
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, November 2 1997       Volume 01 : Number 934



Re: Beautiful day in central IL.
Re: What does EGR do?
Re: D88 Water Leaks
Sure, it is... (Was Re: Split Fire)
B/C Body Blower Question
Re: 1966 Delta 88
Re: 307 performance
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Re: Deserted Island.snip this?
Re: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale
69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale
Re: 307 performance
Re: Split Fire
trans swapp
[none]
part$ car
489 HP 307?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: Split Fire
Whats out there?
Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?
68 442
Re: Split Fire
Re: 70 442 Exhaust
'72 Cutlass trunk lid protective molding
Re: in a movie
Re: in a movie
Re: Split Fire
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: Split Fire
Re: 307 performance
Re: Sure, it is... (Was Re: Split Fire)
Re: 307 performance
Re: Aussie Olds
Re: in a movie
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: B/C Body Blower Question
nonolds help
Re: 1966 Delta 88
[Fwd: nonolds help]
UNBOUNCE: Trans Swap
Radiators was Re: Whats out there?
G'day Daniel!!
G'day Daniel!!
Chris Brown.....
Re: nonolds help
Re: Aussie Olds
Re: nonolds help
Re: exhaust interchange
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: 68 442
Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: G'day Daniel!!
Re:wanted '69 auto console and shifter
Re: Amsoil
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: G'day Daniel!!
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: exhaust interchange
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: UNBOUNCE: Trans Swap
Re: Split Fire
Re: 307 performance
[none]
[none]
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: 489 HP 307?
Re: What to do?
Re: 70 442 Exhaust
Vista vs. Custom Cruiser (Was:Re: Chris Brown.....)

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 20:51:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Heiser5@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beautiful day in central IL.

Where are you at in central IL?  I'm from Peoria...

Mark Heiser

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 20:57:07 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

hi.

an egr, huh???  you wanna know what it does???

here goes....

when an older engine runs (pre-egr), the combustion heat was quite high
in the piston chambers.  When the temperature of combustion is high, it 
produces nitrogen oxide (A.K.A.  NOX).  this nox was found to aid in the 
destruction of the ozone layer, so a bunch of engineers did a study and 
found that fewer nox were produced at lower temperature combustion.

(this is where the EGR comes in)
EGR basically is an "exhaust gas recycler".  it takes some of the 
exhaust gas (all ready burnt) and puts it back in the combustion 
chamber.  since this gas cannot be "reburnt" in the combustion stroke, 
the flame becomes cooler (comparitivly) and thus reduces NOX.  what ever 
nox that is produced, goes through the catalitic converter (which 
becomes very hot to burn off more of the excess nox) and come out the
tailpipe to a much happier environment.

basically, (and you didn't hear this from me)  if you got a metal plate 
and blocked off the egr spot on your manifold, your car would probably 
run, then your computer will go a little wacky!

hope this helps solve the "mystery" for you.

- --jj

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:17:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: D88 Water Leaks

With heavy rain forecast here for tomorrow, I figured I better try and 
fix the water coming in thru the heater box that was talked about 
earlier. I took off the cowl intake grill, and... no seam to be seen. Same 
as I recalled last time. 

Stumped, I resorted to using a little strip caulk on the seam I could see 
on the heater under the dash that seemed to be the source of the leak. 
We'll see if it works, but it bugs me that I couldn't figure out where 
this seam was from the other side. 

If anyone has the TSB for a non-A/C '78 B/C body that deals with this, 
maybe you can fill me in. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:15:24 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Sure, it is... (Was Re: Split Fire)

Gee.....maybe we should all get those rare 1.2 rocker arms if they add 300+ 
horsepower! ;-)


>my friends 307 is a rockect ship only wish i had it but my olds jsut looks
>the same but it has about 489 horse before nos and about 789 after nos
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:23:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: B/C Body Blower Question

Sorry to bug everyone with all these questions about the heater on the 
Delta, but it is a never-ending mystery.

Today in the junqueyarde I noticed that some of these cars have a blower 
motor with a hole in the side of the housing that has a rubber tube 
leading from it to the heater case. Others don't. Didn't seem to have 
much to do with the year of the car. What does this do? Cool the motor? 
Why do some have it and others not?

The reason for asking: it seems that the Delta had its blower replaced at 
some point, and it has the hole in the housing with no place for the tube 
to connect into.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:13:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

>        Thanks for your reply. I am in the U.S.A.. Do you know where I
>can get an owners manual? They seem to be very hard to find. 

You can buy an original or a reprint from any of the restoration houses
(Fusick's, Year One) or literature dealers (check in Hemmings). Expect to
pay $45-$95; worth every penny!

>Does 425
>sound right for the engine in my car? Its a screamer and lots of fun to
>drive.

The 425 would be correct; is it a 2-barrel or 4-barrel carb engine?
High-compression or low-compression?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:18:39 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 307 performance

Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
> 
> the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
> packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos

Are you sure it's an Olds motor?  It sounds more like Pratt & Whitney...

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:28:01 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

Does anyone know which wire to install the switch on re: the LTC?

At 11:57 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Doug, the convertor should be locking in third gear.  You should probably
>check the lock up solenoid.  You can disable lock up by installing a switch
>in the lock up circuit.  Jegs and Summit have these kits.
>
>In a message dated 97-10-27 02:36:55 EST, you write:
>
>> I have an '84 Cutlass Supreme with a V6. It has the THM-250 transmission.
>>  It likes to lockup far too soon after it warms up.  I drive this car on a
>>  mail route and it is getting to be a real pain when it does this.  Is
>there
>>  an easy cure, or a way to disable the LTC altogether?  Thanks...
>>  
>>  Just a message from Doug
>>  http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton
>
>Paul Pate
>Mechanical Design Engineer
>Port Neches, Texas
>70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
>84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)  
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 21:26:09 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island.snip this?

RCKTPWR wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-31 23:41:47 EST, you write:
> 
> << [snip.....snip snip snip snip!!!!] >>
> whats this snip stuff anyway, just curious
> Bernie

It's been encouraged that people "snip" all of the excess lines when
replying to a message...it cuts down on bandwidth, and saves a lot of
reading time.

For example, if you were replying to a message that was 30 lines long,
and you wanted to reply to just a few lines, you'd trim all of the
excess "fat" from the body of the message.  The "snip" sign is just an
acknowledgement that the original message has been altered.

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:56:56 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale

Hi there,

I am interested in the car.  I am located in Marietta.  Where are you?

THanks,

Ed

Ed,

I live in Loganville, Ga.  Give me a call and we will set up a time for
you to see 
the convertible.

Thanks,
Clay Merenuk
770-466-9109

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 21:52:07 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: 69 Cutlass Convertible for Sale

Sorry, the listing didn't turn out like I planed it would. Let me try it
again a
different way.
**Engine:**  Rebuilt 455 bored .30 over, less than fifty miles on
motor.** 
TRW 11.1 to 1 forged aluminum pistons.** W-30 cam .474 lift with 328
duration** 
Double roller timing chain** High volume oil pump** Dual point
distributor** high capacity Accel coil** 
headers** C cast heads** Aluminum Offenhuaser intake manifold with DUAL
Quadar-Jet carbs(Yes to 4-barrels)**
 Electric fuel pump** 3 angle valve cut** new valve springs and lifters**
Chrome valve covers** 
power steering******Transmission:******* Muncie 4-speed close ratio
M-21** heavy duty Borg & Warner clutch and pressure plate** Hurst floor
shifter** 12 bolt rear end********Body:******* Sanded car down to metal
and primered except for hood.** some bondo work was on top of rear wheel
wells.** few dings.** some rust behind drivers side wheel wells** bumpers
in good shape( rear bumper is a 442 bumper needs to be re chromed)** 
Original color was Platinum** no rust on frame, trunk pan, or floor pan(
southern car)********Interior:******* 
Black top and interior both need to be replaced** 442 glove box( Key
works)** power top works great** 
Stick shift console (white needs to be painted black)******** 
I bought the car back in 83.  I was in the process of restoring it. 
Didn't get to finishbecause I had bought a 69 442 convertible and put all
my time and money in it.  ThenI got married and kids and now I have no
time or money for this car.  I drove the car frommy parents house to my
new house.  Parked it in the garage.  That was about eight yearsago.  I
have done all the engine and trans. work, just didn't get to the body and
interior.Need to find a good home for it.  Oh, as you can tell, I was
going to make it into a 442 clone.I have most all that you would need to
do this.  The car is cleaned up and is driving strong.******* 
Price:***$3700.00****** Clay Merenuk******Near Atlanta,
Ga.****770-466-9109

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 18:56:22 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 307 performance

>the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the 
little 307
>packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
>

How in the world did you get a 307 up to 489 Horsepower? The best I've 
been able to do is 300 hp...is this really true?

John

86' CS

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 20:55:57 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

All right, this is REDICULOUS,

    I guarantee you that the fact that plugs are splitfires doesn't help
anything!  Anyone who has recieved a change because of them should
probably check a couple of things:

        a) the condition of the old plugs.  Of course you're going to
see an improvement if your old ones had crap all over them or were
gapped badly!

        b) The distance the splitfire extends into the combustion
chamber.  A "hotter" plug (one that extends father in) may change
various things.  It might not foul as easy, but it CAN also burn your
piston.  The spark plug too far into the combustion chambe can create a
hot spot and cause the piston to fail at that point.

    Another thing - this 160 mph 307 is a pipe dream unless you've made
some SERIOUS horsepower and gearing changes.  That little engine would
have started suffocating well before that!  It would certainly take more
than you could pull with $600 to even come close.  I expect that if you
beat a 5.0, it was broken, and if his speedo read 160 at the time, then
that was broken too.  5-liter Mustangs are some of the best accelerating
and best high-speed-geared cars around.  I'd be pretty surprised if
anything built in the United States in '83 could go that fast, even the
all-mighty Vette.  By the way, that year Vette had Cross-Fire Injection
- - sucked.

    A 307 just isn't the best place to go to get speed.  It might be a
little quick, but if it was capable of such things don't you think that
Oldsmobile would have targetted a younger crowd with it?  Also, this
engine would be REVERED in the annals of history as having one of the
most rockin' horsepower to displacement ratios in automotive history!
Why didn't Olds rule Le Mans in '83?!

    Until I see some specs on this I don't buy it, and I'm pretty sure
that few others do, either.  Even so, you must have been going pretty
fast to even THINK that you MIGHT be going 160, so I want to see what
you did.  Maybe 600 bucks can go farther than I thought.  Was I mistaken
to put my power hopes on a big-block?

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455 (not 307...not 160 mph)

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 20:01:48 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <"ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att."@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: trans swapp

It's winter time.  Time for the indoor projects.  
I would like to know if my math is correct in figuring out differential
ratios.  I currently have a 2.53 set of gears in my 72 Vista Cruiser and
would like to change the gears and Transmission.  

The transmission will be a 200-R4 and I think the OD ratio is .67.  If
this is correct then if I install a 4.11 ring & pinion would the final
ratio be 2.51?

Next question, I asked before,  in the old OLDS FAQ someone stated that
they had done the transmission swap(200-R4) and had all information for
the work done.  Does anyone know who this was and how to get in touch
with this person?  I know where to get the transmission and conversion
kit but any info from someone who has done this project will speed up
the conversion process.  

Thanks 
C. R. Isaacks II
E-Mail ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:07:48 -0500 (EST)
From: AKing66@aol.com
Subject: [none]

ss Supreme

maybe your shock mounts?

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:10:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: part$ car

- --boneyard 72 VC

$500 Canadian Dollars might be about right.

Max figure might be US $300 for the motor, $200 for brakes. Rest freebies.
Discount for the hassle of extracting those parts- about 50%- I get that a
reasonable person might pay $250 US for it. Then again, they have us by the
short-n-curlies, 'cause the KNOW we car nuts are far from "reasonable" when it
comes to parts cars. That assumes the engine still turns over 2x. Hey, dual
exhaust manifolds? That'd help. Power tailgate switch is desirable.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:20:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 489 HP 307?

the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
======================

Yeah, not that I don't believe you...

Who am I kidding? Of *course* I don't believe you! You, over here, onto the
carpet!

You wouldn't just happen to have that dyno report lying about, would you? I am
SURE that these sort of figures were not just pulled from the air, right, they
are real numbers from a dynamometer test of the engine in question. Not like,
"Started at 150 HP, the cam ad says it adds 40 HP, the intake adds another 40,
the Holley carb HAS to be good for at least 39 HP, the Splitfyres another
10%..."  Pretty soon we're up to 489 'theoretical' horsepower. And, of course,
the "300 hp" N2O kit adds EXACTLY 300 HP no matter what motor it's applied to,
right?

This is frankly rather astonishing to find that I wasted $2000 on that dang
race motor 425 only to have the Cutlass hardly even dip into the 12's. Heck, I
could've used a 307 and done better than that. Right? Dang, I don't even HAVE
any 7A heads [BIG "A"] in my inventory. Do have 6A's though... same ports.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:40:50 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
 
> the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
> packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
> ======================
If you can get 489 out of a 307, that means a 455 should be good for
about 700 *before* Nitrous!  
How could you possibly get that kind of ponies out of a 307? (Pull it
outta yer *ss?)
Trick sparkplugs and Wynn's "Tune-up In A Can" can only do so much! 

S.D.W.

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Date: Sat, 01 Nov 1997 22:44:37 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

> the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
> packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
> ======================
I'm sure you've all seen the Net-lingo "LOL" (laughing out loud) before,
but who was the on that invented "ROFLMAO" (Rolling On Floor, Laughing
My *ss Off!)

I think it fits the situation quite well...

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:52:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

In a message dated 97-11-01 22:24:35 EST, you write:

<< 
 the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little
307
 packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
 ======================
 
 Yeah, not that I don't believe you...
 
 Who am I kidding? Of *course* I don't believe you! You, over here, onto the
 carpet!
   Pretty soon we're up to 489 'theoretical' horsepower. And, of course,
 the "300 hp" N2O kit adds EXACTLY 300 HP no matter what motor it's applied
to,
 right?
 Chris  B. Witt =:
  >>

An interesting point to all of this is that  a 307 making that kind of power
is
going to have a high power band and need one hell of a cam.  So this 
motor will not be compatible with a stock street drive train, and since a 
mid nine second car is going  to be slower than the 160+ thats being 
discussed here, in the quarter for trap speed that is, I doubt seriously the
car is set up for drag racing only.  This leads me to believe that the car
is probably not driveable, not raceable, or not realable......TIM

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 22:57:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

In a message dated 97-11-01 22:40:08 EST, you write:

<< I have no time slips i race on the side with friends from the auto trade.
But
 i tell you now my car is not as stock as it seems i have no computer my carb
 is a mechanical q-jet i hav e a vacum advance distrbutor accel super hei
coil
 also plugs are gapped at .060  head work and i control lock up on the
 converter also i have 2.73 gear posi. i have been estimated at sped excess
of
 160 on the New Jersey Turnpike also custum made ram air >>

I would  be curious to know if you have a Tachometer in the car and what 
RPM you are turning at 160+.........TIM

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:12:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Whats out there?

 Just curious as to any information anyone might have on Radiators.
I am in need of replacing the Radiator in our 68 Cutlass Convert with
an Original 350 4 barrel motor in it.   Our 442 originally came with the 
4 row HD Radiator and it works fine with the 455 thats in the car now.
The Cutlass however did not have the HD Radiator which was a 3 row,
and instead has the original 2 row that just never has seemed to be 
quite enough on those idle, cruise, idle some more car show days or
just getting caught up in traffic and other hot day stuff.  

My thoughts right now are to either find a good used 4 row, (anybody
 got one for sale?), or to buy a new one.. My questions are:

IS there a new technology out there today in these replacement Radiators
that would make buying a new one the better move ? Would a new
3 row work better than a used 4 row? Am I correct to assume like so
many other things that Radiators too are interchangable between all
the 68 A bodies? what other years can I interchange with? I know that
the replacement ones are made both here and afar, one better than the
other?  What are the best companies to buy these from for both quality
and price?  I know that with many things that interchange, when I price it
as 68 Olds 442 its higher than if I say 68......SS.  Any good solid advice
in this area would be greatly appreciated as I would like to get this problem
taken care as reasonable quick... One more question,,,,who makes a 
good or the best 'high flow' thermostat for these motors? Probably of
the 180* range.....Many Thanks In Advance.....TIM

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:15:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?

>interesting of which was a '72 Vista Cruiser. It was in pretty rough 
>shape -- floor gone, roof starting to rot, etc. -- but had some 
>interesting things on there still, not the least of which was a totally 
>unmolested 455 with G heads. Even the carb still looked good. The yard 
>owner said it ran when junked. 
 [snip]
>What would a car like that go for? I was thinking $500 or so. Opinions?

Well, a couple years ago I bought a '72 VC for parts. I paid $250, though
its body was in a bit-better shape than what you describe, and it had a rear
axle (3.08 open), but only a 350/2-bbl that wasn't running. I'd say the car
you describe would be worth about that or a bit more (maybe $350US); were
you thinking $500 Canadian?

That'd be a great donor for your '68, though!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:22:42 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 68 442

Well I finally got to look at the 442 be hind the tranny shop here.  It has
what looks to me as a rather large rear sway bar(dont know size just looks
thick), red fender stripes, auto w/console, the passange side has an air
intake ubder the front bumper about 1 1/2 " tall and about 4 or 5" wide.
Could not find clues of one on the drives side. body is in good shape. paint
fadded real bad. Looks like it may have been a light grey or silver color
before it faded now it looks like light grey primer in color.

Bad news is that the old man does not want to sell it.  He says he is
holding on to it for his grandson(lucky kid).  Oh well. maybe next time. It
was still nice to look at a nice machine like that. BTW the motor was out.
He says he has it in the garage waiting to rebuild it. I dont know much
about the 68 442's but I thought he aid it was a 455. I dont know. Did the
442's in 68 have 455's?

I just thought I would pass on what I found out about the car.

I plan on making a trip out to the local wrecking yard in the morning to see
what kind of goodies they have out there.  It only takes about 2 hours too
walk thru the place.  It must cover 40 acers(sp).  I'll let every one know
if I found any thing of intrest later.


Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:16:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

>my friends 307 is a rockect ship only wish i had it but my olds jsut looks
>the same but it has about 489 horse before nos and about 789 after nos

Those sound like dyno numbers. Those would be good numbers from a decent
street 455, never mind a 307. What rpm does it produce those numbers at?
You've got to be moving a *lot* of air through those 307 cubic inches to get
that much hp!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:16:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 70 442 Exhaust

>    I will be needing a complete exhaust for the 70 442 that I am restoring
>and am looking for the best stock system. Fusick lists a system and believe a
>list member I think it was Dr. Robert Barry got one. Need to know what the
>mufflers looked like and how the pipes came out at the back.

OK, that'd be me. The mufflers were standard Walker units, identical part
numbers, under a very wet and dark car right now, so you'll have to wait for
the number.

As far as how the pipes came out at the back... um, what do you mean? They
lined up nicely with the cutouts, but since I never had trumpets on the car
before, I don't have any reference for how far they are to stick out. From
the looks of things, though, they look just how I'd expect them to.

Everything fits beautifully, however, and that odd crimp I mentioned on the
LH front pipe, right by the flange, was exactly what was required to get by
the lower A-arm mount (tight fit there!).

As I said before, highly recommended.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:39:14 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '72 Cutlass trunk lid protective molding

Prowling the junkyards today found a bashed and beat '72 CS. Took a few
pieces to use on my '69. Noticed on the back lip of the trunklid a small bead
of stainless protective molding in very nice condition. I recall this as a
factory option that I've seen on other Cutlaii. 
If anybody is interested in this molding I can snag it next time I go back.
Always thought I'd like one for my '69.
email privately
CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 23:45:08 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: in a movie

In a message dated 97-11-01 21:20:31 EST, you write:

> 
>      Movie is "Outside Providence"  Starring  Eric Baldwin, the producer is
>  Michael Corrente.


  That should be Alec Baldwin

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 00:23:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: in a movie

In a message dated 97-11-02 00:20:38 EST, you write:

<< >      Movie is "Outside Providence"  Starring  Eric Baldwin, the producer
is
 >  Michael Corrente.
 
 
   That should be Alec Baldwin >>

Hey with as many Baldwins as there are in the movies, maybe 
there is an Eric doing it now too.......lol....:-)

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:47:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

About 5500rpm in fourth on a muncie 4spd red line i can pull about 170

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:54:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

When you have the 35 years of experience  working cars talk as much trash as
you want the engine is not all stock the came ias cutum ground in my shop to
my spec's crank saft to basicly it s olds 307 with nothing but my custum made
parts the 307 produces  489hp with 2 Nos bottles it Kicks up to about 789hp.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:58:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

600 hundred buys the steel . the 3 years time it took to pefect is worth
about another 70,000.00 All wok is cutum and done in my personal shop meaning
not open to anybody

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 02:59:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 307 performance

its realy true but all wor is extremly custum i would not attempt to do it if
you don't have the proper machines

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:01:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sure, it is... (Was Re: Split Fire)

Rocker arms was a typo i hope for my friends case

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:01:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 307 performance

it's olds block the rest is my creation

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 03:59:04 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aussie Olds

In a message dated 97-11-01 19:57:41 EST, you write:

<< hris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
 *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
  >>
auusie?? who is that?? my sis lives in sydney
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:03:27 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: in a movie

In a message dated 97-11-01 21:20:12 EST, you write:

<<    Movie is "Outside Providence"  Starring  Eric Baldwin, the producer is
 Michael Corrente.
    My 71 Vista Cruiser and 72 Toronado were used today, my 71 Supreme Conv
and
 71 Vista Cruiser will be used Monday  at Foxboro Stadium home of the New
 England Patriots for a  "tailgate party" shoot. 
    It was fun today with all the rain, the Vista was the star of todays
shoot
 at an old gas station and it was about the long gas lines of the early 70's.
  >>
cool, ill look out for it, by the way, my JETS spanked yr guys butt a few
weeks ago.....:-]

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 02:08:47 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
> 
> When you have the 35 years of experience  working cars talk as much trash as
> you want the engine is not all stock the came ias cutum ground in my shop to
> my spec's crank saft to basicly it s olds 307 with nothing but my custum made
> parts the 307 produces  489hp with 2 Nos bottles it Kicks up to about 789hp.

TWO BOTTLES ARE BETTER THAN ONE!!!

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:11:08 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

In a message dated 97-11-01 22:40:16 EST, you write:

<< hand.  Amazing.  I would guess this is an extremely reliable engine too,
given
 Toyota's reputation.
 
 Todd Morris
 71 442 >>
all well and good, its still in one of the dullest car lines in the world.
all toyotas are BORING!!!!!!!!!
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 04:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Blower Question

Hi Greg,

> Today in the junqueyarde I noticed that some of these cars have a blower 
> motor with a hole in the side of the housing that has a rubber tube 
> leading from it to the heater case. Others don't. Didn't seem to have 
> much to do with the year of the car. What does this do? Cool the motor? 
> Why do some have it and others not?

Fan motors for A/C models have the rubber hose, which serves, as you
guessed, to direct air for cooling purposes.  The motor itself is also a
bit larger than a non-A/C unit, so one was installed in your Delta 88 as
an upgrade.  Sorry to hear you haven't found the source of the water leak;
I didn't realize a non-A/C arrangement was so different. 

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 05:56:22 -0500
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: nonolds help

good morning all,
I am looking for a 41 chevrolet 2 door coupe. I want one for my father. 
The car does not have to run, but does need to be reasonably complete. 
This I think was his first car and something he has wanted for a long
time. I did find a few restored but they were 10,000 plus, I do not have
that kind of cash. Also if anyone knows of a link to a page for this
sort of search please share it with the group and me. Sorry for the
non-Olds content but you guys are always there to help. 
Have a great Sunday,
Reg
69 Toronado and Dawg

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 05:56:23 EST
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

>The 425 would be correct; is it a 2-barrel or 4-barrel carb engine?
>High-compression or low-compression?



   It is a 2 bbl. but how do you tell if it is Hi comp or Low

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 06:19:37 -0500
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: [Fwd: nonolds help]

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 05:56:22 -0500
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Reply-To: jgoble@nishanet.com
Organization: Rgo Inc. 
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

good morning all,
I am looking for a 41 chevrolet 2 door coupe. I want one for my father. 
The car does not have to run, but does need to be reasonably complete. 
This I think was his first car and something he has wanted for a long
time. I did find a few restored but they were 10,000 plus, I do not have
that kind of cash. Also if anyone knows of a link to a page for this
sort of search please share it with the group and me. Sorry for the
non-Olds content but you guys are always there to help. 
Have a great Sunday,
Reg
69 Toronado and Dawg

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:13:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Trans Swap

Not on the list (yet), so reply directly if you can help.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Clarence R. Isaacks II" <"ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net">
Subject: trans swapp

It's winter time.  Time for the indoor projects.  
I would like to know if my math is correct in figuring out differential
ratios.  I currently have a 2.53 set of gears in my 72 Vista Cruiser and
would like to change the gears and Transmission.  

The transmission will be a 200-R4 and I think the OD ratio is .67.  If
this is correct then if I install a 4.11 ring & pinion would the final
ratio be 2.51?

Next question, I asked before,  in the old OLDS FAQ someone stated that
they had done the transmission swap(200-R4) and had all information for
the work done.  Does anyone know who this was and how to get in touch
with this person?  I know where to get the transmission and conversion
kit but any info from someone who has done this project will speed up
the conversion process.  

Thanks 
C. R. Isaacks II
E-Mail ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:20:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Radiators was Re: Whats out there?

I know that the 4-core rads used on the A-bodies in '68-'72 at least 
needed wider mounting brackets at the bottom and on the shroud at the 
top. I don't know if there was a difference between the brackets used for 
2-row vs. 3-row jobs though. I recall seeing a car a while back that the 
owner had upgraded to a 4-core, and the rad shroud at the top wouldn't 
fit correctly since it was the one for the narrower unit that it had 
originally. Unfortunately you just can't adapt the rubber cushions to fit 
on the top piece, since the metal stamping itself is different.

Regardless, I would be wary of buying a used radiator unless I knew it's 
history. Heck, I have enough trouble with the things when they're new! 
Lots of potential for clogging, leaks, etc., if it's been either in use 
or sitting around for a while.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:14:21 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: G'day Daniel!!

> 
> I don't think you're weird!!!
> 
> I turned 16 in 1973, and a 1973 Custom Cruiser wagon was the car I learned
> to drive on!  I have very fond memories of that beast, and I have an ad for
> 1973 Olds station wagons hanging on my office wall.  Ours was two-tone red
> with a white top, had a luggage rack and a lot of other bells and whistles
> (cruise control, AM/FM stereo, power windows and locks, electric retracting
> tailgate, electric rear window defogger, which was still a fairly new thing
> at the time, etc.).  My dad kept it for three years before trading it on an
> even bigger beast, a '76 Cadillac Sedan de Ville with the 500 cube engine.
> 
> I don't have any info on specs, and the only strong memory I have of the
> car was when I had it at college for about 6 weeks in 1975.  It chewed
> gasoline SO rapidly that it was unbelievable.  The gas gauge would move
> from "F" to "E" as rapidly as the speedometer would move from 0 to 60.  Ten
> miles per gallon was considered good.
> 
> I'd jump on one, too, if I came across it now.  The problem is that station
> wagons tended to get driven, not preserved, so the samples that remain tend
> to look their age.  But I still see the occasional '71-'76 era Custom
> Cruisers, with their clamshell tailgates, going down the highway.  They're
> usually rusted to hell, have no hubcaps, sag severely on one side, and have
> at least one bumper made out of wood, but they're still in service.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Dan
> 
> *********************************************
> Dan Gulino
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html

Thanks for responding to my mail about 73 Olds Custom Cruisers. I sure
do envy you - getting to drive one at 16!!! I'll bet yours did have bad
fuel economy - I know what it's like because my Buick has a 455 under
the bonnet. 10mpg is good!! We work in kilometres per litre here in
Australia but it's okay because I've caught up on all the old Imperial
measures.

Anyway mate, good on ya' for writin' back!! I really love American cars
so this mailing list is bloody great news! If there's anything you want
to know about Aussie muscle cars, just ask!

Hooroo!!! 
> *********************************************

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:31:51 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: G'day Daniel!!

Dustin Cross wrote:
> 
> good to hear Old's & Buicks are loved everywhere!!   do you call all
> vehicles "utes" or is that just for the ones that are cars w/ pickup
> beds?
> 
> nothing wrong with liking wagons, I own a '68 olds cutlass wagon
> currently it has 350, t350, posi  I'm trying to buy a parts car so I can
> change it to 455,t400,posi while adding AC and disc brakes
> 
> Dustin
> 
Thanks for writin' back so soon Justin!! I'll set the story straight for
ya'!! In Australia, any vehicle that you guys would call a pickup, we
call a ute. That's all there is to it. A car is a car and wagon is a
wagon. Some of us use the word 'pickup' but usually only when we're
talkin' about some chick we like!!

Popular Australian utes (or should I say 'pickups') are the Holden
Commodore ute and the Ford Falcon Longreach ute. The Commodore comes
with a choice of a 3.8 litre V6 (choice of supercharger on the six), 5.0
litre V8 or just out, the 5.7 litre V8 (chev transplant), while the
Falcon ute comes with a 4.0 litre in-line six, or 5.0 litre V8. It just
depends on how much muscle you want. They are true aussie icons and are
loved by all down under.  The models and engines go back to the 1940's
so I wont go through them all now 'cause I'll be here forever!!

I really love the Dodge RAM pickups and those big chevys too!! I wish we
had utes as big as that here!!! Our city roads are smaller though so
we'd have trouble getting them around!! It doesn't stop us though. I
drive a 1973 Buick Electra and I've had some tight squeezes in that I
can tell ya!! Anyway mate, if you want to know anything at all about
aussie muscle cars (old & new), just give us a yell!

Good on ya!!

Glen (1973 Buick Electra Limited 455)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:42:36 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: Chris Brown.....

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> =========
> I know you're new to the list, there, so will cut you some slack, but Olds
> never made a 454 cid motor. There might have been some other division with a
> 454, but Olds' comparable motor was the 455. That's dern near blasphemy to
> refer to an Olds motor my some other maker's name/ size. ;-)
> 
> Always a notch better... When others had a 327, Olds had a 330; others had a
> 400 small block, Olds had a 403; not 454, but 455 in the Olds car. Not just a
> 350, but a 350 *Rocket*.
> 
> As for the side the steering wheel's on, do they really insist you convert?
> Sheesh, here, it's OK s'far as I know, to drive your Rolls or whatever, mail
> Jeep, etc., w/ RHDrive. No need to have the driver in the left seat. Shoot, why
> not make the center of the front the driver's position?
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

Whoa!! Back the truck up for a second!! I know very well that Oldsmobile
used a 455 in their cars. I said that this particular Olds wagon had a
454 in it (or so the magazine story said). Relax mate!! I have a 1973
Buick Electra with a 455 under the hood and she really is my pride and
joy. It's currently undergoing some resto work so I'm missing it at the
moment!! By the way, we are allowed to drive LHD in Australia but so
long as the car is 25 years or older. That's for New South Wales anyway
- - the rule changes from state to state.

I was just after some info about '73 Olds Custom Cruisers so if you
anything about them, let me know. What's the difference between a Custom
Cruiser and a Vista Cruiser??

Thanks Chris!

Glen (1973 Buick Electra Limited 455)
     (1958 Buick Roadmaster 364)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 08:52:48 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: nonolds help

There is a web site called "Trader Online." You can look up what ever kind of
car you are looking for! The address for it is:

http://www.traderonline.com

Look for something that says collector cars or collector car search.
Hope that this helps!

Jim

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:48:45 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: Re: Aussie Olds

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-11-01 19:57:41 EST, you write:
> 
> << hris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
>  *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>   >>
> auusie?? who is that?? my sis lives in sydney
> Bernie

G'day Bernie!!

My name is Glen - I'm the 'Aussie Olds' fan! I've been scratchin' around
for a 1973 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser but I've come up with stuff all.  I
live in Sydney too by coincidence in a suburb called Kingsgrove (not to
be confused with Kings Cross, Sydney's night spot). I actually own a
1973 Buick Electra currently. I've just had the 455 rebuilt (standard
spec) and it's currently undergoing major body surgery.

Thanks for droppin' a line mate! Say G'day to all those Olds fans for
me!

Glen (1973 Buick Electra Limited 455)
     (1958 Buick Roadmaster 364)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:23:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: nonolds help

In a message dated 97-11-02 05:58:02 EST, you write:

<< Also if anyone knows of a link to a page for this
 sort of search please share it with the group and me. Sorry for the
 non-Olds content but you guys are always there to help. 
 Have a great Sunday, >>
Try www.classifieds2000.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 10:25:48 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: exhaust interchange

Mikey tvb wrote:
> 
> i was wondering if a set of 1970 442 tailpipes would fit on a 1973 cutlass.  i
> have seen kits like flowmaster's that says their tailpipes will fit a 67-76 GM
> a-body.  also edelbrock sells the same kit and it says 64-74 GM a-body.
> origonal parts group sells 70 chevelle dual exhaust tailpipes for around $25
> each.  i know the style of pipe is a little different, but all i need is a set
> of tailpipes.  all i care about is that they fit.
> 
> mikey tvb@aol.com
> 73 cutlass w/403

Just go to an exhaust shop and have some bent. I wouldn't recommend
Kennedy's in Blissfield, MI, though. Their work is terrible!!! Trust
me!!

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 07:41:46 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

>Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
 When you have the 35 years of experience  working cars talk as much 
trash as you want the engine is not all stock the came ias cutum ground 
in my shop to my spec's crank saft to basicly it s olds 307 with nothing 
but my custum made parts the 307 produces  489hp with 2 Nos bottles it 
Kicks up to about 789hp.

Ah...now it makes sense...2 bottles, 489 hp with one bottle, 789 with 2 
on...

	Sorry man, I just don't believe it...

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 09:58:55 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

Sorry, I have to agree, I still have a hard time believing that one 
myself. I have seen some good engine inovations, but that engine 
must be made of diamonds or something to handle that kind of HP, not 
to mention a transmission that could handle an atomic bomb blast. :)


 >  
> > the 307 imy frine has rides about 2 inchs off teh gtroung also the little 307
> > packs a 489 horse power punch before nos and 789 after nos
> > ======================
> If you can get 489 out of a 307, that means a 455 should be good for
> about 700 *before* Nitrous!  
> How could you possibly get that kind of ponies out of a 307? (Pull it
> outta yer *ss?)
> Trick sparkplugs and Wynn's "Tune-up In A Can" can only do so much! 
> 
> S.D.W.
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 97 11:25:51 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442

At 04:22 AM 11/2/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Well I finally got to look at the 442 be hind the tranny shop here.  It has
 BTW the motor was out.

 <snip>

>He says he has it in the garage waiting to rebuild it. I dont know much
>about the 68 442's but I thought he aid it was a 455. I dont know. Did the
>442's in 68 have 455's?

  That would have been the 400ci. used in the '68 and '69 4-4-2 unless it
was the Hurst Olds which would have had the 455ci.

>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 Nov 1997 10:36:09 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: What's a Parts Car Worth?

 Greg,

Possibly $500 CDN, but not US.  With the condition & parts missing, $200-300
would be plenty.  Individual parts would be much more, but hte yarde owner
knows that too.  He usually won't want to wait on the next buyer & would
sell to the "bird in the hand" at a right price.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>
>My friend Brian and I went junkyarding today. Some good finds, the most
>interesting of which was a '72 Vista Cruiser. It was in pretty rough
>shape -- floor gone, roof starting to rot, etc. -- but had some
>interesting things on there still, not the least of which was a totally
>unmolested 455 with G heads. Even the carb still looked good. The yard
>owner said it ran when junked.
>
    Snip
>
>What would a car like that go for? I was thinking $500 or so. Opinions?
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:15:45 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> 
> Sorry, I have to agree, I still have a hard time believing that one
> myself. I have seen some good engine inovations, but that engine
> must be made of diamonds or something to handle that kind of HP, not
> to mention a transmission that could handle an atomic bomb blast. :)

That's a good point.  Regarding the horsepower rating of your engine, I'm
in no place to tell you you're wrong...but seriously, assuming your 307
does make that kind of power, what transmission are you using?  Is it
possible to build a THM-400 to take that kind of abuse?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 11:56:30
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: G'day Daniel!!

At 12:14 PM 11/2/1997 -0800, you wrote:


>Anyway mate, good on ya' for writin' back!! I really love American cars
>so this mailing list is bloody great news! If there's anything you want
>to know about Aussie muscle cars, just ask!

So what is an example of an Aussie muscle car?



Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:25:35 -0600
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.net>
Subject: Re:wanted '69 auto console and shifter

well the turbo 400 has been swapped in for the demolished 4 spd, all I
need to get on the road is a shifter and console.  If anyone has one
they would part with, preferably in metro detoit area, let me know

patrickd@wwnet.com
'69 442 conv.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:30:43 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Amsoil

well i hate to burst your bubble,but i tried it back in 85 in my monty carlo
(350 eng.) the motor was a  screamer  and oil pressure was good.  then a
friend who was a dealer for amsoil turned me on to it and all it would do for
me.  so i tried it and was i surprised!            ZERO  OIL PRESSURE,  NONE,
  ENG. RAN LIKE CRAP!    others i talked to had same experience.  once i
changed out the amsoil my oil pressure went back to normal.   maybe they have
improved it since then,  but i wasn`t impressed!  my 02 cents.
                    steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:42:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

In a message dated 97-11-02 03:44:44 EST, you write:

<< Todd Morris writes:
 >The other interesting tidbit, they said the cost
 >of manufacture had fallen from $600 to $450 for this motor.
 >Apparently that is
 >VERY significant cost savings in the automobile world.
 
 Let's see, $250.00 per car saved, I don't know worldwide yearly 
 production for the Corolla, I will guess at 250,000. 250,000 * $250.00 = 
 $ 62,500,000.00...
 
 Yep, that is significant in my book!
  >>

UH,.....$250??

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 12:43:24 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: G'day Daniel!!

> Anyway mate, good on ya' for writin' back!! I really love American cars
> so this mailing list is bloody great news! If there's anything you want
> to know about Aussie muscle cars, just ask!


What would be considered muscle cars  down under?  How do they compare
to what we had/have available here in the US?  Just trying to broaden my
knowledge base a little.  Nice to find out what goes on elsewhere.  

To sunny, pleasant days (in about five months)and a top down
convertible..... 

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:45:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

 
 Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > When you have the 35 years of experience  working cars talk as much trash
as
 > you want the engine is not all stock the came ias cutum ground in my shop
to
 > my spec's crank saft to basicly it s olds 307 with nothing but my custum
made
 > parts the 307 produces  489hp with 2 Nos bottles it Kicks up to about
789hp.
 
livnrt@mssl.uswest.net (Dustin Cross) wrote:

 TWO BOTTLES ARE BETTER THAN ONE!!!
  >>

Only if your drinking as much as Olds307 was when he wrote this......

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:48:59 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: exhaust interchange

In a message dated 97-11-01 15:37:19 EST, you write:

<< i was wondering if a set of 1970 442 tailpipes would fit on a 1973
cutlass.  i
 have seen kits like flowmaster's that says their tailpipes will fit a 67-76
GM
 a-body.  also edelbrock sells the same kit and it says 64-74 GM a-body.
 origonal parts group sells 70 chevelle dual exhaust tailpipes for around $25
 each.  i know the style of pipe is a little different, but all i need is a
set
 of tailpipes.  all i care about is that they fit.
  >>

I've got the flowmaste 2.5" exhuast on my 73.. flows really well, but I'm
having new tailpipes bent by an exhuast shop.  The flomaster tailpipes don't
fit very well, rub on the coil  springs, and rattle a lot.  Plus, they point
straight out, and my bumper's getting a lot of pits from the exhuast thats
building up on it.  

DrkSole

73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Detla 88 Custom

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:52:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

 
 Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
 > 
 > When you have the 35 years of experience  working cars talk as much trash
as
 > you want the engine is not all stock the came ias cutum ground in my shop
to
 > my spec's crank saft to basicly it s olds 307 with nothing but my custum
made
 > parts the 307 produces  489hp with 2 Nos bottles it Kicks up to about
789hp.
 
livnrt@mssl.uswest.net (Dustin Cross) wrote:

 TWO BOTTLES ARE BETTER THAN ONE!!!
  >>

Only if your drinking as much as Olds307 was when he wrote this......

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 12:59:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Trans Swap

In a message dated 97-11-02 07:12:03 EST, you write:

<< The transmission will be a 200-R4 and I think the OD ratio is .67.  If
 this is correct then if I install a 4.11 ring & pinion would the final
 ratio be 2.51?
  >>
4..11 times .67 comes out to 2.76

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:11:28 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Olds307Y@aol.com wrote:
> 
> About 5500rpm in fourth on a muncie 4spd red line i can pull about 170

Ooohhh, now we're getting ~somewhere~
Now that we now you're turning 5500rpm at 160mph, tell us:
the rearend ratio
the tire size
what the gear ratios in the tranny are 

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:26:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 307 performance

Hey Olds Fans This is the real owner of Olds307Y. Sopmone who knew me got a
hold of my password and tried to make me look like a fol but te only fool now
is teh kind that did it because of the great pain he is feeling right now. I
and you know there is no way possible to get a 307 to produce 489 horse the
highest horse rating i heard so far is 300horse with about 400 with nos. I
have only had a couple of chances to kick rustang ass but that was with the
2.3 turbo versions the V8 are one of the quickest out there. So if you see
anything else about the Mysterious 307 with 489 ignore it. 
later gots to go see if the guy finished my trans yet.
put the pedal to the floor And blow your doors off.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:28:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: [none]

- -02 03:38:11 EST, you write:

<< > Washington state I don't know if this will be possible.  Did Olds make
an
 > engine bigger than the 307 during '84-present.  I don't think I'll be
 
 If you're in Eastern WA, give me a holler!  No, the 307 is the biggest
 gasoline engine that Olds made during that time frame.
  >>
Did any of the 442 option cars have 350's??

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 13:33:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: [none]

ted 97-11-02 07:12:03 EST, you write:

<<  I currently have a 2.53 set of gears in my 72 Vista Cruiser and
 would like to change the gears and Transmission.  
 
 The transmission will be a 200-R4 and I think the OD ratio is .67.  If
 this is correct then if I install a 4.11 ring & pinion would the final
 ratio be 2.51? >>

Unless someone makes a ring and pinion for that series carrier
that would give you 4.11 I think you would have to completely 
change the rear end.  I think the most ring and pinion out there
for the 2 series is the Super America ( or whatever they are called)
3.50 ratio

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 13:36:54 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Only if your drinking as much as Olds307 was when he wrote this......

Is all this really necessary?  Nobody here knows this guy...who are we to
tell him that he can't get 489 hp out of a natrually-aspirated 307?  Some
mechanics can vitrually perform magic when it comes to building race
engines.  Sure, it does sound like a tall-tale; sure it is pretty
unbelievable that an 83 Cutlass (with any engine) would out-run a Mustang
5.0; sure it all sounds like a fairy tale, but none of us knows the facts. 
If we knew that he was lying, fine, but we don't know...all we know it that
he has said that he has a 500 horse 307 V8.  I think that we need to back
down and accept that it might just be possible that someone could eek out
that kind of power.  Just my $0.02... 
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:04:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: 489 HP 307?

No a 4spd Muncie no aotu's involved

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:23:24 -0500 (EST)
From: RCL455@aol.com
Subject: Re: What to do?

In a message dated 97-11-02 12:37:41 EST, you write:

<< Emissions testing in WA state is every other year (even years for even
year
 cars, odd for odd), and it has to pass emissions before you can register it
 in WA and before a title can be transferred.  Good news is that emissions
 testing is closed hood.  They don't open the hood to look inside (they put
 this microphone thing on the hood to tell the RPM's), and they don't check
 underneath for the presence of a cat.  If you can meet the requirements,
they
 don't care how you did it, as it should be IMHO. >>


Right and wrong.  They DO open hoods on the newer cars and on the older ones
if they fail to pass the test!! Eastern WA is worse than CA cause we cant
even put afternarket components on our cars, if it wasnt on there stock it's
ILLEGAL.  CROME valve covers are illegal.  The only way around Eastern WA
immisions is to own a pre immision car.  I have a 66 Buick Skylark and they
can kiss my ass!!! , ROB from Spokane

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 14:40:46 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 Exhaust

Hi,
    Thanks for the reply. What I meant was do the mufflers look stock and are
there any extra brackets welded to the mufflers that you don't use and do the
tail pipes line up properly out the back?.      Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 16:06:17 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Vista vs. Custom Cruiser (Was:Re: Chris Brown.....)

camenz wrote:
> 
> I was just after some info about '73 Olds Custom Cruisers so if you
> anything about them, let me know. What's the difference between a Custom
> Cruiser and a Vista Cruiser??

The Vista Cruiser was based on the midsize cutlass, the Custom Cruser
was based on one of the bigger cars.  (88 or 98, I'm not sure)  It's a
cutlass station wagon with a large sunroof (It's about 4.5 feet by 12
inches, and it doesn't open.) that is mounted over the *rear* seats. 
The rear windows are extra large and wrap into the roof of the car. 
It's named for the windows, Vista(as in view) Cruiser.  It's much
smaller than a Custom Cruiser, it's only about 18.5 feet long and holds
8 passengers.  (I think the Custom Cruiser is about 21 feet and 9
passengers.) It's amazing how a Vista Cruiser really looks like a tank
untill you park it next to a Custom Cruiser, then it looks downright
puny. :)    I think the first year for the Vista Cruiser was 1964, the
last year for the sunroof and window treatment was 1972, and the last
year for the model line was circa 1977.  The sunroof really set the
wagon off and added a lot of character.  It just wasn't the same after
1972 when they had just the plain 'ol flat roof.  I'm not sure what
motors could be had with them in the early years, but I think they were
standard with a V-8 from 1966-1972, either 350 or 330 depending on the
year, and sometime after `66 there was a 400 option and somewhere around
1970 there was a 455 option.

They're beautiful cars, better looking than the Custom Cruiser IMHO.  In
fact I'd go so far as to say you won't find a better looking station
wagon from that era.  The only station wagons I can think of that look
better are the old "woodys" from the prewar days.  They're also exellent
road cars, as were most Oldmobiles of that era.  I can personally attest
that a stock Vista Cruiser is capable of being comfortably driven at
speeds well in exess of 100mph.   (Well, I was comfortable.  Someone
with a higher IQ may not be. :)

If you want to see a picture, Lisa Madsen has one of her Vista Cruiser
posted at http://www.442.com/lisa.html

If you'd like to see a side view of one let me know and I'll email you a
snapshot of mine.  The picture is about a 30K attatchment.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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