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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 14 1997      Volume 01 : Number 904



Re: Owners Manual
Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show
Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac
Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's
in need of some parts for a '69 4 4 2
Re: Who lives near Maricopa, Arizona?
Re: Factory experimental engines and parts
Re: speaker ohm question?
Re: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac
Catalogs...
Pontiac parts available for swap
Book
A story I heard
69 442 paint scheme
Re: Convertible rear interior panels [was Re: 1970 SX engine  information]
Re: hardtop convertible
Re: A story I heard
Re: coolant overflow
distributors
Re: Book
330 intake
Re: TH700-R4
Re: distributors
Re: distributors
Re: distributors
Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)
Re: Illinois Plate
RE: '67 Cutlass suspension/performance mods
Re: The list people and their cars
Roland's site
'56 Hubcaps
test - don't bother to read
Re: question about rear end gearing
Re: distributors
Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 330 intake
Re: TH700-R4
Re: '56 Hubcaps
Re: A story I heard
Re: hardtop convertible
Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake
Re: question about rear end gearing
Re: distributors
Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)
Re: Sway Bars
Re: Concerning 350's and 455's
Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake
Timing Chain
Re: question about rear end gearing
Re: question about rear end gearing
Re: Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)
Re: A story I heard
Need help with Thermac air cleaner!!
Re: question about rear end gearing
Re: Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)
Re: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show
Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show
Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's
Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake
Re: speaker ohm question?
Re: A story I heard

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:30:14 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: Owners Manual

Alan,
   I would appreciate the name and address to order an owners manual for
my '67's.
      Thanks

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue,Modified)  "67 4-4-2 convert(being
restored)

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 21:09:21 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show

Dirty W Thirty??? Was this the yellow W-30 parked third from RT7 on the
performance row?

Ray

     Yupper.  I _did_ wash it before the show!  :-)

     Maybe "Rusty" would be a better title (but nowhere near as poetic).
     Unfortunately, even though I've accumulated a pile of parts (N.O.S.
     fenders, complete W-30 engine, upholstery kit, headliner, etc), the
     frequent traveling required by my job has put a crimp in plans to
     restore it right now.  I'm hoping for a respite from the travel
     starting next spring.  For now, the car's a daily driver.

     As far as the show is concerned, I certainly had a great time.  Got to
     meet Drew Senko, Brad Nicholson, Tom Simmons, and Kurt H. from the
     list.  Of the bunch, I think Drew looks most like what I pictured he
     would (and no, even I don't know how you should take that, Drew).  :-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 22:40:39 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's

I think I'll forward your email to Dale Earnhardt, Terry Labonte
and all the other NASCAR folk who race, what??? 355's.  Maybe Ken
Schrader would have won yesterday if he'd just had a REAL engine!

     I don't suppose that their displacement selection would have anything
     to do with the maximum allowed by NASCAR, would it?  Didn't think so.

     I guess that's why back in the 60s and 70s, when the NASCAR
     displacement limit was 7 liters, everyone ran 426s and 427s.  And I'm
     sure that every single NASCAR engine builder (and NHRA, and IRL, and
     CART, and SCCA, and...) uses every last thousandth of an inch of bore
     and stroke allowed by the rules (and then some).

     If you haven't guessed, my racing of choice is Pro Stock, where the
     displacement limit is 500 cu in.  :-)

The 350 in many ways, is a better choice than a 455.  The added
weight of the 455 makes it a non-choice for a good handling "
all-around" performance car.

     60 extra pounds (590 lbs for a 350 vs 650 lbs for a 455)?  That's less
     than 2% of the empty weight of the car.  In terms of polar moment of
     inertia, you'd get an even greater improvement by moving the battery
     from it's behind-the-headlights position to the 66 W-30's
     over-the-rear-axle position.  Toss in an aluminum intake (which is
     probably the second greatest contributor to the weight difference
     between the two motors, behind the block) and headers instead of the
     heavy cast iron exhaust manifolds, and the difference is negligible.

     (Side note on intake weight.  Yes, I know you would also use an
     aluminum intake on the small block.  The cast iron BBO intake weighs
     what, 70 lbs?  Assume the SBO piece weighs 50, for a difference of 20
     lbs.  Aluminum has about 1/3 the density of cast iron, so the weights
     would be 23 lbs and 17 lbs, respectively, for a difference of 6 (This
     assumes you've just cast the existing manifold design in aluminum,
     which is about what the factory did anyway with the W-manifolds).  Now
     the 60 lb difference between big and small block has been reduced by
     14 lbs.  And yes, I've only estimated the cast iron intake weight, so
     these numbers may be way off base.  I'm guessing the effect of adding
     headers is similar, however, as the SB exhausts are smaller and
     therefore lighter than the BB units.  That 60 lb difference could be
     easily cut in half with the careful selection of parts.)

     Besides, I thought the 442 (big block and all) _was_ a "good handling
     'all-around' performance car".

  If you are looking at going straight and all-out power, and that
low rumbling sound that you can only get from a 455, then it is a
good choice.

     So far, so good.

If you want a good performing street car that handles well in the
turns, get's better gas mileage and is more efficient, then the
350 is a good choice.

     While the W-31s were certainly respectable cars, I doubt the gas
     milage will be much better when that old "when driven the same" is
     factored in.

I spent a couple of years racing stock cars on a 1/2 mile paved
oval here in California...They said you just couldn't turn a car
with the added weight in the front of the car and the slight
power increase didn't make much difference in the straight
aways...

     OK, but I thought we were talking about all-around street performance.
     I'll be the last person to argue that under very narrow conditions the
     requirements will dictate a specific solution, especially when we're
     talking about a racing engine which operates in a very narrow RPM
     band.  In the real world of street driving, where engine flexibility
     is extremely important, I'll take the torque curve that stays above
     400 ft-lbs from idle to 5000 rpm (which is the case for the factory
     ratings on just about any 455 built before 71) in a heartbeat.  Show
     me any stock Olds small block that can claim this, and I'll be
     converted.

     Let's take this further.  I'd argue that for the same level of
     modification (carb, intake, exhaust, cam, supercharger, nitrous, head
     work, whatever), the big block will outperform the small block _when
     installed in the same car_.  I'd also argue that for the same amount
     of money spent, the BBO will still outperform the SBO when installed
     in the same car.  And when I say "outperform", I mean both straight
     line acceleration (0-60 and 50-70) and cornering ability as measured
     on a road course, not a skid pad or slalom.  I'm talking about
     performance measurements which are indications of real world
     performance.  If I were building a Pro Solo car, for example, my
     choices might be different.

Just some personal experience

and I'm biased a bit since I am building my 350 up in my
'70 Cutlass Convertible!

     And please keep in mind that the intent of my original "real engine"
     statement was a good-natured jab at my own biases.  This is not to
     take anything away from a well-built small block, as I can certainly
     appreciate the work that goes into such a package.  Don't tell anyone,
     but one of my favorite engines is the B-O-P aluminum 215 (Oh, NUTS.
     Now I've gone and done it...).  I can even appreciate the work it
     takes to get a Buick GN into the 10s (but just think what the same
     level of modifications would do to a 455 ;-).  And the Quad 4 was a
     great corporate learning experience for the Aurora V-8...

     (Ow!  Ow!  It's a JOKE!  Really!  You can stop now!  I actually owned
     an 85 Calais 500 Pace Car replica with the Iron Duke 4 cyl...'course,
     that car was a _stone_!  OW!  OW!!  OK..OK..I give up!)

Maybe we'll race someday!

     I'm looking forward to it!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:40:20 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________
NEW STUFF

66 442 Grille w/Bar (nice)  $200.00
66 442 W-30 Core Support  (nice) $150.00
66 442/Cutlass Rear Bumper (rechromed, nice) $300.00
66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
66 442 Taillight Bezels w/lens  $150.00
67-69  3 Spd. Auto Console (black, complete, nice)  $175.00
69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00

We will be at the Eastern Virginia Oldsmobile Clubs Veteran's Day show in
Chesapeake, VA on the 8th of November, and at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th
of November in Chesapeake VA.

* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
adjustments on prices without notice.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:40:22 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac

To All

        We have a 66 442 F-85 Post Coupe W-30 Track-Pac car with 24,000
documented miles for sale. Topical Turqoise, matching interior (new), has a
fresh 455 w/Tri-Carb setup, correct 400 if wanted goes with car. 455 has
.030 forged pistons, Manley valves, 3 angle valve job, 328 degree .475 lift
cam, M-21 4spd, 3.73 Anti-Spin rear. Car has new quarters, mint fenders. Car
is in Uro Prime. Rechromed bumpers, Complete OAI setup including duct work
(air cleaner is a repop). Has steel wheels and dog dish hubcaps, new tires,
mint dash, Radio Delete car. Needs finishing. Asking $7500.00  Contact Frank
Muntean at (804)730-3396 or Jim Chermack at (757)474-0869

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 21:15:08 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's

Mike Hall noted:

..I guess I better build one of these spare 455's so I can redeem myself
to the Oldsmobile Gods...

     "If some is good, more is better, and too much is just about right."

     Besides, if the car goes 12.2s with that little toy motor, just think
     what it'll do if you applied all the same tricks to a "real" motor!
     :-)

     Great job on the car, by the way!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:06:32 -0600
From: "Eli Cranson" <edcranso@ria.net>
Subject: in need of some parts for a '69 4 4 2

I recently purchased a '69 4 4 2 and I am looking for a few parts that it
did not have with it and I was hoping I could have some luck on here... the
parts I need are a front grille and the front emblems.  if anyone can help
me find these items please contact me.. thanks

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:11:32 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Who lives near Maricopa, Arizona?

Hey Arizonian!  I just moved to Tucson.  Where are the Olds shows, etc.?
Thanks!

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 23:05:16 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Factory experimental engines and parts


I wonder if a longer-shaft distributor would have been designed, to raise
the cap high enough to clear the intake.

     That was actually my first thought.  It looks like I could use the
     shaft from a Ch*vy distributor, and machine a housing extension to
     raise the Olds Delco unit higher.  Attaching the extension, and using
     the longer shaft would effectively give me a taller distributor.

Can you scan a picture of this beast for the web-page?

     I'll see if I can borrow the digital camera from work.  Unfortunately,
     I'm off to California again at 7:30 tomorrow morning, so the pics will
     have to wait a week or two.  Just to whet your appetite a little more,
     I also managed to score (at a different swap meet) a big block Olds
     Weber manifold.  This one actually looks like the one that was used on
     the aluminum 455 Can Am motors from 68-69.  It's on the shelf next to
     the cross ram.  The Weber intake (4 x 2bbl setup) is not even
     completely machined and still has some of the machinist's blue dye on
     it.

Like the earlier Chrysler cross-rams?

     Exactly!

Wow, I wonder if there was anything special about the bottom end, which
would enable the engine to run at an rpm high enough to use _1500_cfm!
Joe, you gotta put this on an aluminum-rod 425 some day... :)

     425?  You obviously haven't been paying attention to the other
     thread that I instigated.  I was thinking something more like
     510 CID...There's more than one way to use that 1500 CFM!  ;-)

     Seriously, these are relatively short runners, likely tuned for
     a fairly high RPM range.  If I had to guess, I'd say 3000-4500
     RPM, maybe higher, so your suggestion is a good one.

These experimental factory parts are extremely interesting to me. Who else
here has come across interesting experimental parts from Olds? And how
would such things make their way into a swap meet?

     I've wondered that myself.  The Weber intake, having been used on the
     privately-owned McKee Can Am cars, is much more likely to have been
     offered for sale.  The cross ram just blew me away when I saw it.  At
     the time, I didn't even know they existed.  Needless to say, my
     negotiating position was weakened just a bit after my head spun around
     a couple of times.  It wasn't until sometime later that I ran across
     the Hot Rod issue with the picture of the experimental engines.  The
     SOHC setup on that engine appears to be an add-on cam carrier which
     bolted to the stock heads in place of the valve covers (unlike the
     OW-43 setup which used unique 4-valve heads).  I wonder where _those_
     pieces are.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:18:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: speaker ohm question?

On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:

> A few days ago someone was talking about stock speakers, etc.
>
> I installed "alpine" 6" x 9"s in my 71' 4-4-2 which has a stock radio.
> I believe they are the standard 8 ohms.  Will (or can) this damage my
> stock radio and 8-track?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2
>
no

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 97 23:21:26 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac

..(air cleaner is a repop)...

     Jim,

     Is this true?  Is there hope for me to find a repo 66 O.A.I. air
     cleaner for my 66 convert (I already have the tri-power)?  Any info
     would be appreciated.  Thanks.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 20:35:21 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Catalogs...

Is there any other Olds catalogs other than Mondello...I saw something
around here about Oldsmobile USA, and I also know about Batten...could
anyone tell me how to get a hold of
Thanks...
John

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:33:17 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Pontiac parts available for swap

I have a correct quadrajet and intake manifold for a 1968 pontiac 400.
I am looking for the same combo for my 72 Cutlass Supreme.  If anyone
knows of anyone looking for these parts, I would like to do an even
swap. If interested please email me at:
boogah@en.com

Joe Wolfe
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:38:49 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Book

Need to find a source for part/option numbers for my 72 Cutlass. Is
there a reference that anyone could recommend?  Foe example, I need to
find out what the part numbers for the 442 suspension, cooling,
carburetor, etc are.  Any help appreciated.

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 23:44:11 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: A story I heard

I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's except for a few
cosmetic changes and the addition of the overflow bottle.  He also said
that had there been no strike, the 72's would have been the model that
came out in 73. Anyone heard this version before. I am curious to know
if this is really what occured.  It sure was interesting listening to
it...

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:12:50 -0400
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: 69 442 paint scheme

I have a 69 442 that was built in Oct. of 68.  This car was on the
showroom floor of the dealership.  My Question is the paint scheme for
the hood and fender.  I know the hood stripes are correct but there are
the stripes on the front fenders that go straight down over the 442
emblems.  The sticker has the W42 Dual Stripe Hood option.  I know the
fender stripes are correct for a 68.  Could they have put them on because
it was a showroom car?  If somebody knows the answer could you please let
me know where you got the info.

Thanks,
Clay
69 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:08:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible rear interior panels [was Re: 1970 SX engine
information]

Year One has these partª PM64S for the set price is $85.00
Hope this helps.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:08:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: hardtop convertible

Oldsmobile made hardtops thru 1976. They made convertables thru 1975. He
could be refering to the early 60s hardtops that had what looked like ribs in
the steel roofs. I personally like that style very much.

Just MY .02

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:10:44 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: A story I heard

At 11:44 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
>friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
>72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
>forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's except for a few
>cosmetic changes and the addition of the overflow bottle.  He also said
>that had there been no strike, the 72's would have been the model that
>came out in 73. Anyone heard this version before. I am curious to know
>if this is really what occured.  It sure was interesting listening to
>it...
>
>Joe
>72 Cutlass Supreme
>
Joe

        Your friend is correct. There was a strike at GM in 71 and it did
make them just warm the cars over for 72. The new body style was slated for
72 vice 73.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:12:33 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

Some new information, just got off the phone with a guy who is selling an
Olds 350 Engine (Intake through Pan) with TH350 Tranny for 175 it is still
running fine (so he says).  Would this work in my '64 Olds that had my 394
in it.  I would put my 4 bbl on it, but any other issues that I would need
to address while I rebuild my 394?

Thanks,

Gary



I'm back, it seems that my engine has called it quits, could not even turn
the belts by hand.  Turn the key, and not even a click.........

Anyway, now my dilemma, and I'm looking for all of your expert opinions.  I
need a new engine or to rebuild mine, or both, find a new engine (one to get
me through for a while) and then rebuild mine.  This '64 has the 394 4Bbl,
with a tranny that is PNDSLR.  So my question is this, besides the 394 what
other options do I have?  Will I have to replace the tranny as well?

I can't wait to get it up and running, so your help is greatly appreciated
as always.

G

ps...I'm a layman when it comes to this stuff, so as non-techie as you can
be would help.




At 01:50 PM 10/12/97 +0300, you wrote:
>Gary Manton wrote:
>
>> I added some coolant to my '64 Dynamic 88 with a 394, and there is no
>> overflow tank.
>No, there isn't, but there is a hose coming out of the radiator near the cap.
>When the cap lets steam out under over-pressure, this hose guides the vapor
>and fluid under the car.
>
>> It started smoking after a while, which I thought was just
>> the overflow hitting the engine.  It eventually started smoking a lot, and
>> then some rather annoying knocking.
>Smoke colour ?
>- blueOil burning in the cylider(s), nothing to do with
>coolant.
>
>- white (steam)Depends. If coming out of exhaust pipe, might be a broken
>head gasket or other blown gasket allowing coolant
>go into exhaust chamber.
>
>Might also be oil dripping onto exhaust pipe.
>
>> I pulled off the road, and as I got to
>> the top of the exit ramp, she decided to die.  It was there that any lights
>> decided to come on, gen and oil. The heat light never came on.
>Electrical problem as well. Just one of those days.... This (on  my opinion)
>has nothing in common with the coolant. Sometimes if there is a huge air
>pocket in engine coolant system, the hot-light may not light up.
>
>> I burnt
>> most of my oil and it was pretty much dry.  I am looking for advice on two
>> topics, first if anyone has experienced this, and what might be the issues
>> to look for as I start to dissect the car.  Second, I will be looking for an
>> overflow tank for the radiator, and wondering if anyone had any suggestions.
>There You see, 'twas the oil burning.
>
>Do You have the AC option ?
>
>Mine AC pump broke in a way that jammed the pump alltogether. Didn't notice
nothing
>until I saw the smoke coming under the hood. The belts had warmed the balancer
>and fried the rubber parts away. The result was a balancer with a loose
metal ring
>making awful noise.
>
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:24:41 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: distributors

Ladies and Gents,

I am in search of point type distributors. No specific years or casting
numbers. Will take as many as I can get my hands on.


The General

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:25:09 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Book

At 11:38 PM 10/13/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Need to find a source for part/option numbers for my 72 Cutlass. Is
>there a reference that anyone could recommend?  Foe example, I need to
>find out what the part numbers for the 442 suspension, cooling,
>carburetor, etc are.  Any help appreciated.
>
>Joe
>72 Cutlass Supreme
>

Joe

        One of the best books to get would be a Factory Service manual and
an Assembly Manual. These two books alone are worth there weight in gold
while restoring or attempting to document a car. They will also tell you how
to tear it apart and how it goes back together. They are worth the money.
The W-machine Restoration Guide is OK, but has some very inconsistant
information that doesn't jibe with the factory notes. Hope this helps you
decide.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:31:12 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: 330 intake

Ladies and Gents,

Does any one have need of a 67' 330  iron 4 barrel intake B4 I trash it
??????

The General

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:33:21 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: TH700-R4

can i get more info on that adapter you mentioned for the bell housing
from PAW. i need one to bolt a th700 to my Olds 350.

Howie
71 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:40:34 -0600
From: "Eli Cranson" <edcranso@ria.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

I will trade a points distributor for a good HEI...

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:44:48 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: distributors

Eli,
Why nit just get a Malory Unilite conversion. It installs in about 1 hour
and will work with your stock plugs, wires, and coil

- ----------
> From: Eli Cranson <edcranso@ria.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: distributors
> Date: Tuesday, October 14, 1997 12:40 AM
>
> I will trade a points distributor for a good HEI...

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:54:26 -0600
From: "Eli Cranson" <edcranso@ria.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

well I can't afford a distributor now...... but as soon as I can I guess I
might be able to let my points one go..

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 21:56:16 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)


>     OK, please provide a little more info.  Do you mean it won't shift up
>     to second (thus the engine RPM just keeps building until you let off
>     the gas)?  Or does the trans actually start slipping at a certain RPM,
>     causing the engine to suddenly increase revs dramatically with no
>     increase in speed of the car?
It will stay in low then go straight into neutral until the gas is let off
& then it will go back in low (at an understandably low RPM).

>     Will the car finally upshift at a high speed?  If the vacuum modulator
>     is not working properly, the trans will think the engine is at WOT and
>     will upshift on governor command only.  This will be a pretty harsh
>     shift.
No, not at all.

My trans guy is back but backed up & I still can't get ahold of him.  Any &
all input is appreciated as I'd like to try & get this figured out.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:10:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Illinois Plate

Not in California - you have to have a copy of some previous registration
matching VIN to plate number.

But there were 2 old California plates (yellow w/ black printing -
predecessors of the 'old' black & gold) with '63 tags (two sep. plate
numbers - pretty odd) - way cool- if  I had a '63 I'd have DEFINATELY
grabbed these.  If anyone is interested let me know - I doubt they're
selling that fast!

Day one of Ruby as fill in daily driver - I LIKE this little car.




Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 13 Oct 1997 22:11:54 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: '67 Cutlass suspension/performance mods

How much did they run?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:06:09 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Igor Todorovic
Calgary, Alberta
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3 (soon to go)
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 01:02:31 -0600
From: Robert Bennett <rbennett@Netway.ab.ca>
Subject: Roland's site

Just checked your Bonn site and the picture of the 98 Holiday Coupe
looks just like the one in the garage,even down to the colour and those
are the caps I am looking for. The driver looks a little more
conservative than I do though. Nice site.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 00:43:31 -0600
From: Robert Bennett <rbennett@Netway.ab.ca>
Subject: '56 Hubcaps

Thanks for the help Larry , Roland and Scott. Have sent off inquiries to
the places suggested and will keep you all informed. Have put the car
down for the winter , sure seems like spring is a long time coming to
take it out again. The car was purchased new in '56 by my father and I
am the second owner. I have all the original documents , bill of sale ,
factory order and original licence plates. The instructions for the
automatic transmission are still on the visor and the spare has never
touched the ground. I presume that you are familiar with the GM service
to obtain the info on any vehicle. They sent the sheet giving the date
the car was built , shipping date and all the serial numbers and paint
code. Evidently there were only slightly more than 19,000 of these
produced. Thanks again.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:26:34 -0400
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: test - don't bother to read

test

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:16:40 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> mph=tire radius/168*engine rpm/gear ratio

I was trying this formula out and am a little confused.  If I have
245R60/14s going 5000 rpm with a 3.08 gear ratio what is the mph?
I believe the tire I have are 25 inches in diameter.  Therefore:
mph = 12.5 / 168 * 5000 / 3.08 = 120.7 mph.  Is this right?

Chris

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:28:12 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

Eli Cranson wrote:
>
> well I can't afford a distributor now...... but as soon as I can I guess I
> might be able to let my points one go..

Wouldn't it be pointless to go with HEI?  Sorry I couldn't resist the
pun. :-) :-)

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:38:13 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake

On my 1987 442 I have the dual-snorkel setup.  The second intake pulls in
hot engine compartment air.  I purchased black 4" flexible ducting from JC
Whitney (3.5" would work) and it fits very nicely over the second snorkel.
I originally routed it down near the vapor canister and it fit nice and
snug between the inner fender and a shield facing the ground.  This picked
up a slight ram-air effect while driving (on a cool night the hose and
snorkel are cold after driving).

I ended up re-routing the hose to stick out between the radiator and the
flexible water shield on the passenger side behind the grill.  It fits nice
there witht the flexible shield holding the hose facing somewhat forward
but not blocking the grill much.  I did this for drag racing so that I
would not pull hot air off of the pavement while staging.  It definetly
helps at the upper end especially when it is cool out.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 05:50:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

- ---Steven Saraceno <steven@purplemonkey.com> wrote:
>
> <I'm late but here goes:
>
> OLDSMOBILES> and a list of 100 dream cars followed.
>
> Nobody should own that many cars, let alone 3 W-machines. Can I use
one
> on its off days?
>
> Steven
> '70 442 convertible
>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sure! Just leave a LARGE cash deposit!

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 330 intake

bloom@guerilla.net  was looking for one last week, maybe he still is.
  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:02:47 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: TH700-R4

- -----Original Message-----
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>


>can i get more info on that adapter you mentioned for the bell housing
>from PAW. i need one to bolt a th700 to my Olds 350.

Trans-dapt makes the adapter along with some others for Olds. Try some local
speed or machine shops to see if they carry them.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 08:59:57 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: '56 Hubcaps

Robert Bennett wrote

<I presume that you are familiar with the GM service
<to obtain the info on any vehicle.

No I am not.  I have always heard Oldsmobile was terrible at record
keeping and had no way of tracing VINs.  Is this service available for
all Olds.

Steven
'70 442 convt

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:08:10 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: A story I heard

At 11:44 PM 10/13/1997 -0700, you wrote:
>I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
>friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
>72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
>forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's except for a few
>cosmetic changes and the addition of the overflow bottle.  He also said
>that had there been no strike, the 72's would have been the model that
>came out in 73. Anyone heard this version before. I am curious to know
>if this is really what occured.  It sure was interesting listening to
>it...

Yes.  The full-sized Oldsmobiles (and the other GM's too) got their
makeover for 1971, and the A-bodies were to have gotten theirs for 1972.
The strike delayed that to 1973.  In retrospect, isn't that kind of nice?
Nothing against the '73s, but because of the strike, we got one more year
of Cutlass convertibles.


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:09:12 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: hardtop convertible

At 12:08 AM 10/14/1997 -0400, you wrote:
>Oldsmobile made hardtops thru 1976. They made convertables thru 1975. He
>could be refering to the early 60s hardtops that had what looked like ribs in
>the steel roofs.

And it was that ribbing effect that really made them look like convertibles!


Dan



*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:09:57 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake

Steve Ochs wrote:

> snug between the inner fender and a shield facing the ground.  This picked
> up a slight ram-air effect while driving (on a cool night the hose and
> snorkel are cold after driving).

I am a little confused.  A fellow coworker informs me that cold air
coming
into the carb is not good.  He says that compressed air is what needs to
come
in.  Which is it?

Chris

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:30:46 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

- -----Original Message-----
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
>> mph=tire radius/168*engine rpm/gear ratio
>
>I was trying this formula out and am a little confused.  If I have
>245R60/14s going 5000 rpm with a 3.08 gear ratio what is the mph?
>I believe the tire I have are 25 inches in diameter.  Therefore:
>mph = 12.5 / 168 * 5000 / 3.08 = 120.7 mph.  Is this right?
>
>Chris
That's what I got. You can double check yourself by using another formula. I
did the mph one and got 120.78685 then did the rpm formula using 120.78685
as the mph and ended up with 4999.9957 rpm. Close enough only .0043 off.

Some things you need to remember is that if your tire is 25' standing still
it will be taller at 120 mph how much depends on tire construction, rubber
compound, inflaltion.... and it will be shorter on acceleration depending on
engine power, wheel spin...  then you have tranny slippage and there is
probable a couple more things I can't think of right of hand. Don't forget
your overdrive if you have one a 200r4 will make a 3.08 a 2.0636

These formulas are for giving you a good idea of what to expect not 100%
accurate but pretty close. They're out of the back of my Edelbrock catalog
that has a lot more than just these and best of all it's free.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:32:42 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

- -----Original Message-----
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>



>Eli Cranson wrote:
>>
>> well I can't afford a distributor now...... but as soon as I can I guess
I
>> might be able to let my points one go..
>
>Wouldn't it be pointless to go with HEI?  Sorry I couldn't resist the
>pun. :-) :-)
>
>Chris Sparks
>
And there's a lot of good points to loose your points.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:23:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)

In a message dated 97-10-13 22:47:25 EDT, you write:

<<  has a
 fresh 455 w/Tri-Carb setup, correct 400 if wanted goes with car. 455 has
 ..030 forged pistons, Manley valves, 3 angle valve job, 328 degree .475 lift
 cam, M-21 4spd, 3.73 Anti-Spin rear >>

I've got a question for everyone.  I thought the tri-carb set-up was for the
394's, not the newer style blocks (455's, etc.).  Is this an aftermarket
manifold, or an original tri-carb set-up (thought you've said before that you
had an original tri-power, but could be wrong).  I would think
performance-wise, the tri-carb set-up would be pretty good (uses one carb for
"normal" driving, and all three for WOT).  How well does this set-up work?
 Of course you can also have that much more to "work with" when trying to
tune for performance (three carbs, all the extra set-up, and hassles..).

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 07:31:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sway Bars

- ---Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
Right next to the Ch*vy in the yard was an '80 Firebird Formula. Looked
into the engine room and it's front bar was a beefy one,looked to be
maybe 1 1/4 inches. I understand that this would fit my Cutlass.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will fit! Get it, you won't be sorry. I have run this size front
bar on a 69 and a 70 Cutlass (along with a rear bar of course) and the
difference in cornering is worth the effort! It did not make the ride
any harsher. :)

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:01:42 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Concerning 350's and 455's

- -----Original Message-----
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>

>> Daren
>
>
>That's because your car obviously wasn't set up properly for the v6
>and the added weight of the 455 corrected it.  If you had a professional
>setup with the v6 and a professional setup with the 455,
>your slalom times would be higher (better) with the v6.

You also got to remember the $$$$$ factor. I had less than 1 grand in the
swap. Could you buy all the parts for the suspension pay to have it
professionally set up raise the V6's hp from 110 to about 225-250 for less
than 1 grand?

Don't get me wrong I like good handling cars, but I also like the power to
get the car moving fast enough to push the suspension to it's limits. Like
Joe P. said as far as olds are concerned there isn't much difference between
sb's and bb's now chevy's on the other hand a rat head probably weighs
almost as much as a whole mouse motor.

Talking about this reminds me of a interview with Porshe driver talking
about Vipers in road course racing. He said after comming out of a turn his
car would start vibrating then start shaking then a Viper would fly past him
and his car would calm down and then in the next turn it would happen to him
again (vibration) except he would be passing the Viper this would go on the
whole race. Yes this does prove your point but I'd rather be driving the
Viper if I had a choose between the two, of course I'd choose one of those
Aurora's cars if I could.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:06:34 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake

- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
>
>I am a little confused.  A fellow coworker informs me that cold air
>coming
>into the carb is not good.  He says that compressed air is what needs to
>come
>in.  Which is it?
>
>Chris
>
You want both but the carb. has to be adjusted to handle the increase in air
otherwise it probably will hurt performance and parts if it gets to lean.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:10:17 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Timing Chain

With 200,000 miles on it, I think I better not push my luck and just
change it. I'll rebuilt the engine next year (cam [~.474 lift, 260-270
duration, streetable overlap], bore, pistons, gaskets). I want a roller
chain, and I want to install it straight up (I've heard most Olds chains
are around 4 degrees retarded).

Which one should I use? Dave Smith has a set for around $60.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:15:37 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
>and it will be shorter on acceleration depending on
>engine power, wheel spin...
Wheel spin will more than likely make it taller but not always.Watch a pro
stock car they'll spin a couple revolutions off the line but the space
between the rim and the ground still gets smaller. During a burn out the
tire grows alot. Depends on how much and how long the wheel spins.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:20:14 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>


>then you have tranny slippage and there is
>probable a couple more things I can't think of right of hand.

Is it me or is my grammar getting worser :o

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:49:27 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)

Chris,

I think you're thinking of the late 50's J-2 tripower setup.....this is the
'66 version of which approximately 2120 were made, one year only.  I run one
on my street 455 setup, but they came on the 400's of that year from the
factory or as a dealer option.  Center carb functions as a primary, with
mechanical linkage kicking in the outer carbs as secondaries.  Frankly, I
bought mine long ago mostly for uniqueness.....I'm going to build a monster
motor this winter *hopefully* and I'm going to run a Torker/single Holley
setup then and save the tripower for another vehicle.  It most definitely is
an attention getter, though.


>
>I've got a question for everyone.  I thought the tri-carb set-up was for the
>394's, not the newer style blocks (455's, etc.).  Is this an aftermarket
>manifold, or an original tri-carb set-up (thought you've said before that you
>had an original tri-power, but could be wrong).  I would think
>performance-wise, the tri-carb set-up would be pretty good (uses one carb for
>"normal" driving, and all three for WOT).  How well does this set-up work?
> Of course you can also have that much more to "work with" when trying to
>tune for performance (three carbs, all the extra set-up, and hassles..).
>
>Chris Ruper
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:14:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: A story I heard

> At 11:44 PM 10/13/1997 -0700, you wrote:
> >I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
> >friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
> >72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
> >forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's except for a few
> >cosmetic changes and the addition of the overflow bottle.  He also said
> >that had there been no strike, the 72's would have been the model that
> >came out in 73. Anyone heard this version before. I am curious to know
> >if this is really what occured.  It sure was interesting listening to
> >it...
>
> Yes.  The full-sized Oldsmobiles (and the other GM's too) got their
> makeover for 1971, and the A-bodies were to have gotten theirs for 1972.
> The strike delayed that to 1973.  In retrospect, isn't that kind of nice?
> Nothing against the '73s, but because of the strike, we got one more year
> of Cutlass convertibles.
>
> Dan


I think the GM plan and the strike also explain why VIN's for 72's are
different from the previous years.  The VIN's from 65-71 follow the same
pattern, and while 72 A-bodies share their design with the 71's, the VIN's
for 72's follow the pattern of 73-80(?) VIN's.

So GM got the new VIN's in place in 1972, just not the new designs.

- --                                                               _
                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:15:49 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Need help with Thermac air cleaner!!

Eneryone,
     Can someone please help me?!! This past weekend I decided to paint the
air cleaner housing on my '87 Cutlass Supreme. After finishing and hooking
everything up, the little vacum controlled door in the snorkel won't open!
It stays in hot air mode constantly! It has no pick up and go anymore and I
used almost a half of a tank of gas to go 50 miles!! I don't believe it's
stuck because the door does move. Could it be the two vacum hoses that hook
up to the sensor in the air cleaner? Please someone help!! I can't afford
to fill the tank up every two days!
Thanks.

Andy Geeting

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 09:14:51 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
>
> >then you have tranny slippage and there is
> >probable a couple more things I can't think of right of hand.
>
> Is it me or is my grammar getting worser :o

Maybe it is grammar slippage..... :-)

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:47:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: Tri-Carb Set-up (was: For Sale: 66 442 Track-Pac)

> In a message dated 97-10-13 22:47:25 EDT, you write:
>
> <<  has a
>  fresh 455 w/Tri-Carb setup, correct 400 if wanted goes with car. 455 has
>  ..030 forged pistons, Manley valves, 3 angle valve job, 328 degree .475 lift
>  cam, M-21 4spd, 3.73 Anti-Spin rear >>
>
> I've got a question for everyone.  I thought the tri-carb set-up was for the
> 394's, not the newer style blocks (455's, etc.).  Is this an aftermarket
> manifold, or an original tri-carb set-up (thought you've said before that you
> had an original tri-power, but could be wrong).  I would think
> performance-wise, the tri-carb set-up would be pretty good (uses one carb for
> "normal" driving, and all three for WOT).  How well does this set-up work?
>  Of course you can also have that much more to "work with" when trying to
> tune for performance (three carbs, all the extra set-up, and hassles..).
>
> Chris Ruper


The tri-carb setup on the 394's that you are talking about was the
J2 option.

In 1966, there was also a tri-power option for 400's.  As I understand it,
there was a W-30 version, and also a dealer installed version called the
Track-Pac.

Also, I am told, GM made some sort of rule after 66 that you couldn't
install tri-power on a factory car (except C*rvette).  If this is true,
this would explain why the option was for 1966 only, and wasn't available
in 1967.

You can treat this all as heresay, if you are worried about receiving
incorrect info.  It is correct to the best of my knowledge.  Of course, I
don't own a 66, but I would like to!
- --
Drew
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 12:57:08 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show

At 09:09 PM 10/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Dirty W Thirty??? Was this the yellow W-30 parked third from RT7 on the
>performance row?
>
>Ray
>
>     Yupper.  I _did_ wash it before the show!  :-)
>
>     Maybe "Rusty" would be a better title (but nowhere near as poetic).
>     Unfortunately, even though I've accumulated a pile of parts (N.O.S.
>     fenders, complete W-30 engine, upholstery kit, headliner, etc), the
>     frequent traveling required by my job has put a crimp in plans to
>     restore it right now.  I'm hoping for a respite from the travel
>     starting next spring.  For now, the car's a daily driver.
>
>     As far as the show is concerned, I certainly had a great time.  Got to
>     meet Drew Senko, Brad Nicholson, Tom Simmons, and Kurt H. from the
>     list.  Of the bunch, I think Drew looks most like what I pictured he
>     would (and no, even I don't know how you should take that, Drew).  :-)
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30

I was also at the show. If I'd had my wits about me I would have checked
out the show registration and introduced myself. Doh! Anyway, before you
start the restoration we should get our W-30s together for a "bookends"
photo. My W-30 convertible is the same color (Sebring Yellow?) and in
similar shape. Although, yours has more sheet metal. :)

Ray
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 W-30 Conv.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:12:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re[2]: CCR All Olds Show

- ---"padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM> wrote:
>
>
> Dirty W Thirty??? Was this the yellow W-30 parked third from RT7 on
the performance row?
>
> Ray
>
>      Yupper.  I _did_ wash it before the show!  :-)
>
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     I missed meeting up with you guys.:( We had our 71 Supreme HT
there. In the past we have brought our "cosmetically challenged" 72
W30 convertible to Templeton......you may remember it...Saturn Gold,
dents, rust and primer. If I had known I would have brought it this
year and we could have parked side by side! :)

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Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

P.S. I have a pile of NOS stuff for mine also!
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 10:26:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Concerning 350's and 455's

     Regarding 350 vs 455: I've seen 350 as well as 455 A-bodies run
11s in the 1/4 mile. The 350s have less internal weight (inertia) and
can rev quicker, but in a street-type car the 455 will always produce
more low-end power and run great even with highway style gearing.
     I've got 2 "race" cars in the works; a 70 W31(350) and a 70
Cutlass S (455). I can't decide which is better so I'll build both.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake

In a message dated 97-10-14 10:15:34 EDT, you write:

<< Steve Ochs wrote:

 > snug between the inner fender and a shield facing the ground.  This picked
 > up a slight ram-air effect while driving (on a cool night the hose and
 > snorkel are cold after driving).

 I am a little confused.  A fellow coworker informs me that cold air
 coming
 into the carb is not good.  He says that compressed air is what needs to
 come
 in.  Which is it?

 Chris >>

Actually, you probably want a little of both.  I'm sure what your friend is
talking about is when the air gets TOO cold as it comes in.  I think that you
can get an "icing" effect on the carb that will start "clogging" thing up if
the air is too cold, but I think we're talking about when it gets real cold.
 In most cases, you want cool, fresh air, and if possible, some type of "ram
effect" or pressure through the system also.

The cool air thing is best shown when on mornings when it's like 40 degrees
out, and the engines warmed up (off choke), the car will seem to have a
little more "umph..." to it, and seems faster (ditto when night driving, and
it's cool out).

Hmmm... thinking about it, maybe that's why the '80's models came with a dual
snorkel air cleaner, but used an open one in the engine compartment, and only
ducted one of them (so as to not cool down the air too much...).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:45:24 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: speaker ohm question?

> On Sat, 11 Oct 1997 mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> > A few days ago someone was talking about stock speakers, etc.
> >
> > I installed "alpine" 6" x 9"s in my 71' 4-4-2 which has a stock
> radio.
> > I believe they are the standard 8 ohms.  Will (or can) this damage
> my
> > stock radio and 8-track?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > RC Hellebuyck
> > 1971 4-4-2

 No it won't.  In essence the higher the ohm number the safer your
stereo is.  The lower the number (impedence) the more strain put on the
amplifier part of the deck.  Check the ohm rating of the Alpines again.
Most car speakers are usually 4 ohms, and even if they are, you should
still be in the clear.

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
General Manager
Stonehill College Radio
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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 13:49:50 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: A story I heard

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> At 11:44 PM 10/13/1997 -0700, you wrote:
> >I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
> >friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
> >72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
> >forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's except for a few
> >cosmetic changes and the addition of the overflow bottle.  He also said
> >that had there been no strike, the 72's would have been the model that
> >came out in 73. Anyone heard this version before. I am curious to know
> >if this is really what occured.  It sure was interesting listening to
> >it...
>
> Yes.  The full-sized Oldsmobiles (and the other GM's too) got their
> makeover for 1971, and the A-bodies were to have gotten theirs for 1972.
> The strike delayed that to 1973.  In retrospect, isn't that kind of nice?
> Nothing against the '73s, but because of the strike, we got one more year
> of Cutlass convertibles.
>
> Dan
>
> *********************************************
> Dan Gulino
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> *********************************************
I don't want to irritate anyone, but I think the 72 Cutlass is one of
the prettiest packages Lansing ever put out.  Not many differences, but
enough.  Of course, my other favorites are 69 to 71 so it probably
figures.  It has to do with style.  Even if you don't do something
right, if you do it with style sometimes no one notices the difference.

Don Sowers

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