd quit
"forgetting to turn the fog lights off")  Found out later how to install
a relay to feed the need for more juice to the lights!! <G>


> every day, but I have had a lot of experience. (you know, that thing you
> get when you make mistakes?) 

No way, I can't possibly make mistakes...  Oooops, well, ok, I can make
one mistake...  I am not god...  gotta miss that one time deal.  <G>

> Just jump in with both feet.  Someone here will catch you, I promise.

True, very true..  I was suprized to say the least that there where more
than a handful of 82-88 Cutlass owners here as well as the "land yachts"
of the 70's (Nothing personal) and that EVERYONE seems helpful...  Kinda
makes you feel warm inside... Ooops, that's Mexican, I thought this was
the mexican food mail list.. Sorry, gotta run... <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:10:29 -0600
From: "M.Chapman" <chapman1@midwest.net>
Subject: New Door Lock Cylinders  PLEASE HELP

Where do i go to get new cylinders put in my doors? is it better to go to
the junkyard and pull some out of an old car? or should i just go to the
Olds Dealer and buy a new pair?
Locksmith?????


thanks in advence

Mark Chapman
85 Cutlass Salon
87 Monte Carlo SS
95 Monte Carlo LS

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:09:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: meyers misfiring q4

Or you can go to the junk yard as my brother did for $25 bones and it 
works just fine.  Yours aint the only car to have it happen.  My brothers 
88 calais and my 89 calais.  let us know how it turned out.

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Gary Harrod wrote:

> Or you can go to a well equipped auto parts source and save about half of
> that $80. I needed one about 6 months ago and paid I think $40 for it. Try
> that first unless you got money to throw away.
> 
> 
> >Meyer,
> >At last your worries are almost over.  I checked out your problem of your
> >91 calais w41 misfiring.  It looks like mike is right.  What happens is
> >that under the "quad 4" cover there is a black housing, called a coil
> >housing.  When something in it breaks down, the spark jumps directly to
> >the cam cover.  Thus causing the car to misfire.  Here is how to check
> >this out ( Im 90% sure this is your problem, its not the coils
> >themselves)
> >1)  take the quad 4 silver cover off by taking the 4 bolts off but leave
> >the wire connected.
> >2)  flip the cover upside down and put the rear bolts into the rear cam
> >(do not tighten just enough so it dosent fall off)
> >3)  take the spark plug boots off and put a pair of spark plug wires from
> >the nipple on the coil housing to the spark plugs ensuring good
> >connection.
> >4)Start the car up and it should run fine because the coil housing has no
> >where else to arc to.  If this is true you can get the coil housing from
> >GM for about $80 or a junkyard for $25 or so.  Do not replace the coils
> >themselves.
> >5) if this dosent work out do the same as above but use a test light on
> >each individual plug and 1 should make it run the same, 3 run worse.
> >6) while its apart i would still check out those plugs to be safe.
> >
> >Good luck with your calais w41 happy oldsmobiling!! always here to help a
> >q4 owner.
> >
> >shaun
> >81 custom cruiser
> >89 calais gold edition
> >
> >Ps- thanks all for the info on the gold stripe, if you have #'s at all
> >that would help out.
> 
> 
> Gary Harrod
> gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
> N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:32:23 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> 
> I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't include
> the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..

Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.


- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:41:55 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

Tom Starkey wrote:


The overall tone of the list (with some exceptions) seems to be "hey
dummy, why'd you do that!" or "that's was stupid, my way is better".  I
feel I'm way under car educated to even post a question, I've been
relying on the FAQ section, which is incredibly useful. If I can ever
get my car to the point that I can brag about it, I'll join you all.  I
like fishing to, so I know how to brag (exagerate)!!
- ----------------------------------------------------
Tom,
First, congratulations for USING the FAQ!!!
How do you think all that useful information got in there?  People asked
the questions and others responded.  That is the true purpose, and
beauty, of this list.  There is an incrediable amount of knowledge here,
as well as a ~lot~ of reference books.
Don't let the "few" keep you from asking ~anything~ about your car.
BTW, occasionally there will be some berating by another list member in
good fun.  On the ~RARE~ occasion that this happens, it is between folks
that have been here a while and developed a rapport (it's actually quite
amusing then).

> By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Good one.  You can read the FAQ and have a sense of humor.  You'll fit
in just fine!

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:43:50 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 turn signal prob

In a message dated 97-11-24 01:44:46 EST, you write:

<< >and now the system is blowing the fuse and is completely 
 >inoperable.
 
 Um... are you sure you don't have a problem elsewhere? Rainwater usually
 won't blow a fuse; it's only 12 volts circulating down there. And which
 fuse is it? The one for all your exterior lighting (other than
 headlamps) >>
Well, I tried the Heavy Duty flasher that someone else mentioned, problems
gone away for now, we'll see if that fixes it permanent.  The Fuse is hooked
into the seatbelt buzzer, the turn signals, and the reverse lights, which all
seem to be working fine.  I don't think the 73's had any type of splash
guard, none is mentioned in the assembly manual.  
I saw a really sharp 20K 4-dr 73 Supreme on a used car lot last august..
really nice car, posi, a/c, even had the original tires.  Still had the
original front sockets, but no splash guard.  Really should've gotten that
car..  interior was the same color as mine, though it looked brand new.  Only
wanted $2000 for it..  oh well..

Thanks for everyone's help.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:49:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Winter Project Dreams

On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Padavano.Joe wrote:
>      The speedo is the least of your problems.  Your gear selector detent 
>      plate in the steering column only has two forward positions, D and L.  
>      Two choices are 1) get a column (or detent plate - but changing the 
>      whole column is probably easier) from a TH-400 car, or 2) accept the 
>      fact that you'll only be able to select D and S manually.  Tranny will 
>      work fine, you just won't be able to manually select L.  This is what 
>      my friend did.  Of course, you can live with the Jetaway detent plate 
>      for now and change it at any time in the future.

Joe, thanks for the great response. I have located most of the stuff I 
would need if I need to do this... a couple more questions though:

- - are kickdown cables available still, either new or repro? Or are we 
talking junkyard parts?

- - on the shift detent plate, a proper one for a '68 would be tough to 
find (I assume it would be out of a 4-4-2 or Vista with a TH400). Would 
other years fit, and/or do you think the existing one could be altered to 
work? Keep in mind the '69 and later shift bowls were bigger...

Thanks in advance! :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 19:55:43 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: '66 W-30  (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

>PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
>> 
>> I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't include
>> the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..
>
>Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.

The December issue of "Old Car Trader" has a '66 W-30 for sale.  Frame off
resto, black paint, red interior, SS I's, 4 spd., Tri-power, etc.  (Don't
have the phone numbers handy.  Ad said "serious inquiries only".)  There was
a discussion on the list about a year or so ago that said there were only 54
W-30's produced in 1966. Think this could be one of those "rarities"?  (Hey,
Chris Witt - my car is soooo rare... :-)  Fred Brussee sent me some Lansing
video of two '66 W-30's parked side by side - one was red with black
interior, (original)   the other was a black one with red interior.
(restored)  Possibly the same car.  I'd hate to hear the price on THAT one...

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html  

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 20:52:06 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: My Ignorance

     Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:10:47 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers

I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.

1. FRONT Speakers....  How do they come outta their little hiding
hole???

2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone with
experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand...   

I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels without
dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>  

I currently run a Kenwood CD Player and love it...  Any ideas would be
appreciated.....  
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:10:50 -0800
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: 2 bbl carb

Am looking for some ridiculous information:

My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
(Almost any advice that is...)

Thanks

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme
62,000 original miles

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:32:01 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

Boogah Wolfe wrote:
 
> My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
> times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
> my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
> (Almost any advice that is...)

I once had a '72 Supreme coupe with a 2bbl.  I'd imagine they were
fairly common.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:33:57 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: '66 W-30  (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)

Doug Newman wrote:
>
> The December issue of "Old Car Trader" has a '66 W-30 for sale.  Frame off
> resto, black paint, red interior, SS I's, 4 spd., Tri-power, etc.  (Don't
> have the phone numbers handy.  Ad said "serious inquiries only".)  There was
> a discussion on the list about a year or so ago that said there were only 54
> W-30's produced in 1966. Think this could be one of those "rarities"?  (Hey,
> Chris Witt - my car is soooo rare... :-)  Fred Brussee sent me some Lansing
> video of two '66 W-30's parked side by side - one was red with black
> interior, (original)   the other was a black one with red interior.
> (restored)  Possibly the same car.  I'd hate to hear the price on THAT one...

Try about $30K-$40K

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:23:20 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: fastest Olds

Mr. Heinrich:  Now you've *really* started something.  Incoming!
Oh, by the way, you're 100% correct.  Let me be more specific, a '66 W-30
F-85 Club Coupe.  
Boy I'm glad *I* didn't start this!

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:32 PM
> 
> PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> > 
> > I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't
include
> > the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..
> 
> Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:37:16 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: My Ignorance

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
> 
>      Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

A '66 442 with twin, blown toro engines.  A funny car from the sixties
built by Hurst.  For a little more info, goto
http://www.442.com/collect.html and select the models section.
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:33:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever

>I dont know what is involved in actually running a list of any sort, but when
>someone restricts my freedom in any way i get a little concerned.

As noted, freedom is not the issue; it's a matter of civility.

> If you dont like a letters content, why not just delete it? All you have to
>do is read the subject and delete it. Do i have to worry about what i say
>now, because i might offend you??????  Bench racing is part of cars,
>including oldsmobiles.. IF YOU DONT LIKE THE SUBJECT, JUST DELETE IT!!!!!!!!

When I was on the list in real-time mode, I could sort my messages by
subject and do just that; now that I'm on digest, I have to page through
everything, and the "my car is faster, your car sucks" posts just start to
get tiring. 

I don't get mad, just disappointed; is this all we're here to talk about? I
hold this list in high regard, and respect the people who contribute both
answers *and* questions for discussion, so I'm disappointed when the
discussions take a turn to the inane and spiteful.

>I pers dont hold a grudge against any q4 or anti-ford owners, its all in fun
>to me.  But i think its rediculous that 1 person has the right to say what is
>shown on the list.

Since Greg's the one kind enough to sponsor the list, I think it's simply a
matter of common courtesy to abide by the original intent of the list. If
somebody here wants to host a "Fords-Suck-Quad-4's-Rule@noname.netswamp.com"
mailing list, then he is certainly free to do so; just find an internet
provider who is willing to host your mailing list (as Greg has done),
advertise it and establish some guidelines (as Greg has done), and then deal
with dozens of bounced posts because of the incompetence and ignorance of
others (as Greg continually does).

> Im not being corny, but im damn PROUD of my freedom in america. to many
>people lost their lives in wartime for that priceless freedom.  Ive read many
>non-olds stories, and you know what, i dont mind.  Nothing personal, just my
>thoughts on the subject.

I don't mind any of those posts either, just as long as the poster is not
making an ass of himself by making belligerant or obnoxious statements
(hence the designation of posters as "high-school"-ish; in fact, most
high-schoolers I know are more civil than some of the posts on this matter
lately).

> Im for list freedom, it isnt right if 1 person picks and chooses which
>letters are ok, etc. oh well, off the oldsbox..

I'm also for list freedom, but also for what my wife and I have to remind
our 3-year old about: "Be nice!"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:33:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

>I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't include
>the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..

You mean they did a top-ten Olds musclecar list, and omitted the '70 442?
Heck, I'm going to subscribe to CC right now, just so I can write them an
irate letter demanding that they cancel my subscription!

As for my personal top-ten Olds musclecar list:

 1) 1970 W-30 4-speed convertible
 2) 1969 Hurst/Olds
 3) 1966 442 L-69 4-speed coupe (W-30 would be neat, but I'm not getting greedy)
 4) 1969 Cutlass Holiday Coupe with W-31 option
 5) 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX hardtop with W-32 option
 6) 1972 Hurst/Olds w/sunroof
 7) 1966 Starfire w/4-speed
 8) 1965 Jetstar I
 9) 1969 Toronado W-34 (this would have to be black, with bucket seats and
console)
10) 1983 Hurst/Olds (because they look and sound like nothing else...)

NOTE: Your own list WILL differ from this list; this is just my PERSONAL
PREFERENCE! But of course you're welcome to share your own personal top-10 list

>instead they included the rallye 350?  Don't get me wrong, rallye 350's are 
>cool, but they're just cutlasses with stickers...

Well, it *is* Car Craft. So, which Chevy did they rate #1? I haven't seen
the issue yet, but the suspense is killing me <yawn...>.

>On a completely unrelated note, I have a 72 cutlass supreme w/ the 350, and 
>on the front portion of the intake manifold to the right of the carb 
>(if you are standing in front of the car looking at the engine) there is 
>a metal loop attached to the manifold that kind of looks like a coil strap,
>but it's not the coil strap since that's behind the carb- so what the heck
>is that thing for anyways?

That, along with the hole in the cast-iron of the bellhousing to the
passenger-side of the distributor, serves as a mounting point for a chain
hoist for pulling the motor out of the engine compartment.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:33:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

>I also am new to the list, sort of.  I've been subscribed for a few weeks, 
>getting the feel of the list by reading the postings.  I joined the list 
>because I , rather impulsively, bought a '68 Olds Cutlass Supreme.  I know 
>the difference between a screwdriver and a socket wrench (unless it's late 
>Friday or Saturday evening), but I'm not a TRUE CAR ENTHUSIAST. Thats why I 
>joined the list, I like to work on my car, I have a limited budget, 

So, you're saying that you're a "false" car enthusiast? Let's look at the
facts, shall we?

* You own an Olds (and a '68 Supreme is a pretty classy car, I might add...)
* You like to work on your car
* You read the FAQ
* You have a limited budget

Hate to break it to you, Tom, but it sounds like you're a true car
enthusiast after all! ;)

>I can't 
>afford to make too many mistakes 

That's what's great about this list; we guide you in making mistakes that
you _can_ afford.

>and so on.  The overall tone of the list 
>(with some exceptions) seems to be "hey dummy, why'd you do that!" or "that's 
>was stupid, my way is better".  

I too am sorry that you'd get a negative impression from the answers shared
here; I was under the impression that all answers were offered in the spirit
of true helfulness, and that nobody who asked questions was belittled for
not knowing as much as the "experts".

>I feel I'm way under car educated to even 
>post a question, I've been relying on the FAQ section, which is incredibly 
>useful. If I can ever get my car to the point that I can brag about it, I'll 
>join you all.  I like fishing to, so I know how to brag (exagerate)!!
>>
>Anyway, I may still ask some questions, but I think I'll do it by private 
>e-mails for now. 

I'd encourage you to pose your questions to the whole group; the point here
is not to brag, but to learn. For my first year on the list, I was basically
silent, but gradually I got used to asking questions, and the advice this
list offered me was invaluable in rebuilding my 403, and the encouragement I
got from this list supported me in my rejuvenation of my '69 Toro, and
spurred me on to getting my SX back on the road (which it isn't, quite yet;
darn students want me to do things like grade their papers and stand before
them to talk for hours at a time on things that they're not interested;
soon, though, very soon...).

>By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Well, my '69 Toro might as well have *no* front seal on the intake manifold,
the way that oil pours down the front of the engine when I'm driving it...

BTW, where's your tranny leaking, front or rear? The rear seal isn't too big
a job to replace; just the front one is tough.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:52:35 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

Hey, hey, hey, what's with this?

Tom, I assure you, none of us has all the answers to every Olds question 
that comes up.  In fact, if I had to make a guess, I would say that 90% of 
us has some kind of Olds project in the works, and we're here to glean 
advice from the experiences of everyone else here.  Don't even think that 
your question is not worthy of asking.....take advantage of the experience 
here.....most of the rest of us have! :-)  Welcome.

>Hello All!
>
>I also am new to the list, sort of.  I've been subscribed for a few weeks, 
getting the feel of the list by reading the postings.  I joined the list 
because I , rather impulsively, bought a '68 Olds Cutlass Supreme.  I know 
the difference between a screwdriver and a socket wrench (unless it's late 
Friday or Saturday evening), but I'm not a TRUE CAR ENTHUSIAST. Thats why I 
joined the list, I like to work on my car, I have a limited budget, I can't 
afford to make too many mistakes and so on.  The overall tone of the list 
(with some exceptions) seems to be "hey dummy, why'd you do that!" or 
"that's was stupid, my way is better".  I feel I'm way under car educated to 
even post a question, I've been relying on the FAQ section, which is 
incredibly useful. If I can ever get my car to the point that I can brag 
about it, I'll join you all.  I like fishing to, so I know how to brag 
(exagerate)!!
>
>Anyway, I may still ask some questions, but I think I'll do it by private 
e-mails for now. 
>
>By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!
>
>Happy Motoring!
>
>Tom Starkey
>'68 Olds Cutlass Supreme (I even love saying it!)
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:56:33 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: woodgrain stickers

Hey, Have any of you used the dash stickers from any of the venders?  I guess
my real question is: Do they have the metal plate behind the sticker?  Or do
you have to reuse the plate?

Thanks in advance.

P.s.  I'm looking for the original radio bracket for 1970 cutlass

Doug H
1970 CS conv't

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:01:28 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Power Steering Gear Swap

     I read an article in the buick-gn faq about changing the steering gear
for a trans-am gear. I have an 81 olds csb, and the steering gear is
SHOT... It's had a tough life.... I would like the better ratio that this
gear has to offer. Has anyone had any experience with this conversion? I
need to know what year of transam box I need to get and to know if this
will work on my car..

Thanks,

T. H. Shires			81 Rckt 350

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 21:57:24 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

> My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
> times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
> my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
> (Almost any advice that is...)

Don't know about this one.  It seems odd that one would trade the
economy of the quadrajet for a two bubble.  I guess to each his own.  I
think that could be a rare item there.  I haven't seen ANY 72 2-bbl
supremes.  I don't know if they kept track of that kind of credit item,
but like I said, it's rare to be sure.  Almost like those radio and
heater deletes for other years.  Not a whole grunch of those were
ordered either.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:15:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

<< I , rather impulsively, bought a '68 Olds Cutlass Supreme. >>
I know how you feel.  These cars do that to you.

<<but I'm not a TRUE CAR ENTHUSIAST>>
Huh?  You sound like a car enthusiast to me!

<<By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours! >>
You had better be able to verify that.

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08) daily driver

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:33:42 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Power seats

Wayne,

Did you get the info on the power seats.  I sent it monday night
11-24-97.
I picked up e-mail tonight (Tues.) and didn't see it on the list.

Clay
69 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:41:57 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Engine paint

I have a 69 442 convertible.  I know the engine is painted Olds Bronze.
What is the correct color for the air cleaner, Alt. brackets, etc.?
Is there a book with this info.?
Has anybody come across a dual snorkel air cleaner in a non-Olds
car?  A friend of mine said he came across one in a Grand Prix early
model.

Clay 
69 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:43:43 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: My Ignorance

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
> 
>      Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

It's a model kit.  Seriously, it was a cool 4WD car from the 60's.  A 67
442.  It was a "promotional" drag car sponsored by Hurst with not one,
but TWO blown Olds 425's both linked up with Toro trannys. One for the
front wheels, and one for the rear!  It was a screamer!  I'm not sure on
this, but I think Bob Handren was telling us here on the list a while
back it ORIGINALLY was a 66, but they wrecked it, and it came back as a
67.  Anyway, although I've never seen it in person, it was way cool.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:45:37 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: My Ignorance

>      Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, in 68 and 69, they unofficially dubbed the
Hurst/Olds as "Hurst Hairy Oldses", after their 67 racecar namesake.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:54:55 -0500
From: "bemet" <bemet@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Unsubscribe

>

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