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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, December 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 998



Power Steering Pump
diff codes
1969 Hurst Olds Ornament
Re: int/carb for '66
Re: sounds
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: sounds
Re: F41 suspension
Re: diff codes
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
W-codes...
Re: sounds
what belongs in cars
original paint?
runaway engine
Re: Power Steering Pump
Re: sounds
Re: Big block vs. Small block
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: Power Steering Pump
Re: what belongs in cars
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
RE: Big block vs. Small block
RE: Power Steering Pump
Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed
Re: 403 locations
Re: F41 suspension
Where will my car be?
Re; runaway engine
Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB
Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB
Jim Chermack-425 4bbl intake and carb
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: Power Steering Pump
pwr steering gearbox ?'s
Re: diff codes
TH425 Question
Brake Drum Question
Re: Wheel grease
wheel grease part 2
Re: sounds (Primus)
Engine color
Re: Power Steering Pump
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: 200r4 linkage ??????? 67 eh??
Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!)
Re: TH425 Question
Re: Where will my car be?
UNBOUNCE: Engine color
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: what belongs in cars
Re: Where will my car be?

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:30:25 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Power Steering Pump

Hi, everyone.  I think I need to replace my power steering pump.  All of a
sudden, the belt squeals a lot and the steering wheel is hard to turn.  Of
course, I'll try to tighten the pulley, etc. and see if that works.  But
what if it doesn't?  I have a few questions.  BTW, I have an 84 Cutlass
with 307 V8 and F41 suspension (quick ratio steering).

1)  The power steering pump is nothing more than the pump with two hoses,
right?  One for the fluid coming in and one for fluid coming out?  Thus, it
shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?

2)  Supposing I DO replace the pump...do I need to "drain" the steering
fluid or anything?  I know some will spill out.  Is this fine, just re-fill
after installation?

3)  Are there any special tools for this procedure?  Will I need a
pulley-puller or anything to get the original pulley off?  A new (or
remanufactured) pump won't come with a pulley, will it?

4)  Does my quick-ratio steering limit me to the type of pump I can get?  I
shouldn't have to worry about getting a "quick-ratio" one, will I?  They're
all the same, right?

Any ideas or suggestions from anyone who's done this before will certainly
be appreciated.  Thanks everyone!
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:30:03 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: diff codes

>Also, I cannot find the stamped letter code on my axle.

Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax that the
veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...

;)   Dr. Robert Barry
================
Well, the cat's out of the bag now. Kinda like that frame staming and the
"build sheet". Yeah, I found my build sheet! OK, right. Probably stumbling over
stacks of Solid Main Web 403 blocks, too, huh?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:38:50 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: 1969 Hurst Olds Ornament

HI All,
   I stopped in our local Walgreens store tonight and while there it
dawned on me to look for the 69 Hurst Olds tree ornament. They happened
to have about 25 of them. I was wondering if anyone knows how many of
these they are planning on producing? The price on these were $13.95 ea:

Thanks,
Tom Williams
70 W31

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 23:36:15 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: int/carb for '66

>          How much are you asking for the intake and carb, and for the

A lot. Last one I have or know of. Will discuss privately.

> intake by itself?  What settings would have to be made?  I am fairly

Basically, the carb has been dismantled and needs a gasket kit and all the
settings normally done during a rebuild. Rebuild kits are about $30 last time I
checked, cheaper at NAL.

> unfamiliar with carb rebuilding.  I know of idle setting and mixture
> setting, is this all?  Should I go with a later model carb what would
> your suggestion be.

If not the stock carb, the one I would recommend is a Pontiac carb with 1/4"
square cutouts in the forward edge of the secondary air valves. That would use
the later '70-up choke, and then you need the later '70-up intake manifold to
match. That's my best advice.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:35:34 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> RCKTPWR wrote:
>
> > On the road shaun!!!! On the road!!!!!  What about yr plastic q4...?????
> > PS...yr to much.....a hot rod to u guys is a front wheeler w/tinted
windows... > > Bernie > > Hahahaha...  Man someone needs to just ban this
Areotech dude...  It's > no longer any fun to be on the list, seems like 
there's
two DEFINITELY > defined groups in here...  Olds guys and Quad 4 guys that 
think
they > should own the world...  It is really getting annoying.  It was funny 
in >
the beginning, and I ignored it for a while, I even thought outta their > 
POV...
All the Q4 guys want is to be an example of ignorance, and won't > listen to
other ideas unless it relates to Q4 and Q4 only.

I've never had the opportunity to work with a Quad 4...just watched the
mechanics do a few head gaskets on them.  Personally, I hate the idea of
a four cylinder...I want a car that sounds like a 455 V8, not a
hairdryer.

Aside from the sound at the tailpipe, the Q4 looks to be quite an
engine...it makes more horsepower than some SB V8's, and it can get
decent gas mileage when driven properly...(or *improperly*, depending on
how you look at it).  But, just to put the icing on the cake, it's still
an Olds...

When (not *if*, WHEN) the gas prices hike up much further, I'll have no
choice but to drive something a little more fuel efficient.  As of next
year, I'll be commuting to college, and I could cut my overhead costs in
half with a paid-for four cylinder.  I'm thinking along the lines of a
2.8 V6 (or 3.1) Z24 coupe, or maybe something small w/ a Quad 4...I like
gas mileage, but no man can live without b*lls...(maybe a Kia Sephia
man, if there is a such thing)...

- -----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:51:53 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Hi Greg,

> For the UMPTEENTH time, folks... can we PLEASE get off of this silly
> subject?

<<applause>>

> I am hereby declaring a moratorium on discussions even remotely related
> to "my car is better/faster/cooler than your car". AGAIN. I thought we
> had dealt with this last week, and again the week previous. I have lost
> my patience with this one, gang.
>
> Initiators of flame wars and/or continuance of this subject to the
> detriment of useful discussion will be tossed PERMANENTLY. Enough said.

Thanks Greg.  It was wearing a little thin wasn't it.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:52:24 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

m-hanneman@onu.edu wrote:
>
> At 04:14 PM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket
> 91. you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days, but the
> truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars, and their
> styling. they just see them as big boats. Someday all those restored and
> clssic cars everyone has will be gone just as we will passed on or sold to
> another generation who has no compassion for this stuff. you guys know what
> i mean. where do you see you showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some
> boneyard or what?
> >> Give me your thoughts
> >> AEROTECH
> >
> I resent that comment.

Yeah, I resent it too...but, it's not that far from the truth.  About
10% of the students at my school are into cars, and yes, they do
appreciate the land yachts from the 60's, 70's, and early 80's.  For
most of them, if they could afford it, they would be driving muscle cars
from years now gone by.  **BUT**, not every student can afford to buy a
muscle car, *insure* a muscle car, and put *gas* in a muscle car.
*That's* why you see students driving little three, four, or (GASP!) six
cylinder cars...(I guess I should consider myself one of the lucky ones,
then).

>Granted not everyone is interested in the old models, but there are still
>enough of us youngsters around to care for your precious vehicles after you
>have long passed on.  After I get my degree in Engineering and can
>comfortably afford one, I am going to buy a late 60's 442 convertible.

I agree completely...in twenty years time, seeing a car that old will be
linked to the "Jurassic Park" syndrome...it's somehow been brought back
from the dead.  Once I've completed my Customs Administration course (in
2yrs.), and I'm out in the workforce, I'll still have a small(er!)
commuter car, but I've got full intention of having a 'summer' car, such
as a '70 Corvette Stingray (454 BBC w/460hp), or a '70 or '71 442
convertible....(in other words, I'm planning to have my mid-life crisis
in my twenties...)

- ----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:58:03 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

Hi all,

Would a 1982 DRB have the F41 suspension as an option?  My daily driver
seems to hug corners very well, even with crappy tires.  Makes me
wonder.  It has the rally pack (no tach, just guages) which seemed
kind of odd for a luxury car.

Oh well...


Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:01:56 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: diff codes

Dr. Robert Barry wrote:

> >Also, I cannot find the stamped letter code on my axle.
>
> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax that the
> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...

Not funny!  I must have sure looked stupid crawling under my car looking
for that blasted code on the axle.  Better yet telling my mechanic that
I am looking for codes on my axle when my car is jacked up.

All of you should be ashamed.

Chris Sparks


P.S. Sorry Greg, I don't like to look stupid

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:09:34 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes into
low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky.

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:10:35 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: W-codes...

This is going to sound a little bit stupid, to say the least...could
someone please tell me what "W code" is what?  I've heard people refer
to the 60's and 70's Olds as "W-machines".  But, since Chris (Sparks)
asked about a '82 DRB having W-codes, it convinced me to finally ask
this question (or was it F codes?  I've forgotten).  I thought W-codes
only applied to the hi-perf machines of twenty or thirty years ago...

Would either of my Oldses have any W-codes?  If so, how could I find
out?  I still have the order form from the factory in the '78, if that's
any help.  Plus, I remember my father said something about the '85 DRB
having the heavy-duty suspension...

TIA,
- ------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:26:56 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Dave Ward wrote:
 Once I've completed my Customs Administration course (in
> 2yrs.), and I'm out in the workforce, I'll still have a small(er!)
> commuter car, but I've got full intention of having a 'summer' car, such as a
'70 Corvette Stingray (454 BBC w/460hp), or a '70 or '71 442 convertible....(in
other words, I'm planning to have my mid-life crisis in my twenties...)

CUT/SNIP/CUT

The timing sounds about right Dave, I started my car midlife crisis
about age 17 during my senior year in high school.  Didn't get to really
scratch it until my senior year in college when I bought a new 1970
Dodge Charger 383 Magnum with big block heads when the dealer ran
closeouts in August 1970.  Olds dealer didn't have anything fast left by
the time I got to where I could afford it.  Plus I didn't want a low
compression 1971 anything back then.  It wasn't cool to be one of the
first low comp cars in town.

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:27:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: what belongs in cars

Computers and FWD do NOT belong in cars.
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
===============

Ahem.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
                                        ^^^^^^^^

I guess you meant *in combination*, or something. Otherwise, them's fightin'
words.
;-)
- ----------------

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:29:28 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: original paint?

If you could tell it wasn't the original factory
paint, it didn't leave.  That meant no overspray, no orange peel, no
runs, no taping mistakes, etc.      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
===============
Guess he never did much Corvette work, then, what with all their worry about
getting the "correct amount" of overspray on the mufflers, hoses, etc. There
was a Mopar survivor shown in one of the mags a while back, emblem missing,
serious overspray under the hood... that's the original paint. They were not
perfect.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:32:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: runaway engine

Chris,
I'm not offended.  Turning the key off would probably have solved the
engine problem, but I was approaching the woods quite rapidly, and
loosing steering control was not what I wanted to run into.  Also, being
is kind of a hurry to get the situation under control, I might have
switched the key too far and ended up with a locked steering wheel -
very unpleasant.
Depite all this, since nobody on this list had any great ideas, I
decided to check all the linkages out, which looked fine, so were all
the springs.  I disconnected the vacuum line for the Cruise control and
I haven't had a problem since.  I will let it go for a week or so, then
plug it back up and see if the problem re-occurs.  If it does, at least
I know where it's coming from. Ingmar Ott
===================

But, my whole point was that you do NOT "lose steering" or brakes just because
the motor is off. Might be HARDER to do, but it CAN be done. Oh, and the key
will NOT go to the lock position unless the trans is in Park- they did think of
that. Try it someday. Man, I guess I take it for granted that everyone beat the
snot out of a car or 3 along the way, did off-road bashes, parking lot
doughnuts in the snow, Neutral drops, everything that could be done, to learn
the limitations. Yeah, that's it, it was to learn.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:33:08 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <ferguson@1stnetusa.com>
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

>Hi, everyone.  I think I need to replace my power steering pump.  All of a
>sudden, the belt squeals a lot and the steering wheel is hard to turn.  Of
>course, I'll try to tighten the pulley, etc. and see if that works.  But
>what if it doesn't?  I have a few questions.  BTW, I have an 84 Cutlass
>with 307 V8 and F41 suspension (quick ratio steering).
>
>1)  The power steering pump is nothing more than the pump with two hoses,
>right?  One for the fluid coming in and one for fluid coming out?  Thus, it
>shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?
>
>2)  Supposing I DO replace the pump...do I need to "drain" the steering
>fluid or anything?  I know some will spill out.  Is this fine, just re-fill
>after installation?
>
>3)  Are there any special tools for this procedure?  Will I need a
>pulley-puller or anything to get the original pulley off?  A new (or
>remanufactured) pump won't come with a pulley, will it?
>
>4)  Does my quick-ratio steering limit me to the type of pump I can get?  I
>shouldn't have to worry about getting a "quick-ratio" one, will I?  They're
>all the same, right?
>
>Any ideas or suggestions from anyone who's done this before will certainly
>be appreciated.  Thanks everyone!
>_____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock
>mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
>http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

Something I have run into a couple of times (not on Oldsmobile but other
GMs) is that the pressure hose fittings could be a mixture of Metric and
Standard.  The two are similar in size but the thread is slightly
different.  I have spent a lot of time wondering why I couldind get the
thread to catch only to find out that I had gotten the wrong hose!!  I seem
to remember that the fittings on the aftermarket hoses I got were either
blue or purple indicating metric or standard.  Just be careful.

If you have problems with rusted fittings on the steering box I have found
that the easiest solution is to use a hackswa to cut the tubing above the
nut and then use a 6-point socket and an extension to take the fitting out.
Easier than with a tubing wrench if the hose is shot anyway.

My '84 Riviera is starting to whine when it gets hot, I took it to a
steering specialty shop for an alignment and the guy told me not to worry
too much about the whine, they all do it.

I also saw on one of the weekend car shows (Shadetree Mechanic I think)
some stuff you put in the system to stop the whine.  They said it was about
$6 but I haven't seen it in the parts stores.  Does anyone know what it is
and/or have any experience with it.



Lloyd Ferguson
Glendale, California
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

1969 Cutlass Convertible
1984 Buick Riviera

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:41:31 EST
From: OLDZ69442 <OLDZ69442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

aerotech,
   Sorry to disagree.  I've met many younger folks with a real appreciation of
our musclecars.  I think they will be in good hands after we are gone!

Bob Iozia
69 442
57 Chevy

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:45:17 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Big block vs. Small block

Ray wrote:
>
> Hi,
> What exactly are the differences between the external dimensionalities of
> Olds small and big blocks?  Are the big blocks just a couple inches longer
> and taller, but not wider or something?

Roughly 1 1/2 inches wider, and one inch taller, I think is how it
went.  Non Old's buffs can't tell the difference (of course, they don't
notice the distributer in back either, since they insist on calling it a
Buick....)

 Also, G-body folks, I've heard
> that putting a big block in a G-body somehow interferes with the vent
> controls for your heater and all.  Is this true?  Thanks all.

Didn't affect mine...  On a ~non-A/C~ car, the heater box will become
one with the valve cover, thought.  Since you're Ray in the ~desert~ I
can probably assume this will ~not~ include you!  ;)



>
> Ray in the desert
> 87 409 Cutlass

- --
               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:19:19 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene D Mitchell <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Cuzzy Ross:


I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............




On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:

> Dave Ward wrote:
> >
> > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are there
> > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
>
> Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like listenin
> to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the backroads
> with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a nice
> wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I can
> do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc. still
> have some warm evenings here and there?
> _____________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 02:37:51 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

>Hi, everyone.  I think I need to replace my power steering pump.  All of a
>sudden, the belt squeals a lot and the steering wheel is hard to turn.  Of
>course, I'll try to tighten the pulley, etc. and see if that works.  But
>what if it doesn't?  I have a few questions.  BTW, I have an 84 Cutlass
>with 307 V8 and F41 suspension (quick ratio steering).

A very loose or severely worn out belt could cause this.  I've also had the
radiator overflow line blow off the overflow can, (old hose) spray
antifreeze all over the belts and make them squeal like hell.  I guess a
radiator hose with a hole could do the same.  Having a look at the engine
while it's running (prefferably when it's squealing) might reveal something,
ya never know.

Good luck.  Drop me a line if you need a hand with something.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 01:26:16 -0500
From: "DREW RACING" <drewracn@gte.net>
Subject: Re: what belongs in cars

I will take my SEFI over a carb any day.  My 1977 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
station wagon, a.k.a. Project Power Wagon, has an Edelbrock 600 carb on it.
 This is a simple carb to adjust, but it is nothing compared to my "other"
cars (which are SEFI) when it comes to throttle response and performance.
By the way, Power Wagon looks innocent in it's woodgrain cloak, but
underneath the paneling is a 150 h.p. shot of nitrous oxide, ported stock
heads, ported stock GM intake, mild Crane cam, full-length headers and
Flowmasters.  I haven't used the nitrous since we put the engine together.
I think I will wait for the new transmission first. hehehe!

Drew Walz
DREW RACING

- ----------
> From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
> Subject: what belongs in cars
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 12:27 AM
>
> Computers and FWD do NOT belong in cars.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ===============
>
> Ahem.
>
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing,
MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>                                         ^^^^^^^^
>
> I guess you meant *in combination*, or something. Otherwise, them's
fightin'
> words.
> ;-)
> ----------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 00:32:26 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene D Mitchell <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

Does any one know, how much should pay to get a 2004r tranmissiom rebuilt
that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I get t
fixed?

"The Colonel of the Tank"

    1982 Delta 88



On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:

> um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes 
into
> low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 97 06:42:04 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Big block vs. Small block

If you have room to download some information about Olds you might check out
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm.  If this is wrong,E-Mail
dbrown@mcis.bsd..uchicago.edu  I downloaded the information about 1949 to 1964
Olds, all about ID on blocks, heads, transmissions, etc.  Hope this helps

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Ray
Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 5:10 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Big block vs. Small block


Hi,
What exactly are the differences between the external dimensionalities of
Olds small and big blocks?  Are the big blocks just a couple inches longer
and taller, but not wider or something?  Also, G-body folks, I've heard
that putting a big block in a G-body somehow interferes with the vent
controls for your heater and all.  Is this true?  Thanks all.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 97 06:56:21 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Power Steering Pump

1.  If you replace your PS pump, check out the screw in fitting location, and
the hose slip on fitting.  You can interchange pumps as long as the hose
inlets are the same.  Sometimes if you get the wrong pump and the fitting hits
the exhaust manifold, you can swap pump housings.  Be carefull when you take
it apart, so you don't damage the O ring.

2.  Before you start taking stuff apart, get the correct power steering fluid
from you local parts store.  GM is GM

3.  No special tools needed.  Couple pieces of wood, and a soft mallet.

4.  As far as I know a pump is a pump is a pump, as long as its GM.

5.  If your fittings are rusted into the steering box, get some liquid wrench
from your local parts store, spray it on one day, do your thing that day, and
later on remove the fittings.  I also cut down a 9/16, 5/8 open end wrenches
that I used only on power steering pumps and steering boxes.  Works great in
tight places, and of course they are Craftsman tools.

6.  I saw that show, think its called power steering pump tune-up, but won't
swear on it.

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Lloyd Ferguson
Sent: Monday, December 08, 1997 6:33 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

>Hi, everyone.  I think I need to replace my power steering pump.  All of a
>sudden, the belt squeals a lot and the steering wheel is hard to turn.  Of
>course, I'll try to tighten the pulley, etc. and see if that works.  But
>what if it doesn't?  I have a few questions.  BTW, I have an 84 Cutlass
>with 307 V8 and F41 suspension (quick ratio steering).
>
>1)  The power steering pump is nothing more than the pump with two hoses,
>right?  One for the fluid coming in and one for fluid coming out?  Thus, it
>shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?
>
>2)  Supposing I DO replace the pump...do I need to "drain" the steering
>fluid or anything?  I know some will spill out.  Is this fine, just re-fill
>after installation?
>
>3)  Are there any special tools for this procedure?  Will I need a
>pulley-puller or anything to get the original pulley off?  A new (or
>remanufactured) pump won't come with a pulley, will it?
>
>4)  Does my quick-ratio steering limit me to the type of pump I can get?  I
>shouldn't have to worry about getting a "quick-ratio" one, will I?  They're
>all the same, right?
>
>Any ideas or suggestions from anyone who's done this before will certainly
>be appreciated.  Thanks everyone!
>_____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock
>mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
>http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

Something I have run into a couple of times (not on Oldsmobile but other
GMs) is that the pressure hose fittings could be a mixture of Metric and
Standard.  The two are similar in size but the thread is slightly
different.  I have spent a lot of time wondering why I couldind get the
thread to catch only to find out that I had gotten the wrong hose!!  I seem
to remember that the fittings on the aftermarket hoses I got were either
blue or purple indicating metric or standard.  Just be careful.

If you have problems with rusted fittings on the steering box I have found
that the easiest solution is to use a hackswa to cut the tubing above the
nut and then use a 6-point socket and an extension to take the fitting out.
Easier than with a tubing wrench if the hose is shot anyway.

My '84 Riviera is starting to whine when it gets hot, I took it to a
steering specialty shop for an alignment and the guy told me not to worry
too much about the whine, they all do it.

I also saw on one of the weekend car shows (Shadetree Mechanic I think)
some stuff you put in the system to stop the whine.  They said it was about
$6 but I haven't seen it in the parts stores.  Does anyone know what it is
and/or have any experience with it.



Lloyd Ferguson
Glendale, California
ferguson@1stnetusa.com

1969 Cutlass Convertible
1984 Buick Riviera

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 02:29:23 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed

man, you dont know how much i appreciate it!!  thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 05:41:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 403 locations

>Also, what tranny came with the 403?  I have the TH200 and would need
>to replace the tranny too, and was wondering if I could just take the
>whole package.

It depends; on the A, B and F-bodies, the 403 had the TH350. On the
E-bodies, it had the TH425. On the C-bodies, it had the TH400. Aside from
the TH425, though, whatever it came with would be better than your TH200, so
pick it up as well.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:54:45 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:
> Would a 1982 DRB have the F41 suspension as an option?  My daily driver
> seems to hug corners very well, even with crappy tires.  Makes me
> wonder.  It has the rally pack (no tach, just guages) which seemed
> kind of odd for a luxury car.

It could have it, or something similar... if you have a rear sway bar, 7"
wide wheels, etc., then you've got it.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 06:05:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Where will my car be?

>>the days when a teenager actually could save their pennies and buy a new car.
>
>appreciation for older cars, and their styling. they just see them as big
boats.
>Someday all those restored and clssic cars everyone has will be gone just
as we
>will passed on or sold to another generation who has no compassion for this
stuff.
>you guys know what i mean. where do you see you showcar/musclecar in say 50
years.
>some boneyard or what?

I've given this some thought myself; what would I do with my Olds if the gas
supply did dwindle to nothing, or if gas got to be $25/gallon?

I'd drive it on alternative fuel through the original engine, at first,
either propane, natural gas, alcohol (home-distilled, if necessary),
hydrogen, corn oil, whatever. Then, maybe convert to a more "modern"
drivetrain (turbine, electric, [steam?]) to keep it going. Maybe hitch it to
a horse or something...

There will be a few prime examples of these cars in museums, so I don't feel
responsible for preserving our automotive heritage in that respect. Thus, I
feel perfectly comfortable with enjoying and modifying my SX for the next
sixty years, and if any of my descendents would like to fool around with it
after that, then I suppose it would be their turn (of course, my '70 would
be the same to them as a 1910 Olds would be to us!).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 07:13:10 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re; runaway engine

Thanks for that tidbit of information.  I didn't know that.  Learned
something else again.  However, one think that will happen, is that the
powersteering will shut off and I would still have to manhandle the car
around.  However, I guess that's a much better alternative than blowing
the engine.
Thanks.  I'll remember that for next time (speak next week, when I plug
the Cruise Control back in...)

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>There's a safety switch to prevent this from happening.  Your steering
>won't lock until the key is far enough back for you to take the key out,
>and, when in gear, the key won't switch back that far. It'll only switch
>back far enough for the motor to shut down, and not lock the >steering. This
way, you could never park your car in any gear except >park...(unless you 
wanted
to leave your keys in the car). > >- ------------------------------------------
>S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net) > >'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
>'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.) >'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI) > >(Ennismore,
Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 04:44:16 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> It could have it, or something similar... if you have a rear sway bar, 7"
> wide wheels, etc., then you've got it.

I thought all Oldses of this genre had rear swap bars.  I don't know
about
the 7" rims, however, there are 225R75-15 currently on the car.  Does
that
qualify?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 09:05:00 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:
> I thought all Oldses of this genre had rear swap bars.  I don't know
> about
> the 7" rims, however, there are 225R75-15 currently on the car.  Does
> that
> qualify?

Nope and nope. Just take a look under the back end of your car. If you
see a bar mounted under the rear axle that looks like this, then you
have a rear sway bar:

|  _________________  |
|_|                 |_|

And, I'm pretty sure that 6"rims were standard unless you ordered
something else. Actually, I'm not at all sure Olds offered 7" rims on
any of this last-generation RWD full-sizer. The other GM brand that
sold a lot of police cars did, though.


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:26:53 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Jim Chermack-425 4bbl intake and carb

Sorry list, lost his e-mail address.

    Jim,
           Does this carb have to be reassembled and rebuilt?  Are there
any dimensional differences(height) between the 2 and 4 bbl or can I use
my present intake bolts?  Thank you for the help.
                                        E.J.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 07:55:26 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
open Highway....

> Cuzzy Ross:
>
>
> I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
> Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
>
> > Dave Ward wrote:
> > >
> > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are there
> > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> >
> > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like listenin
> > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the backroads
> > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a nice
> > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I can
> > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc. still
> > have some warm evenings here and there?
> > _____________________________
> >
> > Jason K. Adcock
> > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> >
>
>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:38:21 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

At 11:30 PM 12/8/1997 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, everyone.  I think I need to replace my power steering pump.  All of a
>sudden, the belt squeals a lot and the steering wheel is hard to turn.  Of
>course, I'll try to tighten the pulley, etc. and see if that works.  But
>what if it doesn't?  I have a few questions.  BTW, I have an 84 Cutlass
>with 307 V8 and F41 suspension (quick ratio steering).
>
>1)  The power steering pump is nothing more than the pump with two hoses,
>right?  One for the fluid coming in and one for fluid coming out?  Thus, it
>shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?

Right.  And an engine is just a big piece of cast iron with a few wires
sticking out.  It's not too hard to replace, either.  :)  Seriously, it's
not hard.


>2)  Supposing I DO replace the pump...do I need to "drain" the steering
>fluid or anything?  I know some will spill out.  Is this fine, just re-fill
>after installation?

I replaced the pump on my '64, and you can try to collect the fluid that
comes out of the tubes, but some will invariably spill.  Put nice new fluid
in afterwards, and, as I recall, you're supposed to rotate the pulley by
hand until bubbles stop coming out the top.  This clears any air trapped in
the system.  Then top off, connect the belt, and away you go.


>3)  Are there any special tools for this procedure?  Will I need a
>pulley-puller or anything to get the original pulley off?  A new (or
>remanufactured) pump won't come with a pulley, will it?

You might or might not need a pulley puller.  As I recall with mine, the
pulley came off without much trouble.

>
>4)  Does my quick-ratio steering limit me to the type of pump I can get?  I
>shouldn't have to worry about getting a "quick-ratio" one, will I?  They're
>all the same, right?

Just go to the auto parts store and tell them what kind of car you have.
They should be able to give you the correct pump.


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 08:51:37 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: pwr steering gearbox ?'s

Can anyone tell me how to replace the seals in a power steering gearbox?

If it becomes necessary for me to replace the gearbox, does any kind of
"bleeding" of the system need to be done after replacement?

Any help would be appreciated.

roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:04:01 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: diff codes

- -----Original Message-----
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: diff codes


>snip>
>> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax
that the
>> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...

>snip>
>Not funny!  I must have sure looked stupid crawling under my car
looking
>for that blasted code on the axle.  Better yet telling my mechanic
that
>I am looking for codes on my axle when my car is jacked up.
Actually, my 69 Chassis manual states that there is a two letter code
stamped on the inboard side of the axle. Don't feel bad Chris, I've
done the same as you. I even searched on the ass'y. I was buying and
asked the guy for a wire brush to clean it up. Still couldn't find
anything.
I guess the hoax started at Oldsmobile itself.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
OCAª 29770
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:06:27 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: TH425 Question

> E-bodies, it had the TH425. On the C-bodies, it had the TH400. Aside from
> the TH425, though, whatever it came with would be better than your TH200, so
> pick it up as well.

        Are the TH425s no good?  I have never dealt with them and never heard
about them until I was on this list, but I was under the impression that they
were a really strong tranny because of the number.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:00:32 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: Brake Drum Question

Hello, one quick question:

I got me a new 71 Cutlass, which of course has 4-way drum brakes.....

It's been sitting with the from drums sunk into dirt, so it'll propbably
need new drums..

I have infinite supply of rear-drums from 74-76 Cutlasses with the same bolt
pattern, but does the Diamater or depth of the brake drum change frequently
between different years and front/rear drums??

What's involved in going to disk front (In terms of majour work (20 hours +)
, lots of work (10-20) or not that bad (under 10)) for shop time (It'll take
me way longer of course.)  Do you get a better front-end by 'trading-up'.
 Is it really a plausible thing?  If I can't find free brake drums, I've
always wanted to try and build up an old set with weld, then get them
machined, has anyone ever attempted such a crazy scheme??


Thanx for any/all info (If this has been answered a million times already,
please privately e-mail to where I might find this out).



EA



http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/

mailto:Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 09:29:32 -0600
From: "Paul L. Brillhart" <PBRILL1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Wheel grease

Darren King wrote:

> Hello...
>
> My 1st posting...I have a 86 Custom Cruiser.  I was replacing the
> hub/rotor
> assembly last week and when I came to put the new ones on, I found
> that
> I only had multi-purpose grease laying around.  I don't have another
> car,
> so I used it.  I'm no mechanic by any means so it was pure ignorance.
>
> My friend told me it is absolutely essential that I re-grease the
> bearings
> with wheel bearing grease.  Is this true?  I'd rather avoid it!  If
> so, can
> I get away with just slapping some new grease in there, or do I have
> to
> take the bearings out, wash them and re-grease.
>
> Thanks,
>
> darren King

   Darren,

    I almost did the same thing a long time back.  My uncle, a certified
mechanic, told me that multipurpose grease would heat up and leak out,
providing no lubrication and possibly ruining my brake shoes.  Years
later, my uncle bought a '62 Tempest, you know the one with the
transaxle, and pulled the front drums to find that that is exactly what
happened to him.  The previous owner used multipurpose grease which
heated up and leaked all over the brake shoes.  It ruined the shoes
which then ruined the drums.  He also replaced the wheel bearings to
avoid pulling the drums twice.  Dig it all out and replace it with wheel
bearing grease.  later.


Paul Brillhart

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:09:33 -0500
From: Darren King <dking@Legato.COM>
Subject: wheel grease part 2

Thanks for the help, guys.  The consensus is that I should
re-grease the bearings (damn!).

Being lazy, do I have to clean and re-grease both bearings or
can I just shove  a glop in.  The rear bearing would involve
removing the hub and seal (which also involves removing the
brake caliper)...work to be sure.

thanks,

darren

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 10:40:32 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

My olds loves to listen to Steve Earle..........kinda makes me want to run
moonshine

- ----------
> From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)
> Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 6:55 AM
>
> I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
> Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
> open Highway....
>
> > Cuzzy Ross:
> >
> >
> > I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
> > Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> >
> > > Dave Ward wrote:
> > > >
> > > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are
there
> > > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> > >
> > > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like
listenin
> > > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the
backroads
> > > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a
nice
> > > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I
can
> > > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc.
still
> > > have some warm evenings here and there?
> > > _____________________________
> > >
> > > Jason K. Adcock
> > > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> > >
> >
> >
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Fax (815) 235-6130
> Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 10:56:13 -0600
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Engine color

Survey question of the day.  What color would a reasonable person expect
the engine color to be upon receipt of a 70 442 from an engine
replacement shop?  Assuming no color was specified.

The shop I got my car back from says _BLACK_.  I am not pleased with
this.  This morning I got on the phone and called several other shops.
About half of them say if the customer doesn't specify the color, the
engine will be black or grey, depending on the shop.  The other half say
they paint every engine OEM colors.

Am I being unreasonable to expect that the engine should come back the
same color that it was when it came in?  If I was installing the engine
myself I would only be a little P.O.ed.  With the engine installed, I'll
have to pull and reinstall the engine to repaint it.  Should I be
compensated for this since the shop refuses to do it or am I in the
wrong here?

All comments welcome.

mike

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:27:58 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

Thanks for all the help everyone.  I've got a week off work during
Christmas break, so I can take it slow and do the job right (instead of
hurrying and trying to get it re-assembled so I can go to work the next
day).
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 11:54:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

My olds likes to listen to Al Green, with the four 6*9's and four 15' inch
woofers in the back, with four gauge power wire supplying the juice to my
system.

"The Colonel of the Tank"
    82 Delta 88


On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, babbott@pdnt.com wrote:

> My olds loves to listen to Steve Earle..........kinda makes me want to run
> moonshine
>
> ----------
> > From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)
> > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 6:55 AM
> >
> > I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
> > Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
> > open Highway....
> >
> > > Cuzzy Ross:
> > >
> > >
> > > I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
> > > Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dave Ward wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are
> there
> > > > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> > > >
> > > > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like
> listenin
> > > > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the
> backroads
> > > > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a
> nice
> > > > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I
> can
> > > > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc.
> still
> > > > have some warm evenings here and there?
> > > > _____________________________
> > > >
> > > > Jason K. Adcock
> > > > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > > > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> > Highland Community College
> > Phone (815) 235-6121
> > Fax (815) 235-6130
> > Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 13:14:55 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ??????? 67 eh??

Thanks for info, I have a 67 442 conv and an F-85. Nice to know it will fit.
 So you felt like you were lucky......well do
ya.....................PUNK!!!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:36:16 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!)

>> "Well, I saved my pennies and my dollars too,
>> Before I knew that my dream would come true,
>> When I would buy a brand new 442......"
>>
>> "My 4-barrel, 4-speed, dual exhaust, 442......"

well how about 4 cylinder 4 valves per cylinder 2 cams == 442

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 15:48:07 +0500
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: TH425 Question

>> E-bodies, it had the TH425. On the C-bodies, it had the TH400. Aside from
>> the TH425, though, whatever it came with would be better than your TH200, so
>> pick it up as well.
>
>        Are the TH425s no good?  I have never dealt with them and never heard
>about them until I was on this list, but I was under the impression that they
>were a really strong tranny because of the number.

They're no good if you have a rear wheel drive car. :)  They're the
transaxle for Toronados.  They're as strong as a TH400 because they're based
on it, but there's no way to make it work in a rear wheel drive car unless
you relocate the motor to the trunk. :)

BTW, the exeption to the higher number=stronger transmission rule is the
TH700.  A big block olds will snap it like a twig without major tranny mods.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista  Cruiser
67 Cultass Supreme
80 Cultass Calais

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 12:25:41 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Where will my car be?

I've thought about that same thing too.  I remember hearing somewhere that
gasoline can be manufactured synthetically, but the cost would be around $5-$6
per gallon, so I don't ever expect to see $25/gallon unless the law of supply
and demand (or taxes!) pushes it up there.  If gasoline were manufactured
en-masse, I'd expect the cost to rise some since we'd probably need more power
plants to generate this gasoline, and more manufacturing facilities to create
it.

Anyhow, I'd probably save the Olds, just store it away "as is" for a few years
and then decide what to do--either just take it out from time to time for "fun"
and spend the money on the gas, or convert it if something really promising
comes along.  If this happens, it might be a great time to stock up on muscle
cars and parts for really cheap!  Big blocks for 10 cents on the dollar!

In the meantime, I'd find something alternate.... bicycle, public
transportation, a cheap electric car (. . .the new 2010 Hurst/Olds, now with
*REAL* lightning rods! Charge those batteries for free!), etc.  Wish my moped
hadn't gotten stolen, it got around 200 mpg and could probably run off of 70
octane fuel!  Of course it had a top speed of 20 (25 downhill with a tailwind),
and you needed to pedal-assist on even the slightest incline. . .

Robert Barry wrote:

> I've given this some thought myself; what would I do with my Olds if the gas
> supply did dwindle to nothing, or if gas got to be $25/gallon?
>
> I'd drive it on alternative fuel through the original engine, at first,
> either propane, natural gas, alcohol (home-distilled, if necessary),
> hydrogen, corn oil, whatever. Then, maybe convert to a more "modern"
> drivetrain (turbine, electric, [steam?]) to keep it going. Maybe hitch it to
> a horse or something...

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:52:47 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Engine color

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Engine color

Survey question of the day.  What color would a reasonable person expect
the engine color to be upon receipt of a 70 442 from an engine
replacement shop?  Assuming no color was specified.

The shop I got my car back from says _BLACK_.  I am not pleased with
this.  This morning I got on the phone and called several other shops.
About half of them say if the customer doesn't specify the color, the
engine will be black or grey, depending on the shop.  The other half say
they paint every engine OEM colors.

Am I being unreasonable to expect that the engine should come back the
same color that it was when it came in?  If I was installing the engine
myself I would only be a little P.O.ed.  With the engine installed, I'll
have to pull and reinstall the engine to repaint it.  Should I be
compensated for this since the shop refuses to do it or am I in the
wrong here?

All comments welcome.

mike

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 13:27:10 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
>
> I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
> Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
> open Highway....
>

gotta love the lyrics to sammy hagars "I cant drive 55"

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:18:10 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: what belongs in cars

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Computers and FWD do NOT belong in cars.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ===============
>
>
> I guess you meant *in combination*, or something. Otherwise, them's fightin'
> words.

Yeah, in combination...  (ooopss)  I didn't realize that the Toro had
FWD...

I ain't openning that can of worms, but I ain't a real fan of FWD
either...  But hey, you can't please all the people all of the time...
And I'm not gonna say that your 68 Toro sucks compared to my 87 RWD
Cutlass...  <G>  That would be like playing russian roulette with 5
bullets in a 6 chamber pistol....  So, before I start another war....

I'm done...  <G>
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:22:50 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Where will my car be?

Robert Barry wrote:

> after that, then I suppose it would be their turn (of course, my '70 would
> be the same to them as a 1910 Olds would be to us!).

Imagine what they said in 1940 about the 1910 Olds....  <G> And what
they said in 1970 about the 40 Olds....  (Get my trend)  A good 1910
Olds if driving down the road, or even sitting in a garage will turn my
head....  Then again, the 1998 Intregue turns my head too...  (sigh)
What should I do now?
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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