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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 14 1997      Volume 01 : Number 955



Re: Convertible top switch connections
Re: How to tell if it's closed loop
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: '63 Starfire FS
Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...
70 W-30 incorrect ª's
Re: rearend
Re: Convertible top switch connections
Re: ADMIN: Mail Addresses
Re: 307 on nitrous...
Re: 307 on nitrous...
Re: HI & Auto favorites
Re: Cooling topics
Re: Spark Plugs
Re: new toy
Re: Cooling topics
Re: Spark Plugs
Re: 70 W-30 incorrect ª's
Parts needed
Re: New Aluminum Olds Heads: Any Report from SEMA yet?
G-body mods
Locker Rear Ends
Re: yea you think youre into olds
UNBOUNCE: Locker Rear Ends
Re: the Quad 442
Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET
Re: Greetings
Re: Junk yard Find
Head I.D.
goodmorning  everett
Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?
Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles
Re: G-body mods
Police Chases
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
Re: Police Chases
ANSWER...
Re: Police Chases
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: new toy
[none]
re:  key in/headlight on chime
Date:Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:11:14 -0600
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Re: 120 mph speedo
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Cooling topics
More Parts
RE: Holley TBI
Re: 307 on nitrous...
Re: new toy
Re: Cooling topics
RE: Spark Plugs
Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Miscs from the Brown stable
Re: yea you think youre into olds
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Cooling topics
Re: transmission problem
Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair
Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?
Re: Threats to Safety (long)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:42:39 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible top switch connections

This wire goes though the grommet in the dash and connects to the circuit
breaker on the fire wall below the master cylinder.

This is fed by a wire from the horn relay.

>Hello,
>  I received my complete motor/pump setup today (from Robert Schinkel,
>highly reccomended from me).  Now examining my wiring setup further I found
>that the top switch on my '69 442 has an orange wire with a black stripe
>into the middle which would be the main "power" feed.  Now the other end of
>that wire happens to be dangling under my dash.  All I need to know is
>where that wire is supposed to hook up to.. does anyone have any idea?
>Thanks.
>
>Tim Rudolph
>trudolph@frii.com
>'69 442 Convertible


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:28:23 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: How to tell if it's closed loop

According to my '84 Riviera manual (with CCC), varying dwell (duty cycle)
on the MC soleniod test lead is indicative of closed loop operation.  A
note in the manual says that certain engines have very stable dwell at idle
and to choke the engine to verify fixed or varying dwell.

It would be a bit of a challenge to convert this to light an LED but
certainly not impossible.

>Interesting project, Tom
>
>Basically, closed loop just indicates a mode in which the computer
>varies the car between rich and lean to obtain a stoich average.  The
>only way to tell for sure is if you read the signal from the Oxygen
>Sensor.  Depending on the calibration and signal range of that signal,
>the voltage signal will vary about a specific point (stoich) in closed
>loop.  In tapping into this wire though I fear you might damage or
>weaken the signal going to the computer.  You might consider adding your
>own second O2 sensor by welding a boss on the exhaust to accept it.
>
>I am a little curious, though...why do you want to know this?  Is the
>car running badly?  Did you put in a custom programable computer? Just
>curious
>
>Sounds pretty cool!
>John Ramsey
>'69 Cutlass 'S'
>
>I'm tinkering with a winter project for the '84 H/O, a small indicator
>and switch panel that will go where the ashtray is.  I plan to
>incorporate a TCC lockup indicator, force and defeat TCC lockup
>switches, a switch to put the CCC in diagnostic mode, and maybe a kill
>switch (probably the barrel key type), and one empty switch for future
>use.
>
>I'd also like to have an indicator, just an LED, that tells me when the
>car is running in closed loop or open loop mode.  Does anyone know how I
>
>can tell this and what wire or system I can tap off of to get a signal
>of some sort?   Ground, 12v, 5v, whatever I can get it I can work with.
>The only way I know to tell for *sure* if it's closed loop is hook a
>dwell meter up to the mixture control solenoid.
>
>When done, I'll see about putting pictures and/or schematics on my web
>page.
>- --
>Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
>http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
>Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
>
>350)


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:56:30 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Take a closer look at that Jeg's catalog.  Those Poncho head prices are
each, not for a pair!  Personally if the heads prove to be a good design I
think the price is fair.  After all, if any of you are not used to paying
more than the Ch*vy guy by now then perhaps you should switch.  Like it or
not our prices won't come down.  That is the trade off for being unique in
the automotive world.
Travis Adams
65 442 post

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:59:47 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: '63 Starfire FS

> I just saw the following ad, thought someone might be interested:
>
> '63 Oldsmobile Starfire 2-Door Hard Top.  Running condition, body straight,
> $1200.  Also two parts cars.  Superior, MT  (406) 822-4048 evenings.
>
> The picture looks nice, straight with no rust (but it's a small picture).

Hmmm.  Only half an hour from Missoula....too bad I've already got
too many projects :(.  How about you charley?  Need another :)

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:03:07 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> in thier catalog...also, does anyone know if an 86 307 is a vacuum
> distributor or not...I have no idea, if someone could explain all of
> that I'd appreciate it...sorry its a stupid question...

The only thing I could answer from your post was the vacuum question.  My
1984 HEI is not.  I'm sure they didn't go back to it after mine was made.
Everything is electronic, including electronic spark advance.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:18:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Djbrand407@aol.com
Subject: 70 W-30 incorrect ª's

I'm looking at a W-30 to buy and all the ª's check out other than the
transmission and rear end. The transmission tag says "OG" anstead of "OW".
What is the difference?. Can an "OG" be upgraded? I was told that the only
difference between the two is that the "OG" does not have the quick shift kit
in it. Is that true? The rear end has the wrong stamp.(SE)  The car does not
have posi or a sway bar . Are the correct differentials available? Please
HELP!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:25:36 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: rearend

In a message dated 97-11-13 17:08:58 EST, you write:

<< How much is a posi rearend worth  2.73 with the rotors? >>

I'm looking at this very same axle myself for $200, already set up.  Are you
selling or buying?

Tom Simmons
Great Falls, VA

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:27:11 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible top switch connections

At 08:42 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>This wire goes though the grommet in the dash and connects to the circuit
>breaker on the fire wall below the master cylinder.
>
>This is fed by a wire from the horn relay.
>

Ok.. guess I gotta find me one of these.  Does anyone have a good
description of one?  It may be in one of my boxes of parts, half of which I
can't identify.  If I don't have one, does anyone on the list happen to
have a spare?  If not, anyone know a good place to find these?  Thanks as
usual.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:42:30 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Mail Addresses

But others are more of a problem; Rob's caninet
> account seems to refuse mail every now and then and I never am sure if
> it's a real problem or not.
>
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg is there anything I could do to rectify this problem?

Rob Schinkel


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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:39:17 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 307 on nitrous...

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> I just thought I'd tell you all about my latest local find...there is a
> guy near me who has about an 83 or 84 C/S that is completely stock, and
> he's running Nitrous in it...Isn't that bad, or can a stock 307 take
> that much abuse w/o a better cam, crank, pistons, rods and bolts?

First of all, he's not getting the full benefit from the nitrous.  The
307 has a very restrictive breathing system, which can be modified to a
certain degree.  Are you sure the pistons and cam are stock?  Nitrous
will eat those stock pistons in no time flat, depending how far the
bottle is opened up.  Even if it's opened a little, the pistons wouldn't
last very long at all...

Once again, the engine can't breathe very well with the restricitve
intake, especially with a stock cam!  If he had done the ports, valves,
and cam he'd likely have gotten the same power boost that he's getting
now from the nitrous.  The motor would last a lot longer, too...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:42:00 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 307 on nitrous...

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> I just thought I'd tell you all about my latest local find...there is a
> guy near me who has about an 83 or 84 C/S that is completely stock, and
> he's running Nitrous in it...

Can it get the G-body up to 160mph?  I've heard that those 307's can run
around 789hp with a little nitro and a bottle of Wynn's "Tune Up In A
Can"...

S.D.W.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:51:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: HI & Auto favorites

>swap in a new timing chain. This is important as Soylent Ocean Mist runs
>pretty well at approximately fifteen (!!!) degrees before TDC  (spec is seven
>and a half degrees). Realize that a stretched timing chain can cause your
>valves to open later than normal, adversely affecting performance. Our
>various conversations about a cam designed for 39 degree cam-bank-angle in an
>engine with a 45-degree cam-bank-angle would result in valves opening 3
>degrees early or three degrees late, the early valves in one cylinder head
>and the late ones in the other. [ At least I stated this much without anyone
>offering any sort of objection. Not much seems to be written/known about the
>1965 "A" blocks outside of the FAQ. ]

OK, I'll object... ;)

Though the lifter is in contact with the lobe's opening ramp 6' sooner than
it should be (the 39' or 45' is measured from the block center, not the
other lifter bank), cam timing is measured at the crank, which rotates at
*double* the cam speed (and double the degrees); hence, using a 39' cam in a
45' block makes one cylinder bank's cam timing to be 12' retarded in all its
values, and the other bank 12' *advanced*!

>  Needless to say, a stretched timing
>chain will probably compensate for the three early degrees, but adversely
>affect the late valves.

Well, a stretched chain might make one side not run as badly as with a new
chain (though it would still be very far from _good_), but the other side
will run even *worse*!

>Any comments on this notion (that is all it is, really, just idle speculation
>- - I spend way too much time in traffic)? Anyone? No opinions on this matter
>will be ridiculed by me. (Except for cases of extreme brain atrophy)

I think we can make a general rule here-and-now: 39' cams in 39' blocks, and
45' cams in 45' blocks!

>Dr. Bob?  (P.S. Hi!)  Anyone?

Glad to have you back!

>Carpooling, gotta love it. The money I save pays for my insurance!

So you don't drive your car, in order to afford the insurance on it? Where's
that logic textbook...

;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:21:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

In a message dated 97-11-11 09:29:28 EST, you write:

<< My brother went to his local Buick GS chapter meeting
 last weekend and forwarded the following on to me.  I'm not
 sure I agree with all the points, but it makes for interesting
 reading none the less.

 >Our tech session was on cooling, and we had a engineer from
 >Modine show up. Pretty interesting.

 >Some highlights:
 >- A new radiator loses 10% cooling capacity after only one
 >  year due to deposit buildup.
 >- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
 >- All things being equal, copper/brass radiators cool better
 >  than aluminum.
 >- A three row high efficiency core cools better than a 4-row.
 >  (They only make 4-rows because there is a demand for them :)
 >- Prestone has the best corrosion inhibitors, Zerex is next.
 >- Water cools better than antifreeze.
 >- Thermostats are rated when they crack open, full open is 15
 >  degrees higher. He said he has shimmed them to crack open at
 >  145 so he could run the engine at 160.
 >- All electric fans are junk. The Hayden 16" straight blade is
 >  the closest to useful though.
 >- An electric fan running when the car is moving faster than
 >  55mph impeded the airflow.
 >- Removing the thermostat *will* make your car run cooler. >>

Does everyone agree with all of this? I just wanted to know if
anyone found any discrepencies with any of this......TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:24:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

In a message dated 97-11-14 00:09:52 EST, you write:

<< Jason Adcock wrote:

 > Seriously, are these Bosch plugs really worth the money?  My three choices
 > are Bosch, AC Rapidfire, and regular AC.  Has anyone had any bad
 > experiences with any of these?  Thanks for responding. >>

Does any body know if AC makes the R45S. R44S in the CR45S and CR44S
plug format?  My local parts stores dont have them and cant tell me for sure
if they do or dont. 3 cheers for the Parts America mentality....TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:25:35 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: new toy

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> > Techincality...  <G>  Why are the 96-98s Titled as Delta 88s in South
> > Carolina?
>
> 'Cause DMVs usually have no idea of what's going on when it comes to
> motor vehicles!  Someone should point out this flaw in their system.
> They are registering cars that do not exist, hence, the folks driving
> these cars are driving unregistered vehicles!  DMV's - gotta love'em!

Hahahah, no doubt...  I got no need to point out the mistake, unless I
get money for it...  And SC's DMV wouldn't give anyone the time, let
alone money...
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:38:07 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

>  >- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.

I tend to agree, but I also think that the faster you can "shove air
down it's throat" the better it cools...  Have you ever overheated doing
65MPH, even if the car constantly runs warm at a stand still?

>  >- Prestone has the best corrosion inhibitors, Zerex is next.
>  >- Water cools better than antifreeze.

I think these are "personal" views, cause there will always be someone
against Prestone's useage cause they didn't have any luck with it...
But I tend to use it.  As for the water part.......  Does Anti-Freeze
have a lower boiling point that water?

>  >- Thermostats are rated when they crack open, full open is 15
>  >  degrees higher. He said he has shimmed them to crack open at
>  >  145 so he could run the engine at 160.

Why shim??  Why not buy the right thermostat for the application? <G>

>  >- All electric fans are junk. The Hayden 16" straight blade is
>  >  the closest to useful though.

Another "personal" view.  If they car is used for daily driving, or any
driving greater than a mile, I'd say no.  Again, about the Hayden fan,
apply the part about Prestone.

>  >- An electric fan running when the car is moving faster than
>  >  55mph impeded the airflow.

So would a regular fan then...  They all do, most of the "stock" styled
ones anyway.

>  >- Removing the thermostat *will* make your car run cooler. >>

Found to be true...  Well, with a Mustang II anyways...  It had the
timing a little off, and liked to run warm, so I got ticked and took out
the thermostat, then it never seemed to get up to operating temp.

> Does everyone agree with all of this? I just wanted to know if
> anyone found any discrepencies with any of this......TIM

Answer your question? -
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:41:34 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

> if they do or dont. 3 cheers for the Parts America mentality....TIM

Quoting Parts America's Commercial:

You want parts, you want 'em now, you want 'em cheap...  Well come to
Parts America where are ASE certified mechanics will have what you need.

hahahah...  You too have seen the irony in this???  False advertisement,
I think not... They'd say "Technically, you NEED this P/A brand plug
instead!"
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:17:47 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 70 W-30 incorrect ª's

At 11:18 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
This car sounds to be one of two things. Either it's had all the good stuff
stripped off it or it's a Cutlass or plain 442 in W-30 trim. Here's some
things to check

VIN  344XXMXXXXXX (got to be a Lansing car "M")
Red inner fenderwells
No sound deading
Outside Air Induction Hood and Air cleaner.
"F" cylinder heads (
Q-jet number ª7040258
W and Z exhaust manifolds
Distributor ª1111979
Engine block casting ª396021-F (with matching VIN number under ª1 plug on 
block)
Aluminum intake with the word Oldsmobile W-455 on it. (PN 406115)
Boxed lower control arms in the rear (this is a must for any 442)
Sway bar (this is a must for any 442)
Disc Brakes
OW Transmission (which you said was missing)
Rear end codes
SF 3.23:1 (only with auto and A/C)
TM 3.42:1 (std)
TO 3.91 (opt)

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions please ask. I'm not
possitive but you might not be looking at a real W-30

Jim Chermack

>I'm looking at a W-30 to buy and all the ª's check out other than the
>transmission and rear end. The transmission tag says "OG" anstead of "OW".
>What is the difference?. Can an "OG" be upgraded? I was told that the only
>difference between the two is that the "OG" does not have the quick shift kit
>in it. Is that true? The rear end has the wrong stamp.(SE)  The car does not
>have posi or a sway bar . Are the correct differentials available? Please
>HELP!
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:26:19 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: Parts needed

Hi All,
    I have a tic-toc-tac out of a 1970 Cutlass and the problem with the
tac is that at one time it apparently had been removed, and the person
who removed it looks like they forced it out without unscrewing the 3
screws to get it out of the dash. The tac and clock ect are in excellent
shape but the outer casing looks pretty bad around the edges where it
holds the glass in. I am interested in finding out if anyone knows or
would have an outer casing I could buy. I could put the tac back in the
dash the way it is and you would probably never see it but it would be a
lot nicer if I could find a whole new casing. Do you think the places
that rebuild tic-toc-tac's would have them? Any help would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks
Tom Williams
1970 W31

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:29:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Aluminum Olds Heads: Any Report from SEMA yet?

In a message dated 97-11-14 01:03:10 EST, you write:

<< The Pontiac heads are priced at around $1800 assembled, so if the Olds
 units are similarly priced, it might be worth a $500 premium over a good
 set of iron heads to go with aluminum.
 __________________________________________________________
 Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu >>

Easier said than spent......;-) ....TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 00:28:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>
Subject: G-body mods

When I'm reading all my car magazines I come across numerous ads for G-body
mods.  Most are for Monte Carlo's.  What I was wondering is that sense the
basic design is the same would some of these mods work on my '84 Cutlass?
Things like suspension mods and cat-back exhaust systems.  I know nothing to
do with the engine or computer will work, but will some of these mods work
for me?

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 01:36:42 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Locker Rear Ends

Hi, I was wondering if anyone on the list has any experience with locker
style rear-ends.  I just got a new PowerTrax unit today, ordered after
getting a 'no' from the Summit tech guy as to wether or not there would be
problems using it in the snow, and come to find out, the instructions give
numerous warnings about corniner in slippery/unstabe conditions with the
unit.  It is different than a posi as it physically locks the axles together,
except on the turns.  I'm not sure if I should install it as I don't need to
car any harder to drive in the winter than it already is.. so, should I go
with the locker, or send it back and get a posi instead?  thanks for your
help.. sorry this is so long, I tend to babble at times..
thanks.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:13:12 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: yea you think youre into olds

>  I can't say as my Olds is a babe magnet right now,
> either though.  The body is dirty, the wheels aren't even close to shiny,
> the tires aren't Armor-All'd.  I gotta get that thing cleaned up next
> weekend on vacation!

Hey, if it's a girl worth picking up, she'll be attracted to almost
any Oldsmobile!  The beauty shows through the dirt.  Trust me.  ;)

8)
peg (attracted to almost any Oldsmobile)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:42:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Locker Rear Ends

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:DrkSole@aol.com
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Locker Rear Ends

Hi, I was wondering if anyone on the list has any experience with locker
style rear-ends.  I just got a new PowerTrax unit today, ordered after
getting a 'no' from the Summit tech guy as to wether or not there would be
problems using it in the snow, and come to find out, the instructions give
numerous warnings about corniner in slippery/unstabe conditions with the
unit.  It is different than a posi as it physically locks the axles together,
except on the turns.  I'm not sure if I should install it as I don't need to
car any harder to drive in the winter than it already is.. so, should I go
with the locker, or send it back and get a posi instead?  thanks for your
help.. sorry this is so long, I tend to babble at times..
thanks.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 05:59:59 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

In a message dated 97-11-14 02:49:42 EST, you write:

<< For what it's worth, the Q4 guy that posted this is no longer on the
list......
  >>
gee, I wonder why??

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 06:03:29 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET

In a message dated 97-11-14 05:46:17 EST, you write:

<< I would say Mr. Penn State, if that is indeed his school, is a little
 sadder today after the Michigan game yesterday.  Final score was a whole
 lot for Michigan and not much for PSU at PSU in Happy Valley.  Just a
 game.
  >>
I think i fell for a hoax, to be totally honest.............F-him!!
Bernie............Im glad they lost!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:04:53 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

 what are you talking about? are you the folks from fla that belong tp the
dixie chapter..
thanks jeff

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:07:47 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

 'i'd pay $35 pr which would include shipping, do they have the brackets for
the
mounting? isthe glass ok     jeff....

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:19:23 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Head I.D.

      Does anyone know what D3A heads are?

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:26:01 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: goodmorning  everett

 everett, would you be interested in any 71-2 sport morrors with good glass
but no brackets or excusions...
 have a set  would $ be fair...
 let me know.. P/N on brace is  gr 7.836   pn 404798
 gm label still on it what would you pay?  will get back to you
 hopefully by sun or mon working from 8-6 sat

10-6 sun off mon  thanks...jeff


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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:57:29 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?

I have seen this stuff on TV also.  I was considering ordering a case or
two for my Olds.  If any of you saw it in Lansing, you know I could use
it.  If it works as good as they say, I will save BIG BUCKS on body
work.  In fact it will probably put most paint shops out of business.
After all, it was advertised on TV, so it has to be true?

Lets find something on TV that grows new metal to repair rust and maybe
a wrinkle remover for metal also.  Of course I will be using Engine
Overhaul in a can before starting on the body.  I always like to get the
mechanical stuff out of the way first.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:01:54 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles

Although not factory installed, another source for Olds engines is
Diesel cars and trucks that have been converted to gas.  Swapping in a
gas 350 or 455 was very poular here in the midwest a few years ago.
Most of these vehicles are more than likely setting around waiting to be
scrapped by now.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:12:59 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: G-body mods

Rich Meyers wrote:
>
> When I'm reading all my car magazines I come across numerous ads for G-body
> mods.  Most are for Monte Carlo's.  What I was wondering is that sense the
> basic design is the same would some of these mods work on my '84 Cutlass?
> Things like suspension mods and cat-back exhaust systems.  I know nothing to
> do with the engine or computer will work, but will some of these mods work
> for me?

Any exhaust system or suspension piece should work in a Buick GN/Regal, a
Chevy Monte, an Olds Cutlass and a Pontiac Grand Prix.  The only thing to
consider when looking at:

Exhaust -- Style.  Remember the Monte Carlo exhaust shoots straight out the
back, whereas all the others turn out behind the rear wheels.  All these
cars had only a single cat, so cat-back systems should interchange between
them.

Suspension -- Ride.  Consider your current suspension.  If you have the F41
package already, the ride shouldn't be much firmer.  But, if you get parts
for other performance cars and slap them onto a non-F41 car, you'll notice
a lot more firmness and the like.

Just thinking out loud now:  what else will work?  Gauges?  T-Tops?  Any
other interiour pieces?  Just wondering...hope this helps.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:23:05 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Police Chases

Anybody see the most recent episode of World's Scariest Police Chases on
last night on Fox?  There were a few Oldses as a matter of fact.  In the
first story, a mid eighties (1984 or later) baby-sh*t brown Cutlass was
being chased by the local mounty.  I thought "hey, it's my car!"  The kid
driving this stolen Olds was totally abusing this thing!  He drove right
over curbs and took a couple of minor jumps.  It had to have had a V8 in it
because this guy was moving pretty good.  When he eventually lost control
and got caught, the narrator told us that this is what can happen when a
young kid gets behind the wheel of a fast car.  Heh, heh, heh.  Anyway,
there was also a late seventies Cutlass Salon, the fast-back style.  It
must've had the 231 V6 cuz the smokey was all over the back end of this
guy.  The cop eventually got the rear end of the Olds sideways and it spun
out and flipped into a ditch.

I can't imagine doing this kind of damage to an Olds, but I guess these
guys don't know what they're driving when they start running from the cop.
Anybody else see it last night?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:48:21 -0500 (EST)
From: J2ROCKET@aol.com
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

   Hey Randy, there really is another 57 owner on this list of so many other
fine Oldsmobiles. Mine is a Super 88 with the J2 engine also. She is
currently getting prepped for new paint (has lacquer cracks in original paint
now). My son is also working on a 55 Super 88 that has the original 324 eng.
with Offenhauser 3 x 2 barrel intake manifold & rochester 2 jet carbs. Let us
hear more about your 57. Also, let's hear from some other 57 or 58 owners,
OK.           J2ROCKET  , Smoke City , California  (L.A.)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:51:52 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Police Chases

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Anybody see the most recent episode of World's Scariest Police Chases on
> last night on Fox?
> Anybody else see it last night?

Sure did Jason.  That one Cutlass you referred to sure took a lot of
abuse before dying.  Amazing how stupid some people are.  It also was
enlightening as to some of the crimes charged/sentences received area
for the amount of damage and potential damage possible.  The one I
thought was truly amazing was the guy crashing the Corvette at the speed
he was supposed to be travelling that resulted in him being thrown out
still in the seat on a part of the floor pan.  He wasn't hurt because it
was a glancing rear end shot, but it was still unbelievable.  Had he hit
solid the largest piece (body part) that would have been left would have
been on of the bumpers.  Have you ever seen a Vette that hit something
solidily?  Not a very pretty sight and takes a while to clean up, too.
Scary that people like that are out there on the roads with the rest of
us.  How about the two 18 wheelers at the end of the show?  One guy
thought the devil was chasing him (bad drugs) and the other was when the
pickup got T-boned by the semi.  The pickup disappeared as if it wan't
ever there, kinda like an elephant swatting a fly.

Didn't see the whole show, but I saw enough.  Later......

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:51:14 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: ANSWER...

i remember a peggy o conner  don't seem to have on mailing list currently....
 you were members of dixie at one tiem i think ?
 thanks   jeff..

/

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:10:05 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: Police Chases

Yeah,  I still can't believe the guy in that Vette!  He literally flew out
of it at 160 mph and was able to walk away.  You could see him skidding on
his *ss.  I wonder if the cops measured those marks to determine his speed
at the time of the crash :)
Travis Adams
65 442 post

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:37:01 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

- -----Original Message-----
From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
>Take a closer look at that Jeg's catalog.  Those Poncho head prices are
>each, not for a pair!  Personally if the heads prove to be a good design I
>think the price is fair.  After all, if any of you are not used to paying
>more than the Ch*vy guy by now then perhaps you should switch.  Like it or
>not our prices won't come down.  That is the trade off for being unique in
>the automotive world.
>Travis Adams
>65 442 post
>
Yup didn't notice that it was ea. and not pr. also says "installation
requires Edelbrock head bolt kit" another $74.99 and guide plates are
another $42.99. So it would be almost $2000 for Edelbrock head and intake
setup might as well spend a little more and get the Batten setup. If I
remember right Batten even throws in some aluminum valve covers.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:38:51 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: new toy

- -----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
>At some
>point in the late 80s/early 90s they changed from Delta 88 to 88 Royale
>and just a few years ago the Royale was dropped and they are now know
>simply as Eighty Eights, with the exception of the LSS.  Understand?
>
Isn't there also a LS?

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:00:09 -0800
From: jbishop@gorge.net (Jeremy Bishop)
Subject: [none]

Hi,

I was down at a local sheet metal shop the other day looking for someone to
do some welding on my Saab Sonett (another story all together) and while
talking to the owner, who is a real Olds fan, he said that among the cars
he owned was a 1950 Oldsmobile 99 two door.
He said that when he ground into the paint that it looked like the
car had been painted three times. First he ground through two differnt
layers of green paint and under that was Gold paint that had been painted
over the stock yellow as he put it "a  long time ago".
He said he heard that Gold was the color movie stars's cars were painted
and that it was a fact that Marilyn Monroe had a '50 99 two door no one
knew where it was now and this car might be the one.

Does anyone out there in Oldsmobile land know anything about her car? He
mentioned that his freind told him that once he had seen something on TV
about a collecter who was looking for the car and that it was rumored to be
in the Northwest.Which is where I and possibly the car is.
If you have any leads about the car's VIN or engine ª's, or know who that
collecter is, e-mail me and I'll pass it along to the owner.

J.Bishop

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:08:09 -0500 (EST)
From: Thomas Lardner <lardner@UMDNJ.EDU>
Subject: re:  key in/headlight on chime

> The dinger in my 87 CS....  It works you can hear it ding when you
turn
> the car off and the head;ights are still on, but it's VERY faint.

The chime module is dying. On mine, if I thumped on the dash between the
steering column and the rear defog switch, it would sometimes get
louder, but basically it's toast. You need to get up behind the dash,
find the offending plastic box and replace it. Somebody here a long time
ago said it was something like $30-$35, but installation was kind of a
pain. It wasn't simply a plug-in buzzer like the older models; it had
various pigtail leads that plugged into different things to monitor.


I've had this problem in my 85 Cutlass Salon since it was new! It doesn't
work when it's supposed to, but sometimes when I flip the lights or radio
on, the chime will come on, or the light!  Really weird.  Simply changing
this box will fix it?  I've never dug deep enough in to look for it (no
need to thus far).  Does anyone have a 'script' for doing it, from
experience?  Chilton's doesn't mention it.
Thanks
Tom

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:11:14 -0600
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Date:Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:11:14 -0600

unsubscribe

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 09:17:13 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

> Sorry to deliver the bad news, but happy to help you live safer. The
upper
> arm bears far less weight and stress than the lowers, but if they go
the
> result is essentially the same: you'll stop, perhaps suddenly, perhaps
> unpleasantly.

I've had the rare experience of watching this happen from outside the
car.

I was walking along Kingsbury St. just north of Ontario in Chicago,
where the road is not known for its paving quality. At that point it
curves across a set of railroad tracks... badly. So as I'm passing by,
an old Chevy Monza crosses the tracks at a pretty good clip, and *POW*

There was a sound like a gunshot and the car skidded off the curve onto
the sidewalk. Fortunately I was on the _other_ sidewalk and no one was
hurt. Turned out it broke either its lower ball joint or arm on the
right side (a little hard to see; I assume ball joint), and the coil
spring fired the arm straight down into the pavement, thus dragging the
car off the right side of the curve. Not a pretty sight.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:33:49 -0700 (MST)
From: d houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpnfssvr.mdhc.mdc.com>
Subject: Re: 120 mph speedo

deirdre. reilly wrote:
>
>
> Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
> >
> >    I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
> > if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.
>
>
> Bill Gochenour wrote:
>
> >If your looking for the 120mph speedo, the GM part number is ª25083824.
> >Not to sure how much luck you'll have finding one though, a while back I
> >found
>
> Just FYI I tried checking this part number about two months ago and the
> counterguy's computer wouldn't even take it.  He said that was odd and that
> it is most likely discontinued when that happens.
>
> Supposedly Lauren Engineering makes this aftermarket.  I haven't tried them
> yet but here's the ª if yu want to try (714) 871-CARS
>
> BTW if you do find any leads on the 120mph speedo, let me know.
>


Doesn't somebody make a 120mph decal that goes on over your current gauge?
Just re-calibrate it and you're all set.  I saw this somewhere.  I think it
was Lauren Eng. that had it.

- --Dan

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:41:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997 RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-11-14 02:49:42 EST, you write:
>
> << For what it's worth, the Q4 guy that posted this is no longer on the
> list......
>   >>
> gee, I wonder why??
>
but we replace him with me and i aint going anywhere.  this q4 guy can be
found on the q4 list of growing numbers.  All us q4 guys stick together.
Pocket rockets rule!  definitely a car worthy of the 442 logo!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:41:08 -0400
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

>Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
>>  >- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
>
>I tend to agree, but I also think that the faster you can "shove air
>down it's throat" the better it cools...  Have you ever overheated doing
>65MPH, even if the car constantly runs warm at a stand still?
>

YES. In a big block motor I have, heat is a constant battle. If you're
running a little too lean (maybe a lot too lean) overheating can result.

Roger Hitson

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:56:14 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: More Parts

I have some parts such as engines which I haven't an idea on how to ship
but I am going to list them anyway.

1968 442 Engine - Big valve C heads
 - 398662 Intake
 - 7028251 Carb
 - G block with F2 stamping
  $375.00

1967 425 Engine - B heads
 - 2 bbl intake
 - With exhaust manifolds
  $300.00

C cast heads - $225.00 good condition
1968 Cutlass Convertible Lid (exc.)$250.00
1968 Cutlass Grill $100.00

These are just recent aquireies if interested E me or Call me

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

905-357-4454

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:05:17 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Holley TBI

So, anybody using Holley Fuel injection yet? Which currently available
intake manifold would be best with it and clear an HEI?

Thoughts?
cf
- ----------
From digest mode . . .

At the Centennial, there was a redish orange Cutlass with an analog
closed loop system. It also had been converted to the diesel hydroboost
brake system. The guy was pretty pleased with it - had over 20,000 miles
over a couple of years on it. I think he was running a Performer
manifold, but I can't remember if he was running HEI or points. I think
it was a 455.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com (soon)  OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 08:00:35 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 307 on nitrous...

Well, the nitrous will only get you up to around 700hp.  You have to add
Slick-50 and use Splitfire plugs to get the extra 89hp.  :-)

Oh yeah, it also helps if you're operating the car somewhere like, oh... say
Jupiter.  Under many atmospheres of pressure allowing you to fit 1500ci in
your 307ci motor.

Dave Ward wrote:

> Can it get the G-body up to 160mph?  I've heard that those 307's can run
> around 789hp with a little nitro and a bottle of Wynn's "Tune Up In A
> Can"...
>
> S.D.W.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:08:11 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: new toy

In a message dated 97-11-14 03:25:58 EST, you write:

>
>  I'm pretty sure the 98s are still Delta's    (I think on mine there are
> Delta 98 emblems

  98's  and 88's  are seperate levels of Oldsmobiles 98 is the TOP of the
line 88's were a little less expensive and had different body lines and trim
levels.
  just like Chevrolet had Caprice - Impala - Biscayne


Everett  OCAª  1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:15:11 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

hitson@leadbelt.com wrote:

> >>  >- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
> >
> >I tend to agree, but I also think that the faster you can "shove air
> >down it's throat" the better it cools...  Have you ever overheated doing
> >65MPH, even if the car constantly runs warm at a stand still?
> >
>
> YES. In a big block motor I have, heat is a constant battle. If you're
> running a little too lean (maybe a lot too lean) overheating can result.

My point was that you are less likely to overheat when air is being
forced into the radiator at 65 MPH, as opposed to sitting still, and
letting the fan do the work...  I have never experienced an overheat
problem while constantly moving on the interstate...  I have a friend
that had a Grand Am that would overheat if sitting in traffic for more
than 2 or 3 minutes, complete with steam, but when the car was moving,
the faster we got, the cooler the car got...
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:25:08 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: Spark Plugs

Advance Auto Parts still carries the A-C Delco R45S, R44S and the
CR45S, CR44S.  Why you may ask?  Because A-C still makes them.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:29:46 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?

david wyatt wrote:
>
> I have seen this stuff on TV also.  I was considering ordering a case or
> two for my Olds.  If any of you saw it in Lansing, you know I could use
> it.  If it works as good as they say, I will save BIG BUCKS on body
> work.  In fact it will probably put most paint shops out of business.
> After all, it was advertised on TV, so it has to be true?

Hahahaha..

> Lets find something on TV that grows new metal to repair rust and maybe
> a wrinkle remover for metal also.  Of course I will be using Engine
> Overhaul in a can before starting on the body.  I always like to get the
> mechanical stuff out of the way first.

Wouldn't that be like finding "snow in a can" for us Southern peoples
that don't have rust problems as bad...  In which case, I think we opt
for "NEW interior in a can"

hahahaha..
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:29:50 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

> I've had the rare experience of watching this happen from outside the
> car.

I thought I'd add my 2 Federation credits, as this happened to me once as well:

I once owned a Fiat 124 Spyder, and one day I was driving down the highway
(Rt 9 in Westboro, MA, for those who know the area and/or care), doing
about 60 mph in the fast lane, when all of a sudden -- with no warning,
of course -- I heard a clunk, and the car went careening into the guardrail,
despite my best efforts to straighten it out.  The lower ball joint on the
left side had let loose.

Luckily, there was only minor body damage, and no other suspension failures.
I was also pleased I didn't roll over in a small car w/the top down...

Needless to say, I have been somewhat anal about front suspension tightness
ever since, and replace ball joints, tie rod ends, etc. at the slightess sign
of wear.



Tim (Our First Snow ofthe Season is Falling! :P) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:45:33 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Miscs from the Brown stable

I was off the list for about a week due to our insane e-mail system. On
digest mode for now.

Picked up one of those Olds aluminum EFI manifolds the other day.
Injectors look original. I grabbed the wiring harness as well. Also a 7
blade Toro aluminum fan. Several more are available, w/clutch. Anyone
interested?

There's one less white '79 W-30 H/O in the world. Bone yard specimen
missing emblems, intake, OAI setup, console shifter and wheels. Anyone
interested in anything else?

I'm about ready to release the 4.0 FAQ again. I've corrected all the bad
links and added a some bottom of the page navigation.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com (soon)  OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:38:06 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: yea you think youre into olds

Peg O'Connor wrote:
>
> >  I can't say as my Olds is a babe magnet right now,
> > either though.  The body is dirty, the wheels aren't even close to shiny,
> > the tires aren't Armor-All'd.  I gotta get that thing cleaned up next
> > weekend on vacation!
>
> Hey, if it's a girl worth picking up, she'll be attracted to almost
> any Oldsmobile!  The beauty shows through the dirt.  Trust me.  ;)

Either way, wasn't it in the 2nd Batman Movie:

"The Car, CHICKS dig the car"

It seems to work, especially with a NICE looking Olds....
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:48:33 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

> Pocket rockets rule!  definitely a car worthy of the 442 logo!!

two very different cars from two very different eras.  one is the q4,
the other is the 442 - case closed.

jg '72 442/455

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:00:39 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

Some of this info is very misleading.
Comments below.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com <Cnvrtbl442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: Cooling topics


>In a message dated 97-11-11 09:29:28 EST, you write:
>
><< My brother went to his local Buick GS chapter meeting
> last weekend and forwarded the following on to me.  I'm not
> sure I agree with all the points, but it makes for interesting
> reading none the less.
>
> >Our tech session was on cooling, and we had a engineer from
> >Modine show up. Pretty interesting.
>
> >Some highlights:
> >- All things being equal, copper/brass radiators cool better
> >  than aluminum.

True; but they don't last nearly as long as aluminum. In addition,
each year they become less and less efficient due to loss of copper
through corrrosion.

> >- A three row high efficiency core cools better than a 4-row.
> >  (They only make 4-rows because there is a demand for them :)

A one or two row, high efficiency aluminum radiator can be better than
either. Remember, the more rows of tubes, the higher the air pressure
drop from front to back; therefore less efficient use of the airflow.
Multi row rads usually use 1/2" or 5/8" tubes (small contact area.
less heat transfer). Modern aluminum rads use 1" or 1 1/4" tubes;
large conract area, therefore better heat transfer and lower pressure
drop.

> >- Prestone has the best corrosion inhibitors, Zerex is next.
Strictly personal opinion.

> >- Water cools better than antifreeze.

True! BUT DO NOT USE WATER IN YOUR CAR!! Most water found in this
country contains some amount of chloride which is very corrosive. Zinc
Chloride is actually the main corrosive ingrediant used in many fluxes
used for soldering and brazing. All radiators made must be proven to
have less than 25 to 50 ppm when shipped. This takes a pretty
comprehensive, multi stage wash system to achieve (on cu/br rads).
Some areas of the country have many times this amount in the water
supply. It is also very dangerous with aluminum engine parts and it
will rot our your radiator very quickly.

> >- All electric fans are junk. The Hayden 16" straight blade is
> >  the closest to useful though.
NOT TRUE. Fan design today is a high technology field. The same
techniques for the silent submarine screw technology (some of it still
classified) are being applied to cooling fans. The Japanese are
definitely far behind in this field. Some of the top Engine Cooling
companies, (mine included), have employed engineers who previously
worked on submarine scew technolgy. Even the fan shroud stators are
part of the modelling equations.
Engine Cooling modules (rad, condenser, fans, shrouds, motors etc)
must be tested as a unit for noise, vibration, RPM etc. before
shipment. The specs. are extremely tight.

> >- An electric fan running when the car is moving faster than
> >  55mph impeded the airflow.

Not as much as an A/C condenser and/or auxiliary transmission oil
cooler.

> >- Removing the thermostat *will* make your car run cooler. >>

Yea, but how long will it take your engine to warm up??? More wear.
>
>Does everyone agree with all of this? I just wanted to know if
>anyone found any discrepencies with any of this......TIM

I don't design the cooling systems, I build them (Plant Mgr.), but
have worked pretty closely with the design guys over the
years......Mick

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: transmission problem

In a message dated 97-11-14 02:22:39 EST, you write:

<< Jason complaining about his three speed:

 Well, the story is long, but I'll make it short.  Your car has the
 THM-200-C  It, too, has the TCC
 (Torque Converter Clutch, a fancy name for the LTC).  And...it has the same
 symptoms yours does.  You can disconnect the TCC or put in a switch.  I'm
 still researching how to put in a switch, that's what I'd like to do,
 actually, but I don't know about all the little technicalities, like what
 happens if I'm in first gear going like 5 mph.  If I flip the switch, the
 TCC won't engage, right?  The transmission will still work like normal, if
 I leave the switch flipped, right?

 Anyway, I'll see about this switch and report if I ever get it to work.
__________________
 Jason K. Adcock >>

Jason, if your car is a mid Eighties G Body and has a console with
ashtray, Caspers Electronics makes a switch control plate with switches
that fits in the ashtray location with I believe the option of 1,2, or 3
switches to control things.  There are several ways to do the TCC
control.  I have the switch setup to lock the converter when I use the
switch because the locked TCC is a speed trick in the Turbo Regals.
 I have all 3 switches in mine, the other too for a line lock on the brakes
and for an electric fan therm override.  The options I see would be to
either disconnect the TCC control from the car and run it manually thru
the switch as the only means to lock it, or to use it as a manual override
option. I suppose someone could set it up to also prevent the TCC
from locking up at all by using the switch as an interupt.....Go to the
Turbo Regal Home Page and there are probably articles on how to
do this.. I know that Caspers number is there under vendors and in
fact there are other vendors that sell a similar setup.  I like the ashtray
switches, very stealth,  and not a problem since there's no smoking
in the car...TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:13:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair

In a message dated 97-11-14 02:46:23 EST, you write:

<< ). Apparently the foam expanded as it cured and distorted the hood. It
 <snip>
 > If
 > anyone has any ideas, let me know and I'll pass them on.
  >>

o/` " Call 'Roto Rooter' thats the name, and away go troubles down the drain"

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:47:38 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: GS-27 Miracle Product?

> Wouldn't that be like finding "snow in a can" for us Southern peoples
> that don't have rust problems as bad...  In which case, I think we opt
> for "NEW interior in a can"

> --
>                             Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__,         1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

Jerry,

What part of the south are you in?  I'm in a marginal southern state,
KY, aka known as a border state.

Don Sowers

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:00:16 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

Tim,

The lower ball joint on the left side had let loose.

(Snip, snip)

> Tim (Our First Snow ofthe Season is Falling! :P) Churchill


Tim,

The same thing happened to my daughter's 92 T-bird in McDonald's parking
lot recently.  Never had that happen to me, but I did have the pin come
out of the end of the tie rod on a 77 Corvette one time while I was
driving it in Lexington, Ky on the most used road in the area.  I had
stopped at a traffic light, pulled away when it turned green and
wondered why it felt a little "off".  Went about a mile until I could
get to an easy place to pull off and crawl underneath.  Quite a little
surprise.  Potentially a big problem in a fiberglass body.

Second question, where do you live that the white stuff is already
falling?  We got a little flurry activity in central Ky yesterday, but
mostly rain.  You must be located a good deal north of here.  Seems a
little early for winter to be here.

Don Sowers

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