
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, November 7 1997       Volume 01 : Number 942



Re: the Quad 442
Re: Mobil One.doc in RI
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Which Tranny Swaps?
Re: Lansing Pictures
Old Olds
RE: 70-72 Cutlass convertibles for sale?
RE: the Quad 442
Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation
Final Note Quad 4
Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
G bodies
Re: Rear Defrost
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Rear Defrost
Re: the Quad 442
Recovering Property (non Olds and long - was: Re: Stolen 84 H/O  -Long)
Re: the Quad 442
Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation
Re: Final Note Quad 4
Re: Dashboard
Re: G bodies
Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: Interior restoration question
F*rd Truck
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: Updates to OCA Web Page
Re: the Quad 442
Re: theft prevention
Re: Which Tranny Swaps?
w-30 owners (red inner fenders)
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
Re: w-30 owners (red inner fenders)
RE: the Quad 442
77 4drs  c/s
Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation
lansing pics.right address??
Retro fitting OEM A/C
Sport Mirriors
Re: 68 front bumper
Re: Buzzed
Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: Dashboard
RE: theft prevention
Tires !
5.0's smoke me in Blissfield (was Re: the Quad 442)
Re: Tires !
Re: w-30 owners (red inner fenders)
Re: G bodies
Re: lansing pics.right address??
dummy stu people...
H*lp with Crankshaft ID
Re: 77 4drs  c/s
Re: 5.0's smoke me in Blissfield (was Re: the Quad 442)
Re: the Quad 442

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:59:01 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

In a message dated 97-11-06 05:14:03 EST, you write:

<< OK rocket powr you seem to have some doubt here, i hope you catch a Q4 at
a redlight one day...then you 'll be educated on the subject matter. no
worries here i travel from 180miles to school mostly every weekend, and hoses
are dated dec.1987 NO FEAR!
  >>
I like yr years of cars, but when im in my 69 mach 1 390 4spd, or my 67 442
conv,
67 f-85, i dont think ill fear a stock quad 4, plus i do "push" my cars when
i drive, so i feel i can drive em!!  get back to studying.......
c-ya.......Bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:01:30 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mobil One.doc in RI

In a message dated 97-11-06 18:07:40 EST, you write:

<< nless all the gaskets on that '86 are brand new, I'd be hesistant;
 synthetic oil will cause any existing oil leaks to get worse, and reveal
 new places that your engine could leak. I found this out myself, when I put
 Mobil 1 in my freshly-rebuilt 403 after a year of driving it. It found new
 leaks around the new valve-cover gaskets that were not tightened down
 enough. I'm still undecided about it's value, though I'll give it the
 winter to show me that it's easier to start the car in the cold, as it
 reportedly is.
 ___ >>
yes all the gaskets r new..........did you help me with a disc ques way back
in early aug??
E-mail directly or just use the list
Bernie..rcktpwr@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:11:39 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

In a message dated 97-11-06 11:48:03 EST, you write:

<<  These lights are expensive, >>
how $$$$$$$ ??????
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:11:36 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

In a message dated 97-11-06 11:48:03 EST, you write:

<<  These lights are expensive, >>
how $$$$$$$ ??????
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:14:11 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Which Tranny Swaps?

In a message dated 97-11-06 20:23:20 EST, you write:

<< Terrill Yuhas wrote:
 
 > UD/OD that gave your 3spd auto the equivalent of 6spd.  If anyone's
 > interested, I'll look for the info I got from them.  It's about a year old
 > but still neat reading.
 
 Yes.  I am interested.
  >>
me too..bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 03:43:17 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

thank you..
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:17:55 +1300
From: D T Smith <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Old Olds

Bumped into an old friend yesterday, hadn't seen him for a while, so he
invited us into his living room, and to my amazement, in the middle of
the room was a 1934 Oldsmobile!! - and yes he has a wife!! :-)
He had recently acquired this car from a guy who had spent the last 15
years restoring it.
He hasn't finished the front yet, ( cos he doesn't know what it looks
like!, he has the grille, guards and chromed headlights ),  Is there
anyone out there with a scanner and pictures of original or modified
1934 Oldsmobiles.  He needs this info to finish the "project".
Please e-mail me if you can help.

Thanx

- -- 
Dave.T.Smith
403
N.Z.

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:13:24 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 70-72 Cutlass convertibles for sale?

On Thursday, November 06, 1997 4:55 PM, casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com
[SMTP:casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com] wrote:
>  I am interested in ..................
> Any info on ad locations would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Casey Dempsey
> 

Casey,  a good source to help find the car you want is a Web site called
Classified 2000. They have a lot of Olds for sale on their site. The
nice thing they do also, is notify you when someone post an ad that
meets your requirements. It is called Cool Notify. Their URL is :
http://www.classified2000.com/. Here is an example of the type of
information they provide.


               Car

                             1970, Oldsmobile Cutlass, 77K miles,
$5,000/OBO

               Options
                             yellow exterior, tan interior
                             Air Conditioning
                             Cassette Player
                             Convertible
                             Classic Car
                             Two Door
                             Automatic Transmission 

               Description
                             1970 Cutlass convertible in its original
condition. The
                             car was painted green, but original color
is
                             yellow.Trunk cowling area is the worst part
of the car
                             and must be replaced.A/c only needs hoses
to
                             work.engine and trans are in good shape 


               Seller Info


                             For sale by private party

                             (706) 791-8347 [Day]
                             (706) 860-8417 [Eve]
                             bluntd@bcblg.gordon.army.mil
                             evans, Georgia 30809

               Post Date
                             03-NOV-97

This car is located in my area and I would be glade to check it out for
you. There are a lot more on there site from all over the country.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past 

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 08:20:22 -0500 (EST)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: the Quad 442

IRONMAN,

As a fellow W41 owner, I know of what you speak.  However, this list simply
will not give the W41 Calais or Acheiva it's due.  I've gone up against stock
5.0s  myself.  They are easy pickin's.  I owned an '89 5.0 and the W41 was
obviously faster.  when I joined the list, a call was put out for everyone's
story about how they got their Oldsmobile.  I submitted mine explaining that
STOCK 5.0s were no problem for my car and was met with the same scepticism
from this list.

As for the those who doubt the W41, Jeff Antonucci's comments are the best
I've seen so far.  Comparing the W41 powered cars to any other Quad4 powered
car is comparing apples and oranges.  Especially comparing any Quad4 with an
auto trans.  The highest output Quad4 auto combo was 150 or 160hp.  Most of
those also had something like a 2.73 or 3.23 gear. 

All I ask is if you doubt it, the March 1991 issue of Motor Trend said that
the W41 Calais they tested turned a 14.7/95+mph quarter mile.  And before I
hear anyone claim that the manufacturers send ringers to the car mags, I want
you to remember that when you look at the numbers for the 5.0 M*stang and
C*maro in the same magazine.  The W41 is faster.

Just my $.02

Cecil
1991 W41
OCA #29604

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:52:16 -0600
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

>>Some 78-80 Cutlasses with Buick's turbo V6 
>[
>
>
>
>I have never seen a reference to a Turbo Cutlass factory, did they really do
>that??
>
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:25:15 -0500
From: Jay Britt <jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation

COUPE KING wrote:
> 
> Am restoring a '67 CS convert and would like to install a R/Pac gauge setup.
> The cluster I have is cutoff~ 6" from the plug that goes into the gauge.
> 
> 1. Is there a harness that plugs into my dash harness thatwill then plug into
> the gauge
> 
> 2. Do I have to change the dash harness? Modify?
> 
> 3. I note that engine harnesses for the '67 are listed as 'with' or 'w/o
> gauges':  Is a new engine harness needed?

	No, you won't need a new dash or engine harness to add a Rally Pack.
You can buy a adapter cable to connect your gauges, I just wish I could
remember where I saw it. Check with the usual sources like Year One and
Fusick.

I have been considering the same thing for my '67 C/S, the best resource
you can have is a Chassis Service Manual for your year car. It's
absolutely necessary for any kind of wiring harness questions.

Good luck, and let us know how it works!
Jay Britt
OCA#29460

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:45:44 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Final Note Quad 4

I only have a few words to all you non-believers out their



IGNORANCE IS BLISS

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 97 09:09:58 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

>Thomas Martin asked:

>I have never seen a reference to a Turbo Cutlass factory, did they really do 
>that??

     No, they didn't.  The only G-body cars to come with the Turbo Buick 
     3.8 liter V-6 from the factory were the Regal T-Type, the GN, the GNX, 
     and the Monte Carlo.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 07:05:53 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: G bodies

     When replacing the AIR manifolds on my 86 Cutlass Surpreme (307)
I found the parts store did NOT list the RH side !!!! SO I took a
chance and asked for one for a similar year Delta 88. It is indentical
to the original Cutlass one! Part #s from Neihoff are 1261 (RH) and
1262 (LH)
     Also has anyone ever put a 70-72 Custom-Sport wheel in a later
G-body? Does it look out of place? In my 86, the creaky OEM steering
wheel is the chinziest part of the car! It's got to go! (Gee, my
earlier cars don't have this problem!)

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



- ---IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu> wrote:
>
> I only have a few words to all you non-believers out their
> 
> 
> 
> IGNORANCE IS BLISS
> 
> <center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 
> 
> <bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  -- 
Judge
> of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey
> 
> </color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 
> 
> Penn State University
> 
> </center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu
> 

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:07:33 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Defrost

I am interested in adding the optional rear defroster (blower type) to 
my 1970 Cutlass S. I have seen several pictures of the dash on cars 
equipped with this and they have all been air conditioning cars. Was 
this option available on non A/C cars!? 

(Of _course_ we'd be hearing from Andy on this one!  :-)

I don't think there was any connection between the A/C and rear-defog
options; they have nothing particular in common and in fact the
rear-defog was available as a dealer-installed retro-fit kit (Trust me!
I have six of the damn things!  :-)

I don't have A/C and want to know if I should give up before I get my 
hopes up. HELP!!

Heck, no, just keep looking until you find one. It'll involve plugging
one power lead into an accessory port of the fusebox, installing the
dash switch, running its wiring harness to the back of the car, and
cutting the rear shelf covering (you should find the steel frame
underneath is already pre-punched for you; look for a couple of openings
just inboard of the driver's-side rear speaker).

Before you ask, the kits I have are for mid-'70's full-size cars and I
don't think would be the right parts for yours; sorry.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 09:24:03 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

> So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
> the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...

Late-model BMWs and Lincolns are using high-intensity output headlamps;
the blue light comes from the extremely high temperatures. I'll be
visiting F*rd on Monday and will ask around for more info on those
things. I have an idea that upgrading to that system requires more than
just a bulb swap, though.

BTW, has anyone seen those "Xenon" sealed-beam replacements? Are those
things simply halogens under another name, or are they actually
significantly different? Just wondering...
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:24:15 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Rear Defrost

 I've seen these defrosters in both AC & non-AC cars many times.  All you
need is the blower for your era car along w/the wiring & correct switch.
There is no AC or non-AC switch.  The parts are the same with no regard to
AC.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>On Thursday, November 06, 1997 11:16 AM, Brent Pinkstaff
>[SMTP:fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com] wrote:
>> I am interested in adding the optional rear defroster (blower type) to
>
>> my 1970 Cutlass S. I have seen several pictures of the dash on cars
>> equipped with this and they have all been air conditioning cars. Was
>> this option available on non A/C cars!?
>
>
>It is listed on the options list like this:
>
>C50  Window Defogger, Rear- Coupes      $26.23
>
>No reference is made that A/C is required. So you should be able to
>install it.
>
>
>Bobby
>
>

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:28:58 -0500
From: _DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> IRONMAN,
> 
> As a fellow W41 owner, I know of what you speak.  However, this list simply
> will not give the W41 Calais or Acheiva it's due.  I've gone up against stock
> 5.0s  myself.  They are easy pickin's.  I owned an '89 5.0 and the W41 was
> obviously faster.  when I joined the list, a call was put out for everyone's
> story about how they got their Oldsmobile.  I submitted mine explaining that
> STOCK 5.0s were no problem for my car and was met with the same scepticism
> from this list.

Not to add fire to this already growing thread, but stock 5.0's really
aren't fast at all. Hell my 95 Impala SS that weighs in at close to 4500
with a full tank of gas and me 
out runs them at the track by .2 to .3 tenths. Now the even slightly
modified 5.0's are a different story, those cars get quick fast. Cecil
is right in that the W41 is not respected. I know that not respect
feeling myself. Guys that run their basically stock late 60's/early 70's
muscle cars at the track think I am an easy pickin. Sure I lose more
than I win against there cars but I have given a few big block guys a
surprise :-) One W41 that runs at my track turns consistent 14.7 1/4
times with the only mods being a K&N filter and Dynomax muffler. Gotta
love those little Quad4's. 

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS	80 Olds 442 W-30 (for sale)
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4	75 Hurst/Olds W-25 (for sale)

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:30:43 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Recovering Property (non Olds and long - was: Re: Stolen 84 H/O  -Long)

On Wed, 05 Nov 1997 Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote:

a long and wonderful account of how he had recovered his stolen Cutlass,
years after it had disappered.

Besides being a great story with an almost happy ending (would have been
nicer if the car had been recovered after having been professionally
restored, rather than suffering further damage), it reminded me of a
similar incident I took part in concerning a Williams Defender video arcade
game.

Back in the early 80s, I was in the coin-operated amusements business.  One
of my wife's brothers wanted to try the same thing to suppliment his income
and when he found a willing location for placement of a machine, I helped
him buy a new Williams Defender for about $2,500.  Less than a month after
the machine was placed on location, someone threw a cement block through a
plate glass window there, and the machine was gone.  The theft was promptly
reported to the local Sheriff's Department, but there was no recovery.  My
brother in law eventually accepted his $2000+ loss and gave up on trying
his hand further in the business.

Nearly four years later, I received a call from someone who wanted to have
a Defender game in their home repaired.  Although I recognized the symptoms
as something which could easy be explained how to repair over the phone, I
wanted to see the machine for myself once I learned that it was located
less than a mile from where my brother-in-law's machine had been stolen.
Arrangements were made to visit the house the next day, if I could be there
some time before the caller had to leave for work.  I intentionally didn't
arrive until there was only about half an hour before the caller would have
to leave.  That gave me enough time to memorize the machine's serial
number, confirm the problem and lie about the fact that I'd have to come
back to complete the repair.

A quick call to my brother-in-law confirmed that this was his stolen
machine and we met at the Sheriff's Department to talk with the detective
who still held the investigation.  It didn't take long to convince him that
I had stumbled upon the machine, and after a quick walk across the parking
lot to see a judge, he had a search warrant in hand.  I was asked to draw a
diagram of the house, including which room the machine was located in.  We
were also asked to meet the detective a block from the house in about an
hour.  We drove to in front of the house, followed by two detectives in an
unmarked car.  I was asked to point out the house, to confirm that the
address and description were listed on the warrant correctly.  Once I had
confirmed, six more marked and unmarked Sheriff's cars appeared and the
house was surrounded.  I half expected old Butch and Sundance to pop out
shooting, but the warrant was served quitely on the poor babysitter when
she answered the door.  Once the machine had been located where I'd
indicated it would be, my brother-in-law and I were whisked in to point out
the serial number and identify the machine.  It was released to us, on the
promise that it would be available as evidence for a trial, if it came to
that.  As we loaded the machine into my pickup, half a dozen deputies were
busy recording the serial numbers from everything else in the house,
undoubtedly for later cross-matching against the other stolen property
reports.

The case never did come to trial.  The guy who had called me told them that
someone had loaned the machine to him.  Of course he couldn't remember who
it had been that he'd borrowed it from.  Only after the fact did the
detective tell us that shortly after the theft, they had received a tip
that this guy and his brother had stolen the machine.  Reportedly they had
carried it two blocks down the sidewalk, to the brother's house.  Following
the tip, detectives had even searched the brother's house, but hadn't found
any trace of the machine.  Only months later, they had heard that the
machine was concealed during their search, in a hole dug into the crawl
space and accessed through a trap door in the floor.  Apparently some time
later, it was moved to the location where I found it.  We never heard if
any of the other items "inventoried" that night turned out to be stolen
too.  It took me about 10 minutes to repair the machine and my
brother-in-law eventually sold it.  Since he did finally recover a small
portion of his loss, like Don's story about his Cutlass, there was a glad
if not happy ending to the story.  It was exciting for us, for a couple of
hours there.  I can only imagine what it was like for Don and Cecil,
without benefit of a "police backup" as they performed their "recovery".

Anyway and like Don has already said, sometimes these things are resolved
even years after the fact.  I hope that Gilbert's story has a happy ending
too, and that he successfully recovers the Hurst/Olds which has been stolen
from him.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 07:30:59 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> As a fellow W41 owner, I know of what you speak.  However, this list simply
> will not give the W41 Calais or Acheiva it's due.  I've gone up against stock
> 5.0s  myself.  They are easy pickin's.  I owned an '89 5.0 and the W41 was

Heck I used to own a 77 C/S 4 door rust bucket which ate stock 5.0's. 
She only
had 170/180 HP.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:30:31 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation

 My '73 had the correct wiring for gauges.  I just had to rearrange the
order at the plug-in to match the gauge plug-in.  Check the wiring colors to
see if you have these same colors in your harness up to your present gauges.
Re order them to match the color order in that cut-off plug-in, change the
oil & temp sending units, & that should do it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Am restoring a '67 CS convert and would like to install a R/Pac gauge
setup.
>The cluster I have is cutoff~ 6" from the plug that goes into the gauge.
>
>1. Is there a harness that plugs into my dash harness thatwill then plug
into
>the gauge
>
>2. Do I have to change the dash harness? Modify?
>
>3. I note that engine harnesses for the '67 are listed as 'with' or 'w/o
>gauges':  Is a new engine harness needed?
>
>I'd appreciate a few tips from anybody who's done this before.
>
>CoupeKing
>
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 21:36:13 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Final Note Quad 4

 non-believers out their
>
>
>IGNORANCE IS BLISS

Well.....Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From a believer out THERE!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:35:06 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dashboard

uh, pat witch did you need the dash pad, or dash board itself?  or was it
both?  please reply steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:40:16 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: G bodies

John Pajak wrote:
> 
> has anyone ever put a 70-72 Custom-Sport wheel in a later
> G-body? Does it look out of place? In my 86, the creaky OEM steering
> wheel is the chinziest part of the car! It's got to go! (Gee, my
> earlier cars don't have this problem!)

Creaky?  What exactly does 'creaky' mean?  I think I might know what you
are talking about...I think I can remember my wheel "ticking" during cold
weather.

Any 80's Sport steering wheel will hook up to the G-Body steering column,
right?  Does yours have the sport wheel?  You can see it on my car in the
picture of my interior:

"http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/cutlass/interior.jpg"

I've seen these wheels on G-Bodies, but also on Ciera's and the like. 
IMHO, they are pretty nice wheels.  They have a rocket symbol on the center
hub.  I don't know if you already have one of these modern sport wheels, or
not, I'm just makin a suggestion!

If you check it out, please be patient...Erol's is kinda slow today and the
image is 216k.  I hope this helps.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 10:45:43 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

Thomas Martin wrote:
> 
> >I have never seen a reference to a Turbo Cutlass factory, did they really do
> >that??

Oops, I guess what they say is true, assuming makes an *ss out of u and
me...

Somewhere on the Internet, I saw a 1978 Cutlass with a Turbocharged 231 V6
with the 4 bbl. carburetor.  Transplant, I guess.  Sorry.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:44:08 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

 I like Tamaraz for price & service.  I have not tried the others although
they have the same parts.  Installation is time consuming as you will want
near perfection.  No real skills are needed though that cannot be learned by
asking & watching at an upholstery shop for a couple of minutes.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>To all the experts out there,
>I am restoring the interior on a rallye 350. I need to get seat covers,
door
>panels, and carpet. Out of all of these places who has the best products?
>Also, Is it fairly easy to redo seat covers and carpet?
>
>Brothers
>YearOne
>The Parts Place
>Tamaraz
>Fusick
>and The Paddock
>
>
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>70 W31
>70 W45
>96 Aurora
>
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:47:54 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: F*rd Truck

You wrote:

> . . . Anyone with much night driving experience, especially on
> two lane roads, can tell at any distance which oncoming vehicles are
> f*rd trucks.  Simply because you can't see anything.  At all. . . .

***********************
Charley,

I'm sure you'll be glad to know that I ordered a new F*150 earlier this
week.  Big Super Cab deal, with the off road package which includes 17 inch
wheels and huge tires.  I was thinking about getting some higher powered
headlight bulbs for it.  Are you saying that I won't need them?

I'm sure you'll be even happier to know that I and the truck are in
Michigan and not Montana.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:59:00 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

> 
> are there any pictures posted from the "JJ" lot from lansing?  I would 
> like to see if anyone has the same car that I do.
> 
> --jj  (it's the 1946-58 lot)
> 


JJ,

I have tried to keep track of everyone that posted pictures, and put links
to their pages on my page.  My page is at:

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/lansing

I have parade pictures of a woody wagon from that period, and also some
1951's.

The links on that page go to pages that are maintained by the following
people:

- - Jason Adcock 
- - Mick Gillespie 
- - Bill Gochenour 
- - Dan Gulino 
- - Greg Kalkhoff 
- - Clayton Pierce 

If anyone has a page with photos from the Lansing celebration, please drop
me a note with the URL and I'll add it to the list.

- -- 
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 08:04:37 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

My '78 has a 4bbl, but it's also got a Ch*vy 305.  BTW, it just got a name:
"Rusty."  'Cause that's what it is, and that's what color the paint is too.

mjones@gleep.com wrote:

> When was the first year for a 4bbl carb on a '78-up Cutlass?  I'm just



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:09:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Updates to OCA Web Page

The URL for the page cannot be in ALL capital letters.  The last two
segments "brad442" and "oca" *MUST* be lowercase.

Try

HTTP://WWW.EROLS.COM/brad442/oca

or

http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

And enjoy!
- -- 
Drew


> All:
> NEW STUFF AT HTTP://WWW.EROLS.COM/BRAD442/OCA !!!
> 
> o Updated calendar of events
> o New links page
> o Member site of the month
> o From "Journey with Olds"
> o Internet Newsgroup Info (As if you didn't know abou it already)

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 11:53:22 -0500
From: "Mike Coccagna" <mcoccagn@envirosense.com>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

Hi all,

I've been hiding on the digest, but noticed the current debate of Ironman's
Q4 vs. all 4-4-2 (and 442) cars (as well as Mustangs, SHOs, ...)..

Magazines in '91 tested a few stock W-41 Quad442s (the ones with the 190bhp
from the factory and higher gearing) against different 442s.  The best time
I seem to remember for the Q442 in the quarter was 14.9 sec (can't remember
the respective speed) and a 0-60 of about 7.5 sec.  The only other 442 I
remember from one of these tests (since, oddly enough, I saw a SCX vs. 442
comparo article last night) was a '71 W-31 442, which ran a 15.24 in the
quarter, leaving a '93 SCX in its back mirror (it ran a 16.0).

The Quad442 had a distinct advantage over the previous 442s -- weight.  A
2600 lb car with 190bhp can get up and go pretty quickly, in fact, almost
the same amount of time it was taking the 5.0 Mustang and F-bodys from the
factory floor in the early 90's.  I also remember the SHO being a <8 second
0-60 sleeper (when they were running ;-)

Does anyone have copies of different 0-60 and quarter mile times recorded
for the 442s over the years in magazines?  It may be a interesting
comparison to see how different (or similar) the 442 has been on the track
over the years in stock form...


Mike
'91 Quad442 (modified, 195+ bhp)
'93 W-41 SCX

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 09:00:00 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: theft prevention

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Best method: hidden switch grounds the [fused!]
> item to kill. If they try to hotwire it, the fuse blows. Leaves a clue. I like

But if the fuse to ground blows then it's no longer grounded, and thieir hotwire
will succeed, unless the main fuse to the item in question blows first.  Or am I
misunderstanding you?

I like the hidden fuel shut-off idea!  I'll have to remember that one.  It'd start
and run just until the fuel in the float bowl was gone.  Maybe just enough for them
to move your car a few car lengths, which qualifies it as stolen, not just broken
into, which in my case is a lower insurance deductable.

I prefer methods that still allow the car to crank over, but not start.  Since if
it won't crank, the theif knows exactly what's wrong--there's a kill switch to the
starter.  Shut off the fuel, kill the power to the coil, or something else sneaky
might discourage them enough to give up and pick another car.  'Course you'll
probably have a dead battery and maybe a toasted starter by the time he gives up,
but you'll still have a car!

I recommend that concerned people get a car alarm.  You can get very decent ones
for under $100 from Summit, or JC Whitney, or even your local stereo store.  You'll
need some basic electrical common sense, and either have a wiring diagram or be
familiar with wiring colors on a GM car.  Can be hooked up in an afternoon.  If you
have power door locks or a power trunk release, you'll want to hook them up.
You'll like not having to use the keys, and if you have a passive-arm system you
don't even have to remember to lock the doors when you leave.

If you get a shock sensor, do your neighbors a favor and _don't_ set it so
sensitive that it goes off when a truck drives by, a cat jumps on the hood, etc.  I
think they should be set so you have to whack the car almost hard enough to do
damage before they go off.  The microwave radar sensors are my favorite.  These
would be really handy in a convertible!

If you don't want an alarm system, just get a blinking LED and a pretty chrome LED
holder from Radio Shack.  Put inline with an appropriately sized resistor, run
anode to a +12v ignition switched lead and cathode to a +12v constant lead.  LED
comes on when engine shuts off.  Or... wire LED in with your kill switch (use a
double-throw switch).  Takes negligible current, won't drain the battery.  Had one
of these on a car I owned while living in a very bad neighborhood.  Nobody ever
bothered it, but almost everyone else on the street got broken into once over the
years.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:45:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Terrill Yuhas <tyuhas@mail.arl.arizona.edu>
Subject: Re: Which Tranny Swaps?

Ok, as is usual, I can't seem to find the stuff I had on it.  You can
contact them directly:

The web: www.gearvendors.com
The phone: (800) 999-9555
E-mail: info@gearvendors.com
Postal system: Gear Vendors, 1717 N. Magnolia Ave.,El Cajon, CA 92020

Terrill

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:45:16 -0500 (EST)
From: TURBO38@aol.com
Subject: w-30 owners (red inner fenders)

is there a accepted way of restoring the red inner fenders on our cars. i
don't want to pay the year one cost of replacement. mine are a little pink in
some areas please help.

thanks
 
will 
70 cutlass supreme convt.
70 w-30 4 speed.
90 GXSR 750
89 turbo trans am

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 12:54:09 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

At 07:30 AM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote:

>NotDads442@aol.com wrote:

>> 

>> As a fellow W41 owner, I know of what you speak.  However, this list simply

>> will not give the W41 Calais or Acheiva it's due.  I've gone up against stock

>> 5.0s  myself.  They are easy pickin's.  I owned an '89 5.0 and the W41 was

>

>Heck I used to own a 77 C/S 4 door rust bucket which ate stock 5.0's. 

>She only

>had 170/180 HP.


Well considering the 5.0's in 75-78 were high 16 sec runners i hope you could.  

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:03:15 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

'71 W-31 442?  you probably mean W-30.  15.24 q-mile run - that's pretty
slow for THAT car.  if it was a '71 W-30, at least low 14's (stock)
sounds more realistic.

Mike Coccagna wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been hiding on the digest, but noticed the current debate of Ironman's
> Q4 vs. all 4-4-2 (and 442) cars (as well as Mustangs, SHOs, ...)..
> 
> Magazines in '91 tested a few stock W-41 Quad442s (the ones with the 190bhp
> from the factory and higher gearing) against different 442s.  The best time
> I seem to remember for the Q442 in the quarter was 14.9 sec (can't remember
> the respective speed) and a 0-60 of about 7.5 sec.  The only other 442 I
> remember from one of these tests (since, oddly enough, I saw a SCX vs. 442
> comparo article last night) was a '71 W-31 442, which ran a 15.24 in the
> quarter, leaving a '93 SCX in its back mirror (it ran a 16.0).
> 
> The Quad442 had a distinct advantage over the previous 442s -- weight.  A
> 2600 lb car with 190bhp can get up and go pretty quickly, in fact, almost
> the same amount of time it was taking the 5.0 Mustang and F-bodys from the
> factory floor in the early 90's.  I also remember the SHO being a <8 second
> 0-60 sleeper (when they were running ;-)
> 
> Does anyone have copies of different 0-60 and quarter mile times recorded
> for the 442s over the years in magazines?  It may be a interesting
> comparison to see how different (or similar) the 442 has been on the track
> over the years in stock form...
> 
> Mike
> '91 Quad442 (modified, 195+ bhp)
> '93 W-41 SCX

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:14:25 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

> Does anyone have copies of different 0-60 and quarter mile times recorded
> for the 442s over the years in magazines?  It may be a interesting
> comparison to see how different (or similar) the 442 has been on the track
> over the years in stock form...

here are a few:

1970 olds 442/W-30: 0-60 5.7, 1/4 13.63  i have the article at home.  it
may have been car craft from late '69.

1970 olds sx: 0-60 6.6, 1/4 14.8  motor trend

1971 olds 442/w-30 0-60 6.1, 1/4 14.4 

1972 olds 442 w-30 0-60 6.6, 1/4 14.5

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 10:24:26 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: w-30 owners (red inner fenders)

- ---TURBO38@aol.com wrote:
is there a accepted way of restoring the red inner fenders on our
cars. i don't want to pay the year one cost of replacement. mine are a
little pink in some areas please help.

!!!!!!!!!!!!
These can be re-dyed. I friend dyed his 70 W30 red inner fenders and
they looked great. He used the vinyl dye that you mix and spray out of
a paint gun. I redyed some Cutlass black ones with spray can black
vinyl dye and am very happy with the results. I don't know if you can
get red in the spray cans though. I would use the gun method, esp. on
a W30 :) Whatever you do don't use ordinary paint.....it won't stay on
very long.

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:24:08 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: the Quad 442

On Friday, November 07, 1997 11:53 AM, Mike Coccagna
[SMTP:mcoccagn@envirosense.com] wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been hiding on the digest, but noticed the current debate of
Ironman's
> Q4 vs. all 4-4-2 (and 442) cars (as well as Mustangs, SHOs, ...)..
> 
> Magazines in '91 tested a few stock W-41 Quad442s (the ones with the
190bhp
> from the factory and higher gearing) against different 442s.  The best
time
> I seem to remember for the Q442 in the quarter was 14.9 sec (can't
remember
> the respective speed) and a 0-60 of about 7.5 sec.  The only other 442
I
> remember from one of these tests (since, oddly enough, I saw a SCX vs.
442
> comparo article last night) was a '71 W-31 442, which ran a 15.24 in
the
> quarter, leaving a '93 SCX in its back mirror (it ran a 16.0).
> 
> The Quad442 had a distinct advantage over the previous 442s -- weight.
A
> 2600 lb car with 190bhp can get up and go pretty quickly, in fact,
almost
> the same amount of time it was taking the 5.0 Mustang and F-bodys from
the
> factory floor in the early 90's.  I also remember the SHO being a <8
second
> 0-60 sleeper (when they were running ;-)
> 
> Does anyone have copies of different 0-60 and quarter mile times
recorded
> for the 442s over the years in magazines?  It may be a interesting
> comparison to see how different (or similar) the 442 has been on the
track
> over the years in stock form...
> 
							0-60	1/4
MPH
Car Life			1964 442		7.4   	15.6
89
Car Life			1965 442		7.8  	15.5
89
MT Road Test	1966 442		7.2		15.6	96.56
Car Life			1968 442		7.0
15.13	92.2
Car Life			1969 W31		6.6
14.9	96
MT			1969 H/O		5.9		13.98
101.28
Road Test		1969 H/O				14.08
99.88
Road Test		1970W30				14.2	102.14
MT			1970SX			6.6		14.8
95
Hot Rod RT		1970W30				13.98	100.78
Car Life			1970 Ra 350	7.0		15.27
94.33
RT			1971 442		8.9		15.2
99


Taken from Oldsmobile Muscle Cars 1964 - 1971  by RM Clarke	

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:03:24 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: 77 4drs  c/s

In a message dated 97-11-07 10:42:24 EST, you write:

<< Heck I used to own a 77 C/S 4 door rust bucket which ate stock 5.0's. 
 She only
 had 170/180 HP.
 
 Chris Sparks
  >>
and had it parked next to yr 489hp 307
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:25:08 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Rallye-Pac installation

In a message dated 97-11-07 10:46:12 EST, you write:

<< >The cluster I have is cutoff~ 6" from the plug that goes into the gauge.
>>
what do you mean by that?? are u short just going to the eng, or under the
dash??
 The harness is dif from std setup and the rallye pac. I got one for my 67
also.
If you need help with the colors, etc, let me know, my entire setup is out of
the car.
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:36:05 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: lansing pics.right address??

 I tried www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html...........no good, is
this address correct???
The other add. was ok,
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/lansing   nice pics, by the way!!!
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:34:00 -0500
From: <casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com>
Subject: Retro fitting OEM A/C

Can anyone give me information regarding retro fitting a '70 Cutlass with
A/C?  The car never had A/C.  Can a factory unit be fitted without too much
work? (relative to what...*I know*).  If so, any ideas on $$$ for system,
and install?  And are there systems or kits for the new R134 refrigerant?
Resources?

Thanks in advance for help,
Casey

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 13:47:16 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: Sport Mirriors

Hi All,
   Thanks for all the information on the 8 track tape player price.
The one I am looking at is in very good condition and is all there, the
asking price is $125.00. I would also like to know what a pair of 1970
sport mirriors are worth with new mirriors in them and overall very good
condition.

Thanks,
Tom Williams
70-W31

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:46:22 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 front bumper

bill, hi its been awhile since we talked but i was wondering if you were
still interested in my 68 cutlass front bumper.      steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 14:48:10 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Re: Buzzed

Tim Rudolph wrote:
> 
> At 06:36 PM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
> >I just put the door jamb switch back in my 69 442 conv.  Every time I
> >open the door the buzzer goes off.  It seems to me that this buzzer
> >should go off only when the lights are on, and the ignition is off.
> >Thanks.
> 
> It goes on when the key is in the ignition in the off position and the door
> is open.  It's not related to the lights.  Its just a reminder for you not
> to leave the keys in the car.
> 
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible
It's actually going off every time the door is opened, with or without
the keys in the ignition.  There were three wires that were disconected,
and I took it for granted that they hooked up to the jamb switch.  I
know which wire controls the buzzer, any chance this wire goes somewhere
else?  The car came missing a few odds and ends.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:50:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

In a message dated 97-11-07 09:58:40 EST, you write:

<< 
      No, they didn't.  The only G-body cars to come with the Turbo Buick 
      3.8 liter V-6 from the factory were the Regal T-Type, the GN, the GNX, 
      and the Monte Carlo.
      
      Joe Padavano
      padavano.joe@orbital.com >>

Actually thats an 89 Turbo Trans Am that had the 3.8, not the Monte Carlo.
They tried a turbo on a small V8 in the Monte in the early 80's (81?) and
it was a dog,,, leave it to CH*V.......TIM

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 14:53:27 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dashboard

uh, pat witch did you need the dash pad, or dash board itself?  or was it
both?  please reply steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 13:56:32 -0600
From: Jason Beres <jberes@datamine.net>
Subject: RE: theft prevention

"Give me Oldsmobile or give me death?"

In New Orleans, a new law allows persons who are being carjacked (i.e having car stolen from out under one at gunpoint) to shoot to kill.  This occured recently, making national news.  Perhaps this form of prevention is a bit extreme, but it is generally 100% effective :)

Jason Beres
83 98 coupe
jberes@datamine.net

  

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:03:13 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Tires !

- --Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net> wrote:
Let me know, I may be able to get you a discount.  My tire distributor
had something like 50 of them in stock back in March.  I think I paid
something like $30-35 a piece.
 
>>Although I'm not in a rush, I would like to get 4 of the 225-14s.
The only problem is the distance logistics.........you're in PA right?
Even Templeton Olds is 80 miles north of Southern MD! 

John Pajak


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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 15:14:44 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 5.0's smoke me in Blissfield (was Re: the Quad 442)

All this talk about people beating 5.slow RustClangs is making me sick.
I feel really embarrased. I get smoked by 'em all the time. 'Course, it
might not help that all the 5.0's in Blissfield are all WAY suped up!.
Kid has one that runs a 13.1 and others in town run anywhere from 14.2
to 11's. The Whistler (aka Red 'Stang, tinted windows, Paxton
Supercharger) is the one that runs 11's. I can't keep up with any
M*stangs around here. I even got smoked by a Monte CarSlow Super Spit.
Boy are they gonna need new underpants when the Cutlass comes back on
the scene with her "new dress" and "new heart".

Oh well, at least I can beat a 87 M*rcury C*ugar XR7.

BTW- i just put up a Build Sheet page. Some of the numbers need filling
in. I would greatly appreciate it if some could help me fill those in.

Thanx!
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:24:51 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Tires !

Isn't it true that the size closest to 8.50-14 equal to a 235-14 and not a
225-14.  I know that this is what is on my car now, and the speedometer
cable which runs throught the tire, reads fast, because the wheel is smaller
than what it was originally calibrated for.  Do you know of 235-14's anywhere?

G


At 12:03 PM 11/7/97 -0800, you wrote:
>--Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net> wrote:
>Let me know, I may be able to get you a discount.  My tire distributor
>had something like 50 of them in stock back in March.  I think I paid
>something like $30-35 a piece.
> 
>>>Although I'm not in a rush, I would like to get 4 of the 225-14s.
>The only problem is the distance logistics.........you're in PA right?
>Even Templeton Olds is 80 miles north of Southern MD! 
>
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>
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:33:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: w-30 owners (red inner fenders)

In a message dated 97-11-07 13:31:23 EST, you write:

<< !!!!!!!!!!!!
 These can be re-dyed. I friend dyed his 70 W30 red inner fenders and
 they looked great. He used the vinyl dye that you mix and spray out of
 a paint gun. I redyed some Cutlass black ones with spray can black
 vinyl dye and am very happy with the results. I don't know if you can
 get red in the spray cans though. I would use the gun method, esp. on
 a W30 :) Whatever you do don't use ordinary paint.....it won't stay on
 very long.
  >>

What happens if someone tries to dye the black inners withthe
red dye?     ...TIM

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 12:46:02 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: G bodies

- -In my 86, the creaky OEM steering wheel is the chinziest part of the
car! It's got to go! (Gee, my earlier cars don't have this problem!)
 
Creaky?  What exactly does 'creaky' mean?  I think I might know what
you are talking about...I think I can remember my wheel "ticking"
during cold weather.

>>>It's the std wheel. It has cracks around the rim on both sides
right near the 'spokes'. You can hold the wheel and flex it and it
creaks like an old door.............it was already cracked at 40K
miles when I bought the car.   

Any 80's Sport steering wheel will hook up to the G-Body steering
column, right?  

>>>Yeah, but I have ~a few~ 70-72 Sport wheels in stock!

>>>Talk to y'all on Wednesday of next week.....ought to be about 700
messages in the Inbox by then :)

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


  
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:31:34 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: lansing pics.right address??

RCKTPWR wrote:
> 
>  I tried www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html...........no good, is
> this address correct???

Yeah, it's correct.  The Erol's server was slow today, so they could be
having problems.  My homepage (link below) is on the Erol's server also, so
if it doesn't work either, then it must be down.  Keep trying!  Thanks.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 16:39:23 -0500 (EST)
From: RbtNeumann@aol.com
Subject: dummy stu people...

hi Andy, Ma here, Dad just left to do business locally. He'll call Lonni and
see if theres any byke coverage away from home. I'm wondering if maybe
someone came to party off street and checked things out? Guess you guys well
have to have that be one of the chores each night, lock up. Oh man is the guy
who stole the bykes in for it now. You all should lift him up in prayer and
give him to his Creator. Pity the foo...Next weekend the Petno's are driving
us to Columbus. Vince has only two tickets to the game. If you want to go and
sit with Aaron you need to let him know.It would be great to have you come
up. It is a Sat. game, 1:30. The women are going shopping . And after game we
are all going out to dinner. Mike and Heidi too. Pheobe has to stay home.
Aaron is coming home tonight(FRI ) to work on the Corvair. He also gets to
pet sit because Mom and Dad are flying to Memphis to see Whitey and Nicole
and go to their wedding reception. We leave Sat am and return Sun  pm . Pray
we have a safe fun trip. Tanks!  Was thinking and sometimes thats not good,
but too bad they didn't take the Escort instead.......? Sorry about the
byke,it's too bad we can't trust people. We'll let you know about insurance.
We love you and I'm glad the bad news hasn't something worse. Hang ten, Mom
and Dad 

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 16:47:35 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: H*lp with Crankshaft ID

Are all 1970 350's Crankshafts Nodular Iron? I read on Bryceman's that
these would be good for mild performance applications. If this is true,
then I'm going to swap one for my weak '73 crank.
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 13:58:47 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 77 4drs  c/s

RCKTPWR wrote:
> 
> and had it parked next to yr 489hp 307

:-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 17:58:01 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: 5.0's smoke me in Blissfield (was Re: the Quad 442)

Matt,

Don't feel too bad.....I've owned a whole bunch of the 5.0's...*Hey, Olds 
deserted us in perfomance cars in the 80's* and I've had LX's run as quick 
as 14.12/96 without taking the valve covers off, and 12.10/113 modified.  
Truly, I'm an Olds guy at heart....but nothing built since '72 (stock) runs 
that.  Although, currently, I'm putting together a BB combo in a '76 
body...love the sleeper look!  Good luck on your new buildup.....give 'em heck!

And, in the real world, for the most part, the Q4 guys are pulling your 
leg....try one for yourself and see!
 

>All this talk about people beating 5.slow RustClangs is making me sick.
>I feel really embarrased. I get smoked by 'em all the time. 'Course, it
>might not help that all the 5.0's in Blissfield are all WAY suped up!.
>Kid has one that runs a 13.1 and others in town run anywhere from 14.2
>to 11's. The Whistler (aka Red 'Stang, tinted windows, Paxton
>Supercharger) is the one that runs 11's. I can't keep up with any
>M*stangs around here. I even got smoked by a Monte CarSlow Super Spit.
>Boy are they gonna need new underpants when the Cutlass comes back on
>the scene with her "new dress" and "new heart".
>
>Oh well, at least I can beat a 87 M*rcury C*ugar XR7.
>
>BTW- i just put up a Build Sheet page. Some of the numbers need filling
>in. I would greatly appreciate it if some could help me fill those in.
>
>Thanx!
>-- 
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Mike Evans
Richland, MI
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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 18:14:31 -0500 (EST)
From: DGMCEWEN@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

In a message dated 97-11-07 13:21:14 EST, you write:

<< 71 W-31 442?  you probably mean W-30. >>

No this was a 350, W31. It also had really short gears, like 4.33, with a top
speed slower than a strong school bus. You all, however, are missing the
point. The W41 Q4 cars are not great cars because of their decent 1/4 mile
times. They are really good at everything. 14-15 sec. 1/4, 0-60 in 7 sec.,
.85g handling (SCX), 135 mph top speed, 30 mpg,  cheap to insure, and
funner(?) than crap to wind out all day long.  The above mentioned W31 ( a
REALLY neat car), had brakes that were so scary, none of the editors were
brave enough to test them. ( Their words ).  Just get around the head gaskets
letting loose with regularity, and it would truly great.    Doug

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