To:	oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
cc:	 
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #984


oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, December 2 1997      Volume 01 : Number 984



Re: Xmas
Re: "GM BLOOD"
UNBOUNCE: Rust, Chrome and Engines
Re: 1998 Oldsmobile.com
Re: 86 CS Steering Box
Re: "GM BLOOD"
RE: UNBOUNCE: Rust, Chrome and Engines
Rearenz
Re: need xpert valve help
Re: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
64 442 for sale
Re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.
Re: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
Re: Beware of Brother's
TPS resistance
Re: Air cleaner woes
I'm back
New york olds club
Pot Metal Plating
Re: Beware of Brother's
Brothers curiousity
Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people
Strange cargo
Re: "GM BLOOD"
Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.
Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
Re: Toro oil pan
Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
off-idle stumble
Re: 86 needs steering box? C Witt
Re: "GM BLOOD"
Re: Beware of Brother's
Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people
Re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.
Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people
Re: off-idle stumble
More Brother's stuff
Re: "GM BLOOD"
Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: Xmas
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Re: "GM BLOOD"
1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale
Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people
Re: off-idle stumble
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 04:43:14 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Xmas

In a message dated 97-12-01 16:02:13 EST, you write:

<<
 >      Dear Santa, all I want for Xmas is an Olds Email list without:
 > 1) my xxxx is faster than your xxxx whining
 > 2) personal attacks
 > 3) personal business traffic (not counting 'for sale' lists)
 > 4) foul language (even with * in the spelling)
 > 5) days long debates on how to pronounce 4-4-2
 >
 >   Maybe you should join the Barney List!
  >>
How bout the "Kathie Lee Gifford List"??

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 05:34:29 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

>         Does the 502 have the universal bellhousing flange?

No, it has an adapter plate.

> <snip>nonetheless, that's not the kind of cars I'm into...I'm talkin RWD,
> of course.  I'm not all that interested in the newer FWD computer controlled
ones > (not even really interested in the RWD computer controlled ones!).--

Now you're getting what I'm talking about.  You pick the type(s) right
for you, and leave the rest for others to enjoy.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:50:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Rust, Chrome and Engines

This never made it to the regular list; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:"LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Questions...Rust, chrome and engines

It's me again <grin>  Just mostly trying to give a little bit of an update on
my poor car while trying to catch up on digests.

Well first of all those that may remember my 455 which got rebuilt about 6
5 months ago now.  Due to a little mechanical problems I had while taking
it on it's maiden long distance voyage...I got someone to look at Pook's
innards and come up with more than I wanted to hear.  Namely the rebuilt
wasn't done real well and I should get the lifters looked at while it was
still under warrenty.  Funny thing is it's been making the exact same noise
since I first got it but I just figgured that the Mechanics checked
everything first <sigh>  Remind me not to make that mistake again ;)
Anyway the lifters arn't great.  As if that isn't good enough news, but I've
got some nasty exhaust leaks up there, and the brake fluid assembly (I
forgot the name for it already) is on it's last leg, and I need a new water
pump and a new carb & choke (since my carb is also on it's last leg and
the choke - well it's not only dead, but has been buried for a long time).
The only good news in this, is that the engine and exhaust stuff is still
under warrenty and the rest of it is getting done by a knowledgable friend
for cost of parts...*and* I get to hover over his shoulder too <grin>

About the chrome...I'm not looking for replating the real chrome stuff, just
that plastic chrome-look painted stuff which is around the arm rests in the
door panel.  Anyway, I know the current solution is the silver paint pen,
but it gives a silver look instead of the shiney chrome look.  Question is - I
was browsing through the auto store this weekend and came across a
can of 'chrome' paint.  Which is *supposed* to have the end results of
shiney chrome.  Has anyone used this or something similar?  I didn't get a
chance to buy the can at the time so can't give any maker or brand name.
I was just wondering if anyone has tested this with good results.  Either
way I will probaby get some to test on a few bits of plastic to see the end
result before getting it anywhere near the car.

About the rust, it's getting *terrible* in the trunk.  It's a wonder that the
whole thing hasn't fallen out yet...maybe it's the gas tank holding it up :\
Well I vaugly recall some rust converter that Eastwood sells...Corrosless I
think it was...At any rate has anyone used this and can you paint over it?
I don't seem to recall if you were able to paint over it when finished and if
it's the same thing I'm thinking of, then I really don't want a red looking
trunk no matter *how* well it works...Okay, well maybe, but I'd really
rather not <chuckle>  Anyway, suggestions for this?  I need some sort of
converter cause the rust is *really* Really bad.

Thanks again
Laura

66 Delta 88 aka Pook
Texas

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:19:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1998 Oldsmobile.com

On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Mike Rothe wrote:
> TalkWithOlds@giantstep.com wrote:
> > The new 1998 Oldsmobile Web sites have arrived, and they're ready to serve
up exactly > > what you're looking for. These new sites have been designed
around the way you shop for > > a new car - from just learning about our cars
and comparing window stickers, to > > participating in our Community bulletin
boards for Oldsmobile owners and enthusiasts.

Actually I was at the site a week or two back, and it is a pretty good
one for getting info on the current models. Took me a while to figure out
how to navigate around the Intrigue page -- it's not obvious how to go
from one topic to the next, but once I figured it out there was some good
stuff there.

One point: they have apparently discontinued the bulletin boards that
were mentioned. Too bad, because I thought they were useful. It surprised
me that they were there at all, because they had some decidedly
non-corporate-line discussions going on.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 08:32:39 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 86 CS Steering Box

Trevor Lee wrote:
>
> about the steering box....how could I tell if it's a quick-ratio one??  Did
> they have them back then??

Sorry, Trevor.  I don't know about back then.  If it has the F41 pacakge,
I'd assume it was quick-ratio.  I don't know when Olds started putting the
F41 in the cars.  All I know is all the H/O's and 442's of the 80's have
it.  Jason Labay, does your '80 442 have the F41?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 08:27:29 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

Trevor,

Having ordered a new 455 Cutlass in 1973, I can say that no tach was
available or I would have had one.  The H/O had a digital one for the
console.  All that was available are the gauges.

As to GM blood.  all I can say is that isn't any fun to pick on a poor car.
If one is picked on, it is because it has redeaming qualities.  The greater
the redeaming qualities, the greater the harassment.  I don't own a Chevy
only because I like Olds better & I can enjoy 1 1/2 Olds' for the cost of 1
Chevy.  The math alone convinces me.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible



>        Also, I'm wondering about the gauges in the '75.  Ok, speedo on the
left,
>right?  What's on the right?  Do you have a tach??  I am desperately trying
to find
>out if the '73-'77 Cutlasses came with an optional tach, cause I'd KILL to
get my
>hands on one of those!!  I've found out that you could get a gauge package
in place
>of the fuel gauge with the oil water and volts, but I really would like a
tach if at
>all possible.  =B)
>        Also, what does was W-25 option?  If I'm not mistaken I know the
W-30 and
>W-31 were the engines, is the W-25 just a slightly lower-performance 455?

In the '73-'77 cars, W-25 meant 350 engine & W-30 meant 455 engine.

>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:36:37 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Rust, Chrome and Engines

Laura,

Sorry to hear about your engine woes, but not every rebuilder is
competent.  Personally I go with remanufactured engines using my own
cores.

On the topic of your plastic chrome, the chrome paint that Plasti-Kote
and other manufacturers sell is not a bad choice for what you want to
do.  However, it will not give a true chrome look but the color will be
deeper than using silver paint.

Now onto the rust.  Before you look into rust converters, dive
underneath and check the areas where the tank straps attach to the
bottom of the trunk pan.  If they are starting to rust through or,
shudder, you can push your fingers through the pan, it's time to think
about replacing the trunk pan.  If all it is, is surface rust, even if
it is starting to scale, wire-brush it and sand as much of the rusted
areas as you can.  Then wipe the whole area down with either mineral
spirits or acetone.  Then you can use the rust converters to catch that
stuff you couldn't clean up.  Then prime and paint as usual.

God Bless Texas


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 06:34:40 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Rearenz

     Folks, I'm getting ready to start building a rear axle assy for a
strip/street 70 Cutlass. Here's my dilemma: Chevy 12 Bolt VS Ford 9".
I do have a 12 Bolt housing and 4 series carrier ~in stock~. Thoughts?


===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 07:13:39 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: need xpert valve help

- --Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
I was having some ª5 heads fitted with larger intakes from a C head,
and the machine shop called and said the larger intakes were too
short. According to the manuals, the ª5 heads' intakes are indeed
about 0.050" longer than most others, including the C heads' intakes.
Me, I feel that 0.050" is not much different... at 100ª per 0.400"
[spring konstant], that's only about a 10ª difference in seat pressure.

>>More Rocket Science! One question though: is the "overall length"
being measured from valve face to the tip OR from the valve face to
the keeper slots?? If the latter is true (which I suspect) then the
tip of the valve can't ~disappear~ in the retainer. The valve would be
shorter overall but the distance from the keeper slots to the tip
would be the same as any other Olds valve :)
The springs should be installed at the mfgrs' defined height which
means the intake seats may need to be cut about .050 deeper. You might
need to shorten the guide .050 also. This would keep you out of coil
bind and retainer-to-seal interference. You probably will run an
adjustable valve train anyway so the shorter intakes won't be a
problem. I wouldn't shorten the exhaust valves at all. Just make sure
the machinist sets ALL the springs to the design installed
height....for example 1.800". This may mean cutting the intake seats
and possibly shimming the exhaust seats......but you'll end up with
even spring pressure from the consistent installed heights :)

John Pajak

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:11:02 -0500 (EST)
From: DDMRACER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

In a message dated 97-12-01 11:15:34 EST, you write:

<<   Shifter.  Are you planning to retain the console to go with the MT?
      Olds used the same basic console for all applications (3spd, 4spd,
      auto, and dual gate).  In the MT applications, there is an adapter
      which goes on the top of the console to mate to the shifter boot.
      Good luck finding one if you don't already have one. >>

Joe:
       The suggestions u offered on my swap were all very good except
        i'm a little confused about the above. the shifter hump on the
        driveline tunnel is left of my console. no way could the shifter
        come up thru the console. i had assumed a 4 speed console
        would have this offset made into the console ( like a chevelle
        console). or do i not have the right console for a 72 auto?
        thanks

Duane
72 442






------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:44:35 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

> > <drew wrote>
> >
> > Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
> > Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:25:11 -0500 (EST)
> > From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
> > Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Organization: ANS Communications, Inc.
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca (olds)
> >
> > [snipped description of the sound system]
> >
> > > The remaining
> > > 200 watts goes into 4 10" sub-woofers connected in series/parallel.
> > > Maybe your experience with the 10" spooked you, but that is the best all
> > > round driver, in a sealed cabinet it'll give you the low rumble and the
> > > snappy punch that makes your hair stand.
> >
> > Four 10" subwoofers (in one car) seems excessive to me for several reasons,
> > but I will only mention one of them here.  Safety.  Do you really need four
> > of these giant drivers?  I think it's important to be able to hear sirens,
> > horns, screeching tires and other sounds around you while you drive.
> >
> > Now if you tell me that you don't turn it up too loud, then I applaud your
> > restraint in keeping such a system down.  But I would ask you why you have
> > four subwoofers in a system when one would do just as well at low volumes?
> >
> > You might think I'm a person that just doesn't appreciate music, but in
> > truth I not only enjoy music, I'm the lead singer of a local band, so I'm
> > very much into music.
> >
> > I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
> > one car.  Am I alone in this view?
> >
> > --
> > Drew
> >                     _
> >                     |\            Convertibles                     Drew
Senko > >      .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna,
VA, USA > >      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
senko@reston.ans.net > >      =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
http://members.aol.com/drewinva > >
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________


First, I'd be interested in the "several other" reasons why you consider
this to be "excessive", perhaps one of those would be a technical one.

This particular vehicle with near a dozen trophy wins, including the
Alpine Car
Audio Nationals, was designed and built to be one of the more
conservitative show systems out there. No over powering presense of
bass or screaming highs. Nothing in the car is hacked-up, or looks out
of place. Further more, this system is spectrum analyzed by computer
using four (4) full size mannequins with the mics mounted in the heads
to
simulate the actual listener positions.

The reason that four 10" woofers were used instead of one, is with four
your total
power gets divided into each driver, resulting in a more smooth response
without beating one speaker to death. Secondly, since the cabinet chosen
for this system was designed as a sealed enclousre (3 cubic ft. total
air space), to get the drivers to move the proper amount of air to
produce the correct low frequency
response, 200 watts minimun power was required. Also FYI, it's at the
low listening levels where sub-bass first weakens or even disapears. It
would
have taken less power to move air in a ported enclousre or free-air
system, but
the trade-off would be sloppy more boomy bass reponse.

In order to reproduce frequencies from 20-20K (correctly...true RMS),
you going to need high-end component drivers, these drivers often
require more power to achieve their optimum performance specs.
Basically, you need higher power for these to reach their efficient
operating range. But, that doesn't necesscerally mean they have to be
loud.

<snip>
> > You might think I'm a person that just doesn't appreciate music, but 
intruth
> > I no only enjoy music, I'm the lead singer of a local band, so I'm
> > very much into music.

I also appreciate music too, but I've been designing sound systems and
doing live sound renforcement.

<snip>
> >I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
> > one car.

Maybe, for the same reason people build engines for cars to fly, when
last time I checked the speed limit is still "55".

enough said, before I get accused of "mines louder than yours"
(sorry, had to add that).

anybody wanna buy a soap box ?


* MERRY "OLDS" CHRISTMAS !

- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    / ___ \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4            |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34                   |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34

                * * * * * * * * *
                * COMMING  SOON *---------> www.3STICKS.com
                * * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 11/28/97)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:44:17 +0000
From: "Rick Copithorne" <Richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: 64 442 for sale

This is a Friend of Mine.Told him that I would put it here.
************************
1964 Olds 442 F-85
350 Rocket with Edelbrock Performer RPM Intake
Edelbrock Performer PLus Cam
Edlebrock 750 cfm Carb
Edelbrock Sure Seat Valve Springs
Olds 403 (4a) Heads.
Mondello Chrome Moly Adj. Push Rods.
Crank Ground -10
New rebuild with about 5k miles.
Chrome Valve Cover's,Air Filter, Alternator,
Dynomay Headers.
TH350 Trans with B&M Holeshot 2400 Torque Converter
and Shift Kit.
New Holley Hi Flow Fuel Pump and Regulator.
Car is in great shape no Rot on the Body or Frame.
Cragar Quick Trick Chrome rims.Needs 2 new ones.
Car is purple with custom flame job.Needs some TLC.
Can enclose picture.
Thinking about selling looking for Best Offer.
1964 Olds 442 F-85
Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 10:57:46 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.

>Karl Aune wrote:
>
>I have not been able to confirm that Soylent Ocean Mist has a variable-vane
>converter or not (not knowing what one is supposed to feel like I fear the
>original may have been "mislaid" by an unscrupulous mechanic.
>
>     Karl,
>
>     Easy way to tell:  Pull the electrical connector off the side of the
>     trans case.  A run-of-the-mill TH400 will have a single spade terminal
>     protruding from the case (to activate the kickdown solenoid valve).  A
>     switch pitch (aka variable vane) trans will have two terminals (one
>     for kickdown, one for vane angle).

Just for the record, my '70 SX's non-switch pitch transmission connector
also has two terminals, one for the kickdown, and one for the TCS solenoid
(prevents vacuum advance except in high gear). The other indicator for the
switch-pitch converter would be the switch on the throttle linkage which
kicks in the high-stall speed at idle and at WOT (and, I believe, on those
years it also controls the kickdown).

Unless the transmission was changed, however, it should be a switch-pitch
unit; does the ID tag on the transmission match what should be in your car?
Switch-pitch was standard from the TH400's intro in '65, through the '67
model, though Buick is better known for it.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:04:50 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

I'm curious, how do you rotate the collar? Just manually with your
hands, when you shift into reverse?  Seems like kind of a bother....
The kit from Hurst sounds more appealing.  My car is missing the linkages
from the reverse lever on the tranny too.  It also has headers so simply
locating the linkages wouldn't solve the problem either....

  >In order to operate the backup lights I simply rotate the
  >   collar on the steering column, which in turn puts the switch into
  >   contact.  You can also buy a backup light switch kit from Hurst.


Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:44:53 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Beware of Brother's

Have seen a lot of bad press on Brothers over the last few months so I
thought I would share this.
   At one of the meets I vended at this summer here in New England I had a
young couple buying some stuff off me and we had a nice conversation about
our Oldsmobiles. His girlfriend asked if I did any business with "Brothers"
and I said no and bit my tonge as I wanted to say "I haven't heard anything
good" . Then she says the owner is my 1st cousin (now I'm glad I kept my
mouth shut). Then in a second breath she says  "I heard they are the worst
ones to do business with." This was from the first cousin I took that as
BEWARE

Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:37:12 -0600
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: TPS resistance

Anyone got a DVM and can measure the TPS resistance, (connector
disconnected, car off) from pins A to C, then also give me a resistance
reading from A-B and B-C.  Throttle at idle and at WOT.  I am just
curious on how it looks on other cars.

Please email me directly if you can, I need to know this ASAP!

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:01:11 -0500
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Air cleaner woes

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
- --------------26897130DE90ADFCEFCF5AA2
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="------------5C6D92B7DE156857EB6C8813"


- --------------5C6D92B7DE156857EB6C8813
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit



> On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
> > 2) The decal was too big. Not a lot, but enough. Did Oldsmobile make a
> > 4bbl air cleaner that would have been slightly (read 3/8") smaller in
> > the area that the deal goes?
> >
> > The engine is a 1970. The intake is a 1971. The air cleaner fits OK and
> > even lines up with the steel pre-heat tube.
> > Is this the wrong air cleaner or is Fusick's decal to big??
>



    Brent,

                1969-72 had 3 different air cleaner decal sizes per engine,
1.   350 or 455 4BBL   2.   350 or 455 2BBL large   3.   350 or 455 2 BBL
small.   Each of the respective air cleaner lids use one of the decals as
mentioned, and will fit in the cone area of the lid. It sounds like the
wrong size was sent or the lid could be wrong. Hope this helps.

                A note to all:  Please measure the cone are of the lid
BEFORE ordering the decal.


- --------------5C6D92B7DE156857EB6C8813
Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

<HTML>
&nbsp;
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>On Mon, 1 Dec 1997, Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
<BR>> 2) The decal was too big. Not a lot, but enough. Did Oldsmobile make
a
<BR>> 4bbl air cleaner that would have been slightly (read 3/8") smaller
in
<BR>> the area that the deal goes?
<BR>>
<BR>> The engine is a 1970. The intake is a 1971. The air cleaner fits
OK and
<BR>> even lines up with the steel pre-heat tube.
<BR>> Is this the wrong air cleaner or is Fusick's decal to big??
<BR>&nbsp;</BLOCKQUOTE>
&nbsp;

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Brent,

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1969-72 had 3 different air cleaner decal sizes per engine,&nbsp;
<I><U>1.</U></I>&nbsp;&nbsp; 350 or 455 4BBL&nbsp;&nbsp;
<I><U>2.</U></I>&nbsp;&nbsp; 350 or 455 2BBL large&nbsp;&nbsp;
<I><U>3.</U></I>&nbsp;&nbsp; 350 or 455 2 BBL small.&nbsp;&nbsp; Each of the
respective air cleaner lids use one of the decals as mentioned, and will fit in
the cone area of the lid. It sounds like the wrong size was sent or the lid
could be wrong. Hope this helps.

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
;&nbsp;&nbsp; A note to all:&nbsp; Please measure the cone are of the lid 
BEFORE
ordering the decal. <BR>&nbsp;</HTML>

- --------------5C6D92B7DE156857EB6C8813--

- --------------26897130DE90ADFCEFCF5AA2
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=".csignature"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename=".csignature"

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@gw.ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>

            OCAª 4903
           OPCª 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

- --------------26897130DE90ADFCEFCF5AA2--

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 10:55:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Rick Kromeich <rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com>
Subject: I'm back

I was away from the list for 10 days and hopefully haven't missed too much
useful info - hope all had a good holiday!  Wouldn't normally post this but
my flight back was worth sharing.  Went to Florida with wife and three small
children via Kiwi, flight to Florida was great. Coming back yesterday was
a disaster. Called Kiwi at 12:30 and flight was said to be on time, arrived
at airport 1:15, long lines to check in outside but we did so and made it to
the gate at 2:00 to find our 2:30 flight had been canceled. Went back to
ticketing, waited in line for almost two hours to get rescheduled to leave
at 7:10.  At around six we check back and the flight was delayed til 8:00.
We finally got off the ground around 8:30 - kids were a little grumpy after
spending the day in the airport.  OLDS RELATED PART - We were on flight 442.
Once it got going, it was a smooth flight, that arrived earlier than the pilot
announced.  Hopefully this sounds like my resto project- alot of hassles and
delays to get it going, but when done should ride like a dream.

- -Rick
72 Cutlass Supreme Convert

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:16:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: New york olds club

If anyone is interested in getting involved in the long island, new york
Oldsmobile club email me to get the number of the organizer.  Just trying
to help out olds fans.  I went to one of the car shows last year with my
89 calais it looked out of place but i dont care, its mine!!

shaun
81 cusome cruiser
89 calais gold edition

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 09:36:05 -0800
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: Pot Metal Plating

Now plating pot metal with excellent results. Super reasonable prices, with
money back guarantee if not pleased. No BS. Two levels of quality available.
One is a 95-100% pit free finish, that can be done with patience, and a lot
of copper filler. Another for heavily pitted areas, that will require
individual filling is more expensive, approximately 30% more,that is usually
reserved for show cars. Turnaround time for pot metal is 3-4 weeks, due to
the different processes it has to go thru.For more info ,and quotes, email
to   maldana@digitalwave.net    thanks  Mike Aldana
760-357-0713  early mornings best.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:42:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Beware of Brother's

Brother's seems to have had a bad reputation on the list for some time.  I
was apprehensive about dealing with them for this very reason.  I trust the
judgement of list members who have been where I haven't.

In my case, I needed a new convertible boot, in Sienna (brown).  I called
just about everyone except Brother's and no one carried that color.  So I
called Brother's.  It was one or two weeks before the trip to Lansing, and
they said they could have one made in that color, but not before Lansing.
They also said they'd offer a discount on parts ordered at the Lansing Swap
Meet.

So I ordered my boot from them in Lansing, got $5 off, and it arrived in a
reasonable time after I got home.  I was expecting a long delay, due to the
fact that the boot had to be made to order in my color.  I think I called
them once to make sure that the order didn't get lost in Lansing, but
otherwise Brother's came through for me.

I have also had good service from Year One.  At the time, I didn't know
about Fusick's, Jim Chermack, or any other Olds suppliers, and I haven't
needed many parts.

- --                                                               _
Drew Senko                     1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Vienna, VA, USA                Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:45:49 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Brothers curiousity

First, I have no complaint to make about Brothers Automotive.

I was in St. Joseph, Missouri, recently for several days. While I was there,
I thought I would try to drop in on Brothers, see if they had any walk-in
sales, and generally snoop around. I was there for work reasons and didn't
have any Olds reference material with me. Assumed I could look them up in
the St. Jos., phone book & track 'em down. No phone book listing :-0.

Maybe this is normal for a business that is primarily mail order. Struck me
as weird. If I lived in St. Joseph, MO., and owned an old Olds, wouldn't you
think I'd want to know about a convenient parts source? Also, while I didn't
do any serious sleuthing to find them, I saw no other local advertising for
them. Is it just me.......?

Roger Hitson

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:17:48 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people

Hi, Im trying to find out the yr of my GM 4spd auto on my 86 Salon, I really
want to know the yr of my trans b-4 I put it in the car.  I believe it might
have come from a 83-84 H/O.  What i need to know, what does the tag say on
the tail shaft of the trans??  Mine is horiz. mtd, in yellow and natural
metal There is a "o" on the left, and a "g" on the right.  If anybody has a
service manual from 81-88, on page 2 or 3 it should say what the codes mean.
I have the 86 and "o" and "g" arent in there, so I know its not an 86.
     Thanks in advance,

Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:23:45 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Strange cargo

Okay, I don't expect anyone to really be able to
explain what I saw last night, but it was sufficiently
weird that I had to tell you all about it:

I'm driving home from the train station in Arlington
Heights, IL, and crawling slowly along one of the main
streets, backing up traffic behind it, is a massive
semi-truck pulling a big long flatbed trailer. On the
trailer are two vehicles:

1) An immaculate, mint, '71 or '72 Olds 4-4-2, apparently
dark red (under the streetlights it was a little hard to
tell for sure), with what looked like California plates.

2) A regular, everyday Federal Express delivery van.

Gawd only knows what it was doing going through our
neighborhood. And what would the FedEx van be for?
Urgent parts pickups?
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:22:37 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

Having a 6cyl ford mustang in high school, the 305 2bl c*evy giys were
ruthless to me. Even now c*evy this c*evy that.
Olds is Olds, 10 times better than any c*evy ever made!!!!

I love any old car, but c*evy will NEVER be anything special to me.

ROCKET POWER, ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 13:30:14 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

Duane wrote:
       The suggestions u offered on my swap were all very good except
        i'm a little confused about the above. the shifter hump on the
        driveline tunnel is left of my console. no way could the shifter
        come up thru the console.

     Not true.  While you are correct about the hump, the factory Hurst
     shifter used a stick with an offset bend, which aligned it with the
     center of the console.  I've got one in my 70 W-30 right now.

         i had assumed a 4 speed console
        would have this offset made into the console ( like a chevelle
        console). or do i not have the right console for a 72 auto?
        thanks

     Well, I haven't seen your current AT console, but I'll assume it is
     the factory 70-72 console.  What I stated originally still stands:
     The same basic console was used for _all_ transmission applications in
     70-72.  If you flip the console over, you will see molded-in notches
     on the underside of the console.  These were to be cut out as
     appropriate for MT or dual gate applications.  This process is
     detailed in the factory service manual.

     Note that it _was_ possible to get an MT (3 or 4 spd) in your year
     without a console as well.  In that case there was a rubber boot which
     sealed the stick to the trans hump.  I don't know if the same offset
     stick was used in the non-console applications (I'll bet it was).

     You should also be aware that what I said above about the 70-72
     console does not apply to the 64-69 consoles.  Those cars had
     different consoles for MT and AT, and the MT consoles _did_ have the
     offset you describe for the Chevelle console.

     Hope this helps.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30












------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:44:56 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.

Easy way to tell:  Pull the electrical connector off the side of
the
     trans case.  A run-of-the-mill TH400 will have a single spade
terminal
     protruding from the case (to activate the kickdown solenoid
valve).  A
     switch pitch (aka variable vane) trans will have two terminals (one
     for kickdown, one for vane angle).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
- --
Hmmm. I have a TH-400 out of my '70 Delta 88 has the two terminal
kickdown solenoid. I don't believe it has been rebuilt. The engine is a
2bbl 455 without the special switch pitch carb linkage. Could the torque
convertor be of the switch pitch variety?
- ----------
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 13:35:05 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

I'm curious, how do you rotate the collar? Just manually with your
hands, when you shift into reverse?

     Yep.

Seems like kind of a bother....

     Actually, you get used to it.

The kit from Hurst sounds more appealing.

     True, but rotating the collar is free.  Plus, I don't need to get
     under the car to install the switch kit.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:49:21 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Toro oil pan

you just need a toro oil pickup tube and screen.  you can get one of these
from PAW or summit, i think, and most engine parts houses will have one.
 other than that, you should be good to go.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 11:12:43 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

- ---"Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM> wrote:

I don't know if the same offset stick was used in the non-console
applications (I'll bet it was).

!!!!!!!!!
The stick in my 70 442 (console) and the one in my 70 Cutlass (bench 4
speed no console) are bent differently. The console version sorta
zig-zigs and the non console version is straighter. I think (not sure)
that the shifter unit itself may have a different angle also. I also
have a few unknown units which I am trying to identify by part ª. Any
ideas? :)

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:22:27 -0800 (PST)
From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
Subject: off-idle stumble

HELP!  I can't figure this problem out and it's driving me nuts!

I have a '72 cutlass supreme with 350.  The motor has about 6000 miles on it,
the previous owner had an ATK crate motor put in.  The carb is a rebuilt
Q-jet that was installed a week before I bought it.  the only modifications
I made to it are an open-element K&N air cleaner and a MSD blaster 2 coil.

The problem is this: occasionally (not all the time) it hesitates and
stumbles right off idle, or under a heavy load.  when it does this, it
I give it more gas.
What could it be?  The plugs, wires, and cap look good.  If the engine was
running lean, it would do this all the time instead of intermittently, right?
Did the coil fry my points, and would that cause the problem intermittently?
Any ideas?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:54:58 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 86 needs steering box? C Witt

In a message dated 97-12-02 04:31:20 EST, you write:

<< When I turn
 on the car, the steering wheel automatically turns itself almost 1/2
 around it seems like...any help is appreciated.... >>

man, when we put a trans-am steering gear on our '67 442, the first time we
cranked it up, it did that too!!! we changed the box and it was fine after
that.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 12:55:35 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

In a message dated 97-12-02 04:15:58 EST, you write:

<<
 Mike Rothe wrote:
 >
 > non-Olds in good fun.  Oldsmobile's been the red-headed step child of GM
 > for a long time, so we're just giving something back.  :)  I don't think

 Ya gotta watch those red-headed folks!  We tend to have quite a bit of
 spunk! :-)

 Chris Sparks (Yes I am red-headed)


  >>

Uh-oh!...  Another Chris... another red-head..... Yikes!!!!

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 09:56:38 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Beware of Brother's

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> Have seen a lot of bad press on Brothers over the last few months so I
> thought I would share this.

I have my story too, however, I have to say a kind word in their
behalf.  Running
a business is not easy.  Given the magnitude of their business and the
inadequate software systems (information offered by them) they use, I
think it
will be a matter of time before they get on track.  I truly believe that
Steve
and Mike are good guys and aren't trying to intentionally screw around
with
anyone.  They are having a rough time given the current circumstances
and
the past history with UPS.  The one item that I would hope they could
improve
is the "getting back with me" scenario.  They have had some improvement
here,
however, I hope it is not due to me gently asking (aka my wheel is
squeaking)
them for status, whatever.  Maybe with a computer system that
automatically
notifies them of when to contact the waiting customer would be a plus.

I think patience and asking the right questions from them would yield
the best
results.  When they have stuff in stock, and they know it is something
that is
not on back-order, they can get the stuff to you in a timely basis.
When an
item is a back-order job, then hold off until they physically have it in
house.

Oh BTW, according to them, they may be moving to a different facility.
This too
might result in some hiccups.

Later...

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:04:39 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people

Referring only to the 85 manual, which is the only one I have for mid
80's, OG is not listed.  The 85 442 trans is an OZ, and I believe the
83/84 H/Os were also OZ, but I'm not 100% sure on that.  I'm pretty sure
on that tag it also lists the year, code and tranny serial ª stamped
into it.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 16:12:40 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Variable vane TH400 I.D.

> Hmmm. I have a TH-400 out of my '70 Delta 88 has the two terminal
> kickdown solenoid. I don't believe it has been rebuilt. The engine is a
> 2bbl 455 without the special switch pitch carb linkage. Could the torque
> convertor be of the switch pitch variety?

Doubtful.  The second wire in 70 on up TH400s were for a pressure switch
that went to the accumulator piston area.  Can't recall off hand EXACTLY
what it does, but I think it has something to do with allowing full
vacuum to the distributor only when the car is in third gear when the
engine is cold.  There probably is two wires coming from the
thermostatic vacuum switch on the front of the manifold.  I think this
is what it is.  If anyone knows for sure before I can look this up in my
71 manual, please feel free.  Otherwise, I'll check it out later.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 13:45:30 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people

The '84 H/O is definitely an OZ also.  I know nothing about a code OG
tranny.

Mike Rothe wrote:

> Referring only to the 85 manual, which is the only one I have for mid
> 80's, OG is not listed.  The 85 442 trans is an OZ, and I believe the
> 83/84 H/Os were also OZ, but I'm not 100% sure on that.  I'm pretty sure
> on that tag it also lists the year, code and tranny serial ª stamped
> into it.
>
> Mike Rothe



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 17:53:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: off-idle stumble

On Tue, 2 Dec 1997 PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> What could it be?  The plugs, wires, and cap look good.  If the engine was
> running lean, it would do this all the time instead of intermittently, right?
> Did the coil fry my points, and would that cause the problem intermittently?
> Any ideas?

After the problems I had with high voltages frying coils and points I am
always suspicious of points whenever there is a problem like this. The
points are fairly easy to inspect so maybe take a look there. I know that
high-output coils have the reputation of causing points to taffy, so
maybe that's he problem.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 15:11:40 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: More Brother's stuff

Well,  today I received a call from the person who lives in our old house
(We moved at the beginning of August) and it turns out they sent my parts
order there (which isn't the address on the order form, but where the
catalog was originally sent) after they had told me I would receive a
refund.  While this sounds like a good ending to a story, it's somewhat
annoying when you've already ordered and gotten the parts from another
company. :/  I'm reluctant to bother sending these parts back so I guess
I'm just out $35.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:29:18 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

Trevor Lee wrote:

> > 75 Hurst/Olds W-25
>
>if you've done anything in the way of
> mods/improvements/upgrades to it to make it handle better and if you've found
> anything that works really well.  I'm thinking about going with polygraphite
> pushings/etc, but I just wanted the imput from someone who's got one of the
cars of > this vintage before I lept into the $1000 project that I'm planning
for the > suspension.

Well my 75 H/O is a project vehicle. It needs restored, I got all the
parts just need the time and money to piece it back together.

>         Also, I'm wondering about the gauges in the '75.

Just standard GM gauges. My H/O has to be one of the least optioned one
ever made, I mean none of the extras came with this car, power nothing,
etc. :-( Speedo on the left and gas guage on the right. No tach. I have
have seen a few rallye guage clusters in 73-77's pass through our
salvage yard in the past year or two but I was too lazy to yank them out
and save em.

>         Also, what does was W-25 option?  If I'm not mistaken I know the W-30
and > W-31 were the engines, is the W-25 just a slightly lower-performance 455?

The W-25 option on the 75 Hurst/Olds was the 350/TH-350 combo. W-30 was
the 455/TH-400 combo.

Jason Labay
95 Impala SS
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:12:39 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

I've been asking around about the diffuculties involved in swapping a
307 for a 350...from what I've heard, it shouldn't be too tough.

I was looking through the Summit racing catalogue, and I was
disappointed to see all Bowtie, Ford, Moopar (I call it Moopar).  I'd
like to rebuild the 350 before installing it, and maybe dress it up a
*little* (9.5:1 comp, mild cam upgrade...that sorta stuff).

When they say Pontiac 350, is that the same as the Olds 350?  What about
455 (not that it applies to me.)?  Aren't all 455's generic between
Buick, Olds, and Pontiac?

Could someone tell me where I could get a catalogue with lots of Olds
rebuild stuff?  I'm sick and tired of Chevy getting all of GM's press...

TIA,

- --
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:18:56 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Xmas

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-12-01 16:02:13 EST, you write:
>
> <<
>  >      Dear Santa, all I want for Xmas is an Olds Email list without:
>  > 1) my xxxx is faster than your xxxx whining
>  > 2) personal attacks
>  > 3) personal business traffic (not counting 'for sale' lists)
>  > 4) foul language (even with * in the spelling)
>  > 5) days long debates on how to pronounce 4-4-2
>  >
>  >   Maybe you should join the Barney List!
>   >>
> How bout the "Kathie Lee Gifford List"??

The "Kenny G" list seems more appropriate...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:25:15 -0600
From: "M.Chapman" <chapman1@midwest.net>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

At 12:35 PM 11/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >         I was always under the impression that the Cutlass Salon was the
>> > "sportier" model with the Supreme being the "classy" one.  Am I very
>> You are right, it's all in perception...  I look at the Salon as being
>> the "Classy" one, and the Supreme as the "Base" model.  Class being
>> added by gauges, and buckets, and consoles, vs, Bench seats and Column
>> Shifts.  <G>
>> (except the rear windows and the Ghia emblem) much like the Salon, which
>> to my knowledge, you couldn't get a "Salon" emblem on a "Supreme"...  Is
>> there any other options not allowed, or sold on the Supreme?
>
>        I'm not personally sure on this one...maybe someone who knew more
>about the original options might....for example, was a complete ralley gauge
>package available in the Supremes?  I've got the Brougham and it has the
>big-ass fuel gauge with idiot lights (make that HAD, thanx to a nice set of
>Eqqus gauges - and I'm thinking about implanting 5" AutoMeters into the dash,
>having it look as neat/clean as possible - there's a REALLY cool set right
>from GM, you can tell they're AutoMeters from the obvious styling, but they
>have black backs with the white Olds logo on 'em!).  I actually haven't ever
>seen a GM A-body of this vintage ('73-'77) having a gauge package from the
>factory (I know they existed, but it just goes to show how rare they are).  I
>wouldn't mind getting my hands on some sorta GM document showing what options
>were available with each model.  That'd be cool.
>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech


How can i tell my car is really a Salon and not a Supreme with badges stuck
on it. ( I may just be paranoid but my brothers friend went to go but what
he thought and was told a 90-somthing COBRA, come to find out it was a GT).
I also think maybe it used to have a column shifter and not a console and
somone just converted it over. does this mean anything as to the make
(Salon vs. Supreme). can you tell by the VIN or do you have to read the RPO
codes.
I'm not sure if they're even still there but I'll check
if you can tell by the VIN then here it is: 1G3GK47Y7FP330858
I was told it was an 85 Cutlass Salon, but i dont see any 5's in the vin
except for the last one but that is just the number in the series in which
it was built, right?

Thanks in advance from the New Olds Guy on the list.
Mark Chapman
85 Cutlass Salon (?)
87 Monte Carlo SS
95 Monte Carlo LS

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 17:25:13 -0600
From: "M.Chapman" <chapman1@midwest.net>
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

At 01:22 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Having a 6cyl ford mustang in high school, the 305 2bl c*evy giys were

>ruthless to me. Even now c*evy this c*evy that.

>Olds is Olds, 10 times better than any c*evy ever made!!!!

>

>I love any old car, but c*evy will NEVER be anything special to me.

>

>ROCKET POWER, ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

>Bernie

>

Hey Bernie,

I got news for you kid.

All GM G bodies are basically the same frame with a different skin on it.
Especially (which is what I'm really referring to) those made in the
80's. I have A Monte Carlo SS <underline>AND</underline> An Olds Cutlass
Salon. I <underline>LOVE</underline> them both!!

please don't rag on chevys because some half-wit in high school used to
give you crap.


if i may say so (jokingly of course) you were driving a v6 NuttStain.


Mark Chapman

85 Olds Cutlas Salon

87 Monte Carlo SS

95 Monte Carlo LS

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:25:11 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale

hey guys,
I stopped and took a closer look at this "G" body car...it has
power windows...locks....cruise...air...tilt....307 H.O. motor ligtning
rod shifters....4 speed overdrive tranny...the interior is
spotless...burgandy velour bucket seats..no cig burns on front or
rear seats...other than needing a few trim pieces on the doors...it has
79k miles on it...body is flawless other than typical clear coat damage
on top of roof and rear decklid..spoiler...hood...man is asking
6500.00....and lives in Clinton SC...which is about 2 hours southwest of
Charlotte, N.C.....his number is (864) 833-6731

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:24:38 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi, Im trying to find out the yr of my GM 4spd auto on my 86 Salon, I really
> want to know the yr of my trans b-4 I put it in the car.  I believe it might
> have come from a 83-84 H/O.  What i need to know, what does the tag say on
> the tail shaft of the trans??  Mine is horiz. mtd, in yellow and natural
> metal There is a "o" on the left, and a "g" on the right.  If anybody has a
> service manual from 81-88, on page 2 or 3 it should say what the codes mean.
> I have the 86 and "o" and "g" arent in there, so I know its not an 86.
>      Thanks in advance,
>
Bernie,
  From page 0A-4 of my 1986 Service manual..

"Transmissions used with the various....<snip>  Fig. 6 discloses how to
determine the model and serial number of the transmission.  The
automatic 200C and 200-4R transmission serial number plate, is located
on the right side of the case."

Figure 6 looks roughly like this...

200-4R
___________________________________________
|   60                         G           |
|   |
|   |
|  117          1T86OG0346       |
____________________________________________

117 = Julian date of day of year

1T86OG0346

1 = shift built 1, 2 or 3.
T = Three Rivers
86 = Model year (ding, ding,ding...)
OG = Model
0346 = Serial number

Of course the Transmission usage chart calls them MW9's.  The OG seems
to be on the right track...see if there are more letters/digits buried
under gook somewhere....

Hope this helps...
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 18:38:24 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: off-idle stumble

PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
>
> HELP!  I can't figure this problem out and it's driving me nuts!
>
> I have a '72 cutlass supreme with 350.  The motor has about 6000 miles on it,
> the previous owner had an ATK crate motor put in.  The carb is a rebuilt
> Q-jet that was installed a week before I bought it.  the only modifications
> I made to it are an open-element K&N air cleaner and a MSD blaster 2 coil.
>
> The problem is this: occasionally (not all the time) it hesitates and
> stumbles right off idle, or under a heavy load.  when it does this, it
> I give it more gas.
> What could it be?  The plugs, wires, and cap look good.  If the engine was
> running lean, it would do this all the time instead of intermittently, right?
> Did the coil fry my points, and would that cause the problem intermittently?
> Any ideas?
 sounds like your quadrajet needs either some metering rod
adjustments...if they are not correct for your 350...or...float level is
off....too low probably if its this....or...the accelerator pump is not
working properly...also...there is a 2 step adjustment on the
accelerator pump lever...towards the top of the carb...this may help if
your try to adjust that pump....Hoagie


1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 "hardtop coupe"
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:41:54 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 02, 1997 6:23 PM
Subject: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....


>snip>
>
>When they say Pontiac 350, is that the same as the Olds 350?  What
about
>455 (not that it applies to me.)?  Aren't all 455's generic between
>Buick, Olds, and Pontiac?

No, each 350 is unique to the respective Marque; so are the 455s. The
Olds are Olds and only Olds as far as the 350 and 455 go.
>
>Could someone tell me where I could get a catalogue with lots of Olds
>rebuild stuff?  I'm sick and tired of Chevy getting all of GM's
press...

Mondell's Performance Parts:
http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello/

Edelbrock 9397 H.P. from an Olds 350:
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/7111pp.html
>
>TIA,
>
>'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
>'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
>'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)
>
>(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

Summit and Jegs do have some Olds performance parts however. I just
received a set of Comp Cams rocker arms and pushrods. I also got a
bunch of Edelbrock stuff from Summit.
The Olds stuff is out their, it's just hard to find it in a sea of
bl**dy Ch*vy stuff.
Hope this helps a little.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 ª984
********************************
