
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 15 1997     Volume 01 : Number 906



NOS carbs available ref
Re: dessicant?
Re: speaker ohm question?
Re: A story I heard
Re: dessicant?
Re: Re[2]: Tri-Carb Set-up
Re: Sunday at the Races - the results
GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!
Re: Catalogs...Sorry...
69 h/o core motor
Re: '72 442 air cleaner decal
Re: GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!
67 cutlass parts
65 <4|4|2> List ONLY
rope main seals
pre-65 european vent tube
68-9 conv inner panels
Re: 67 cutlass parts
Re: California events
Re: pre-65 european vent tube
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...
Re[2]: A story I heard
Re[4]: Tri-Carb Set-up
Re: 69 442 paint scheme
Re[2]: distributors
Trivia question on 72s
Re: '78 Delta: Shot Myself in the Foot
old olds parts
83 Hurst - Wont Start
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...
Re: Book
dessicant?
Re: dessicant?
Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)
Re: MY day at the races
Re: A story I heard
Re: 66  Toronado parts
Re: '78 Delta: Shot Myself in the Foot
Re: Trivia question on 72s
Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al 
Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...
Re: Trivia question on 72s
'64 N98 Chrome Wheels
Re: 330 intake
Radiator
Re: question about rear end gearing
FS Rallye 350
Hey guys!! I just joined  up.
Re: MY day at the races
Re: Sunday at the Races - the results
Re: MY day at the races
Edelbrock heads
any really fast olds out there??
Re: Hey guys!! I just joined  up.
Re: MY day at the races
RE: Factory experimental engines and parts
RE: Oil Plug size, 72 to 75 455 (9/16 to 7/8)
RE: Hey guys!! I just joined  up.
RE: manuals
Re: MY day at the races
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:04:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: NOS carbs available ref

Got the following in the mail today, name w/held to protect the innocent:
- ---------------
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 03:25:44 -0400 (EDT)
To: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
Subject: 253 Carb

Hey Chris.
   This weekend I ended up having to use the 7029253 carb you got for me about
a
month ago.
My carb was shot and needed to be replaced/rebuilt.  So I put yours on.  It
is great and my 69 442 is now running great again.  I just thought you would
like to know how pleased I am.  Don't hesitate to use me as a reference for
any future business dealings you may have.
   Thanks again,
   a satisfied customer
- ------------------
LOTS of 7029253 NOS carbs left, get 'em while they're available. Many other
numbers, too, email for list of known numbers. Other numbers exist, hadn't the
time to open all boxes. The wall O' Carbs is literally 100 feet long, 30 feet
high, 3 boxes deep. Numerous Ch*vy numbers I didn't even bother with. Fond
*one* NOS 69 W30 carb in there, 7029254. Will trade it for 7028254.


- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:25:34 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

Jon442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
> blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
> motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
> rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.

First off, don't forget that metal will rust any time oxygen is
availible.  So squeeze all the air out the baggies that you can.  The
best way to keep the parts from rusting is to give them a light coat of
oil.  But if you don't want to do that then here's a couple of
suggestions, FWIW.

 I've read in hot rod magazine that one of the advantages to
sandblasting with baking soda is that it inhibits rust.  The residual
powder left on the surface after sandblasting will help keep it from
rusting for awhile.  Maybe you could try adding a little arm&hammer to
one of the baggies, shake well, and see if it helps.  

Another possibility; rice.  I've heard it's supposed to absorb
moisture.  You could fill a baggie half full, drop in your part and
squeeze the extra air out and see if that does any good. 

These are just a couple of suggestions off the top of my head.  I've
never tried either of these and I don't know if they'll work.  But
baking soda and rice are cheap, so they might be worth a shot.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:12:23 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: speaker ohm question?

> 
> Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> > Most modern speakers are 4 ohms but older
> > cars used 8 and even 10 ohms.  I agree with what you said about higher
> >
> > ohms being safer but going from 8 to 4 ohms doubles the load on the
> > amp.
> > If the amp was built for a 4 ohm load, fine -- if not...
> 
> You got it.  Older speaker setup got as high as 16 ohms...a 4x10
> straight outta my 66 C*ddy had one.  I assumed the deck was relativly
> new, but that is a bad on my part.
> 
> > Best bet is to add a power amp.  Even a cheap one will have better
> > specs
> > than the original radio and it should be 4 ohm safe.
> 
> Crutchfield is selling a BLAUPUNKT amp in two models:  the Velocity 220
> or 420.  The 220 being 2 x 20 watts and the 420 being 4 x 20 watts at a
> rated THD of 0.03 %.  Not bad for $39.99 and $59.99 respectively.  I
> have the 420 in my car right now and it is damn good.

I've got a pair of Sony 3.5" (stock size) speakers (w/ titanium tweeters
and polypropylene cone--$100) up front, and a pair of Sony XS6953 6x9"s
($190--stock size) in the rear.  I've also got a Sony 2351 amp (2x70
watts, peak pwr.--$120) pushing the 6x9's, and it cranks!  Considering
that I built the system for only $650 (Canadian), it's pretty damn
sweet!  All of the speakers are stock sizes, and the amp is small enough
to be hidden almost anywhere...the only obvious thing is the Pioneer CD
deck...

This set-up is the ultimate balance between clarity and crank-a-bility! 
I've still got the stock 10 OHM (!) 6x9's from my '78 Delta 88 if
anybody's interested...

S. Dave Ward	(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)


> 
> Daniel
> 
> --
> Daniel R. Gerow
> WSHL-FM 91.3
> General Manager
> Stonehill College Radio
> -----------------------
> http://www.stonehill.edu
> http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
> http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
> ---------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:11:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A story I heard

> I recently got into a discussion about the 1972 Cutlass/ 442's.  A
> friend and myself were discussing the similarities between the 71 and
> 72's. He made the statement that there was a strike at GM in 71 and that
> forced the 72 models to be identical to the 71's 

The story is pure B.S. My dad worked for GM then.   The big strike for
GM was in 73.  The 72 model year design was in stone by the Detroit Auto
Show well in advance of the fall release date.  The concept cars come in
around 3 years or so earlier!  Oldsmobile did not build greatness in one
season!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:27:05 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

At 01:24 AM 10/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
>blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
>motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
>rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.
>
>Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
>dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat shop?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jon Wessel
>

Jon,

You can put desiccant in the bags.  Desiccant is a crystal substance the
absorbes moisture.  Its blue in color when still good and when it has
asorbed as much as it can it will turn pink in color .  We use it at work to
help keep our avionics parts dry.  This is one way that might keep your
parts from rusting.
Its worth a try, I would think.

I hope that this might help.


Clarence
86 Olds Cutlass 4dr 307

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:38:33 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tri-Carb Set-up

- -----Original Message-----
From: padavano.joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>     
>     You are absolutely correct, Drew.  This is also why the GTO was 
>     limited to a single Q-jet after the 1966 model year.  

I thought Pontiac disobeyed GM and still offered the tri-power in '67.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:08:42 -0400
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Sunday at the Races - the results

Jeff Easton (Jeff.Easton@abbott.com) writes:

>Here is the results of my racing [snip]

Congratulations ! Many of those MPHs were good enough for mid-high 13
second runs had you had some traction. Looks like your 70 is running pretty
well. Did you bump the timing up a little and run some race gas or were you
running in purely street trim ? What did you wind up shifting at, 5000 ?

>'86 turbo Regal... 13.676@98.58mph

Aside from the coil pack, what else was wrong with it ? :-)

(Just kidding...no need to discuss that here.)

Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 22:56:53 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!

OKAY OKAY!  I just got off the phone with my dad, and he said he vividly
remembers the strike of 71.  It was a long one.  I apologize.  I was
wrong, again.  He told me my eight cylinder mouth overloaded my four
cylinder a** again!  They had a local strike in 73 at the truck plant in
St. Louis, and it was very short lived.  They got a 10 cent raise per
hour out of it.

So, before I get blasted with both barrels, my mind slipped again, and I
apologize.  Funny how I can remember a part number from 20 + years ago,
but can't remember something like this too clearly.  I realize by the
time you read this, I will be shredded by so many others.

Here's another tidbit from '69 to chew on though.  A '69 H/O was parked
outside during lunch at Demmer, (just pulled out of the garage) and a
returning employee T-boned it with his motorcycle.  Apparently zooming
around the corner too fast.  Fortunately, he wasn't hurt too bad, but
the H/O took a nasty dent in the door.  Know what they did?  They fixed
the door, repainted it, and sent it on it's way, and didn't tell. 
Possibly somewhere right now, some 69 H/O owner has bondo in his door
that was done AFTER the car was built, but BEFORE they delivered it to
the dealer.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:13:53 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Catalogs...Sorry...

I forgot to look at Bryceman's Homepage for that...
Sorry I wasted everyones time on that...
John
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:14:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 69 h/o core motor

A friend of mine who is a non-Olds guy has a dismantled but complete (no
air-cleaner assembly) and apparently all original 69 H/O engine that he wants
to get rid of.  It needs a rebuild.  What do you all think it would be worth?
Tom SImmons
===============

Wow, I'd be glad to give it a new home.

What's it worth? Depends, apart, or as a unit? Heh.
  a lot.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 15:38:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '72 442 air cleaner decal

At 02:13 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Unfortunately, when i bought my '72 442/455/t400/3:23 a while back, the
>air cleaner was gone.  i've since found another off of a '72 delta but
>i'm not sure whether the air cleaner decal should read "oldsmobile
>rocket 455" or "oldsmobile 442".  I've heard that the automatics got the
>"rocket 455" version and standards got the "442" version.  is this
>true?  once i'm sure, i will call year one and order the correct decal.
>

        ALL 442 optioned Cutlass's had the 442 decal on the air cleaner. It
was automatically added with the W-29 option (which is the 442).

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:27:58 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: GM strike.  OOPS AGAIN!

> Here's another tidbit from '69 to chew on though.  A '69 H/O was parked
> outside during lunch at Demmer, (just pulled out of the garage) and a
> returning employee T-boned it with his motorcycle.  Apparently zooming
> around the corner too fast.

Same thing happened to me in June!  I was stopped, preparing to back
into a driveway on my side of the road.  I had my right signal on, but
when I angled my wheels to the left, an oncoming motorcycle (100km/h in
a 50) thought I was making a *left* turn, and wanted to pass on my side
of the road.  When he found out I was turning *right* instead of *left*,
he locked up the brakes, and cranked my truck in the pass. door!  F***ed
up the door, fender and running board...just over $1300.00 by the time
it got out of the shop...

What's wrong with this scenerio? *I* get hit, on *my* side of the road,
while I'm *stopped* by a *speeding* motorcycle, but I end up with the
"Failure To Share Roadway" charge...isn't that a load of B.S.?

>>Fortunately he wasn't hurt too bad

May he burn in Hell...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:30:14 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: 67 cutlass parts

Looking for front fenders and anything else of intrest for my 67 post
car.

Appreciate Any Help,
Ray Diehl

412-279-1736

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:35:14 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: 65 <4|4|2> List ONLY

Name:Address: "optional"State:Phone: "optional"     This is mine.        
                                   
Color:                    Black   AA
Interior:                 White
Buckets or bench: Buckets
4 speed or auto:    4 Speed
Coupe or Post:      Holiday Coupe
If you know of any out there for sale or any parts, include them in your
reply.Thanks,BRO    GBRO@juno.com65 <4|4|2>

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:59:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: rope main seals

Subject: rear seal

I"m rebuilding a 69 400 olds the rear main seal i got in the gasket set is a
rope type.    which i recd 4 pieces 2 of each size. What i took out of the
engine seems to be a rubber type seal is this correct and how do i install
these rope type seals
================
The correct thing to do with that rope seal is to install it in the nearest
circular file [rubbish can].

Get the Ford 460 seal, $7 at the Ford dealer. Get 2 while yer at it. I install
the split a teeny bit, about 1/8" offset from the block-cap split. apply the
thinnest layer of aviation permatex to the seal ends, and oil or grease on the
lip. Similar permatex on the #5 main cap at the split. Where it touches the
block.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:01:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: pre-65 european vent tube

- --pre-65 engine crankcase ventilation tube-- p.24

I think I4ll try to install the original design. Fusick is looking for such
a tube for me. If they have no success, I think it should be no problem to
make one. I have a very good picture from my 56 showroom album so this
could work and then it would be a real HOMCV-System.<g>
================
I have a nifty illustration that shows all this.

Now, how do we get it across the pond?

I have no scanner technology. :-(
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:04:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 68-9 conv inner panels

- --convertible inner panels--
something with it...hense the imperitiveness of the situation...the door
panels condition....IS NOT IMPORTANT....all I need are the inner steel
upper pieces to make a set of Year One door panels useable...so
condition...color.....not important...just need to be for a convertible
thats it...thanx Don......Hoagie
==============

Hey, try Robt. & Pam Fisher
Charlotte, MI
517-543-1768

I sold 'em a 68 conv project car a while back, it just might have had extra
panels you need.

Tell 'em the guy who sold you the project sent ya.

Pump em for info on how it's doing, too, and if they were happy, 'kay?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:05:04 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 67 cutlass parts

At 11:30 PM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Looking for front fenders and anything else of intrest for my 67 post
>car.
>
>Appreciate Any Help,
>Ray Diehl
>
>412-279-1736
>

Ray

        We have a very nice set of front fenders for a 67. They are $600.00
a pair, plus shipping. Where abouts do you live? Is your 67 a Cutlass or
442? We have lots of 67 parts for either.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757) 474-0869 

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:05:43 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: California events

Ooops,

You missed an Olds meet on the 5th in Lake Tahoe and on OCTOBER 11-12th
the Goodguys California Nostalgia Fuel & Gas Championship at Sears Point
in Sonoma, 

If you delay a little....On NOVEMBER 8 & 9th - Goodguys 7th Autumn
Get-Together Pleasanton Fairgrounds. All years, American powered cars
and trucks. Outdoor show & shine featuring trucks, huge swap meet, and
exhibit.

I plan to have my "almost" completed '55 Olds there. Don't think the
upholstery will be quite done yet.

Gary Andresen
Pleasanton, CA

william goodnight wrote:
> 
> I am considering a quick trip to see family in the Bay Area of California in
> the next few weeks.  Does anyone know of any OCA or Rod & Custom events near
> the end of Oct.?
> Bill Goodnight
> Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:09:13 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: pre-65 european vent tube

At 12:01 AM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
Chris

        Is this the one that attached to the snorkel on the air cleaner. If
so I think I have a complet one. Even the part that goes in the vavle cover.
It came off a 64 V-8 F-85.

Jim Chermack


>--pre-65 engine crankcase ventilation tube-- p.24
>
>I think I4ll try to install the original design. Fusick is looking for such
>a tube for me. If they have no success, I think it should be no problem to
>make one. I have a very good picture from my 56 showroom album so this
>could work and then it would be a real HOMCV-System.<g>
>================
>I have a nifty illustration that shows all this.
>
>Now, how do we get it across the pond?
>
>I have no scanner technology. :-(
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 23:30:17 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

How does the car run? You might want to investigate a vacuum leak on
those intake runners - this will act exactly like a miss. However
usually it is on 2 opposing cylinders instead of on the same side. Maybe
your intake gasket has sucked through on those cylinders?


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"


P.S. I had a DEAD miss on cyl#5 and 8 once, I pulled the plugs out and
tested them for fire, they were fine. I was sure I had a valve stuck
open or something drastic, but it turned out to be a missing vacuum cap
on that runner.

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:50:01 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: A story I heard

..statement that there was a strike at GM in 71...

The story is pure B.S. My dad worked for GM then.   The big strike for 
GM was in 73.  The 72 model year design was in stone by the Detroit Auto 
Show well in advance of the fall release date.  The concept cars come in 
around 3 years or so earlier!  Oldsmobile did not build greatness in one 
season!
     
Mike Rothe
     
     Mike,
     
     I certainly don't doubt your dad's experience, and after thinking 
     about it, I have to agree that design and tooling for the 72 models 
     would have had to have been in place for some time prior to the actual 
     model year.  
     
     On the other hand, I distinctly remember the strike story from a 
     number of sources, including period auto magazines.  (Of course, in 
     the aerospace business, we like to point out that a lie told twice is 
     corroborated.)  :-)  In addition, as I've noted in my prior post, the 
     72s don't fit GM's prior 2 year minor change/4 year major change 
     pattern of the prior eight years.  Now, this certainly may have been a 
     conscious change, as Detroit at the time was talking about getting 
     away from frequent styling changes and putting the effort into 
     engineering improvements.  
     
     (Trivia alert:  Remember the promise when the Vega was released as a 
     71 model not to change the styling for five years and instead to make 
     only engineering improvements?  This, of course, was forgotten after 
     only three model years...)
     
     On the other hand, in prior years, even the minor styling changes (68 
     to 69, for example) involved new stampings for the hood, bumpers, core 
     support, and often the trunklid, in addition to new tooling for the 
     grilles, headlight doors, taillights, and assorted trim.  Looking at 
     the differences between the 71 and 72 cars, however, one sees only 
     changes which could be implemented very quickly, namely different 
     molded plastic grilles and taillight lenses.  In fact, the 71 and 72 
     442s even use exactly the same molded grille, with only the black and 
     silver paint reversed.
     
     To me, this clearly indicates a decision very late in the game to 
     extend this body style for one more year.  Maybe there were delays in 
     the development of the new (for 73) car (which was originally slated 
     for a 72 release) and a late decision had to be made to soldier on 
     with the old models (not that _that_ would ever happen - witness the 
     70 1/2 F-bodies - or even better, the GM10 introduction).  Maybe the 
     strike story was a convenient way for GM brass to blame their own 
     screw-ups on the unions (this is starting to sound believable).
     
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 97 23:16:33 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[4]: Tri-Carb Set-up

I thought Pontiac disobeyed GM and still offered the tri-power in '67.
     
Daren
     
     Nope, not from the factory, anyway.  There may have been some 
     dealer-installed units on 67s (as there were likely dealer-installed 
     Olds tri-powers on 67s as well - the hardware was available over the 
     parts counter at what now seem like outrageously low prices).
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 00:14:15 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: 69 442 paint scheme

I have a 69 442...The sticker has the W42 Dual Stripe Hood option.  I 
know the fender stripes are correct for a 68.  Could they have put them 
on because it was a showroom car?  If somebody knows the answer could you 
please let me know where you got the info.
     
     Clay,
     
     I can find no reference to the fender stripes in any of my sales 
     literature or order forms for 69.  As you have noted, the W42 hood 
     stripes (mandatory for all W-cars that year) _were_ a 1969 option, but 
     the rally stripes on the front fenders were 68 only.  I suspect 
     someone liked the 68 effect and added them to the 69 after the car was 
     delivered.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 00:23:59 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: distributors

OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has to be 
replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
     
     Hey Bob,
     
     You'll get no resistance from me!
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 00:09:31 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Trivia question on 72s

     All this talk about the 1972 A-bodies brings to mind an interesting 
     (well, at least to _me_ it's interesting) question about the 72 H/Os.  
     1972 was the first year to see the engine code as the fifth digit of 
     the VIN.  Now, we all know about the famous "X" code, signifying a 
     W-30 that year.  We also know that the 442, which had reverted to an 
     option package on the Cutlass line, was available on only four models:
     
     Model                      Body Style      VIN with W-30 engine
     
     Cutlass HT                 3287            3F87X2M......
     Cutlass S Sport Coupe      3677            3G77X2M......
     Cutlass S HT               3687            3G87X2M......
     Cutlass Supreme Convert    4267            3J67X2M......
     
     But wait.  The 72 H/O was also available with the W-30 as an option.  
     The H/O was based on the Cutlass Supreme Convertible (4267 body style) 
     and Hardtop (4257).  Assuming the W-30 was installed by Olds at the 
     factory prior to delivery of the cars to Hurst, the VIN for the 
     Hardtop H/Os should begin 3J57X2M......, making these the only "57" 
     style (notchback) cars with an "X" VIN.
     
     Jon Wessel or others, is this true?  While most will consider this a 
     trivial matter, I think it's kind of cool.  And, to resurrect last 
     week's thread, I submit that 72 H/Os were the only Supreme HTs ("57" 
     body) to come from the factory with an O.A.I. hood as well.  H*ll, I'm 
     on a roll for instigating controversy; might as well keep it up ;-)
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:33:38 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta: Shot Myself in the Foot

> leaks. I did note that the TVS switch on the air cleaner had been
> disconnected, but I don't know if I knocked it off in removing the
> cleaner or not. It controls vacuum to the choke vacuum break and to the
> air cleaner thermac valve.

Are your idle problems with the engine cold, warm, or both?  I'd double
check that vacuum break.  If it was disconnected before you "fixed"
things, try disconnecting it again and see what happens.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:45:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Popps51@aol.com
Subject: old olds parts

Can anyony give me a line on a gas cap and wiper motor for a 27 Oldsie ?

John Brocato
popps51@aol.com
Chicago area
51 S88
27 4 dr.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:53:46 -0400
From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
Subject: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 00:36:44 -0400
From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
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Well I have been reading and watching for the past year or so and I
unfortunatelly now have a problem of my own.

The other day I drove my 83 H/O to work for probably the last time of
the season (already frost in upstate NY). I ran great in the cool
morning air but, that was then.

When I went to go home I couldnt get her to fire. Heres the symptons on
what I checked.

Good Gas flow
Good battery
Ohmed out the coil looked good according to my Hanes book #'s
Checked spark on plug wire - seemed ok
Dirstributor rotation looked ok
Didtributor not loose

Still will not evan fire. It also sounds funny so after a long Sunday
afternoon I towed it home tonight and returned it to its cozy garage
space. The engine is around 90,000 miles but has run real strong all
summer. I am thinking of pulling the spark plugs and valve cover to
check operation( cam problem, timimg chain or worse). I dont think that
I could have all the spark plugs fouled especially after sitting a
couple days. It also seems to flood out after several cranks.
	Please any ideas or thoughts are greatly apprecited since I have to get
her going by March. That seems like a long time away but hope to take
care of this myself instead of hauler off to the garage for them to
screw her up.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:17:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

>After all of the time, effort, and money that I've put into my '78 Delta
>(350 4bbl.), I can't seem to shake a steady miss in cylinders 3 and 5. 

Steady as in all the time, under any conditions, temp, load, throttle
opening, etc?

>When I had the car in at the auto shop, I had it hooked up to the engine
>analyzer, and it ran through it's normal battery of tests.  There is one
>test where the analyzer will shut off one cylinder at a time, and then
>calculate how many revs the engine dropped. 
>
>For most cylinders, it ranged from -19 to -55, but on cylinders three
>and five, the results were +1 and +5!  What that says is that when
>cylinder five is shut off, the engine speeds up 5rpm!  So, I pulled all
>the plugs out of the left bank, and they all look the same (less than
>1200km on them).  They all were showing normal burn patterns!  I
>compression tested all cyl.'s in that bank, and here are the results:
>
>#1--136
>#3--140
>#5--142
>#7--135
>
>Doesn't that eliminate a faulty head gasket?  There's no coolant in the

Yup, that pretty much does rule out a blown head-gasket, which would have
been my first guess (since I did this myself a couple weeks back...).

>oil, and it only shoots white smoke at cold start-up, so that ~has~ to
>rule that out.  The dist. cap, rotor, wires and plugs are all new (cap &
>rotor el cheapo), and I just finished having the carb professionally
>rebuilt.  

Are you sure that the #3 and #5 wires are not crossed, or that there is no
crossfire between them? It sounds like an ignition problem, since the fuel
system seems OK (they're on different planes in the intake anyhow) and your
compression is fine. One other thing; though the wires are new, which brand
are they, and are they custom-fit or cut-to-fit? Not all new wires are good
wires.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:42:04 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: Book

Hi Joe,

I've got a factory parts manual through '78.
I'd be glad to help you out, and offcourse anyone else on the list!
Just give me a good discription of the part and your car, and I'll get beack
to you with the GM #'s.
Just remember I'm in the digest-mode and at the other side of the ocean
and get the digests only during week days!

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands.
'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC (Yes Lisa, the longest title I
could think of...)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: dessicant?

I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.

Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat shop?

Thanks,

Jon Wessel

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 03:37:28 -0000
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

Clarence,
                Not sure if this will work or not. Haven't ever tried it
myself, but I have heard of using charcoal  to absorb moisture. Might be
worth a try. Let me know if it works.
                                                             KRB

- ----------
> From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: dessicant?
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 2:27 AM
> 
> At 01:24 AM 10/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as
they are
> >blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of
the
> >motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at
this
> >rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.
> >
> >Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
> >dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat
shop?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Jon Wessel
> >
> 
> Jon,
> 
> You can put desiccant in the bags.  Desiccant is a crystal substance the
> absorbes moisture.  Its blue in color when still good and when it has
> asorbed as much as it can it will turn pink in color .  We use it at work
to
> help keep our avionics parts dry.  This is one way that might keep your
> parts from rusting.
> Its worth a try, I would think.
> 
> I hope that this might help.
> 
> 
> Clarence
> 86 Olds Cutlass 4dr 307
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:06:51 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)

Thanks - since my trans buddy is back - he came to the same conclusion but
still wants me to check the modulator too.  Now on the way home the '64
pulls the same thing - wont shift out of 1st (its a 2 speed though, more
manageable) and I suspect sitting for 6 years and then being pressed into
service 3 days running has totalled a vacuum line.

Thanks again - I'm relieved I know more about what makes a trans work then
I thought.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:04:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

>my time...19.0 seconds!  Yess!!  My best yet.  :-)

Thanks for the laugh at all you accomplished in that 19.0 seconds.  The
week before my '67 sighed to death in the driveway she made a final pass at
19.29 - :o


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:38:07 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A story I heard

>      Mike,
> 
>      I certainly don't doubt your dad's experience, and after thinking
>      about it, I have to agree that design and tooling for the 72 models
>      would have had to have been in place for some time prior to the actual
>      model year.

Joe, I made another post correcting my own self.  I called my dad, and
he said that I was a dumba*s.  It was in 71, but there wasn't any talk
about redesign for 72 that he remembered.  He said that if that were the
case, the employee's usually knew about the "new" cars about 6 months
before the general public.  Anyway, I have recanted myself, and I
apologized.  My memory doesn't serve me too well anymore I imagine.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 02:48:16 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 66  Toronado parts

We definitely want the front bumper piece for the '66.  Send address for
sending money.  What about shipping - should go UPS ground OK.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:05:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta: Shot Myself in the Foot

A little more info on this I neglected to include... I don't think it's
the air cleaner thermac assembly, as it idles rough in gear whether it's
on there or not. It starts instantly hot or cold, so it's nothing to do
with that part of the system. The rough, slow idle is most apparent when
the engine is warmed up. Performance at speed is unaffected, and the car
has all of the power it always did when on the move. 

I wonder if some dirt got lodged in the idle jets when I shot all of the 
cleaner in there. If that's the case, what's a good way to try and get 
rid of it? More cleaner? The old trick of stalling out the motor by 
covering the carb opening and choking it off at a fast idle? Still 
desperate, I'd like to get this fixed tonight if I can. TIA...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 06:20:54 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Trivia question on 72s

At 12:09 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
        It's true. They did offere the W-30 in the 57 series. I passed one
up and now I kick myself in the shorts for it.

Jim Chermack

>
>     All this talk about the 1972 A-bodies brings to mind an interesting 
>     (well, at least to _me_ it's interesting) question about the 72 H/Os.  
>     1972 was the first year to see the engine code as the fifth digit of 
>     the VIN.  Now, we all know about the famous "X" code, signifying a 
>     W-30 that year.  We also know that the 442, which had reverted to an 
>     option package on the Cutlass line, was available on only four models:
>     
>     Model                      Body Style      VIN with W-30 engine
>     
>     Cutlass HT                 3287            3F87X2M......
>     Cutlass S Sport Coupe      3677            3G77X2M......
>     Cutlass S HT               3687            3G87X2M......
>     Cutlass Supreme Convert    4267            3J67X2M......
>     
>     But wait.  The 72 H/O was also available with the W-30 as an option.  
>     The H/O was based on the Cutlass Supreme Convertible (4267 body style) 
>     and Hardtop (4257).  Assuming the W-30 was installed by Olds at the 
>     factory prior to delivery of the cars to Hurst, the VIN for the 
>     Hardtop H/Os should begin 3J57X2M......, making these the only "57" 
>     style (notchback) cars with an "X" VIN.
>     
>     Jon Wessel or others, is this true?  While most will consider this a 
>     trivial matter, I think it's kind of cool.  And, to resurrect last 
>     week's thread, I submit that 72 H/Os were the only Supreme HTs ("57" 
>     body) to come from the factory with an O.A.I. hood as well.  H*ll, I'm 
>     on a roll for instigating controversy; might as well keep it up ;-)
>     
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>     
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:14:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al 

Hi Luke,
Regarding the Magnum roller tip rockers.  I'm assuming you're talking about
the
setup from Comp Cams.  If so, i'm running these rockers on my 455 and so is a
buddy of mine.  I think it's a good kit.  The kit contains the rockers,
rocker balls,
lock nuts, guide plates and studs.  The kit installs without machining and
it's all
quality parts.  The only thing I didn't use was the supplied nuts.  I bought
a set of
posi locks instead.  As far as noisy, I don't think they're any noisier than
stock 
rockers.  Hope you find the info helpful.

Mark Berube
Loganville, GA.
67' 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:59:29 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

At 04:53 AM 10/15/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Message-ID: <3444485C.2948@global2000.net>
>Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 04:36:44 +0000
>From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
>Reply-To: nlamboy@global2000.net
>Organization: NL Industries
>X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U)
>To: oldsmobile@chebutco.ns.ca
>Subject: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
>Mime-Version: 1.0
>Content-Type: Text/Plain;
>	charset=us-ascii
>
>Well I have been reading and watching for the past year or so and I
>unfortunatelly now have a problem of my own.
>
>The other day I drove my 83 H/O to work for probably the last time of
>the season (already frost in upstate NY). I ran great in the cool
>morning air but, that was then.
>
>When I went to go home I couldnt get her to fire. Heres the symptons on
>what I checked.
>
>Good Gas flow
>Good battery
>Ohmed out the coil looked good according to my Hanes book #'s
>Checked spark on plug wire - seemed ok
>Dirstributor rotation looked ok
>Didtributor not loose
>
>Still will not evan fire. It also sounds funny so after a long Sunday
>afternoon I towed it home tonight and returned it to its cozy garage
>space. The engine is around 90,000 miles but has run real strong all
>summer. I am thinking of pulling the spark plugs and valve cover to
>check operation( cam problem, timimg chain or worse). I dont think that
>I could have all the spark plugs fouled especially after sitting a
>couple days. It also seems to flood out after several cranks.
>	Please any ideas or thoughts are greatly apprecited since I have to get
>her going by March. That seems like a long time away but hope to take
>care of this myself instead of hauler off to the garage for them to
>screw her up.
>
>
>
>This may be a guess in the dark but here goes try checking the ignition module.
most parts house's will check them for you if you take it off and take it
down to them.


Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d  

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 05:03:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Cyl.'s 3&5, steady miss...

After all of the time, effort, and money that I've put into my '78
Delta
(350 4bbl.), I can't seem to shake a steady miss in cylinders 3 and 5. 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

     Don't know if this helps but here's what happened to a 70
Toronado that I worked on for somebody recently. One of the cylinders
had a dead miss.....it ran no worse with that plug wire disconnected.
So we did a compression test...all were OK! So I set the carb mixture.
Guess what? It was WAY too lean! Now all the cylinders fire! This
motor was recently rebuilt and evidently never fine tuned afterward. 
 
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:41:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Trivia question on 72s

In a message dated 97-10-15 06:23:17 EDT, you write:

<<  I submit that 72 H/Os were the only Supreme HTs ("57" 
 >     body) to come from the factory with an O.A.I. hood as well.  H*ll, I'm

 >     on a roll for instigating controversy; might as well keep it up ;-) >>


Joe -

The SXs (Supreme/Series 57 style) had the OAI option available in 71 and 72.
 In fact, the 70 SX W-32 I am buying has an original one.   I think they look
great without the hood stripes on the 57 body, my wife (did you meet Tait at
the show?) however is not as enamoured of them.  She calls them "nostrils".
 To which I reply, "nostrils are good for BREATHING!"

Tom

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:58:06 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: '64 N98 Chrome Wheels

I've looked at Ron Forsee's '65 442 Holiday Coupe at the owners registry
at www.442.com. What a beauty and what a story!
I very much like the wheels and the idea that they're original, and that
made me wonder. Were there any optional Chrome wheels in 1964?
If so, what's the code or part# for them and even more important, where
can I buy them? (haha, I know, not at the 7-11).

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:53:41 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: 330 intake

At 12:31 AM 10/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ladies and Gents,
>	
>	Does any one have need of a 67' 330  iron 4 barrel intake B4 I trash it
>??????
>
>						The General
>
Mr.Gen,
  Although I just picked up a 350 intake that will suit my needs,I would be 
possibly interested in yours.How much?
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:30:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Radiator

In a message dated 97-09-29 12:40:44 EDT, you write:

<< ins are green... :p ), but looks up something in his book and says he can
 give me a brand-new Modine unit with lifetime warranty for $132, and yes,
 it's in stock. >>


      Hey Doc Bob,
                          Could you have the guy look up a new rad for an '80
OLDS TORONADO Diesel 350 with auto tranny and oil cooler lines? Mine is in
need of repair but if its cheap enough it would pay for me to get a new one.

                   Thanks,
                               Ed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 20:35:20 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: question about rear end gearing

 YES!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
>
>
>>then you have tranny slippage and there is
>>probable a couple more things I can't think of right of hand. 
>      
>Is it me or is my grammar getting worser :o
>
>Daren
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:54:41 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: FS Rallye 350

In the local paper there has been an ad for a Rallye 350.  Last evening
I stumbled across the car by chance.  I was able to look it over inside
and out.  The asking price is $17,000!!!!  The car is restored(?) and in
need of serious attention.  It has a modified 455 with J heads, a big
nasty looking micro switch for the kickdowm on the TH400, a large hole
in the dash for the aftermarket stereo, the underside of the hood,
firewall and core support painted yellow, chrome hood hinges and
radiator hold down panel, fresh paint with plenty of orange peel and the
original stripes (at least we know it's not a fake) have been retained
after careful masking.  On the good side, the owner claims to have the
original engine that goes with the sale along with the remaining
original parts.  It did have 1970 fenders on the front and the car was
supposed to have came from Texas originally.  The interior appeared to
have the original seat covers still in place (buckets with console) and
possibly some work had been done to the door panels along the bottom. 
If anyone might be interested in salvaging what has the potential to be
a nice Rallye 350 here is the owners name and number.  
Ron Jeffers, 2030 N 7th St., Terre Haute, IN.  812-235-5213
I think it would be easy to correct with some time and money.  The car
is probably worth about $5,000 in my eyes, as it sets.  

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:11:05 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Hey guys!! I just joined  up.

Hey fellers,
I've got a 70 supreme with a 455,9.75 compression and 250hp nos system
blows head gaskets all day long.......why??  Eric Phillips   
babbott@pdnt.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:20:25 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

- -----Original Message-----
From: Adcock, Jason K. <jadcock@vt.edu>
>I rev the engine to about 4000
>rpm...the lights make it down to...GREEN!  I throw it into Drive and listen


~for the tranny to blow to pieces~

I hope you didn't actually rev it to 4 grand and then put it in drive.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:32:39 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Sunday at the Races - the results

- -----Original Message-----
From: Easton,Jeffrey <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>

1/4 ET: 14.309  14.086  14.154  14.272  15.461  14.902  14.368

Pass¦5:  Lined up against friend's '86 turbo Regal.
on to an amazing 13.676@98.58mph.  I'm embarassed. :-)

The Turbo Regal was out of my league...

Get ride of the wheel spin and you shouldn't have any problems getting into
the 13s. With some tuning you might be able to knock that pesky hair dryer
six out.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 07:26:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

     Hey Jason, maybe we can race sometime, my 86 Cutlass against your
84! I'm sure the spectators could get a hot dog during the race and
still make it back to the stands for the finish! :0
     Now I am curious as to how 'fast' mine is (isn't). Might be worth
a trip to MIR (Md Intl Raceway) to find out! Robin used to have a
Do%ge Shadow 2.2 non-turbo AT that ran 19.20s.......I hope the Olds is
faster!
     
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:30:56 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Edelbrock heads

Hey fellers,
Anybody  got any new info on the new olds heads??    price??? availability??

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 09:34:59 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: any really fast olds out there??

I go 12.20  and I want to go faster!!!!! Tell me what ya got and how ya got
there.
Thanks,Eric.
babbott@pdnt.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:45:01 GMT
From: Terry Ford <terry@trades.net>
Subject: Re: Hey guys!! I just joined  up.

At 09:11 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey fellers,
>I've got a 70 supreme with a 455,9.75 compression and 250hp nos system
>blows head gaskets all day long.......why??  Eric Phillips   
>babbott@pdnt.com
>
>
>
Try to use a good quality Copper Gasket - The standard gaskets are not
designed for the enormous amount of pressure being created by the addition
of the nos system. Also - keep in mind all gaskets are not created equal!

You will find different thicknesses - Be careful! To thick of a gasket will
lower compression - to thin of a gasket will Possibly Burn or get very hot
and cause detonation.

Try using a gasket that is.041 thick - I have used this gasket many times
without any problems:
Mondello number -PT-510(fel-pro gasket) 

I am a member of a pit crew for the "Ditch Witch" Top alcohol Funny car.
We are 5th in points this year (IHRA) - We run a 14-71 Blower and know that
ALL GASKETS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL!!!

Try a few different types - I'm sure you'll get it worked out!

This is assuming all mating surfaces are flat!
Don't overlook this!

If worse comes to worse try going to a Head "Stud" instead of a Bolt!
Use of "Studs" usually will result in a better compression seal!
Mondello part number -HS360

If you have A "TON" of money - Get your heads "O"-ringed! -
But don't forget to take the Brinks truck with you when you go to pick them
up from the shop! :)


Have Fun-
Terry

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:52:24 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

No, I didn't.  It seems that folks didn't like my little parody about how
if I'd take MY car to the races, I'd be matched with the timekeeper's
wife's minivan or something similar!  Oh, well.  I guess I'll go try my
comedy on someone else.  <<sulking away>>

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> >I rev the engine to about 4000
> >rpm...the lights make it down to...GREEN!  I throw it into Drive and listen
> 
> ~for the tranny to blow to pieces~
> 
> I hope you didn't actually rev it to 4 grand and then put it in drive.

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:03:08 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Factory experimental engines and parts

I also have that issue.  If you will notice the green, single
overhead 
     cam 455 in the back row, notice that it has two Q-jet carbs on a 
     cross-ram type of manifold.  I actually obtained one of these
factory 
     cross rams at a swap meet years ago, and have it sitting in my 
     basement.
     
     Anyone ever see this engine or intake before?  Any info on the 
     distributor configuration used would be appreciated.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
- --
These experimental factory parts are extremely interesting to me. Who
else
here has come across interesting experimental parts from Olds? And how
would such things make their way into a swap meet?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
- ----------
There were a couple of experimental intakes at the Centennial swap meet.
One was supposedly used during '69 W-30 R&D. Of course I got the casting
numbers! It is EA18743, application 1969 experimental W-30. 4V.
Aluminum. Divorced choke.

The other (casting # 3ER-38086) was an experimental 350 CFI (central
fuel or throttle body injection). 2V. Aluminum. EGR. 3 bolt holes at
base for the injection unit, with 2 bolt hole towers toward rear of
manifold. Kind of odd looking.

I remember someone at the meet saying that R&D allowed people to install
the parts on their own cars and report on results. If this happened a
lot and is true, I would guess there might be a ton of "experiemental"
parts in the Lansing area.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:09:10 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Oil Plug size, 72 to 75 455 (9/16 to 7/8)

Just curious, changing the oil on my 72 455, and the oil plug takes a
7/8 socket.  All my 75's take a 9/16 socket.  Is this a year difference,
or an oversized plug?  If it's stock, when did they change?

Just wantin to know!
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mailto:big_olds@hotmail.com   See it all, click above
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- ----------
My '77 takes a 7/8" socket. I think all Olds V-8 oil pans use a 7/8"
socket. Maybe the '75 has an aftermarket plug? Some sort of magnetic
plug? Could it be that the '75 has a Pontiac 400 in it (that was used in
1975 88's and 98's, I beleive).
- --
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:54:15 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Hey guys!! I just joined  up.

On Wednesday, October 15, 1997 10:11 AM, babbott@pdnt.com
[SMTP:babbott@pdnt.com] wrote:
> Hey fellers,
> I've got a 70 supreme with a 455,9.75 compression and 250hp nos system
> blows head gaskets all day long.......why??  Eric Phillips   
> babbott@pdnt.com

Welcome to the list. You will find all the information you will need
about your car here from the list members.

Without knowing more information, such as how long it has been doing it,
compression readings, history of the engine ect....

I would guess you have warped heads or engine deck. Has your engine
overheated lately, that would cause the heads to warp. Improper torque
of the head bolts would do this also. Send more information about the
engine and history of the trouble and maybe we can be more specific.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:02:59 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: manuals

Go for at least two.  The factory service manual which is available from
many of the parts houses and the factory assembly manual.  It will guide
you in finding out just where the "thing-a-majig" goes.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


>----------
>From: 	dave[SMTP:dave70ss@ici.net]
>Sent: 	Saturday, 1997 October, 11 10:24 14:21
>To: 	olds
>Subject: 	manuals
>
>I would like to purchase a manual
>for my 71 c/s convertible. Which is the best one to buy?
>1971 service manual
>oldsmobile restoration guide
>or any others
>does anyone have any for sale?
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 08:02:35 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

This could be an interesting thread.  Who's got the slowest stock (good
running, in good tune) Olds?  :-)

I think my '79 w/ the 260 could have been a real contender!  Unless
somebody has either the 260 diesel or a '77 Cutlass with the 260. . .

John Pajak wrote:

>      Hey Jason, maybe we can race sometime, my 86 Cutlass against your
> 84! I'm sure the spectators could get a hot dog during the race and
> still make it back to the stands for the finish! :0

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 10:21:56 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

> I would, but I don't think you'd want it.  It's eating 2qt's oil w/
> every tank of fuel.
> 
>     Jeremy
> 

Then there is something wrong with that engine, my 75 Old's 98 with 
455 ci, racing cam, duals, splitfires, 850 holly double pumper, 
TH-400 racing trainy, and 161,000 miles, use's only 1 quart every 2 
weeks......
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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