
oldsmobile-digest       Monday, October 27 1997       Volume 01 : Number 925



Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)
Lockup Torque Convertor
Re[2]: Water Pumps
Re: Racing parts
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)
UNBOUNCE: 
Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)
Re: Toro for Sale
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Re: Racing parts
Re: 1969 convertable schmatics
Re: New Carpet for D-88...
Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire
Collector gaskets
When was your W-30 built ?
Re: New Carpet for D-88
Re: Racing parts
Re: Cars for Sale
Re: Collector gaskets
F41
Re: When was your W-30 built ?
Re: F41
Re: Water Pumps
Re: belt power
Re: 7a vs 7A heads
Re: Code meanings????
Re: PAW 403
Re: PAW 403
Re: When was your W-30 built ?
Re: Racing parts
Re: 7a vs 7A heads
Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire
Votes Needed
Re: Racing parts
Interesting Olds F/S
cylinder heads
Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire
Re: Water Pumps
RE: Sad Story...
RE: Shift Kits
Re: F41
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Votes Needed
Re: New Carpet for D-88
Fiberglass Body Parts
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Votes Needed
Re: When was your W-30 built ?
Re: Gear ratios
RE: Votes Needed
Re: Votes Needed
What is this yellow paper I found?
Muscle Car Review
Engine Kits

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Date: 26 Oct 1997 23:51:48 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)

OL>Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:22:39 -0500
OL>From: Peter Teubel <pteubel@tiac.net>
OL>Subject: Re: PAW 403

OL>At 07:55 PM 10/26/97 PST, you wrote:
OL>{SNIPPED for bevity)
OL>>I was leaning towards a 455 for a while but the Bureau of
OL>>Automotive Repair told me it was illegal to replace my 350 with a 455
OL>>becuase the last year of the 455 was '76 and the engine would be older
OL>>than my car.  Plus, I would have to spend more money to upgrade my
OL>>driveline for the power of a 455 than I would for the 403.

OL>WHAT?!  Who says you can't have an engine older than your car?  Sounds like
OL>BS to me.  As long as it meets emission requirements of the *CAR* year, who
OL>cares what engine is in there.  My '82 98 had a diesel (ugh...) but it was
OL>swapped with a 403 (before I got it).  I'm lucky with the emission
OL>requirements 'cause in MA, any car OVER 15yrs old is *EXEMPT* from emission
OL>requirements/testing.

OL>I find this REALLY hard to believe.  What state is claiming THIS rule?

OL>- - Uncle Pete
OL>'51 98 (303)
OL>'82 98 (403)
OL>'84 Chebby C10 (w/403 next spring)
OL>'86 Ciera (Wifey's car)

California, or I should say Nazifornia.  Seems they want to get all cars
10 years and older off the road, because they "pollute too much".  I
read in a newspaper article written by the Bay Area Air Quality
Managment that '79 and older cars pollute 50-65 times more than newer
cars..  That must mean that my '78 Delta 88 that put out 26 hc's of
carbon monoxide at 2500 is a gross polluter, even though the limit was
220.  That means that new cars must suck up all that smog.

I could get away with a 455, and dual exhaust (another illegal item,
can't ADD or take off catalytic converters, can't add 2 when there was
only one, it might make the car run DIRTIER, or that is what the
politicians say.) if I register in an area where they don't somg every 2
years.
My father lives in an area where they do no smog vehicles every 2 years.
Might just buy a '78-81 cutlass wagon and do what I want with it if I cn
get away with registering it up there.

Even diesel conversions need catalytic converters and the whole emission
s system from a gas vehicle.  But yet diesel vehicles currently are
exempt from smog tests.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 02:35:07 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Lockup Torque Convertor

I have an '84 Cutlass Supreme with a V6. It has the THM-250 transmission.
It likes to lockup far too soon after it warms up.  I drive this car on a
mail route and it is getting to be a real pain when it does this.  Is there
an easy cure, or a way to disable the LTC altogether?  Thanks...

Just a message from Doug
http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 07:59:27 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Water Pumps

> GM Performance Parts lists an Aluminum HD water pump for an Olds.  I have no 
> experience with this part and I'm sure it's not cheap.
> 
Be careful, this may be a pump for the hybrid Olds big-block race 
motor.  It would tend to look like a ch*vy pump.
     
     Hard as it may be to believe, this really is a genuine "Type O" water 
     pump for the Olds motors we all know and love, not the DRCE.  GM 
     Performance Parts developed this gem back in the late 70s/early 80s 
     when several NASCAR teams (including A.J. Foyt) were actually toying 
     with running diesel-block Olds motors in Cutlass-bodied stock cars.  
     The piece is also shown in the Oldsmobile in Action book Vol 1 and is 
     listed under GM part number 22526206.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 07:15:41 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Racing parts

Steven Saraceno writes:
>Does anyone remember a place called Kenne/Bell Olds/Buick they made
>aftermarket parts for the 455s

Steve,

Kenne-Bell is still around but they sell some off brand... Rustangs, if 
memory serves correctly. Back in the old days, they sold parts from Dave 
Smith. They don't do that anymore, of course.

You can still reach those Smith folks for High Performance Olds goodies 
at:

Dave Smith Engineering
909-371-7040
Corona, CA

The catalog is 8 bucks...


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 07:15:43 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

G. Douglas Burton writes:
>I have an '84 Cutlass Supreme with a V6. It has the THM-250 transmission.
>It likes to lockup far too soon after it warms up.  I drive this car on a
>mail route and it is getting to be a real pain when it does this.  Is there
>an easy cure, or a way to disable the LTC altogether?  Thanks...

Does your 84' have Trans Valve (TV) cable? If you do, check the 
adjustment at the carb. You should have as much travel with the TV cable 
as you do with your throttle cable. If the TV cable is off, there is an 
adjuster near the trans to get it where it needs to be. Good Luck!


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:53:05 -0500
From: Peter Teubel <pteubel@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)

At 11:51 PM 10/26/97 PST, you wrote:
{Snipped for brevity}
>I could get away with a 455, and dual exhaust (another illegal item,
>can't ADD or take off catalytic converters, can't add 2 when there was
>only one, it might make the car run DIRTIER, or that is what the
>politicians say.) if I register in an area where they don't somg every 2
>years.
>My father lives in an area where they do no smog vehicles every 2 years.
>Might just buy a '78-81 cutlass wagon and do what I want with it if I cn
>get away with registering it up there.
>
>Even diesel conversions need catalytic converters and the whole emission
>s system from a gas vehicle.  But yet diesel vehicles currently are
>exempt from smog tests.


Wow!  That really bites.  I guess its time to do a massive diesel build-up
<g>.

- - Uncle Pete
'51 98 (303)
'82 98 (403)
'84 Chebby C10 (w/403 this spring)
'86 Ciera (Wifey's car)

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Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 17:21:53 -0500
From: "Jeff Easton" <easton@calcon.net>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>

>> Hate to make you revise the FAQ again, but I pulled a HEI from
>> a 1980 Delta 88 in Beloit last month that has a 5 pin HEI module.
>> The fifth wire exits the dist. on the opposite side from the usual
wires,
>> and this one still has the vacuum advance.  Indications are that the 5th
>> wire 
>> goes to a special knock sensor.  This sensor module instructs the
>> HEI module to retard timing if knock is detected.
>> This is a pre-computer attempt at timing control.

>I think the system you are referring to is known as ESS (Electronic Spark
>Selection).  Basically, the ESS decoder advances or retards the spark
>curve in response to the following inputs: engine vacuum, coolant
>temperature, crank signal.  A delayed spark is desirable during
>cranking to reduce the load on the starting system, especially on a hot
>engine.  The spark is advanced above the normal setting during cruise
>conditions, identified by a high manifold vacuum and greater than 1350 rpm
>(1200 for some) engine speed.  The spark isn't modified during other
>conditions.  The preceding is from a 1980 Cadillac service manual.

Oh great.  You're gonna make me drive all the way back to Beloit to look
under the hood of that '80 Delta for the elusive crank sensor... :-)
I thought we hashed this one out recently.  The '78 Toro 403 got the crank 
sensor, as a one year only deal.  Or did it show up in other model years
on Olds engines?

>Olds V8's didn't receive a knock sensor until '88.  Interesting info on
>the different HEI coils!  Are the 1980+ ones the best?

Here's the info from the book.  Doesnt really make sense to me.  Maybe 
someone with more experience in HEI's can confirm/deny...

The book, btw, is Electronic Ignitions by Ben Watson.  Available from
Motorbook International.

In the Appendix, in a table that runs for two pages, it lists the
following;

GM HEI (internal coil) 1974-1975  6k-30k ohms secondary 
GM HEI (internal coil) 1976-1979  Infinity
GM HEI (internal coil) 1980-      (see text)

In the text, is this reference;

"Testing the Coil

The resistance between the primary terminals of the coil should be
no more than 1.0 ohms.  The resistance between the secondary output
terminal and the primary should be between 6k and 30k ohms.  Integral
coils on applications later than 1975 should have infinte ohms between
the secondary and the primary.  However, 1980 and later applications
should be replaced if there is infinte ohms between both the 
primary and tach lead.  This is also true of applications later
than 1980 with an externally mounted coil."

My question is why measure for DC resistance between one lead of the
secondary and a lead of the primary anyway?  Shouldnt this always
be infinte?

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-speed

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:00:18 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)

> At 11:51 PM 10/26/97 PST, you wrote:
> {Snipped for brevity}
> >I could get away with a 455, and dual exhaust (another illegal item,
> >can't ADD or take off catalytic converters, can't add 2 when there was
> >only one, it might make the car run DIRTIER, or that is what the
> >politicians say.) if I register in an area where they don't somg every 2
> >years.

Summit makes racing converters to help keep things legal, there 40% 
more flow than factory if I remember correctly and they can be 
ordered for pipe size of your choice. check out www.summitracing.com 
to get a catalog if you wish.


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:07:36 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 

New subscriber... suggest replying directly to him if interested...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From:	"Brent Ardo" <cutlass67@hotmail.com>
Cc:	cutlass67@hotmail.com
Subject: SS1's for sale

set of 5 ss 1 for sale. decent, tires aren't very good though. 
$250. 

this is my new e-mail account so i i dont reply to your letter within 
2-days e-mail me at bman6771@aol.com

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:03:11 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Nazifornia (Was Re: PAW 403)

This sounds like a line of BS to me too, if that was the case, I am 
in trouble for having a 70 350 in my 77 Cutlass, and I think there is 
alot of other people out there with the same problem. What about used 
car dealerships, they put older/newer engines in later models all 
the time. (my dad used to be a mechanic at a GM Dealership)

> > OL>At 07:55 PM 10/26/97 PST, you wrote:
> OL>{SNIPPED for bevity)
> OL>>I was leaning towards a 455 for a while but the Bureau of
> OL>>Automotive Repair told me it was illegal to replace my 350 with a 455
> OL>>becuase the last year of the 455 was '76 and the engine would be older
> OL>>than my car.  Plus, I would have to spend more money to upgrade my
> OL>>driveline for the power of a 455 than I would for the 403.
> 
> OL>WHAT?!  Who says you can't have an engine older than your car?  Sounds like
> OL>BS to me.  As long as it meets emission requirements of the *CAR* year, who
> OL>cares what engine is in there.  My '82 98 had a diesel (ugh...) but it was
> OL>swapped with a 403 (before I got it).  I'm lucky with the emission
> OL>requirements 'cause in MA, any car OVER 15yrs old is *EXEMPT* from emission
> OL>requirements/testing.
> 
> OL>I find this REALLY hard to believe.  What state is claiming THIS rule?
> 
> OL>- - Uncle Pete
> OL>'51 98 (303)
> OL>'82 98 (403)
> OL>'84 Chebby C10 (w/403 next spring)
> OL>'86 Ciera (Wifey's car)
> 
> California, or I should say Nazifornia.  Seems they want to get all cars
> 10 years and older off the road, because they "pollute too much".  I
> read in a newspaper article written by the Bay Area Air Quality
> Managment that '79 and older cars pollute 50-65 times more than newer
> cars..  That must mean that my '78 Delta 88 that put out 26 hc's of
> carbon monoxide at 2500 is a gross polluter, even though the limit was
> 220.  That means that new cars must suck up all that smog.
> 
> I could get away with a 455, and dual exhaust (another illegal item,
> can't ADD or take off catalytic converters, can't add 2 when there was
> only one, it might make the car run DIRTIER, or that is what the
> politicians say.) if I register in an area where they don't somg every 2
> years.
> My father lives in an area where they do no smog vehicles every 2 years.
> Might just buy a '78-81 cutlass wagon and do what I want with it if I cn
> get away with registering it up there.
> 
> Even diesel conversions need catalytic converters and the whole emission
> s system from a gas vehicle.  But yet diesel vehicles currently are
> exempt from smog tests.
> 
> Mike Jones
> '78 Delta 88 2dr
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:10:48 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Toro for Sale

> I am selling a 66 Toro with 65,000 orig. miles.,
<snip>
>         drive any where, very dependable, $2,000.00
>         firm.(508)865-0652(Ma.) 
                ^^^

Ouch, it WOULD have to be in my area code...  I can see it now:

"Hey hon, look what followed me home!  Can I keep it?"

"Sure; I hope the heater works, though, 'cuz you're going to
be sleeping in it this winter..."

:)




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:16:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

the TV cable is also known as the KICK DOWN cable in the sotuindustries
atleast that what everybody calls it wehn they come to buy parts at the otu
store i work at

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 08:22:17 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Racing parts

Does anyone remember a place called Kenne/Bell Olds/Buick they made 
aftermarket parts for the 455s
     
     Sure.  What do you want to know?  I've currently got a ten year old 
     set of K-B headers on my 70 W-30.  They don't really clear the clutch 
     linkage very well, and the chrome (only style available) didn't last.  
     I haven't seen a K-B add recently.  Are they still in business?
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:43:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 convertable schmatics

 John,

GM actually produced a manual on the convertible mechanism.  I have one out
in the barn.  I suspect what you want is there.  Mine covers several years
from about 1965-1972.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hi,
> I have been looking for the electrical schematic for convertable tops.
>I have looked in the chasis service manual and the body manual.
>Does anyone know where to look?
>
> thanks
>
> ` John
>

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 07:48:45 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: New Carpet for D-88...

 ACC is the company here in AL.  They will sell you the same thing as J.C
Whitney, but will cost considerably more.  Ask the vendor where the product
comes from.  I'll bet they tell you Anniston, AL (ACC).

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Dave, I haven't seen it, but the ol' reliable JC Whitney catalog offers
>at least 2 choices for carpet. One appears to be a "custom cut and sewn"
>type which is a little cheaper, while the other is a heat-molded kind
>that contours to the floor. I think this one is made by ACC and should be
>a good carpet. I'm less sure about the sewn kind. The prices are not too
>far apart. I think the sewn kind was about $109 US, the molded kind $129
>(I don't have the catalog handy). They have umpteen colors so bright red
>shouldn't be a problem. They also offer "firethorn", which I think is an
>orangey-red.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 08:10:27 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire

 Bruce,

I have a '62 JetFire & a couple of parts.  I may know where others are too.
I'll get you a couple of addresses if you want.  What do you need?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Anyone know where I can find good used or NOS parts for a '62 Cutlass
>and/or a '62 Jetfire?  I have one of each.  Any info would be
>appreciated.
>
>Bruce
>

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:21:06 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Collector gaskets

When I installed the headers on my 4-4-2 this spring, I used a set of
Uni-Seal ($29.95 from Jegs) gaskets on the collectors.  These are
nothing more than a pair of 2.5 inch i.d. exhaust manifold donuts and a
pair of 3 i.d. inch slip ring flanges that are used on headers.  The
donuts fit inside the rings and then are placed between the header
flange and the muffler reducer.  This takes the place of the
conventional flat gaskets that are normally used.  I wish to report that
I have been less than pleased with the results.  I have lost 2 donuts
somewhere inside the drivers side exhaust pipe.  I have had no trouble
with the passenger side.  This is probably due to manufacturing
variances of the collectors and reducers and not the Uni-Seal parts.  I
went to NAPA and found replacement donuts (about $5.00 a pair) BTW.  I
have now purchased 2 pair of the flat collector gaskets and sandwiched
the slip rings from the Uni-Seals between them, while leaving the donuts
out.  2 donuts in one muffler are enough thank you.  I am hoping that
this will provide a better contact area and prevent them from blowing
out.

Bottom line is, Uni-Seals are way over priced for what you get.  You can
get the donuts from your local parts house and salvage a set of slip
rings from some old headers or reducers.  How well they work is
questionable.  The one that was left did not look too good for re-use
when I opened the headers at the strip.  I will let everyone know how my
"sandwich" has worked next spring when I open them for racing.

Dave (exhausted) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:31:57 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: When was your W-30 built ?

I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members'
'70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ?

My build date code is 2 D (fourth week of February, 1970)

Thanks,

Brad Otto
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop
'69 442 Convertible, 4 speed

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:34:34 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: New Carpet for D-88

DO NOT buy carpet from J.C. Whitney unless they can provide proof of its
origin.  I know a guy who ordered a "moulded" set from them for his
truck.  It was fairly stiff as moulded carpet should be, but it was not
moulded to fit anything we had ever seen, in fact it was darn near flat.
After many years doing upholstery and installing carpet sets I would
recommend Auto Custom Carpet and no one else.  They fit right every time
and are quality.  I ordered a carpet through my regular upholstery
supplier once and was very dissapointed.  It was not an ACC carpet and
it showed.  The price was the same.  After 14 years of installing ACC
carpets I have never been dissapointed.  Remember, you get what you pay
for!

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:04:24 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Racing parts

padavano.joe wrote:

>      I haven't seen a K-B add recently.  Are they still in business?

As of a few years ago they were...maybe not in the Olds business, but HEAVY
in the Mustang business.  I saw their ads very often when we were suping up
my dad's 92 Mustang.  It seems like they didn't make "real" parts, just
pulley systems and ram air systems.  I haven't seen them around REAL
recently...the last I saw of them was probably a year ago.  I searched
under Lycos Pro (http://lycospro.lycos.com) for "kenne bell" and there
seems to be a lot of pages out there about it.  I'm sure you could find a
number if you really tried.

Note: if you do search under the Lycos Pro engine, notice all the Mustang
entries :-)
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:04:51 -0500 (EST)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cars for Sale

Both 749 and 572 are local to me.  Can I help?

gpmtrader@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:25:06 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Collector gaskets

Agreed, I had a pair on my Hookers.  One removal of the pipes and these gaskets
fall apart. I replaced them with premium gaskets from Mr. Gasket, I think they
had graphite or something in them.   I use these with Copper Ultra seal and
have not had problems.  They are far less costly and seem to be durable and
work well through multiple install/deinstalls.

>Bottom line is, Uni-Seals are way over priced for what you get.  You can
>.get the donuts from your local parts house and salvage a set of slip
>rings from some old headers or reducers.  How well they work is
>questionable.  The one that was left did not look too good for re-use
>when I opened the headers at the strip.  I will let everyone know how my
>"sandwich" has worked next spring when I open them for racing.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:37:02 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: F41

     The F41 option in the 80s era cars also included a high effort
steering box in addition to the sway bars, springs and shocks. My 86
is not an F41 car. I have added the front and rear bars...what a
difference!. I do have the steering box from the donor car but haven't
found enough "round tuits" to make the swap yet!!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:59:19 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: When was your W-30 built ?

>I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members'
>'70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ?
>
Mine was built in the 2nd week of October 1969.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:07:58 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: F41

John Pajak wrote:
> 
>      The F41 option in the 80s era cars also included a high effort
> steering box in addition to the sway bars, springs and shocks. My 86
> is not an F41 car. I have added the front and rear bars...what a
> difference!. I do have the steering box from the donor car but haven't
> found enough "round tuits" to make the swap yet!!

So, was the steering box in an F41 car a quicker ratio, or just higher
effort?  My Calais does have the F41 package and the steering is pretty
quick, especially after the PST bushings and the Moog idler arm.  I have a
tendency to oversteer the car now (not throwing the car into "oversteer",
just turning the thing too much for the corner).  If the box is a quick
ratio box, does anybody know if it is the same ratio as the G-Body H/O's
and 442's, and/or does anybody know what the ratio is?  Thanks!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:29:12 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Water Pumps

>Also, it would be wise to ensure you got the one correct for your car. 
>Air or no-air makes a difference, as well as application (Toro, Cutlass,
>etc.)  I say this because they come in different lengths, and also, keep

Just a note; the problem may be in the pulley alignment, but it appears
that teh water pumps on the engines I've worked with, Toro and non-Toro,
small and big-block, have the same-size outlets in the same positions at
the same angles. All of my cars have been A/C cars, so maybe there's an
almost universal interchangeability among them?

Another note: the core 403 I bought for rebuilding came from a T/A, and it
had on it an aluminum water pump with some oriental name on it. Being an
unknown quantity, I didn't try it, but I might polish it up and have it
rebuild some day.

>I thought Joe Mondello had some of these if you'd give him your
>first-born.  And maybe Dick Miller may have something too.  Heck, GM
>would be the place I'd go first.  Sure, the pumps are a little pricey,
>but they'd be new GM ones.

The real trick pieces come from the GMC motorhome world; there's reportedly
an aftermarket unit that works with stock pulleys and hoses, but has an
impeller twice the size of the stock unit, for some real water volume movement!
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:31:40 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: belt power

>As a quarter miler racer myself, A/C belts draws 10 to 15 hp.  This was
>experiment
>on my engine when I was doing dyno testing.  The friction of the belt on the
>pullys
>and the turning of the freewheeling pully (When A/C is tuned off) robbed that
>much 
 [snip]
>72 442 W-30
>12.183@109.986 in the quarter

OK, that's the kind of testimony I was looking for. It didn't seem that the
friction from the belts alone would be that much, but common-sense is not
always infallible.
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:43:08 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 7a vs 7A heads

>> I'd like to see the lower case "a" used only for the earlier heads like
the '72
>> 7a & Ga heads, to signify the tiny [though in real life, upper case] "A"
that
>> they used. That way, we can easily differentiate in this text medium
between
>> the later heads, where the "A" is as large as the 7 and immediately
adjacent 
[snip]
>Agreed.  I looked at my heads yesterday and they said "5A" so the newer
>ones are capital and the older ones aren't.  Good point, well taken.

Wait! The older ones ARE capital "A"'s; it's just that they are smaller
than, and not immediately adjacent to, the casting number or letter. Thus,
ignoring size, the corner of the "7A" heads would look like:

 |
 | 7A
 |
 |_______


While the "7a" heads would look like:


 |
 | 7
 |    A    <- Note: letter appears larger than it actually is!
 |_______

This is the only place this distinction applies, since there were no
big-block heads with the "A" following the letter in full-size (ignore
those "CA" heads, where both letter castings are apparently smaller; what
application were those for, anyway? Were they hardened seat?), and only the
"7" small-block heads received the smaller "A" to designate hardened
exhaust seats, so it's only the "7A" and "7a" heads that can be confused.
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:53:22 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Code meanings????

>I also seen a couple 442's today will one the way to the store.  A local car
>lot has a white 67 442 it says 400 cu in auto on the window.  It has baby
>moon wheels.  I dont know any thing else about it.  Also a 68 442 setting in
>tall grass beside a small tranny shop. Faded grey with red stripe. I dont
>know any thig else about this car either.  I just thought it was strange to
>see two setting.  I dont see many at all here. Its mainly F*rd and Ch*vy.

That '68 would make a nice addition to your '86, don't you think? :)

>I went to the drag strip today to watch A Factory shot out.  GM VS Ford/Merc
>VS Mopar.  And not a single Olds made a showing. It was all Ch*vyexcept for
>2 firebirds and on Bui*k.  I dont know were all the Olds are.  I hope some
>show up in the local area soon.   

Wow, we ought to start an Olds caravan, to travel around to tracks and
present a show of force any time one of these shootouts occurs. Even
regionally, that would be an attention getter. OK, who's in for membership
in the Old-time Olds Travelling Racing Band? Think of it: Just do the same
thing as now, but with the same Decals and T-shirts!

BTW, there's another council meeting this Wednesday in Richmond, RI,
regarding the 1/4 mi. track that developers are hoping to get a zoning
variance for. If all goes well, there could be some legal RI racing in the
near future!

>I go to the parts house and ask questions
>about Olds and they always saw that there are not enough performance parts
>to make it worth messing with. Then tell me to put a small block Ch*vy in
>it.  I always tell them no thanks.  I like the old rockets the way there
>made Olds all the way.  Then I leave.

That is, there's not enough performance parts that *they* sell or even know
about. You can make a street Olds as fast as just about any street Chevy.

>Also one other question.  I have noticed the last few times that I have
>gotten on the Cutlass hard that when the tires break loss it has been
>kicking to the right while it is spinning.  Before it always spun in a
>straight line and only one tire .  Though it did shift for left one time to
>right the next time.
>Could there be something wearing out it the rear end or what?  It is just
>not normal for my car.  It does get attention when it does it. Why would it
>start this all the sudden?

Sounds like you've got a posi unit in the rear end, but that usually
carries the "G80" option code. Maybe your rear bushings are getting worn?
As long as only one tire is spinning, the car tends not to move laterally.
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:07:44 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: PAW 403

>Subject: Re: PAW 403
>WHAT?!  Who says you can't have an engine older than your car?  Sounds like
 [snip]
>I find this REALLY hard to believe.  What state is claiming THIS rule?

California, at the very least. As well as other states who follow its lead.
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:04:51 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: PAW 403

>            Has anybody had experience with PAW's engine block kits?  I
>have looked at the prices of these kits and what they include and they
>sound like a good bargain for how much work the PAW machine shop puts
>into them.  A short block 403 with forged pistions costs $1360 from PAW.

For a fully-machined block with bearings, new rod bolts, rings and pistons
already hung on the rods? (I'm assuming you need to assemble these...)
That's a very good price; those will be the TRW pistons that all the kits
have. Just for comparison, a rebuild kit with those pistons costs around
$600 by itself. Now, if you could just get them to ship you a solid-main
web block... :)

> I would get the short block, then find a set of 5, 6, or 7 heads, drill
>them for AIR injection, and use this as a street motor in my '78 Delta
>88.

That would be an excellent idea. Another reason to go for the '72 "7a"
heads, in addition to the hardened valve seats, is the larger exhaust
valves (1.62", vs. the earlier 1.5" valves). 

Did the '78 Olds motors have the AIR bosses drilled? I thought only the
early cars used the smog-pumps. Oh, well; live, learn.

>  I was leaning towards a 455 for a while but the Bureau of
>Automotive Repair told me it was illegal to replace my 350 with a 455
>becuase the last year of the 455 was '76 and the engine would be older
>than my car.  Plus, I would have to spend more money to upgrade my
>driveline for the power of a 455 than I would for the 403.

Since I didn't know where I was going to be living, I rebuilt a 403 instead
of a 455. Next time I do this, though, I'd go for the 455, since the rules
in RI are much more lenient, and the 403 still doesn't match the torque of
the 455. Contrary to popular opinion, the 403 is a great high-winding
street motor (as long as you keep it under 6000rpm, you're fine), so you
have to build your car to match. Which is why 3.23 gears are the very next
thing on my list. A higher-stall converter will help in the meantime,
though (I'm happy with the 2400rpm unit I've got).

>PS: If my mom's '90 307 in her custom cruiser craps out, the 350 would
probably
>replace it.

Of course, that would be against the emissions laws as well, but you could
make that swap impossible to discover (who could find the codes under all
those hoses and wires?


>
>
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 11:50:54 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: When was your W-30 built ?

I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members' 
'70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ?
     
     10B - Oct 69, second week
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:25:45 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Racing parts

Kenne Bell doesn't sell Olds parts anymore.  They moved on to specializing
in Buick 3.8 Turbo stuff, and now they're cutting back on that to sell more
Rustang parts and starting to develop some stuff for the new Supercharged
3.8.  I have one of their catalogs that's about 2 years old.  Never ordered
anything from them and I'm glad I haven't, everyone I've talked to that has
hasn't said anything good.

Steven Saraceno wrote:

> Sorry if this has been out but I have not seen it posted and this is the
> fourth time I'm sending it.
>
> Does anyone remember a place called Kenne/Bell Olds/Buick they made
> aftermarket parts for the 455s
>
> Steven
> 70 442 conv

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Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:37:19 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 7a vs 7A heads

Robert Barry wrote:

> Wait! The older ones ARE capital "A"'s; it's just that they are smaller
> than, and not immediately adjacent to, the casting number or letter.

Yes, I was just referring to the fact the the older ones had the letter
smaller and down and away, where as the small block heads had the "A" the
same size as the number and placed next to it.  My apologies for the
confusion.  Man, this IS confusing!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:16:12 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire

>Anyone know where I can find good used or NOS parts for a '62 Cutlass
>and/or a '62 Jetfire?  I have one of each.  Any info would be
>appreciated.  

I know that Fusick's has some parts for these cars; see the Olds web page
for contact information.
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 23:41:37 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Votes Needed

My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this
on-line car show and again I need your help.
for those who voted in the weekly contest, you can vote agaon for the
Monthly.
A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far. With only a couple of days
of voting left, I need to catch up fast.
http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/
Thanks in Advance.


Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:14:44 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Racing parts

>Sorry if this has been out but I have not seen it posted and this is the
>fourth time I'm sending it.

I think I saw this message once before; couldn't look up the address at
home, though.

>Does anyone remember a place called Kenne/Bell Olds/Buick they made
>aftermarket parts for the 455s

Yes, but these days I believe that they've turned to focus exclusively on
the Buick market (I don't know if they might have any old Olds stuff lying
around). The address from the Turbo Regal page reads:

 Kenne Bell Performance 
 10743 Bell Court, Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
 1 (909) 941 0985 Tech line
 1 (909) 941 6646 Order only line
 1 (909) 944 4883 FAX
 V8 and V6 performance products, PROMS

Let us know what you find out! You can't have too many suppliers!
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Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:39:14 -0500
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Interesting Olds F/S

Interesting Olds For Sale in Greater Cleveland Area

Ads are from Sunday 10/26 newspaper and are verbatum, usual disclaimers
apply:

1965 Cutlass convertible, buckets, factory tach, solid, ready to restore
$1400    440-572-8217

1970 Delta 88 455 $650 216-749-6796

1971 Cutlass S, black/black, 350/400TH, new carb, interior, stereo, 
$900 OBO 440-888-1527

1937 4 dr. sedan street rod project, Dana 60, 410 posi, tilt wheel, new
chrome, excellent body $3000 216-992-7981 

must be grandad's Olds!



Paul L. Fikaris
1969 Delta 88 Conv 455
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:18:54 +0000
From: ADRIAN CARROLL <adrian.carroll@virgin.net>
Subject: cylinder heads

i live in england and am looking for the following,if anyone can help 
please contact me.does anybody know a cheap method of carrage?. 
oldsmobile c heads.
olds no 7 heads or w31 heads .

1932 model b ford olds 455
ac cobra          olds 350
many thanks adrian.

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:57:28 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: '62 Cutlass and '62 Jetfire

>-----Original Message-----
>From: bruce murdock <chaim@webtv.net>


>Anyone know where I can find good used or NOS parts for a '62 Cutlass
>and/or a '62 Jetfire?  I have one of each.  Any info would be
>appreciated.

>Bruce

Don Johansen
2040 Tremont ave.
Davenport Ia.  52803-3145

He used to work for a Olds Dealer(now closed) here in Davenport (I think his
dad did to) in the parts department. He was smart enough that over his years
working there he would buy up parts when GM discontinued them so he has a
stock pile of GM nos parts. I would have posted this before but I lost his
address but I bought a Cars & Parts mag yesterday and he had an ad in it.
All he ask is that you send a SASE for each year and model that you want a
parts list for. His list do cover more than one year. So if you have a '70
and '72 Cutlass one list would cover those years but if you have a '64 and a
'71 then obviously you'll need two list (2 SASE's) use a little common
sense. Everything he has is GM nos parts expect to pay $$ for them. I don't
think he's over priced, nos parts in general are. I don't think he has big
parts (body,engines...) but he does have just about every thing else. I
would be willing to inspect any parts before you buy something from him and
no I don't personally know him and I have nothing to gain if you buy
something from him.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:00:00 -0600
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Water Pumps

I would heartedly recommend a new pump over old. Maybe $50 versus $25,
but I've had bad luck with rebuilts lately. The current rebuilt started
making noises after nine months, almost five years ago, so I've got a
new one waiting to go into service.

Dave Smith has the aluminum pump for $75, as Mondello had at the same
price from about three years ago. When I called GM Perf Parts two or
more years ago, their aluminum Olds pump was in the $200 range.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:52:13 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Sad Story...

Yes, I made it to work in one piece, although I didn't drive the OLDS.
Watch those OLDS out there, it's slippery.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Dave Ward[SMTP:ward@ptbo.igs.net]
> Sent: 	Sunday, October 26, 1997 11:21 PM
> To: 	Oldsmobile List
> Subject: 	Sad Story...
> 
> Well, the '78 Delta no longer has cooling problems....but it needs a
> new
> hood ornament!  Right now Southern Ontario is being dumped with four
> inches of snow (!), and I just returned from a friend's place.  But on
> the way home, the Delta's nose decided to pucker up with a mailbox!
> 
> I almost had the car stopped (2mph), when her nose slid *under* a
> mailbox!  It didn't touch the paint (because the box was so high), but
> it clipped off the hood ornament!  Can you believe it?!?  I guess I'll
> be heading out to the local junque yarde tomorrow for a hood ornament,
> and maybe a starter (it grinds after the engine catches).
> 
> Just wanted to share that with you!!  I think I'll pick up a pair of
> el
> cheapo snow tires too....those new all-seasons just don't cut it!
> 
> S. Dave Ward
> 

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:56:02 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Shift Kits

If your tires squeal off the line right now even though they are bald
then they should still chirp when shifted at 4500 rpm.  The best way to
check is to remove the tranny pan. Messy but the best way.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Tim Rudolph[SMTP:trudolph@frii.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 23, 1997 5:08 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	RE: Shift Kits
> 
> At 05:53 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Assuming you have a TH350 tranny. You have to look for extra plates
> >between the valve body and the base. If you take the valve body off
> and
> >remove the plates, usually the #2 check ball has been removed for
> >stronger shifts. 
> >
> >You should be able to check by driving the car a little harder.
> Waiting
> >until 4500 rpm before shifting into 2nd gear. If you get a heavy
> shift
> >with the tires chirping then most likely you have a shift kit.
> >
> >Fernando Proietto
> >Systems Analyst - Informatics
> 
> Its a TH-400 and at WOT it shifts at around 4500 like you say but I
> can't
> honestly tell you if the tires would chirp.  They don't make any
> noise, but
> I can't get 'em to make any noise by doing anything since they're so
> worn..
> I think they do slip a bit, but I don't know if that's caused by the
> tires
> having next to 0 traction or because of the installation of a shift
> kit..
> I suppose I could just buy one and figure it out later.  Not that much
> of
> an expense..  Thanks for the info though.
> 
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible
> 

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:09:52 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: F41

- ---Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu> wrote:
So, was the steering box in an F41 car a quicker ratio, or just higher
effort?  

!!!!!!!
     I think they are both the same ratio. My mom has an 86 Supreme
with factory F41........next time I'm over there I can check her cars'
turns lock to lock compared to mine for a highly unscientific test.

     Speaking of steering boxes......Does anyone know for sure if a
later steering box can be swapped into a 65 Delta 88? Quicker steering
is the result desired. I have a box from a 71-76 88/98 and wanted to
try it! I know I'd have to use the steering arm from the 65 box and
install it on the replacement box. 

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:39:45 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <ham@fan.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this
>Mike you got my vote.....Larry Polesnak
> 
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 10:44:20 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this
> on-line car show and again I need your help.
> for those who voted in the weekly contest, you can vote agaon for the
> Monthly.
> A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far. With only a couple of days
> of voting left, I need to catch up fast.
> http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/
> Thanks in Advance.

Well you definitely got my vote!  Man am I jealous!  I sure wish I 
had a beauty like that!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:10:12 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> > http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/

> Well you definitely got my vote!  Man am I jealous!  I sure wish I
> had a beauty like that!

Same here.  You got mine!  Just cruising by the rules sheet and it says
that if anyone votes twice from the same address, the car for which he or
she voted would get disqualified!  No one try anything funny...unless you
can conjure up 5 or 6 addresses.  I outta go around to all the terminals on
campus here and just start voting!!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:37:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

you gots my vote man

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:51:59 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: New Carpet for D-88

As I posted before, Year One sells ACC carpets, at $90, cheaper than what ACC
sells them for.

>After 14 years of installing ACC
>carpets I have never been dissapointed.  Remember, you get what you pay
>for!

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:00:32 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Fiberglass Body Parts

Does anyone know of a good source for fiberglasss repro parts?

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:14:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

He already got my vote

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:19:04 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

At 11:41 PM 10/26/97 -0500, you wrote:

>My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this

>on-line car show and again I need your help.

>for those who voted in the weekly contest, you can vote agaon for the

>Monthly.

>A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far. With only a couple of days

>of voting left, I need to catch up fast.

>http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/

>Thanks in Advance.

>


hey i put my vote in too... hope U win!


Jeff

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentlemen  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:17:29 -0500
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: When was your W-30 built ?

g: 7bit


I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members' 
'70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ?
     
    11B 1969 - Second week November
   
    Mike Blankenship
    1966 442 
    1970 442
    1970 442 W30
    1971 442 convt
    

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:46:39 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Gear ratios

Yes, I'd echo what others have said about these ratios.  Think carefully about
how you use your car.  I have 3.23 on my 442, with 15 inch wheels and for
highway cruising I'd rather have an overdrive or something like a 3.03.  Thats
because I like to cruise around 70 to 75 and that yields around 3000RPM, which
is a little aggressive for me.  Not that the engine can't run 3000RPM all day
long, it did as a matter of fact on trips this summer to Lansing and Norwalk,
but it is not the sweet spot for the 455, not its most efficient RPM, which I
suspect is somewhere around 2500.  Having said all that, I don't spend much
time on the highway, so for me the 3.23 is a good compromise,giving good around
town response and acceptable highway mileage (about 16MPG).  By the way, I am
replacing my close ratio 4 speed with a wide ratio 4 sp.  The wide ratio has
lower 1st - 3rd ratios, the same 4th.  I'm told this is a much better match for
my 3.23 rear.  Trying to find the right clutch fork and then we'll see how much
better this combo works.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:14:10 -0600
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Votes Needed

	I just voted twice for the Rustang under the same name.  That
should help you out.  Just kiddin.

>   Just cruising by the rules sheet and it says
> that if anyone votes twice from the same address, the car for which he
> or
> she voted would get disqualified!  No one try anything funny...unless
> you
> can conjure up 5 or 6 addresses.  

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:41:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

vote for what?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:44:46 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: What is this yellow paper I found?

It was found in my car's interior. It's about 8x4 and has been torn off
a sheet above it and below it. This is what it has on it.

                                            V        TRIM           
EXTER. PAINT       P  TYPE
BROADCAST        STYLE    PLT.      BODY    7    spcl     TRIM   
LWR     TOP    AC'T.  P 
seq   mo   day           OPT 16    NUMBER   8            
COMB.           UPR.               
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
184   02   10    3AJ57    A01      410960                 957     
19      A            2

 1    2    3    4    5    6    7    8    9   10   11
- ----------------------------------------------------
A65                 C60

COPO-F & SO
- --------------------
 12   13    14   15
U58  B30


Along the left side, it says "1ST CARD" and "2ND 3RD 4TH 5TH"

I assume it's some sort of interior build sheet. I recognize some of the
numbers. Could you help me fill some in?:

BROADCAST:
184: ???????
02: Feb
10: 10th

STYLE:
3AJ57: Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Colonnade Hardtoop Coupe

PLT. OPT. 16:
A01: ????????

BODY NUMBER:
410960: same as on my VIN plate

TRIM COMB.:
957: Vinyl bench seat, white interior

EXTER. PAINT:
LWR:19: Ebony Black
TOP UPR.: A: White Vinyl roof

PP
2: ??????????
- ---
1:
A65: Sport Bench Front Seat

5:
C60: ???????

COPO-F & SO
12:
U58: ?????????

13:
B30: ?????????

Thanx!
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 16:29:56 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Muscle Car Review

     Just got the Dec/Jan MCR, which contains an article about a 
     "None-of-a-Kind" (their words) 66 W-30 convertible.  This "phantom" 
     car was built by Ed Malavarca from Boonton Township, NJ, and looks 
     MAH-VAH-LOUS.  It has a correct, metal air cleaner shroud, SSIs, and a 
     four speed, and looks absolutely factory.  The article claims that the 
     car took first place trophies at both 95 and 96 OCA Nationals.  Left 
     unsaid, however, is where he mounted the battery, as the factory 
     trunk-mount location would have interfered with top stowage (hence the 
     reason for no factory W-30s that year).  Yes, the top in this car does 
     go down (in fact, there are no pictures with the top _up_!).
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:24:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Engine Kits

Does anyone know of a place that sells engine overhaul kits for Olds at a
reasonable price? I just got a price of $326 for everything except the cam
and lifters. This kit includes timing set, pistons & rings, rod/main/cam
bearings, oil pump, frost plugs and gskt set.
This is not to bad of price I guess, and its all name brand stuff. But what
gets me is they sell this same kit plus the cam and lifters for a Chevy 350
at a price of $154.95. I know that there are more 350 Chevy's out here then
anything else,but still give me a break. Thats more than twice as much for
an Olds motor.
If your not aware of it already "Northern Auto Parts Warehouse" has a web
address. Its at www.naparts.com. Any ideas would be appreciated

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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