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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 21 1997      Volume 01 : Number 917



Re: Quadrajet
Re: stock roller lifters for diesel
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
Oldsmobile Mondello nationals
Re: New looks for Olds
RE: real '72 442
RE: Re[2]: real '72 442
Re: Buick SSI lookalikes
AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability
[Fwd: Questions]
Re: xman W31 decoding
RE: Olds Toronado
Re: Add-on Airco
Re: point dists wanted?
Re: vacuum hose diagram for '70 olds 350
Mondello Oldsmobile nats
Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S
Re: xman W31 decoding
Re: real '72 442
Re: Octane booster
Re: header conversion
Re: Olds Questions
Re: 403 anyone???
84 88 giveaway (almost)
Dread cam bank angle question
Re: Front Springs for a 65 Cutlass
RE: Olds Toronado
Re: Values
Re: xman W31 decoding
Bucket seats
Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S
Re: Is it just me...
Re: Octane booster
Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S
help
You'll all laugh...
Re: A trade
Re: header conversion
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: Quadrajet
Carb identification...
Fw: molding removal
Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S
Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability
Re: Emissions...
Re: California events
Another Olds Song?
Padnos rules!
307 man here.
Re: Octane booster
394 for the guy needs one
Re: Is it just me...
Re: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list
Original Rally Wheel Colors
Re: header conversion

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:22:02 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet

I have found these are getting harder and harder to find, when I did
the rebuild for my 70, I had to order it through a local vendor in
town, I couldn't find it anywhere else at the time. If push comes to
shove, I can get you the phone ª and address of the place, its a Napa
Store in Freeport IL. I would assume there would be Napa Stores
around your area, (maybe not) but let me know either way.

> Can anyone tell me if I can purchase only the gasket for my '70 4bl
> quadrajet.  The one in the front where the fuel filter goes.  It must be
> about an inch in diameter.  I assume I can use any gasket that is for a
> fuel line that is the approximate size.
>
> Steven
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 09:56:42 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: stock roller lifters for diesel

Mondello says the diesel roller lifters etc. are too heavy for performance
use


- ----------
> From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: stock roller lifters for diesel
> Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 7:35 PM
>
> Hello,
>
> I have a set of roller lifters and guides from an 81 350 diesel.
> These lifters fit in my 67 400 cu. block.  Is it posible to have the cam
> reground to gas engine specs?  Is this feasable?  Thanks for any help
>
>
> John

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:28:00 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

Yukons are damn hard to get. I sell them though. I've got a few Jimmys, but
only one yukon.

- ----------
> From: chris smetana <chris@abcs.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
> Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 10:24 PM
>
> > I sell new ....,GMC, ...
>
> What about a Yukon or Jimmy????
>
>
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> chris@abcs.com
>
> 1969 Cutlass W-31
> plus others
>
> C:\DOS
> C:\DOS\RUN
> RUN\DOS\RUN

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:35:45 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile Mondello nationals

Does anybody have a copy of the video of the 95,96,or 97 Mondello nats at
norwalk,ohio. Or any other Olds races?  Does anyone need a GM service
manual for a 69 olds? I may also have others laying around, but they are
all much newer.


                                Thanks, Eric
                           babbott@pdnt.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:19:09 -0700
From: Victor Duron <vduron@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New looks for Olds

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You are sending e-mail to the wrong place  !

Ingmar Ott wrote:

> >Caught a (late) promotional infomercial for GM the other night - they
>
> >introduced Olds with the comment "having just celebrated the 100th
> >anniversary, Oldsmobile now looks to heading away from the past into
> the
> >future" (sic), the impression was that Olds is playing catchup to the
>
> >generic trendy import basic car appearances.  Yeah right.  Buick
> sounded
> >more hip with their supercharging, etc.  It was a very anemic
> overview
> >of all of GM actually.
>
> Couldn't agree more.  Sometimes I wonder what the designers at GM are
> smoking..
>
> Ingmar Ott              iao2@cdc.gov
> '77 Cutlass 442
> ---------------
> ---------------------------------------------------------



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Ingmar Ott wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>>Caught a (late) promotional infomercial for GM the
other night - they
<BR>>introduced Olds with the comment "having just celebrated the 100th
<BR>>anniversary, Oldsmobile now looks to heading away from the past into
the
<BR>>future" (sic), the impression was that Olds is playing catchup to
the
<BR>>generic trendy import basic car appearances.&nbsp; Yeah right.&nbsp;
Buick sounded
<BR>>more hip with their supercharging, etc.&nbsp; It was a very anemic
overview
<BR>>of all of GM actually.

<P>Couldn't agree more.&nbsp; Sometimes I wonder what the designers at
GM are
<BR>smoking..

<P>Ingmar
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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:51:14 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: real '72 442

> ----------
> From: Mike Rothe[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 9:32 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: real '72 442
>
> Hmmmm, I'm not disclaiming the viewpoint here, but any old 442 is an
> option.  But the 68-71's were their own model line you say?  Well,
> true,
> but if you look on the build sheets for 69 at least, the W-29 (442)
> option was included as standard equipment.  The little * next to the
> option code signified standard options.  Hmmmm.  Cutlass or no, if it
> has 442 emblems (or decals) on it from the factory, it's a 442 in my
> book. Maybe an exception to this would be the 68-69 H/O.  They have
> 442
> VINs, but no 442 emblems.
>
> "Unless it's a W-30?"  Again. Hmmm.  I thought the W-30 was another
> option which enhanced the '72 W-29 option.  Of the 72 W-30's I've
> seen,
> they all had "Cutlass" on the glovebox.  I assume that you mean that
> is
> the only way to TELL if it came with the 442 option without the build
> sheet....
>
>
>
Well, how does one tell if the emblems came from the factory or added
professionally (done well) later? You can't hence you use what credible
information you can, the VIN code is the best place to look. That's all
right if it's a pre-'72 car (except for the 72 W-30).  If it's not, then
the build sheet is the next best place, but how many build sheets have
you seen to date? Not many, I would guess.

For the '72 W-30 there is no problem, just look for the X in the VIN
code. Other '72 models (Cutlass S) it's just an option. No need to look.
The car has these options, that's it. Take it as a Cutlass with W-29
(442) options. Wether a factory added option or dealer or owner
installed, doesn't make any difference.  The car should be classified as
a Cutlass S with 442 option.

> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St.
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
>
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:54:34 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: real '72 442

> ----------
> From: padavano.joe[SMTP:padavano.joe@Orbital.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 2:55 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re[2]: real '72 442
>
>
> Of the 72 W-30's I've seen, they all had "Cutlass" on the glovebox.
>
>      Yup, that's correct.  'Course, the first thing I did when I got
> my
>      72 years ago was to run down to the dealer and get a 70-71 "442"
>      glovebox emblem.  The holes line right up.
>
>
Joe, you realize what you have done. You now have a "real" "fake"  72
442. Now you've done it!!

> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St.
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 12:47:32 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Buick SSI lookalikes

Mike Schlottman wrote:
>
> What is the difference in the Olds SSI wheels and the Buick wheels
> that
> look just like them?  Can I use one of these wheels of a 69 Buick for
> a
> spare and have it look correct?

No.  Buick's have no taper on the spokes.  The Olds' spokes are wider at
the edge than at the center.

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               The Heartbeat of America... in my mirror

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:03:09 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability

Okay, so obviously my stupid dad who is oblivious to what he's doing,
unhooks something from our computer. Today, just as I loaded my e-mail,
I lost the Hard Drive. So, Just to make sure, I'm reposting this so I
can make sure I get replys.

I am looking at a 1975 Cutlass S as a parts car for my 73 Cutlass
Supreme, I need to know if the following can be swapped:

windshield
door windows
dashboard
wheel well trim
trunklid


What else can be swapped?
Everything but the nose and the tail, right?

+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:03:55 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Questions]

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Didn't see this come through....

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Hi all,

Before I forget, here are some questions I would like to have answered.

1) Are hood latches the same between 68-72 Cutlasses/4-4-2s?
2) Which electric motors work on 68-72 Cutlasses/4-4-2s?  How about
   other models that would work.

Thanks in advance

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 13:05:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

- --Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
<SNIP>I thopught W31's were to have dual xst, in which case no, these
would not be correct. You'd need a W-Z pair. You'd want them in any
event, correct or not.

>>I guess you forgot that W-Z won't fit on a small block :o The left
one will hit the starter....I know....I've tried it before! W31s took
the regular 350 manifolds with the xtra outlet on the RH one capped :)

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:17:06 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Olds Toronado

>Hi!  I'm new to the list.

Welcome! Just so you know, there's a list dedicated specifically to these
fine beasts as well as this general Olds list. The traffic on the other
list is much lighter than here, but is geared specifically toward issues
about the Toronado and their unique body and drivetrain problems.

>I have just bought a '68 Toronado (standard) - and
>I am rather pleased with the engine, I must say.

I've got one in my '70 SX; very nice, very nice (though it's basically the
same engine as installed in other cars, it's got the oiling goodies and the
big valves).

>A few things bother me about
>the car however, th
e most prevalent one being the fact that the surfaces of
>what looks like the bearing or interface between the front wheels and the cv
>joints (haven't pulled the wheels yet - and I am used to rear wheel drive
>chevys) are coated with a thick grease, perhaps they were leaking and just
>patched... can someone give me a few pointers on what I can expect in
terms of
>basic maintenance problems especially with the transmission and cv joint
>assemblies?  I am a little intimidated with that all.  Thank you.

You've got a leaking CV boot; if the boot is not ripped, you might just be
leaking grease past a loose (or missing) band clamp. You can try a
slip-together band, but I've had much better luck with the one-piece
complete-circle bands; you have to remove the spindle to do this, but it's
not too difficult, and you don't even have to disconnect the brake hose.

>Also, I
>have found USA Parts Supply in Manassas, VA, on the net, they seem to have
an
>extensive collection of hard to find parts.  Has anyone had any experience
>with them as a supplier?  Right now I need the motor and gear assembly for
the
>driver's side power window (I think - the window goes only up to about 1/8"
>from the top if you push it, 1/4" if you don't), chrome trim for the
bottom of
>the rear window and weatherstripping for it, a driver's side mirror (it's
>totally broken, cables for the controller are cut, and the little joystick
>thingie was removed), a battery tray, and perhaps the sheet metal assembly
>just under the battery tray - looks like an old unsealed type battery leaked
>out - so if anyone has these parts, you can also let me know!  Thanks a lot.

I've been very satisfied with Olds Parts USA; just make sure you get their
latest catalog, as they tend to adjust their prices (upward) regularly. The
other sources are Kanters, for brake and suspension parts, and Fusick's,
for soft and some hard parts. Lots of other Olds engine mechanical parts
from Year One and suppliers of 442 parts can be used.

>
>- -Tom Conlon
>syseng@msn.com
>
>
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:19:43 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Add-on Airco

>In some car-for-sale adds I see an add-on AC mentioned. My car doesn't
>have an Airco, but I would like one. So does my brother who owns a '56
>98 Holiday 4-door.
>I've looked at Fusicks, USA-parts, Brothers and Year One.
>Where can I get (a good) one?

Vintage Air builds modern systems for the '55-'57 Ch*vy cars that would
probably also work with your '56, as well as systems for the M*libu that
would work with your '64, which would use the R134a. Hot Rod magazine
regularly carries advertisements for these systems, and supposedly they are
slick enough to blend in with the original ducts and such (no huge
under-dash unit hanging by your feet!).
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:26:11 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: point dists wanted?

>TO Charlie or the General or 2WhomItMayConcern:
>
> Whats up with the points Distributers?? Why are they wanted by people
>and what are they being used for?  Are they becoming important for some
>reason?  What are they worth now that there is a demand?

And the General writes:
>Fellow motor heads, restorers, et al....
>
>Regarding my previous thread on point type distributors, I am paying
>$15.00
>US funds , third class postage paid. Trades are always welcome..

Heh... Now people are going to start bidding up the prices of Olds points
distributors ("I'll give you $20"; "No, hey, over here, I'll give you
$30!"), and everyone will start hoarding them and paying outrageous prices
for them, at which point the General will be able to unleash that stash of
distributors he bought up when they were *only* $15.... ;)

Hey, yeah, just thought of something; I'll buy up all your old, unused TVS
units from the front of your manifolds, for $2 apiece, third class postage
paid (lets see how long before the rumor starts that these are extremely
rare units that are absolutely necessary, and worth big $$$...)

General, do you really have some good use for them, or is this some kind of
supply/demand experiment for an economics or marketing class?  ;)
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:34:02 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: vacuum hose diagram for '70 olds 350

>Hi,  I have a '70 olds cutlass conv, with a 350.  I bought
 [snip]
>I haven't been driving it the last 6 months because the
>reg expired and I know it won't pass smog because...
>
>The engine rocks and shakes at idle.  I have done quite
>a bit of research to find the problem with no fixes yet.
>
>Everything was stock until the past weekend. It had the
>stock dist/points, iron intake, rochester 2bbl.
>The compression on the cyls are from 118-135.
>The vaccuum reading was around 16 with no noticable flux.
>The car runs well past idle.

Hmm, what rpm are you trying to set your idle at? You of course realize
that some idle readings (esp. fast idle) are for the car in Park, and
others (hot idle) are usually for the car in drive; but you knew that.

>Over the past weekend, I installed an Edelbrock Performer
>and Holley 4160 4bbl carb and pretty much everything else
>up top, new wires, hoses, gaskets, etc...  I don't think
>it has any leaks, I was very carefull to install with
>proper gaskets, etc...

What is your timing set at? Wrong timing will hurt idle quality.

>Seems to still have the problem...  Gosh I hope it's not
>the valves.

Your compression seems fine; doubt the valves would cause a bad idle; more
likely problems in the higher revs.

>My question is this,  does anyone have a diagram that shows
>correct vacuum hose placement and any emission related
>hose placement?  Since this problem has existed for years
>on this car (according to previous owner) maybe something
>is not "hooked up" properly.  It would be nice if it were
>this simple, but who knows...

Well, you've effectively removed the emissions equipment by swapping your
carb and intake. you need manifold vacuum going to the transmission
modulator, ported manifold vacuum to the distributor, and manifold vacuum
to thermostatic switch on the way to the air cleaner flapper (if you're
using the stock-type unit. The factory setup uses a Thermostatic vacuum
switch which switches from ported to manifold vacuum above a certain
temperature, to keep the engine from overheating at idle, and there is also
a solenoid to prevent vacuum advance in anything but high gear (doesn't
really hurt anything, but it's not necessary), but I imagine that you've
removed these units with the intake swap.

If you have power brakes, your power booster could be leaking; temporarily
plug that connection, and see if anything's different.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:47:58 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Mondello Oldsmobile nats

Does anyone have a copy of the video of the Oldsmobile nats from 95,96 or
97? I'm too cheap to spend the $25 for one from Mondello.Also on a
unrelated note, does anyone have a need for a GM service manual for a '69
olds ( all series ) ? I may have some others laying around, but they are
much newer.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 05:12:49 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S

Kurt,

>Spotted a '68 Cutlass S for sale yesterday.  It is blue (faded to powder
blue) with a blue interior (very clean).>

Where was this car?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:13:28 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

>
>I would like to decode my exhaust manifolds.
>Left
>1 at the top
>38001LH D4 (139)
>
>Right
>398704YRHD5142
>
>They are supposed to be off of a 1970 cutlass w-31. The car has headers
on it
>now. are they the correct ones for a w31 350?
>=======================




>
>I thopught W31's were to have dual xst, in which case no, these would
not be
>correct. You'd need a W-Z pair. You'd want them in any event, correct
or not.
>
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>

I was under the impression that the W-Z manifolds were big block only,
and that the W-31 used the same manifolds as the regular 350 (read
block off cap with dual exhaust). I very well could be wrong. I'm still
new at this Oldsmobile stuff :-)

Brent Pinkstaff
1970 Cutlass S

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:12:09 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: real '72 442

>      Actually, while we're at this, let's not get too caught up in the "my
>      68-71 442 is 'real' and your earlier/later one is not".

I didn't infer that, Joe.  Bob Handren and I got into this somewhat
before on a misunderstanding.  I basically said in my latest post that
ANY Olds that came with 442 on it from the factory is a 442, even though
they were ALL options, some years just standard options, that's all.
Even the four-door '64 442 is a 442.  Heck, a Cutlass WITHOUT the 442
markings is 100 times cooler than any Ch*velle.  If it's got a rocket on
it somewhere, it's cool.

>      (sort of
>      like stamp collectors putting a premium on the mistakes).

Did Olds make mistakes?  Oh yeah, they put bow-ties on them to help
identify them........

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:17:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Gary Manton wrote:

> I know that some time ago there was the blitz on engine additives, but now I
> am curious as to the octane boosters that are on the market.  I have been
> running unleaded 93 octane from Mobil or other named sources, and came
> across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane but it is leaded.  Now for a
> stupid questio    etc.

Gary,
Hey fellow Arizonian.  In my car (with 9.5:1 comp.), I always ran Sunoco
94 octane, until I moved to Arizona.  Unfortunately, there are no Sunocos
out here yet.  What
I do now is add two gallons of 76 100 octane on top of 93 octane, to avoid
detonation.  With the high temperatures here, I don't have much choice.
If I don't go to the only 76 in town with that gas I will add some
booster.  I've tried all kinds and the best I have found is called 108+ or
something.  It is in a metal can and is good for two tanks.  It is the
most potent booster I've found, and I've never had detonation problems
using it.
As for the leaded gas, I have been advised not to use it because it would
clog my catalytic converters.  I didn't even know it was available
anywhere anyway.  I thought it was illegal with all these damn hippy
environmentalists around.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:24:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: header conversion

In a message dated 97-10-21 14:01:58 EDT, you write:

<<
 I have already swapped a 455 into a 79 olds so I know what has to be done
 to swap. I am looking at making a little over 700hp and adding a 300 hp
 nitrous kit so I don't think manifolds would be the way to go with mine. I
 fabricated some headers for the 78 but am looking for some that might look
 a little better :) Thanks for your help.

 Ben >>

Well then, I'm sure Mondello has some headers to fit this application, and
there may be others who do also.  May be worth your while to do a little
looking around first.  You'll get alot of different opinions on which are
best, etc.

Ummmm, one question...  is that 700 HP w/out the juice (to get 1000 HP), or
700 after the juice....?  I'm wondering how well that trans will hold up to
that kind of force....  I'm leaving a TH-350 ("C" version, actually) behind
the 455 I am installing, but I'm leaving the motor basically stock for the
time.  But you, on the other hand, are going to be putting quite a bit of HP,
and torque through that trans (whether it's 700, or 1000 HP...).  I'm not
sure what they will stand when built for racing, but it's something worth
checking on.  I thought I'd heard (so don't hold me to it...) that the TH-350
should hold up ok behind 700 ft-lbs. or less, but I can't remember if that
was built for HP, or not.....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:25:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

Beverly,
Adding to my response before.  I originally had an old Holley 780 on my
403, which seemed to be ideal.  I also tried a new Holley 750, vacuum
2ndaries.  That was a degradation.  Now I have found that a Carter 750 has
performed the best.  I get slightly better gas mileage, better throttle
response, and easier altitude adjustments (I drive my car cross country
twice a year and drive through all kinds of altitudes).  Remember that my
403 is modified and requires a higher cfm.  I would say a 650 would be
good for a stock 403.  Either way, stick with the torquey 403!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 15:04:57 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 403 anyone???

On Fri, 17 Oct 1997 Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:

> 73 350 rocket
> i have a rocket 350 in my posession and i wanted to get rid of it.  i live in
> florida.  i have the block, crank, main caps, cam, and a few other things for
> it.  i was going to junk it, but there's too much there to junk.  it was
> running before i decided to rebuild it.  after i got it apart i found a 403
> for $300 in a car.  i bought the whole car and took the engine and a couple
> other things out of the car.  i put the engine in my 73 cutlass.  after a
> month i decided to change the intake manifold.  then i recently decided to
> put the 350 heads on it.  i can almost give you the motor, if you want it.
>  all you have to do is tell me where to ship it to and pay the shipping
> charges.
>
> mikey tvb@aol.com
> 73 cutlass w/403
>
Send me this engine please!  I have been wanting to attempt my first
engine rebuild.  It would be great if it were an Olds.
I have a Delta 88 that would love some more power!  Please respond.!!!

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 14:59:00 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 84 88 giveaway (almost)

I have an 84 Delta 88 that I would like to get rid of.  The car runs OK.
It has a damaged steering column and a broken side vent window from an
attempted theft.  Bastards.  This car is reliable, and has most options.
It is a Royale Brougham with embroidered seats and everything.
If anyone is interested in trading this car for any American manual speed
trans. car, give me an email.  All I ask is that the car will last for at
least two months.  4 speed, 5 speed, whatever.  GM is preffered, but not
necessary.  I am in Tucson, AZ and will travel halfway.
Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:57:21 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Dread cam bank angle question

Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower rpm
range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that it
really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.

Thanks,
Ken

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:04:00 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Front Springs for a 65 Cutlass

DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-10-18 11:39:40 EDT, you write:
>
> << I got mine at National Parts Depot for my SX convertible...they
>  were almost half the price....its great that all "A" bodies are
>  interchangable on frame and suspension parts >>
>
> Hi Hoagie -
>
> Thanks for the response.  What's the phone ª at National Parts Depot?
>
>hey tom,National Parts Depot has stores all over the
country.....michigan-1-800-521-6104 or 1-313-591-1956......North
Carolina-1-800-368-6451 or 1-704-331-0900...Calif-1-800-235-3445 or
1-805-654-0468......Florida-1-800-874-7595 or 1-352-378-2473....thats
all of them...Hoagie

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:10:53 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: Olds Toronado

Welcome welcome.  I'm certain someone will point you  in the direction of
the Toro list - however, your luckier then I am - I need a driver side
standard mirror and all parts cars out there have the da*n remote ones!!
So you'll be able to find that easy enough, trust me!  Keep me in mind if
you come across a standard one.

As for the rest of your questions, I am currently waiting for my '66 owners
manual to arrive.  Then if you don't get the answers from someone on the
Toro list, let me know & I'll research what you need.

Good luck & you will enjoy this car.
Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 16:05:45 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Values

Thanks much - if these are accurate I'm actually ahead a bit on them all :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:17:52 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: xman W31 decoding

 I would like to decode my exhaust manifolds.
>Left
>1 at the top
>38001LH D4 (139)
>
>Right
>398704YRHD5142
>
>They are supposed to be off of a 1970 cutlass w-31. The car has headers on
it
>now. are they the correct ones for a w31 350?

Not sure about the W31, but 398704 is the standard RH manifold found on
68-73 Delta 88s

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:29:07 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Bucket seats

I need bucket seats for a 70 cutlass. I guess they wouldn't HAVE to be from
a 70 just something similar. Somewhere in IL would be best because shipping
might be cost prohibitive.

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:32:29 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> Spotted a '68 Cutlass S for sale yesterday.
> It is blue (faded to powder blue) with a blue interior (very clean).
> No A/C, radio delete, SSI (tires dry rotting), has surface rust on the
> roof and passenger side, but the body is very straight and solid.  Front
> bumper need work and the rear bumper has some small dents.
>
> Now the fun part, sign on the car says 15,000 original miles, must sell
> $4900 obo.  Sounds like the overpriced cars at Carlisle.
>
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

we have 1 of those on the lot where I work at, its a 1968 cutlass S
convertible, southern car of course...extremely solid...could use some
paint....major swirl marks from all the buffing on this puppie...numbers
matching 350-4V...powerslider 2 speed auto....column shift...bench
seat...top is in good shape...and interior is too.think the rear
end is either 3.23 or 3.43..SSII wheels......tires are decent...power
steering...power drum brakes...the price is $5995.00 price negotiable
since we have had it for quite some time....best thing is it used to
belong to the owners wifes....dad...if anyone is interested..its in
greenwood sc...PHª1-864-998-4036..if I didn't already have so many
projects around here...I'd scoop this 1 up...beleive me its clean enough
to do a frame up on...no bondo whatsoever...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:40:16 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

chris smetana wrote:
>
> >  but someone show me an inspiring "new" car.  By inspiring I
> > >mean bold looks/apperance, power (even brute power), a car that does NOT
> > >look like a Japaneese creation.  Sure, all the clean air laws put a
>
> How 'bout a Firehawk, or even the WS-6 Formula, a Saleen Mustang or the
aforementioned Viper. > There's always a 'vette > > Chris Smetana > Terre
Haute, IN > chris@abcs.com > > 1969 Cutlass W-31 > plus others > > C:\DOS >
C:\DOS\RUN > RUN\DOS\RUN


DUH...have you seen the 98 trans am blackbird edition?...GAWD it's
beautiful...I like it better than the 98 camaro's by far...and..its
comes with the venomous LT-1 with a 6 speed and it gets decent MPG
considering its packing 305 hp under the hood...sounds like rolling
testosterone...Hoagie

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:07:00 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

>I know that some time ago there was the blitz on engine additives, but now I
>am curious as to the octane boosters that are on the market.  I have been
>running unleaded 93 octane from Mobil or other named sources, and came
>across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane but it is leaded.  Now for a
>stupid question, what would happen if I put that in my tank
Gary M. Manton

If the car normally uses unleaded fuel, the catalytic converter(expensive) will
be ruined.



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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:11:24 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S

David, Terri and Rob wrote:
>
> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> >
> > Spotted a '68 Cutlass S for sale yesterday.
> > It is blue (faded to powder blue) with a blue interior (very clean).
> > No A/C, radio delete, SSI (tires dry rotting), has surface rust on the
> > roof and passenger side, but the body is very straight and solid.  Front
> > bumper need work and the rear bumper has some small dents.
> >
> > Now the fun part, sign on the car says 15,000 original miles, must sell
> > $4900 obo.  Sounds like the overpriced cars at Carlisle.
> >
> > --
> > Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> > 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
> we have 1 of those on the lot where I work at, its a 1968 cutlass S
> convertible, southern car of course...extremely solid...could use some
> paint....major swirl marks from all the buffing on this puppie...numbers
> matching 350-4V...powerslider 2 speed auto....column shift...bench
> seat...top is in good shape...and interior is too.think the rear
> end is either 3.23 or 3.43..SSII wheels......tires are decent...power
> steering...power drum brakes...the price is $5995.00 price negotiable
> since we have had it for quite some time....best thing is it used to
> belong to the owners wifes....dad...if anyone is interested..its in
> greenwood sc...PHª1-864-998-4036..if I didn't already have so many
> projects around here...I'd scoop this 1 up...beleive me its clean enough
> to do a frame up on...no bondo whatsoever...


oooppppssssss.......Phª is 864-229-0010...Hoagie.....

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:22:02 -0600 (MDT)
From: Timothy Rudolph <trudolph@holly.ColoState.EDU>
Subject: help

help

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:08:43 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: You'll all laugh...

OK, I'm gonna tell you all the story of how I recently tested my 86
Cutlass 307 to see how it'd run with an open aircleaner to take in cold
air from the engine compartment. MOST people would just turn their stock
cover upside down, but for me to do this, there isn't enough hood
clearance...hmmm, what is one to do w/o spending any money? Well...upon
looking around my house, and being a poor college student, I need to go
cheap...I found an unused drywall bucket lid...after looking at it, I
drilled a hole in the center and put it on top of the filter and screwed
it down...now thats enginuity!
The car does seem to run w/ a little more pep, especially at cruising
speeds...I can definetly hear the engine more, but now I know just how
puny 7A heads are, the engine even sounds small for a 5.0 liter! The
funny thing is, the bottom of the stock housing is still hooked up so
you can hear the vacuum lines and all kick in when the throttle opens
up...the only trouble I have is I need to let it warm up a little longer
now...
Just thought you'd all get a kick out of the bucket lid part...and it
has gotten nowhere near hot enough to melt either!

John

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:10:10 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: A trade

chris smetana wrote:
>
> > from a 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 CU IN engine.  I am looking for an even
> > up trade for a correct numbers 4V manifold and carb for my 72 Cutlass
>
> Joe, what size engine is the intake for you're looking for?  I have a 455.
>
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> chris@abcs.com
>
> 1969 Cutlass W-31
> plus other
>
> C:\DOS
> C:\DOS\RUN
> RUN\DOS\RUN
Chris,

The engine is a 350.

Joe

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:10:11 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: header conversion

Hooker makes a set, but they're pretty pricey

- ----------
> From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: header conversion
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 5:04 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-10-21 01:28:35 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  I am currently in the process of putting a 69' 455 into a mid 80's
>  cutlass. My question is does anyone know where I can buy a set of
headers
>  that will fit?
>
>  Ben Cook
>
>   >>
> Oh yeah, one thing I forgot to respond to.  There are headers made for
this
> applicatioin, but from what I hear, it decreases your turning radius (and
> takes up alot of room).  Myself, I'm opting for stock exhaust manifold
through
> dual exhaust (2 1/2 in pipes).  That'll be an easy set-up to dea with,
and not
> cause problems like headers will.
>
> Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:13:34 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

mrada wrote:
>
> Boogah Wolfe wrote:
>
> > What is the criteria for "good" vs "very good" vs "fine" etc...
>
> 6 Parts Car:  May or may not be running, but is weathered, wrecked and/
>               or stripped to the point of being useful primarily for
>               parts.
>
> 5 Restorable: Needs COMPLETE restoration of body, chassis and interior.
>               May or may not be running, but isn't weathered, wrecked or
>               stripped to the point of being useful only for parts.
>
> 4 Good:       A driveable vehicle needing no or only minor work to be
>               functional.  Also, a deteriroated restoration or a very
>               poor amateur restoration.  All components may need
>               restoration to be "excellent," but the car is mostly
>               useable "as is".
>
> 3 Very Good: Completely operable original or "older restoration"
>              showing wear.  Also a good amateur restoration, all
>              presentable and serviceable inside and out.  Plus,
>              combinations of well-done restoration and good operable
>              components or a partialy restored car with all parts
>              necessary to complete and/or valuable NOS parts.
>
> 2 Fine:      Well-restored, or a combination of superior restoration
>              and excellent original.  Also an EXTREMELY well-maintained
>              original showing very minimal wear.
>
> 1 Excellent: Restored to current maximum professional standards of
>              quality in every area, or perfect original with components
>              operating and appearing as new.  A 96-plus point show car
>              that is not driven.
>
> This is what the book says.
>
> Chris


Do you happen to have the values for 70-72 Cutlass Supreme?

Thanks
Joe

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:11:56 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet

NAPA has them.

- ----------
> From: Steven Saraceno <steven@purplemonkey.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Quadrajet
> Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 7:04 PM
>
> Can anyone tell me if I can purchase only the gasket for my '70 4bl
> quadrajet.  The one in the front where the fuel filter goes.  It must be
> about an inch in diameter.  I assume I can use any gasket that is for a
> fuel line that is the approximate size.
>
> Steven

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:55:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Carb identification...

When I bought my 455 for the Cutlass, it came with a carb on it, but it's not
what was originally on the motor (it is originally a 2 bbl. motor).  Could
someone please help me identify the carb I have (by the numbers), that way I
have an idea of what it may have came from, and what jets, etc. are supposed
to be in it, etc.

Carb. ª: 17059272

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 19:27:53 -0600
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Fw: molding removal

Still looking for some help with this one.  Anyone... Anyone...
Travis Adams
65 442 post

- ----------
> From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: molding removal
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 1997 8:10 PM
>
> Okay everyone.  I just started stripping down my 65 442 post for the
> winter.  Hoping it turns into a real uneventful body-off resto (yeah
> right).  So does anyone know how to get the drip rail molding off?  I am
at
> a loss.  Also has anyone else had a problem with the driver's side rear
> pillar cracking at the top?  I am talking serious stress fracture in the
> metal.  There isn't even any rust in the area of the crack.  I have been
> told that alot of the old BOP cars had this problem.  Can someone
> elaborate?
>
> Thanks,
> Travis Adams
> 65 442 post

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:43:13 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Kurt,
>
> >Spotted a '68 Cutlass S for sale yesterday.  It is blue (faded to powder
> blue) with a blue interior (very clean).>
>
> Where was this car?

Frederick, MD
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:41:49 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: AGAIN!!!!: 1973-75 Interchangeability

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Okay, so obviously my stupid dad who is oblivious to what he's doing,
> unhooks something from our computer. Today, just as I loaded my e-mail,
> I lost the Hard Drive. So, Just to make sure, I'm reposting this so I
> can make sure I get replys.
>
> I am looking at a 1975 Cutlass S as a parts car for my 73 Cutlass
> Supreme, I need to know if the following can be swapped:
>
> windshield
> door windows
> dashboard
> wheel well trim
> trunklid
>
> What else can be swapped?
> Everything but the nose and the tail, right?

Now, that wasn't very nice!  You called your dad "stupid"; he's only the
one who fathered you and raised and supported you through your childhood.
AND...you think he unplugged the hard drive or did something to create a
similar effect and now, "I'm reposting this so I
can make sure I get replys."!!  AND...after that poor display of manners,
you "need to know[...]" and you don't even say "thanks" at the end.
SHEESH!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:46:14 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Emissions...

> I live in Maryland too and have a 1972 Cutlass. The engine is a 2bbl 350
> with 46,000 miles, and these were the numbers:
>
> Hydrocarbons: 204 ppm, State standard 500 ppm
> Carbon Monoxide: 0.00 pct, State standard 6.00 pct
> Oxides of Nitrogen: n/a, n/a
> Carbon Dioxide: 14.5 pct, State standard 6.0 pct
>
> Charles Sullivan

If you live in MD, and the car is a '72, why did you go through emission
testing?

- --
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71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 18:50:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: California events

Our annual  NOR CAL OLDS club show is usually the third weekend of Sept
every year. In Vallejo.

OH well
On Mon, 13 Oct 1997, Brad Bowles wrote:

> Curtis Ratica wrote:
> >
> > william goodnight wrote:
> > >
> > > I am considering a quick trip to see family in the Bay Area of California
in > > > the next few weeks.  Does anyone know of any OCA or Rod & Custom 
events
near > > > the end of Oct.? > > > Bill Goodnight > > > Goodnight & Associates,
Inc. > > > idaholc@primenet.com > > > Boise, Idaho > > > > I Live here in
Fremont (Bay Area) California, and would love > > to go to some car show that
has some olds'.  If you here of > > any please let me know, and likewise. > > >
> Curtis Ratica > > '70 C/S Conv > > Me Too!!! > I live in Napa, just finish a
complete restoration of my daily > driver/show/race car.  Would like to enter
it.  Let us know please of > any upcoming events in bay area! > Thanks > Brad >
70 442 >

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:08:19 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Another Olds Song?

There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right now (I
live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played a song that
goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."  Could this be in reference
to the Olds rocket?  Didn't Olds put "Sky Rocket" on it's air cleaner
stickers in the 50's?  Just a wild guess...probably no connection.  Thanks.
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:20:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Padnos rules!

Padnos rules!
Sitting atop the "nails" bin today was a Qjet... ª7028251... in good shape.
Got that, an air cleaner, and another of them aluminum decal cutter? sheets
with a horseless carriage on it.

Wish I could go there more often.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:21:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: DipYourWic@aol.com
Subject: 307 man here.

Hello it's me I would like to Know everything to do with the 83 cutlass and
it's perfromace engine the 307 Y and 9. I will forever be a cutlass man being
that this was the first car I drove and the only car I drive everyday it is a
very fun car to drive it can tear a mustang a new rear with a bad tranny.
Poor 5.slow . But anyway I was wondering if any information could be sent to
me on were to go on the internet to get info on this wonderful car. the only
place I know of is 442.com . Also could any information be sent to me using
e-mail about how to improve this already great car.

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Date: 21 Oct 1997 10:27:50 -0700
From: "Mike Gardner" <Mike_Gardner@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

        Reply to:   RE>Octane booster

Hi Gary,

I always use a lead additive in my '70 455 and occasionally use octane
boosters.  The lead additive is necessary, of course, because my engine does
not have hardened valve seats and relies on the lead to prevent valve damage.
The octane booster seems to get rid of my pre-ignition "pinging" under hard
acceleration which would make sense since my rated compression ratio is
10.25:1 and was therefore designed for higher octane gasoline.

Your '64 394 Dynamic 88 would also need leaded gas and would probably benefit
from the higher octane, especially, if you are experiencing some pre-ignition
"pinging".

It may be cheaper for me to use the Union 76 leaded, 103 octane fuel than mess
with the additives.  Where is it located in the valley?  Do you recall the
price?

By the way, have you been noticing the Olds postings about the people up north
and out east storing and winterizing their Oldsmobiles?-poor guys.  We're just
beginning 9 glorious months of street cruising.  Turn off the AC and roll down
the top, it's time for Arizona cruising season!

Thanks,
Mike
'70 455 Delta 88 conv.
Cruising the Valley of the Sun

- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/20/97 5:48 PM
To: Mike Gardner
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
I know that some time ago there was the blitz on engine additives, but now I
am curious as to the octane boosters that are on the market.  I have been
running unleaded 93 octane from Mobil or other named sources, and came
across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane but it is leaded.  Now for a
stupid question, what would happen if I put that in my tank, and second,
what is the general consensus about the octane boosters?

G
          \\|//
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~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:30:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 394 for the guy needs one

1964 394 2 bbl High Compression
Ran fine when removed from car in 1980. Stored in Heated Garage Since. Turns
Over
 fine
$100 Dollars. Arlington Massachusettes. 617-646-0613
==============================
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:29:08 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

Heard about a 1999 Chrysler 300-M today; direct from Chrysler Eng.
Execs. Do you think it might have dual quads? :-)

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>


>
>> Just to add a little more salt to the wound:
>> Ford is working on re-releasing the 1956 Thunderbird as a new car
in the
>> year 2000.  It would not be 100% 1956, as it would have to be year
2000
>> legal, but maybe OLDSMOBILE will hear rumor and start working on
one of OUR
>> classics for new release.
>
>Hmmm... anyone remember that weird mini-series a couple of years ago,
>_Wild Palms_?  It was set a few years from now (like in, oh say,
2001),
>and yet everyone was driving cars like '56 T-Birds and 1st generation
Vettes.
>Maybe the producers were onto something....
>
>
>
>Tim Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:32:55 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list

Andy,
Haven't seen any Spam at all for weeks.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green <acg@dlogics.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 6:52 AM
Subject: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list


>Greg, I'm hoping someone at chebucto can figure out how this slime
>is still getting onto the list after we closed it.
>
>Anyway, I'm ignoring the return addresses on both these spams as
>they are usually forged anyway. The contact information is the best
>we can do here. As for the "Hello, thought you should see this" one
>pitching a pyramid scheme:
>
>> Crown Industries
>> 1630 North Main St. Suiteª 310
>> Walnut Creek,  CA  94596
>
>This is actually Mailboxes Etc. franchise ª164, 1630 N. Main St.,
>Walnut Creek, CA  94596-4609; Phone: (510)934-9318 Fax:
(510)934-0287.
>Most likely the spammer rented a box just for a month; you are not
>likely to actually receive anything.
>
>As for the "million dollar" spammer at (317) 885-1357 advertising
>fake $1,000,000 bills, if someone local to area code 317 feels like
>trying to coax a mailing address out of them, I can trace that.
>
>Now returning you to local Olds discussion...
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 21:45:12 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Original Rally Wheel Colors

Does anyone know what the original Rallye Wheel Rim Colors would bee
for a Blue 1977 Cutlass Supreme? I can get the VIN ª if that helps or
not. Also, whatever the originaly color may be, does anyone know
where or how to get ahold of paint that matches that color or can get
close to it anyway. Right now I just use spray paint, but, would like
a change.

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 22:45:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: header conversion

Thats 700hp beore the laughing gas. It should be making between 600 and
700 hp. The trans should hold but only time will tell. If it won't then I
guess I'll be putting something else behind it :) Do you know the email or
phone number for the place you speak of? I thought about going with a big
block Chevrolet but thought I would stick with the real deal.

Thanks
Ben

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-21 14:01:58 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  I have already swapped a 455 into a 79 olds so I know what has to be done
>  to swap. I am looking at making a little over 700hp and adding a 300 hp
>  nitrous kit so I don't think manifolds would be the way to go with mine. I
>  fabricated some headers for the 78 but am looking for some that might look
>  a little better :) Thanks for your help.
>
>  Ben >>
>
> Well then, I'm sure Mondello has some headers to fit this application, and
> there may be others who do also.  May be worth your while to do a little
> looking around first.  You'll get alot of different opinions on which are
> best, etc.
>
> Ummmm, one question...  is that 700 HP w/out the juice (to get 1000 HP), or
> 700 after the juice....?  I'm wondering how well that trans will hold up to
> that kind of force....  I'm leaving a TH-350 ("C" version, actually) behind
> the 455 I am installing, but I'm leaving the motor basically stock for the
> time.  But you, on the other hand, are going to be putting quite a bit of HP,
> and torque through that trans (whether it's 700, or 1000 HP...).  I'm not
> sure what they will stand when built for racing, but it's something worth
> checking on.  I thought I'd heard (so don't hold me to it...) that the TH-350
> should hold up ok behind 700 ft-lbs. or less, but I can't remember if that
> was built for HP, or not.....
>
> Chris Ruper
>

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