
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, November 11 1997      Volume 01 : Number 948



UNBOUNCE: Stolen Car
STolen car VIN
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: I NEED HELP
Re: 455 Flexplate onto 400/425
UNBOUNCE: Stolen Olds VIN
70 W-30
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
70 W-30 incorrect #'s
no subject
Re: '84 Cruise Control
Fuel pump
Re: Post '72 12-bolt rear-end
Headliner Replacement
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: Headliner Replacement
Re: I NEED HELP
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: Post '72 12-bolt rear-end
Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....
rearend
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: 12" Disc brake donor cars for 67 a-body????
Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale
Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: rearend
Re: Headliner Replacement
A Night At The Races
Used Cars
Re: I NEED HELP
Re: Headliner Replacement
Re: A Night At The Races
Re: rearend
Stereo
paint color
Junk yard Find
Re: A Night At The Races
Re: Junk yard Find
Cooling topics
Re: Journey to Chi-town
Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale
Re: Conv. frame
Re: Greetings
Re: A Night At The Races
Re: Tires !
Re: '84 Cruise Control
The Day After (Stolen car follow up)

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 18:17:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Stolen Car

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
To:	Olds mailing list <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Stolen Car

Well, I waited too long to go out and install a security system.

My baby, 1986 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops, new paint and engine last year, 
was STOLEN today from work.  Parked it at  9:30 this morning and went to 
leave at 3:30 pm and it was gone.

Turns out a blazer parked nearby had a window punched out and camera stolen, 
I told him he was lucky.  The car is silver, with T-tops, alloy wheels, 
class two hitch (don't ask), Ohio license plates 4WINNS.  New paint, bucket 
seats, console, no pinstriping or side door molding.  If seen please contact 
Dublin Police (614) 761-6530.

Then called my insurance agent and he asked which car, the olds or my wifes 
97 Tarus, I told him the cutlass and he said "Why would anyone want to steal 
that car", WHat an **sh*l*e.

I remember a couple of months ago that someone had a car stolen and had fun 
with the insurance company.  I will check the FAQ to see if details made it 
on, but if he is still on and can e-mail me privately with any suggestions 
it would be appreciated, please send any other suggestions privately also, 
no reason to waste bandwidth on this one  :(

Thanks guys, Oh by the way, I am looking for an 84-87 olds cutlass 442 or 
H/O with t-tops.  Might as well move up.

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
Formerly a 86 Olds Cutlass Salon

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 97 14:39:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: STolen car VIN

Sorry guys forget VIN on the 86 Cutlass is 1G36k47Y3GR359263

It was stolen from Dublin, Ohio  suburb of Columbus, Ohio

Thanks for your help

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:36:39 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

Trevor Lee wrote:
 (The Balancing Act, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA,
> 1(905)685-5182) and so he did my work super cheap - told me that the amount of money I spent on the machining work and


Is that near the GM Engine Plant in St. Catherines? I have been there
twice recently.

> theory.  I really am fondling the idea of doing an Olds motor (I've been thinking about it for a while, actually) and recently after thumbing through the '97 GM Performance Parts catalogue I was thinking about the Olds DRCE (Drag Race
> Competition Engine).  It'll even take the cheaper BB Chev internals like a nice LS-6 crank and nice long rods, etc. GM's got both cast & aluminum blocks available.

If I am not mistaken I think the DRCE block shares similarities with a
Chevy design, as in having a bolt pattern to accept Chevy Heads.
> 
> > competion's like there, but I'd assume it's not too serious.  Go with a
> > more aggressive gear in back (2:41?  What was Olds thinking!)  3.23's
> > are good, that's what I run, and it's borderline for highway runs.  I'd
> > like an overdrive, but that's neither here nor there.  I wouldn't want
> > to go any higher than that (numerically) cuz it's a really good gear.
> > Maybe a 3.42 would be a good choice too, you can still drive that.
> 
>         2.41, heck that's nothing - some of 'em came with 2.29s!!!!  ICKY!!!  But to tell you the truth, one thing that really attracted my attention to the Chevy drivetrain was the 700R4 transmission.  I've been told that the 200R4 overdrive transmission wouldn't even DREAM about taking 500+lb/ft of torque even with a performance rebuild kit.

It will with the proper $$$$. I know a few GN guys with seriously built
200R4's making over 500 ft /lbs, running low 11's. What you need is the
new 4L80E 6-speed automatic. Can take a punishment and has all the gears
of a manual T-56. 

>         Another idea I was toying with was taking a road trip next year and perhaps picking up another Cutlass around this year from somewhere in the southern 'States that's got no rust (mine was a Canadian-winter driven car up 'til 2 years ago - YUCK!)  Then I could just swap the interior and what have you from my current one into the rustless Cutlass.

You don't have to go far. I have several 73-77's in my salvage yard and
I have a rust free 75 Hurst/Olds project car. 

> 
>         No probs, Charley.  I really appreciate your honest yet friendly point of view.  I don't think I'll have a problem with any "abuse" I may undergo.  Although I'm not too concerned about mixing GM parts, I can respect that some people are.  After all, this is an OLDSMOBILE mailing list, so I guess I did kinda walk into the lion's den parading around with a bowtie under my hood, eh?

Gotta watch Charlie, he has been teasing me for sometime and I had to
have counseling over it..he would walk 500 miles before he had to drive
a Chevy ;-) ;-) ;-) 

> 
> TO ALL YOU OLDSMOBILE "FANATICS" (I only use that term for lack of a better one, nothing derogatory meant) I seriously am considering transplanting an Oldsie motor into the Cutlass, but I just gotta deal with what I got at the moment and save up a bit of dough

Ahh don't let em sway you, do what you want. You want a serious motor
fresh out of the crate get a new LS1..all aluminum, 346 c.i., 6 bolt
main caps!  A few new 98 Z28's are running 13.1 @ 109 with only a K&N
filter. Stick some drag radials on it and you have a high 12 sec car off
the showroom floor with a 3yr/30,000 mile warranty. I love all makes of
cars but am more of a Chevy/Olds fan. I am going to start my 455 Olds
build up soon for my 80 Olds drag car I plan to run next racing season.

>I very much look forward to being an active part of this list and hope my temporary Bowtie "handicap" won't prevent that.

It won't, there are only a few super anal retentive people here :-) 

- --- 
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 DCM Impala SS	80 Olds 442 W-30 (for sale)
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4	75 Hurst/Olds W-25 (for sale)

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:04:30 -0700
From: Jono_Kohan@Sonymusic.Com
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP

I am looking for a center cap hubcap for my 66 Toronado.  Can anyone help
me here????  I only need 1.

Thanks

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:21:22 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: 455 Flexplate onto 400/425

DON'T waste your time, go find the correct flexplate. I tried this with a
350 flexplate on a 330 motor. MAJOR balance problem !!! I found a
flexplate off of a 425 and used it with great success !!!

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:52:11 -0500 (EST) COUPEKING@aol.com writes:
>There was a thread here awhile back--'the Rocket Scientist' maybe- 
>about
>modifying a 455 flexplate to fit the older 400/425 blocks. Am in need 
>of a
>400 flex plate and have several 455 units already.
>
>Can anybody help?
>Peter
>CoupeKing@aol.com
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:33:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Stolen Olds VIN

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: STolen car VIN


Sorry guys forget VIN on the 86 Cutlass is 1G36k47Y3GR359263

It was stolen from Dublin, Ohio  suburb of Columbus, Ohio

Thanks for your help

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 17:56:33 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: 70 W-30

Hey I just saw an add in the Chicago area for a 70 W30 its a fake
(336870M...)but it is a southern car in "mint" condition.  W-27 rear,
W-25 hood, SSI's, cut out bumper, red fenderwells.  Asking 6K.  I will
go see it.  Anyone interested or should I just buy it myself.  I'd like
the interior, but don't really need anything else.  Don't know anything
about the engine.

Steven
70 442 conv
93 SHO MTX
94 SHO ATX

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:16:37 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

Who's Trever Lee ?

- ----------
> 
> Trevor Lee wrote:
>  (The Balancing Act, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA,
> > 1(905)685-5182) and so he did my work super cheap - told me that the
amount of money I spent on the machining work and

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:25:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

I have just restored a 57 holiday sedan.  I have several parts from a parts
car.  I am interested in a J-2.  Where are you located???

54 olds
57 olds
64 442 conv't

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:31:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Djbrand407@aol.com
Subject: 70 W-30 incorrect #'s

    I'm looking at a W-30 to buy and all the #'s check out other than the
transmission and differential. 
    The transmission tag says "OG" instead of "OW". What is the difference
and can the "OG" be upgraded? I was told that the only difference between the
two is that the "OG" does not have the quick shift kit in it. Is that
correct?
    The rear end has the wrong stamp. (SE) This car does not have posi and
should. Are the correct differentials available. I can live with any ratio
but it needs to be  correct with posi.    Please HELP!!!  

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:32:20 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: no subject

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:41:56 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '84 Cruise Control

Tom,

The hose that goes in thru the fire wall goes to the vacuum release valve
that is acutated by th brake pedal when you apply the brakes. It should be
located just above the brake light switch.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d


At 03:08 AM 11/10/97 +0000, you wrote:
>The cruise control on my '84 H/O isn't working correctly.  

 Instead, I found that the larger hose from the
>cruise control goes into some split wire-loom and then down through the
firewall
>below the power brake booster.  Can anyone explain to me what this hose is for?
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:44:08 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Fuel pump

Tonite I installed a new fuel pump on my 69 442.  When I started up the
engine there was a mild squealing noise....so I reinstalled it again. 
Same noise.  Never had this problem before.  The noise was not there
before I put the pump in.  Anyone got any ideas.  Actually sounds like a
bearing noise.  I'll probably feel real stupid when I get responses. 
Wayne

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:38:26 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Post '72 12-bolt rear-end

> Hmm...that's not good...that means that my quest to find a 12-bolt
>'73-'77 axle will not come to a successful completion, will it?  Well, how
strong
>are the 10-bolt ones?  How strong can they be made?  I don't wanna have to be
>yankin it every other week with 500+lb/ft going through it.
>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>

I wouldn't worry at all about using a 10 bolt.. I've been running about 400
lb/ft through my 8.2 for about 2 years with absolutley no problem. The 8.5
in. 10 bolt has the same diameter pinion as the 12 bolt version does. The
ring gear is a little smaller however (.375 in.) For an exhaustive review
about the subject check out May 1997 Hot Rod. The article shows Dave
Henninger running his 930 hp chevy through a 10 bolt rearend.

The best advice the article suggests is to preload the gears before you
hammer it off the line....

Hope this helps...


T. H. Shires			81 CSB Rckt 350

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:59:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Headliner Replacement

I saw "Shadetree Mechanic" yesterday and one of the things they did was 
to replace the headliner on a pickup. It was the same dreaded foam-backed 
fuzzy cloth that is notorious for separating from the backer.

I know everything they do on that show looks easy, but this really did
seem not too hard. They removed the old headliner assembly -- just held in
with clips -- separated the old material from the cardboard backer,
cleaned the backer, and applied spray adhesive before carefully smoothing
the replacement into place. They didn't say where they got the replacement
material though. Anyone here in the upholstery business that knows if this
stuff is readily available? 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:18:47 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

> Gotta watch Charlie, he has been teasing me for sometime 

And ~ain't~ gonna stop, either!!!   ;)

and I had to
> have counseling over it..he would walk 500 miles before he had to
> drive
> a Chevy ;-) ;-) ;-)

Yeah, got a helluva workout carrying all my parts cars here from Havre. 
Wouldn't use my parent's che*y to pull the trailer, ya know.  I got
kinda buff out of the deal...   Honest!  (OK, I'm lying, I did use it,
and I'm as out of shape as I've ever been...  :)


> It won't, there are only a few super anal retentive people here :-)


Who, me???   :)  I try...


Someone else wrote:


> Who's Trever Lee ?

He's the new guy, "Screech."  Getting some heat over his big block che*y
(mostly from me ;)


- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:25:34 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Headliner Replacement

separated the old material from the cardboard backer,
> cleaned the backer, and applied spray adhesive before carefully
> smoothing
> the replacement into place. They didn't say where they got the
> replacement
> material though.

Most upholstery suppliers have stuff called "headliner material" that
works awesome for just that...  I've done a few in the past, actually
not tough at all.  Some require a bit of extra work.  Like the backing
panels that are cracked up, etc.  I've patched many with just duct tape,
but some are more stubborn.  When cleaning, you need to make sure that
~all~ of the old foam is ~completely~ cleaned off.  Can't have any left,
or you'll risk a repeat failure.  Helps to clean with wax&grease remover
too.  The new material stretches easily, but it's best to take your
time.  Lay the material over the backing, and fold half of it back. 
Apply the adhesive (depending on brands) on both surfaces, and then fold
it back over, forming it into place.  Now repeat for the other half.  
Leave some material hanging over the edges.  While most headliners are
cut flush, I've seen some that left huge gaps between the interior
panels and the headliner.  Trust me, I learned ~that~ one from
experience.  On a che*y, of course ;)  Most are cut flush with the
backing, but it only takes once.  Dealer cost on the material for that
impala was close to $50, so you want to respect the stuff a bit.  The
material is a foam backed cloth so you don't have to worry about gluing
~that~ together.

- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 19:28:30 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP

> I am looking for a center cap hubcap for my 66 Toronado.  Can anyone
> help
> me here????  I only need 1.

I think I have one.  I'll double check next time I make it to the
farm--could be a while.  It's available, if I do.  Don't know what shape
it's in, though.

Sony Music, eh?   Work for them, or is it just an ISP?  Just curious.

Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:45:36 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

At 09:29 AM 11/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The shift to O.D. in a 200-4R / 3.73 combination should be around 28-32 mph
>at part throttle according to the service manual..  My 1987 442 with this
>combination stock shifts at 29 mph.  The governor should NOT be changed
>with a rear axle change.  The transmission shifts at a specific output
>shaft RPM which is basically directly related to engine RPM.  By changing
>the rear axle, the speed (MPH) at which this shift occurs is different, but
>the output shaft/engine speed is still the same.  The only time you want to
>change a governor calibration is if you want to change the engine RPM shift
>points or if you change something between the engine and the output shaft
>such as internal gear ratios or torque converter "K" ratio (basically stall
>speed).
>
>BTW - I get around 16-17 MPG in town and 22-24 mpg on the highway with my
>442 (307 H.O./3.73/200-4R/P215-65R15)
>
>Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
>Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
>The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
>statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
>'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
>'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  
>


ok, take three... Win95 apparently has a couple of bugs...

My apologies for the error.. I was thinking about my shift point
problems... I installed a 3.73 rear gear and the decided I needed a 200r4
so I had my local shop build one up for me.. Many, many hp parts and a
trans-go kit were installed. I had a higher stall converter installed that
stalls out at "about" 2600 rpm. My problem is that at WOT the tranny
shifted at 3000 rpm. With a little work the tranny shop got it up to 3200
rpm. They told me that was the maximum it would go. This is still not very
helpful on a 1/4 run. It is the governor that needs to be replaced though?
Just want to verify that. I've never torn down a transmission - nor ever
care to, but how much does the transmission need torn down to swap the
governor - so I don't get ripped off at the shop? What govenor do I need to
replace it with? (since the transmission shop thinks I'm completely ignorant)

Thanks for your help,



T. H. Shires			81 CSB Rckt 350

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:56:18 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

> Who's Trever Lee ?

        Plunk an "o" in place of that 2nd "e" and it'd be ME!  =B)  Hiya!!
I just joined the OML about 4-5 days ago.  I live in Canada (very near
Niagara Falls).  As you can see in my signature I've got a '76 Olds Cutlass
Supreme Brougham.  That's who I am.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:04:37 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

Tracy H. Shires wrote:
> 
> 
> ok, take three... Win95 apparently has a couple of bugs...

Steps to solve this problem:

1) Unplug all hardware, computer, monitor, keyboard, mouse, joysticks,
etc.

2) Take every component of your computer and find the tallest building
in your area.

3) Walk to the roof and lean over, computer components still in hand.

4) Extend arms over edge of building. Make sure arms clear roof.

5) Let go of computer components. CAUTION: Make sure no one is standing
below you, expect a loud crash and many broken pieces to scatter over
the ground.

6) Grab the nearest MacMall or MacWarehouse you can find.

7) Use a major credit card such as MasterCard, Visa, or American
Express, and BUY A MACINTOSH.

Problem solved ;-)

Typing from my superior computer,
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:07:57 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Post '72 12-bolt rear-end

> I wouldn't worry at all about using a 10 bolt.. I've been running about 400
> lb/ft through my 8.2 for about 2 years with absolutley no problem. The 8.5
> in. 10 bolt has the same diameter pinion as the 12 bolt version does. The
> ring gear is a little smaller however (.375 in.) For an exhaustive review
> about the subject check out May 1997 Hot Rod. The article shows Dave
> Henninger running his 930 hp chevy through a 10 bolt rearend.
> The best advice the article suggests is to preload the gears before you
> hammer it off the line....

        Thanx a lot, Tracy...I'll have to check out the article!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:10:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Hey Stereo Buffs....

Thanks for your help, Greg. I saw your homepage today. Nice, man! I wish
my car looked like that! I noticed that you added a rear sway bar when you
replaced your suspension. I am going to replace mine soon, and I was
wondering how pleased you were with the added sway bar. Also, where did
you find it? My stereo does have a fader, and now I know what the blue
wire does. I connect it to the positive input on the rear speakers, right?
Where do I wire the negative from the speakers? If you have any
suggestions, let me know. Do I need to buy a specific connector in order
to wire the rear speakers? I've noticed they like to use big plastic
things that lock in place. Thanks again for your help, and enjoy that car!

Pat
'68 Cutlass Supreme




> Patrick,
> 
> The blue wire is for your rear channel. The tuner knob needs to have the 
> fader switch installed for this to work. If the outer ring on that knob is a 
> dummy, you'll just have a jumper mounted under that knob instead and will 
> need to get a fader for the rear to work. 
> 
> I'm assuming we're talking an Olds Delco radio here.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada 
> On Sun, 9 Nov 1997, Patrick Rose wrote:
>
> > 	Well, that's just the thing! I'm not sure if it's in stereo (this
> > is the stock radio that came with the car). On the dial it says "STEREO,"
> > but where would I connect the second channel? I have spots for two 6x9s in
> > the back like you said, so that's cool. Let's assume I have the speakers
> > in the back and I've wired them to the front. This is where I'm totally
> > lost. There is this blue wire on the side of the radio that wasn't
> > connected to anything, which I thought was weird. The black wire I thought
> > went to the antenna, is that the ground, too? So, we have 3 leads (one for
> > power and 2 for the front speaker), and the mysterious blue wire. I would
> > just assume by looking at the back that this is just a MONO radio but then
> > what would be the point of taking the trouble to have it say STEREO on the
> > face of the dial? I also agree with you that front and back stereo is kind
> > of goofy-sounding. But hey, why not be different? ;-) Thanks for your
> > help.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Pat
> > 

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:24:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: rearend

How much is a posi rearend worth  2.73 with the rotors?

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:36:26 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> 7) Use a major credit card such as MasterCard, Visa, or American
> Express, and BUY A MACINTOSH.

Aww, man!  And we thought you were cool... ;-)
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:50:04 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 12" Disc brake donor cars for 67 a-body????

bernie, get a donor car that already has disc brakes on it...you can get
larger
rotors... thanks Jeff    atl,ga....

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:55:40 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

'73 was the first year for those seats. 

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:27:06 -0500 (EST)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

What color are they. Do they have the removable cushions? I have never seen
covers for them, it would cost a fortune to have them redone. I have a set
but the drivers side is torn. joe

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:15:44 -0500
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

>         Plunk an "o" in place of that 2nd "e" and it'd be ME!  =B) 
Hiya!!
> I just joined the OML about 4-5 days ago.  I live in Canada (very near
> Niagara Falls).  ...
> Trevor Lee 

Hi Trevor ... back in the early 90s I used to scrounge the wrecking yards
in your area looking for full size Olds parts for my '75 Delta88 (RIP). 
Back then there were lots of 455s around in the various 71-76 NinetyEights
and 88s that littered the yards.  Mike's Wrecking near Hamilton had a
bunch, as did I really excellent yard near Thorold, but I'm damned if I can
remember exactely where it was.  Of course all those cars are gone now
anyway.  

I remember one day stopping by this place after paying $10 for a
speedometer assembly at another wreckers.  I came away with several bags
containing: 2 cruise control regulators, 3 speedo assemblies, various
clocks, electronics, dash and trim parts.  The guy at Thorold scratched his
head a bit and said "How about 15 bucks".  He looked happy to see someone
taking the stuff away.  Of course now I wish I'd grabbed up all the engines
I could find.  Those were (some of) the days.

Good luck with the project ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:53:43 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

Tracy H. Shires wrote:
>  I've never torn down a transmission - nor ever
> care to, but how much does the transmission need torn down to swap the
> governor - so I don't get ripped off at the shop?

Drain the fluid, drop the pan, drop the governor cover, (4 or so bolts)
drop the governor, install new governor, install new gasket on governor
cover, replace governor cover & pan, fill fluid, done.  60-90 minuits is
plenty of time for this.  

> What govenor do I need >to replace it with? (since the transmission >shop thinks I'm completely >ignorant)

Check the Turbo regal website, there might be some information there.

http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/ 

Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:38:43 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: rearend

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> How much is a posi rearend worth  2.73 with the rotors?

Umm,  ROTORS?????  Prolly quite a bit more than one with drums... 
Interested to see where ~this~ one goes...  I gave $100 for my 3.23
posi, hub-to-hub.  1970 model, probably never been apart.  Well used. 
Works good, though.  I've seen similar go for much higher, though.

- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:47:32 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Headliner Replacement

I know everything they do on that show looks easy, but this really did 
seem not too hard.

> Its not if you TAKE YOUR TIME!!!!

 They removed the old headliner assembly -- just held in with clips...

> Easier said than done in some cars...I know in G bodies the front and 
back molding each have 3 black clips holding the it to the roof, they 
break very easy! Total...$12 bucks to replace them all...

cleaned the backer, and applied spray adhesive before carefully 
smoothing the replacement into place.

> If your backer is old, and the foam is crumbly, I found it is best to 
"scrape" it from the styrofoam backing shell with a wire brush, this 
gives you a solid place to adhere to, eliviating possible repeat of it 
falling again...(Happened to me!)
If the shell cracks, clean the styrofoam, and paper mache the cracks 
together on the back with newspaper strips (many layers) and white or 
wood glue dilluted in water...this is a little more permanant than the 
olde duct tape method...
You can buy new material at an upholstery shop (around $60/yd.), J.C. 
Whitney has some, your local fabric shop may also have headliners to 
order( $60 total ), or just get a ton of fabric from them (but it may no 
be big enough, so you'll have to sew it together strategically, this is 
the cheapest method, around $25 total including adhesive). 
Unfortunately, GM no longer has headliners of older Olds in stock, I 
checked...Finally, 3M makes a very good adhesive for this, its 
expensive, and it takes a lot to do a whole headliner, but it 
works...just try not to inhale it too much...it vile!!!!!

Sorry it was longwinded...hope I helped...
John Stolarski
86 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:45:29 -0500
From: Dan Burke <dburke@magicnet.net>
Subject: A Night At The Races

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I went drag racing last Wednesday with my buddy Don.  He recently =
performed the first oil change on his '97 Z-28 convertible and was ready =
for his first experience at the drag strip.  I, being the good friend, =
was to take my stock '70 Cutlass 350-4V and show him how it was done.  =
After explaining the basics we were paired off against each other and =
staged at the starting line, both focused on the light tree.  The yellow =
lights started, first, second, third and we both hit the gas.  Soon =
after the green light we were rip-snorting off down the track.  My =
cutlass pulls to a slight lead until second gear.  Then here comes Don.  =
There goes Don.=20

We both knew that the 27 years of technology and refinements, and 300 =
lbs. less weight was a definite advantage.  Don's Z-28 ran the quarter =
mile 0.6 seconds faster than my Cutlass.  I was however 0.2 seconds =
quicker on the reaction time from when the light turns green until the =
car starts moving.  So he crossed the finish line only 0.4 seconds in =
front of me.

We picked up the computer printout with the measured times and got back =
in line to have at it again.  After reviewing the elapsed times for both =
cars I asked Don what he thought of the experience.  "This being the =
first time down the track, I was just along for the ride.  It was like =
someone else was driving and I was just watching."  After discussing the =
drag race and watching all the other cars run, Don was ready for the =
second run.  He now knew what to expect and was going to be ready for =
that green light.  I had yet to introduce him to the finer points of =
drag racing.

We're back in our cars and paired up, next to go down the strip.  We =
each do a burn-out to clear the dirt off our tires and then approach the =
starting line.  Now I, being the good friend that I am, know that his =
cell phone is always on.  So I let him get staged first and then press =
the send button on my phone which I have all set to dial his car phone.  =
I look over and see him intensely focused on the tree and then, =
giggling, slowly stage my car at the line.  The first yellow light =
starts.  Don's phone rings.  Startled he looks down at the phone.  When =
he looked back at the tree the green light is on and I'm headed down the =
track. =20

Now I know he's going to be passing me soon, so I'm pedaling as fast as =
I can to prolong that winning feeling.  While drag racing you have to =
keep one eye on the road and the other on the tachometer, so I did not =
know how far back Don was.  One eighth of a mile and still waiting for =
Don to blow by me.  I'm starting to smile.  Gee, It seems that he must =
have had a bad reaction time.  Pity. =20

Finally Don blows by me just after the finish line.  Beat him by 0.058 =
seconds.  While starting to brake just past the finish line I pick the =
phone up from my seat and put it to my ear.  Still ringing.  Well, I =
guess he does not want to talk right now, so I hung up the phone.  I had =
a big grin on my face when I got out and walked over to Don's car.  He =
rolled down his window.  "YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!!  Just as the =
first yellow light started THE DAMN PHONE RINGS!!" =20

"Oh Really?  Nooo Waaayy!"  I couldn't stop grinning.

"That was you, wasn't it?"

And me, being the good friend and sport that I am, put it all in =
perspective.  "I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.  I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.  He-he-he-he-he-he."

Dan Burke			70 cultass conv
Orlando, FL
dburke@magicnet.net


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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:48:55 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Used Cars

The Movie.  Just caught the end of it on Cinemax.  Ain't seen that in a
few years.  Definately a classic, when it comes to movies.  Noticed one
Olds in the desert chase scene, but didn't see any since.  It's on again
at 11:00, so I'll have to keep my eyes open and watch the whole thing
this time.  Definately loved ~that~ movie.  Ranks up there with Monty
Python's Holy Graile.  Anybody still up and have satellite?  Check it
out...  Classic, pure and simple...


Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 20:50:39 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: I NEED HELP

Hopefully someone will direct you to the Toro list but I'll warn you that
Moose & I have been looking - he for one cap & me for two - for quite
awhile now with no luck so far, except the big dollar people.

Good luck with your search.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:52:57 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Headliner Replacement

> > Easier said than done in some cars...I know in G bodies the front
> and
> back molding each have 3 black clips holding the it to the roof, they
> break very easy! Total...$12 bucks to replace them all...

You mean to say there's some method available that ~doesn't~ break them
damn things?  Wow, do tell how!  :)  Every one I've ever broken (which,
ironically equals every good one I've taken out;) I've repaired by
wadding up butyl tape in their holes, and then reinserting the remaining
broken clip in there.  Holds well and doesn't rattle.  The two screws on
the ends keeps things in place, too.

- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:56:20 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: A Night At The Races

> "Oh Really?  Nooo Waaayy!"  I couldn't stop grinning.
> 
> "That was you, wasn't it?"
> 
> And me, being the good friend and sport that I am, put it all in
> perspective.  "I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.  I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.
> He-he-he-he-he-he."
> 

Heh heh.  I love it!!!  ;)

Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:07:19 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: rearend

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> How much is a posi rearend worth  2.73 with the rotors?

With, (excuse me) *rotors*?  There weren't a lot of full-size cars built
with four-wheel disc brakes, but there were a few...but getting them
with a posi rear end could be tough.  The '77-78 B*ick Rivieras came
with the disc/disc set-up as an option, and I think the '77-'79 C*ddy
Fleetwood Broughmas did as well.  It would be rare to find these with a
stock posi rear-end...

If you are constantly bothered by large green bills cluttering up your
wallet, you can get a '94-'96 Ch*v Caprice or Imp*la SS rear end (these
are most commonly from old police cars).  These are possible to get, but
you'd really have to 'dip to the hip' to get one.  If you come across
one of these, it'll likely be posi, but I doubt a 2.73...most cop cars
would run 3.23 or 3.73.  If you still want decent gas mileage, I
wouldn't go past 3.23, *especially* if it's a 3spd. auto (TH-350/TH-400)

Do you have a disc/disc system installed in the vehicle now?  If not,
you'll need a different master cylinder (one with a larger rear system
resevoir), and a different metering valve...

Are you sure you even need rear disc brakes?  If you can lock up the
rear wheels under a max effort stop, discs won't help you there.

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:11:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Stereo

Hey Greg,

	Did you reply to my follow-up stereo question message? I got
kicked off the list because my server went down...again. If you could just
forward it to me privately that would be great. Thanks.


Pat
prose@email.unc.edu

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:41:08 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: paint color

Okay, what color should the well under the third seat in a 72 Vista
Cruiser be?  I know that it has felt under the vinyl pad, but did GM use
the splatter paint also.  Also what about spare tire well color?

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 01:03:58 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Junk yard Find

Today in I went yard hunting for Olds parts and came across a yard just
filled with OLD OLD car many of them oldsmobile from as early as the
twenties.

What I did find was a few Detla's from 67-71 and even some Dynamic 88's and
starfires 
I don't know much about the old cars or the big cars but if there is
something some one is in need of please let me know.

I'll be there quite a bit in the next few weeks ...... I'm buying all the
425's and 455 from the Delta 

The yard was full of old Coupes and wood wheel cars of all makes and models


Anyways E me direct if you want me to look for something. I 'm more then
happy to help.

Robert Schinkel 
docbob@caninet.com

Oh and there was only one 71 Cutlass and one 68 Cutlass if anyone want me
to look for any of those pieces let me know


Bob

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 04:51:56 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: A Night At The Races

Dan,

You are such a brat!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:55:49 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

bob looking for sport mirrors from 71-2 cutlass (color coded to cars body)
 would buy at reasonable price jeff atl,ga

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:23:09 -0600
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Cooling topics

My brother went to his local Buick GS chapter meeting
last weekend and forwarded the following on to me.  I'm not
sure I agree with all the points, but it makes for interesting
reading none the less.

>Our tech session was on cooling, and we had a engineer from
>Modine show up. Pretty interesting.

>Some highlights:
>- A new radiator loses 10% cooling capacity after only one
>  year due to deposit buildup.
>- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
>- All things being equal, copper/brass radiators cool better
>  than aluminum.
>- A three row high efficiency core cools better than a 4-row.
>  (They only make 4-rows because there is a demand for them :)
>- Prestone has the best corrosion inhibitors, Zerex is next.
>- Water cools better than antifreeze.
>- Thermostats are rated when they crack open, full open is 15
>  degrees higher. He said he has shimmed them to crack open at
>  145 so he could run the engine at 160.
>- All electric fans are junk. The Hayden 16" straight blade is
>  the closest to useful though.
>- An electric fan running when the car is moving faster than
>  55mph impeded the airflow.
>- Removing the thermostat *will* make your car run cooler.

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com
Grayslake, ILL

1970  442 4-Speed

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:08:28 -0600
From: "Paul L. Brillhart" <PBRILL1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Journey to Chi-town

david wyatt wrote:

> Saturday Chris Smetana, myself, and my son Michael took my van with
> the
> trailer attached and headed north to Bob Cline's.  We picked up what
> was
> left of a once proud '69 4-4-2 from Arizona that Chris purchased for
> parts.  We left home at 6:15am and returned at 3:30pm, covered 360
> miles, and averaged 8.8 mpg for the trip.  The good news is, Chris has
>
> some great sheet metal to use on his W-31.  The body was so solid I
> would have been tempted to restore it instead of parting it out as Bob
>
> has done.  Those southwest bodies are fantastic.  When he is done with
>
> it I am going to get some odds and ends off of it to use on my 70.  I
> have some pinch weld rust around the top of my back window that this
> '69
> will help cure.  It also has a ch*vy 12 bolt that may find it's way
> under my car with some serious gears.  Can you say wheel stands?  I
> may
> have to make this trip again after the first of the year to get some
> solid rear quarters for my car.  Bob has quite a bit of inventory for
> all makes.  Check him out.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70 4-4-2

   Dave,

  I live just north of Chicago in Park Ridge(just bought a house and
moved my '65 442 from my uncle's garage in Brookfield Sunday night).
Who or what is Bob Cline's?  A used Olds parts dealer or a boneyard?
Thanks.


  Paul Brillhart

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:36:38 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Swivel Buckets 4 sale

> What color are they. Do they have the removable cushions? I have never seen
> covers for them, it would cost a fortune to have them redone. I have a set
> but the drivers side is torn. joe

         They're black...no, they don't have removeable cushions.  And it's the
driver's one in my set that is torn too.  They would definately have to be
recovered to be used in a decent car.  I priced recovering a while back at a
few places and got around the same quote of $600 Cdn!!  =B(   Oh well...I guess
there's a price to luxury, eh?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:48:43 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conv. frame

my car does not have bolts where you described, there rivets.  ???  steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:50:29 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

what mirrors do you need?    please reply steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:54:45 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: A Night At The Races

ROTGLOL
Love IT! :-)

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Burke <dburke@magicnet.net>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, November 10, 1997 11:51 PM
Subject: A Night At The Races

>snip
 "YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!!  Just as the first yellow light
started THE DAMN PHONE RINGS!!"

"Oh Really?  Nooo Waaayy!"  I couldn't stop grinning.

"That was you, wasn't it?"

And me, being the good friend and sport that I am, put it all in
perspective.  "I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.  I BEEEAT DAAAWWN.
He-he-he-he-he-he."

Dan Burke 70 cultass conv
Orlando, FL
dburke@magicnet.net

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:32:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tires !

In a message dated 97-11-09 04:01:21 EST, you write:

<< > Kelly makes a 235-60-14 in their "Charger" line and BF-Goodrich makes a
 > 240-60-14 in the Radial T/A's.  Happy tire shopping!
 
 Yeah, but these are either blackwall or raised white letter and they're
 too wide to put on a full size car with making it look ridiculous.
 
 Paul >>

I have never seen a tire thats too big on  a full size car if the backspacing
is right....

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:53:04 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: '84 Cruise Control

>> Vacuum for the cruise goes through the firewall to the brake switch
>> to disengage the cruise when you brake.

Um, usually not vacuum; it's an electrical connection through the brake
switch. When you step on the brake, it makes the connection for the
brake lights and breaks a continuity connection for the cruise control.
Cruise-equipped cars will have (at least) two pairs of connectors at the
brake light switch: brake lights and cruise.

>I was looking under the hood hoping to find something obvious, like
>a cracked vacuum hose or loose connector.  Instead, I found that the 
>larger hose from the cruise control goes into some split wire-loom 
>and then down through the firewall below the power brake booster.
>Can anyone explain to me what this hose is for?

I think you're just looking at the collective vacuum supply. i.e. It's
drawing vacuum into/from the intake manifold, applying to all
accessories that operate with it, such as the cruise control diaphragm
in the servo connected to the engine, and HVAC duct servos in the
dashboard for the various air outlets. It must be getting vacuum all
right since you say the car goes berserk when you press the button. More
likely the "brain" isn't metering it properly.

>Or should I just go ahead and replace the whole cruise brain and 
>save myself headaches?

In my experience that's usually why the cruise system goes bonkers,
assuming you don't have a vacuum leak somewhere. If the vacuum supply is
there, I'd try swapping in a different cruise brain and see if that
helps. Be careful not to break the rubber-mounted isolator bolts when
you're unscrewing its mounting.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 97 09:17:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: The Day After (Stolen car follow up)

Well the day after is a heck of a lot worse. Thanks for the support and 
encouragement.  Just wanted to let everyone know what the deal is with the 
insurance company so that you can plan ahead to minimize any problems you 
might have if this happens to you.

Bought the car in 1984 for $3400 and since then have had engine, 
transmission, paint and interior redone,  Thank god my wife keeps all 
receipts and checks.  Was able to find most of them last night, I have (had) 
over $11,000 in the car.  I have some pictures of the car, but probably not 
enough.  Got a real bad feeling that I am going to take a bath here.  I dont 
expect them to give me everything I had into it, but have no idea what the 
middle ground is going to be.

I actually read my policy last night, first time ever, make sure you are 
familiar with it,  no surprises in mine, but here is the general gist for a 
State Farm policy.

Stolen cars are covered under comprehensive.  Policy will provide a rental 
car (at $16 a day, found a cavelier for that price) until claim is settled. 
 Policy provides that they will cover 1)actual cash value, or 2)cost of 
repair or replacement..  If the owner and insurance comp cannot agree on 
actual cash value, either party may demand an appraisal .  Each party 
selects an appraiser, the two appraisers select a third appraiser.  The 
written decision of any two appraisers shall be binding.  The cost of the 
appraiser is paid for by the party that hired him, the cost of the third 
appraiser is split between both parties.

The insurance company will wait 25 days before processing claim, they do 
provide a rental car during that time. (at $16/day) until claim is settled.

I dont know if they punched the locks or towed the car.  Car was in plain 
view of 7 story office building in busy parking lot,

Lessons Learned:

1) Read your policy, make sure you know what it says and understand any 
implications.

2)Plan for the worse. Assume your car will be stolen and keep good records 
and reciepts of all work.  It will be up to you to prove the value of the 
car is above standard blue book.

3)  Alarm or cut-off switch.  I don't know  how much difference it would 
have made, but some deterence has got to be better then nothing.

Will let you all know if they find it, or what happens if (when) the claim 
gets settled, probably around Christmas time.

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.Dick@cpmx.saic.com
OCA #028436

STOLEN:  1986 Olds Cutlass Salon.  Stolen on Monday November 10, 1997 from 
655 Metro Place South in Dublin, Ohio sometime between 9:30 am and 3:30 pm. 
 No signs of forced entry.  Car is silver with T-tops.  New paint (emblems 
not put back on), no side body molding.  License plates were Ohio  4WINNS, 
car has class II hitch, buckets, full console, gauge package, VIN 
 1G36k47Y3GR359263.
If seen please contact Dublin police at (614) 761-6530 or Jeff DIck at (614) 
791-3390 (work), (614) 875-0241 (home).  Thank You

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