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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, October 26 1997       Volume 01 : Number 923



Re: Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added
Title Search
Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Title Search
Re: Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds
70 W-30 Convertable
Re: Nagging Noise!
subscribe
Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
test!  dont read
Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??
Parts Search 70 442
Re: Parts Search 70 442
1969 Delta 88 Convertible
[none]
JWO ads: W25 pins, tetc.
Re: Octane booster
Re: Parts Search 70 442
W31 xman ª's
alum. manifold forsale
W41 spotted
W31 Harmonic Bal'r ID
AT => MT
H/O lightning rod shifters
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
[none]
Re: Value
7a vs 7A heads
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Rare Toro?
TH200 trans cores for WHAT?
New Carpet for D-88...
Cars Wanted
Toro for Sale
Re: Rare Toro?
Re: Cold Heater
Re: Parts Search 70 442

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:34:49 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added

Great pic's - both of your car & Lansing.  I can hardly imagine seeing that
many of the same year in one place at one time!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 23:49:10 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Title Search

I'd like to do a title search for my car originally purchased in
Oklahoma.  ANyone out there know of a internet method of doing this or
someone in Oklahoma know the address of where I could send an inquiry.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:53:50 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all
or part

This just reminded me I'd like to find a set of brown, gold or white rear
seat belts - all hardware & acces. needed.

Anyone?  I got a great set of green ones to trade or ?

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

> >clearer! A recap here. '74-79: non computer controlled, aka 4-wire HEI.
> >'80-'88 or '90: computer controlled, aka 7-wire HEI. The computer
> >controlled the vacuum advance, so there is no vacuum pot. If it's one of
> >these later year models and has a carb, it's probably a 7-wire HEI.

In Canada, carbureted V8 (haven't checked V6's) models didn't receive CCC
until 1986. Therefore, some '80-'85 models could serve as HEI donors up
here.  BTW, I recently purchased a 4 pin module at the dealer for ~$38 Cdn
(~$27 U.S.), quite a bit cheaper than they were a few years ago.

> Hate to make you revise the FAQ again, but I pulled a HEI from
> a 1980 Delta 88 in Beloit last month that has a 5 pin HEI module.
> The fifth wire exits the dist. on the opposite side from the usual wires,
> and this one still has the vacuum advance.  Indications are that the 5th
> wire
> goes to a special knock sensor.  This sensor module instructs the
> HEI module to retard timing if knock is detected.
> This is a pre-computer attempt at timing control.

I think the system you are referring to is known as ESS (Electronic Spark
Selection).  Basically, the ESS decoder advances or retards the spark
curve in response to the following inputs: engine vacuum, coolant
temperature, crank signal.  A delayed spark is desirable during
cranking to reduce the load on the starting system, especially on a hot
engine.  The spark is advanced above the normal setting during cruise
conditions, identified by a high manifold vacuum and greater than 1350 rpm
(1200 for some) engine speed.  The spark isn't modified during other
conditions.  The preceding is from a 1980 Cadillac service manual.
Olds V8's didn't receive a knock sensor until '88.  Interesting info on
the different HEI coils!  Are the 1980+ ones the best?

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 02:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

Hi Bob,

> Of course, it might be easier to simply unhook the "+" wire to the
> alternator, or hook in a heavy-duty switch to turn it off during the run...

One precaution listed in service manuals, which I find particularly
interesting, admonishes, "Never operate the generator with the output
terminal open-circuited".  Does anyone know what may be damaged if this
occurs?  I've run a car with such a condition (unknowningly) for a couple
of minutes, apparently without any ill-effects.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 01:28:20 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>                                        C&M Classic Parts
>                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
>                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
>                                         (757)474-0869 or
>                                      <chermac@exis.net>
>Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
>We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
>New Parts:
____________________________________________________________________
>66 442 Grille w/Bar (nice)  $200.00
>66 442 W-30 Core Support  (nice) $150.00
>66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
>67 442/Cutlass Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
>67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $120.00
>67-69  3 Spd. Auto Console (black, complete, nice)  $175.00
>69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00
>69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
>68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $85.00
>68-72 350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
>68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
>68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
>68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
>68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
>68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $35.00
>68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
>68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
>69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
>69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
>64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
>68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00
>68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
>70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
>71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
>70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
>70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
>68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
>64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
>67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
>70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
>Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
>
>New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
>_______________________________________________
>66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
>68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
>69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
>70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
>70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
>70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea
>71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
>71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
>71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
>71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea
>71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
>72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
>
>Used Parts
>_______________________________________________
>64 Cutlass/442
>RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
>Front Bumper Core  $50.00
>F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
>
>65 Cutlass/442
>65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $10.00 ea
>65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00
>65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00
>
>66 Cutlass/442
>66  400/425 "B" dash 1 heads (66 Big Block) Big Valves (bare) $250.00
>66  Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
>66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
>66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $125.00 ea, 220.00 pr
>66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
>66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
>66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $120.00
>66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
>66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
>66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
>66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
>66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
>66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
>66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $200.00 set
>66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
>F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
>
>67 Cutlass/442
>66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
>67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
>67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
>67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
>67 400 442 intake manifolds ª390390  $90.00 ea
>67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
>67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
>67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $55.00
>66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
>66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
>66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
>66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
>67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
>67 442 Grille Bar  (good)  $30.00
>67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
>67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
>67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
>67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
>67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
>67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (excellent)  $135.00
>67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
>67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $200.00
>
>68 Cutlass/442
>68 AM Radio  $25.00
>68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
>68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr
>68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
>68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
>68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
>68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
>Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
>68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
>68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
>68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
>68-72 Cowl mouldings  $35.00 ea
>68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr
>
>69 Cutlass/442
>69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
>69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
>69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $155.00 pr
>69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $200.00
>69 Bucket Seats (black)  $50.00 pr
>69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
>69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
>69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $20.00 ea
>68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
>68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
>68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
>69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
>69-72 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
>69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
>69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
>68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
>68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
>69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
>69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
>69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $250.00
>69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
>69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
>69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea
>
>70 Cutlass/442
>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $100.00 set
>70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
>70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
>70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
>70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $125.00
>70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
>70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
>70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $75.00
>70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
>70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
>70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
>70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
>70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
>69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
>69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
>69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
>70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
>70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
>70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea
>70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
>70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $200.00

>70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
>70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea
>
>71 Cutlass/442
>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
>71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $250.00
>71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
>71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
>71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
>71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
>71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
>71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
>71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
>71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
>70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
>71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>
>72 Cutlass/442
>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
>71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
>71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
>72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
>71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
>72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>
>We will be at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th of November in Chesapeake VA.
>
>****C&M wil be closed from Monday 27 October to 2 November.****
>
>* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
>adjustments on prices without notice.
>
>Jim Chermack
>OCA ª24275
>

Have any 1970 Black Vinyl buckets for a 1970 Cutlass, or Rallye 350?

Shayne Horn
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 04:24:06 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Title Search

>I'd like to do a title search for my car originally purchased in
>Oklahoma.  ANyone out there know of a internet method of doing this or
>someone in Oklahoma know the address of where I could send an
inquiry.>


Try contacting OK's Dept. of motor vehicles.  some  states will do a
registration history search for a small fee.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 05:15:57 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds

Can't remember of I thanked you for pointing me to Snake Oyl.
They had what I needed.

Gary Andresen

Gary Manton wrote:
>
> Try Ssnake Oyl Products at 903-769-4555
>
> G
>
> At 06:15 AM 10/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >My '55 "88" 2-door hardtop is about ready for it's new interior.
> >Would like sources for seatbelts with GM logo like out of '70's
> >cars.  The interior is three shades of gray, so guess black or
> >gray would work.
> >
> >Can you still get the old lap-only style from GM dealers??
> >
> >Any other ideas??
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Gary Andresen
> >
> >
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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jdinger15@aol.com
Subject: 70 W-30 Convertable

I'm looking at buying one of these great cars. I would appreciate any help in
determining what a fair price would be based on various conditions. Thanks!!!

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 07:38:23 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Nagging Noise!

Leave your wife home next time.

- ----------
> From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
> To: oldsmo <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Nagging Noise!
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 12:21 PM
>
> My '72 442 makes a sort of "rotating/rattling" noise starting at about
> 50mph and goes away at, maybe, 70mph.  it gets pretty loud, too, but you
> don't hear it from outside of the car.  the sound appears to be coming
> from near the transmission (turbo 400), but we all know how sound can
> travel.  when i'm driving at 50mph, i shift the car into neutral and the
> noise disappears, but, while still in neutral, i'll rev the engine to
> about the same rpm where the noise was prevalent and the noise returns -
> so that rules out the tranny and rear.  i have a couple of ideas so far:
> fan clutch malfunction, flywheel might be cracked, torque convertor
> malfunction, power steering pump.  i say p/s pump only because the shaft
> IS bent (even rattles at idle) and have another '72 pump to replace it
> with.
>
> any ideas???

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:55:44 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: subscribe



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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 10:57:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all
or part

cushing, okla.,  and i already posted this once.  but here go`s;  cushing is
25 miles s/e of oklahoma state university witch is in stillwater okla.
    for more details call route 66 auto restorations and ask for pete .   the
yard was his fathers and he is taking care of it now.      ph ª
 (918)-968-2366        tell him steven sent you!     hope this helps, steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 11:58:20 EDT
From: W30442CS <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: test!  dont read

x-----------z

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 12:15:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??

Scott, I installed a shift kit in my C*m*ro's 700 and discovered it was much
more complicated than my Cutlass's 350.  Of course, it might have been easier
if I hadn't been on my back!  You will need some internal snap ring pliers.

In a message dated 97-10-24 12:57:33 EDT, you write:

> Hey guys!
>  I'm helping a friend with some tranny trouble, and I might end up
>  rebuilding a THM700-R4 (1985 vintage), and I was wondering if anybody out
>  there has any experience with these things.  Any advice, books I should
>  look at, problems I'll have, special tools, etc would be greatly
>  appreciated.  I've done manual transmissions before, but not an automatic.
>  Having built all kinds of engines, and repaired just about everything else
>  on cars, I'm not really afraid of an automatic rebuild...just wondering
>  what to expect.  Thanks in advance...
>
>  Scott
>  1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 13:04:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Parts Search 70 442

Hi All,
         I will be putting my 70 442 back together in the coming mounths and
will be needing to find some odds and ends to finish it. I am looking for a
N.O.S  or good used accelerator cable part number 408863, speedo cable number
6478175 and a speedo adapter number 535614. I also need some info on what
gray to use on the
SSII wheels. All help or leads will be greatly appreciated.    Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:20:00 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Search 70 442

- -----Original Message-----
From: SRB442@aol.com <SRB442@aol.com>
>N.O.S  or good used accelerator cable part number 408863,
KMB Warehouse 1-800-475-1227

>speedo cable number 6478175
Chicago Auto 1-800-313-2414

>speedo adapter number 535614
Couldn't find one.

I used http://www.partsvoice.com/ to locate these parts. I put in the
numbers you listed and this was the responses given.

Daren

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 14:50:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: FSN6998@aol.com
Subject: 1969 Delta 88 Convertible

Car for sale.  Standard disclaimers, I am not the owner.  I have no financial
interest in this, etc. etc.
1969 Delta 88 Convertible.  Red with original black top and white interior.
 455, C-60 A/C, AM radio.  Drum brakes all around.  Approx. 70K miles.  All
chrome and pot metal is excellent.  Paint appears to be original.  Normal
parking lot dings.  Rust in front fenders behind wheels (routine on these
cars due to poor fit of the plastic inner fenders from the factory).  One
small rust spot on RR quarter.  Garaged all of its life.  Very nice original
car.  Was husband's car.  Husband died.  Wife moving to smaller place w/o
garage and wants to sell.  I was tempted to buy it myself, but reality (and
the fact that I already have 5 cars) set in.  She has had it appraised at
7,500.  Will take 5,000 to a good home.  I just want it to find a good home
so I don't have to buy it myself.
EMail me or contact owner: Ivalene Collis 301 868 5651  (Phone is for her
brother in law.  Just tell them you are calling about the Olds.)

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:06:26 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: [none]

From: gbro
Full-Name: Glenn B Brobeck
Stll looking For 1965 <4|4|2> LOST ONLY
Name:Address:
State:Phone:
 This is mine.                                            color:    Black
  AAInterior:    WhiteBuckets or bench:    Buckets4 speed or auto:    4
SpeedCoupe or Post:    Holiday CoupeIf you know of any out there for sale
or any parts, include them in your reply.Thanks,BRO    GBRO@juno.com65
<4|4|2>

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: JWO ads: W25 pins, tetc.

Found these inthe 11/97 JWO:

68-72 Cutlass front sway bars $10 each. Paul 847.658.2149, IL

Original Ram-Rod W31 heads, fully ported, $250, Jeff, 910.643.3044, NC

W25 hood locks, both for $6 [where's that guy a-lookin' fer these?]
810.227.3086, MI

81-88 H/O NOS hood scoop w/ mldgs $150, sans mldgs $65. Rear spoiler with above
scoop w/ mldgs $600. Also new radiators f/sale. A1 Auto Parts. Lansing MI
   517.322.2288

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 19:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane booster

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:13:06 EDT, you write:

<< Well I checked my local Unocal '76 station that sells 100 octane gas.
 They are asking $3.99/gallon!  That is too costly if you ask me.

 An optimal question would be how much on the 100 stuff should I add
 to the regular 92 octane gas to get a good running car?

 Chris Sparks
  >>
Hey Chris, the correct amount to add at $3.99  a gallon would be NONE!!

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts Search 70 442

Daren,
          Thanks for the quick response. I didn't relize there was such a
service on the net. Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:07:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W31 xman ª's

Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

 ps. if anyone finds out
what numbers are for 70 w-31 let me know will you, mine were missing on my
w-31 as well.    steven. w30442cs@aol.com
======================
Well, my info shows the standard LH xst manifold for that era to be ID "1" with
casting ª380001. The RH unit is ID "4", but the number must be hard to see,
because my database shows quite  a few recorded sightings, non list the casting
number.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:06:16 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: alum. manifold forsale

edelbrock 04b dual plane aluminum intake manifold (400,425,455) nice
shape. $100 includes shipping to anywhere in cont. US :)

olds442@en.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:43:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W41 spotted

Today I saw a nice looking "Quad 442" for sale on a used car lot.

I think I might have to stop & inquire...

Where was that "ªªª" printed again, on the truck sticker?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:46:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W31 Harmonic Bal'r ID

OK, someone was going to send me specific ID info for that elusive "W31
harmonic balancer" that is rumored to exist. Yet, it never happened.

Can anyone send me photos, photocopies, or just plain measurements? I
understand they are same diameter, but wider or longer on the fore-aft axis,
than std. ones.

At the boneyard I was a t a while back, I saw about 5 350's with wider than
usual HB's. Embarrassment of riches, as it were. If they turn out to match
*the* HB in question.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: AT => MT

Has anyone converted to a 4-speed before and what's the chore like?

Curtis
======================

Yep, did that. I got a pair of '67 Cutlai back in '78 or so, one crusty 4spd MI
car that my neighbor traded a strobe light for, and a rustless if somewhat
dinged out of state Cutlass Supreme with the AT. Both were pretty much
completely dismantled. So, naturally, I assembled the best body with the 4-spd
trans, the 3.90 gears from the MI car.

I took the flor pan section from the MI car where the shifter passed thru. I
think I threw the broken console out. {Doh!} Put the pedal ass'y from the MT
car in. Steering column. Dash w/o PRNDL. Firewall grommet for the clutch rod.
Had to torch off the frame end Z-bar mount, ended up bolting it to the other
frame rather than welding. Pretty straightforward if not time consuming.
Toughest part was finding a place [w/o manual or illustrations] to put the
clutch return spring's fwd end. I improvised, tied it to the headers, I think.
Oh, yeah, it had custom headers, too. That was an experience I'd rather not
repeat.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:54:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: H/O lightning rod shifters

Lightning rod shifters in JWO for cheap
======================
$150 I think.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:49:38 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

>regardless of what is being turned, a belt sucks up 4 or 5 horsepower

Really? You mean from the friction of the belts? Other than that, I can't
imagine a 4-5hp loss being the case, as an unclutched A/C pulley can easily
be spun by hand, so it can't take more than a small fraction of a horsepower
unit (unless I'm a *lot* stronger than I think... ;).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:49:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: [none]

>Good info. What about this:
>I haven't looked at an EGR equipped intake in detail, but aren't the
>"EGR injectors" really just openings (somewhere around 3/8") to the
>exhaust crossover passage? Would restricting the "injectors" and maybe
>correspondingly going with a less fat rod make sense in order to keep
>the EGR, but lessen it's affect during anything other than WOT?

The "injectors" are really tubes that extend upward from the manifold plenum
floor, and restrict the primary openings significantly.

>I can envision threading some pipe along the complete length of the
>injector so as to not create any low pressure/vacuum areas. The amount
>of exhaust gas is decreased, yet some is there to lower NoX formation,
>remain emmissions appearence legal, and most likely sniffer legal, and
>have a little more power available under part throttle conditions. It's
>easier to just get a non-EGR manifold, but what if you don't want to?

You could also experiment with different EGR valves (opening at different
levels), or modifying how the vacuum is fed to the EGR valve. I've still got
mine, but it's not hooked up. What I need to do is rejet the carb, though;
the original is way off from optimal. Between work and a new baby, not much
time for such things, though; as long as it runs, I'm fine for now. Some
more enterprising individual with an unlimited supply of different EGR
valves might want to experiment on this idea.

>
>Doing something like this is a reengineering effort. Ideas, experience?
>
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:49:35 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Value

>I'm looking at a rallye350. I offered the person 4000 dollars. He turned it
>down. The car needs all new interior, olds 455 instead of the stock 350,
>needs new paint, has no rust, and the underneath needs to be detailed. My
>question is did I offer him a way off price? Is the car worth more than that?

I think you offered him way too *much*! Unless the matching-numbers motor is
included, its collector's value is decreased, and it would cost a good
$4,000 more to make that car into a ª3-ª2 car. There's enough of them out
there (wasn't someone here parting one out?; sad, but nobody was interested
in resurrecting it).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 21:59:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 7a vs 7A heads

The 1970 350 was a pretty potent engine and well worth looking into.  It is
for this reason that I don't know about putting on 307 heads, at least 7a
heads!  There were two head designs on the 307's, the 5a heads and the 7a
heads.  The 5a's are supposed to flow much better and their ports line up
with aftermarket intake manifolds (and exhaust manifolds?).  The 7a heads
were the later design, put on 85 and later 307's and are supposed to flow
much worse.  But, for what it's worth, they will bolt up just fine.  You
might also need to take the intake manifold from the 307.  Hope this helps.
Jason K. Adcock
======================

Jason, others:
I'd like to see the lower case "a" used only for the earlier heads like the '72
7a & Ga heads, to signify the tiny [though in real life, upper case] "A" that
they used. That way, we can easily differentiate in this text medium between
the later heads, where the "A" is as large as the 7 and immediately adjacent to
it, and the earlier heads.

Just a suggestion.

I have even seen Ca heads, but on those, the C is almost as tiny as the tiny A.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 09:46:36 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

 Bob,

I've been meaning to talk to yoiu about that lack of bathing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>>regardless of what is being turned, a belt sucks up 4 or 5 horsepower
>
>Really? You mean from the friction of the belts? Other than that, I can't
>imagine a 4-5hp loss being the case, as an unclutched A/C pulley can easily
>be spun by hand, so it can't take more than a small fraction of a
horsepower
>unit (unless I'm a *lot* stronger than I think... ;).
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Rare Toro?

'67 Olds Toronado, project car.  FWD Big block, runs & drives.  Good for
parts or restoration.  $475 OBO.  509-326-5623, Jim.
========================

imagine that, a front wheel drive Toronado! Hey, with a BIG block motor?!
Whew, talk about rare!

Wait, maybe that's FOUR wheel drive Toro?!

Heh. Kinda redundantly repetitive, is it not?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 22:52:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: TH200 trans cores for WHAT?

- --TH200 tranny cores:

i am interested   to be used with 400 small block in 64 cutlass coupe where
are they located???
mr 57olds
=========================

Please, tell us this is a mere typo. Surely you are not putting a blow-tie
motor into a '64 Cutlass. Escpecially when the BIGGEST small block made is the
correct-for-Olds *403*... The only "400 small block" I have heard of is the
Blowtie version. Heck, why not have a 409 small block... Olds?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:04:03 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: New Carpet for D-88...

Message-ID: <344A96DB.6EF5@ptbo.igs.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:25:16 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; I)
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Subject: New Carpet for D-88...
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The carpet in my '78 Delta 88 is shot...once the floors were gone, it
didn't take long for the carpet to wear out.  Since I'll be
fibreglassing the floors soon, could someone tell me where I could buy a
new carpet?  Should I buy actual pre-cut GM carpet, or buy a different
automotive carpet, and cut it to size?  How much would the original cost
versus a generic cut-to-size?

(The carpet is bright red, if anyone's concerned)

Any help (and estimates) would be appreciated.

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:06:25 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Cars Wanted

I got this inquiry off my web page.  Reply to him privately - non-list member.

I am currently searching for a
1955 olds 88, or 1964 olds 98. I am not really concerned about the
condition. I am willing to restore these cars as a hobby.


Whatever information you can provide me, would be deeply appreciated.
My e-mail is peter@warwick.net

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:34:23 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Toro for Sale

Got this message off my web page.  Normal disclaimers (dont know 'em, etc.)

Reply to  the phone number below:

I am selling a 66 Toro with 65,000 orig. miles.,
        Seafoam green, straight body with a little rust,
        excellent mech. cond., power everything, am/fm/cass.
        w/amp., new exh., batt., brakes., front susp., shocks,
        drive any where, very dependable, $2,000.00
        firm.(508)865-0652(Ma.)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 25 Oct 1997 20:38:43 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Rare Toro?

Maybe I should advertise my '69 like that, its in the same price range :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 00:21:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cold Heater

In a message dated 97-10-25 02:35:41 EDT, you write:

<< In their wisdom they decided that that wouldn't happen again.  But instead
of
 making sure the exhaust was installed properly, they decided to "pressurize"
 the inside of the car!   They did this by deleting the "off" position on
 heaters and A/C units.  This way the car always had air flow, both from the
 movement of the car and the blower  staying on low speed. >>

They didn't delete the "off" position, they simply moved it over to the slide
control.  The fan switch could be left on "high" and when the slide was moved
to "off" the fan was "off".  If the temp slide bar is on "warm" and there is
cold
air coming in then I believe there is something in error....TIM

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Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 01:33:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts Search 70 442

i am putting a 70 442 together too and i need some parts.  one main thing i
need is a front bumper.  when i got the car it was in pieces and all the
parts were in boxes.  the bumper that came with the car came off a 68
cutlass.  does anyone in the state of florida have one for sale or wan't to
trade?

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403
70 442 w/455 (restoring)

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