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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 23 1997      Volume 01 : Number 920



Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)
Re: funny bracket
Re: Spindles Wanted (Again!)
Re:Parts for Sale
Parts source
Re: You'll all laugh...
Olds Myth or Fact?
RE: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)
Re: Bucket seats
Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
HELP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds
Re: subscribe
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: Bucket seats
Re: perf chip & some ramblings (me too!)
Drunk drivers (started out as an Olds topic...)
Re: funny bracket
Re: You'll all laugh...
Re: perf chip & some ramblings (me too!)
UNBOUNCE: Clips for Chrome - '55 Olds
Re: distributors
HELP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply
Re: Octane booster
Re: Octane booster
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
Re: Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply
1968 Olds dash parts for sale
Re: UNBOUNCE: Clips for Chrome - '55 Olds
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
Re: exhaust
RE: Olds Myth or Fact?
Convertible Top hose
Re: Another Olds Song?
A New Twist on "Die and Sell"?
Re: Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply
Build Sheet
Shift Kits
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Car For Sale
Re: Halls Salvage
Re: Quadrajet
Re: Original Rally Wheel Colors
Re: Exhaust Laws
Re: exhaust
Re: Octane booster
Re: Halls Salvage
What does EGR do?
RE: perf chip & some ramblings
Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$
Re[2]: Halls Salvage
Re: Exhaust Laws
Re: Shift Kits
Re: perf chip & some ramblings - No Olds here :(
Re: What does EGR do?
RE: Shift Kits
Re: Halls Salvage
RE: Shift Kits
JEGS service and 3.73:1

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:35:14 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)

I ensure 5 - my VC goes under regular coverage at $62.00 a month
(liability, uninsured moron coverage, theft) and the rest go under classic
car @ rougly $11 a month - State Farm (because I haven't had time to check
out other classic coverages).  At least my agent has quit asking me "what
make" my *new* car is :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:47:13 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: funny bracket

>My 67' Cutlass ragtop has a funny bracket/brace that runs from the trunk
>spring bracket to the inside of the right quarter panel where it is glued.
My '67 C/S convertible didn't have this.

Previous owner addon for ???????reason??


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:19:38 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Spindles Wanted (Again!)

Dan - no luck at Originality Plus?  They're a *bit* higher but they ALWAYS
have what I've called looking for.

They're in Rancho Cucamonga.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:02:06 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:Parts for Sale

Received the following note off my webpage:

1957== 3 two's intake and carbs == 324 cid engine and trany 56
         olds 88 gastank == power stering pump
         330-927-1838 Ohio

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:03:09 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Parts source

Received this notice off my web page also:

I build and show 68/72 cutlass's and know most cutlass parts
         and salvage in the usa if you can't find a part for 68/72 e mail me
         at www.joecool@isgroup.net


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:30:40 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: You'll all laugh...

Just thought you'd all get a kick out of the bucket lid part...and it
>has gotten nowhere near hot enough to melt either!
____________________________________________________

Hey - if it works, and doesn't cost an arm & a leg, more power to ya!
(Literally).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:04:48 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Olds Myth or Fact?

I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!

GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
         around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
         that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no information.
         One source said they recalled Steve McQueen driving such a
         car once (he was a contemporary of McQueen's, and raced with
         him a few times), and he remembered Steve saying it was a
         beast, too much power, hard to control, and easy to roll over!!! I
         can find no CONCRETE info confirming this. Anyone?

Reply personally to lisa@hotglass.com
Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 03:02:37 UT
From: "Thomas Conlon" <SysEng@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

- -----Original Message-----
From:oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca  On Behalf Of Charley Buehner
Sent:Monday, October 20, 1997 2:45 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: "Good Samaritan"  (gone bad...)

...Like the cop
in Harlem, MT who told a guy in the bar that he ~was not~ to drive home,
then gave him an "intoxicated pedestrian" charge on his way home.
That's ironic.

Here in New Jersey if you are riding with a drunk driver, you get a ticket for
'allowing an intoxicated person to drive.'

- -tc
syseng@msn.com
- -68 Toronado
- -68 mustang 289
- -81 camaro 265 *blush*

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:28:06 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Bucket seats

 Somewhere in IL would be best because shipping
>might be cost prohibitive.

Fear not - I just shipped off a 3rd seat for a wagon via UPS ground - all
70 lbs. of it for $17.00 (2 zones away - read that approx. 2 states).  Not
too bad.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:42:18 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)

> I said before that I've got Rockit's sibling down here (there are both
> the
> same colors (light, and dark blue, lighter lower half), so they even
> look
> alike...).  And now with having a big block in it.....  Now today I
> did see a
> newer Cutlass with the opposite paint scheme (light on the upper half,
> reversed of ours...), but I've kinda "grown into" the way it is.

Before I got the car upon HS graduation, I knew ~exactly~ what I wanted,
an '81 Cutlass Supreme.  Just loved the body style.  Any newer would
have worked, but I aimed at '81 for budget reasons.  It was only eight
years old then (model years).  Depreciation was a factor.  In the search
(which took me about 350 miles of dedicated hunting) I'd seen several
color schemes, many burgandy's, many "dark jadestone's", many "light
jadestone's" a few blue's, and that was about it for '81.  I'd seen
black's and silver's for newer models, but still mostly solid colors.  I
fell in love with the Rockit right away.  That two-tone hooked me.  And
the fact that it was fairly clean, and exactly in my price range was a
cincher.  I drove it off the lot that day.  They took it in the night
before.  He said they couldn't keep those cars on the lot for anything.
(Ford dealer no less...)  So, here's me with my "one-of-a-kind-colored"
Cutlass (long time away from earning a nickname).  I get to Plentywood,
MT (my second home, 45 miles away from my first, spent every weekend of
my senior year, and nearly the entire summer following it, in
Plentywood, living it up, as it were...)  I get my new car there the
first day, and park at a pizza joint to go eat.  Happen to notice my
twin two cars down.  Identical.  Almost 100%.  Mine had spokes, theirs
had SSIII's.  That's it.  I was awe-stricken, shocked, happy, and
pi**ed, all at once.  Got to meet them a week later.  Parked next to
each other at the convenience store.  They looked at my car, and said
"You! - Your the one!"  It seemed that ~all~ of my friends would follow
them home wanting to party, before realizing it really wasn't me.  I
found it amusing.  Also placed an explanation to the many questions I'd
gotten:  "Why didn't you pull over for me, man???"  To date, I've only
seen one other light/dark jadestone like mine.  It's in the middle of my
"Oldsmobile in Action" dressed as an '82 with T-tops carrying the front
tires...  (my car really is green, it just looks like a crap grey cuz
all the paint's gone...)

> So was that "high" 18's an actual track time, or just a "seat of
> pant/stopwatch/odometer" type thing....?

I still have yet to run the Rockit at a real track.  It's all been
stopwatched...

  I know what you mean about
> the top
> end thing, I've just kinda "let it roll out" a time or two.  The one
> time, I
> let it go for a good mile, or so, after it pegged 85 on the speedo....
> the
> car just kinda "floats" down the road.  (this was with the 350 in
> it...).

Don't know if you were on the list then, or not, but a while back I
posted my experience with my custom speedometer.  I took the guts out of
a spare Skylark, and stuck it on the back of the rallye cluster's speedo
face.  Then painted over all the numbers, and got a degree wheel out
(yeah right, but pretty close...) and marked them accordingly.  Of
course, I didn't stop marking at 120, even though it did.  Stuck a
needle on there, and threw 'er together.  Dug out the trusty stopwatch
and went cruising one late night. (couldn't find a fuzzbuster, so had to
make it ~real~ late...)  Timed it at varied speeds, and proved it to be
stopwatch accurate up to 150.  (I'm not making this up, I had to double
check my math, cuz I couldn't really believe it, either...)  This was
with the 403/2.29's.  That speedo was ~ugly~ but it worked, and I sure
enjoyed telling people I could go faster than the dial could...

> Next year I'm thinking of trying to make a trip to Byron Dragway with
> "The
> Beast", once I'm done with it.  Just to see what she'll do...  Gotta
> find a
> different rearend though, and ditch the 2.29's..... and a set of
> airbags.
>
Good choice.  I've been happy with my switch.  I do miss the ability to
break the sound barrier, though.  I guess that's what the stereo is
for.  It'd be handy now, though, with the new Montana laws as they
are...  Oh well...

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:31:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!
>
> GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
>          around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying.

Hmm...  I wonder if maybe they had a fleet of two cars?
4x4x2 ???  Here all along we thought it meant something else ;)

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:10:19 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: HELP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds

I am in a real bind.

The guy who repaired a piece of chrome for my '55 Olds
misplaced the clips which were removed during the repair job.

If you remove the front bumper, they are the chrome pieces that
go on the left and right front fender sheet metal that accent
the bumpers.  They curve around the front and side of each fender.

Anyway, after three years of effort, this BOZO is keeping me from
finishing the car.

Anyone have any of these clips??

Know of a source??

Thanks for your help on this.

Gary Andresen
gandresen@altigen.com
gandresen@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:35:08 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: subscribe

>SUBSCRIBE please

Well, since you asked nicely, I will subscribe!
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 01:37:48 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

>Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
>people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do this,
 [snip]
>over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
>anyway?

None. When the A/C on a Cutlass is not engaged, the pully freewheels, and
thus doesn't consume any horsepower. If you want to have that much more
horsepower, leave the belt on and turn off the air conditioner.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:08:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Bucket seats

>I have a pair of nice finished buckets, dark green.  Pretty sure they are from
>a 68-72 Cutlass.  $100 pair plus shipping from Maryland, which might not make
>sense for you.  email me direct if you're interested.
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442
>toddmorr@us.ibm.com
>
>>I need bucket seats for a 70 cutlass. I guess they wouldn't HAVE to be from
>>a 70 just something similar. Somewhere in IL would be best because shipping
>>might be cost prohibitive.
>
>
>
>I am looking for BLACK VINYL bucket seats for a 1970 Cutlass Rallye 350.
How much would it cost to get the originals recovered? How much would a new
set cost? Does anyone have a good pair of used ones that don't need recovering?

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:54:57 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: perf chip & some ramblings (me too!)

> supposed to pick up the car from the body shop tomorrow at about 5pm,

Body shop?  Thought it was tranny...  That reminds me.  Did ya ever find
pictures of your skidmarks???

> I'm going to be driving my 3/4t pickup   MATHMATICAL EQUASION- 4:10
> gears + small block
  -----chevy-----
> = LOW TOP END SPEEED   I might make it....yea, right

Math sucks...    (your line;)

> I'm figuring (by way of murphys law)that since I have just spent
> -$120  for a new alternator
> -$1500 for a new tranny
> -$1600 for paint & body work
> -$110  for the performace chip

Hmm.  Guess I ~did~ miss the part about body work.  Hmm...

> that the car will likely be totaled within a month by
> -an uninsured motorist (probably in a F*rd)
Just got off one of them-thar psychotic hotline things...  S'posed to
tell ya to watch out for dark grey tauruses... (especially if driven by
a large bull ;)

Still haven't found that CSM manual.  Still looking though.  Don't know
about this weekend yet.  I'll find out Friday morning if I get the truck
or not.  (parents say ~I~ live on whims.  Hmph...)  Half tempted to just
go there regardless.  I need to go to the school and have them sign some
papers for me (can't trust them to mail it back!) so I might just do
it.  Have to stop by the farm and inspect the Rockit first, though.
Perhaps do some parts trading for the road.  I've been missing those
15's, and there's something on the dash that would be nice to have in
Havre...  Maybe I'll find a Code book under the seat, who knows.  Might
yank out that mile and a half of four guage, too...  '83 is well loaded
now, except it could sure use the aforementioned items....  320
underrated watts (loaded should pull over 500)  8Ga. just don't cut
it...  Voltage drops so low the EQ shuts off on heavy bass notes.
Haven't wired in the Audio Control for that reason alone...  2 Pioneer
Premier 10"s in a bandpass.  Hits pretty hard.
Had the alignment checked, tires rot/balanced, and oil changed Monday.
Car should be good for the trip, I guess...  Hafta wait and see.

'Nuff of ~my~ ramblings for now...  Later,

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:57:42 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Drunk drivers (started out as an Olds topic...)

> Here in New Jersey if you are riding with a drunk driver, you get a
> ticket for
> 'allowing an intoxicated person to drive.'
>
WOW!  I guess that makes sense, though.  What happens if the passenger
is passed out drunk, too?  (Would it make a difference if he was passed
out in the trunk?:)

Charley Buehner

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:00:32 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: funny bracket

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> >       My 67' Cutlass ragtop has a funny bracket/brace that runs from
> the trunk
> >spring bracket to the inside of the right quarter panel where it is
> glued.
> My '67 C/S convertible didn't have this.


W-machine prototype battery box?  Mafia car handcuff hook?

What about power antenna bracket?  My '67 98 cvt had a power antenna
back there somewhere.  No idea what held it in place though...

Charley Buehner

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 00:03:13 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: You'll all laugh...

>
> Just thought you'd all get a kick out of the bucket lid part..

Need to put the appropriate label on that lid, now.  Like at a race
track, when you tell that che*y guy you're gonna hafta open up a five
gallon bucket of whoopass, it'll mean that much more to you!  :)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:00:49 -0600
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: perf chip & some ramblings (me too!)

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> > supposed to pick up the car from the body shop tomorrow at about 5pm,
>
> Body shop?  Thought it was tranny...
I was down to 1st gear and reverse so..figuring that I would be without the car
for awhile anyway decided to get it straightend and painted too  so I dumped
the car off the trailer in front of the mechanics shop, made arrangements for
the body shop to pick it up   all in all it spent 3 weeks at each shop

>Did ya ever find pictures of your skidmarks???

YES!! my cousin had lost them, had no clue what happend to them   then the
heater core went out on her S-10 and I got suckered into changing it.  I took
the pass. seat out to clean the carpets (they have a low spot under the seat,
makes a good place for an antifreeze puddle) the pics were wedged between the
seat and the console!!  luckily they were DRY

I was told by two different tranny shops that spinning the car 180 degrees 
TWICE
(no it was NOT a 360) while at interstate speeds would NOT ruin the tranny   I
still find it suspect that the tranny went out less than 3K miles after the
wreck

> > -$1500 for a new trannyit was cheaper to buy a new tranny from GM (440-t4)
than to have the old one rebuilt I checked the price of rebuilts $1350 plus my
old one at one place  $1295 plus mine at another   I paid $1500 installed for
the NEW GM one and I get to keep my old one for scrap aluminum

Dustin

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:03:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Clips for Chrome - '55 Olds

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:10:19 -0700
From:Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: H*LP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds

I am in a real bind.

The guy who repaired a piece of chrome for my '55 Olds
misplaced the clips which were removed during the repair job.

If you remove the front bumper, they are the chrome pieces that
go on the left and right front fender sheet metal that accent
the bumpers.  They curve around the front and side of each fender.

Anyway, after three years of effort, this BOZO is keeping me from
finishing the car.

Anyone have any of these clips??

Know of a source??

Thanks for your help on this.

Gary Andresen
gandresen@altigen.com
gandresen@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:01:40 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> At 12:23 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has to be
> >replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
> >
> >     Hey Bob,
> >
> >     You'll get no resistance from me!
> >
> >     Joe Padavano
> >     padavano.joe@orbital.com
> >
> >     66 442
> >     68 W-30
> >     69 H/O
> >     70 W-30
>
> Truly shocking!
>
> Ray

Almost re-VOLT-ing.....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 03:51:59 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: HELP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds

I am in a real bind.

The guy who repaired a piece of chrome for my '55 Olds
misplaced the clips which were removed during the repair job.

If you remove the front bumper, they are the chrome pieces that
go on the left and right front fender sheet metal that accent
the bumpers.  They curve around the front and side of each fender.

Anyway, after three years of effort, this BOZO is keeping me from
finishing the car.

Anyone have any of these clips??

Know of a source??

Thanks for your help on this.

Gary Andresen
gandresen@altigen.com
gandresen@ibm.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:46:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

Reply to message from ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu of Wed, 22 Oct
>
>Gary Harrod wrote:
>>
>> whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all the
>> other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run all
>> the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this car
>> but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
>> still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone got
>> any ideas?
- -
 a '70 350 into an 87 cutlass... and i thoulght i was alone :), if you
really need to, you can have the carb on the 307 reworked and the chip in
the ecm changed or reprogrammed to work with the 350, there are ways to do
it but not to easy, i'm not putting any of ther  smog stuff back when i do
mine, good luck

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:04:00 -0400
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply

I saw this car either on TV or in a magazine. I appeared to be a shortened
wheelbase 69 442. I thought James Garner (Rockford Files) drove the
car.

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:18:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane booster

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:15:22 EDT, you write:

<< Hey Tom!  Don't some of the Sunocos around there have 100 octane.  Sunoco
 gas rules!
  >>

None that I've ever seen, but then again, I haven't really been looking.  I
just assumed that I had to do the race fuel mix thing that I just described
in my email to Chris Sparks.  I think I'll call Sunoco and get the scoop.  If
the 100 costs $3.99 it costs a lot more to fill a tank with this ($80!!!!)
than to do the mix.  But it would sure be nice to know that, if I was getting
low on the road, I could stop and pump enough to get me home.

Tom

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane booster

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:13:06 EDT, you write:

<< Well I checked my local Unocal '76 station that sells 100 octane gas.
 They are asking $3.99/gallon!  That is too costly if you ask me.

 An optimal question would be how much on the 100 stuff should I add
 to the regular 92 octane gas to get a good running car?
  >>


Chris -

I've found 110-115 octane gas at race shops in my area (in Va outside of the
beltway) that sell it for around $3.50/gal in a 55 gal drum (around $200).
 WIth this higher octane fuel (relative to 100 octane), you can mix less of
it with pump gas and get the same octane result.  The 70 SX W-32 I am
obtaining likes gas around the 98 octane range.  With a 20 gal tank, a 1 to 4
mix with 110-115 yields that result.  So five gallons of the high octane in
each tank (pumped from a 55 gal drum in the garage or driveway) and you are
good to go.

Tom SImmons
71 SX (for sale)
70 SX W-32 (soon, when the 71 is sold)
65 Cutlass (driver)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: J2ROCKET@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

    Hey Charlie, I do seem to remember that off road race car. I do not
believe that it was built by Olds. Probably a race team did it. I also
believe it was driven by James Garner ( of MAVERICK fame) It may have had a
Toronado drive train in the front and in the rear as I recall. Does anyone on
the list have any better memory or info on this one?                J2ROCKET







                                                                            -
    57 Olds Super 88           55 Olds Super 88     72 International Scout
                 - -     97 Pontiac Firebird         95 GMC Sonoma      62
Corvair Spyder

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 06:27:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply

- ---Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com> wrote:
I saw this car either on TV or in a magazine. I appeared to be a
shortened wheelbase 69 442. I thought James Garner (Rockford Files)
drove the car.

!!!!!!!!!!!
You're right, it was James Garner. There were some pix and a write up
in my old Doug Roe Rochester Carburetors book.

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:35:32 -0300
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: 1968 Olds dash parts for sale

Hi Gang,

I have been communicating with someone who has a "complete undamaged dash
insert with bezels ... and with all the knobs and switches" for a 1968
Cutlass.  He's asking $125.

If anyone is interested in these parts, his email address is
<ifishnj@hotmail.com>


Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:31:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Clips for Chrome - '55 Olds

>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date:Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:10:19 -0700
>From:Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
>To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: H*LP with Clips for Front Chrome on '55 Olds
>
>I
>
>The guy who repaired a piece of chrome for my '55 Olds
>misplaced the clips....
>
>
>Anyone have any of these clips??
>
>Know of a source??
>
>Thanks for your help on this.
>
>Gary Andresen
>gandresen@altigen.com
>gandresen@ibm.net
>
>
If you have a sample of the clips, NAPA dealers can probably find some to
match. My NAPA dealer has no competence in looking up such things. Another
kind of business that is often knowledgeable about trim clips is one that
replaces windshields & other car glass. I struck out there too.

In my case, I had no sample clips, and called all the usual Olds specialty
suppliers (Year One, Fusick's, Brothers,....).  The only place that could
tell me what exactly I needed & then supply the clips was Tamraz's
(800-442-4601). Good luck!

Roger Hitson

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:39:24 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>


>I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!
>
>GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
>         around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
>         that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no information.
>         One source said they recalled Steve McQueen driving such a
>         car once (he was a contemporary of McQueen's, and raced with
>         him a few times), and he remembered Steve saying it was a
>         beast, too much power, hard to control, and easy to roll over!!! I
>         can find no CONCRETE info confirming this. Anyone?
>
I remember reading something about this a while back. I'll see if I can dig
it up.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:45:01 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: exhaust

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>


>I own an '82 Cutlass powered by a '76 455.  Is there any way that a
>tubular frame would allow the use of headers without sacrificing
>turning radius?

You can install headers with your stock frame and keep the factory turning
radius. I know because I had an '82 Cutlass with a '76 455 JR headers and 2
1/2"duels exiting out right behind the rear tires just like the '80s 442s
and H\Os. The exhaust shop wasn't to excited about running 2 1/2" pipe over
the rear end but they did it.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:06:53 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Olds Myth or Fact?

GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no information.
- ----------
Wouldn't that be the BANSHEE? See www.442.com for more information.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:46:43 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Convertible Top hose

Well, I'm back.  After 5 days without e-mail from this list I was suffering
from a little withdrawal :)  Thanks Lisa and Steve for taking the time to
help me out.  I just resubscribed and that seemed to fix things right up.
Anyway, I was just curious if anyone on the list had a set of convertible
top hoses they might be willing to part with?  I need some for my '69 442
Convertible as I just purchased a top and would like to get that whole
setup working while I have everything off.  If not, does anyone have a
Motor/pumps/hoses set they'd be willing to sell?  Thanks.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:57:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

Jason,

This line is from a pathetic Pop/Country song called "Afternoon Delight".
I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about cars, but it's a nice thought.

Tom

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Adcock, Jason K. wrote:

> There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right now (I
> live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played a song that
> goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."  Could this be in reference
> to the Olds rocket?  Didn't Olds put "Sky Rocket" on it's air cleaner
> stickers in the 50's?  Just a wild guess...probably no connection.  Thanks.
> _______________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> OCA ª028044
>
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> 1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
> 1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
> 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:01:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: A New Twist on "Die and Sell"?

In my heart (and lungs) I've had the strong feeling that the environmentalist
position that Diesel exhaust was almost harmless just couldn't be true.
 Being a biologist who has worked with the laser industry a long time, I've
learned that lasers ( and other sources of energy such as electro-cautery)
when used on plastics, tissue in medical procedures and anything else made up
of primarily of complex carbon, hydrogen and oxygen molecules, can produce
some really nasty carcinogens including a variety of cyclic compounds like
benzene.

I don't know this for sure, but I suspect gasoline has less chance to produce
this kind of stuff because the molecules are smaller and less complex than
those in Diesel fuel.

Just got this off the AOL news service.

See, AOL is good for something after all.  ;-)

****************************************

Japanese scientists reportedly suspect that a chemical found in the exhaust
fumes of diesel engines may be the most carcinogenic ever found, and the
cause of a rise in urban lung cancers. The New Scientist magazine says the
compound, 3-nitrobenzanthrone, had the highest ever score on a standard test
for cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals. It also caused chromosomal
aberrations in the blood cells of mice. Hitomi Suzuki of Japan's Kyoto
University says he believes the recent increase in the number of lung cancer
patients in vehicle-congested areas is closely linked with the compound.
*************************************

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:23:29 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact? -Reply

Tony Molinaro wrote:
>
> I saw this car either on TV or in a magazine. I appeared to be a shortened
> wheelbase 69 442. I thought James Garner (Rockford Files) drove the
> car.
>
> Tony Molinaro
> amolinaro@mbakercorp.co

The car I think we are talking about is in the March 1970 issue which I
have sitting in front of me, of Popular Hot Rodding. The driver was
James Garner and the car is a 1970 Olds W31 in which he put on large off
road tires in both the front and the back of the car. The race was the
Mexican 1000 in Ensenada, Mexico. The name of the car was the Goodyear
Grabber Olds. In case anyone was interested in knowing how he finished,
he finished 2nd in his class. In the 1969 off road race and same course
he drove a F*rd Bronco and finished 4th in the race. This must mean that
if you want a good off road vehicle buy an Olds and do just a few
adjustments.


Tom Williams
1970 W31

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:18:49 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Build Sheet

I have added the build sheet and window sticker (Car Shipping Order) to
my WEB site for my 70-442. Some list members have indicated they want to
see what one looks like. It is located at
http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html

BTW, someone on the list is in the Greenville SC area. Do you know if
Judson Minyard Inc. Pleasantburg Dr N is still there. I guess it was the
Olds dealer in 70. That is were my car was shipped to. I brought the car
from the original owner so I know most of the history of the car.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 08:30:13 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Shift Kits

  I was thinking about putting in a shift kit when I change my transmission
fluid this weekend and was wondering if there's anyway to tell if there's
one already installed?

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:37:51 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

> Gary Harrod wrote:
> >
> > whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus,

For a 70 350 4BBL the horsepower rating was 310 hp

Robert Schinkel
1970 W - 31
1970 442 Conv.
1970 Cutlass Conv. (13.4 ET)
1970 Rallye 350

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:41:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Car For Sale

Got a call from a local gentleman who owns a 1969 Olds 98 Conv
I sold him a recromed rear bumper for it 5 years ago and still hasn't put it
on, he uses the car so little. The car is original and only 80,000 miles Car
in is in decent shape and runs great, I haven't seen it but understand it may
have the wrong engine (a 350). He is asking $4500.00 - 5000.00 for the car.

Car is located in East Providence, R.I.
Call Bob Penta  home- 401-438-2530  or  work 401-435-5540

or E-Mail PPENTA@AOL.COM

I have on connection with this but will be glad to go look at for anyone who
wants me to.

Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

Hi Dave
   I am the guy who bought two 48 foot semi-loads from Halls Auto Salvage.
One load was all Oldsmobile the other load was everything else. I have sold
the 30-40 vintage Olds parts to Mike Fusick of Fusick Automotive in Conn.
  The rest of the Olds parts are here in R.I. It has been a real undertaking.
I new that at least 75% was already identified but as I sorted it out I
realized most of it was marked wrong, so I have had to recheck everything.
   I had promised NOS parts lists by the end of April but I was only fooling
myself. My summer was pretty busy with all the shows I attend so it moved
slow during that time.
  I am now dedicated full days to getting it finished and posted to a newer
program in my computor. With everything  going as planned I should be done in
about 6-7 weeks.
   So anyone reading this who has requested a list, I didn't get lost just
delayed .
   Thanks for being patient and you will get one.

Everett  Horton OCA 1961   1961 Starfire
1-401-435-7139

E & G Automotive
P.O. Box  16095
Rumford, R.I. 02916

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 09:47:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet

Steven,
I'm assuming you have the fuel filter that fits inside the front of the
carb, and you need the flat, round gasket that goes between the fuel
filter housing and the carb.

You should be able to get this gasket at any auto parts store, although
they may have to order it for you as there is not a lot of demand for this
gasket.  You may also have to buy an assortment of these gaskets to be
sure you get the right one, but they are dirt cheap.  Specifically, Dorman
makes these gaskets, as well as many other types of small automotive
accessories.  I know that most Big A stores sell Dorman products, but
again, you should be able to get this gasket almost anywhere.

Tom

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Steven Saraceno wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if I can purchase only the gasket for my '70 4bl
> quadrajet.  The one in the front where the fuel filter goes.  It must be
> about an inch in diameter.  I assume I can use any gasket that is for a
> fuel line that is the approximate size.
>
> Steven
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:08:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Original Rally Wheel Colors

Mike,
You need the paint code from the car to match the original paint.  I'm not
sure where it's located on a '77, but any store that sells automotive
paint should be able to help you with this.  They will also be able to
sell you paint that matches the original color of your car.  Keep in mind,
however, that if you are doing repair work (as opposed to painting the
whole car) the original color might be difficult to match due to fading.
I generally use DuPont products, but there are many good brands of
automotive paint.

Tom


On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:

> Does anyone know what the original Rallye Wheel Rim Colors would bee
> for a Blue 1977 Cutlass Supreme? I can get the VIN ª if that helps or
> not. Also, whatever the originaly color may be, does anyone know
> where or how to get ahold of paint that matches that color or can get
> close to it anyway. Right now I just use spray paint, but, would like
> a change.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:28:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Laws

Mike,

I think it is the year of the car, not the engine.  It is illegal for any
muffler shop to remove the catalytic converter from a car that originally
came with one.  Here are acouple of ways I've heard that people get pat
this.

1. Remove all of the exhaust to the point before the converter yourself.
When the mechanic asks you if the car had a converter originally, just say
"no" or "I don't know".  A lot of shops will take your word for it
because they are to busy to check it out more thoroughly or, conversely,
because they need the business.

2. Have the shop put the headpipes on the car, put the mufflers on
yourself, then have another shop do the tailpipes.

3. Buy a prefab exhaust from a catalog or speed shop.  These are generally
more expensive than a custom dual exhaust, and are usually just available
for use with headers.

None of these solutions will make you car any more legal; However,
depending on how far you are from Chicago, or wheteher you drive in
Chicago regularly, it's possible that nobody will ever check for a
converter on your car anyway.  I live in downstate Illinois, and nobody
ever thinks of checking for them, although that time is probably coming.

Tom
 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician
wrote:

> Ok, heres the deal, got a 77 Cutlass Supreme, with a 70 350 in it, is
> it legal to just run strait pipes and muflers (duals) or do I have to
> have the Cataletic Converts on this sucker. From what I remember of
> emmisions laws, (in Illinois along time ago anyway) if the engine was
> factory without Cat Converts, the car didn't have to have them,
> hopefully I am not wrong on this though, cus I am supposed to have
> Duals with Strait Pipes put on this weekend. TIA
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:54:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: exhaust

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
>
>
> >I own an '82 Cutlass powered by a '76 455.  Is there any way that a
> >tubular frame would allow the use of headers without sacrificing
> >turning radius?
>
> You can install headers with your stock frame and keep the factory turning
> radius. I know because I had an '82 Cutlass with a '76 455 JR headers and 2
> 1/2"duels exiting out right behind the rear tires just like the '80s 442s
> and H\Os. The exhaust shop wasn't to excited about running 2 1/2" pipe over
> the rear end but they did it.
>
> Daren
>
>
Do you have a phone number or address for JR headers?


Thanks


Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:03:32 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

As far as I know,it is part of the Union 76 chain.




At 09:10 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-10-22 07:53:45 EDT, you write:
>
><< came
> >across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane >>
>
>Where did you come accross that?  Is it just a local gas station set-up?  If
>it is a chain, I'd like to find a local one in the Washington DC area.
>
>Tom Simmons
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:35:07 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

At 07:12 PM 10/22/97 EDT, you wrote:
Dave

        Everett Horton bought those two trailers full.

Jim Chermack


>A while back when Halls closed, I seem to recall hearing about someone
>who bought a trailer or two full of parts from them.  Did anyone else
>hear about this?  Is it true?  If so, does anybody know who bought the
>parts and if they're selling them?
>
>dave
>
>
>Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@juno.com
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:03:01 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: What does EGR do?

I know my car has it, but I know absolutely nothing about what it does.


Matt Cremean
(boy, I really need to get my sig file back!)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 14:07:08 -0500
From: "Hulben, Stephanie A." <SHULBEN@monm.edu>
Subject: RE: perf chip & some ramblings

actually, i've heard that called Boutcher's rule of life sucks, whatever
you don't want to happen, will.  I'm waiting for someone to hit me in
the rear end for the same law of life.  because of excessive flood
waters, my entire back end is rusted out-i have no trunk.  My Dad and
uncle will soon be doing some work to repair that, anybody got any
suggestions?  It's a 72 Cutlass Supreme.  My Dad also owns a 58
eighty-eight.  anybody else out there got one of those?  I've heard
they're rare.
Steph

> ----------
> From: Dustin Cross[SMTP:livnrt@mssl.uswest.net]
> Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 6:24 PM
> To: oldslist
> Subject: perf chip & some ramblings
>
> UPS brought me a performance chip for my '89 CS today!!   strange part
> was that two days
> after I had ordered it they called and said they didnt have one to
> send me, so I
> cancelled the order    maybe it wont show up on the mastercard....yea,
> right
>
> supposed to pick up the car from the body shop tomorrow at about 5pm,
> trick is its
> almost 300 miles away and I cant leave here until about 11:30 that
> doesnt look bad, I
> only have to average about 55mph   BUT   the part that makes the whole
> thing tricky is
> I'm going to be driving my 3/4t pickup   MATHMATICAL EQUASION- 4:10
> gears + small block
> = LOW TOP END SPEEED   I might make it....yea, right
>
> when I do get the car back, I'm going to check its 0-60 and 1/4 mile
> times then put in
> the chip and check 'em again    I always keep record of the miles
> traveled and gas used,
> so I'll compare before and after on that too.
>
> I'm figuring (by way of murphys law)that since I have just spent
> -$120  for a new alternator
> -$1500 for a new tranny
> -$1600 for paint & body work
> -$110  for the performace chip
>
> that the car will likely be totaled within a month by
> -an uninsured motorist (probably in a F*rd)
> -an uninsured meteor  (just dawned on me that could be a mercury, but
> I meant the other)
> -a motorist whose insured with a company that will pay me $2,500 for
> my car ('cause it
> was in such good shape!)
> -in the event of the first two, my insurance company would probably
> give me $2,000 for
> my car ('cause it was in such good shape!)
>
> let ya know what happens
> Dustin
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$

can anyone tell me the value of a 71 toro 455?,  motor is froze up, but the
heads might be good.   heads are G code with the following ª`s just below the
valve covers in the center of the head;  408 100   please reply steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 97 15:05:14 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Halls Salvage


Everett  Horton OCA 1961   1961 Starfire
                    ^^^^   ^^^^
                      \     /
                       \   /
     OK.  The real question is how did you do this?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:23:01 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Exhaust Laws

Mike, I just got my pickup tested in Chicago the other day, they didn't
look for anything under the car but are now testing fuel cap pressure.
The test was a snap otherwise.

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 13:32:30 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Shift Kits

the company making the shift kit usually puts there name on the separator
plate

- ----------
> From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Shift Kits
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 2:30 PM
>
>   I was thinking about putting in a shift kit when I change my
transmission
> fluid this weekend and was wondering if there's anyway to tell if there's
> one already installed?
>
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:09:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: perf chip & some ramblings - No Olds here :(

Hulben, Stephanie A. wrote:
>
> actually, i've heard that called Boutcher's rule of life sucks,
> whatever
> you don't want to happen, will.  I'm waiting for someone to hit me in
> the rear end for the same law of life.  because of excessive flood
> waters, my entire back end is rusted out-i have no trunk.

Hmm. I rearended a car like that in High School...  A little mustang,
girl stopped on the highway for a road construction dip, on her way to
graduation.  Our f*rd couldn't...  Crunch!  It had been rearended
before, and, being a farm car, was constructed mainly of plywood.  It
didn't hold up very well...  It was classed as a no-fault, and our
insurance company gave her $800 for it.  They bought a Buick out of the
deal.  Much closer...  Five years later, 250 miles away, I put a CD
player in that Buick, but it had changed hands a few times in between...

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:18:20 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> I know my car has it, but I know absolutely nothing about what it
> does.
>
Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  Basically runs exhaust through the intake to
take up airspace that could be used by the air/fuel mix.  This extra
space can cause more horsepower, when used correctly, and Detroit wanted
to avoid that possibility.  However, in devising this cruel scheme, they
noticed that the exhaust actually cooled the combustion process, which
happened to reduce the level of Oxides of Nitrogen (NOx) which is
something the EPA had been whining about for years...


OK, OK, so maybe it didn't happen ~quite~ like that, but it does cool
the combustion process, (can't burn exhaust very well!) which reduces
NOx, allows more advanced timing, and one more item for technicians to
diagnose!

Clear it up some?  Hopefully.  I've got phones ringing off the hook, and
my lunch hour is now done, so I gotta go.  Hope that helps a little...

> (boy, I really need to get my sig file back!)
ME TOO!

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:53:00 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Shift Kits

Assuming you have a TH350 tranny. You have to look for extra plates
between the valve body and the base. If you take the valve body off and
remove the plates, usually the ª2 check ball has been removed for
stronger shifts.

You should be able to check by driving the car a little harder. Waiting
until 4500 rpm before shifting into 2nd gear. If you get a heavy shift
with the tires chirping then most likely you have a shift kit.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Tim Rudolph[SMTP:trudolph@frii.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 10:30 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Shift Kits
>
>   I was thinking about putting in a shift kit when I change my
> transmission
> fluid this weekend and was wondering if there's anyway to tell if
> there's
> one already installed?
>
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 17:48:24 EDT
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

OK, I was just thinking about it the other day and wondering what
happened.  Couldn't remember if it was true or just a rumor.  Had
forgotten...

dave


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com


On Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) ANTIQOLDS@aol.com writes:
>Hi Dave
>   I am the guy who bought two 48 foot semi-loads from Halls Auto
>Salvage.
>One load was all Oldsmobile the other load was everything else. I have
>sold
>the 30-40 vintage Olds parts to Mike Fusick of Fusick Automotive in
>Conn.
>  The rest of the Olds parts are here in R.I. It has been a real
>undertaking.
>I new that at least 75% was already identified but as I sorted it out
>I
>realized most of it was marked wrong, so I have had to recheck
>everything.
>   I had promised NOS parts lists by the end of April but I was only
>fooling
>myself. My summer was pretty busy with all the shows I attend so it
>moved
>slow during that time.
>  I am now dedicated full days to getting it finished and posted to a
>newer
>program in my computor. With everything  going as planned I should be
>done in
>about 6-7 weeks.
>   So anyone reading this who has requested a list, I didn't get lost
>just
>delayed .
>   Thanks for being patient and you will get one.
>
>Everett  Horton OCA 1961   1961 Starfire
>1-401-435-7139
>
>E & G Automotive
>P.O. Box  16095
>Rumford, R.I. 02916
>
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:08:10 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: RE: Shift Kits

At 05:53 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Assuming you have a TH350 tranny. You have to look for extra plates
>between the valve body and the base. If you take the valve body off and
>remove the plates, usually the ª2 check ball has been removed for
>stronger shifts.
>
>You should be able to check by driving the car a little harder. Waiting
>until 4500 rpm before shifting into 2nd gear. If you get a heavy shift
>with the tires chirping then most likely you have a shift kit.
>
>Fernando Proietto
>Systems Analyst - Informatics

Its a TH-400 and at WOT it shifts at around 4500 like you say but I can't
honestly tell you if the tires would chirp.  They don't make any noise, but
I can't get 'em to make any noise by doing anything since they're so worn..
I think they do slip a bit, but I don't know if that's caused by the tires
having next to 0 traction or because of the installation of a shift kit..
I suppose I could just buy one and figure it out later.  Not that much of
an expense..  Thanks for the info though.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:11:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: JEGS service and 3.73:1

Well, got that Richmond 3.73:1 ring and pinion today... the quality of the
part itself seems to be good, but I'm afraid that I can't say the same
thing about JEGS service!  First off, it was supposed to be delivered at
my friend's house (I live in an apartment and a neighbor owns a g-body),
but instead of delivering it to his house it was delivered to his aunt's
house where he had had his rear end sent a year ago.  We specifically told
them to send it to his address.  His aunt was not expecting the part and
therefore, it sat outside, for two days, in downtown Greeneville, before
she noticed it!  Secondly the state of the packaging was horrid!
Evidentally, it was delivered that way (by UPS).  The original box
was torn, the styrofoam protecting the part was in pieces, and the whole
thing was contained in a huge plastic bag (the ring and pinion were
floating in the bag as well.  Me and my friend checked the parts
carefully, and can't find any damage... but it's not for lack of trying.
I think that for close to 200 bucks, they should at least be able to keep
the box in one damn piece.  I think next time I'll order from someone
else.  Anybody else had problems like this with them?

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton (next time I'm ordering from Summit) Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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