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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, December 3 1997     Volume 01 : Number 987



Re: Heater/AC control switch
Re[3]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
Re: "GM BLOOD"
Re: Rearenz
Re[2]: Rearenz
hi i have major brake problems withmy cultass 88 supreme
Re: Rearenz
Re: '84 Signal Stalk
RE: Rearenz
Re: 85 442
Re: Cruise Control/Windshield Wiper lever
Re: POR 15
Top 25
Re: $250 D88
Re: 1986 Salon info.....
RE: POR 15
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???
Re: 1986 Salon info.....
The Jerk
Re: 85 442
Re: carpet
Re: plug gap....and then some..........
Axle VIN
Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale
Where are you?
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Olds History Center Address
a/c and p/s hoses
Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale
Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)
Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??
Rapidfire Plugs
Re: carpet
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: Rapidfire Plugs
Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
engine similarities Question
International Show Car Association
Re: 9 sec '64 442
Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: International Show Car Association
Re: Rapidfire Plugs
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??
customer relations
Re: 85 442
Re: off-idle stumble

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:49:44 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Heater/AC control switch

Vince,
I'm having the same problem with my 70 Cutlass. I don't know what to do
either, but were in the same boat anyway.
Eric Phillips,
babbott@pdnt.com

- ----------
> From: knightvd@norand.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Heater/AC control switch
> Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 6:28 AM
>
>      Recently a vacuum leak has occurred in the heater/AC control switch
in
>      the dash in my 71 Cutlass.  The hissing starts when the temp control

>      is moved from the cold position.  I checked for broken or
disconnected
>      hoses, but found nothing.  I've never had one of these out.  Any
tips?
>      Are they repairable?
>
>      If I need a replacement does anyone know of a source besides the
junkyard?
>
>      Thanks
>
>      Vince Knight
>
>      71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 12:22:58 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re[3]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

- ---"padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM> wrote:
      Thought about contacting Hurst/Mr. Gasket directly?  They still
      offer the rebuilding service, so they should be able to identify
      them.

!!!!!
Good idea! I guess I missed the forest for the trees on this one!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:38:27 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

When someone asks, what kind of car do you own???  I allways respond
 "OLDSMOBILE"
Previous letters have pointed out the dif between OLDS and chevy,  therefore,
I never call my car, a "gm", its an OLDS ROCKET!!!  When its yr car do what
you plz... but if i dont see an olds v-8 where it bolongs, I immediately lose
interest in the car.
Happy Oldsmodays
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:47:48 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

- -----Original Message-----
From: Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: Rearenz


>Mike,
> I think the Olds axles/diff are referred to as type "O" which
>are press fit and retained by a plate, and chevy types are referred
to
>as type "C" axles/diff, which are retained by C-clips. That's what my
>chassis manual says. Common mistake...?:}
Doh! Sorry; you're right, I knew that. I still think it must be a
chevy axle though. If it was an Olds, it's hard to believe that all 4
nuts came off at once, without some kind of warning.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 15:16:02 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Rearenz

Erik Nowacki asked:

Question:  How are the axles retained on an Olds and what would cause an
axle to wander out like this?

     Erik,

     The Type O rear end uses an axle retainer plate at the outboard end of
     the axle shaft.  Basically, this is a square steel plate with a hole
     in the center slightly smaller than the outer race of the axle
     bearing.  This plate slides onto the axle shaft, then the bearing is
     pressed on over it.  The press fit of the bearing actually retains the
     plate, and thus the shaft in the housing.  The retainer plate itself
     is bolted to the rear end housing using the same four bolts which
     mount the brake backing plate.

     ASCII art:
                                                 ____Bearing
                                                |
                                            |   |       ||
                                            |   |       ||
                                            |   |       ||
            Rearend Housing                 |   V       ||
                  _________________________||  ___  ||  ||
                                              |   | ||  ||
                    __________________________|   |_||_/ |
                   ()      Axle Shaft         |   | ||   |
                   (__________________________|   |_||_  | <--Axle
                                              |   | || \ |    Flange
                 ___________________________  |___| ||  ||
                                           ||       ||  ||
                                            |           ||
            Backing Plate ----------------->|        A  ||
                                            |        |  ||
                                            |        |  ||
                                                     |_____Retainer Plate

     It sure sounds to me like they did not properly install the bearing,
     as I think it is unlikely that the bolts holding the retainer plate on
     fell out (though this should be pretty easy to see - either the
     bearing is still pressed on the shaft or it isn't!).  I don't have the
     manual in front of me, but isn't there a retaining ring which is
     pressed on the shaft inboard of the bearing?  Is it possible that this
     ring was left off?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:51:14 -0500
From: "Steven E. Hicks" <DONGAN@compuserve.com>
Subject: hi i have major brake problems withmy cultass 88 supreme

Hi my name is john hicks owner of a 1988 olds mobile and this car has bake
brake trouble all the time, calibers lockup do to rust and stuff off the
road. please help me extend the life of brakes thanks john hicks

johnchicks@compuserve.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 15:22:46 -0600
From: "Paul L. Brillhart" <PBRILL1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

Padavano.Joe wrote:

>      Erik,
>
>      The Type O rear end uses an axle retainer plate at the outboard
> end of
>      the axle shaft.  Basically, this is a square steel plate with a
> hole
>      in the center slightly smaller than the outer race of the axle
>      bearing.  This plate slides onto the axle shaft, then the bearing
> is
>      pressed on over it.  The press fit of the bearing actually
> retains the
>      plate, and thus the shaft in the housing.  The retainer plate
> itself
>      is bolted to the rear end housing using the same four bolts which
>
>      mount the brake backing plate.
>
>      ASCII art:
>                                                  ____Bearing
>                                                 |
>                                             |   |       ||
>                                             |   |       ||
>                                             |   |       ||
>             Rearend Housing                 |   V       ||
>                   _________________________||  ___  ||  ||
>                                               |   | ||  ||
>                     __________________________|   |_||_/ |
>                    ()      Axle Shaft         |   | ||   |
>                    (__________________________|   |_||_  | <--Axle
>                                               |   | || \ |    Flange
>                  ___________________________  |___| ||  ||
>                                            ||       ||  ||
>                                             |           ||
>             Backing Plate ----------------->|        A  ||
>                                             |        |  ||
>                                             |        |  ||
>                                                      |_____Retainer
> Plate
>
>
>
>

   Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but this is the same way that
Ford 8 and 9" axles are attached.  I've had both in '69 Mustangs and
never had a problem with either.  (I had a mild small block with the 8"
though, no moster torque to twist or scatter anything.)  If you're just
doing street racing, the 9" is overkill unless you're pushing over 400
HP and/or nitrous.  Use the 12 bolt Chevy you've already gotand get a
set of C-Clip Eliminators from Strange Engineering in Evanston, IL.
I've seen them advertised in either Jegs or Summit.  They cost around
$100.  Later.


Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:26:53 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: '84 Signal Stalk

This summer I had a new stalk put on mine since the wiring shorted out
inside.  I didn't do it, but I watched while the mechanic did (and I also
play a Doctor on TV).  The wiring doesn't come off of the stalk, you buy a
whole new stalk with wiring, about $90 from GM.  The new ones aren't chrome
either, they're black :-(  I guess they had problems with the chrome peeling
off so GM solved it by removing the chrome.  The wiring disconnects down
above the brake pedal, tie a pull string to the wire, pull the stalk out of
the steering column (I couldn't see what he did to get it out, but it didn't
involve disassembling the column or removing the wheel), move pull string to
new wire/stalk and pull back through.  Took him about 15 minutes total, but
he specializes in cruise control and A/C repairs so he knew what he was
doing.

Or... if the stalk is just broken off you can do like I did on my '78
beater.  It's just a plain lever though, nothing on it.  I went to signal
and it came off in my hand one day.  Further inspection looks like it was
super-glued in the hole on a previous repair.  Clean out hole, and a little
bit of JB-Weld later and that thing's never coming off again.

Luis Chevere wrote:

> I have an 84 Cutlass Supreme.  My cruise control and windshield wiper
> broke and is hanging by wire which is left mounted to the steering wheel
> .  How can I replace this?  Do I have to get a complete steering wheel
> component?  Any help, if so e-mail direct.  I can't drive to long
> without windshield wipers.
>
> lchevere@hotmail.com
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:31:39 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rearenz

> ----------
> From: M&D Gillespie[SMTP:mgillespie@sprynet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 3:47 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rearenz
>
>
> >Mike,
> > I think the Olds axles/diff are referred to as type "O" which
> >are press fit and retained by a plate, and chevy types are referred
> to
> >as type "C" axles/diff, which are retained by C-clips. That's what my
> >chassis manual says. Common mistake...?:}
> Doh! Sorry; you're right, I knew that. I still think it must be a
> chevy axle though. If it was an Olds, it's hard to believe that all 4
> nuts came off at once, without some kind of warning.
>
I agree without a doubt.

> Fernando Proietto
> A. Manager
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St.
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:30:38 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 85 442

Try writing to the Olds History center.  Their address is on www.442.com.  Give
them your car information and VIN and ask for any info they can provide you.  I
did for my '84 H/O and they sent back a letter saying it was ª2118 of 3500 as
well a press release photo and some other information.  For free!

m-hanneman@onu.edu wrote:

> I have a 1985 442.  I have not been able to find a production number for
> this year.  I have been told it is somewhere around 2,500 and 3,000.  There
> is some information on the 86 and 87 models, but an extremely limited
> amount of info on the 85.  Can anyone give me an excact number?
>
> Matt



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:32:53 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Cruise Control/Windshield Wiper lever

> I have an 84 Cutlass Supreme.  My left mounted to the
> steering wheel cruise control and windshield wiper broke
> and is hanging by wire.  How can I replace this?  Do I
> have to get a complete steering wheel component?
> Any help, if so e-mail direct.  I can't drive to long
> without windshield wipers.

(Posted and mailed)

I have done this surgery numerous times, though not on
your specific model, so this is necessarily a bit generalized.

If the entire lever broke and is literally hanging by the wires,
you'll need to pull the steering wheel to replace it properly.
Get your replacement part first to see how it attaches,
what the electrical connectors to hunt for look like, etc.

You will need a service manual, some patience, and two
special tools: a steering wheel puller and a lock plate
compressor.

If you don't have a Cutlass service manual, try the local
library. The steering column assembly is a common design
and practically any recent GM-detail manual will be helpful.

Sears makes a good combination harmonic balancer/steering
wheel puller. Bought mine a long time ago for what I think was
less than $25.

The lock plate compressor is used to press down on the
lock plate in order to remove the locking circlip from the
steering shaft, after which you can remove the locking
plate and pieces underneath which will allow you to get
the broken wiper lever assembly out. You'll need to unplug
pieces of wiring harness in various locations. You can find
a lock plate compressor at any good auto parts store.

Be sure to disconnect the battery before starting; the horn
circuit runs through the middle of all this stuff.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:33:38 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: POR 15

Nail polish remover is acetone.  I wonder if this means you can use acetone
to thin POR 15 and/or clean your brushes off?

> I had some on me the other day when I was painting my floorpan and it was
> on for a few days when I decided to try nail polish remover.  Stuff came

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:38:56 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Top 25

I just picked up the Jan 98 Car Craft out of the mail.  It's got a top
25 Hottest New Parts Guide for '98 in it.  It's got like Edelbrock's
Super Victor 454 intake, and a bunch of other parts that are for the
most part improvement or new offerings by different companies.  How
could they leave out the new BB Olds Heads?  I guess you can't expect
much when all the magazines out there are for the majority set up for
the "other guys".

Jeremy "Squawk 'Em Off" Elder
University of Nebraska, Lincoln
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:42:04 -0600
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: $250 D88

At 09:55 AM 11/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Subject: '70 Olds 88
>
> Hey everybody! A guy at work has a '70 Olds 88 for sale. He's asking $250 and
>--snip--  Fred Kemp
>------------------------------
Okay,Okay!I've been working alot of overtime lately. Sorry I forgot to list a
location,which is:Tulsa,Ok. Also please keep in mind,because of overtime,I
probably won't be able to go and look at the car until after the first of the
year if anyone is interested in a sighted opinion of condition.
Fred Kemp
'67 Cutlass
'67 442

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:59:25 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 1986 Salon info.....

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> This is from the paperwork olds sent me.......
> Olds production for 86  1,199,134 cars and of those,
>
> 9,608 were that series and body style (coupe)
>
> 937 had the CF5 astroroof option      mine is one of them!!!

Where did you get this from, The Oldsmobile History Center?  Is there a
number you called, or a place you mailed your VIN to?  I'd be interested in
trying it myself!  Also, was it free?  Thanks.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 16:27:36 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: POR 15

I had some on me the other day when I was painting my floorpan and it
was
on for a few days when I decided to try nail polish remover.  Stuff came
right off with no effort even.

Tim Rudolph
- --
Hmmm, acetone based? I'll have to try that next spring!
- ----------
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:13:15 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
>      >>
> when I first got my battered, 307 seized, smashed in the rear qtr Salon for
> $100, I called olds for info about my salon (no comp yet) I believe they said
> that in 86 alone, there were only 963 or 943 g-bodies w/t-tops....like
> mine!!!!
>  Also you can get all dealer info for yr car, unless it was made in Canada,
> like mine!!!
> Stuff like fac build sheet, opts for yr car, etc, but only for US made
> cars...according to OLDS.
Bernie,
And you can get this information where?? (GM obviously, but where do you
contact them?

Thanks!
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:24:43 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1986 Salon info.....

>
> Bernie
>
> ps.  is the code FE2 the std suspension, wah mine has it!!!

FE2 is the sport suspension.  Same as the 442.  However, I may be off
here, but I think the springs may be a little different on the 442.  I
can't remember that far back, but when I was checking on springs, I seem
to remember the VIN 9 springs were a different part number to
themselves.  Of course, here again, I'm relying on fogged memory.  I'm
probably wrong, since the 442 wasn't THAT much different from the
Salon.  Well, actually it WAS a Salon.  Except I think in 87 it was a
Supreme body.  Not sure, I'd have to check my old VIN from the 87 442 I
used to have.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:44:21 EST
From: BobH592058 <BobH592058@aol.com>
Subject: The Jerk

Don't get to this list much due to time but I thought this might be of
interest.

Olds content?

I wonder if the guy selling the Camaro is, or is related to, our recent
"guest".

Bob Handren

*****************************

The Jerk.

Author Unkown (For soon to be obvious reasons).

   I was sitting at my desk, when I remembered a phone call I had to make. I
  found the number and dialed it. A man answered nicely saying, " Hello???"

   I politely said, "This is Patrick Hanifin and could I please speak to Robin
  Carter:" Suddenly the phone was slammed down on me. I couldn't believe that
  anyone could be that rude.

   I tracked down Robin's correct number and called her. She had transposed
  the last two digits.

   After I hung up with Robin, I spotted the wrong number still lying there on
  my desk. I decided to call it again. When the same person once more
  answered, I yelled "You're a jerk!" and hung up. Next to his phone number I
  wrote the word "Jerk," and put it in my desk drawer. Every couple of weeks,
  when I was paying bills or had a really bad day, I'd
   call him up. He'd answer, and then I'd yell, "You're a jerk!" It would
  always cheer me up.

   Later in the year the phone company introduced caller ID. This was a real
  disappointment for me, I would have to stop calling the jerk. Then one day I
   had an idea. I dialed his number, then heard his voice, "Hello?"  I made up
  a name. "Hi, this is Herman with the telephone company and I'm just calling
  to see if you're familiar with our caller ID program?" He went, "No!" and
  slammed the phone down. I quickly called him back and said, "That's because
  you're a jerk!"

   And the reason I took the time to tell you this story, is to show you how
  if there is ever anything really bothering you, you can do something about
  it. Just dial 722-4823.

   *************

   The old lady at the mall really took her time pulling out of the parking
  space. I didn't think she was ever going to leave. Finally her car began to
  move and she started to very slowly back out of the stall. I backed up a
  little more to give her plenty of room to pull out. "Great," I thought,
  "she's finally leaving."

   All of a sudden this black Camaro (what else?) came flying up the parking
isle in        the wrong direction and pulls into her space. I started honking
my horn and
  yelling, "You can't just do that, Buddy. I was here first." The guy climbed
  out of his Camaro completely ignoring me. He walked toward the mall as if he
  didn't even hear me.

   I thought to myself, "this guy's a jerk, there's sure a lot of jerks in
  this world." I noticed he had a For Sale sign in the back window of his car.
  I wrote down the number. Then I hunted for another place to park.

   A couple of days later, I'm a home sitting at my desk. I had just gotten
  off the phone after called 722-4823 and yelling "You're a jerk!" (It's
  really easy to call him now since I have his number on speed dial). I
  noticed the phone number of the guy with the black Camaro lying on my desk
  and thought "I'd better call this guy, too.
    I asked, "Is this the man with the black Camaro for sale?"
   "Yes, it is."
   "Can you tell me where I can see it?"
   "Yes, I live at 1802 West 34th Street. It's a yellow house and the car's
  parked right out front."
   I asked, "what's your name?"
   "My name is Don Hansen."
   "When's a good time to catch you, Don?"
   "I'm home in the evenings."
   "Listen, Don, can I tell you something?"
   "Yes."
   "Don, you're a jerk!" And I slammed the phone down. After I hung up I added
  Don Hansen's number to my speed dialer.

   **************

   For a while things seemed to be going better for me. Now, when I had a
  problem, I had two jerks to call. Then after several months of calling the
  jerks and hanging up on them, the whole thing started to seem like an
  obligation. It just wasn't as enjoyable as it used to be.

   I gave the problem some serious thought and came up with a solution.
  First, I had my phone dial Jerk ª1.
   A man answered nicely, "Hello??"
   I yelled, "You're a jerk!" But I didn't hang up.
   The jerk asked, "Are you still there?"
   I said, "Yeah.."
   He said, "Stop calling me."
   I said, "No."
   He asked, "What's your name, Pal?"
   I said, "Don Hansen."
   "Where do you live?"
   "1802 West 34th Street. It's a yellow house and my black Camaro is parked
  out front."
   "I'm coming over right now, Don. You'd better start saying your prayers."
   "Yeah, like I'm really scared, jerk!" I hung up.
   Then I called Jerk ª2.
   He answered, "Hello."
   I said, "Hello, Jerk."
   He said, "If I ever find out who you are..."
   "You'll what?"
   "I'll kick your butt."
   "Well, here's your chance. I'm coming over right now, Jerk!" And I hung up.

   Then I picked up the phone and called the police. I told them a big gang
  fight was going down at 1802 West 34th Street. After that I climbed into my
  car and headed over to 34th Street to watch the whole thing.

   I turned onto 34th Street and parked my car under the shade of a tree half
  a block from Jerk ª2's house. There were two guys fighting out front.
  Suddenly there were about 12 police cars and a helicopter. The police
  wrestled the two men to the ground and took them away.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 17:43:55 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 85 442

> I have a 1985 442.  I have not been able to find a production number for
> this year.  I have been told it is somewhere around 2,500 and 3,000.  There
> is some information on the 86 and 87 models, but an extremely limited
> amount of info on the 85.  Can anyone give me an excact number?
>
I called Oldsmobile in July 1985.  This is what they said...they made
the 442 in limited production runs, a few hundred at a time.  In other
words, several short "batch" runs of the cars.  The line had to be
altered a little to provide the parts bins for the cars, that's why they
made them that way.  Total production figures for 442 of the 1985 year
was 3,000 for the public, but they said there were probably a few more
"PR" cars made and were running around the proving grounds.  Exact
number of those were not disclosed.

Mine was built Feb 5, 1985.  I ordered it the end of Sept. 84.  There
were about 3,300 Olds dealerships at the time, so the 300 lowest selling
dealerships were not slated to receive any.  The remaining dealerships
were supposed to be allotted 1 each, however, some dealerships waived
their allotment, and the bigger dealers snapped them up.  I believe
James Oldsmobile in Charleston, SC, (not James anymore) got 2.  One bare
bones job in Oct., and mine, which I ordered.  As far as talking with
the Gen. Manager there, every 442 in 85 was sold just about as fast as
they were received.  The first one I test drove was white with blue
interior, no power anything or options.  Very rare color.  List base
price?  Somewhere around 10K.  Mine tallied to around 16,200.  I got the
t-tops, which were an OPTION, for those on the list that are confused
about Salon t-tops.  The W-42 option was $1275, but required the 600+
dollar air conditioning.  Later they packaged that together.  In Dec.
84, they had a price increase across the board on all the cars.  Luckily
I had my order sealed at the lower price.

2 cents,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:54:48 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: carpet

>
>         Specialty Olds has been the best for us. It runs about $95.00 and is
> the best I've found. I falls right in and the colors are correct.


How can I get ahold of these guys (one of the few places I've
never heard of).  Would they have a molded carpet set for something as far
back as my '60?  Thanks in advance...

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:07:49 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: plug gap....and then some..........

> im putting a 71 rocket 350 into an 86 cutlass salon....the 71 has the 86 HEI.
>
> what should i gap the plugs at?  .060 or .080 ac delco of course

Go with the wider plug gap if possible, to take advange of the
HEIs hotter spark.  I'm not sure if the 71 plugs are the same as '75+
plugs (as in same type), but if they are, and will fit in the head just
use a plug for a 75 or later car.  They start with a much larger gap (for
the HEI) and will be easier to gap than trying to stretch out the gap on a
plug originally intended for a points distributor.

>
> what about the computer hook up??  ditch it? also im putting in a gm 4 spd
> auto, what about the overdrive?? If i ditch the comp, how do i engage it?

If possible, just keep the computer.  Besides being a "cleaner"
swap (everything where it's supposed to be) it will also make the local
emissions folks happy if thats a concern.  If you do decide to ditch it,
you'll need a new (pre 81) HEI w/the vacuum advance module, and a
non-computer Q-Jet or your choice of aftermarket carb.  As for controlling
the transmission and converter lockup, check a JEGS or Summit catalog for
the stuff needed to make an overdrive trans/non-computer car swap.  They
have a couple kits that allow the converter to lockup when the car is in
overdrive at a stable speed.

Hope this is of some help!  If you have any other Qs, feel free to
ask!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:37:09 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Axle VIN

Hi everyone!  I was looking through some old receipts and found one from
the boneyard where I bought my limited-slip axle.  They guy said it was out
of a 1984 Pontiac Grand Prix.  Here's the VIN: 1G2AK37H3EB230305.

1 - USA
G - GM
2 - Pontiac (right?)
AK37 - 2 doors or 4 doors?  Were there any 4 door GPs?
H - Chevrolet 4bbl. 305 V8
3 - ?
E - 1984 Model Year
B - ?
2303205 - Serial Number

Could anyone answer these questions?  Not a big concern...I was just
wondering what my axle came out of.  Olds content: the axle's in my CSC!

Thanks guys and gals.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:57:52 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
> Yes, clear coat damage.  The '83 and '84 H/O's had a base/clear paint job.
> Neither of them are spectacular by today's standards.  The '83's seem to be
> worse off, probably because they're black and soak up the heat.  I've seen
more > '83's with bad paint than '84's by far. > > If it's a clean, straight
car with not much wear and tear, and no rust, it's > easily worth the asking
price IMHO.  There's an '83 H/O here in town for $2500 > with slight rust, a
TH400 tranny, smoking engine, really sad paint, and many > trim items missing. 
>
 > My paint is starting to get slightly crazed too on the hood.  Sigh.  $600
decal > set here I come.


when I drove by the car today I noticed.....that there is a nice red
stripe that runs around the top of the fender...along the top of the
door....through the top of the quarter panel....hmmmmmmm....perfect
place to tape off the car and paint the top part that has the clear coat
damage...seeing how the bottom half is perfect...not a stone chip...or a
door ding to be found anywhere.....sounds like a plan....Hoagie


1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 "hardtop coupe"
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 17:14:43 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Where are you?

I have been away for a couple of weeks and there is no e-mail from the
group.  Did I miss a call for some action on my part or something?


Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:09:55 -0600
From: "M.Chapman" <chapman1@midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

>
>You keep mentioning "Dealer" for parts....  I am used to my 77 Mustang
>II where even finding a Mustang II in a Junkyard is HARD.. I was TOTALLY
>blown away at being able to find parts for the newer? Cutlasses...  Now,
>I am wondering, how many parts are still availible from GM, and how far
>back can I go???  Like maybe far enough that I can snag a BRAND new set
>of Burlwood interior trim panels?  Or maybe even REPLACE the upper door
>panel on my 87 Cutlass with an (gasp) 87 Cutlass Supreme panel!!!! <G>
>--
>                 Jerry Christopher
>     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______
>

i got my all the parts to the gear shifter handle and the OLDS DEALER and
this is on an 85 cutlass salon(but then again i'm sure they used that for
alot of the years on that generation)
i know i could not get a replacement clock however. the guy there said they
quit making those in 2/92!!

so i guess itjust depends on the part.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:32:40 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Olds History Center Address

Hi all,
          I noticed a few posts asking about the Olds History Center.  I
just happened to have their address handy, originally sent to me by Dan
Gulino.  (It's also at 442.com, but this will save some folks a little
time...:-)

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend Street
Lansing, Michigan 48921-0001


Give them model, year, and VIN, and they ought to be able to send you
something on your particular vehicle.

Later,

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 16:25:54 -0000
From: "ROBERT J STEINMANN" <centuryair@prodigy.net>
Subject: a/c and p/s hoses

As a list member I would like to here from some 63 starfire owners.
My business is a auto A/C service shop. We can rebuild any A/C hose using
134A compatable hose. Prices are usually 35 dollars
per rubber section. We also can rebuild any power steering hose.
They start at 45 dollars per section. I can also supply 134A retrofit
kits. Gm vehicle retroft very well. I did a 72 cutlass today. I did my 81
calais 3 years ago and it is colder and has needed no service since. Hope I
can Help You. Daytime ª 520-792-9077.
 Bob Steinmann
 63 starfire conv
 81 cutlass calais

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 19:43:05 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> > well..lets see...its 15 years old....and has been setting out in the
> > south carolina sun for probably as long.....its not TITANIUM....its
> > paint....I'd much rather fix some paint than replace a rusted out
> > quarter panel or fender....and like I said...the BODY IS SPOTLESS....no
> > bubbles no troubles!!!...but...thats just me....to each his own...
>
> True, I agree.  Don't get so sarcastic here.  It's good that you stopped
> and checked it out for everyone's benefit on the list.  But if it has
> been repainted, then somebody MAY have repaired the body, but then
> again, I'm just trying to say be careful.  Sight unseen, one can only
> speculate.  I know what the SC sun can do, I spent 15 years there until
> I moved to Miami recently.  However, it MAY be original paint, but I was
> just concerned if it WAS a repaint, then there MIGHT be shoddy body work
> underneath, so you still may have to end up replacing a quarter panel or
> two.  Front fenders are fairly cheap though.  Not likely to be rust out,
> since inland SC cars don't do a LOT of that.  The hard part of the whole
> thing is, when you DO repaint it, it'll cost another arm and a leg for
> the decals.  And good luck on finding good interior door panel pieces.
> You gotta keep those sundry items in mind when you are painting a car
> too.
>
> Mike Rothe


well.....it just seems to me like your looking a gift horse in the mouth...I'm
telling the list about a very nice...and totally original car...and very
rare....was told by the owner that it was 1 of 500 built for 1983....and it
seems to me....your trying to tear it down...like clear coat damage is 
something
that only happens to neglected cars....as I have stated truthfully...this car
is 100% original...right down to the radio...it has tons of options...including
T-tops....correct lightning rod shifters....power
windows...locks....tilt....air....cruise...correct chrome wheels...the clear
coat damage on the roof and rear decklid are TYPICAL of FACTORY paint
jobs...and easily fixed seeing how theres this stripe that runs around the top
of the car that would be a PERFECT place to tape off the top.....and repaint 
the
damaged black paint.....so whatever your motives are...beleive me when I
say...this is a totally factory paint job...there is NO BODY DAMAGE
whatsoever....and would make a perfect showcar with a very small amount of
work....I'm 36 years old...and have been in this game for quite a while...and
have made a few mistakes myself in purchasing something that was a lot less
than it seemed...but i think we all have...so lets try to give people the
benefit of the doubt before we start assuming things...I have thoroughly looked
this car over...and in my opinion would make someone a really nice
showcar....I'm sorry if you feel I'm being sacastic I tend to act that way when
some questions my ability to distinguish between a bondo'd up pile of 
junk...and
something that would be worth restoring.......as I said before...THATS JUST
ME......Hoagie

1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 "hardtop coupe"
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 19:04:52 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)

Scott wrote:

>How can I get ahold of these guys (one of the few places I've
>never heard of).  Would they have a molded carpet set for something as far
>back as my '60?  Thanks in advance...
>
>Scott
>1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98


Specialty Olds
1727 W. Cypress St.
Tampa, FL   33606

(941)  293-7966

(Ask for Ken Reese - Good guy to deal with.)

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:11:46 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> Uh-oh, I decoded my trans, its an 81!!!!!  anybody know of any problems w/the
> 81 4spds???   Thanks to all who helped in decoding it.........

Is it a THM200-4r?  I've heard that it's a dog of a transmission....the
extra set of planetaries (for the OD) are coated with a type of plastic
material, which will reduce friction and noise when crusing at highway
speeds.  Over time, these planetaries will wear more than the 3spd.
trannies (THM-350 & 400), and will become problematic.

My '85 DRB has the 2004r in it, and since I found this out, I'm a little
worried about putting a suit & tie 350 in it...it'll turn the innards of
the tranny into baby food.  If I were to pull the trans out, and have it
rebuilt with stronger parts, it would be prime.  But, like most people,
I'm not ready to shell out $2000+ for a strong tranny.  I'll just keep
making weekly trips to the El Junque Yarde for used 2004r's....

- -----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:19:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Rapidfire Plugs

Anyone here have experience with these? I seem to recall someone tried a
set in a 307 -- Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
Rapidfire equivalent?

Thanks in advance...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:25:38 -0500
From: jim meeks <jimmeeks@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: carpet

1.800.622.2024 or 1.941.293.7966  Guy's name is Ken.

JIM


At 10:54 PM 12/3/97 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>>
>>         Specialty Olds has been the best for us. It runs about $95.00
and is
>> the best I've found. I falls right in and the colors are correct.
>
>
>How can I get ahold of these guys (one of the few places I've
>never heard of).  Would they have a molded carpet set for something as far
>back as my '60?  Thanks in advance...
>
>Scott
>1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:26:55 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Bill Gochenour wrote:

> into the five digit range. If you recall the original post did request
> an "Awesome" system.

I am the original poster of the thread... <G> I asked for an AWESOME
setup, yes, but I also stated somewhere in my post that I wanted an
AWESOME setup without modifing the car, or adding speakers where
speakers weren't placed factory wise (In any of the 80s G-Bodys.)

> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.

I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:33:12 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Rapidfire Plugs

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Anyone here have experience with these? I seem to recall someone tried a
> set in a 307 -- Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
> for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
> Rapidfire equivalent?

Nobody tell my parents I know, :-) but I'm getting a set of Rapidfires for
Christmas.  The Rapidfire plugs for the 307 are type "7" and the 307 uses
the R46SX plug.  I'll let y'all know how they work when I jump back on the
list after the holidays (somewhere around the 10th of January).
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 20:44:20 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??

> Is it a THM200-4r?  I've heard that it's a dog of a transmission....

As Darth Vader would say, 'I find your lack of faith disturbing.'
Normally, you would be right, it isn't the strongest tranny out there,
but if you can just "happen" to run across one from a GN or an "OZ"
442/Hurst then you'd be quite surprised by their capabilities.  While
I've heard of a few GN/Hurst/442 trannys getting chewed up, it wasn't
very common compared to other models.  I've got 63K on my 85 442, and it
still will chirp second by itself while in overdrive and moderate
throttle.  All I've done to it is filter and fluid at 20K and at 45k.
I've heard many horror stories about these trannies, and if I had my
druthers, a 700 would be in there instead.  I knew of a girl who bought
a new 84 H/O, then three weeks later traded it in because the
transmission shifted hard, and she was dead set on something being wrong
with the transmission.  If she'd had only let me know earlier.  Heck,
I'd have married her just to keep that car from going away.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 20:56:20 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

>> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
>> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
>
>I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
>--
>                 Jerry Christopher
>     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______
>
>
  ahhh I used to have a tape of my '70 88 laying a nice long patch :)
well, it was wet but i just wanted the engine sound ;)

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 18:53:11 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: engine similarities Question

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Chris Brown Witt wrote:

>  even the engines indeed are related in some way is the good ol' GM V8
>     "1-8-4-3-6-5-7-2".
Here's my question:
I didn't know that the firing order was the same for all GM's, and I've
seen this distributor cap advertised, probably in Summit, that sends out
your ignition wires in a more aesthetically pleasing fashion.  It says
it's for Chevys, but would it work on an Olds too then?


Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:01:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Two72W30S@aol.com
Subject: International Show Car Association

Is anybody with and Olds going to compete
in this show venue.  I am considering of
entering my 72 442 W-30 to earn points
and $$$$. I will be at the Detroit Autorama
and maybe the Indianapolis World of Wheels
and Louisville KY championship autoshow.

Just asking everyone.  I showed the car last year
and took second at the Detroit Autorama in the
Conservative Hardtop class, so I thought I see if
I could go one better and take some $$$ with me.

Two72W30s (Mark Prince)
will be back to W MACHINES soon
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket and
a good stable of cars

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:02:24 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 9 sec '64 442

In a message dated 97-12-03 20:22:39 EST, you write:

<<
 That white 9 sec '64 442 was a great *looking* car also.  A true Rocket!
 You had to see it run to believe it.

 Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
 '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
 '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
 '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

 -- >>

There was one running at Byron Dragway when I was down there (just about 80
miles West of Chicago, IL.).  It was running 9's, was white (a 442 from what
the announcer said), and it was running a pretty decent class.

I wonder if it's the same car?

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:14:38 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??

Mike Rothe wrote:

>>>I knew of a girl who bought a new 84 H/O, then
>>>three weeks later traded it in because the
>>>transmission shifted hard, and she was dead set
>>>on something being wrong with the transmission.
>>>If she'd had only let me know earlier.  Heck,
>>>I'd have married her just to keep that car
>>>from going away.

Sin...big time;  a *new* 84 H/O?!?  That's a shame to even imagine.  I'd
still marry her, even if the car *is* gone...she's got great taste.
(Just as long as she isn't *too* hard on the eyes!)

Did this car come from the factory with a mild shift kit?  It must have,
if it really shifted *that* hard.  It'd be a 2004r, right?  If I were to
put that behind a suit & tie 350, with a shift kit, the old '85 DRB
would really dance...

- ------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:11:11 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

In a message dated 97-12-03 21:06:44 EST, you write:

<<
 On Tue, 2 Dec 1997, Dustin Cross wrote:
 > they show 2 different 350 kits '68-76 and '77-80

 What changed between '76 and '77 I wonder?

 Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada


  >>
It's something with the ports (water) on the head/block.  When redoing my 350
I found there are some differences in the head gasket between the older, and
newer ones.  As far as I know, nothing else is different.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:19:48 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: International Show Car Association

Two72W30S@aol.com wrote:
>
> Is anybody with and Olds going to compete
> in this show venue.  I am considering of
> entering my 72 442 W-30 to earn points
> and $$$$. I will be at the Detroit Autorama
> and maybe the Indianapolis World of Wheels
> and Louisville KY championship autoshow.

Mark, I will have my 442 in the Cleveland Auto Rama Feb 6,7,8...I think
those are the dates. Also strongly considering entering the Detroit and
Louisville AutoRama. When is the deadline for Detroit? Mark, you should
enter the Cleveland one as I was one of only TWO Olds in a show that had
close to 400 cars. I ended up taking third in my class, first show ever
for my 442.

Jason Labay (zs8cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 Impala SS
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:29:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Rapidfire Plugs

Greg,
I have tried the rapid fires in my 89 calais and found them to be good.
Dont expect me to say i gained 50 horses, but it seemed to idle a little
better.  Now i am using the q4 motorsport FR1's which so called work
better for racing applications.  (to tell you the truth theyre all about
the same to me, save your money)

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

>
> Anyone here have experience with these? I seem to recall someone tried a
> set in a 307 -- Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
> for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
> Rapidfire equivalent?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:29:29 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

**to Bill G....

> First, I'd be interested in the "several other" reasons why you consider
> this to be "excessive", perhaps one of those would be a technical one.
>
> This particular vehicle with near a dozen trophy wins, including the
> Alpine Car
> Audio Nationals, was designed and built to be one of the more
> conservitative show systems out there. No over powering presense of
> bass or screaming highs. Nothing in the car is hacked-up, or looks out
> of place. Further more, this system is spectrum analyzed by computer
> using four (4) full size mannequins with the mics mounted in the heads
> to
> simulate the actual listener positions.

You must be competing for sound quality, right?  Or are you going for
strictly volume?

>>>The reason that four 10" woofers were used instead of one,
>>>is with four your total power gets divided into each driver,
>>>resulting in a more smooth response without beating one
>>>speaker to death. Secondly, since the cabinet chosen for
>>>this system was designed as a sealed enclousre (3 cubic
>>>ft. total air space), to get the drivers to move the proper
>>>amount of air to produce the correct low frequency response,
>>>200 watts minimun power was required. Also FYI, it's at the
>>>low listening levels where sub-bass first weakens or even disapears. It
>>>would have taken less power to move air in a ported enclousre or free-air
>>>system, but the trade-off would be sloppy more boomy bass reponse.

Whoo...sounds like quite a system.  What are you running for subs?  A
friend of mine is into stereo competitions as well, and he is running
four 10" Kaption Pro subs off of a Phoenix Gold ZX-500.  I can't even
sit in the car...(I'd like to avoid hearing aids till middle age, at
least.)  Were you competing for dB, or for sound quality?  The guy with
the four Kaption Pros was into strictly loudness, and he was hitting
141dB.  It's certainly impressive, but far too loud for me.  A guy at a
local car audio shop has six 12" Rockford Fosgate Punch subs in his
D*dge Sh*dow, and he's got them set up in a "wall"...the back seat is no
longer.  This car is running some serious power...he's got four RF Punch
100ix's.  (He used to run Dr. Crankenstein subs, but kept blowing them
apart, and they'd actually hit the windshield!)  He's into strictly
volume as well, and hit 152dB.

I'm not into stereos this seriously;  I like a system that is more
designed for sound quality, and can run around 105-110dB at *most*.  I'm
looking into purchasing a pair of Alpine VR 12's from a friend...could I
get your opinion on these subs?  I've heard that they're an excellent
balance between performance and price...

So far, I've got the high-end covered...I've got a pair of Sony 6953
6x9's in boxes *on* the rear partial shelf (back dash), and a pair of
Sony 33's (3.5") mounted in the front dash.  Sometime soon I'll be
picking up a two pairs of *good* Sony component sets (splits), and I'll
put one speaker in each door.  I'll be running all of this off of two
Sony EXM-502 amps.  I've got a 10" Crunch sub in the truck, but that's
only temporary until I can come up with the cash for a pair of good
subs, and a good amp. (I'm looking at a used Phoenix Gold M-44 right
now).

If you've got any advice worth repeating, please let me know.  I've been
following this thread all the way through, and I'm waiting for the pot
of gold at the end of this rainbow...

>>>In order to reproduce frequencies from 20-20K
>>>(correctly...true RMS), you going to need high-end
>>>component drivers, these drivers often require more
>>>power to achieve their optimum performance specs.
>>>Basically, you need higher power for these to reach
>>>their efficient operating range. But, that doesn't
>>>necesscerally mean they have to be loud.

Also known as "nominal" power, right?

- ------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:31:05 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Trans mystery......solved......help??

Did this car come from the factory with a mild shift kit?  It must
have,
> if it really shifted *that* hard.  It'd be a 2004r, right?  If I were to
> put that behind a suit & tie 350, with a shift kit, the old '85 DRB
> would really dance...
>

Sorta.  You know those slight differences between the older model
TH400's, the "regular" 442 OG, vs the W-30 OW?  That's kinda what they
did to the "OZ" transmissions.  It basically had higher WOT shift
points, a specially calibrated valve body, and high stall speed
converter.  Higher internal pressures, and a few other mods.  In 86 and
up 442s, the power ratings changed and the transmissions were calibrated
differently.  I had a new 87 once that just didn't shift like the 85.
Noticably smoother.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:48:41 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: customer relations

Steve and Mike are good guys and aren't trying to intentionally screw around
with anyone.
============
Be that as it may...
there's really no excuse for saying *to the customer* stuff like we heard cited
here- what was it? I forget. Dern. The way to treat a customer who is worried
enough about their stuff to call and inquire is to explain why it's not there
yet, apologize profusely, smooth their feathers [not ruffle them], and promise
to rectify the problem. Then DO JUST THAT. And, if you can't, send the money
back.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:50:14 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: 85 442

Thank You,

I'll try that Olds History center.

Matt

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 21:37:45 EST
From: J2ROCKET <J2ROCKET@aol.com>
Subject: Re: off-idle stumble

Hello Greg, In answer to your question, where do you buy Mallory points? Yes
at most speed shops. Here in Ca. I get them from a large speed shop chain
store called Super Shops. I don't know if they are nationwide or not or in
Nova Scotia. I also use them at my work on heavy duty older trucks (GMC , F*rd
& International). They sell for about $14.00 but are worth it. They require
very few dwell resets. Check local speed shops or mailorder speed warehouses
such as Summit. Does anyone else on the list know someplace near Greg to help
him out??? Remember, DON'T USE Mallory condensers!!! Lot's of trouble with
them shorting to ground.
                                                                     Good
Luck,   J2ROCKET

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