
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 28 1997      Volume 01 : Number 976



Re: '70 Olds 88
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Read end oil capacity
442 4drs?
Re: Read end oil capacity
RE: Read end oil capacity
Re[2]: Olds 445 cams
Re: Stroking an Olds?
? about a 64 Super 88
Re: Stroking an Olds?
Re: Olds 445 cams
RE: big block motor question
Re: Power Antennas
Re: Fwd: Rear Drum Upgrade on '67 CS
Trans help
Re: Power Antennas
Re: ? about a 64 Super 88
Re: '70 Olds 88
Re: ? about a 64 Super 88
UNBOUNCE: Trans h*lp, '55 Olds
Re: 442 4drs?
Re: EGR question
Re: Read end oil capacity
Re: 442 4drs?
console pts needed
Re: Read end oil capacity
Re: Hey
Re: Stroking an Olds?
Re: Mobil 1
Re: EGR question
Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever
Re: Mobil 1
Re: EGR question
Convertible Top Replacement
Re: Mobil 1
15x chrome wheels, etc.
Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
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Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
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Re: Oldsmobiles Available-'69 Toro
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:58:09 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds 88

Where is this 88 located Fred? 


At 04:43 PM 11/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
> Hey everybody! A guy at work has a '70 Olds 88 for sale. He's asking $250 and
>says it will run with a little work.It's a two door with a good body.I have 
>not seen it,but if anyone is really interested I will check it out for you.He 
>says it has a 455ci in it.
>Fred Kemp
>'67 Cutlass
>'67 442
>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:04:06 -0500
From: "Edwin R. Burger III" <eburger@sagelink.com>
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 15:08:28 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: Read end oil capacity

Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does that
relate to in metric figures please?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:11:55 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 442 4drs?

Hello Everyone.

Hope everyone in the US is enjoying a nice Thanksgiving with family and friends.

I was setting around (washing and waxing the Cutlass) while the wife and
mother inlaw were fixing the greatmeal wondering what it would of been like
if Olds would of produced 4dr 442's in the 80's.  I have heard that there
might be a couple from the first year that the 442's apeared.  Its just a
thought that crossed my mind.  Some companys were  or have built 4dr
performance cars, or at least one that I can think of off the top of my
head. What would the car have been like, what options would it have ect.
Also why did Olds not use the same front clip and rear lights as they did on
the 2drs as on the 4drs? 

I dont know if these questions have been asked or not but I was just wondering.


Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 O/D
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:22:42 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity

If I remeber correct 1 pint is .473 ltrs.  2.5 pts would be 1.1825 ltrs if I
did my conversion correct.  I hope this helps.  please recheck the math
because I have not done a lot of conversion latelyI might be a little rusty.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D


 08:08 PM 11/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
>changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
>does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does that
>relate to in metric figures please?
>
>Fernando Proietto
>Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
>Environment Canada
>Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
>4905 Dufferin St. 
>Downsview, Ontario
>M3H 5T4
>
>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:05:27 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Read end oil capacity

This is what I figured as well. But those numbers are with the stock
steel diff cover. the aluminum W-27 cover is somewhat deeper and will
most likely require a little more oil.  1.83 Litres seems not to be a
lot of oil, but I'm sure that it will be enough. When filling I think
you add oil until it reaches about 3/8 inch to the top of the oil fill
hole. Thanks Clarence.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	clarence wirtz[SMTP:cw63nova@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: 	Thursday, November 27, 1997 3:22 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Read end oil capacity
> 
> If I remeber correct 1 pint is .473 ltrs.  2.5 pts would be 1.1825
> ltrs if I
> did my conversion correct.  I hope this helps.  please recheck the
> math
> because I have not done a lot of conversion latelyI might be a little
> rusty.
> 
> Clarence
> 86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D
> 
> 
>  08:08 PM 11/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
> >changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
> >does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does
> that
> >relate to in metric figures please?
> >
> >Fernando Proietto
> >Systems Analyst - Informatics
> >
> >Environment Canada
> >Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> >4905 Dufferin St. 
> >Downsview, Ontario
> >M3H 5T4
> >
> >
> Clarence
> 86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
> San Antonio
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 21:40:47 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Re[2]: Olds 445 cams

     Rich,
     
     How did you advance the cam?  Adjustable timing gear or something 
     else?
     
     Vince Knight
     
     71 Cutlass Convertible 
     


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Olds 445 cams
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at smtpgate
Date:    11/26/97 6:01 PM


Chris Miller writes:
     
>I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam 
>it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to 
>high!
     
How did you install the cam, Chris ? Straight up, advanced or retarded ? 
You could shift the powerband down in the RPM range if you advanced the cam 
a couple of degrees.
     
I'm running a JM-20/22 (the specs on which another member posted recently) 
installed 2 degrees advanced. With a Performer manifold and 800 QJ I can 
maintain 15-16 in/Hg vacuum at about an 800 RPM idle in gear. Through the 
exhaust (headers & 2.25 inch dual flowmasters) and with J heads in a 3700lb 
car w/3.90s I've been able to go a best of 13.3 @ 103 with average runs in 
the 13.4-13.5 range at 101. So, it's possible to get fairly decent 
performance out of the 20/22 and have good driveability also. I can say I'd 
recommend it.
     
Now a question: has anyone out there had any experience with JM's larger 
cams ? Like everyone else, I'm drooling over the new Edelbrock aluminum 
heads and was thinking: "While I'm there, maybe a little bigger cam would 
be in order".
     
Since I'm running manual brakes and the car sees only limited street use, I 
could live with a little more radical idle and lower vacuum.
     
Anyone used the JM-22/25 or 25/28 ? Impressions ?
     
Rich
     
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rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker) 
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker
     
     

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:43:00
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: Stroking an Olds?

At 12:29 PM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Is this possible? I've just been doing some math and found out that if I
>used an early 400 crank with 3.975 stroke that I could get 411 cid out
>of my 350. And if I could use a 455 crank, I could get about 440 cid.
>Would there be any point in doing this, other than I can't find an early
>400 crank. Heck, I was lucky enough just to find a 1970 350 N.I. crank!
>
>But, I'm sure all this is impossible due to some technicallity that is
>beyond my knowledge. But, c'mon, sh*tvy can take a 350 and 400 and come
>up with a 383.
>-- 
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>CreamerSoftİ Software
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
>**********************************
>
dont know about the rest of ya, but, i go out to the garage at least once a
week and stroke my olds's.

Chris Matthes
67 c/s
73 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:16:10 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: ? about a 64 Super 88

While eating our Thanksgiving grub, we were telling our various stories.
My aunt brought up the topic of Oldsmobiles. She claims that her first
Olds was a '64 Super 88 with a 414. I thought they had 394's? To settle
the score, I need an answer from those who'd know. Was there a 414 in
that car?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 16:17:47 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Stroking an Olds?

Chris Matthes wrote:
> 
> dont know about the rest of ya, but, i go out to the garage at least once a
> week and stroke my olds's.

LOL, I have to drive 20 miles to see mine! And it's all in pieces!

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 13:34:32 -0800
From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 445 cams

Rich Inacker wrote:

> Chris Miller writes:
>
> >I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam
> >it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to
> >high!
>
> How did you install the cam, Chris ? Straight up, advanced or retarded ?
> You could shift the powerband down in the RPM range if you advanced the cam
> a couple of degrees.
>
> I'm running a JM-20/22 (the specs on which another member posted recently)
> installed 2 degrees advanced. With a Performer manifold and 800 QJ I can
> maintain 15-16 in/Hg vacuum at about an 800 RPM idle in gear. Through the
> exhaust (headers & 2.25 inch dual flowmasters) and with J heads in a 3700lb
> car w/3.90s I've been able to go a best of 13.3 @ 103 with average runs in
> the 13.4-13.5 range at 101. So, it's possible to get fairly decent
> performance out of the 20/22 and have good driveability also. I can say I'd
> recommend it.

Rich,

]My cam is advanced 2 degrees already.  The powerband for my cam is 2000-6000
and I need to move that back to 0-5500.  It is still too high I think.  I am
going to call Comp Cams and a few other dealers and give them my specs and see
what they have to say.  All of the tips from everyone on the list were a great
help but like someone on here said, "Call the manufacturer with my specs and
see what cam they recommend." I am going to do that and see what I come up
with!

Thanks for the help!
Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:09:51 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: big block motor question

What makes you say there was no oil to the rockers. What damage did you find?

- ----------
From: 	David, Terri and Rob[SMTP:hoagie@emeraldis.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, November 27, 1997 11:57 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	big block motor question

hey gang,	
	I'm sorry I have been offline for about 3 weeks (lab puppy ate 
through my mouse cord and surged the motherboard, thank gawd for best 
buys ad a 4 year warranty) anywho I have taken apart my 71 442 455 
engine due to no oil into the rocker arms, it started having this 
problem after I installed a Year One (Blue Racer brand) camshaft and 
lifter package...I checked the oil pressure at the sensor opening with a 
guage and was running 20 lbs at dead idle would go to about 60 psi when 
tached up to 4k...when I removed the new cam I found the cam bearings to 
be in proper positon..I called Year One and talked to their technical 
staff and was told that it may need to pre-pump the lifters before 
installation..my question I ask is why would I need to do this I have 
insalled several cams and have never had to do this before would the 
steeper cam come into play or am I barking up the wrong tree....any 
advice from the masters would be greatly apreciated...by the bye happy 
Thangsgiving all you olds Obsessionist!

Hoagie

'70 Cutlass SX convertible
'71 442 W-30 Convertible
'71 442 Holiday Coupe
'71 Monte Carlo
'69 Camaro RS
'97 Camaro Z-28

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:43:44 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Power Antennas

mrada wrote:
> 
Chris: whats your concern with a rear mounted power antenna.  I've got
one on my 69 442.....no problem.  Works well...looks good.  It took a
while to locate a good working replacement though.  Wayne Schwartz 

Hi all,
> 
> Why hasn't someone come up with a power antenna setup for 1968 442s
> that originally had a manual mounted in the front passenger fender.
> I dred the idea of putting a hole in the rear passenger quarter panel
> in order to have a power antenna.
> 
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:28:48 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Rear Drum Upgrade on '67 CS

COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:

> 
> Now while I'm at it, I want to bolt on some larger rear drums to complement
> my new front discs. But roaming the local Pick-your-Part can't seem to easily
> find the bigger brakes with a proper compatible bolt pattern for the backing
> plates.
> 
> Anybody out there "been there, done that" can tell me where to look?

Decided one day to see if the brakes off of our junked `77 Ch*velle
would fit the `72 Vista Cruiser since they were a much larger diameter. 
(10 or 11 inches, I can't remember)  They bolted right up after a little
filing on the baking plate.  The hole in the backing plate that slides
over the very end of the axle housing was too small by  .01 inch or so. 
Just took a round chainsaw file and ran it around the hole until it was
just large enough to slide over the axle tube and allow the backing
plate to sit flush against the flange on the axle tube.  The bolt holes
in the backing plate lined up perfectly with the bolt holes in the
flange.  Stock parking brake cable worked fine, and the steel brake
lines on the rearend that went to the brake cylinders on each side had
to be re-bent a little bit to fit the wheel cylinders.  Decided later to
replace the steel lines since it didn't seem like a great idea to put
new bends in 22 year old brake lines.  The brakes work great.  Better
stopping power, less fade, and the parking brakes alone can drag it to a
stop even in reverse.

If you swap in the bigger brakes you may need a different proportioning
valve. You can try the proportioning valve from the vehicle donating the
brakes if it has about the same front/rear weight distribution.  Or you
could get a new adjustable one($90).  My Vista Cruiser didn't seem to
need a diffeent valve, even in wet weather the rears don't lock up
before the fronts.  But the V-C has much better weight distribution than
a coupe, in that it has an extra 700 pounds of a**.  Since more of it's
weight is positioned over the rear wheels it's more forgiving if the
rear brakes grab better.  I'm not sure if your coupe will be able to get
away with it or not.  If you swap brakes you'd better find a wet empty
parking lot or some loose gravel where you can't do any damage if you
lose control and do some test braking....practice some panic stops.  You
can judge for youself whether you like the way the car is stopping and
decide on whether to change valves.  If the rears want to lock up sooner
than the fronts the car will want to fishtail, which is not cool if you
happen to be panic stopping. 


Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 17:10:47 -0700
From: Robert A Sanders <rsanders@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Trans help

I really enjoy reading the commentary on the mail list, but now I have a
question about a trans transplant.  I have a '55 Olds Super 88 324 with
an auto trans.  Will any newer model auto trans bolt on or is there a
company that can make an adapter so that I can use a more modern auto
trans with this engine?  Also, I can't get the distributor out of the
engine.  To adjust the timing, I have to use both hands and a great
effort just to move it a tiny bit.  How do you extract the distributor
without damage (yes, I did remove the hold down bolt). Thanks for any
info.

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:13:51 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Power Antennas

mrada wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Why hasn't someone come up with a power antenna setup for 1968 442s
> that originally had a manual mounted in the front passenger fender.
> I dred the idea of putting a hole in the rear passenger quarter panel
> in order to have a power antenna.
> 
> Chris Sparks

Well,  '69 or '70 full size cars had front mounted power antennas. 
Maybe one of those could be adapted.  They are the kind that are flush
with the sheetmetal when the antenna is down, too.  Don't have 2 or 3
inches sticking above the fender like the rear units do.  I drove a '69
Royale once that had a power fender antenna.  Shoulda swiped it (it was
a trade-in).  These might be kinda rare though...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:15:22 -0500
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: ? about a 64 Super 88

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> While eating our Thanksgiving grub, we were telling our various stories.
> My aunt brought up the topic of Oldsmobiles. She claims that her first
> Olds was a '64 Super 88 with a 414. I thought they had 394's? To settle
> the score, I need an answer from those who'd know. Was there a 414 in
> that car?
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
The largest engine for Olds at that time was the 394, although Chrysler
did have the 413 at the same time.

Eric Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:18:01 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: '70 Olds 88

  i like the 70 88 2dr what state is this car in 

  olds guy....

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:23:33 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: ? about a 64 Super 88

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> While eating our Thanksgiving grub, we were telling our various stories.
> My aunt brought up the topic of Oldsmobiles. She claims that her first
> Olds was a '64 Super 88 with a 414. I thought they had 394's? To settle
> the score, I need an answer from those who'd know. Was there a 414 in
> that car?

I think your aunt has had too much turkey with that chemical in it that
makes you sleepy.  Her '64 couldn't have had a 414 in it.  They only had
394s.  Maybe hers had 4:14 gears?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:00:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Trans h*lp, '55 Olds

Had a problem with Robert's account, he's back with us now... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Robert A Sanders <rsanders@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Trans h*lp

I really enjoy reading the commentary on the mail list, but now I have a
question about a trans transplant.  I have a '55 Olds Super 88 324 with
an auto trans.  Will any newer model auto trans bolt on or is there a
company that can make an adapter so that I can use a more modern auto
trans with this engine?  Also, I can't get the distributor out of the
engine.  To adjust the timing, I have to use both hands and a great
effort just to move it a tiny bit.  How do you extract the distributor
without damage (yes, I did remove the hold down bolt). Thanks for any
info.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:25:49 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 442 4drs?

At 08:11 PM 11/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
Clarence

        The first year (1964) 442's had 10 4 doors produced. I used to own
one of them. It was a Deluxe F-85 4 door with a 330 and a 4spd. Had all the
emblems and the correct codes. Bought it from an older gentleman who had
purchased it new. Neat car. It was Aqua with a matching interior.

Jim Chermack


>Hello Everyone.
>
>Hope everyone in the US is enjoying a nice Thanksgiving with family and
friends.
>
>I was setting around (washing and waxing the Cutlass) while the wife and
>mother inlaw were fixing the greatmeal wondering what it would of been like
>if Olds would of produced 4dr 442's in the 80's.  I have heard that there
>might be a couple from the first year that the 442's apeared.  Its just a
>thought that crossed my mind.  Some companys were  or have built 4dr
>performance cars, or at least one that I can think of off the top of my
>head. What would the car have been like, what options would it have ect.
>Also why did Olds not use the same front clip and rear lights as they did on
>the 2drs as on the 4drs? 
>
>I dont know if these questions have been asked or not but I was just wondering.
>
>
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4dr 307 O/D
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
>San Antonio
>

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:55:56 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Erik Badzinski wrote:

> Also, on my '72 Cutlass, I have the Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
> which looks like it was the EGR one.  But it looks like they just took
> off the EGR and put a gasket and cover over it.  Will this affect the
> car any?

It should....I wouldn't complain about it, either.  An EGR draws burned
exhaust gases, and these spent gases are used to dilute the fresh
air/fuel mixture in the cylinders.  Hence this will reduce emissions,
but it draws away from the max output of the engine.  With the EGR gone,
the engine is always drawing in a fresh air/fuel mixture....and presto; 
more vroom-vroom.  If you removed the EGR yourself, you may want to
richen the carb a little, otherwise it may run a little lean.  And, of
course, running an engine lean is not the best thing for it....

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:04:12 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
> changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
> does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does that
> relate to in metric figures please?
 
A quart is 946ml, and a pint is roughly half a quart.  If I'm not
mistaken, there's a U.S. and an Imperial quart...one is 0.946L, and the
other is around 1.1L (to the best of my knowledge).  The only 'quart'
I've seen in Canada is the 946ml one, which is usually found on Pennzoil
and Valvoline bottles.  

I thought switching to metric was supposed to make things *easier*!  I
can convert KM/H to MPH (and vice versa) without a problem, but it's the
U.S./Imperial gallons that always confuse me...one is 3.78L, and the
other is 4.45L...

To hell with metric...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:11:21 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 442 4drs?

Jim,

     Have you ever wonder what a mid 80's 442 4dr would have been like if
they were ever made?  I was just trying to imagine what it would have been like.
I also wonder why the mid 80's 4dr's used a different front clip and rear
than the 2drs did.   

     Would a 4dr 442 have the same color schemes(sp) as the 2drs inteior ect.
All them trim and emblems ect.

     I am an Olds fan that is on a budget that is not giving enought for me
to own a real 442 or HO.  So I was thinking that maybe making some thing
diffrent yet nice and kind of factory looking.  I guess that is what started
me thinking of the 4dr 442 idea.  But I just dont know if it would be a good
idea or not.
I have been eyeing a couple Olds around the area just havent found any in my
price range.

Oh well just a thought.

  



At 01:25 AM 11/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>At 08:11 PM 11/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Clarence
>
>        The first year (1964) 442's had 10 4 doors produced. I used to own
>one of them. It was a Deluxe F-85 4 door with a 330 and a 4spd. Had all the
>emblems and the correct codes. Bought it from an older gentleman who had
>purchased it new. Neat car. It was Aqua with a matching interior.
>
>Jim Chermack
>
>
>>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: console pts needed

 jim got to looking at console  in  attic,
   need upper haLf unbolts from bottom houses lid, hinge plate...

   hope you under stand....

olds guy.....

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:21:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity

Fill it up until it runs out the hole or you can touch it through the
hole.I think you should pay someone else to work on your car

On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:

> Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
> changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
> does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does that
> relate to in metric figures please?
> 
> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
> 
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St. 
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:22:28 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey

Welcome, Nick.
I've just gotten myself into a '63 98 convert that's going to need a full
restoration, and like you don't know too much about the big cars.

There's a lot of talent on this list to help both of us. 

Peter
CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:30:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Stroking an Olds?

the best thing to do would be to take all that shit you are calling parts
to a salvage yard. a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs more than a
383 chevy and produce around 99%less hp

On Mon, 24 Nov 1997, Chris Matthes wrote:

> At 12:29 PM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is this possible? I've just been doing some math and found out that if I
> >used an early 400 crank with 3.975 stroke that I could get 411 cid out
> >of my 350. And if I could use a 455 crank, I could get about 440 cid.
> >Would there be any point in doing this, other than I can't find an early
> >400 crank. Heck, I was lucky enough just to find a 1970 350 N.I. crank!
> >
> >But, I'm sure all this is impossible due to some technicallity that is
> >beyond my knowledge. But, c'mon, sh*tvy can take a 350 and 400 and come
> >up with a 383.
> >-- 
> >**********************************
> >Matt Cremean
> >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >CreamerSoftİ Software
> >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> >http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> >**********************************
> >
> dont know about the rest of ya, but, i go out to the garage at least once a
> week and stroke my olds's.
> 
> Chris Matthes
> 67 c/s
> 73 cutlass
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:31:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Mobil 1

I'm in the middle of an engine over-haul, a rocket 350, and have been
thinking about using an oil like Mobil 1 as a break in oil and later too.
Would this be a good idea or not? I'd like to hear what other's have used
in new motors and have to say about this.

>Sure, synthetic oils are the way to go, if you don't mind the elevated
>costs that are associated with it, such as a jump from $1.79 to $6.49
>per liter...(I'm a Canadian).
>
>I'm certainly convinced that synthetic oils will lubricate your engine
>better, protect during cold starts, etc.  I've heard a few horror
>stories regarding synthetics, though.  Number one...synthetic oil will
>find any potential oil leak your engine may have.  It's molecules are
>smaller, so any small "sweat" around your oil pan or rocker covers will
>soon turn into a leak.  Number two...if your engine uses any oil,
>synthetic oils will gum up the plugs and combustion chamber terribly,
>which will decrease plug life...(this is only a *rumour*).
>
>But here's some food for thought...an "associate" of mine (friend of a
>friend...) had a '77 GMC truck.  He switched over from Valvoline 10W-30
>to Castrol Syntec 5W-50.  He didn't flush the crankcase, which was full
>of 20 years worth of residue.  He added a bottle of oil treatment (aka.
>Wonder-bullsh*t).  This caused some sort of a chemical reaction, and
>made the oil as viscous as water, which seized the engine.  Since he was
>towing a tractor, he left the truck out there in the field for six or
>eight hours.  He had it towed back to his garage, where he drained the
>oil out...it was as thin as water, even though the oil was only at room
>temperature.  (the oil was only a couple days old, and it looked like it
>has five thousand miles on it...black as coal.)
>I'm told that the combination of conventional oil (even residue),
>synthetic oil, and oil treatment can cause a chemical breakdown of the
>oil, stripping it's lubricating abilities.
>
>If you're going to try synthetic, flush your crankcase first...just to
>be on the safe side.



Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:33:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Unless if you've richened the mixture you have created instant detonation

On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Dave Ward wrote:

> Erik Badzinski wrote:
> 
> > Also, on my '72 Cutlass, I have the Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
> > which looks like it was the EGR one.  But it looks like they just took
> > off the EGR and put a gasket and cover over it.  Will this affect the
> > car any?
> 
> It should....I wouldn't complain about it, either.  An EGR draws burned
> exhaust gases, and these spent gases are used to dilute the fresh
> air/fuel mixture in the cylinders.  Hence this will reduce emissions,
> but it draws away from the max output of the engine.  With the EGR gone,
> the engine is always drawing in a fresh air/fuel mixture....and presto; 
> more vroom-vroom.  If you removed the EGR yourself, you may want to
> richen the carb a little, otherwise it may run a little lean.  And, of
> course, running an engine lean is not the best thing for it....
> 
> ---------------------------------------- 
> S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 
> 
> '78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
> '85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
> '91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)
> 
> (Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:32:00 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:


>>>Bench racing is part of cars]

(pull soapbox over to microphone, stand up, clear throat..)

Sure, I can agree with you there.  Bench racing is a part of *any*
motorsport.  How far it's carried out is a completely different thing,
though.  I've got no problem with reading letters from people saying
about how fast their car is, but it's nothing short of annoying when it
gets to the "AM TOO!", "ARE NOT!" stage.  (kinda like the 789hp 307
"custom smogger"!)

>>>I pers dont hold a grudge against any q4 or anti-ford owners, its all in fun to me.

Some people call me ignorant/prejudcial towards Ford...me saying that
they're junk and all.  I've owned Fords, driven Fords, worked on
Fords...and I strongly dislike them.  (The DIS on the 3.8 SC and 3.0L
SHO is terrible!  You almost need to carry a spare module in the
trunk!)  The term "ignorance" means to make a judgement without knowing
the facts...well, I know the facts, and you know what my judgement is
towards them...therefore I don't consider myself ignorant at all.  The
FWD Ford cars are junk, and I'm not real crazy about the new "jellybean"
F-150's.  I still like the Mustangs, though...they're quick, and look
can look great with minimal $. (But, all things being equal, I'd rather
have a '71 4-4-2 convertible!)  When I cut up Fords, the part about the
Mustangs is all in fun...all other times, I usually mean it...

>>>But i think its rediculous that 1 person has the right to say what is shown on the list.

Hmmm...tough call.  Yes, it is...*but*, Greg is only looking out for
everyone's best interest.  If people start taking offence to the
postings, they'll be gone like the Lada Diesel.  I'd rather have a list
that has certain restrictions, as opposed to being offended...

> Im not being corny, but im damn PROUD of my freedom in america. to many
> people lost their lives in wartime for that priceless freedom.  Ive read many
> non-olds stories, and you know what, i dont mind.  Nothing personal, just my
> thoughts on the subject.

I'm all for freedom of speech, but there's nothing better to end it than
five knuckles and a mouth full of Chiclets...

(step off soapbox, turn off mic, go out for a cold beer...)

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:45:05 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Mobil 1

Gary Harrod wrote:
 
>>>I'm in the middle of an engine over-haul, a rocket 350

Sounds *great* so far..., 

>>>and have been thinking about using an oil like Mobil 1 as a break in oil and later too.
>>>Would this be a good idea or not? I'd like to hear what other's have used
>>>in new motors and have to say about this.

I'd suggest *not* using a synthetic during the break in period.  A new
engine needs to wear a certain amount for the valves to seat properly,
and for the rings to conform to any small abnormalities in the cylinder
walls.  By using a synthetic, everything is so slippery that it hardly
wears at all.  Yes, the engine may last longer (to a degree), but as I
said before, everything may not be sealing correctly (if a valve doesn't
seal right, all your compression will go out your tailpipe, and you'll
get p*ssed off with your new motor, and wonder why it's missing).  Most
synthetic oil manufacturers say to avoid synthetic fluids for the first
two oil changes.  After a few thousand miles, all of the filings will be
removed, and the engine will be broken in, so then you can start with
your synthetic.

If I were in your position, I'd use conventional for the first 1000km
(600 miles), change the oil and filter, and fill it with conventional
again.  Drive for about 2000km (1200 miles) this time, then drain the
oil and change the filter.  Then fill 'er up with synthetic, and she'll
be good to go...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 21:47:09 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
 
>>>Unless if you've richened the mixture you have created instant detonation

In other words, you'd better pucker up to the air cleaner, and kiss your
engine goodbye....

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:06:39 -0400
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: Convertible Top Replacement

Hi Gang,

I'm looking for recommendations for or against replacing the convertible top
on my '68 442 by myself.  Is this something that a reasonably skilled person
can do?  If not, how much should I expect to pay for a professional to do
the work?  If it is something that you feel can be done at home, are there
any books/videos you would recommend?  Any tips/tricks?  I have the Body
Service Manual, and it seems to go into detail about the procedure.  It
seems pretty involved, but given that I am not in a BIG hurry, it seems doable.

Thanks for any help.
Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:08:20 -0800
From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Mobil 1

Gary Harrod wrote:

> I'm in the middle of an engine over-haul, a rocket 350, and have been
> thinking about using an oil like Mobil 1 as a break in oil and later too.
> Would this be a good idea or not? I'd like to hear what other's have used
> in new motors and have to say about this.

Gary,

Mobil 1 is a great oil but should not be used for engine break-in.  I don't
remember the exact reason but it has something to do with it being
synthetic.  You should use any 10W-40 to break it in for 300 miles or so and
then you can change to Mobil 1.

Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@mindspring.com

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:51:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 15x chrome wheels, etc.

OK, in the latest JWO which 3rd class recipients might not have gotten yet...
is, among other items of interest, the following, which always seem to have
buyers...

'83-up chrome & gold 15x7 wheels excellent condition, $550, set of 4. MI phone
number: 517-645-7366 7-10pm EST.

My info says this is Ashley Jones.

On another thread, I saw a hot rod ? magazine the other day, with the "10 best
Olds" article... I swear, not one car mentioned was devoid of technical error
in the text...

But in an ad in the back, was a rather interesting "airbox" designed to feed
cold air to the motor, very much like the '68-9 W30 air cleaner- 2 snorkles 80
or 110 degrtees apart. Fairly cheap at about $100. Email them at

ramairbx@wchat.on.ca

says the ad.

typos, gotta love 'em too much lag tonite to bother fixin em...

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:56:39 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
> 
> the best thing to do would be to take all that shit you are calling parts
> to a salvage yard. a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs more than a
> 383 chevy and produce around 99%less hp
> 

WOW PAL! YOU'RE AWESOME!!! I wish I had your charisma! Who the hell let
this guy on the list?!

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:07:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Well for one thing I am tired of hearing everyone on here throw off on
chevys.Ok maybe I was a little harsh but after all oldsmobile is a Gm
product just as chevy. 

On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Matt Cremean wrote:

> Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
> > 
> > the best thing to do would be to take all that shit you are calling parts
> > to a salvage yard. a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs more than a
> > 383 chevy and produce around 99%less hp
> > 
> 
> WOW PAL! YOU'RE AWESOME!!! I wish I had your charisma! Who the hell let
> this guy on the list?!
> 
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:15:45 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Matt Cremean wrote:

>Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:

>>>the best thing to do would be to take all that shit you are calling parts
>>>to a salvage yard. a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs more than a
>>>383 chevy and produce around 99%less hp

You mean that you weigh 600lbs and your Chevy has killed 99% of your
brain cells?  That's what I *thought* you said!

>>>WOW PAL! YOU'RE AWESOME!!! I wish I had your charisma! Who the hell let
>>>this guy on the list?!

I dunno Matt...but I got a tire iron and a roll of duct tape which is
about to become employed very shortly...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:20:01 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever

d houlton x0710 wrote:

>>>Perhaps you should re-read the charter that was e-mailed to you when you
>>>joined this list.  Being a member and posting inane, whining high-school level
>>>"my-car-is-faster-than-yours" crap

I was about to say something in defense of this, but then I stopped and
realised how true it was...high schools are the ultimate breeding
grounds for bench racing.  Not that it's a bad thing, though...it's
never an ongoing battle...it usually ends after an hour of heated
discussion, and a WOT run down the highway. This is usually solved by
one of two methods:  1) whoever can create the most smoke from a 30
second brake stand, wins; or, 2) a side-by-side WOT run down a straight
two-lane road.  Whoever passes a certain point first wins (usually two
miles).  Acceleration, cornering, and all of that B.S. doesn't
count...it's top speed all the way.  *That's* how you separate the
American cubic inches from the Japanese 1.6 litre twin-turbo's.

I watched a '79 Trans Am 403 beat a '95 RX-7.  The RX-7 had the Trans Am
beat, but the computer shut it down once it hit 200km/h...so the *OLDS
POWERED* Trans Am blew past it.  The RX-7 was quick till about
180...then it started to do the "finger-walk" up to 200, where the
computer shut it down.  It wouldn't start making power until the car
slowed past 160!  It just helps prove the point that transistors,
resistors, capacitors, LED's, and zener diodes DO NOT belong in an
engine! 

(Except for solid-state ignition, of course...)


- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 19:25:34 -0800
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Convertible Top Replacement]

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Bob,

I recently replaced the top on my '70 cutlass.  I bought the top
at "Brothers" where I also got an instruction 'manual'.  

It does take some time but, if you go slow and follow the 
directions, it's quite easy.  You're supposed to use a partner
here and there, but I ended up doing the entire thing myself
and am happy with the result.  

The parts were about 275-300.  

To have it done professionally, my estimates were between
$600-$750.  I'm in California, so you may find it cheaper
where you are... don't know...


Good luck,

Curtis

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Hi Gang,

I'm looking for recommendations for or against replacing the convertible top
on my '68 442 by myself.  Is this something that a reasonably skilled person
can do?  If not, how much should I expect to pay for a professional to do
the work?  If it is something that you feel can be done at home, are there
any books/videos you would recommend?  Any tips/tricks?  I have the Body
Service Manual, and it seems to go into detail about the procedure.  It
seems pretty involved, but given that I am not in a BIG hurry, it seems doable.

Thanks for any help.
Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:27:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Wanted: OL4B experience

OK, so, I have these two old OL4B intakes [I know, an embarrassment of riches,
what can I say?], and was wondering how they are to actually run with. Anyone
have any experience with these bad boys? They seem to be dual plane but with
really large runners, I'g guessing that they want a big-inch small block like
the 403, with big valves, and a pretty hot cam, and will offer lots of upper
end power but not much low end grunt, making racey gears a great complement.

And, does it fit w/ an HEI? I haven't very many small blocks around handy to
try the swapping. Got to stacking heads in the garage the other day, though,
have 10 pair just in the garage w/ no home... c,c,g,4A,etc. yeesh. I'd sell the
G's for pretty cheap. Found a #2 at the scrap yard last week. Newish xst
valves, still look shiny. Not rocker shafts, but not the usual 5/16" bolt
either.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:32:12 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
 
>>>Well for one thing I am tired of hearing everyone on here throw off on
>>>chevys.

"Throw off" on Chevy's?  How about "Throw Up" on Chevy's!

>>>Ok maybe I was a little harsh

A little harsh?  "A little harsh" doesn't quite cover it!  That was a
cardinal sin! 

Here's a little tip (you've likely heard from Greg by now, too)....if
your point is severe enough to use language as demonstrated below, edit
out the vowels at least.  Using the words (w/ no vowels) isn't a
problem, but try and keep them to a minimum.  Yes, we all know what
these words mean, how to spell them, when to use them, etc, so it's not
like you're teaching any of us something new!

>>>a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs

You must drive a little 2200lb. import then....I'll say this much:  When
we meet head-on at a closing speed of 110mph, they'll be burying your
body in a Sucrets box, and I'll be apologizing to your relatives! 

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:37:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Hey evidently it doesn't take alot to be an ASE Master Tech./ Gm Master
Tech. if you say I lost all my brain cells.I do own an olds, and also work
at an olds dealer. My street driven olds runs 11.90's no bottle at Bristol
International Dragway. Maybe that's too slow you might want to try my
Chevy its quite a bit faster, or my Buick GN? Sorry we weren't talking
about Buicks.


 


On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Dave Ward wrote:

> Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> >Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
> 
> >>>the best thing to do would be to take all that shit you are calling parts
> >>>to a salvage yard. a 383 slowsmobile would weigh about 600lbs more than a
> >>>383 chevy and produce around 99%less hp
> 
> You mean that you weigh 600lbs and your Chevy has killed 99% of your
> brain cells?  That's what I *thought* you said!
> 
> >>>WOW PAL! YOU'RE AWESOME!!! I wish I had your charisma! Who the hell let
> >>>this guy on the list?!
> 
> I dunno Matt...but I got a tire iron and a roll of duct tape which is
> about to become employed very shortly...
> 
> ----------------------------------------- 
> S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 
> 
> '78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
> '85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
> '91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)
> 
> (Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)
> 

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:58:37 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: [Fwd:  Dyno Construction]

- --Info just lifted hot off the DIY EFI email list. Had a quick look at
the web page, lotsa food for thought.  Definitly worth a look. 

eric schumacher wrote:
> 
> Check out  http://crash.ihug.co.nz/~geoff/dyno.htm   for dyno construction

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:43:08 -0500
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Well for one thing I am tired of hearing everyone on here throw off on
chevys.Ok maybe I was a little harsh but after all oldsmobile is a Gm
product just as chevy. 

Then it is your choice to leave the list if you desire.  You certainly do
not have to listen to someone trashing Ch*vys.  But if you stay, I
guarantee you'll hear more of it.   Remember this:  Ch*vy , F*rd, AMC, or
M*par doesn't get preferential treatment on this OLDSMOBILE list.  If it
doesn't say OLDS on it, it's just another car.  We tend to poke fun at
anything non-Olds, no bad blood or confrontational tones intended.  We are
a select group of people that are here on this list to revere OLDSMOBILE, a
GM marque.  The FIRST GM marque, by the way.  Ch*vy can never be first in
that department. We don't care about catering to the other marques,
regardless if it's GM or not.  Nothing bad against them, but, if you want
to talk about the other makes, please go to one of THEIR lists.  Unless of
course it's something that can be also utilized for Oldsmobiles.  I can't
speak for others on this list, but that's why I joined it, because it was
supposed to only be about OLDSES!!!   Ain't it cool?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:48:26 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles Available-'69 Toro

You know, Lisa, you can tell if it's a W-34 by checking the trans code.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmobiles Available
> Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 9:12 PM
> 
> Don't forget I have a '69 Toronado for sale here folks, bargain price
(need
> to clear out the backyard).  Might be a W-34 (can't tell, can explain in
> detail elsewhere), 455.  Has ran, but without the starter relay now so
> can't tune up or work out the bugs of sitting for 5 years.  Good body,
good
> interior (not perfect in either case but all there) $900 OBO, discount if

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:32:51 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: the great 442 controversy

Yes the '66 W-30s were *Tri-Carb*, not tri-power.  (We Tri-Carb guys are a
little sensitive about that. Ha!)  I won't go into the "actual" horsepower
differences here, but 
the "66 has a big weight advantage & part of "fast" is how much weight
you're trying to move!

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: the great 442 controversy
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 5:39 PM
> 
> I'm no olds expert, but I was under the impression that the '70 442s were
> the fastest because that's the only year with a 10.25 to 1 compression
455.
> Are the 66 W-30's the ones with tri-power?  Is that enough to make a 400 
> faster than a 455?

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 22:55:34 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds...pics avail????

Best pics I've seen is the original '66 Hairy Olds featured in detailed in
the May 1966 issue of Hot Rod.  It's also on the cover. Quite an amazing
car.  A period "funnycar" for sure!  Yes it was wrecked, then the '67 was
put together.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds...pics avail????
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 1:22 PM
> 
> Is there any way to get ANY pics of the 67 hurst hairy olds????  B/w or
> color???
> that would be nice to have.  I see they use one sometimes on the cover of
the
> olds perf chapter magazine, its small and in b/w, but they gotta get that
pic
> from somewhere, right???
> Bernie

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 20:36:24 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: T-Day

Greetings from finally dry but cool California - it rained so hard
yesterday (a downpour with driving rain) that my windshield didn't even
leak!@!

Need to replace the above -reference windshield along with all the rubber,
go figure, the only intact door rubber is on the two rear doors and they
both LEAK when you wash the car.  The '64 with ratty tatty window rubber
and the front doors of the VC missing chunks plus the '66 Toro dehydrated
rubber DONT LEAK.  WHY?  At a recent Olds show it was funny to hear a group
discussing when their windows did or didn't leak (only in a drizzle for one
guy!).

Hoping everyone drives safely and doesn't get too closely acquainted with
any other cars this long weekend.

Enjoy!

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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