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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, October 20 1997       Volume 01 : Number 914



Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
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Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)
help
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Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
Fwd: 76 88 cold start
Ga heads performance or not
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Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)
Re: point dists wanted?
Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)
Re: where to buy por-15
Re: Olds go-fast parts
Is it just me...
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
Re: More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)
Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start
MISAR (77 Toro ignition)
Re: 69 442 Zone Dealer Announcement Car
RE: windshield wipers blades for 1976 Delta Royale
Add-on Airco
Wheel Disks
A Change of Professions (Non-Olds Auto Humor)
Olds Questions
Re: Olds Questions
Re: Olds Questions
Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: "Classy looking..."
Re:
69 H/O mirrors and gaskets
Re: Is it just me...
Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
Additions to WEB site
Re: Is it just me...
Olds FAQ 4.0 availability
advice on after market
Re:  Disc brake conversions.
Byron Dragway spottings....
Re: want to trade my edelbrock performer
My Classic Car Photo Contest
sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels
Thanks for help, Thermac air cleaner
Re: real '72 442
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
distributors
Re: Wheel Disks
Re: Add-on Airco
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
Ad in Hemmings
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)
question on E heads
Re: New find, future hunt?

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKing66@aol.com
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

air out of the carb tells me the chain is broke or slipped, or the rocker cam
on the side with low compression is snapped............indicating that the
valves are not coinciding with the piston movement.....air leak......or
reverse air flow.....i could be wrong but i hope that might help


ANdrew

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:36:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKing66@aol.com
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

rethought my earlier speile.........likely a broken cam or jammed pushrods or
broken
rockers....check for loose rocker nuts...

Andrew

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:28:47 -0500
From: jaoder@navix.net
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:47:23 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

> After I have looked some more. Can Any of you people tell me what kind
> of sympton I would get if I had lost my timing chain. It seems to be
> blowing air out of the carb not sucking and I get practiclly no reading
> when I have checked the compression on ª1 & ª3 cylinders. Should I pull
> the valve cover (lost of fun with all the stuff I have to remove first)?
>
Ouch...with compression ª's like that, I can think of three possible
problems.  Number one, you've had a head gasket say goodnight, and that
explains the low comp. in two side-by-side cylinders.  Number two, the
timing chain has either slipped or broken.  This would cause the
valvetrain to be inoperational, and some cyl.'s would have valves
partially open, which would give a very low compression number.  You
said that it's blowing back out the carb?  That means that the forces
inside the cyl. on the compression stroke is coming back through the
intake valve, the manifold, and eventually blows out the carb.  That's
either because of a faulty timing chain, or you have one or more intake
valves stuck open.

Number three, and least likely, the engine has partially seized.  That
would cause low compression in all cyl.'s, and would have extreme
difficulty running, if at all.

A word to the wise...be careful when cranking over the engine!  If the
cam has moved at all, one or more valves will be open, and the pistons
will come up and crunch them...not a pretty sight.

Hope this helps, and wish you luck with the repairs...

S. Dave Ward(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 23:48:36 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)

Now that everything is said and done, I thought everything was alright.
I was wrong!  I replaced the upper rad hose and flushed/filled the
cooling system today, and I thought it was fixed.  I was wrong...

I had a couple friends over tonight, and we watched a couple movies.  I
had to run them home, so I took my Olds, and I hadn't actually tested it
since I replaced the hose.  Anyway, I drove for about two miles, and as
I pulled in the driveway, my HOT light came on.  I pulled off the rad
cap (yes, I value my life), and the coolant level was two or three
inches down in the core.  I stuck my finger in, and it was just nicely
warm...this means that the hot coolant isn't circulating, is it?  I'm
starting to think the thermostat went V.V.K. (voom voom ka-boom!) last
night.

Since it has a circulation problem (right?), it's either gotta be the
thermostat or the water pump...I'd appreciate some
advice...unfortunately, time is of the esscence...I don't want my Olds
sitting in the driveway of someone who owns a Honda and a VW!

I'm glad this happened now, and not in the middle of winter...

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.) => soon to be a boat anchor...
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.) => still no gas...
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI) => why didn't I take the truck!  (That's twice!)

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 21:48:46 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: help

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:06:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKing66@aol.com
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

everybody keeps putting on their cars.....fine...here's mine

66 olds F85 Cutlass....:p

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:21:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: FSN6998@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: 76 88 cold start

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    76 88 cold start
Date:    97-10-19 14:09:33 EDT
From:    FSN6998
To:      usicom@pi.net
CC:      chebucto.ns.ca

Archy,

I have read of your cold start problems on the Olds list.  I need a bit more
info to be really helpful, but will suggest some areas that you might want to
check.

Questions:

Which emission system does the car have?  (There were at least two
possibilities, Federal (49 state) and California.  There was also an export
version, but as far as I know, this was just a 49 state car with the catlayst
deleted.)

Does the car start reasonably quickly (ie after 5 seconds of cranking or
less) and then die and carry on  OR does it crank for a long time before
firing?

What is the outside temperature when it acts up?

Assuming the vacuum hoses are good and routed correctly, the next items to
check are the following (not necessarily in order):

1.  Carburetor well leakdown and / or float level and condition.   If well
leakdown is a  problem, it will crank for a long time before firing while the
fuel pump works to fill up the carb bowl.  This condition is remedied by
taking the carburetor apart and sealing the main and secondary wells (located
on the bottom of the central casting that contains the float bowl) with
epoxy.  While you are at it, clean everything and put in a rebuild kit and a
NEW float.  Quadrajet floats were a closed cell foam from the factory.  This
was a good idea in that they don't suddenly sink and leave you stranded like
the brass units can, but they do gradually absorb some gas over the years.
 Make sure the float level is set correctly.  (rebuild kits come with a gauge
and instructions).

2  EGR system.  The EGR valve (located in the intake mainfold on the driver's
side about even with car carburetor), can case a lot of driveability problems
if not working correctly.  The valve itself may be at fault (not sealing
properly at idle), but this will usually cause idle quality problems when the
car is warm as well.  If the car runs OK when warm, check the EGR TCV. This
is a thermostatic vacuum switch in the vacuum line from the carb to the EGR
valve.  It was designed to block vacuum to the EGR valve until the engine had
warmed up. If it is not working, the EGR valve will open  (allowing exhaust
gas recirculation) on cold start when the car is running on fast idle.  This
will cause stalling and other problems.   You can either test the TCV, or
unkook and plug the line at the EGR valve.  Try a cold start and see if it is
better.  DO NOT drive the car in this condition with the engine warm, EGR was
used to reduce combustion temperatures and prevent pinging.

3.  Distributor vacuum advance.  If your car has the 49 state emissions
system, it should have manifold (as opposed to ported) vacuum going to the
distributor.  If the vacuum advance is bad, you will have both retarded
timing and a vacuum leak.  both can cause lousy driveability.  To test, hook
up a vacuum pump to the vacuum advance and draw on it.  If sucks in under
vacuum and holds, it is OK.  Otherwise, replace it.  (You can use a length of
hose and your lungs if you do not have a vacuum pump.)

4.  Choke thermostatic spring (behid the round cover on the passenger's side
of the carb.  Is it in good shape?  Is it set properly (2 notches rich on
your car).


5.  Vacuum breaks on the carburetor.  There are two, primary and secondary.
 They are controlled by a thermostatic vacuum switch that screws into a water
jacket port on the intake manifold (though I have seen a few late '76 models
with the air cleaner mounted TVS as used on the '77-'79 model cars).  The TVS
was there for emissions.  It allowed one vacuum break to be set VERY lean
(pulls the choke almost wide open).  The TVS is only supposed to send vacuum
to this break when coolant temp is above 57 degrees F.    When the car is
cold, remove the air cleaner.  Set the choke.  Test both vacuum breaks (same
idea as for distributor vacuum advance chamber -  apply vacuum, if it sucks
in and holds it is OK).  Observe the choke plate as you do this.  One should
be set to open it SLIGHTLY  (3 or 4 mm at most, trailing edge of the choke
plate about even with the thicker part of the air horn casting near where the
air cleaner hold down stud goes.)   The other was factory set to open the
choke much farther.  I would recommend setting it close to the other one, ie
opens the choke about 4 to 5 mm at most.

Feel free to e mail with questions

FSN6998@AOL.COM

Fred Nissen
1969 98 Convertible
1977 Delta 88 Town Sedan
1977 98 Regency Coupe
1978 Delta 88 Royale Coupe
1979 98 LS Coupe

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Abiggerguy@aol.com
Subject: Ga heads performance or not

Hi guys i have a 70 455 out of a delta 98 im unsure what heads cam on it but
i was told they probaly are not that good. I havent checked for numbers on
them as of yet. what would be the best heads to put on it? I guess that would
be f-heads but i think there a bit out of my price range. How about Ga heads
are they any good ? I have a pretty radical cam in it and lots of other
goodies but only ran a 13.8 at the track and 13.3 on the juice. Thanks for
any suggestions



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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:57:11 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

>There stood a friend of mine (good friend), and six other people (I knew
>them all).>


Everybody uses the word "friends" regarding people they know.  Many, (or
most), so called "friends" never really seem to come through when you
need them the most unfortunately.

I hope those seven people you helped realize that they indeed have a
"friend".  A true friend.  You should feel good about yourself, you did
the right thing.

That damn hose would have busted anyway!  Perhaps it would have blown at
even a worse time.  Months from now you'll think about how mad you got,
picture how stupid and silly it must have looked when you pushed the car
home.

Just think how "good" you would have felt had you not drove the group
home and a death occurred.  That thought alone would ruin more than one
night's sleep for me.  Good work!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:00:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: point dists wanted?

In a message dated 97-10-18 11:52:32 EDT, you write:

<<
 i have a 73 poits type distributer.  want it?  i have no use for it because
i
 installed an HEI.

 mikey tvb@aol.com
 73 cutlass w/403
  >>

TO Charlie or the General or 2WhomItMayConcern:

 Whats up with the points Distributers?? Why are they wanted by people
and what are they being used for?  Are they becoming important for some
reason?  What are they worth now that there is a demand?

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 06:58:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

Reply to message from ward@ptbo.igs.net of Sun, 19 Oct


  don't feel to bad, a thermostat or water pump, i know someone who broke a
frame and had the rear end a few feet behing the car doing the same thing
as you were.. you can't push that far. ;-), but i will give you some advise
for next time (if there is) stop at all the gas stations and ask for gas
money! if you did that you could proabably buy all the parts u need.
I've seen it work before, might be worth a try, good luck

>But, it's all good now:  everybody made it home safely, and I replaced
>the upper hose this afternoon, as well as flush and fill the cooling
>system.
>
>It didn't really bother me that much, because I knew I was doing the
>right thing...I was just a little bitter because I pulled my back
>pushing the car, and it got stuck in a pothole...not to mention is was
>in the ballpark of 2:30am...
>
>S. Dave Ward
>
>

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:38:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: where to buy por-15

Hi Aaron,
You can buy POR 15 direct from the manufacturer.  If you have a copy of
Hemmings
laying around, they probably have at least 10 ad's.  Just dial em up and have
your
credit card ready.  Also I understand you can now buy POR 15 products from
Year One if you're in the Atlanta area.

Mark Berube
Loganville, GA
67' 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:43:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds go-fast parts

Dave Smith.
I don't have his address handy but I'm sure someone on the list can help with
that.

Mark Berube
Loganville, GA
67' 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:18:09 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Is it just me...

Is it just me or does the new Cutlass look like a Toyota?  This truely
"Ain't your father's Oldmobile".  If this trend to copy japaneese
desings continues, GM might as well just shut down their plants and open
an import business.  What happened to inspiring designs?  The Aurora is
a livingroom on wheels.  Maybe with 2 doors and a 442 package it might
be something, the Cutlass - big disappointment.  IMHO the only recent
car that made a statement (a positive one) was the late Impala SS.  Of
course it only lasted 3 years.  I know it's a Ch*vy and I don't need any
flames now, but someone show me an inspiring "new" car.  By inspiring I
mean bold looks/apperance, power (even brute power), a car that does NOT
look like a Japaneese creation.  Sure, all the clean air laws put a
damper on things, rising fuel prices are also a contributing factor.
Still, I think GM in general could do a lot better.
Ok, I feel much better now.

Ingmar Ott

'77 Cutlass 442
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 03:06:07 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

BMAN6771@aol.com wrote:
>
> power and convenience, is going to be around $22,000 (I'm not counting the
> new Toyota Cutlass, which wouldn't fit the bill).

I haven't been paying too close attention to this thread, however, what
is this blasphemy: "Toyota Cutlass".  What is that about?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:29:20 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)

I would try the thermostat first, that is alot easier than the
waterpump, you can run your car without a thermostat for a while if
it is kinda cool out, this will help you trouble shoot if thats the
problem or not. Also, may want to consider having the radiator power
flushed, if there is a clog, this could prevent a return and thats
also why it would be luke warm. (found that out the hard way on my
moms 84 Cutlass Calias) 3rd, water pump, (if your going for
performance/looks, summit makes a good aftermarket chorme one for
about $60.00, 30% more flow too. Hope it helps.


 >
> Since it has a circulation problem (right?), it's either gotta be the
> thermostat or the water pump...I'd appreciate some
> advice...unfortunately, time is of the esscence...I don't want my Olds
> sitting in the driveway of someone who owns a Honda and a VW!
>
> I'm glad this happened now, and not in the middle of winter...
>
> Thanks,
>
> S. Dave Ward
>
> '78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.) => soon to be a boat anchor...
> '85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.) => still no gas...
> '91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI) => why didn't I take the truck!  (That's twice!)
>
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 04:48:22 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 83 Hurst - Wont Start

>Nick Lamboy wrote:
>> The other day I drove my 83 H/O to work for probably the last time of
>> the season (already frost in upstate NY). I ran great in the cool
>> morning air but, that was then.
>>
>> When I went to go home I couldnt get her to fire. Heres the symptons on
>> what I checked.
>>
>> Good Gas flow
>> Good battery
>> Ohmed out the coil looked good according to my Hanes book ª's
>> Checked spark on plug wire - seemed ok
>> Dirstributor rotation looked ok
   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>After I have looked some more. Can Any of you people tell me what kind
>of sympton I would get if I had lost my timing chain. It seems to be
>blowing air out of the carb not sucking and I get practiclly no reading
>when I have checked the compression on ª1 & ª3 cylinders. Should I pull
>the valve cover (lost of fun with all the stuff I have to remove first)?

Hmmm, sounds like a valve is hanging open, which would happen with a broken
timing chain (valvetrain would be in suspended animation), but that would be
accompanied by a non-rotating distributor (which is turned by the cam which
is turned by the timing chain). You could have skipped a tooth on that
chain. One quick way would be to hook up a timing light and crank over the
engine; if the timing mark is way off, that's a likely culprit. To see how
loose the timing chain is, remove your fuel pump and feel inside the hole;
you'll be able to push the timing chain back and forth. If there's no play
in it, look elsewhere, but if your distributor is still turning but you have
no compression, but you didn't hear anything go "boom" or "crack", your
chain may have skipped a tooth. If this seems to be the case, then it might
be worth your while to pull the valvecovers, since catastrophic valvetrain
failure might cause similar symptoms (but it would be extremely unlikely to
have three separate cylinders go at once; it makes much more sense for some
common problem to be causing all the valves to open wrong, and the best
candidate for that diagnosis would be the timing chain, either that or
massive cracks in the heads and/or block. But then your oil would look like
a milkshake.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 00:56:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: FSN6998@aol.com
Subject: MISAR (77 Toro ignition)

'77 Toronados uses an early EST system called MISAR.  The wierd "thingy" on
the crank is part of the magnetic triggering system for it.  The brain is
located under the glove box in the passenger compartment.   The system
reacted to engine temp and vacuum to set the timing.  '78 used a similar, but
much simplified, system that did away with the stuff on the front of the
engine and relied on a signal from the distributor instead.  (The dealers had
a lot of trouble setting the '77 system up properly.  A glance at a '77 shop
manual will reveal why.)  The '77 Toro 403 used the same cam as the RWD cars,
but the combination of a less restrictive exhaust ("fake duals" -"y" pipe
into one catalyst followed by a "y" pipe to dual mufflers and resonators) and
MISAR resulted in the 200 hp rating. BTW, most were windowed main web, though
I have seen one early '77 Toro with casting numbers that Mondello says
indicates solid mains.

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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 22:02:21 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442 Zone Dealer Announcement Car

 Demo
> 10-11-68.

It sounds as if you should have a fairly early VIN sequential number as well.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:32:47 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: windshield wipers blades for 1976 Delta Royale

Anna,

Try Pep Boys or NAPA and ask for Trico 18-2 blades.  They will clip
right on.

Dave Van Sant

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>From: anna hebrowska[SMTP:mixomixo@classic.msn.com]
>Sent: Sunday, 1997 October, 19 23:45 14:21
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: windshield wipers blades for 1976 Delta Royale
>
>
>I am looking for windshield wiper blades that are 18 inches long. So far,
>no luck. Does anyone know of a place that has them, possibly in New
>York area (Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Nassau, Bronx..)?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Anna
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:16:58 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Add-on Airco

In some car-for-sale adds I see an add-on AC mentioned. My car doesn't
have an Airco, but I would like one. So does my brother who owns a '56
98 Holiday 4-door.
I've looked at Fusicks, USA-parts, Brothers and Year One.
Where can I get (a good) one?

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:12:22 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Wheel Disks

My brother has a '56 98 Holiday 4-door. It looks very good but has
imitation wheeldisks. They're not to good.
So, you can guess where I'm going to: he wants the original
wheel-disks.
Can anybody help him?

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn. The Netherlands.
'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:35:36 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: A Change of Professions (Non-Olds Auto Humor)

I know wasting bandwidth on the Olds list is verboten,  but I just
got this cute (read: Not too dirty) joke in my e-mail, and it *is*
automotive, even if non-Olds... and Gawd knows Mondays are depressing
enough:

A gynecologist was getting sick of his job and decided that he
needed a career change.  He'd always enjoyed tinkering with engines,
so he decided  become a mechanic.

He enrolled in a mechanics' school, eventually coming to that point in
the curriculum, the final test, during which he was expected to tear an
automotive engine down completely and reassemble it
- -- obviously back into perfect working order.

So our gynecologist friend performed the test and anxiously awaited the
result.   The day he received the results he got quite a surprise,
he got 150%!  He quickly phoned the instructor and queried the mark.

The instructor said, "No no, that's right.  First I gave you 50% for
stripping down the engine - a very thorough job.  Next I gave you
50% for reassembling it - a fantastic job, really.

"And then I gave you a 50% bonus for doing it all through the muffler!"




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:50:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Olds Questions

I have a few of questions:

1) I have a 1970 Oldsmobile Rallye 350, I am looking for OAI hood pins (I am
not sure of there exact name) because I have one on the left side and am
missing one on the right hand side. I am worried about warping the hood if I
drive too fast. Does anyone know where I could pick up a set of these OAI
hood pins?

2) My Rallye 350 has a 403 in it. The guy I bought it from said that he
wasn't sure where the original engine was. Should I look for a 1970 Rocket
350 to put in it or should I just leave the 403 in it and supe it up? Does
anyone know where I could pick a a cheap, powerful Rocket 350 from around 1970?

3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up?

I am only 16 so I don't want to dish out TOO much cash. But I luv my
Oldsmobiles.

                                            P.S. What were the specs on a
1973                                                  403? (Compression, hp?)
Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:58:30 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

>In a message dated 97-10-19 14:12:06 EDT, you write:
>
><<
> I have a few of questions:
>
> 1) I have a 1970 Oldsmobile Rallye 350, I am looking for OAI hood pins (I am
> not sure of there exact name) because I have one on the left side and am
> missing one on the right hand side. I am worried about warping the hood if I
> drive too fast. Does anyone know where I could pick up a set of these OAI
> hood pins? >>
>
> Well, the Paddock has them for $59.95 a pair.
>
><< 2) My Rallye 350 has a 403 in it. The guy I bought it from said that he
> wasn't sure where the original engine was. Should I look for a 1970 Rocket
> 350 to put in it or should I just leave the 403 in it and supe it up? Does
> anyone know where I could pick a a cheap, powerful Rocket 350 from around
>1970?
> 3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
> 403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up?
>
> I am only 16 so I don't want to dish out TOO much cash. But I luv my
> Oldsmobiles.
>                                             P.S. What were the specs on a
> 1973  403? (Compression, hp?)>>
>
>
>Well, they didn't make 403's till the 77 model year.. and those had 8.5:1
>compression, and around 180 hp.. though the torque was a lot higher than the
>350's of the day.  the heads were more restrictive than pre 73 350 cylinder
>heads, though those can be adapted. I'd say stay with the 403, you don't have
>to original engine anyway, so you don't have to worry about the numbers
>matching, any 350 mods will work on the 403, and you'll get more power due to
>the 53 extra cubic inches. Only major problem on the 403 is the windowed main
>webs.. though those won't pose a problem to a car being driven on the street
>or one that stays under 5500 rpm.  I think the quadrajet on the engine should
>work out well enough, it is what came on the engine originally..though a
>friend of mine has a Carter AFB that works pretty well.
>
>close enough guys?
>
>DrkSole
>73 Cutlass Supreme
>67 Delta 88 Custom
>
>
>What is the E-mail address, snail mail address, or Phone number for the
Paddock? So I can get those hood pins? If I put on a set of 350 heads, how
much will my compression end up being? HP?

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye350
1985 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:00:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

>Beverley Horn wrote:
>>
>> I have a few of questions:
>>
>> 1) I have a 1970 Oldsmobile Rallye 350, I am looking for OAI hood pins (I am
>> not sure of there exact name) because I have one on the left side and am
>> missing one on the right hand side. I am worried about warping the hood if I
>> drive too fast. Does anyone know where I could pick up a set of these OAI
>> hood pins?
>>
>> 2) My Rallye 350 has a 403 in it. The guy I bought it from said that he
>> wasn't sure where the original engine was. Should I look for a 1970 Rocket
>> 350 to put in it or should I just leave the 403 in it and supe it up? Does
>> anyone know where I could pick a a cheap, powerful Rocket 350 from around
1970?
>>
>> 3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
>> 403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up?
>>
>> I am only 16 so I don't want to dish out TOO much cash. But I luv my
>> Oldsmobiles.
>>
>>                                             P.S. What were the specs on a
>> 1973                                                  403? (Compression, 
hp?)
>> Shayne Horn
>> 1970 Rallye 350
>> 1985 442
>
>
>Beverly
>the hood pins are available from Year One...Partª AS105 at 49.00
>a set you can call them at 1-800-950-9503...(I know that number by
>heart) as for the motor...what brain surgeon stuck that mill in
>there...wow...he dropped the value threefold....a window sticker and
>numbers matching motor would help the value alot..but some things you
>just can't change....if it were me..I would try to find a suitable
>nostalgia motor..something more in date with the car...the 1970 rallye
>350 had a strong mill (noted in the specification and feature manual) as
>a L-74 350 cu. in. 350 H.P. high compression engine with 3.23 standard
>rear axle..and if it has the ridged D-35 sports mirrors...those are VERY
>cool....if its a good ª3 to ª4 car its worth putting some extra effort
>to make it more inline with the times in which it was built....Hoagie
>

It has the sport mirrors on it. It is a number matching car except for the
engine. I would love to find a 1970 Rocket 350, I am looking for one.

Shayne Horn

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:55:48 -0500
From: skonberg.g@mail.lchs.lake.k12.il.us
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0

I have a partially restored 1971 Cutlass "S" and am regretfully looking to
sell it.

There has been a lot of work done:

new rear quarters - finished both
outer wheelhousing - both
trunk filler panels - both
full length floor pans - both
frame brushed and undercoated
engine is out and on a stand

I also have lots of parts:

3 hoods, 2 trunk lids, one extra dash pad (black), 2 interior front window
pillars and
other misc.

$3500 invested will part for $1800.

Anyone interested?

Greg Skonberg
Chicago, IL
gskonber@trustmarkins.com
(847) 615-1500 x.1169

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:59:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

jim, sure you wouldn`t be interested in a trade for that w-455 alluminum
intake?,  i have a complete 70 dual gate, oh! and a set of 70 sport mirrors.
 im sure i have some other goodies laying around also.    please reply
steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 07:02:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: "Classy looking..."

 Yuck!  What some people will do to an Olds...

 Doug Newman

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Speaking of that, there's a 39 Olds street rod running around here
that's pretty well done. But, it has a Che%y motor and Che%y rallye
wheels on it. I bet the owner wishes it WAS a Che&y.....sure looks
like one at a glance!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme





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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re:

maybe, know of a complete f-85 parts car, not sure of the year, 65 or 66. i
could take another look this week.   steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:17:54 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: 69 H/O mirrors and gaskets

If you don't care about H/O stuff, move along, sorry for wasted
bandwidth.  If you do care.....

Here's something good for a change.  Mike Lewis from Nashville, TN is
making repro mirrors for the 69 H/O and 69 S/CRamblers.  He has a
Rambler himself, but the mirrors are the same.  If anyone is interested,
here's what he has:

Mirrors are identical, except the body material is made from spun
aluminum, not cast. (When painted, no one can tell)  The mirror
internals are a slight bit better than original, with more adjustability
and less likely to lose tension, thereby having floppy mirrors.  They
come in two styles, kit form, and fully finished.  The kit form has to
be deburred, painted, and the mirror surround (bell) chromed.  The cost?
$275.  Fully finished, ready to bolt on, needs nothing, is $375.

The gaskets are VERY close to original, though not as hard as the
originals.  They are not squared along the edges as original either, but
have a very slight inward slope to the top.  The curve is there on the
bottom though, where it meets the door curve.  They are beaded (raised
outer lip).  $20/pair, includes new mounting screws.  For those who want
an EXACT copy of the original gaskets, you'll have to wait til the
manufacturer (Metro Moulded) makes them.  This should be soon.  They
have one of my originals to use as a model.

You can contact Mr. Lewis at 615-292-5334.

Hopefully this is good news for some of you dying to find 69 H/O mirrors
and gaskets.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:19:24 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

At 08:18 AM 10/20/97 -0700, you wrote:
 but someone show me an inspiring "new" car.  By inspiring I
>mean bold looks/apperance, power (even brute power), a car that does NOT
>look like a Japaneese creation.  Sure, all the clean air laws put a
>damper on things, rising fuel prices are also a contributing factor.
>Still, I think GM in general could do a lot better.
>Ok, I feel much better now.
>
>Ingmar Ott


Ingmar,

I kind of like some of the recent offerings from Chrysler, the Viper and
Prowler comes to mind.  Not that I can afford either of them, but they show
that even in this age of pollution controls and federally mandated safety
standards it is possible to build different looking and powerfull cars.

It's a pitty that our favorite GM division hasn't been able to do
something like the Prowler or Viper.  Ch*vy's fun project manager, John
Moss, appears on Motortrend Television every now and then to show off the
latest show cars.  Does Olds have a similar department?

Final question, has anyone heard anything about Shelby's new Cobra?  It's
supposed to have an Aurora engine and be sold through Olds dealerships.
It's not a 442, but it should generate some excitement in the Olds showrooms.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:30:22 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list

Greg, I'm hoping someone at chebucto can figure out how this slime
is still getting onto the list after we closed it.

Anyway, I'm ignoring the return addresses on both these spams as
they are usually forged anyway. The contact information is the best
we can do here. As for the "Hello, thought you should see this" one
pitching a pyramid scheme:

> Crown Industries
> 1630 North Main St. Suiteª 310
> Walnut Creek,  CA  94596

This is actually Mailboxes Etc. franchise ª164, 1630 N. Main St.,
Walnut Creek, CA  94596-4609; Phone: (510)934-9318 Fax: (510)934-0287.
Most likely the spammer rented a box just for a month; you are not
likely to actually receive anything.

As for the "million dollar" spammer at (317) 885-1357 advertising
fake $1,000,000 bills, if someone local to area code 317 feels like
trying to coax a mailing address out of them, I can trace that.

Now returning you to local Olds discussion...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:56:07 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

When Olds come out with someting that compares to the power and handling
of the late 60s early 70s 442 then I'll buy.  No different than the
89-95 F*rd SHO.  Doesn't have to be a vette killer but should at least
beat a P*ntiac GTP and come with a manual.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:49:20 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Additions to WEB site

I have added information to my WEB site, that someone might find useful.
Paint codes and color chips, specification and options including pricing
for the 1970 model year. Some of these files are large so give them time
to download. I plan to add the build sheet and window sticker for my car
also.

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html



Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 09:59:52 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

If Toyota can produce the Supra, Chevy the Vette and SS, and Ford the
old SHO, then Olds could produce something, even with emmision laws.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:24:39 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Olds FAQ 4.0 availability

Right now, the new FAQ is available at http://www.en.com/users/thall,
and at the ftp site at ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds. At the ftp
site, the zip file is 650K, which expands out to around 1.5M.

Soon the new FAQ will also be available at Bryceman's Site
(http://www.442.com), and a new sie courtesy of a friend of Clayton
Pierce, http://nero.dyn.ml.org/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm.

I've found a couple of things I want to fix, and as I said before, in
the next couple of weeks, I will be adding and correcting the links in
the Index section. I'll try to include as many corrections as possible,
so point 'em out, send 'em to me! Thanks and enjoy!
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:18:15 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: advice on after market

Looking to get an aftermarket overflow tank for the radiator, are there any
recommendations?  Plastic v. Aluminum or is it just for looks?

Are there any differences between a '62 394 and a '64 394.  My 64 is shot,
and I may be replacing it with a '62 and wondering what modifications might
need to be made.

Thanks,

G
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 08:18:13 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re:  Disc brake conversions.

Where can we get one of these guages?

G



At 07:31 PM 10/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In the last six months, I've had the brakes on my 69 "professionally"
>serviced in an attempt to correct pedal travel of about 3", severe
>pulling to the right and too much sponginess. I've bled them twice
>myself without results. I came to believe that manual drum brakes were
>inherently bad and was all set to spring the bucks to convert to disc
>brakes.
>This weekend I thought I'd give it one last try and got ahold of a
>drum brake setting gauge. It's basically an inside/outside caliper
>that transfer the correct drum to shoe clearance. After setting my
>brakes with the gauge, I have less than 1" pedal travel and the brakes
>stop the car great! No more driving in fear of having to react quickly
>and not making it.
>
>About the only thing I want to do to the brakes now is add a power
>booster.
>BTW, I have never seen a mechanic use one of these gauges at any
>repair shop I've been to.
>
>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Don R Brower <bhouse@seanet.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 1:53 PM
>
>
>>could sombody please stop me!!!!!!!!!! I know this topic has been hit
>on
>>before but (I have CRS) could someone please tell me what spindles
>>(year and make) can I hang on the front of my 66 cutlass to give me
>>disc brakes I know going fast is fun but stopping makes it so you can
>>savor the flavor.
>>                                              thanks
>>                                         Don Brower
>>                                         66 cutlass
>>                                         66 F85 DLX
>
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Byron Dragway spottings....

Well the family made the trip yesterday for a "family" outing at Byron
Dragway just South of us.  They had a few "features" there that we wanted to
see, otherwise, the racing was good (about 90 cars in the "bracket" division,
about half a dozen bikes, a dozen or better cars in the ten inch wide tire
class, and over a half dozen cars in the "quick 8" door slammer series).
 There were a few Olds' there, including a yellow Cutlass (W series of some
sort?), and a Vistacruiser that had 442 badges on it and was running high
12's, low 13's.  It had won the first round, and we didn't stick around for
the second round, since it was getting late, and the kids were starting to be
a pain.

I didn't get a chance to chase these guys down and talk to them
(unfortunately, and sorry guys...) but since the kids were there, we didn't
go walking around too much, a real hassle when there's cars driving all over
the place.

They did have a Wheel stand competition that we didn't stick around for
(OH,BTW, while we were there, it got noticably colder, another reason we took
off early..).  There weren't any Olds' in that field (we're smart, and don't
abuse our nice cars like that, at least that what I'm telling myself  :-),
but we did get quite a show, seeing the bottom of quite a few cars, including
one that "grazed" the wall in front of us.

They did tape the show, but I didn't hear when, etc. it was going to be on
(supposedly there wil be some mag. articles which cover this, and some TV
airtime).  If anybody sees, or hears of this being on, let me know, so I can
tape it.

Thanks,
Chris Ruper
CRuper1@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:23:56 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: want to trade my edelbrock performer

Send me those specs so I will know what parts to use....please please
please
thanks

- ----------
> From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: want to trade my edelbrock performer
> Date: Saturday, October 18, 1997 7:50 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-10-17 22:48:30 EDT, you write:
>
> << I want to trade my edelbrock (455) performer intake for a torker
intake >>
>
> WHY????, Unless you are building an engine that horsepower band is
> from 4000 to 6500, stay with the performer.  Its made for torque at low
end
> with good midrange and if you are looking for more top end, add a 1 inch
> carb spacer plate.
>
> W MACHINES

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:35:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: My Classic Car Photo Contest

I was on a trip all last week and just signed on to my e-mail account this
morning.

What a pleasant surprise I got!

Thanks to the Olds list, all my friends, relatives and anyone else I could
think of, my car (the '67) won last weeks photo contest.

Thanks to everyone, I really appreciate it!

The run off of all the weekly winners is in December.  I realize it will be
tough to decide over the at least two Oldsmobiles who will be in the running.
 Let's make sure an Olds wins!

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:46:20 -0500
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@mailhost.rsn.hp.com>
Subject: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels

I found a set of 4 SSI wheels this weekend that I will probably buy.  I
currently have 5 SSII or III wheels, with 4 trim rings and 3 center
caps.  The center caps are pitted and need the decals.

If I don't like the SSI wheels on my car, '70 442, I will sell or trade
them.  Otherwise I would like to sell the SSII wheels with a posible
partial trade for 1 more SSI wheel for a spare.

Any preliminary offers or leads on used SSII center caps?

BTW.

If I sell the SSIs I would probably want $120 plus shipping.
If I sell the SSIIs I would probably want $95 plus shipping.

mike

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:48:39 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Thanks for help, Thermac air cleaner

Thanks to all those who replied to my post. I looked everything over after
I calmed down and it all seems to be okay. My car is starting to return to
its normal self again. Could the problem have possibly been bad gas?
     When I look back on everything I remember that right after I put
everything back on the car ran great. It was chirping tires and everything
but then I went and filled up my gas tank with Citgo 93 and put in some STP
gas treatment. Could this have been it? My car seemed to run bad that week
but as the tank got closer to empty it started running better. Finally when
I filled up again it seemed to be almost back to normal. Today it's running
pretty good. Still seems a little weak but no more than usual.
   Thanks again!

Andy Geeting

'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:44:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: DDMRACER@aol.com
Subject: Re: real '72 442

In a message dated 97-10-16 12:20:21 EDT, you write:

<< I don't believe there are any fake 442's only Cutlasses
 with the 442 options added to them. >>

from the above i take that you also believe that there are no
"real" '72 442s. so if i take any ole 72 cutlass s  and add the
442 options it will be as "real" as its going to get? are you
saying the only "real" 442s are the 71s and prior when it was
a model by its self?

duane
72 cutlass s ( sure looks like a "real" 442 )
67 ss396 chevelle ( very little original )
67 283 pg malibu ( very original )
67 ss350 camaro ( coming together nicely )
65 monza 140 corvair ( a "real" sleeper )
70 F*** pickup ( 87 5.0 roller cam engine )
69 firebird ( project car i wish someone else had )
72 vega gt ( long rod, dart head sb400, a "real" bad boy )
78 F*** ranchero gt ( can yall forgive me? )
95 F***  tbird ( the wifes grocery chaser )

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:45:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

In a message dated 97-10-20 12:01:36 EDT, you write:

<<
 BMAN6771@aol.com wrote:
 >
 > power and convenience, is going to be around $22,000 (I'm not counting the
 > new Toyota Cutlass, which wouldn't fit the bill).

 I haven't been paying too close attention to this thread, however, what
 is this blasphemy: "Toyota Cutlass".  What is that about?

 Chris Sparks

  >>

It was ligitimate, and applicable to the situation.  He was describing the
"new" Cutlai design Olds has put out, ya know, the one that looks like a
Toyota.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:59:04 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: distributors

Fellow motor heads, restorers, et al....

Regarding my previous thread on point type distributors, I am paying
$15.00
US funds , third class postage paid. Trades are always welcome..


The General

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:01:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Wheel Disks

> My brother has a '56 98 Holiday 4-door. It looks very good but has
> imitation wheeldisks. They're not to good.
> So, you can guess where I'm going to: he wants the original
> wheel-disks.
> Can anybody help him?

Hmmm.  Somebody else was just looking for the same thing, I think.
I'd give Fusick a call.  They should have a nice set of repro wheel covers
that look like the original.  Only problem is that they are quite pricy if
I remember correctly.  Olds USA probibly has them too, but they usually
run more than Fusick anyway.  Hope this helps!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:14:51 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Add-on Airco

At 08:16 AM 10/20/97 +0100, you wrote:
>In some car-for-sale adds I see an add-on AC mentioned. My car doesn't
>have an Airco, but I would like one. So does my brother who owns a '56
>98 Holiday 4-door.
>I've looked at Fusicks, USA-parts, Brothers and Year One.
>Where can I get (a good) one?
>
>Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
>'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC
>
Jim,

There are two companies, that I know of that sells add-on and replacement
AC systems, Vintage Air and Airtique.  Since I'm at work, I don't have
their addresses here, but you can try searching the web or look for the
phone number at Switchboard.com.  Let me know if you can't find it and I
will look it up for you at home.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:28:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

<<In a message dated 97-10-19 17:58:55 EDT, Dustin wrote about his car buying
attempt:

 I was told; cant get power everything without leather seats, dont offer
lumbar seats
 anymore, dont put heads up in the Cutlasses anymore, dont offer factory
sunroofs anymore
 in the Cutlass.    not sure how much is true and how much was just BS to get
me to buy
 one of the cutlass's on the lot (all identical options, all with cream
interior, one
 red, one black, one dark blue)   sticker price was over $24,000  (I got 'em
down to
 $19,750 before I got bored)

 anyway I decided that it was better to keep my loaded '89 with cloth
interior, buckets
 (not lumbar) and my aftermarket sunroof   since I  would have been paying
another
 $12,000 for a car I liked LESS than the one I already have  then of course
then I'd pay
 more to licence more to insure.....

 I'm still thinking of parting with the '89   dumping the $$$ into my '68
 and living
 happily ever after......

 Dustin >>

So nice of them to try and sell their "packaged cars" on the lot.  Nothing
worse than not being able to buy exactly what you want.  Such as the fact
that I'd like power everything, but HATE (!!!!!!) leather seats.  I'd prefer
cloth any day.  Why is it that you have to pay so damned much for these
things in the first place, then they only sell them the way they want to (not
with what you want).  Suppose you could order what you wanted (unless it was
"past the date"), but then they probably would "deal" as much.  BTW, you know
they are making too much money on these things when they can knock 5 grand
off the price..... ughhh...  I doubt I'll ever buy a car new.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 10:33:55 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Ad in Hemmings

I have seen an ad in Hemmings recently which mentions that they can
determine how many of your vehicles are still on the road.  Both for a state
and national.  Has anyone had any dealing with them.  I was curious how
accurate they are.

G
          \\|//
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~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:23:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

 i have a question for the list;  a good friend of mine is wanting to sell
his 70 442 holiday coupe. he is wanting to sell it to me since were friends
and he wants it to be taken care of.  he is retired and says he has lost
interest in it. lately he has had some health problems and doesn`t feel like
working on cars,ect.  he has been a paint and body man for 30 years, and was
a machinist in the navy before that.  i say this because he is the best body
man i have ever seen. he is a real artise.  the car has no rust, and never
has. he is the second owner, he completely restored the car himself with the
intention of keeping it. it has 60,000 actual miles on it, i saw the car when
he first got it,and helped him do the clean up on it. it is an auto, buckett
seats,rear spoiler, 3;23 posi.,nos grills,all new emblems, bumpers, chrome,
ect. the car has been done with the exception of the interior since 1990, new
interior still in box.  the car is a cream color with a gold interior, and
looks like it just rolled off the show room floor.  i thought i would ask the
fellow list members their oppinions on the value of a car like this one. i am
a bit affraid to give him a bid without doing some research first as i
wouldn`t want to offened or upset him.               your thoughts or
comments would be greatly appreciated.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:45:20 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

> There stood a friend of mine (good friend), and six other people (I
> knew
> them all).  They had just come from a party down the road, and they
> had
> been into a good-sized jug of whiskey, too.  It turns out that the
> designated driver had now consumed close to a dozen beer, and was
> ready
> to drive them home, which was about 10-15 miles away.  Mark was the
> only
> sober one (my good sleddin' buddy), and he was the one that came up
> and

All sounds too familiar, except that Mark was ~never~ the sober one,
(right Dustin?!!)

As for being ~ironic~...  Naw.  Ironic is getting pulled over and
arrested for having an open container in the vehicle somewhere, and
three or four seatbelt violations 'cuz those drunks couldn't figure out
how to use them, and there weren't enough.  ~That's~ ironic.  And right
in line with how the police like to work.  Seems like they don't even
care that people are willing to help reduce the drunk drivers on the
road.  That's the kind of thing that'll p*ss ya off alot.  Like the cop
in Harlem, MT who told a guy in the bar that he ~was not~ to drive home,
then gave him an "intoxicated pedestrian" charge on his way home.
That's ironic.

Dave, you ~definately~ did the right thing, and it could have been much
worse.  Deep down, you ~know~ that on their way home, the subject would
have came up: "Hey, lets have a couple more.  HEY! Let's go get Dave, he
should be partyin' with us!  He only lives down the street...."  You
~know~ on the way they'd come flyin' into the driveway, and plow into
your car, shoving it into the garage door, and squishing the neigbors
cat between the bumpers, etc...  In addition to the obvious, you'd have
to hear the howling all night long, cuz the neighbors are out partying
with your friends and won't be home till morning....

Bit extreme, but you have to believe it still could have been much
worse.  Perhaps for future knowledge, you could try calling a cab for
them?  Costs $$$ up front, but ~they~ have to worry about the cig burns,
spills, and other assorted messes that seem to come up (or ~back~ up in
these instances)  I also know of people that have lost windows due to
these circumstances, (some drunk didn't realize the window was up when
she went to throw a beer bottle into the back of the pickup. (Dustin's
two most ~favorite~ people involved with ~that~ one!)

The gas money thing was a good idea to remember.  I personally like Jeff
Foxworthy's idea better, though.  Stop at ~every~ gas station on the
way.  Put in one or two bucks, and take up a collection "Bill, the
mileage on this thing ~sucks~!"  If you do it right and the passengers
are drunk enough, you might be able to make up for skipping the next day
of work...  You might have to drive around the block a few times,
depending on how many gas stations are in town... :)

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:59:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: question on E heads

Any one have any info on E heads? are they any good valve size etc. Where do
they rate in comparison to other heads. Thanks joe

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 12:56:51 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: New find, future hunt?

> going to Havre Thurs to pick up the '89  HOPING it is done  HOPING it
> is done right
> HOPING  after dropping another 3 K on that shiney overpriced FWD it
> might actually get
> me laid!!

Hmm.. Try painting the wheels pink!!!!!    ;)

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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