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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 22 1997     Volume 01 : Number 918



Matt et. al 73 Cs dash
Holly Size Identification Please
Re: '75 VIN plate decode please?
Exhaust Laws
whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Re: Questions
Re: xman W31 decoding
Re: Fw: molding removal
roller lifters
Re: Original Rally Wheel Colors
Re: Exhaust Laws
Re: A trade
Re: Catalogs...
Re: ADVICE NEEDED!!!
Re: Holly Size Identification Please
Re: 394: how similar to 303/324/371? to 330/425?
RE: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Because he could...(formerly Emissions...)
Re: Dread cam bank angle question
Re: Carb identification...
Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability
Re: Owners Manual
Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability
Re: Another Olds Song?
Re[2]: real '72 442
442 defined
cam bank angle, W31 xmans
Re: New looks for Olds
SMW 403's
Re: Fw: molding removal
Re: New looks for Olds
Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)
Re: You'll all laugh...
Re[4]: real '72 442
Re: 455 S-10
unsubscribe
Cutlass Hoods
G body parts needed!
subscribe
funny bracket
Re: Holiday vs. Sports Coupe
Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: General question
Re: SMW 403's
Last Chance to Vote on MCC
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)
Re: Octane booster
Re: Owners Manual
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: Dread cam bank angle question
Re: General question
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: 455 S-10
Re: header conversion
Re: Another Olds Song?
Re: Another Olds Song?
Re: Olds Questions
Re: Bucket seats
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Re: 455 S-10
RE: Accessory Brackets SB & BB
Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)
Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
Re: Another Olds Song?
RE: Octane booster
Re: xman W31 decoding
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: Dread cam bank angle question
Re: 70 442 value ????

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:46:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Matt et. al 73 Cs dash

Matt, others w/ '73-5 cars:

brother checked the cars, he has that dash piece you needed. Says it looks like
a speaker cover to him. Has one blue one green, looks like '73-'75 are the
same.

Trim codes:
blue= 933
Green= 962

You can use that and trim/ body manuals to see if your is same color.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:47:13 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Holly Size Identification Please

Anyone know if Holly has a way of Identifying CFM Ratings on there
carbs, in particular, 4150 Double Pumper? I know the carb, just don't
know the size. Picked it up at a swap meet, but, was so inthrawled
with the price, I didn't ask the size (DUH, can you tell it was my
first swap meet. :)

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:58:55 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '75 VIN plate decode please?

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Here is the plate:
>
> ST 75 3AG73LAN474629 BDY
> TR  19Y       72 724 PNT
>     06C    A52   19X
>

ST 75 - 1975
3AG73 - Oldsmobile (3) Cutlass S (AG) Colonnade Hardtop Coupe (37 -
number
transposition?)
LAN474629 BDY - Lansing Fisher Body Plant sequence number
TR 19Y - interior trim code, you say is black.  My codes for black vinyl
are 10 for
bench seat and 30 for bucket seats.  I thought the 9 would be the color
code,
which for '75 is Saddle.  Confused on this one.  Hey, Dan, what's the
trim
code for your convertible?
72 724 PNT - upper and lower paint code for Crimson Red.  I'm assuming
the 4
is a typo.
06C - build date third week (C) of June (06)
A52 - code for conventional bench seat
19X - probably an interior color code

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex in the box?

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:50:22 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Exhaust Laws

Ok, heres the deal, got a 77 Cutlass Supreme, with a 70 350 in it, is
it legal to just run strait pipes and muflers (duals) or do I have to
have the Cataletic Converts on this sucker. From what I remember of
emmisions laws, (in Illinois along time ago anyway) if the engine was
factory without Cat Converts, the car didn't have to have them,
hopefully I am not wrong on this though, cus I am supposed to have
Duals with Strait Pipes put on this weekend. TIA


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all the
other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run all
the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this car
but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone got
any ideas?

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:03:14 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Questions

At 06:18 AM 10/21/97 -0700, you wrote:
Chris

        The hood latches are all different. 71 and 72 being an exception.
The electric window motors are common to all GM from about 64 to 76.

Jim Chermack

>Hi all,
>
>Before I forget, here are some questions I would like to have answered.
>
>1) Are hood latches the same between 68-72 Cutlasses/4-4-2s?
>2) Which electric motors work on 68-72 Cutlasses/4-4-2s?  How about
>   other models that would work.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 20:54:23 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

I just checked my W-31, and stupid natural oxidation(sp) I can't read the
numbers.  From what I remember, Mr Pajak is correct.  One set of manifolds for
the 350s with the extra one capped.

> I guess you forgot that W-Z won't fit on a small block :o The left
> one will hit the starter....I know....I've tried it before! W31s took
> the regular 350 manifolds with the xtra outlet on the RH one capped :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

C:\DOS
C:\DOS\RUN
RUN\DOS\RUN

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:10:26 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: molding removal

At 07:27 PM 10/21/97 -0600, you wrote:

Travis

        The easiest way to remove it is with a combination can and bottle
opener wrapped in electrical tape. Use the bottle opener end and a very
small screwdriver to gently pry it off from the bottom (underside). Watch
out for these little buggers can curl up as you take them off.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

>
>Still looking for some help with this one.  Anyone... Anyone...
>Travis Adams
>65 442 post
>
>----------
>> From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
>> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Subject: molding removal
>> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 8:10 PM
>>
>> Okay everyone.  I just started stripping down my 65 442 post for the
>> winter.  Hoping it turns into a real uneventful body-off resto (yeah
>> right).  So does anyone know how to get the drip rail molding off?  I am
>at
>> a loss.  Also has anyone else had a problem with the driver's side rear
>> pillar cracking at the top?  I am talking serious stress fracture in the
>> metal.  There isn't even any rust in the area of the crack.  I have been
>> told that alot of the old BOP cars had this problem.  Can someone
>> elaborate?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Travis Adams
>> 65 442 post
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: roller lifters

Subject: Re: stock roller lifters for diesel

Mondello says the diesel roller lifters etc. are too heavy for performance
use
==================
yeah, way high revs. How about for the masses who thing 5000 rpm is plenty?
Remember, JM is out to SELL PARTS. Not exactly unbiased.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:16:53 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Original Rally Wheel Colors

At 09:45 PM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

Mike

        They should be color matched to the car in that year. They did not
offer the SSII gray wheels then.

Jim Chermack


>Does anyone know what the original Rallye Wheel Rim Colors would bee
>for a Blue 1977 Cutlass Supreme? I can get the VIN ª if that helps or
>not. Also, whatever the originaly color may be, does anyone know
>where or how to get ahold of paint that matches that color or can get
>close to it anyway. Right now I just use spray paint, but, would like
>a change.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:20:15 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Laws

At 09:50 PM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

Mike

        Federal Law now makes it illegal for owners to tamper with these. It
used to be the shops couldn't. As for your 77, they ALL came with cats. 75
and later did except for Canadian cars built in 76. So if you have to have
it inspected for any reason it would and could fail. Alot of these laws are
now at the federal level and not just the state anymore.

Jim Chermack


>Ok, heres the deal, got a 77 Cutlass Supreme, with a 70 350 in it, is
>it legal to just run strait pipes and muflers (duals) or do I have to
>have the Cataletic Converts on this sucker. From what I remember of
>emmisions laws, (in Illinois along time ago anyway) if the engine was
>factory without Cat Converts, the car didn't have to have them,
>hopefully I am not wrong on this though, cus I am supposed to have
>Duals with Strait Pipes put on this weekend. TIA
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 21:04:08 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: A trade

Joe,
Sorry, the only 350 parts I have are an exhaust manifold.  I do know of a
7041250 (71 350) carb for sale that needs a rebuild.  And a junkyard south of 
me
has a 71 S with a 350 engine and the manifold was still there.  Hopefully some
time in the next two weeks I can make it to the yard.  If you are interested 
let
me know and I'll see about picking these up for you.

> The engine is a 350.
>
> Joe

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

C:\DOS
C:\DOS\RUN
RUN\DOS\RUN

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:38:21 EDT
From: BH Mathias <BHMathias@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Catalogs...

Year one also has a catalog for Oldsmobiles.
Also you can check Brothers Automotive and The Paddock Inc. They all have
catalogs and websites.
Matt
72 f-85
73 98

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:36:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED!!!

NO

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:25:23 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Holly Size Identification Please

At 09:47 PM 10/21/97 -0500, you wrote:

Mike

        The type off Holley carb is a 4150. That is not the designator for
the size. There are 4150' and 4160's. 4150's have the dual inlet fuel bowls
and lines and if there is no vacuum pod on the passenger side it should have
two squirter pumps with arms front and rear. To get the size of the carb,
look at the air horn and take the list ª off of it. That is what I need to
tell you the size.

Jim Chermack


>Anyone know if Holly has a way of Identifying CFM Ratings on there
>carbs, in particular, 4150 Double Pumper? I know the carb, just don't
>know the size. Picked it up at a swap meet, but, was so inthrawled
>with the price, I didn't ask the size (DUH, can you tell it was my
>first swap meet. :)
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:05:41 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 394: how similar to 303/324/371? to 330/425?

If you need any help finding either parts or a complete engine just let
me know.  Anyway, I hope this is of at least *some* help :)

    Scott
   1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
- --
 P.S.--I'll see what the deal is on thoes 371 manifolds...
 I have been reading about the need for a 1964  '394'  engine. I have a
nice running one out of a Dynamic 88. It is a two barrel engine minus
exhaust manifolds

Everett  OCAª 1961  1961 Starfire
- ----------
Scott, Everett, anyone else with a '49 to '64 Rocket,
Could you guys get the casting numbers and IDs from these engines for
the FAQ? Things like block, head, intake exhaust manifold casting
numbers and IDs. Also, remind me what model these engines came from.

The block numbers are on the bellhousing. There might also be a number
with a fraction there also, I'll take that as well. For the heads, it
seems there was some variation on the location for the ID. It is usually
on the top side of the middle exhaust ports, near where they exit the
head. The intake casting numbers and ID are on top, usually on the
runners. Exhaust manifolds are just on the manifold - I can't remember
if there is any RH or LH information.

Anyone with better information about the location of these identifying
marks?
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:56:58 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al

I think so. The cut up valve cover sounds good. Only thing is that I 2
sets of original '72 valve cover. I really don't want to cut one up
leaving one set useless. I have to get some late model '75 350's valve
cover from the scrap yard. More time....sssshesh.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Andy Geeting[SMTP:geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:58 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al
>
> At 02:32 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I bought the Comp Cam High Energy adjustable rocker kit. Comes with
> the
> >studs, guide plates, roller rockers and push rods. The system
> installs
> >easily, but the instructions are not very accurate. Someone mentioned
> >about the tightening the locker nuts. I took the instructions for
> true
> >and noticed that they needed to be tightened a little more. The
> >instructions mention 1/2 turn from finger tight but now that I read,
> I
> >think 3/4 to 1 turn may be required. A little expensive but should
> have
> >done this long ago. When you use a performance cam there's no way the
> >stock pushrods are going to line up. This kit will help.
> >
> >I have a question, how did you guys, the ones that installed these
> kits
> >adjust the rockers for the first time. I've experienced that
> adjusting
> >them while running is the best but how do you stop the oil from
> getting
> >everywhere? I'm thinking of getting another pair of rocker covers and
> >cutting a large slot on top. This way no oil gets out . Any
> comments...?
> >
> >Fernando Proietto
> >Systems Analyst - Informatics
> >
> >Environment Canada
> >Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> >4905 Dufferin St.
> >Downsview, Ontario
> >M3H 5T4
> >
> >> ----------
> >> From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com[SMTP:AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 1997 10:37 AM
> >> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >> Subject: Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al
> >>
> >> I went with the Crane set up it is a steel roller rocker, screw in
> >> studs and
> >> guide plates,also cam with push rods.I believe It was under $200
> and
> >> no
> >> machining was necc.
> >>
> >I think I've seen some where they make litle metal clips that attach
> to
> the rocker arms (or some place) that help deflect oil away from you.
> Not
> sure how well they would keep the oil in the engine. Seems to me the
> your
> idea about the rocker covers would probably be the best.
>
> Andy Geeting
>
> '87 Cutlass Supreme
> '88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
> '74 Delta 88 convertible
> '78 Caprice wagon
> '36 Plymouthh coupe
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:34:45 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

>
>whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all
the
>other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run
all
>the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this
car
>but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
>still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone
got
>any ideas?
>
>Gary Harrod
>gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
>N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.


I'm going through the same exact thing right now with my 86
Cutlass...Everything should bolt up, you should put on a new intake
manifold so you don't choke the new bigger heads, and to do that takes
some tinkering, the sensors will require pipe reducers if you get an
edelbrock...from what I know of, you'll have to use the same exhaust
manifolds from the 307, I haven't been told different yet, I HOPE I'm
wrong...
It'll take some work and patience, but I know it can be done...oh,
btw...a '70 350 has 310hp, or 325hp if you are lucky enough to find a
W31...

John Stolarski

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:37:26 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Because he could...(formerly Emissions...)

 I live in Maryland too and have a 1972 Cutlass. The engine is a 2bbl
350
>> with 46,000 miles, and these were the numbers:
>>
>> Hydrocarbons: 204 ppm, State standard 500 ppm
>> Carbon Monoxide: 0.00 pct, State standard 6.00 pct
>> Oxides of Nitrogen: n/a, n/a
>> Carbon Dioxide: 14.5 pct, State standard 6.0 pct
>>
>> Charles Sullivan
>
>If you live in MD, and the car is a '72, why did you go through
emission
>testing?


He just wanted to see if his car would pass thats all...even though it
does seem sadistic...hell, I wish my emission controlled car put up
those numbers!

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:40:55 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Dread cam bank angle question

>Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
>425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower rpm
>range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that it
>really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.

Well, for one bank, the cam will effectively be installed 6' advanced, and
for the other, it will be installed 6' retarded (assuming, of course, that
the cam is installed "stright-up" relative to the cam gear, not relative to
the ª1 cylinder-else the other bank would be 12' off). Sometimes an engine
responds well to the cam being advanced, sometimes it responds better to it
being retarded.

The best you can hope for is that one bank will see enough improvement in
performance to offset the degradation of performance on the other cylinder
bank; it's likely, however, that your performance will be worse than with a
proper 45' cam, and I don't think you can count on it being better.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 03:47:13 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Carb identification...

>When I bought my 455 for the Cutlass, it came with a carb on it, but it's not
>what was originally on the motor (it is originally a 2 bbl. motor).  Could
>someone please help me identify the carb I have (by the numbers), that way I
>have an idea of what it may have came from, and what jets, etc. are supposed
>to be in it, etc.
>
>Carb. ª: 17059272

That's for a 49-state 301 Pontiac engine with automatic transmission, as
installed in the 1979 Buick Century/Regal, or in the Pontiac Lemans/Grand
Am/Grand Prix/Firebird. It's jetting is suitable for a small engine like
this, so unless it's been rejetted, you might be running your 455 overly lean:

Primary Jet:    7031972  "72"
Primary Rod:    17057752 "52P"
Secondary Rod:  7045779  "CH"

Compare these to the values for the Q-jets of, say, a 7029251 carb from a
'69 455, and you'll see the difference in jetting. Of course, your carb may
already have been rejetted, so check if your parts match what the factory
put in it, and go from there.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability

cutlass supreme and cutlass s have different door windows,and rear window
everything else will fit.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Owners Manual

Ask the nearest olds dealer to order it for you. If they say they can't then
give them this name and address:

HELM, INCORPORATED
14310 Hamilton Avenue
Highland Park, MI 48203

Phone: 1-800-782-4356

Hope This Helps

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability

In a message dated 97-10-21 16:30:13 EDT, you write:

<< What else can be swapped?
 Everything but the nose and the tail, right?
  >>

Pretty much, though the upholstery(sp) and door panels are different.. plus
the fenders are slightly different at the front.. The 73 had the turnsignals
under the bumper, the 74-75 had them near the headlights above the bumper and
don't have th provision for the under the bumper lights.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:25:43 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
>
> There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right now
> (I
> live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played a song
> that
> goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."  Could this be in
> reference

Afternoon Delight was the name of the song.  Can't remember the group.
My mom used to listen to it when I was young.  (Maybe that has something
to do with my cars?  Doubt it...)  If I looked hard enough, I might even
find it on vinyl in the collection somewhere.  Lot of hand-me-down stuff
like that.  Remember some comedy show where they cranked that song on
repeat, locked the stereo cabinet, and locked a party in the room with
that song...  It was meant to be tragic...  Can't remember the name of
the show, either...

Charley Buehner  (who's having *sig file changes at the time...)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 19:41:46 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: real '72 442

>      Actually, while we're at this, let's not get too caught up in the "my
>      68-71 442 is 'real' and your earlier/later one is not".

I didn't infer that, Joe.

     I didn't mean to imply that you were.  This was more of a general
     comment to the list.  Sorry if I was ambiguous.

..I basically said in my latest post that ANY Olds that came with 442
on it from the factory is a 442, even though they were ALL options, some
years just standard options, that's all.

     I'd probably have to draw the line at the V-6 powered cars in the
     late 70s...  :-)

Even the four-door '64 442 is a 442.  Heck, a Cutlass WITHOUT the 442
markings is 100 times cooler than any Ch*velle.  If it's got a rocket on
it somewhere, it's cool.

     Amen to that!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:05:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 442 defined

I didn't infer that, Joe.  Bob Handren and I got into this somewhat
before on a misunderstanding.  I basically said in my latest post that
ANY Olds that came with 442 on it from the factory is a 442, even though
they were ALL options, some years just standard options, that's all.
=====================

That's funny, I could have sworn that my 68 service manual defines the "344xx"
series as "442" not "Cutlass".
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:03:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: cam bank angle, W31 xmans

W31 xmans:
Damn, go figger. Hits the starter, eh?
Another mystery cleared up.
- ----------

Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower rpm
range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that it
really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.
======================
Nope, not run so good. Let's see... 39 vs. 45 degrees, diff= 6 degrees?
Presumably more acute between the lifters at the top at 39.

Thus, the lifters in the RH bank of the block are at 45', but the cam expects
them to be 6' later, and they open 6' early. Similarly, on the LH side, lifters
are at 45', cam expects them to be at 39', so they act 6' late. Half the cyl's
are running a 6' retarded cam, half running a 6' advanced cam. Runs like shit.

That's why them TORO [& Sfire] 425's are so handy.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:33:01 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: New looks for Olds

Ingmar Ott wrote:
 Buick sounded
> >more hip with their supercharging, etc.  It was a very anemic overview
> >of all of GM actually.
>
> Couldn't agree more.  Sometimes I wonder what the designers at GM are
> smoking..
>
> Ingmar Ott              iao2@cdc.gov
> '77 Cutlass 442
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
I believe they need to start smoking whatever they using during
1966-1972 when a lot of really good iron came from all US car builders.
I know about the EPA, OPEC and all the other govt. regulators, mandates,
etc. influencing the manufacturing companies.  BUT, there are a lot of
us baby boomers that still want a car with space, economy (relatively
speaking), style and pizzazz.  These attributes can exist in the same
universe.  A case in point is the relaunch of the convertible by
Chrysler many years ago.  The market was there but no one would build
it  until Chrysler got itself in such deep financial straits it was
building anything it thought MIGHT sell.  For that by itself, I am glad
the Mopar people were still around.  If they hadn't been, we might still
not have new convertibles being built except by custom "top-chop" shops.
Just because a lot of people are in the decision making process doesn't
insure that any of them have a clue as to what is going on.  An old
saying here in Ky (horse country, of course) goes that "a camel is a
horse designed by committee."  Sometimes more advances are made by
people who are not in a comfort mode, but in the desparation mode of
winner take all.  Your large manufacturers don't have the guts (on the
whole) to pull the proverbial trigger unless forced to.  Sure hope they
figure out they are sitting on a lot of money if they can figure out how
to access it.  Can you imagine what a brand new 70 442 conv would be
worth now if it were available?  I wonder how many Olds  could sell in a
model year and for how much?  Oh well, it makes for an interesting
thought.
Just my nickel's worth on a slow day in Ky.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 00:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: SMW 403's

BTW, most were windowed main web, though I have seen one early '77 Toro with
casting numbers that Mondello says indicates solid mains.
- ------------------------------

Still waiting to give away the Big Bonus Package to the first person to step
fwd with physical proof that Solid Main Web 403 blocks exist.

Lots and lots of "I got a '4A' block, can't wait..." followed by "Dang,
windowed..."

No photos or video yet of a 403 w/ SMW's :-)
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 00:32:00 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Fw: molding removal


..So does anyone know how to get the drip rail molding off? ...

     Travis,

     The old trick for this is to use an old bottle opener.  You'll need
     the old fashioned flat type (the double-ended ones).  Use the blunt
     end, not the pointy one.  Pretend as if the roof of the car is the
     bottle cap, with the opener under the lower edge of the drip rail
     molding.  Gently pry up, working from one end of the molding to the
     other.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:37:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: New looks for Olds

Victor Duron wrote:
>
> You are sending e-mail to the wrong place  !

WOW!!!!!  That's kinda bright!  Wonder if anything else is?...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:35:15 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
> While paying bills last night, including my insurance premium, I was
> thinking about exactly this.  Charley immediately came to mind, and I
> had
> to wonder how he managed insurance for all of his cars.  Does Montana
> require insurance?

Which is one reason I only drive two cars at a time (?!)  I do some
insurance switching, over the winter, I'll keep insurance on the 77 Toro
and the 83 Cutlass.  Come spring (if it has an engine) the Rocket will
get the insurance, as will the GranSport.  The rest stay parked (or
driven illegally, which I ~really~ don't like to do.  Anything happens,
any lawsuit arises, could lose everything.  Just not a good idea.)  So,
I only keep two up at a time, and it stays remotely affordable.  State
Farm has a fleet policy that I'd inquired about once.  Most I got out of
it (I'd just asked in passing) was that if you had at least five cars to
claim, you could qualify for a fleet policy insuring "all owned
vehicles"  She gave me this "nobody owns that many cars" attitude, and
didn't give any more details.  I told her that ~I~ did, and I'd probably
be calling about it again sometime.  Maybe next year, didn't get any
prices, but I'm sure it's steep.  Shouldn't be, though, I can only drive
one at a time.  'Course, maybe they figure if I total one causing a huge
claim, I can still grab another two or three to have claims with, too :o

Charley Buehner (with no sig file still...)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 00:28:03 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: You'll all laugh...

..to see how it'd run with an open aircleaner to take in cold air from
the engine compartment.

     John, John, John.  While your ingenious air cleaner lid definitely
     reduced restriction and increased the intake sound, the flaw in your
     logic is the part about "cold air from the engine compartment."

     Think about it.  The air passing through the radiator gets heated to
     what, something over 120 deg F.  Add this to the heat radiating from
     the exhaust manifolds, in fact the whole engine, and I think you'll
     find that the underhood air is significantly warmer than ambient
     outside air.  Rule of thumb is about one horsepower is added for
     every seven degree drop in inlet air temperature.  In other words
     (and assuming equal air cleaner restriction), if your factory air
     cleaner was ducted to the outside air (doesn't it have a plastic
     duct running from the core support to the snorkel?) at, say, 70 F,
     and your modified open element air cleaner then sucked underhood air
     at, say, 120 F, you've just lost seven horsepower (50 deg F
     difference divided by 7 deg/HP = 7 HP lost).  That's a not
     insignificant percentage of the rated 180 HP on a 307.

     Now, recall that I noted that this assumes similar restriction of
     the air cleaner.  Having said that, and acknowledging that the open
     element certainly _sounds_ faster, I think you'd be hard pressed to
     prove that the stock air cleaner was a restriction to a stock 307.
     Remember that there's a reason why the original W-30s used those
     hoses running from the sealed air cleaner housing to the
     under-the-bumper scoops.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 00:36:15 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[4]: real '72 442

Joe, you realize what you have done. You now have a "real" "fake"  72
442. Now you've done it!!

> Fernando Proietto

     Don'tcha just _hate_ it when that happens!  ;-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 97 22:03:38 PDT
From: Don R Brower <bhouse@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 S-10

Re:

I was going through some of my old magazines the other day     in the
april '91 issue of
"hot truck" I found a S-10 that had been mated with a '70 toronado
the engine sits in
the middle of the box (talk about easy to work on!!)  the radiator is
mounted in the
front of the box   it has dualy fenders to copensate the width  of the
toro drivetrain
 the article never said what they were using the engine compartment
for.
there's a guy here( Monroe Wa.) thae did that to a ford courier ( hack hack
hack!!!) he's also a stunt plane pilot and said that little truck is more
fun!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:11:48 -0400
From: dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com (Valiant's Mud Lab)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:26:06 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Cutlass Hoods

Hi,

I just got me a 1972 Olds Cutlass.  I had my brother-in-law take a look
at it and he told me the hood was real rare.  He said it was real hard
to find this kind because of the plastic fins a little over half way up.

Can anyone give me any data?

thanks,

Erik W. Badzinski

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:41:10 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: G body parts needed!

This is the a list of all I need to increase my car's pleasure factor
using all Olds things.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  If anyone who
has these things lives anywhere between Philadelphia and Tucson, AZ, I'll
stop by your house to pick `em up.  Otherwise, the UPS strike has ended.

- ->bucket seats from G body, grey
  6-way power preferably
- ->guage cluster from Cutlass w/ guage package
- ->Lightening Rod shifter and grey console
- ->setup for power mirrors w/o changing my mirrors
- ->hood ornament w/ rocket, not crown
- ->turn signal stalk w/ cruise control controls
- ->cruise control unit that actually works!

Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:49:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: subscribe

SUBSCRIBE please

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:08:07 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: funny bracket

Olds Folks,
My 67' Cutlass ragtop has a funny bracket/brace that runs from the trunk
spring bracket to the inside of the right quarter panel where it is glued.
Any ides
what this is. I have not seen it on other years or other a bodies.

The General

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:57:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holiday vs. Sports Coupe

Post coupes have a frame that's part of the body for the rear window and
door.  The Holiday Coupe doe not.

With all the windows down in a Holiday Coupe, there is no obstruction from
the front area of the door to the rear of the back window.

If your '69 Holiday Coupe is in "premo" (Class II) condition, automatic with
buckets and a console, PS, PB, A/C (maybe) and AM/FM stereo radio, and you
are interested in selling it, Email to gpmtrader@aol.com.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 07:38:21 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Remove a/c belt for HP

Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do this,
then i'll have two remaining belts (alternator and power steering)
"pulling" on the left side (driver's side) of the engine.  Would this
then create a stress on the engine in any way, causing some type of wear
over time to, maybe, the crank bearings, etc. because all belts would
then be pulling on one side of the engine??? ... Maybe i'm just
over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
anyway?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:54:58 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: General question

Hi all,

I was wondering something.  How much engine parts can be used between
a 350 and 400 CID engined cars?  Example: 1968 Cutlass and 1968 442?

Thanks

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 04:52:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: SMW 403's

- ---Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:

Still waiting to give away the Big Bonus Package to the first person
to step fwd with physical proof that Solid Main Web 403 blocks exist.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We pulled a 403 out of a 77 Delta 4 door a few years back. It's been
in my shed ever since. I guess I need to take the pan off and check
the webs!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:08:56 -0700
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Last Chance to Vote on MCC

Hi Everyone, this is the last day to VOTE on the MCC Contest. If you
didn't vote yet and if you have the time please vote for my 1962
Starfire. Here is the web address ....THANK YOU..Larry Polesnak
     " http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml "

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 05:21:24 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

Hi Joe,

> Do you happen to have the values for 70-72 Cutlass Supreme?

Yes I do:

Car                         6       5       4       3       2       1
70 C/S 4d HT **           350     780    1300    2600    4550    6500
70 C/S 2d HT **           450    1500    2500    5000    8800   12500
70 C/S Conv  **           700    2150    3600    7200   12600   18000
71 C/S 4d HT **           200     670    1150    2250    3920    5600
71 C/S 2d HT **           400    1300    2200    4400    7700   11000
71 C/S Conv  **           700    2150    3600    7200   12600   18000
72 C/S 4d HT ***          350     780    1300    2600    4550    6500
72 C/S 2d HT ***          450    1450    2400    4800    8400   12000
72 C/S Conv  ***          700    2150    3600    7200   12600   18000
** Add 20% for SX option
** Add 20% for 455 when not standard
*** Add 40% for 4-4-2 option
*** Add 20% for Hurst option

There ya go....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:04:35 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)

Sure do, it is better known to the world now as J. C. Whitney.  My
neighbor used to frequent there a lot, JC bought them out.  It is all
one big happy family now.  I have heard it is worth going to the store,
they are rebuilding it now, but said to be huge.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:10:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane booster

In a message dated 97-10-22 07:53:45 EDT, you write:

<< came
 >across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane >>

Where did you come accross that?  Is it just a local gas station set-up?  If
it is a chain, I'd like to find a local one in the Washington DC area.

Tom Simmons

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Owners Manual

In a message dated 97-10-22 01:17:12 EDT, you write:

<< Ask the nearest olds dealer to order it for you. If they say they can't
then
 give them this name and address:

 HELM, INCORPORATED
 14310 Hamilton Avenue
 Highland Park, MI 48203

 Phone: 1-800-782-4356 >>


Hi -

I missed the first part of this thread and am curious about what "it" is that
is being orderd from the dealership.  Thanks for helping me along.

Tom Simmons

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:11:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

On the OCPG topic, the confusing thing about the 72 values is that it's not
clear whether or not they're additive, i.e., is a 72 Hurst/Olds REALLY worth
less than a 72 442???  Several years ago, I spoke with the editor of the OCPG
and was told, in fact, that they are designed to be additive, so the 72 H/O
is 20% on top of a 72 442 value, or a 60% premium over the Cutlass Supreme.
 He also stated that they don't adjust for sunroof/non-sunroof cars, but that
this option would "definately add at least another 10%".  Apparantly the
confusion is that the OCPG assumes the H/O was an added option for the 442,
not an option in it's own right for the Cutlass.

Bottom line, the value is determined by a seller and a buyer, not a price
guide.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:13:42 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Dread cam bank angle question

Yes it does, a 45 degree cam will not work in a 39 degree block and visa
versa.

- ----------
> From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Dread cam bank angle question
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 9:57 PM
>
> Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
> 425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower rpm
> range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that it
> really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.
>
> Thanks,
> Ken
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:19:03 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: General question

The valve covers.

- ----------
> From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: General question
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 11:54 AM
>
> Hi all,
>
> I was wondering something.  How much engine parts can be used between
> a 350 and 400 CID engined cars?  Example: 1968 Cutlass and 1968 442?
>
> Thanks
>
> Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:24:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

In a message dated 97-10-22 02:18:50 EDT, you write:

<<  the plastic fins a little over half way up >>

Erik -

Would these "plastic fins" actually be non-functional chrome louvres that
give the appearance of air vents into the engine compartment?

Tom Simmons

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 06:18:03 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: 455 S-10

I've always wanted to do the same thing to my VW bus. I still may.

- ----------
> From: Don R Brower <bhouse@seanet.com>
> To: olds-list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: 455 S-10
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 5:03 AM
>
> Re:
>
> I was going through some of my old magazines the other day     in the
> april '91 issue of
> "hot truck" I found a S-10 that had been mated with a '70 toronado
> the engine sits in
> the middle of the box (talk about easy to work on!!)  the radiator is
> mounted in the
> front of the box   it has dualy fenders to copensate the width  of the
> toro drivetrain
>  the article never said what they were using the engine compartment
> for.
> there's a guy here( Monroe Wa.) thae did that to a ford courier ( hack
hack hack!!!) he's also a stunt plane pilot and said that little truck is
> more fun!!!!!!!!
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:49:42 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: header conversion

- -----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
To

>I am currently in the process of putting a 69' 455 into a mid 80's
>cutlass. My question is does anyone know where I can buy a set of headers
>that will fit?
>
>Ben Cook
>
I used mid '70 Cutlass 455 headers on a '82 Cutlass I had. They were JR
headers. The speed shop I got them from said they are identical to Cyclone.
They were a bit of a pain to put in but a large oil filter cleared them and
it didn't drip oil on them when I changed the oil also was able to remove
the starter with the headers in place.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:38:46 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

The band was named the Starland Vocal Band (Bill Danoff, Taffy Danoff,
Margot Chapman, Jon Caroll). Ultimate one-hit wonders of the mid
- -seventies. Their 1976 hit "Afternoon Delight" even spawned a variety show
during the summer of '77 which employed a little-known writer/actor named
David Letterman.

- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 12:25 AM
>
> Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
> >
> > There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right now
> > (I
> > live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played a song
> > that
> > goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."  Could this be in
> > reference
>
> Afternoon Delight was the name of the song.  Can't remember the group.
> My mom used to listen to it when I was young.  (Maybe that has something
> to do with my cars?  Doubt it...)  If I looked hard enough, I might even
> find it on vinyl in the collection somewhere.  Lot of hand-me-down stuff
> like that.  Remember some comedy show where they cranked that song on
> repeat, locked the stereo cabinet, and locked a party in the room with
> that song...  It was meant to be tragic...  Can't remember the name of
> the show, either...
>
> Charley Buehner  (who's having *sig file changes at the time...)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:52:24 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

Charlie is right, the song is Afternoon Delight.  The group was the
Starland Vocal Band.  It was kind of a country/pop song.  It was not
about cars, it is about sex in the afternoon.  Lyrics go, "Gonna grab my
baby, gonna hold her tight, gonna grab some afternoon delight."  I do
remember a 61 bubbletop Impala, candy red metalflake, with a 409, called
"Evening Delight".  Closest thing to sex on wheels at the time.

Dave (who switched to country for the duration of disco) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:16:51 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

>In a message dated 97-10-21 00:02:29 EDT, you write:
>
><< >What is the E-mail address, snail mail address, or Phone number for the
> Paddock? So I can get those hood pins? If I put on a set of 350 heads, how
> much will my compression end up being? HP?
>
> Shayne Horn
> 1970 Rallye350
> 1985 442
>  >>
>Paddock west
>1663 plum lane
>box 8547
>redlands, CA 92375
>phone ª1-800-854-8532
>
>Sorry I sent that twice, accidently bumped the send..  If you add 72 or
>earlier 350 cylinder heads, your  compression will be abound 9.5:1-10:1, it
>will increase your HP considerably, though you'll probably want to add a cam
>that can take advantage of that high compression.. if matched with an
>edelbrock intake, I'm guessing around 300 hp, though that's a really rought
>estimate and depends on the parts that you use.
>
>DrkSole
>73 Cutlass Supreme
>67 Detla 88 Custom
>

How much would a set of 350 heads cost? Where could I get them? Could I put
them in myself?

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:19:30 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats

I have a pair of nice finished buckets, dark green.  Pretty sure they are from
a 68-72 Cutlass.  $100 pair plus shipping from Maryland, which might not make
sense for you.  email me direct if you're interested.

Todd Morris
71 442
toddmorr@us.ibm.com

>I need bucket seats for a 70 cutlass. I guess they wouldn't HAVE to be from
>a 70 just something similar. Somewhere in IL would be best because shipping
>might be cost prohibitive.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:23:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

>>
>>whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all
>the
>>other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run
>all
>>the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this
>car
>>but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
>>still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone
>got
>>any ideas?
>>
>>Gary Harrod
>>gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
>>N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.
>
>
>I'm going through the same exact thing right now with my 86
>Cutlass...Everything should bolt up, you should put on a new intake
>manifold so you don't choke the new bigger heads, and to do that takes
>some tinkering, the sensors will require pipe reducers if you get an
>edelbrock...from what I know of, you'll have to use the same exhaust
>manifolds from the 307, I haven't been told different yet, I HOPE I'm
>wrong...
>It'll take some work and patience, but I know it can be done...oh,
>btw...a '70 350 has 310hp, or 325hp if you are lucky enough to find a
>W31...
>
>John Stolarski
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I was planning on using my old heads, the 307's, on the 350 or will that
not work? Or would it be better to use the 350 heads? I'm not trying to
build a hot rod, I just want this car to get out of its own way. Something
with more power than its got now. I'm also like you putting it in a cherry
'87 Cutless Surpreme  B. Thanks for the info. I would like to hear more on
this subject too

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:42:59 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 S-10

The latest Car Craft has a picture of the engine of this truck in the
'neat car crafter trick' section. That's not the name of the article,
but you get the idea.

Any speaking of such magazine, there's a Willian Reilly's car (from
Rhode Island) on the last couple of pages. Is that Bill from this list?
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 09:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: RE: Accessory Brackets SB & BB

For those of you who advised swapping small block accessory brackets
onto a big block you are correct that they bolt right on.. BUT, the
alignement of the mounting holes, at least on the a/c brackets, is off by
at least an inch.. this also makes sense upon reflection, as a big block
is wider and taller than a small block and therefore anything bolted to
the heads is farther away from the centerline of the engine ie water pump
mounting studs... ergo... I am in need of big block (455) a/c mounting
brackets.. I wonder if the dealers still have any? BTW, if my analysis is
correct I slso am in need of p/s pump brackets also..

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:49:09 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

Dave,

 You took care of your friends.  How could you do less.  Here's hoping that
the car will be just fine.  It would have had a leak anway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





Well, here's a story worth telling...I'm still p*ssed off about it, too.


P.S.--Here's the part I still can't believe...it's now 2:52am, and I
have to get up at 7:30 for work tomorrow!

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:09:01 -0400
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

Need to get some Quad 4 talk going here, anyone out there?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:54:15 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

> There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right
> now (I live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played
> a song that goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."

It has the also-appropriate title of "Afternoon Delight," by Starland
Vocal Band, 1977.

> Could this be in reference to the Olds rocket?

Uh, no.  :-)  No, no, no, no, no, no...  no.

> Just a wild guess...probably no connection.

You can say that again.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:55:20 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: Octane booster

UNOCAL '76 103 octane is only available on the left coast unfortunately.
(Gee, I miss my Sunoco 260)


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


>----------
>From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com[SMTP:DEOVIVERE@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, 1997 October, 22 09:10 14:21
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Octane booster
>
>In a message dated 97-10-22 07:53:45 EDT, you write:
>
><< came
> >across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane >>
>
>Where did you come accross that?  Is it just a local gas station set-up?  If
>it is a chain, I'd like to find a local one in the Washington DC area.
>
>Tom Simmons
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:19:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

chris, you are quiet right about the w-z code on 350 xman, and that they wont
fit 350 blocks. i to have tried them. by the way the rallye 350 used the same
xman. with block off .     my two cents.            ps. if anyone finds out
what numbers are for 70 w-31 let me know will you, mine were missing on my
w-31 as well.    steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:20:41 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

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Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do this,
then i'll have two remaining belts (alternator and power steering)
"pulling" on the left side (driver's side) of the engine.  Would this
then create a stress on the engine in any way, causing some type of wear
over time to, maybe, the crank bearings, etc. because all belts would
then be pulling on one side of the engine??? ... Maybe i'm just
over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
anyway?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:23:46 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Dread cam bank angle question

Ken and list folk,
I had the wrong cam in my 66 98 for about a month back in 87. Basically it
ran ok from 2000 RPM and up, but idled very, very poorly. Eventually the
builder discovered that he'd put the wrong one in and put in the correct
one. So. It will run (cough, choke, sputter, cough), but not how you'd want
it to.

One question: Does anyone know which one I'm supposed to have? I could check
the installed cam specs (carefully saved), but was wondering if anyone knew
off the top of their head. It's a 66 425 (now 455) block with C smog heads.

hope this helps,
cf


>Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
>425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower rpm
>range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that it
>really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 08:28:58 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

Hiflyr442@aol.com wrote:

> Bottom line, the value is determined by a seller and a buyer, not a price
> guide.

True.  The price guide is only a ball park.  Supply and demand will
obviously
dictate variations.  The guide is just an aid for me guage how much I
should
or should not be spending on a car.  If you are in California, the
recycling
program will give the owner of a car, ownership of at least 1 year,
either $500/$600,
depending on year, for one that runs under its own power.  It also is
required
to go forward and backward, and start up.  That's it.  A car can be a
bucket
of rusted bucket which would be normally be worth $100 to $200, however,
the owner
can get $500/$600.

Chris Sparks

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