
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, November 1 1997      Volume 01 : Number 933



Re: the Quad 442
Re: Beautiful day in central IL.
Re: Losing My Hearing, or, The Radio Is Getting Weak.
Re[2]: Dallas info needed
Re: 1967 Delta 88
RE: 1966 Delta 88
Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk
Re: Suspension Parts
69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale
Re: 1966 Delta 88
'66 Toro parts
86 olds 442 help please!!!!
Re: NEED 69 S convert peak trim rear qtr driver side
Re: Suspension Parts
Re: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale
Re: Split Fire
Re: Deserted Island.snip this?
ADMIN: Reducing Volume
Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk
Re: Deserted Island--the continuing saga
Re: Deserted Island.snip this?
Re: Split Fire
Re: Split Fire
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: Amsoil
Re: Split Fire
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: Hurst Olds Questions
Re: Amsoil
Re: in a movie
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: '62 Jetfire wiring harness
Re: Split Fire
1970 Cutlass W31 Page
RALLYE 350 WEB PAGE
carbs
wiring diagram on web
mid-MI crusher soon
Re: Suspension Parts
Aussie Olds
307Y
Re: in a movie
light engine
Re: wiring diagram on web
Holley carb H*lp?
EFI fuel pumps
exhaust interchange
re: 200-4R Depression
307 performance
403 diffs?
engine paints
lost car cover
Motor 'Prints
non-olds: legos wanted
Town Grouch on Pix
vocabulary stretch
'62  wagon - latest acquisition
Re: in a movie
Re: '67 Cutlass sway bars
What's a Parts Car Worth?
video?????
Re: Extrude Hone...
Re: Split Fire
Re: Split Fire
Re: 307Y
Re: 307 performance
Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?
70 442 Exhaust
Re: 70 442 Exhaust
Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:02:31 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

In a message dated 97-10-31 22:19:42 EST, you write:

<< << Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais
 Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new
 rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat
 my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 
    >>

stock motor, and yr killin the stangs?? remember that olds com when they said
they couldbeat a 66 442, muscle car review tested and the66 wasted it. Im not
mockin the yr rocket, but a stock front driver killing 5.0's, u must b one
hell of a driver. I dont own 1, but i have a 69 mach 1 390. My buddy has an 86
capri w/a turbo, it ran 13.1 about a month ago, it moves!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 23:21:26 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Beautiful day in central IL.

..Theres something about the sound of a built 455 at 3800 RPM on the highway 
that you just can't get from some smoggy little 307....
     
     (and they're off...)
     
     Eric,
     
     I thought _I_ was the only one who could make inflammatory statements 
     like that on the list!  ;-)
     
     Joe (...no replacement for displacement...) Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 23:14:31 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Losing My Hearing, or, The Radio Is Getting Weak.

     Dave,
     
     Is this a factory radio?  If so, the Delco radios are notorious for 
     failing the power amp transistor mounted on the outside of the case.  
     I've replaced these myself.  Radio Shack can provide you with a cross 
     reference part from the number on the original - of course, they'll 
     also be out of it.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 97 00:08:57 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Dallas info needed

padavano.joe wrote:
>      I'm considering taking a job in the Dallas area...

>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
     
Kurt Heinrich graciously offered:

Seeing as how it would be hard to drive all of your cars to Dallas, I'd 
be willing to babysit a ~few~ of them for you if you go.
     
     Well, Kurt, the problem is that it would be hard to drive some of my 
     cars, period!  :-)
     
     I've actually thought about this.  If I take the job, I'll probably go 
     down there this year, leaving my wife in Virginia with the kids until 
     the end of the school year (also, the house likely won't sell until 
     spring anyway).  I figured I'd drive the 70 W-30 down there now, flat 
     towing the 68 W-30.  The 66 convert will likely need to be trailered, 
     which I'd do in the spring with my crewcab dually.  The wife's 92 
     Buick GS will also obviously be driven.  That leaves the H/O, which I 
     might be able to get into running condition and (if I'm feeling really 
     lucky) drive down at some point in the future.
     
     This is a little harder than the move from SoCal to VA ten years ago.  
     At that time I actually rented a car carrier (yes, just like the 
     dealerships) and brought the four cars noted here, plus the first 
     wife's 71 Cutlass, a 71 XJ6, and a non-dually crewcab.  Fortunately, 
     my company actually paid for most of that.  This one isn't as 
     generous, although it is interesting to note that due to that moving 
     episode, my current company has changed their new hire move policy on 
     cars - maximum of two and both must run!
     
     Given the condition of both the 68 and the H/O, I probably should part 
     them out.  Unfortunately (or, I guess, fortunately), I just can't 
     bring myself to do that.  Both are obviously quite rare, and despite 
     the cost of transport, storage, and rust repair, I'll continue to drag 
     them around the country.
     
     Of course, at least the cars _roll_.  We haven't yet begun to talk 
     about the basement full of parts.  Three 455 blocks, a dozen heads, 
     the described-in-prior-posts intake manifold collection, NOS fenders, 
     trunk lids, hoods, doors, three transmissions, four cutout bumpers, 
     assorted SSII wheels, the mismatched tire collection, NOS 442 grilles 
     (68, 69, and 71), two boxes of Rally Pacs,...I mean, it sounds like 
     the contents of Noah's Ark if Noah had been a list member.  Oh, and 
     this doesn't begin to count the six floor-to-ceiling steel shelving 
     units full of boxes of small parts, all carefully inventoried and 
     labeled (NOT!).
     
     Of course, those are just my toys.  My wife has, among other things, a 
     carousel horse.  No, not the little ceramic collectible ones - a 
     _real_ full-size carousel horse.
     
     And don't any of you get your hopes up.  I will NOT be having a garage 
     sale anytime soon!  :-)
     
     Interesting story:  When I first interviewed with my current company 
     ten years ago, I spoke to the person who was the resident nutcase 
     motorhead at the time (obviously before I joined the company).  As we 
     discussed the logistics of moving my fleet from SoCal to Virginia, he 
     pointed out that his seven cars pretty much kept him from moving out 
     of the area.  The difference is, he collects MGs!  Come on!  He gets 
     four of his cars in a two-car garage (I am not making this up)!  You 
     could bring these things as carry-on bags!
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:18:06 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 1967 Delta 88

The rubber on my car is in great shape.  However, it is no longer stored
inside & after all it IS 30 years old.  What can I do to help it stay in
good condition?  What types of additives or sprays or ......?! have or
could be used?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:21:21 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: 1966 Delta 88

What happened to our Delta only list?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:48:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk

> << Peg, try one of the Kitty Litter type products with an oder remover.  My
> wife
>  had an old suitcase that smelled very bad that she wanted to use for a room
>  decoration.  I told her to try charcoal which didn't work too good.  She
>  tried Kitty Litter - it worked fairly well. >>
> 
> Hey dont forget good ole Baking Soda,   ahhh, err, is that Baking Powder,
> no wait its Soda,   or is it......TIM

Did the baking soda, to no avail.  I'm going to try the kitty-litter and 
the odo-ban suggestions.  Now for the goofy question:  do I just put the
litter in a pan and leave it for a while?  Can't sprinkle it on the seats,
cuz the seats have holes in them and the litter will drop right through!

Maybe I should've specified that I'm talking about the beater -- the '86
Supreme -- so I'm looking for cheap fixes.  :)

Should've also mentioned that the show I went to was the same one in which
our very own Bob Handren took 3rd place in the Modified class for his
Corv*tte Yellow '67 W-30!!!!

Will try all of the good suggestions for my seats -- keep 'em coming if
you can think of anything else!!! Thanks!

8)
peg (still holding nose)
'78 Cutlass Calais
'86 Cutlass Supreme (eau de Raid)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:36:07 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts

>Is there any opinions on front end suspension parts for a rebuild on a 69
>442 w/455.
>
>PST?
>Just Suspensions?
>Others?
>Rubber:?
>Polyurethane?
>
>I currently have a problem with bottoming out the front end. (most likely
>original spring with sag)
>
>Any opinions on spring rates?
>Should I go with 69 442 w/ a/c springs?
>Does anyone make 69 H/O springs(i.e. similar engine\car combo)?
>
>What would should I expect for a labor charge for the work?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>Tony Molinaro
>amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
>69 442
>69 442
>66 Mustang ( Wife)

I am in the process of doing the suspension in my '69 cutlass convertible.
I have decided to go with the original rubber components and have found a
vast difference in the prices by shopping around and not getting everything
at the same place.  For example I found the upper control arm bushings at
Super Trak for $2.49 each less tha half what any one else wanted.  The
other real bargin I found were springs from NPD.  They are listed for a
Chevelle but I got the rears for $27 as compared to $100 plus most other
places.  I have worked up a bit of a spreadsheet comparing the prices if
you are interested.

As far as labour goes, I have to get my frame straightened and the guy
rightly suggested I have the suspension (front and rear) rebuilt at the
same time.  He is estimating 5 hours at $45 an hour (about $250).  I have
considered doing it myself and phoned a local machine shop, they estimated
2 hours ($90)to push the bushings out of the 4 front control arms,  put
them in their dip tank and reassemble them.  (This assumes that I remove
and install the arms myself which would probably take me the better part of
a day).


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:00:21 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale

Engine:rebuilt 455 bored .30 over, less than fifty miles on motor.TRW
11.1 to 1 forged aluminum pistons.W-30 cam .474 lift with 328
durationDouble roller timing chainHigh volume oil pumpDual point
distributorhigh capacity Accel coilheadersC cast headsAluminum
Offenhuaser intake manifold with DUAL Quadar-Jet carbs(Yes to
4-barrels)Electric fuel pump3 angle valve cutnew valve springs and
liftersChrome valve coverspower steeringTransmission:Muncie 4-speed close
ratio M-21heavy duty Borg & Warner clutch and pressure plateHurst floor
shifter12 bolt rear endBody:Sanded car down to metal and primered except
for hood.some bondo work was on top of rear wheel wells.few dings.some
rust behind drivers side wheel wellsbumpers in good shape( rear bumper is
a 442 bumper needs to be re chromed)Original color was Platinumno rust on
frame, trunk pan, or floor pan( southern car)Interior:Black top and
interior both need to be replaced442 glove box( Key works)power top works
greatStick shift console (white needs to be painted black) I bought the
car back in 83.  I was in the process of restoring it.  Didn't get to
finishbecause I had bought a 69 442 convertible and put all my time and
money in it.  ThenI got married and kids and now I have no time or money
for this car.  I drove the car frommy parents house to my new house. 
Parked it in the garage.  That was about eight yearsago.  I have done all
the engine and trans. work, just didn't get to the body and interior.Need
to find a good home for it.  Oh, as you can tell, I was going to make it
into a 442 clone.I have most all that you would need to do this.  The car
is cleaned up and is driving strong.Price:$3700.00Clay MerenukNear
Atlanta, Ga.770-466-9109

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:31:20 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

Welcome E.J. - I've got a '67 and yes, 425 is right and they're pretty
quick (for such a big car).  I love mine.

I will be going out to the next big automotive swap meet in my area on Nov.
23 - there are tons of vendors with owners manuals.  I'll keep my eye out
for a '66.  They run about $15.  There are also lots of literature vendors
in Journey with Olds, etc.

Nice to have another 'big' car aboard - uh oh, did I just hint at that
**?@!#** deserted island thread?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 20:28:01 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '66 Toro parts

When you return from your deserted island (mental) vacation......do you
happen to have that elusive driver side standard mirror on your Toro you
just got?  Or are you keeping that one (too)?  Travis Adams said there is a
junkyard up in your neck of the woods with a '66 Toro in it.  If you get up
there - could you keep me in mind?  That way I won't have to build coconut
satellites and laser your cars one by one till you remember I need the
bloody mirror :-)

Thanks much!!!

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:45:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Scotty18@aol.com
Subject: 86 olds 442 help please!!!!

Hello, I whould like to ask about heads , I have an 86 olds 442 and I am
going to do a lot to the engine including boring it 30 over and a lot more ,
but I am thinking on getting the 5A 307 heads or the 3A 350 head I was
woundering if they whould fit my car? becouse someone sayed somthing on water
jackets and I don't know about them or if they will match? Or can you tell me
which will flow better?  So please get back am haveing Big trouble!!!! get
back ASAP!!! Please!!!! thanks Scotty

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 23:58:44 EST
From: Dnfletch <Dnfletch@aol.com>
Subject: Re: NEED 69 S convert peak trim rear qtr driver side

Good luck... Start combing the junkyards....

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 21:01:42 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts

I am facing this eventually with my '64 and appreciate any and all insights
into this.  I had my former Cutlass' front end done and had a shop do it
all.  I am positive pricing has gone up quite a bit in 17 years!!!!  

Keep the updates coming & I'd like to see your spreadsheet.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 00:39:04 -0400
From: Ed Rhubarb <rhubarb@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale

>Engine:rebuilt 455 bored .30 over, less than fifty miles on motor.TRW
>11.1 to 1 forged aluminum pistons.W-30 cam .474 lift with 328
>durationDouble roller timing chainHigh volume oil pumpDual point
>distributorhigh capacity Accel coilheadersC cast headsAluminum
>Offenhuaser intake manifold with DUAL Quadar-Jet carbs(Yes to
>4-barrels)Electric fuel pump3 angle valve cutnew valve springs and
>liftersChrome valve coverspower steeringTransmission:Muncie 4-speed close
>ratio M-21heavy duty Borg & Warner clutch and pressure plateHurst floor
>shifter12 bolt rear endBody:Sanded car down to metal and primered except
>for hood.some bondo work was on top of rear wheel wells.few dings.some
>rust behind drivers side wheel wellsbumpers in good shape( rear bumper is
>a 442 bumper needs to be re chromed)Original color was Platinumno rust on
>frame, trunk pan, or floor pan( southern car)Interior:Black top and
>interior both need to be replaced442 glove box( Key works)power top works
>greatStick shift console (white needs to be painted black) I bought the
>car back in 83.  I was in the process of restoring it.  Didn't get to
>finishbecause I had bought a 69 442 convertible and put all my time and
>money in it.  ThenI got married and kids and now I have no time or money
>for this car.  I drove the car frommy parents house to my new house.
>Parked it in the garage.  That was about eight yearsago.  I have done all
>the engine and trans. work, just didn't get to the body and interior.Need
>to find a good home for it.  Oh, as you can tell, I was going to make it
>into a 442 clone.I have most all that you would need to do this.  The car
>is cleaned up and is driving strong.Price:$3700.00Clay MerenukNear
>Atlanta, Ga.770-466-9109

Hi there,

I am interested in the car.  I am located in Marietta.  Where are you?

THanks,

Ed

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:42:19 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

In a message dated 97-11-01 02:42:34 EST, you write:

<< >new, although it was usually a pretty close race..... I would be
 
 >interested to see some timeslips from your car, I just don't see a 350
 
 >powered Olds or a 5.0 Mustang getting its A** kicked by a 150k mile
 
 >307....
  >>
I agree, talk is cheap, my 390 mach 1 isnt exactly shaking in its tires, but
it has 2 67 abody brothers and the new kid, 86 salon to keep it company.
Although there is a guy (307y@aol.com) says with 600 in parts his 307 hit 170
on nj turnpike, Id love to see those eng specs!!
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 03:43:52 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island.snip this?

In a message dated 97-10-31 23:41:47 EST, you write:

<< [snip.....snip snip snip snip!!!!] >>
whats this snip stuff anyway, just curious
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:48:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Reducing Volume

Gang, I need to ask you all a favor:

The Olds list has been a big success, with over 500 members at any given 
time. With that success comes a price: it's a lot of work to administer. 
That's OK, since I knew that going in. However, with that many members 
there is always someone whose account has gone bad and that's when 
messages start bouncing back to me. That problem is what has prompted 
this request. The volume of bounced messages is getting to be difficult 
to manage, and I need your help in reducing the traffic level here.

There are way too many posts these days that are either non-Olds in 
nature or which contain too much follow-up text. I need to ask everyone 
to, first of all, make sure that your post is really necessary to send to 
everyone; and second, if you do, to make sure that you trim as much 
follow-up text as possible. I don't want to inhibit discussion here, but 
the signal-to-noise ratio these days is a little out of hand and I'd like 
to bring it back in line.

As always, I will refer you to the FAQ for answers to many of the 
questions posted here, and also remind you that pictures are not 
permitted to be posted to the list.

Thanks for your cooperation!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:15:24 EST
From: HCoons2818 <HCoons2818@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk

Peg, try laying some sort of cotton (or other breathable) cloth over the top
of the seat.  Perhaps an old beach towel, one layer of thickness only.
Sprinkle the kitty litter on top, say 1/4" thick and leave for 5 or 6 days.
Good Luck.

Harold Coons
67 4-4-2
89 Grand Am Quad 4

HCoons2818@aol.com 

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 07:24:47 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island--the continuing saga

Charley Buehner wrote:
> 
> Snip of cruise ship disaster...
> 
> > "Well, it's not impossible, anymore," the woman said.  The man,
> > practically panting in excitement, said breathlessly:
> > "You mean you actually figured out some way we can check our Olds
> > e-mail list here?"
> 
> I remember hearing about this situation.  Seems to me she was on the
> list, too.  I think it was "3macguyver@aol.com" but can't recall for
[snip...and snip....and snip.......and snip]
> trade...)  I saw the blazer on a tow truck the next weekend, and never
> heard from him again.  Is a cool keychain, though ;)
> 
>                         Gawd, who writes this stuff???!!!

Man! I just wasted another 10 MINUTES of MY life reading this!
What posesses people to waste my time so much!!!???

;-)
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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 07:30:22 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island.snip this?

RCKTPWR wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-31 23:41:47 EST, you write:
> 
> << [snip.....snip snip snip snip!!!!] >>
> whats this snip stuff anyway, just curious
> Bernie

Well, it's when you cut the middle out of a message. In this case, the
message was very long and pointless, so I put some humor into it, the
above meaning that it was soooooo long, I had to snip a lot.

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 07:41:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I agree with ya my friends olds could do some damage has a 91 q4 

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 06:01:08 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 83 Cutlass supreme Brougham the reason i know i was gonig this fast was
> because of the mustang that was runnig with me couldn't keep up after a while
> and his after market spedo stops at 160

Is that 160 kph or 160 mph?  I guess I wasn't following this thread
too closely.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:55:02 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:
> 
> My brother put a paxton on his pontiac 455 and converted to supentine belts 8
> rib, i think to have all 3 pullies made it was $350.00(crank,paxton, idler).
 Thanks,

Where did he have them made ? Was it local or not?\
How did he like the effect?
Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 08:57:49 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

bryceman@442.com wrote:
> 
> >I wasn't aware they made superchargers for 455, who makes them?
> 
> Dave Smith has a complete kit in his catalog. FWIW I believe his kit comes
> with everything needed to do the serpentine belt conversion also.
> 
> Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
> '66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
> '65 442 Post Coupe
> '65 Vista Cruiser
> '72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
> Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
Who is Dave Smith and where can I get hold of his catalog?

Thanks
Marcus

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 09:51:06 EST
From: Bowtie911 <Bowtie911@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Amsoil

I would like to know if anyone has used Amsoil and what they think of it. I
recently
received information from the company making some pretty big claims.
Harvey Shaw
65 442

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:26:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

In a message dated 97-10-31 22:10:23 EST, you write:

<< 83 Cutlass supreme Brougham the reason i know i was gonig this fast was
 because of the mustang that was runnig with me couldn't keep up after a
while
 and his after market spedo stops at 160 >>

The part about the Rustang not being able to keep up is fully understandable,
but to base some form of information about something on the testimony of a 
F*rd owner.  Had a kid tell me one night that his 5Slows speedo was off by
over
10% because of gears but it didnt make any difference on his 0-60
calculations.
Duh, okay... Not doubting you......but I am doubting him.....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:29:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

In a message dated 97-10-31 21:54:29 EST, you write:

<< I'd tend to agree, the article did not qualify the 64 lbs but it can't
 possibly include everything.  The other interesting tidbit, they said the
cost
 of manufacture had fallen from $600 to $450 for this motor.  Apparently that
is
 VERY significant cost savings in the automobile world. >>

So let's see now.   $600 minus $450 is $150 saved.   So then we take the cost
of a new car, oh, so $20,000 (to be fair, lol) and we minus $150 from that.
yeah
thats a much better price to pay...O WAIT....their probably keeping $130 of
that
$150 as additional profit....lol

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:36:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Olds Questions

In a message dated 97-10-29 13:20:23 EST, you write:

<< Can somebody give me some information on a 1979 Hurst Olds? It's mint
 condition, dualgate, white with gold, says W-30 and has a 350. Can somebody
 give me some information on a car like this? What type of rear end would be
 in it? Are these cars valuable? Is it a rare car? >>

There were 2499 '79 H/Os built, and white is the rarer of the two colors,
white or black. Both had gold accents. It was the only GM A-body built that
year with a 350 motor and the only GM car that year to have a DualGate
shifter. They had 2.73 open rear ends, unless you ordered anti-spin as an
option. They are somewhat rare, and nice examples are hard to come by. 

Jon Wessel
Director, H/OCA

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:07:52 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Amsoil

Bowtie911 wrote:
> 
> I would like to know if anyone has used Amsoil and what they think of it. I
> recently
> received information from the company making some pretty big claims.
> Harvey Shaw
> 65 442

I've heard from many of my "mechanic friends" that Amsoil is like the
God of all motor oils. Thay swear by it. I haven't tried any yet, but my
next oil change in the Cutlass will be Amsoil.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:23:16 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: in a movie

Congrats Everett!  That's really cool.

Just don't let those "stunt guys" behind the wheel!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:47:49 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

>an edelbrock or even a holley manifold will work.  anything will work if you
>can put a standard holley or a square bore carb on it.  you can put it on a
>stock manifold with one of those adapters.  they sell for about $30 at most
>places.  here is the main difference between a square bore and a spread bore:
>a square bore has all four barrels the same size and they are pretty close
>together.
>a spread bore has two small barrels(primary) and two big barrels(secondary).
>the bolt pattern is just a little different.
>
>mikey tvb@aol.com
>73 cutlass w/403
>

What's better, sqaure or spread bore?
 
Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:45:36 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: '62 Jetfire wiring harness

 Bruce,

Except for the the "Turbo Rocket Fluid" tank sensor, I don't know why these
would be any different from a regular F85 car.  Of course, they aren't
common either but possibly the same as the Buick Special & Pontiac Tempest.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Anyone out there know where I might be able to find a wiring harness for
>a '62 Jetfire?  I fear it may be akin to searching for a fresh dinosaur
>egg.  Any help is appreciated.  Thanks.
>
>Bruce
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 12:57:04 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:

>>>83 Cutlass supreme Brougham the reason i know i was gonig this fast was
>>>because of the mustang that was runnig with me couldn't keep up after a while
>>>and his after market spedo stops at 160

160?  Are you sure?  *Kilometers* an hour, maybe...

The fastest car I've ever been in was a '70 C*rvette Stingray, and it
was a rocketship;  it had the LS5 option package, which had the 390hp
454 with a wild cam and 11:1 compression.  When (get this) *she*  had it
wound out, it was clocked at 178mph (on radar)....

Now how could a 307, with *only* 150,000 miles on it, possibly reach
160mph?  If a car with 390hp can reach 178, how could a car with 170hp
reach 160mph?  The cars aren't *that* different in weight and
aerodynamics...

It might be possible to get a CSB to run at 160mph, but I don't think
that a 307 could cut it, especially with 240,000km (150mi.) on it.  

S. Dave Ward

P.S.--My '85 Delta 88 has a 4bbl. 307, and it has a tough time reaching
*100* miles an hour!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:01:11 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: 1970 Cutlass W31 Page

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/CutlassW31.html">http://members.aol.
com/DROLDS350/CutlassW31.html</A>

Click the blue text to visit my 70 Cutlass W31 page.

Thanks,
Jim

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 13:15:45 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: RALLYE 350 WEB PAGE

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">http://members.aol.com/DRO
LDS350/W45.html</A>

CLICK ON THE BLUE TEXT AND IT WILL TAKE YOU TO MY RALLYE 350 WEB PAGE!

THANKS,
JIM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:20:36 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: carbs

holley's on oldsmobiles are GREAT..the
greatly enhance the performance of the secondary kick down reation
time...Hoagie

"drop the top...and rattle the pipes!!!"
======================

There is word that the '60's Pontiac carbs, with a larger secondary tip-in feed
hole, also perform very well in this respect. I am wondering if the holes in a
correctly numbered Olds carb could be drilled out, and the Poncho secondary air
valve, with the cutout, used to advantage.

btw, nice tag line there.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:22:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wiring diagram on web

From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 1970 Wiring Diagram

I have a wiring diagram (in color) for the 1970 A body on my WEB site.
This may help someone fix those electric problems that we all seem to
have ever now and then.
     http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Wireing2.jpg
Bobby     70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
===================

Great idea, Bobby! That is, to me, the ultimate ideal use for the www! [OK,
exaggerating a bit...] Now, all we need is all the other years' diagrams,
too...

btw, great tag line also.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:26:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: mid-MI crusher soon

Ad in local paper for generic "car parts" led me to call

Found out they have about 150 parts cars. Cruncher coming soon, in days or a
week or two at the most. Some Olds there. I intend to go see what if anything
is worthy. Most cars they say are '70's on up. Camaros to donate sway bars?
Dunno. Cars near Olivet, MI.

Call 'em yourself if interested...

     517-543-8164

Might be a good idea to tell 'em how you heard about the sale.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:25:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts

I, like Tony, am also in the process of restoring my car's front end. My
'68 Cutlass Supreme sags in the front and to one side, too. I assume this
means I need new coil springs as well as new shocks. I'll go ahead and
replace the ball joints and bushings as well. Flipping through catalogs I
have noticed that some of the prices are drastically different. I don't
want my money to go to waste, so I was wondering where to buy parts that
are not too expensive and will last another 30 years. I'm going to have to
get a job today to pay for it all, though (college student). Any info
would be a great help. Thanks.

Patrick Rose
68 Cutlass Supreme
former 72 Cutlass Supreme owner - differential went out :.(

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:31:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Aussie Olds

had those 'wooden' side panels. Under the bonnet (or hood as you guys
call it!!) was a 454ci V8 which had just been re-conditioned.

at least we still have leaded fuel. We also drive on 'the other side' of
the road so our cars are right-hand drive. Converting a car from left to
right hand drive costs about $7,000 to $10,000 out here, depending on
the car. Luckily my Buick had already been converted when I bought it so
somebody else suffered the expense!!

=========
I know you're new to the list, there, so will cut you some slack, but Olds
never made a 454 cid motor. There might have been some other division with a
454, but Olds' comparable motor was the 455. That's dern near blasphemy to
refer to an Olds motor my some other maker's name/ size. ;-)

Always a notch better... When others had a 327, Olds had a 330; others had a
400 small block, Olds had a 403; not 454, but 455 in the Olds car. Not just a
350, but a 350 *Rocket*.

As for the side the steering wheel's on, do they really insist you convert?
Sheesh, here, it's OK s'far as I know, to drive your Rolls or whatever, mail
Jeep, etc., w/ RHDrive. No need to have the driver in the left seat. Shoot, why
not make the center of the front the driver's position?

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:34:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 307Y

   From: Olds307Y@aol.com
On the 307 swap to a different size engine is totaly up to you but with the
right wor your 307 could be just like my big bad 307 i could infortunatly say
runs with 350 gold motors and wins depending how fast i stand on the pedal.
So being in your situation like as i was a couple months ago i had my heads
done, i changed the carb, ,distrubutor , i gapped the plugs at .060 instead
.080 i feel a quicker response alos i put a accel super hei coil. And i do
not plan i on running NOS no olds motor needs it to beat a Rustang 5.slow Oh
alos i put roloer rocker on 1.2 : 1ratio
=================
Runs with WHAT gold 350's? I venture to say smogger #8 head units. Maybe the 7a
& earlier 2V 350's. Not the early 4V motors.

I certainly hope you did not toss the Olds 1.6:1 ratio rockers for units with
1.2 ratio. Must be a typo.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:57:24 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: in a movie

which movie, and what car?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:10:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: light engine

Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
weighs 64 lbs!!!
==============
For reference, a single Olds V8 cylinder head with valves & springs weighs in
at about 75#.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:13:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: wiring diagram on web

> From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
> Subject: 1970 Wiring Diagram
> 
> I have a wiring diagram (in color) for the 1970 A body on my WEB site.
> This may help someone fix those electric problems that we all seem to
> have ever now and then.
>      http://home1.gte.net/betzel/Wireing2.jpg
> Bobby     70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
> ===================
> 
> Great idea, Bobby! That is, to me, the ultimate ideal use for the www! [OK,
> exaggerating a bit...] Now, all we need is all the other years' diagrams,
> too...
> 
> btw, great tag line also.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> 
Hey, would the '70 diagram be close enough to a '68 to use? Perhapse
someone has access to a '68 wiring diagram they could post....

Patrick Rose

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:15:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Holley carb H*lp?

Found a really nifty item in the garage.... [looking for that air solenoid for
Halloween fun, never did find that.]

Holley carb, spread bore, double pumper. Looks like a Holley version of the
Qjet, with Holley's double pumper arrangement. It's all-aluminum, shiny. Broken
throttle cable attachment pieces.

Anybody know anything about such a carb?
CFM rating (I hear it's an 850)?
Experience with this type carb?

I think I keep it for later use on that 77 Toro 403... when I stick the 7a
heads on it with a nice cam & the OL4B intake.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:23:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: EFI fuel pumps

As far as "burning up" the pump I don't see how you would could run the
pump dry???? On Ford EFI systems the fuel pump will not run if the
engine is not running, the pump will pressurize the line but it will
kick off once it realizes the car is not running, likewise if you run
the car out of gas the pump will shut off......I would think the late
model GM and aftermarket systems would work in a similar way?????

Steve
================
Earlier this year:

Bought a new gas tank for my truck, old one was leaky.

Sender pipes broke off, too rusty. :-(

Too much hassle to cobble a fix. New sender ass'y comes only WITH new pump,
$100. Big :-( after the $120 tank already.

Put all this new stuff in. Boneyard wire end at tank- old one fell apart from
gas leaking attacking the rubber.

Wires were NOT the same color. Attached them what looked correct.

A week later, running on the rear tank, still Full, well, it always did take a
while to come off full. Switch to Front tank, near-empty!

Grrrr.... rear in-tank pump had been wired backwards, not pumping. Vehicle had
been running for days drawing fuel from the front tank, somehow, to the main
fuel pump, while the gas gage was reading the rear tank level.

Swapped wired to rear tank, works fine now.

Bottom line, a few days' running backwards, admittedly in a full tank of fuel,
did not adversely affect the new pump's performance.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:50:41 EST
From: Mikey tvb <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: exhaust interchange

i was wondering if a set of 1970 442 tailpipes would fit on a 1973 cutlass.  i
have seen kits like flowmaster's that says their tailpipes will fit a 67-76 GM
a-body.  also edelbrock sells the same kit and it says 64-74 GM a-body.
origonal parts group sells 70 chevelle dual exhaust tailpipes for around $25
each.  i know the style of pipe is a little different, but all i need is a set
of tailpipes.  all i care about is that they fit.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:51:18 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: re: 200-4R Depression

Ray,
     Your '87 Cutlass did not come with a 350 originally, it was installed
with the engine???  GM only installed THM-200C and THM-200-4R transmisions
in 1987 (My plant was the only one building THM-350s at the time - last
year for production - no G-body versions - last G-body 350 was early 80's -
used THM-250 instead until 1986).  

All cables and brackets are junkyard available for 200-4R.  For your lockup
converter (which you WILL need to prevent excess heat generation) use the
system used on 1986 and previous Canada 200-4Rs which did not have a
computer.  I will dig out my manual at home and find out the connections
for you.  I believe it used  3rd and 4th gear switches in the tranny, brake
switch, and vacuum switch.  This wouyld make it automatic instead of using
a manual switch.  

Driveshaft should be available from junkyard also if yours does not fit.  

Make sure the 200-4R has hardened stator shaft (to prevent peened splines),
shift kit, and heavy duty input shaft/clutch drum.  See Buick Regal
GN/T-Type web page for 200-4R build up tips.  

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  
 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 12:51:20 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 307 performance

Yes, the 307 is a good engine for its time although not as good as a 350
dut to aluminum intake (coolant leaks) and restricted heads. Yes in stock
form it is not very fast. Lots of low end torque but does not breathe well.
 My 1987 442 runs 16.02 @ 84 MPH in the 1/4 mile.  It is stock except for
custom prom chip.  I imagine with some work it could go into mid 15's, but
not much faster.  Also, top speed is 113 mph (limited by 3.73 rear axle). 
I assume 160 estimated was Km/Hr and not MPH.  A G-body in any form would
not do 160 MPH safely.  Buick Grand Nationals were speed limited to 128 MPH
because the front end on a G-body gets very light above about 135 and
becomes very unstable.   Also, a Grand National will do about 150 MPH
without speed limiter, but it also generates over 300 hp doing it and I
don't believe a 307 can make that much normally aspirated without nitrous. 


Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:25:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 403 diffs?

> Aside from the '77 Toro motor, they've all got the same manifolds, cams,
> compression, valves, etc. They're all the same. Don't hold your breath for a
> solid-main web engine...

Was the '77 Toro a solid-main web motor?  Most (if not all) others (260,
350, 403) are open-web, right?  Are most Ch*vy engines open-web as well?
=================

So, this '77 Tor 403 I have, it's the "baddest" of the bunch, such as they
were? Any specifics on this, better cam or what?

I did see that the block is the standard "4B" block, so not much chance of this
one being that elusive Solid Main Web unit...


- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:28:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: engine paints

yes they did gm started painting all there engines black which my problem is
that the guy who did my heads paintd them olds blue they look good but when i
pop the hood the stick out
- ------------------------------

I was considering painting my engine's various parts the correct color for the
year of the part... just for kicks. Lessee, Toro 425 block would be Slate Blue,
3x2 intake would be [was, and is still] Bronze, and the Ka heads would be,
what, the Blue of '70-72 vintage? Dang, I need a few red parts, maybe the
timing cover & water pump?
  Just for kicks.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:32:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: lost car cover

Jees, this weekend IS Halloween!  I hope the Cutlass doesn't get tricks or
treats out in the parking lot.  I found out last weekend, when I went home,
that evidently, someone thought THEIR car needed MY car cover more than MY
car needed it!  I'd like to have it this weekend...
===============

While I was living in an apt in CA, some jers stole my Covercraft car cover.
Cut the lock off and took it. It was common, if not required, to mark the car's
license plate number on the car cover so that anyone could check the
registration is up to date I guess... I had made an exact duplicate of my
black-n-gold plates with fabric paint. Extra touch... and still they snagged
it. So, if anyone sees a covercraft cover with painted CA plate YJH837 [I still
remember that number!] let me know, eh? It might still be there around the
Sacramento- Davis- S.F. area.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:35:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Motor 'Prints

Subject: oldsmobile blue-prints

I'm looking for actual blue-prints (not just motor specs) of the 455ci
olds motor.
                             Thanks,
                                   Greg
==========================
Yeah, me too.

The Mondello Tech manual has a sort of a drawing of the Olds head, on the back
or cover? but some key numbers are missing. It'd be nice to know what angle the
valves are at w.r.t. the head gasket surface, for example. No block drawings.

Let us know if you find any such info, eh?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 15:38:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: non-olds: legos wanted

Wanted: legos few or a lot, for my kid to play with. Reply privately, please.
Thanks.
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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:33:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Town Grouch on Pix

Thanks, to the "person" who posted the picture to the list for digest #932.

- ->   1   Oct 31 oldsmobile-digest  (7669) oldsmobile-digest V1 #932
     2   Oct 31 oldsmobile-digest  (1771) oldsmobile-digest V1 #931

7669 lines of mostly CRAP which ruined that digest. Fully 95% of the digest is a
picture. Of course, I had to space-bar my way thru all 360 pages of it in hopes
that there was an intelligent post at the end. There was not; that was the last
post. Fun to waste 15 minutes like that...

I doubt that you can comprehend how much restraint it took for *me* to type
"person" above instead of one of the sundry other terms that seem to fit oh so
much better.

Giving the benefit of the doubt, assuming it as a simple stupid mistake of
hitting the R key for Reply to the list instead of sending his "gift" to the
person who might actually be able to use it.

Next time... Body parts will suffer.
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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 16:37:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: vocabulary stretch

epistemology  n.
The branch of philosophy that studies the nature of knowledge, its
presuppositions and foundations, and its extent and validity.

epistemological adj. epistemologically adv. epistemologist n.
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Wow, what will we learn here next?

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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 14:20:29 -0800
From: "dan cox" <peachyst@earthlink.net>
Subject: '62  wagon - latest acquisition

from: "driver" dan cox
          los angeles, ca.
growing list of olds: '49 88 sedan
                             '60 s-88 sedan
                             '63 88 dyn. holiday
                            ' 62 88 sta. wagon

           hello everybody - what a big step for me to get another car
[wagon].  my plate it runeth over with projects, already.  i told my better
half, and she was less than pleased.  but it will be okay, she digs the car
shows.  will post before and after photos when its completed.  need proper
wheel covers among other things like proper upholstery, carpeting, those
plastic sta wgn seat backs, and more.  tho' mostly complete and running. 
desert cars are good.  wish me luck, i'll need it.  
                                                           happy
oldsmobiling - dan cox
            p.s. thanks for the alpha one video posting.  i ordered
yesterday

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 17:46:11 EST
From: ANTIQ OLDS <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: in a movie

In a message dated 97-11-01 15:01:32 EST, RCKTPWR@aol.com writes:

> which movie, and what car?

    Movie is "Outside Providence"  Starring  Eric Baldwin, the producer is
Michael Corrente.
   My 71 Vista Cruiser and 72 Toronado were used today, my 71 Supreme Conv and
71 Vista Cruiser will be used Monday  at Foxboro Stadium home of the New
England Patriots for a  "tailgate party" shoot. 
   It was fun today with all the rain, the Vista was the star of todays shoot
at an old gas station and it was about the long gas lines of the early 70's.


Everett  OCA# 1961  

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:32:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass sway bars

On Fri, 31 Oct 1997 COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:
> I remember the thread about big sway bars here a couple of weeks ago. As I'll
> be checking out a couple junkyards this weekend, I need to know which cars to
> look for/at in order to find one of those bigger bars?
> 
> Where did you all find them ?

Aside from cars that are tough to find in junkyards like 4-4-2s, Monte 
Carlos and Grand Prixs up to '77 (last of the big ones) often had them. 
Also look for Camaros and Firebirds up to '81, at least those with a 
handling package, which had some of the biggest bars. I still need to get 
back to the yard with the '80 Firebird Formula and grab its front bar 
for the Cutlass.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:39:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: What's a Parts Car Worth?

My friend Brian and I went junkyarding today. Some good finds, the most 
interesting of which was a '72 Vista Cruiser. It was in pretty rough 
shape -- floor gone, roof starting to rot, etc. -- but had some 
interesting things on there still, not the least of which was a totally 
unmolested 455 with G heads. Even the carb still looked good. The yard 
owner said it ran when junked. 

He wouldn't let us buy some of the stuff we wanted, like the manifold heat
stove and heat pipe, though we did score a bunch of little stuff -- bolts,
clips, nice wiper arms, mexican hat, and I got the front rocket enblem for
my garage door. The grills are still good, bumpers, etc. too.  So is some
of the Vista glass and unique wagon trim pieces.  But the big draw is that
motor/tranny, even though the rear end (a 3.23 posi) is already gone. Also
has a front disk brake setup. Made us think we might want to buy the whole
thing. I would be tempted to do it just for the front brakes and
motor/tranny -- would transform the Cutlass nicely!! :)

What would a car like that go for? I was thinking $500 or so. Opinions?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:37:36 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: video?????

In a message dated 97-11-01 17:23:16 EST, you write:

<<           p.s. thanks for the alpha one video posting.  i ordered
 yesterday
  >>
what is this video, is it the 100th one??

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:39:44 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Extrude Hone...

In a message dated 97-11-01 17:57:43 EST, you write:

<< >>$500.00 for the exhaust manifolds
 >>$365.00 for the intake manifold
 >>$995.00 for the cast iron heads
 >>$750.00 for aluminum heads.
 > >>
ok, there better b 1 hell f a perf gain for those $$$,  !!!!!! anybody act do
this??
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:42:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

mph

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:46:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

my friends 307 is a rockect ship only wish i had it but my olds jsut looks
the same but it has about 489 horse before nos and about 789 after nos

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:47:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 307Y

it is sorry 1:6

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 18:49:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 307 performance

the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:14:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?

i recently purchesed a "parts car",  i only paid $300.  the car was whole and
ran pretty good.  the only problem with the car is that the owner took the
title to a "cash for titles" place.  he never paid them back.  now he has
this car and he can't get insurance or registration for it.  so he decided to
sell it.  i bought it for $300 and started taking parts off it and putting
them on my car.  it had a 403 engine with a holley carb on it, 350 tranny,
b&m starshifter, front bucket seats, and donut(spare tire).  i put the engine
in my 73 cutlass and it has been running ever since.  the tranny that was in
the car had a few bugs to get out, so i left the 73 350 tranny in it.
 recently i have pulled the heads off it and am currently building a set of
350 heads for it.  well what i am trying to say is that $500 is a bit too
much to pay for a car that you are just taking parts off of.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:24:52 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: 70 442 Exhaust

Hi,
    I will be needing a complete exhaust for the 70 442 that I am restoring
and am looking for the best stock system. Fusick lists a system and believe a
list member I think it was Dr. Robert Barry got one. Need to know what the
mufflers looked like and how the pipes came out at the back. Still looking
for a N.O.S. or good used accellerator cable and a good used 7040257 or 258
carb I have a 257 but missing some pieces to it. This project is coming along
good now and am in need of these small parts to get it finished. Also any
opinions on which vendor to by interior from?.
Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 19:30:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 Exhaust

year one has the pipes i think?
mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 20:21:48 -0500
From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> My friend Brian and I went junkyarding today. Some good finds, the most
> interesting of which was a '72 Vista Cruiser. It was in pretty rough
> shape -- floor gone, roof starting to rot, etc. -- but had some
> interesting things on there still, not the least of which was a totally
> unmolested 455 with G heads. Even the carb still looked good. The yard
> owner said it ran when junked.
> 
> He wouldn't let us buy some of the stuff we wanted, like the manifold heat
> stove and heat pipe, though we did score a bunch of little stuff -- bolts,
> clips, nice wiper arms, mexican hat, and I got the front rocket enblem for
> my garage door. The grills are still good, bumpers, etc. too.  So is some
> of the Vista glass and unique wagon trim pieces.  But the big draw is that
> motor/tranny, even though the rear end (a 3.23 posi) is already gone. Also
> has a front disk brake setup. Made us think we might want to buy the whole
> thing. I would be tempted to do it just for the front brakes and
> motor/tranny -- would transform the Cutlass nicely!! :)
> 
> What would a car like that go for? I was thinking $500 or so. Opinions?

If it were in our salvage yard, I would sell it for $200 to $300 tops.
$500 is too much. 

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc. 
95 Impala SS		80 Olds 442 W-30 (for sale)
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4	75 Hurst/Olds (for sale)

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