
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, November 10 1997      Volume 01 : Number 947



Re: Extru-hone alternatives
Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body
Re: Toronado for sale
Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body
Re: '84 Cruise Control
Re: ratty 76 Cutlass
Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body
Re: ratty 76 Cutlass
Re: brake lite on
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Swivel Buckets 4 sale
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
Re: Greetings
Re: Greetings
Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C
Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....
Re: Ratty Cutlass
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
Engine ID
Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale
200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: Engine ID
Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale
Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....
Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET
'70 442 Fenders & Cowl Hood Needed
AC & non-AC Firewalls
Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: virus alert]
WTB speedo adapter
starfire side trim panes
A-body rear ends
Re: Engine ID
Re: starfire side trim panes
Re: Engine ID
Journey to Chi-town
'63 Starfire FS
UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Side Trim
Stolen Car
Tinkering, Junque Yards, etc.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:25:12 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Extru-hone alternatives

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Extrude-hone alternatives:
> 
> What about something that uses gravity and air pressure
>  with no moving parts?    TIM
> ===============
> Intriguing concept [note Olds content already...] TIM, care to expand on that
> theory? How does one move a slurry of abrasive paste & water up, say, 10 feet,
> using air, and no moving parts? That'd be GREAT.

....(Greg once again pipes up from the peanut gallery:)

Just had another idea occur to me: (For some reason I'm just full of
sh*t on this topic.:)  


How about using an auger bit to push the goop through the manifold? 
Auger runs in a trough of the stuff, and then pushes it down a pipe to
the manifold.  


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme 
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:16:23 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body

> ll available brand-new .   Some  76- later fullsizepassenger cars (typically police cars , station wagons or heavy-duty towing packages) used 12" rotors with a 5X5 inch wheel bolt pattern. The caliper was the same, but the spindle was  different. For the ultimate in braking, the larger rotor and spindle can be  used if desired with the above convertion kits. They'll also bolt directly  onto those 70-81F-, 73-77A-, 75-79X or 76-up B-cars originally equipped with the "sister" 11-inch Components.

        Don, you noted here that the 12" rotors would bolt directly onto the 73-77 A-body cars originally equipped with the 11" ones.  Is that using the original 11" 73-77 A-body spindles?  Or are these spindles different as well?  I just got a bit confused there because you said at the top of this section I've got pasted that the spindle was different but down at the bottom you said that the 12" rotor would bolt onto the '76-up B-bodies.  If I wanted to put 12" rotors on my '76 Cutlass, would I need to chance the spindles?--
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:28:53 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Toronado for sale

> From: Robert Barry 
> 
> BTW, how much did they want for it? I'd love a '68-'69 Riv GS to go with
my
> '69 Toro! Don't be embarassed, though; they share the same basic body
shell
> and glass

I don't mean to be heretical, but Rivieras are fabulous cars.  They easily
match the style of the best of Olds, in my opinion.  
BTW there's a movie recently released called "The Ice Storm", set in 1973. 
A few Cutlasses from a distance, but there is a 1971 Riviera front and
centre in several long sequences.  Very nice ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 97 23:02:32 PST
From: Don R Brower <bhouse@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body

Re:

> ll available brand-new .   Some  76- later fullsizepassenger cars
(typically police cars , station wagons or heavy-duty towing packages)
used 12" rotors with a 5X5 inch wheel bolt pattern. The caliper was
the same, but the spindle was  different. For the ultimate in braking,
the larger rotor and spindle can be  used if desired with the above
convertion kits. They'll also bolt directly  onto those 70-81F-,
73-77A-, 75-79X or 76-up B-cars originally equipped with the "sister"
11-inch Components.

        Don, you noted here that the 12" rotors would bolt directly
onto the 73-77 A-body cars originally equipped with the 11" ones.  Is
that using the original 11" 73-77 A-body spindles?  Or are these
spindles different as well?  I just got a bit confused there because
you said at the top of this section I've got pasted that the spindle
was different but down at the bottom you said that the 12" rotor would
bolt onto the '76-up B-bodies.  If I wanted to put 12" rotors on my
'76 Cutlass, would I need to chance the spindles?--
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

   screech: I think what the article is saying is that yes a 12-inch rotor	will fit your spindles but if you want the same bolt pattern and not the      5X5 you have to use the rotor from 1LE F-car part# 18016035 so you can keep the 5X4 3/4 pattern or you will have to redrill the other 12-inch rotors.	

                    Don B.
     	66 cutlass					66 F85						www.bhouse@seanet.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:11:24 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '84 Cruise Control

At 07:08 PM 11/9/97 -0800, you wrote:
Tom

        Vacuum for the cruise goes through the firewall to the brake switch
to diengage the cruise when you brake. 

Jim Chermack



>The cruise control on my '84 H/O isn't working correctly.  It worked great
until
>last week.  The car surges when the cruise control is on, and the full
>throttle/no throttle surging is so violent that it kicks the cruise off after a
>few seconds and then everything is back to normal.
>
>I was looking under the hood hoping to find something obvious, like a cracked
>vacuum hose or loose connector.  Instead, I found that the larger hose from the
>cruise control goes into some split wire-loom and then down through the
firewall
>below the power brake booster.  Can anyone explain to me what this hose is for?
>
>Or should I just go ahead and replace the whole cruise brain and save myself
>headaches?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Tom Lentz
>tlentz@ior.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:16:38 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: ratty 76 Cutlass

At 10:53 PM 11/9/97 -0500, you wrote:
Trevor

        Nope. They did not install anything but 10 bolt rears in A-bodies
after 70. They all used a corperate 10 bolt 8.5 rear up until the newer ones
that got down sized. You may be able to install a Olds "O" type 12 bolt or a
Ch*vy 12 bolt into the 73-77 body.

Jim Chermack

>        But enough talk of my Chevy engine, I promised I'd try not to speak
of it,
>but what I AM looking for is a 12-bolt Oldsie rear that'll bolt into the
'73-'77
>A-body frame.  I found out that up til '72 the upper control arms were about 3"
>closer together than in '73-'77 and then in '78 they went back to exactly
the same
>design as the pre-'73 rear ends!!  I believe Mr. Charley Buehner could
verify this
>- if I recall correctly it was his page that I dropped by and saw that he had a
>pre-'73 rear end in his '81 Cutlass with the 425 SuperRocket.   I don't know if
>Olds put out a 12-bolt in '73-'77 or not.  Anybody out there know yes or no
on this
>one?  I haven't seen/heard of one yet.
>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
>mailto:lee@mergetel.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:19:37 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: 12" Disc Brake doner car for 67 A- body

>    screech: I think what the article is saying is that yes a 12-inch rotor      will fit your spindles but if you want the same bolt pattern and not the      5X5 you have to use the rotor from 1LE F-car part# 18016035 so you can keep the 5X4 3/4 pattern or you will have to redrill the other 12-inch rotors.

        Ok, great...thanks so much, Don!  Having lots of stopping power has always been a concern of mine since this time I was racing a guy in a tricked out gas-powered Jetta with my Monte Carlo and I came over a hill and I see this old couple in a Tempo doing about 45mph (I was up around 85 at that point).
I was literally off my seat I was pulling on the steering wheel so hard to push the pedal as the breaks faded to almost nothing - there was not even a car length between myself and the Tempo as the smart-assed Jetta scooted out around me!!  I definately wanna go to the 12 inch discs with metallic pads and I'll
see what I can do about the rear brakes.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 01:24:57 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: ratty 76 Cutlass

>         Nope. They did not install anything but 10 bolt rears in A-bodies
> after 70. They all used a corperate 10 bolt 8.5 rear up until the newer ones
> that got down sized. You may be able to install a Olds "O" type 12 bolt or a
> Ch*vy 12 bolt into the 73-77 body.

        Unfortunately, without modifications (and serious ones at that) I would
never get a pre-'73 axle into the '76 frame.  The upper control arms are 3" closer
together than on the '73-'77 design.  Maybe I'll have to have some fabrication work
done.  Thanx very much!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:33:23 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: brake lite on

> What you got there, son, is a big electron stuck in the electical
> system. I bet
> there's other electrical problems that come & go as well. You need to
> put in a
> filter to trap the larger electrons. The 110V size just do not work
> well in a
> 12V system, sometimes they sneak in thru an unfiltered battery
> charger. ;-)

You'll need to be careful, though.  You hafta leave ~some~ of the bigger
electrons in there, they plug holes in the light system.  Take 'em out,
and you get light leaks that show up on the floorboards...

(Gawd, it must be Monday!!!!)

> 
- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:58:12 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

>         I've been meaning to ask this - what's the difference between
> the heads of Buicks and Oldsies (are Pontiacs the
> same way?) with the B, C, etc designations?  What different
> designations are there?

They are the same in that *(for V8's)* there are four combustion
chambers with two valves and a plug hole in each.  Umm, other than
that...  :)

Actually, the newer (year?) Olds heads were actually made by Pontiac, I
guess (noted by the "PMD" cast into 'em).  Somebody jump in here
anytime...  I don't have ~any~ verifiable sources to this....  I don't
know if there are any similarities in the newer Pontiac heads, either. 
Often wonderred.

> I was very fortunate when I did my engine, however - I
> found out that a guy I've known for a while
> actually OWNS a very well-respected hi-perf machine shop (The
> Balancing Act, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA,

Always helps!  Find out how much he knows about Olds.  It'd be a good
idea to test his experience, since these are just born to race!  (After
all, they ~all~ had forged rods, and all 425's had forged cranks, along
with ~some~ 455's...)  Get it with the Toro's big valves, and monster
oil pan, and you can't go wrong. 

> I really am fondling the idea of doing an Olds motor

***KEEP IT UP, FOLKS; HE'S STARTING TO CAVE!!!!!***  :)

> (I've been thinking about it for a while, actually)
> and recently after thumbing through the '97 GM Performance Parts
> catalogue I was thinking about the Olds DRCE (Drag Race
> Competition Engine).  

~Now~ we're talking ~big~ bucks.  Is ~that~ worth the $$$ saved in the
extra parts?  Gotta ask yourself that...  Alway's wonderred how those
would work out, though.

>         2.41, heck that's nothing - some of 'em came with 2.29s!!!!

That's what the Rockit came stock with, and a 260, no less.  Yuck.  Got
the 403 infront of 'em, and it moved, though...  Took forever to do it,
but it moved!  Stopwatched 'er up to 150 one night (several years from
now I'll be telling ~grandkids~ about that trip...)  Kinda miss 'em for
that, but love the acceleration much more...

>         I saw a '70 Chevelle with arms on it this past summer - the
> first time I saw a non-leaf car with 'em - that's
> what really grabbed my attention.  I always wondered if them made 'em
> for the coil suspensions or not.  Well, that
> pretty much answered it for me.

Umm, I don't think something was right, here.  	If it's something you
just happened to ~notice~ on a car, it's something different.  The coil
spring traction bars are actually upper control arm positioners.  You
don't see 'em unless you crawl under the car and actually look way up
there.  I'm giggling uncontrollably at the though of someone putting
leaf-style traction bars on a che*elle.  That's truly amusing...

>         Another idea I was toying with was taking a road trip next
> year and perhaps picking up another Cutlass around
> this year from somewhere in the southern 'States that's got no rust
> (mine was a Canadian-winter driven car up 'til 2
> years ago - YUCK!)  Then I could just swap the interior and what have
> you from my current one into the rustless Cutlass.

I'll keep my eyes open over here.  (They always are, when it comes to
Olds...)  There's a guy here who was looking to sell his a while back. 
Can't remember if it was '76 or '77.  Needed paint, had some bodywork
done to it, mostly in primer still.  Don't know what he wanted for it,
but it would be a project regardless...  I think it had buckets &
console, too.
 
>         Actually, the last time I got beat by a 403 TransAm was the
> last time I went out with my 305 Monte Carl-slow.
> =B)
Hmm...  :)

> Buick 430 from a Wildcat.  One thing
> that turned my bro and I off from building that
> thing yet was the cost of headers alone - $700.

Woof!

>         Deceptive it can be - I could see how skinny the 403 covers
> were when the 468 was sitting beside it - yet bone
> stock with 200K+ miles on 'er and she'd still light 'em up nice with
> posi 2.41s.  Many people I knew were shocked outta
> their socks that the thing almost pulled into the 15s.

Hmm.  Just ~imagine~ what a well-built one would have done...  ;)


>         I seriously am considering transplanting an Oldsie motor into
> the Cutlass,

***  I TOLD YA!!!  I TOLD YA!!!  HE'S STARTING TO GIVE IN...  IT'S
WORKING!!!!***  :)

> temporary Bowtie "handicap"

I'd always wonderred ~why~ municipalities didn't put ~bowties~ on the
handicapped parking spaces, instead of the wheelchair emblem.  It must
have been an embarassment issue, I guess I'd rather ride in a
wheelchair, too...  ;)

BTW (stands for "by the way"):  "IMNSHO" means "In My ~Not~ So Humble
Opinion," which Chris extended from the usual "IMHO."

- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:24:29 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

> >         I've been meaning to ask this - what's the difference between
> > the heads of Buicks and Oldsies (are Pontiacs the
> > same way?) with the B, C, etc designations?  What different
> > designations are there?
> They are the same in that *(for V8's)* there are four combustion
> chambers with two valves and a plug hole in each.  Umm, other than
> that...  :)



> Always helps!  Find out how much he knows about Olds.  It'd be a good
> idea to test his experience, since these are just born to race!  (After
> all, they ~all~ had forged rods, and all 425's had forged cranks, along
> with ~some~ 455's...)  Get it with the Toro's big valves, and monster
> oil pan, and you can't go wrong.

        Well...they've been in business for like 20 years building all
kinds of racing engines, so I'm sure the're far from ignorant on the
matter, but one of the owners runs a bigblock '70 Chevelle, so I doubt Olds
is his specialty...but you never know I guess!

> > I really am fondling the idea of doing an Olds motor
> ***KEEP IT UP, FOLKS; HE'S STARTING TO CAVE!!!!!***  :)

        He-he-he-he.

> > (I've been thinking about it for a while, actually)
> > and recently after thumbing through the '97 GM Performance Parts
> > catalogue I was thinking about the Olds DRCE (Drag Race
> > Competition Engine).
> ~Now~ we're talking ~big~ bucks.  Is ~that~ worth the $$$ saved in the
> extra parts?  Gotta ask yourself that...  Alway's wonderred how those
> would work out, though.

        C'mon now...can't be THAT much...I figure if I go with the aluminum
DRCE block...get my parents to RE-mortgage the house...sell all their
cars...sign an organ donor card.....how many pints of blood are in the
human body again?  =B)

> >         I saw a '70 Chevelle with arms on it this past summer - the
> > first time I saw a non-leaf car with 'em - that's
> > what really grabbed my attention.  I always wondered if them made 'em
> > for the coil suspensions or not.  Well, that
> > pretty much answered it for me.
> Umm, I don't think something was right, here.   If it's something you
> just happened to ~notice~ on a car, it's something different.  The coil
> spring traction bars are actually upper control arm positioners.  You
> don't see 'em unless you crawl under the car and actually look way up
> there.  I'm giggling uncontrollably at the though of someone putting
> leaf-style traction bars on a che*elle.  That's truly amusing...

        Well, that's basically what it was....they hooked around the axle
(I didn't want to actually lay on the ground and crawl under the car so I
couldn't see real good HOW they attached) and they had the rubber stops up
against the two frame rails believe it or not.

> I'll keep my eyes open over here.  (They always are, when it comes to
> Olds...)  There's a guy here who was looking to sell his a while back.
> Can't remember if it was '76 or '77.  Needed paint, had some bodywork
> done to it, mostly in primer still.  Don't know what he wanted for it,
> but it would be a project regardless...  I think it had buckets &
> console, too.

        I'd probably want to pick up a Cutlass that didn't need any body
work if possible.  If it needed paint and all that, it's no prob, but body
work is my main consideration if I'm to get another Cutlass from down
south.  BTW - what is the console like in the Cutlasses?  Was it the Monte
Carlo style shifter - just a straight rod coming up with a knob/button on
top?  Or was it like the Buick console that came in some Centuries and
Regals of the mid 70's that had the bar shifter like the late 60s
Chevelles?  That's what I wouldn't mind picking up is a console like that
from a Buick - although I think the console actually says "BUICK" on it.
Oh well...it'd be something I'd just have to live with I guess.

> > temporary Bowtie "handicap"
> I'd always wonderred ~why~ municipalities didn't put ~bowties~ on the
> handicapped parking spaces, instead of the wheelchair emblem.  It must
> have been an embarassment issue, I guess I'd rather ride in a
> wheelchair, too...  ;)

        <Screech politely grins, not saying a word>  =B)    Oh well...I've
been up all night writing/responding to this list, I'm going to bed.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 03:29:19 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

I've got a pair of swivel bucket seats from a '75 GM A-Body (Chevelle to
be exact) along with the seat belts.  They would require reupholstering
and I'm not going to be using them for a long time if ever, so I figured
I'd offer 'em to the list.  I'd like $40 for everything.  I'm about 10
minutes from Niagara Falls, Canada.  Does anybody know if these will fit
pre-'73 GM A-bodies?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 04:09:02 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________ 
65 442 Air Cleaner (top only, mint)  $175.00
66-67 Hood Hinges (nice sets)  $40.00 pr
66-67 400 4 bbl 4spd Air Cleaner unit (correct, top needs chrome) $45.00
67 400 442 #1111042 Distributor  $35.00
67-69 Power Antenna assm (nice, no switch)  $45.00
67-68 Big Cars AM/FM Stereo (nice, works well)  $95.00
64-72 330/350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00 
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00 
67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
70-71 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (nice)  $155.00
72 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (mint restored)  $200.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr

****Lots of  66-68 Toronado Parts too.****


New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea                             
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $50.00                                                   
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $10.00 ea
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $500.00 pr
66 Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $100.00 ea, 190.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00 
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00  
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $100.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
67 442/Cutlass Fenders (no rust)  $500.00 pr
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $100.00
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $45.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $100.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (good)  $30.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $100.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $175.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $25.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr 
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr 

69 Cutlass/442
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $135.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $175.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $35.00
69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $15.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $250.00 pr / $130.00 ea
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set                                 
68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $95.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $225.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $80.00 set
70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00 
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea (backordered)
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea             
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr                                        
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr                                        
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea                  
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $185.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $185.00
71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea 
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr            

We will be at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th of November in Chesapeake VA.

Jim Chermack
OCA #24275

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:04:34 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Greetings

> My name is Jeff. I'm from the Atlanta area. My dream car is a '71-'72 Cutlass
> 442 convert. Like a fool I let one go a few years ago and have been looking
> for a replacement since. I had a vending spot at the National Meet. My wife
> and I had such a nice time we took a long weekend about month later and flew
> up to Lansing to look around. I'm married with cats and the current
> newsletter editor for the Dixie Olds club. My hobbie is parting out '68-'72
> Olds then sharing, bartering, trading, selling off my finds.  Looking forward
> to hearing from you.

Hi Jeff!

You'll have to forgive my brain fart -- I can't remember your last name at
the moment.  I'm a member of Dixie Olds as well (that is, if my membership
hasn't expired!).  I joined up a while ago, long before Florida had its
own chapter (I'm in Gainesville, Florida).  I remember seeing the
newsletters signed "Jeff and Linda", and that's what prompted me to write.

Anyway, just wanted to welcome you to the list.  Say hello to Tom and
Shannon for me -- they gave me their e-mail address at Lansing, but now
for the life of me I can't find it.  Sigh . . .   :)  

8)
peg
1978 Cutlass Calais
1986 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 05:12:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Greetings

Oops -- this should've gone privately to Jeff, not to the list. My
bandwidth-eating apologies.

8)
peg


On Mon, 10 Nov 1997, Peg O'Connor wrote:

> > My name is Jeff. I'm from the Atlanta area. My dream car is a '71-'72 Cutlass
> > 442 convert. Like a fool I let one go a few years ago and have been looking
> > for a replacement since. I had a vending spot at the National Meet. My wife
> > and I had such a nice time we took a long weekend about month later and flew
> > up to Lansing to look around. I'm married with cats and the current
> > newsletter editor for the Dixie Olds club. My hobbie is parting out '68-'72
> > Olds then sharing, bartering, trading, selling off my finds.  Looking forward
> > to hearing from you.
> 
> Hi Jeff!
> 
> You'll have to forgive my brain fart -- I can't remember your last name at
> the moment.  I'm a member of Dixie Olds as well (that is, if my membership
> hasn't expired!).  I joined up a while ago, long before Florida had its
> own chapter (I'm in Gainesville, Florida).  I remember seeing the
> newsletters signed "Jeff and Linda", and that's what prompted me to write.
> 
> Anyway, just wanted to welcome you to the list.  Say hello to Tom and
> Shannon for me -- they gave me their e-mail address at Lansing, but now
> for the life of me I can't find it.  Sigh . . .   :)  
> 
> 8)
> peg
> 1978 Cutlass Calais
> 1986 Cutlass Supreme
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:04:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C

On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> just a side note, but dosen`t the non ac and ac cars use differant heater
> core`s?  i thought the tubes were at diff. angles.   anyone know?     steven.

Yep, exactly right, they are different.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:09:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....

Patrick,

The blue wire is for your rear channel. The tuner knob needs to have the 
fader switch installed for this to work. If the outer ring on that knob is a 
dummy, you'll just have a jumper mounted under that knob instead and will 
need to get a fader for the rear to work. 

I'm assuming we're talking an Olds Delco radio here.

On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Patrick Rose wrote:
> 	Well, that's just the thing! I'm not sure if it's in stereo (this
> is the stock radio that came with the car). On the dial it says "STEREO,"
> but where would I connect the second channel? I have spots for two 6x9s in
> the back like you said, so that's cool. Let's assume I have the speakers
> in the back and I've wired them to the front. This is where I'm totally
> lost. There is this blue wire on the side of the radio that wasn't
> connected to anything, which I thought was weird. The black wire I thought
> went to the antenna, is that the ground, too? So, we have 3 leads (one for
> power and 2 for the front speaker), and the mysterious blue wire. I would
> just assume by looking at the back that this is just a MONO radio but then
> what would be the point of taking the trouble to have it say STEREO on the
> face of the dial? I also agree with you that front and back stereo is kind
> of goofy-sounding. But hey, why not be different? ;-) Thanks for your
> help.
> 
> 
> 
> Pat
> 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 07:34:31 EST
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: Ratty Cutlass

>Yeah, GM did LOTS of stupid shtuff over the years. they put 260's in, 
>too, does
>that mean we should imitate them? Of course not!
>
>If you want to show 455-boy the finer points of Olds Power, I suggest 
>you
>direct your attentions to a nice 425 mill. That would be the OLDS 425 
>engine,
>of '65-67 vintage. Anyone else have one around there? Thought not.
>--

     I have one.  Mine is in my Delta, circa 1966. And now I have an
owners manual that identifies it as a Hi Perf 2 bbl.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:13:08 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

Just something of another point I have a spare J-2 tri-power, Intake and
carbs more then happy to sell cheap


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com


- ----------
> From: CCRR12@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 57 OLDS J/2
> Date: Sunday, November 09, 1997 4:19 PM
> 
> Anybody have a 57? I would like to hear from another 57 owner. Currently
> doing
> my second restoration on this car I have owned since 1975.
> 
> Randy of Okla
> 57 88 HC

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:40:49 -0500
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Engine ID

Sat while wandering around the local yard i found an Olds engine on the
ground. It has 350 cast into the side of it.
It has Fuel injection. The yard owner doesn't remember what car he took
it from. It has 557752-3B behind the water pump. It also has 3A heads.
Note this is a big A not the small capitol A. When I first spotted it I
thought it was a Diesel but I saw the distributor. That prompted me to
look closer. What is this??? is it of intrest to anyone. I didn't
realize Olds had a fuel injected 350.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 08:53:35 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

 the seats should fit 73 and up  i believe 73 was the first year for those
seats
olds guy ga    aka   jeff

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 09:29:50 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

The shift to O.D. in a 200-4R / 3.73 combination should be around 28-32 mph
at part throttle according to the service manual..  My 1987 442 with this
combination stock shifts at 29 mph.  The governor should NOT be changed
with a rear axle change.  The transmission shifts at a specific output
shaft RPM which is basically directly related to engine RPM.  By changing
the rear axle, the speed (MPH) at which this shift occurs is different, but
the output shaft/engine speed is still the same.  The only time you want to
change a governor calibration is if you want to change the engine RPM shift
points or if you change something between the engine and the output shaft
such as internal gear ratios or torque converter "K" ratio (basically stall
speed).

BTW - I get around 16-17 MPG in town and 22-24 mpg on the highway with my
442 (307 H.O./3.73/200-4R/P215-65R15)

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:43:05 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Engine ID

>Sat while wandering around the local yard i found an Olds engine on the
>ground. It has 350 cast into the side of it.
>It has Fuel injection. The yard owner doesn't remember what car he took
>it from. It has 557752-3B behind the water pump. It also has 3A heads.
>Note this is a big A not the small capitol A. When I first spotted it I
>thought it was a Diesel but I saw the distributor. That prompted me to
>look closer. What is this??? is it of intrest to anyone. I didn't
>realize Olds had a fuel injected 350.


It is a 350 Olds out of a 78-9 Caddy Seville,  or if it had a funny looking
oil pan it is out od a 79 Eldorado.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:16:51 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

>  the seats should fit 73 and up  i believe 73 was the first year for those
> seats

        Was the mounting for the pre-'73 cars radically different then??
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:39:53 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....

>> sacrifice sound quality.  Of course, if it's in stereo, it's not the 
>> factory radio anymore, so stock might not be a major concern.
>> 
>	Well, that's just the thing! I'm not sure if it's in stereo (this
>is the stock radio that came with the car). On the dial it says "STEREO,"
>but where would I connect the second channel? I have spots for two 6x9s in
 [snip]
>just assume by looking at the back that this is just a MONO radio but then
>what would be the point of taking the trouble to have it say STEREO on the
>face of the dial? I also agree with you that front and back stereo is kind
>of goofy-sounding. But hey, why not be different? ;-) Thanks for your

Many GM cars, including my '69 Toro, have a front-back stereo radio from
the factory; in fact, there are no provisions for 6x9's in the back deck of
the Toro (which is apparently why somebody drilled some holes for
surface-mount speaker brackets... :( Anybody got a set of green '69 Toro
rear interior panels in good shape?).
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 10:43:41 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET

In a message dated 97-11-09 20:19:56 EST, you write:

<<  how the 4-4-2 could be transformed into a Q442
 competitor. >>
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hahhhhhhhh........esp. in the classic styling
dept, right..........ooooh, those front drivers r so much nicer than say, a
56 super 88 conv, 66 toro, and the 67
a-bodies..............LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:07:50 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: '70 442 Fenders & Cowl Hood Needed

GLENN CERA asked me if I could help him find the fenders and a cowl
induction hood for a '70 Cutlass 442, so I told him I'd put his message
on the list - his e-mail address is:
mailto:GACERA@prodigy.net
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:16:02 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: AC & non-AC Firewalls

> Well, the holes in the firewalls for the heater boxes are significantly
> different, so you'd have to do some "cut and paste" with a torch in there to
> make things fit. (I considered doing the opposite, and even got a non-A/C
> heater box, but then noticed the firewall stampings are completely different).

        Yea, Rob...I noticed this too on my '76 Cutlass.  I'm REMOVING the air and
I grabbed the blower fan shroud from another '76 Cutlass w/o air and I hold it up
to the firewall and found that the pan is an inch too narrow and an inch too
short!!  Well...time to get out the rivet gun!!  =B)  I'll just have to touch up
the final product with a bit of body filler and hit it with some paint.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:35:54 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: virus alert]

This is a bunch of bull.  First of all, all the mentioned subjects like
"Join the Crew", "Penpals"...and "Good Times" have already been on the
CIAC's hoax list for a long time.  Do yourselves a favor and DON'T
forward this crap all over the internet.  
Second, if you think about it, all those claims about the "virus"
erasing your harddrive or destroying everything, rendering your
"computer components" useless?  Just how is that supposed to work by
simply reading an e-mail message?  Opening an e-mail message in any mail
program (Netscape Mail, Eudora, IE...) does absolutely nothing but
display the text.  In order for any virus to be activated, without
exception, some form of executable will have to be run (.exe, .com,
.dll...).  If you receive an e-mail with an attachment, then yes, be
careful, save the attachment to a diskette, scan it prior to executing
it (if it is an executable) and so on, but merely reading a message will
NOT EVER harm your computer in any way.  All these warnings are just
thriving on the fact that people e-mail them all over the world.  Best
advise, if you get another one of those, check out the McAfee site at
http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp or the CIAC at
http://www.mcafee.com/support/hoax.asp to see if they mention it before
warning the world.

Ingmar Ott
'77 Cutlass 442
- -------------------------------------------------------------------------

...
 > >WARNING!!! If you receive an e-mail titled "JOIN THE CREW" DO NOT
open it!
 > >It will erase EVERYTHING on your hard drive!  Send this letter out
to as > >many people you can....this is a new virus and not many people
know
 about
 > >it!
 > >This information was received yesterday morning from IBM, please
share
 it
 > >with anyone that might access the internet.
 > >Also, if anyone receives mail entitled; PENPAL GREETINGS! please
delete
 it
 > >WITHOUT reading it!!  This is a warning for all internet users -
there
 is a
 > >dangerous virus propagating across the internet through e-mail
message


>This sent to me by a friend.  I do not know if there is anything to it >or not, but might be something to look out for.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:33:22 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: WTB speedo adapter

Trying to find a speedometer adapter for my Muncie.  I need a .733 or .722,
either of these would do.  This is the little right angle thingie that attaches
to the side of the tranny and the speedo cable plugs into it.  Apparently GM
has withdrawn them. email me at toddmorr@us.ibm.com.

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:11:35 -0700
From: Jim Schultz <bigco@gomontana.com>
Subject: starfire side trim panes

I have heard that someone is reproing the aluminum side trim panels for
a 1962 Starfire.  Anyone got a number or address?

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:22:21 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: A-body rear ends

So the 73 differential I have is a 8.5" 10-bolt w/3.08 gears. Is it a 28
spline or a 30 spline?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:40:51 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine ID

>Sat while wandering around the local yard i found an Olds engine on the
>ground. It has 350 cast into the side of it.
>It has Fuel injection.
<snip>
> That prompted me to
>look closer. What is this???

It came out of a 77-79 caddilac Seville if it has EFI.  The controller
system was not much good (analog I think) so the EFI was often ditched for
a 4bbl since it was only worth about 10 hp and more often than not it ran
crappy. It may be of interest to you if you want to run EFI on a small
block, but it doesn't flow exeptionally well (so I'm told) and you need
some sort of controller for it.  Probably make an interesting garage
decoration as well.  Especially if it is one of the aluminum EFI manifolds
out there.

I've got one of the manifolds, I'm trying to convert my Vista Cruiser to
EFI using it and a controller out of a late-model GM with a c*maro chip.
Progress is slow though, I'm trying to figure out what exactly each pin
(all 80-something of them :( ) on the controller is for and build a wiring
harness.  I've been meaning to keep the list posted on my progress, but
other than acquiring the parts, there really hasn't been any progress. (no
time)

There's a little more information about the manifold in the FAQ.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:51:05 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <ham@fan.net>
Subject: Re: starfire side trim panes

Jim Schultz wrote:
> 
> I have heard that someone is reproing the aluminum side trim panels for
> a 1962 Starfire.  Anyone got a number or address?
Hi FUSICK ,has these sides, very expensive.Here is the number 
860-623-1583
860-623-1589
There about $2350.00 a set.. Larry 
       6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I   R   E

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:43:41 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Engine ID

nd the local yard i found an Olds engine on
> the
> >ground. It has 350 cast into the side of it.
> >It has Fuel injection. The yard owner doesn't remember what car he
> took
> >it from.

Aaah, the elusive Caddy FI Olds.  Oooh...  If the owner doesn't know
what it's from, then he probably doen't know what it's worth (not much,
to most, actually).  They were rumored to run like crap, but I've always
wanted to find one and update the components in it.  If you're a project
hunter, grab it!  (And being the lucky winner, finding this thing and
all, keep your eyes peeled for any oddball 403's out there.   Ya never
know...)



- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 15:50:29 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Journey to Chi-town

Saturday Chris Smetana, myself, and my son Michael took my van with the
trailer attached and headed north to Bob Cline's.  We picked up what was
left of a once proud '69 4-4-2 from Arizona that Chris purchased for
parts.  We left home at 6:15am and returned at 3:30pm, covered 360
miles, and averaged 8.8 mpg for the trip.  The good news is, Chris has
some great sheet metal to use on his W-31.  The body was so solid I
would have been tempted to restore it instead of parting it out as Bob
has done.  Those southwest bodies are fantastic.  When he is done with
it I am going to get some odds and ends off of it to use on my 70.  I
have some pinch weld rust around the top of my back window that this '69
will help cure.  It also has a ch*vy 12 bolt that may find it's way
under my car with some serious gears.  Can you say wheel stands?  I may
have to make this trip again after the first of the year to get some
solid rear quarters for my car.  Bob has quite a bit of inventory for
all makes.  Check him out.

Dave Wyatt
70 4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:19:53 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: '63 Starfire FS

I just saw the following ad, thought someone might be interested:

'63 Oldsmobile Starfire 2-Door Hard Top.  Running condition, body straight,
$1200.  Also two parts cars.  Superior, MT  (406) 822-4048 evenings.

The picture looks nice, straight with no rust (but it's a small picture).
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:46:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Side Trim

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Larry Polesnak <ham@fan.net>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: starfire side trim panes

Jim Schultz wrote:
> 
> I have heard that someone is reproing the aluminum side trim panels for
> a 1962 Starfire.  Anyone got a number or address?
Hi FUSICK ,has these sides, very expensive.Here is the number 
860-623-1583
860-623-1589
There about $2350.00 a set.. Larry 
       6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I   R   E

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:17:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: Stolen Car

Well, I waited too long to go out and install a security system.

My baby, 1986 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops, new paint and engine last year, 
was STOLEN today from work.  Parked it at  9:30 this morning and went to 
leave at 3:30 pm and it was gone.

Turns out a blazer parked nearby had a window punched out and camera stolen, 
I told him he was lucky.  The car is silver, with T-tops, alloy wheels, 
class two hitch (don't ask), Ohio license plates 4WINNS.  New paint, bucket 
seats, console, no pinstriping or side door molding.  If seen please contact 
Dublin Police (614) 761-6530.

Then called my insurance agent and he asked which car, the olds or my wifes 
97 Tarus, I told him the cutlass and he said "Why would anyone want to steal 
that car", WHat an **sh*l*e.

I remember a couple of months ago that someone had a car stolen and had fun 
with the insurance company.  I will check the FAQ to see if details made it 
on, but if he is still on and can e-mail me privately with any suggestions 
it would be appreciated, please send any other suggestions privately also, 
no reason to waste bandwidth on this one  :(

Thanks guys, Oh by the way, I am looking for an 84-87 olds cutlass 442 or 
H/O with t-tops.  Might as well move up.

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
Formerly a 86 Olds Cutlass Salon

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:16:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Tinkering, Junque Yards, etc.

Taking a long weekend here (tomorrow's a holiday) so spent some time 
tinkering with the Delta. Found my dash light problem -- a loose socket. 
Can't access the dang thing from the back, but with some creative use of 
a small screwdriver with the speedo out I think I tightened it. Lights 
are on so far. Also fiddled a little more with my H-O headlights... aim 
was way off, slowly getting it in line. Seems crucial with these. 
Starting to see that they are better than regular halogens.

Water leak under the dash... resealed everything in sight in the
heater/cowl area... still leaky. Got fed up, got a friend to help me with
selective use of a hose. Turns out the leak is in the passenger side
A-pillar, travels across under the dash and drips off the heater case. At
least I tracked it down, tomorrow hopefully will fix it. Lots of rain
lately, so that's a good thing. 

Also picked up some custom-color Mar-Hyde vinyl dye for my faded armrests.
Nice red armrests are coming soon I hope. Be interesting if that could be
used on the black rubber floormats currently in there. They are the
old-fashioned over-the-hump type that I've had kicking around for years
and threw in to cover some of the wear on the Delta's carpets.  Since you
can't buy them that size anymore it might be fun to see if they can be
changed to red. Also picked up a spray can of something called "Fabric
Color" in red. More of an experiment, want to see if it helps my faded
seats. Says it's made for velour; we'll see. Going to try a little in an 
inconspicuous spot.

Visited a junkyard today with lots of stuff, unfortunately not a very nice
crew running the place. I got a coolant overflow tank for the Delta at the
outrageous price of $10. They don't want anyone pulling parts themselves,
which is too bad. I might have to negotiate with them if I want anything
off the Deltas there. One '78 coupe, must have been a very nice car when
new, has a nice set of dual remote mirrors I'd like to have, along with a
neat fuel economy guage, but I would want to pull the stuff myself. Looked
for a hood ornament for Mike Hall, lots of Deltas, no good ornaments
though. The yard I know has a couple was closed today, so maybe later
Mike. This place even had an '82 Delta with the diesel 350 still in it,
must be rare these days. Also a 403 or two. No Cutlasses worth talking
about unfortunately. 

I also saw the hood that was damaged by the foam-in-a-can. A real shame. 
You can see "V" shaped distortions on either side where the foam inside
the reinforcements moved the outer panel. No luck so far removing the
stuff. He is thinking about abandoning it and getting another hood
repainted to match, has a line on a good one apparently. Seems extreme,
but until he finds a way to remove it there's no other option. You could
use it as is (excellent paint too, and the underside all detailed) but
you'd always see the "V"s, he thinks. Sad... :(

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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