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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, December 3 1997     Volume 01 : Number 986



Re: GM Blood
Re: bashing? Nah.
Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: "GM BLOOD"
Re: bashing? Nah.
'73-'77 Steering Boxes
Re: 9 sec '64 442
Re: 69 W-30 Radiator Core support
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: engine similarities
Re[2]: Variable vane TH400 I.D.
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Re: Rearenz
Re[3]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info
Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
unsubscribe list
Re: cross-ref
car parts and information
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question
Re: Advice needed for rear axle replacement
MEMBERSHIP
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: off-idle stumble
Dear Santa
Re: off-idle stumble
UNBOUNCE: Dear Santa
F.S. 1962 Olds Cutlass Convertible (fwd)
Re: I'm back
Re: POR 15 (long!)
Heater/AC control switch
Re: 69 W-30 Radiator Core support
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
6 speed in a 70w-30?
Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Type: text/plain
RE: POR 15
85 442
December Restoration Decal Sale
Re: Rearenz
December Decal Sale
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???
Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people...shift linkage???
Re: Rearenz
RE: POR 15
Trans mystery......solved......help??
RE: Rearenz
Re: Rearenz
1986 Salon info.....

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 18:16:16 +1300
From: "Dave.T.Smith" <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: GM Blood

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> In fact one of the most annoying bits of info is that damn "CFD" cast into 
all
> our Olds heads, blocks, etc. "Chevrolet Foundry Division". Just because this
is > so does not mean you should rub it in. :-)

This cant be on all olds blocks, my 403 has OFD cast into it.

I find it hard to put down any GM divisions, my first love was Holden
(GM Australia), then Chev, and now Oldsmobile.

Oldsmobile is now my favorite because of the all the obvious points
(better metal, engineering etc..) but the best reason is the question
that is always asked "What's under the hood?", because of the rarity and
uniqueness of olds in New Zealand I can take great pride in answering
that question.

Well that's my 5 cents worth.
- --
Dave.T.Smith
403 Old's
39' Chev
N.Z.

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:22:20 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: bashing? Nah.

> But one thing leads to another, first there's one chevy powered Cutlass, then
a > race car with the new Z-ingbob or whatever, next thing you know all the 
Olds >
nuts leave and the Olds list is nothing but the same chevy talk that you can >
find ad nauseum in any catalog of parts. Yawn. There are email lists devoted 
to >
all sorts of cars. I used to be active in one called Autos-L until it fell >
apart at the seams, messages would not go thru anymore.

> Again, if we do not defend this territory as being for & about -OLDS- then,
> surely thru attrition it will become less and less Olds-related. Which is why
> most of us came here.

        I can appreciate your concern Chris.  And I'm not at all trying to
undermine the Oldsmobile content on this list.  I've even been trying to keep
talk about my rat motor to a dull roar (did ya notice?).  I actually really do
appreciate the help of the guys here on the list who are very versed in
Oldsmobile culture - they sure have answered a lot of my "unanswerable"
questions up til now. Some day I'm sure I'll have an all-Olds car, but right 
now
I'm just experimenting and getting as much power as cheaply as possible - best
way to do so is to use parts ya got, so I did.  =B)  But I certainly must hand
it to the Oldsmobile Division - I really have noticed several subtle 
differences
between Olds & Chev (since I also got the Chevy version of my '76 Cutlass in my
'76 Monte Carlo) which makes the Oldsmobile noticeably more "classy".  One
example is the kick-down cable for the transmission going to the throttle
linkage instead of the carb - if that was like that on my Monte Carlo I'd have 
a
kick-down cable right now - when I swapped the 2-bbl on my 305 for a 4-bbl I
didn't bother making an adapter for the kick-down, just the throttle cable.
        Nonetheless I do agree that Oldsmobile certainly has it's place in
automotive greatness - but I just didn't see the point in "putting down", if 
you
will, another division of the same company.  But I now see the true opinions of
people on this list, and many seem to be quite favourable towards the other
divisions, and I agree that it isn't very nice for the Chevy people to be
getting down on Oldsmobile, either.  I guess that's all I got to say for now. -
-- Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme
Brougham http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/ mailto:lee@mergetel.com Welland,
Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:34:50 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> > well..lets see...its 15 years old....and has been setting out in the
> > south carolina sun for probably as long.....its not TITANIUM....its
> > paint....I'd much rather fix some paint than replace a rusted out
> > quarter panel or fender....and like I said...the BODY IS SPOTLESS....no
> > bubbles no troubles!!!...but...thats just me....to each his own...
>
> True, I agree.  Don't get so sarcastic here.  It's good that you stopped
> and checked it out for everyone's benefit on the list.  But if it has
> been repainted, then somebody MAY have repaired the body, but then
> again, I'm just trying to say be careful.

My Cutlass appears to have been hit (or used to hit something) in the
front right side. It has been repainted at some point in time (crappy
job too).  I assumed it was due to GM's not so nice 80's paint that ages
nicely.... I MAY have been wrong..  The Right Front quarter panel,
bumper, and header panel all have writing on the insides, the rest of
the panels don't...  Woulda been easily said that it was GM writings,
but three different colors, same handwriting??  <G>  But mine's
PERFECT!!!

- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:46:15 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Bill Gochenour wrote:

> anybody wanna buy a soap box ?

Will it house 2 10s??? <G>
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:04:05 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"

> Having ordered a new 455 Cutlass in 1973, I can say that no tach was
> available or I would have had one.  The H/O had a digital one for the
> console.  All that was available are the gauges.

        Aw crap...I guess the "Oldsmobile" AutoMeter gauges will have to do
then  =B)

> >        Also, what does was W-25 option?  If I'm not mistaken I know the
> W-30 and
> >W-31 were the engines, is the W-25 just a slightly lower-performance 455?
>
> In the '73-'77 cars, W-25 meant 350 engine & W-30 meant 455 engine.

        Thanx alot for clearing these two things up, Lloyd.  Really appreciate
it.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:18:28 -0500
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: bashing? Nah.

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> True, the 97 and 98 production LS1 block is
> ... yadda yadda, snip about 10-15 lines of CHEVY talk [oooh, spelled, too]
> LT1... LT1... LS1... LS1... LT1... 95 Impala
> =====================
> What a great example. There WAS an Olds mention there, later. Not to be taken
> as a personal attack, Jason, I know you love all your cars. I'd have such an
> array too if I had the money. Ideally, my stable would include an AC Cobra,
> complete with Ford motor.

<snip rest of message>

Chris, no offense taken at all. I love Olds just as much as the next
guy, but I like and appreciate all brands. So Chris did you ever part
out totally or get rid of that yellow 72 Cutlass S that I traded to you
when I got that parts car 75 H/O about a year and a half ago? Just
curious. I knew you was going to get me after that Chevy post:-)
So are you a permanant member of the list again? It is nice to have you
around as you are by far one of the most knowledgeable people on Olds
and inparticular Olds engines, I have met. I learned more about Olds
motors in the first 6 months I joined the list back in mid 1995 from
your "misc." posts than I had learned up to that point. Ah well, time
for Chevy guy to go back under his rock and lurk on here again.

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
95 Impy SS
80 442 W-30
75 H/O W-25

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:24:07 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: '73-'77 Steering Boxes

> > about the steering box....how could I tell if it's a quick-ratio one??  Did
> > they have them back then??
> Sorry, Trevor.  I don't know about back then.  If it has the F41 pacakge,
> I'd assume it was quick-ratio.  I don't know when Olds started putting the
> F41 in the cars.  All I know is all the H/O's and 442's of the 80's have
> it.  Jason Labay, does your '80 442 have the F41?

        Does anybody know if there were any Cutlasses from '73-'77 (or GM
A-bodies - Chevelle, Grand Prix, Grand Am, Monte Carlo, Century, Regal) that 
had
a "quick-ratio" steering box like the one spoken of in the '80s Cutlasses 
having
the F41 package?  I know of where there's a '77 4-4-2, but I wouldn't know how
to check if it's any different that the stock box in my '76 Cutlass Supreme
Brougham.  Any info/help would be much appreciated.  Thanx in advance. - --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme
Brougham http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/ mailto:lee@mergetel.com Welland,
Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 22:36:22 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 9 sec '64 442

That white 9 sec '64 442 was a great *looking* car also.  A true Rocket!
You had to see it run to believe it.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: "GM BLOOD"
> Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:26 PM
>
> At 05:24 PM 12/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
> Danny
>
>         Was the 9 second 64 442 up at Mondello Nationals? That was an
awsome
> car. 462 big block, TH400 and a 9 inch slick. Car ran 9.40 at 140 mph in
the
> quarter. The guy drove it to the track. It was up against a 70 442 that
was
> built to the hilt and yanked the front wheels 18 inches off the ground on
a
> LOW 10 second run. These things are impressive to watch. I do think your
> right about the Chevy guy bring on the bashing due to their attitudes
> towards Olds. And your definetely right about the buick boys. They do
seem
> to hang with us. There the ones who have the reputation of beating up
Hemi's.

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:31:32 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 69 W-30 Radiator Core support

At 09:49 PM 12/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
Clay

        The hoses go through the plastic fender wells. The chassis service
manual covers how they are installed. The brackets got to the radiator core
support and not the actual bumper.

Jim Chermack


>Is there a difference between the 69 W-30 Radiator core support
>and a 442 radiator core support?  Or is the cut out for the OAI
>in the red inner fender wells?  What does the plastic scoops
>under the front bumper attach to?  Does it show this in the Fisher
>Body Manual?  Just thinking of making my convertible a W-30.
>
>Thanks,
>Clay
>69 442 convertible
>

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 23:21:35 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

When they say Pontiac 350, is that the same as the Olds 350?  What about 455
(not that it applies to me.)?  Aren't all 455's generic between Buick, Olds, 
and
Pontiac?

     This is pretty comprehensively covered in the FAQ, but while it may be
     hard to believe in today's era of corporate engines, back in the 60s
     each GM division had their own unique engine designs.  The Buick,
     Chevy, Olds, and Pontiac 350s are all totally different, using
     different bore/stroke dimensions, different block and head castings,
     and different reciprocating parts.  About the only things common among
     these four motors are the distributor cap and the carb bolt pattern
     (assuming a Q-jet - the Holley used on some Chevy motors is obviously
     different).  As an example, the Buick mounts its distributor in the
     front, while the other three mount it in the back.  The Chevy
     distributor passes through the intake manifold, while the Olds mounts
     to the block aft of the intake.  Even the distributor housings are
     different among the four.

     The same applies to the 454/455 motors; each division had their own
     proprietary design.  None of the castings or internal components are
     interchangeable (well, at least, not without a lot of machine work -
     one trick is to put Buick rods in an Olds 455, but this requires a lot
     of custom work).  To make it even more complex, the big and small
     block Chevy motors are totally different, unrelated designs.  Pontiac,
     on the other hand, uses a single engine block to produce 350s and 455s
     (though there is a difference between early and late Poncho motors).
     Olds simply raised the deck height on their small block casting about
     an inch to accommodate the 4.25" stroke of the big block 455.

     The above is a simplification, but the bottom line is that virtually
     nothing is interchangeable among the 350s of the different GM
     divisions.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 23:38:08 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: engine similarities


Two GM bellhouse patterns...

1) Chevy....

2) Everyone else....I believe the indexing pins are common to both patterns, 
not
quite sure on that.

     Yep.  The two dowel pins _and_ the bottom bolt holes are common.  I
     seem to recall that the middle bolt holes are also common, but I'm not
     quite sure about that.  I also notice that on later cars, Chevy didn't
     even bother to drill out the top center hole on its bellhousings.

     I once bought a modified TH400 from Darryl Young's Racing
     Transmissions in SoCal.  He had taken to welding tabs onto the less
     desirable (read:  cheaper in wrecking yards) BOP cases to turn them
     into Chevy units.  Unfortunately, that top center tab interfered with
     the distributor when the modified trans was used on an Olds.  'Course,
     a hacksaw and grinder fixed that.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 22:52:37 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Variable vane TH400 I.D.

David Brown asked:

  Hmmm. I have a TH-400 out of my '70 Delta 88 has the two terminal kickdown
  solenoid. I don't believe it has been rebuilt. The engine is a 2bbl 455
  without the special switch pitch carb linkage. Could the torque convertor be
  of the switch pitch variety?

     Well, as Doc Bob correctly pointed out, the later TCS-equipped cars
     also had the two-terminal connector (one for kickdown and one for the
     TCS signal).  Perhaps I could have stated it more correctly by saying
     that a single terminal is proof that the trans is _not_ a switch pitch
     unit.  Also if one is certain that the trans is a 67 or earlier unit
     (didn't these have the horseshoe-shaped indentation in the tranny pan
     due to the early-design filter?) then the two-terminal connector
     indicates switch-pitch.  Later (is it 70-up?) TH400s with two
     terminals indicate TCS.  Thanks, Bob for the added info.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:51:28 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> >Mark Chapman
> >85 Cutlass Salon w/t-tops
> >
> >p.s. are t-tops rare on an 85 salon?
>
> I think all Salons had T-tops...but don't qoute me...

I thought so too, but nope...  My uncle had the Gold 86 Cutlass Salon in
the 100th Anniversary Parade in Lansing....  And I always thought he had
T-Tops, but nope, none on his car....  There is also a non T-Top Salon
in the Junkyard here...  Pretty well picked over (I go in search for
parts, anything in good shape)
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:55:47 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

Mike Rothe wrote:

> tape, and satin black paint the inner areas.  Replacements from GM have
> a notation in the parts list as "paint to match".

You keep mentioning "Dealer" for parts....  I am used to my 77 Mustang
II where even finding a Mustang II in a Junkyard is HARD.. I was TOTALLY
blown away at being able to find parts for the newer? Cutlasses...  Now,
I am wondering, how many parts are still availible from GM, and how far
back can I go???  Like maybe far enough that I can snag a BRAND new set
of Burlwood interior trim panels?  Or maybe even REPLACE the upper door
panel on my 87 Cutlass with an (gasp) 87 Cutlass Supreme panel!!!! <G>
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:32:24 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

>      Folks, I'm getting ready to start building a rear axle assy for a
> strip/street 70 Cutlass. Here's my dilemma: Chevy 12 Bolt VS Ford 9".
> I do have a 12 Bolt housing and 4 series carrier ~in stock~. Thoughts?

        John, I've hard things about the Chevy axles, but I've never had
this happen to me...but the Chevy, unlike the Olds axle, uses a C-clip to
hold their axles in, and if an axle breaks when you're launching the car,
you can kiss it goodbye - it's free to slide right out the end of the
housing.  I don't know about the 9-inchers, though.  Anybody know how the
Ford 9" axles are held in?  Granted the 12-bolt Chev would be a decent
axle, but I would certainly snag up a 12-bolt Olds if ya saw one.  And if
you're concerned about keeping the car appearing someone stock that would
certainly be the way to go, but since you're considering the Ford 9" I
guess you're not that overly concerned with that.  One advantage for the
Ford 9" that I can think of is that it has what I believe to be the widest
selection of gears from aftermarket sources.  If you're looking to finely
tune your ride, that might be another thing to think about.  That's about
all I got to say.  I'd appreciate a reply from anyone who knows the
situation with the Ford 9" axles - how they're retained.  Later!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 97 23:03:07 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[3]: Hurst 442 trans swap parts info

John Pajak wrote:

The stick in my 70 442 (console) and the one in my 70 Cutlass (bench 4
speed no console) are bent differently. The console version sorta
zig-zigs and the non console version is straighter.

     OK.  'Course, the buckets-4spd-no console stick is probably yet
     another configuration.  :-)

I think (not sure) that the shifter unit itself may have a different
angle also.

     I seem to recall that when shopping for an aftermarket Competition
     Plus unit for my long-gone 72 442 (about 20 years ago!) that the
     only application listed was for _no_ console.  This was
     fortunately what I had, and now that you mention it, the stick
     _was_ straight up from the shifter mechanism.  In fact, I think
     I've still got that unit around here someplace.

I also have a few unknown units which I am trying to identify by part
ª. Any ideas? :)

     Thought about contacting Hurst/Mr. Gasket directly?  They still
     offer the rebuilding service, so they should be able to identify
     them.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 23:36:05 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 1983  15th Anniversary Hurst Olds for sale

Yes, clear coat damage.  The '83 and '84 H/O's had a base/clear paint job.
Neither of them are spectacular by today's standards.  The '83's seem to be
worse off, probably because they're black and soak up the heat.  I've seen more
'83's with bad paint than '84's by far.

If it's a clean, straight car with not much wear and tear, and no rust, it's
easily worth the asking price IMHO.  There's an '83 H/O here in town for $2500
with slight rust, a TH400 tranny, smoking engine, really sad paint, and many
trim items missing.

My paint is starting to get slightly crazed too on the hood.  Sigh.  $600 decal
set here I come.

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:12:25 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

M.Chapman wrote:

> I do have all those things except on headlight bezel is not black.  I hit a

The black bezels are still available.  I just bought two spares from Tamraz's
this past summer.  Their number is on Bryceman's 442.com web page or in the
FAQ.  The amber turn signals are still available too.  Buy a few spares while
you still can!

> i have one question though. part of my column rotates around the rest of
> the coulmn whenever i shift gears.  could it be that someone has relaced

It's supposed to do that.  I thought it was weird too at first.  It's necessary
to operate the neutral safety switch, move your PRNDL gauge, and to lock the
steering column.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:35:08 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

In a message dated 97-12-03 03:16:15 EST, you write:

<<  The amber turn signals are still available too.  Buy a few spares while
 you still can! >>
are talking about the 86 salons??? Mine has the amber lens also
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 00:47:14 -0800
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:53:33 -0500 (EST)
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: cross-ref

      A common book used in salvage yards is called " Hollander". This book
list which parts will fit directly into another application. They are
expensive...around 85-100 dollars. Try looking for one at a swap meet or
there might be a phone number/sales person listed in the Hemmings book. Hope
this helps...SCOTT

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 97 04:08:30 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: car parts and information

I have a 1949 olds 98 fastback and would like information about swapping the
stock rear axel to a later one.  Also need a right front fender and the left
grille chrome extension that wraps around the bottom of the left front fender.
 Also would like information about interchangeable parts that would fit my
car.  Thanks


PV7793@classicmsn.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 05:32:32 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question

> I am wondering, how many parts are still availible from GM, and how far
> back can I go???  Like maybe far enough that I can snag a BRAND new set
> of Burlwood interior trim panels?  Or maybe even REPLACE the upper door
> panel on my 87 Cutlass with an (gasp) 87 Cutlass Supreme panel!!!! <G>

Keep in mind, as I have said before, I've been slowly buying
"replacement" parts for my 85 442 since it was about 3 years old.  I
HAVE just recently bought an extra ashtray/lid assembly, as well as a
radio cover plate.(I already have one complete set).  However, the
interior door panels were available up until only a few years ago.  They
don't have much in the upholstery department.  You can still get many
parts for them though.  Some pretty cheap too.  Example, the
black/chrome edge dash guage surround bezel is only around 8 dollars.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 06:44:47 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Advice needed for rear axle replacement

At 09:14 PM 12/2/97 -0800, you wrote:
Dino

        Strange Axles or Currie Industries can make you a set of Billet
axles for your rear and you'd never have a problem. They run about $295 a set.

Jim Chermack


>Hello everyone,
>I'm looking at replacing one of the axle shafts which aquired a small
>wobble after getting a little too close to a curb.  I've got a 70 W-30
>with a W-27 diff with 3.91 gears.  I read somewhere that these
>differentials came with heavy duty axles.  Does anyone know where I can
>find these. I'm going to check out some scrap yards but I'd like to
>know  which differential gear ratios came with these heavy duty axles.
>
>Also, the assembly manual I've got refers to a separate assembly manual
>for the axle and rear drive assembly (p/n 405237). Any ideas on who to
>try for this manual?
>
>Thanks
>Dino
>70 W-30
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 08:44:48 -0600
From: "Joel Babbitt" <joelb@flash.net>
Subject: MEMBERSHIP

Please remove me from this subscription as soon as possible.  Thanking you
in advance for your immediate attention>

Joel J. Babbitt

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 09:47:57 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> Bill Gochenour wrote:
>
> > anybody wanna buy a soap box ?
>
> Will it house 2 10s??? <G>
> --
>                             Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__,         1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

- --------

Depends, are they sealed or ported type drivers ?



Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:51:20 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

I wrote:

> > I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
> > one car.


Bill Gochenour wrote:

> This particular vehicle with near a dozen trophy wins, including the
> Alpine Car Audio Nationals, was designed and built to be one of the more
> conservitative show systems out there.


Bill,

Doug Newman pointed out to me in private e-mail that your car sound system
was built for competitions.  I was unaware of this when I wrote my response
about your car sound system.  So under these circumstances I understand and
I'll not debate the setup.  I'll leave the competition to you.  Sounds like
you know what you're doing.

I thought you were advocating this for the average car and driver.  It
sounds like it's a wonderful listening experience, but this setup is
probably beyond many of us ($$$).

I still stand by my original statement.  If the stereo allows you to tune
out (pun intended) the rest of the world, I think you are taking a risk in
that you won't be able to hear necessary traffic related sounds outside of
the car.

Or as Mike Hall(?) put it, you won't be able to hear the nice rumble of a
442's exhaust!  That should be music to your ears.
- --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:57:16 -0500 (EST)
From: J2ROCKET@aol.com
Subject: Re: off-idle stumble

To PSHENG . Hoagie has some very good points in his letter. I would check the
accelerator pump shot to make sure you are getting a good shot of gas
IMMEDIATELY as the throttle plates crack open. The second thing to check
would be the vacumn advance operation to the distributor. It must be
connected to ported vac. nipple on dist. and get a vac. signal immediately
when throttle plates crack open. As far as points go, I change mine on all 3
of my window cap Delco equipped cars at 40,000 to 60,000 miles wheather they
need it or not. Use Mallory points but DO NOT use Mallory condensors (high
failure rate). G.M., F*rd, & Chr*sler Have not manufactured points for some
years now. They market them with their logo, but they roll off the same
assembly line in Mexico as the $3.98 tune up kits you see in the stores (
poor contact & rubbing block matierial). This probably explains some of the
recent questions about point ignition reliability. Their are not enough point
ign. cars on the road to justify the expense of making points in the U.S.A.
Good luck & let us know what the fix was.
                                      J2ROCKET
    57 OLDS SUPER 88
    55 OLDS SUPER 88
    72  INTERNATIONAL SCOUT
    (all 3 above with Delco window cap distributors)

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 07:22:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: Dear Santa

Dear Santa::

I have been a good boy this year.  I have been nice to people on the Olds
Mailing List and have refrained from Flaming others.  Even when some people
with the dreaded olds defiency disease broke the 11th commandment last month
"Thy shall not covert thy neighbors oldsmobile" I did not wish bad things
onto them.   I know that you and your elves are busy salvaging olds parts
from junkyards across the states to grant the wishes of other good boys and
girls, so I will make my wish list short and too the point.

All I want for Christmas is a Dual snorkel air cleaner (from 442) for G-body
car (86
Olds Saloon).  Now I realize that Santa may not have time to fulfill this
late request., so if anyone out there can  help fulfill my X-mas wish please
feel free to contact me.

Jeff Dick
86 Cutlass Salon (stolen once, never twice)
jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:18:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: off-idle stumble

On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 J2ROCKET@aol.com wrote:
> As far as points go, I change mine on all 3
> of my window cap Delco equipped cars at 40,000 to 60,000 miles wheather they
> need it or not. Use Mallory points but DO NOT use Mallory condensors (high
> failure rate). G.M., F*rd, & Chr*sler Have not manufactured points for some
> years now. They market them with their logo, but they roll off the same
> assembly line in Mexico as the $3.98 tune up kits you see in the stores (
> poor contact & rubbing block matierial). This probably explains some of the
> recent questions about point ignition reliability. Their are not enough point
> ign. cars on the road to justify the expense of making points in the U.S.A.

I have never seen Mallory points for sale in any store... what kind of
place carries them? Speed shop?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:19:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Dear Santa

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
To:Olds mailing list <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Dear Santa

Dear Santa::

I have been a good boy this year.  I have been nice to people on the Olds
Mailing List and have refrained from Flaming others.  Even when some people
with the dreaded olds defiency disease broke the 11th commandment last month
"Thy shall not covert thy neighbors oldsmobile" I did not wish bad things
onto them.   I know that you and your elves are busy salvaging olds parts
from junkyards across the states to grant the wishes of other good boys and
girls, so I will make my wish list short and too the point.

All I want for Christmas is a Dual snorkel air cleaner (from 442) for G-body
car (86
Olds Saloon).  Now I realize that Santa may not have time to fulfill this
late request., so if anyone out there can  help fulfill my X-mas wish please
feel free to contact me.

Jeff Dick
86 Cutlass Salon (stolen once, never twice)
jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:21:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: F.S. 1962 Olds Cutlass Convertible (fwd)

From the newsgroups; for those of you who do not have enough junque
cluttering up the back 40 already... ;-) Not sure of location.
Normally I wouldn't bother forwarding but these are neat cars and it'd
be nice to preserve one.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Newgroups: rec.autos.antique
Subject: (fwd) F.S. 1962 Olds Cutlass Convertible
From: da9631@access.mountain.net


For Sale:  1962 Olds cutlas Convertibe.  CAr is complete.  also
included a complete 1962 Buick skylark convertible and also a 1962 olds
F-85 Sedan and a coupe in running condition.  Reply by E-mail to
da9631@access.mountain.net

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:21:40 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: I'm back

> flight to Florida was great. Coming back yesterday
> was a disaster. Called Kiwi at 12:30 and flight was
> said to be on time, [...] We finally got off the ground
> around 8:30 - kids were a little grumpy after spending
> the day in the airport.  OLDS RELATED PART -
> We were on flight 442.

Ah, yes, but it wasn't the _right_ Flight 442; no wonder
you had a bad time. You want _United_ Flight 442. Not
only do you get free pretzel sticks, but when you get
off the plane, you're in Detroit. Not much to look at, but
they make cars there.  :-)
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:30:16 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: POR 15 (long!)

Greg,

I have used POR 15 some and like it very much.  I have used it on some
wheels which get bad treatment from the on & off of wheelcovers.  The wheels
in question were badly pitted w/rust, but after 2 years still look just
great.  It is also put on the roof of my '70 GS 455 as an undercoat for the
vinyl top.  After priming, I am expecting great things & the end to any rust
problems.

I agree that the thinner/reducer is a waste of time & money.  It is not
thinned to brush & that is the only safe way for an amateur to use it.  Many
large shows have a display for it's sale.  That is the cheapest source.
BTW, black is not the only color.  There is silver for bumpers etc.  2 coats
are always best; but of course, scuff between them & prime/color coat
afterward.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


A while back ssomeone was asking about using POR 15 paint to fight rust.
I found this on the web, put together by John Blair.

    <snip>

11. Where can I get POR-15?

The POR company. They advertise in Hemmings all the time. Their address is:
POR-15 Inc
P.O. Box 1235
Morristown, NJ. 07962-1235
(201) 887-1999
(800) 457-6715

To email POR-15 Company with comments or questions.

I suggest you contact them and see if they can give you the name of a local
distributor. I paid $29 + $6.75 or $35.75 from them. From a local
distributor I pay $26.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Dec 97 07:28:04 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Heater/AC control switch

     Recently a vacuum leak has occurred in the heater/AC control switch in
     the dash in my 71 Cutlass.  The hissing starts when the temp control
     is moved from the cold position.  I checked for broken or disconnected
     hoses, but found nothing.  I've never had one of these out.  Any tips?
     Are they repairable?

     If I need a replacement does anyone know of a source besides the junkyard?

     Thanks

     Vince Knight

     71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible




------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 09:52:38 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 69 W-30 Radiator Core support

Clay,

The hole for the hose is cut into the plastic fender liners.  The scoops
mount to the brace areas for the fender liners & core support using the same
bolts.  The core supports are probably not different except that they fit 4
row radiators.

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible



>Is there a difference between the 69 W-30 Radiator core support
>and a 442 radiator core support?  Or is the cut out for the OAI
>in the red inner fender wells?  What does the plastic scoops
>under the front bumper attach to?  Does it show this in the Fisher
>Body Manual?  Just thinking of making my convertible a W-30.
>
>Thanks,
>Clay
>69 442 convertible
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:30:28 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Andrew A. Senko wrote:
>
> I wrote:
>
> > > I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
> > > one car.
>
> Bill Gochenour wrote:
>
> > This particular vehicle with near a dozen trophy wins, including the
> > Alpine Car Audio Nationals, was designed and built to be one of the more
> > conservitative show systems out there.
>
> Bill,
>
> Doug Newman pointed out to me in private e-mail that your car sound system
> was built for competitions.  I was unaware of this when I wrote my response
> about your car sound system.  So under these circumstances I understand and
> I'll not debate the setup.  I'll leave the competition to you.  Sounds like
> you know what you're doing.
>
> I thought you were advocating this for the average car and driver.  It
> sounds like it's a wonderful listening experience, but this setup is
> probably beyond many of us ($$$).
>
> I still stand by my original statement.  If the stereo allows you to tune
> out (pun intended) the rest of the world, I think you are taking a risk in
> that you won't be able to hear necessary traffic related sounds outside of
> the car.
>
> Or as Mike Hall(?) put it, you won't be able to hear the nice rumble of a
> 442's exhaust!  That should be music to your ears.
> --
>                     _
>                     |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
>      .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
>      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
>      =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
> _________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

I didn't mean to seem jumppy but, most tend to confuse a high-end sound
system with the someone who just realized his home speakers fit in place
of the back seat. The major difference if one is loud & noise, the other
is loud & clear. From past experience a good rule is: if you can hear
(and feel) it from 2 blocks away, it sounds like sh*t in the car.

You are correct, this particular system did get a little pricey, when I
stopped counting, between equipment/man hours/screw-ups, it went well
into the five digit range. If you recall the original post did request
an "Awesome" system.

I myself also do not recomend any system loud while driving. New cars
already seal out to much of the outside world for me. Rarely is this car
driven, it's strickly flatbed.

Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.


- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Oldsmobile Bravada 4x4       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34     |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34


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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 11:43:39 -0500 (EST)
From: TURBO38@aol.com
Subject: 6 speed in a 70w-30?

Help!
Can anyone out there tell me what i need to do to get a 6 -speed from a
camaro in my 70 W-30 with a close ratio m-22. it has a 3:91to 1 12 bolt
rearend. has someone already done it? what about the bell housing? any help
will be appreciated.

thanks,
turbo38
70 cutlass supreme conv.
70 w-30  4-speed.
90 GSXR-750

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:58:51 PST
From: "Luis Chevere" <lchevere@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

I have an 84 Cutlass Supreme.  My cruise control and windshield wiper
broke and is hanging by wire which is left mounted to the steering wheel
.  How can I replace this?  Do I have to get a complete steering wheel
component?  Any help, if so e-mail direct.  I can't drive to long
without windshield wipers.

lchevere@hotmail.com

______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 08:59:50 PST
From: "Luis Chevere" <lchevere@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

I have an 84 Cutlass Supreme.  My left mounted to the steering wheel
cruise control and windshield wiper broke and is hanging by wire.  How
can I replace this?  Do I have to get a complete steering wheel
component?  Any help, if so e-mail direct.  I can't drive to long
without windshield wipers.

lchevere@hotmail.com

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:33:31 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: POR 15

Nice post! A couple of comments.

I've found thinning it with Xylol or Xylene is better than Lacquer
Thinner, although LT works pretty well. X seems to thin and spread
nicer, and really smooth out after application, although it seems to
evaporate faster. X and LT are about equally priced, although I found my
local ACE Hardware has a better price per quart (by a buck), than Home
Depot or Menards. Other products are the opposite though. Go figure!

Foam brushes, although their packaging recommends against use with
lacquer or shellac, spread slightly thinned POR-15 nicely. Very nice and
smooth! So smooth, I used it on a hood and trunk lid. Dusting it with
primer when the POR-15 is tacky (about 2-3 hours), allows priming a
couple of hours after dusting.

Small pore foam, glued at the sides, brushes work best. If the glue
seperates, just press it back together after a thorough cleaning in LT.

When storing, I've found a thin layer of X on top of the paint helps
preserve it. If POR 15 dries on your skin, you have to wear it off.
Takes about a week or two depending where it is and how oily the skin
was!

The POR clear coat product called Pelucid is great, but $$!
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/~da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:06:37 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: 85 442

I have a 1985 442.  I have not been able to find a production number for
this year.  I have been told it is somewhere around 2,500 and 3,000.  There
is some information on the 86 and 87 models, but an extremely limited
amount of info on the 85.  Can anyone give me an excact number?

Matt

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 13:14:50 -0500
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: December Restoration Decal Sale

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 10:23:36 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

This discussion just became very interesting to me.  On my way to work
today, one of my axles decided that it did not want to spend the rest of
its life stuck in that same old housing and started to slide out.

I have a 12 bolt type O axle from a 68 cutlass.  I had that particular
wheel bearing replaced at my local service station about 2 weeks ago so I
am thinking about laying the majority of the blame on them.

Question:  How are the axles retained on an Olds and what would cause an
axle to wander out like this?

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser (anyone up for a 3 legged race??)

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 14:31:15 -0500
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: December Decal Sale

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         Order our 18 page catalog that also includes 1964-'84
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:31:35 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???

In a message dated 97-12-03 07:19:19 EST, you write:

<<
 I thought so too, but nope...  My uncle had the Gold 86 Cutlass Salon in
 the 100th Anniversary Parade in Lansing....  And I always thought he had
 T-Tops, but nope, none on his car....  There is also a non T-Top Salon
 in the Junkyard here...  Pretty well picked over (I go in search for
 parts, anything in good shape)
 --
     >>
when I first got my battered, 307 seized, smashed in the rear qtr Salon for
$100, I called olds for info about my salon (no comp yet) I believe they said
that in 86 alone, there were only 963 or 943 g-bodies w/t-tops....like
mine!!!!
 Also you can get all dealer info for yr car, unless it was made in Canada,
like mine!!!
Stuff like fac build sheet, opts for yr car, etc, but only for US made
cars...according to OLDS.
Bernie....reviving an 86 Salon..........

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:33:59 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Attn 83 and 84 H/O owners....or tranny people...shift linkage???

Since the car orig had a 3 spd auto, now Im putting in a 4 spd auto.....
THANKS TO ALL WHO HELPED W/MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!

Is the shifter linkage different, or do I have to change it.????
Thanks in advance,
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:37:33 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: Rearenz
<snip>
>I have a 12 bolt type O axle from a 68 cutlass.
This means that you have a Ch*evy type 12 bolt and the 68 Cutlass was
made in Canada.

>Question:  How are the axles retained on an Olds and what would cause
an
>axle to wander out like this?
The Olds, (BOP) axles are retained by four studs and nuts behind the
brake drum. They are known as type "C" axles and are really 10 bolt
with a 12 bolt cover.
The Ch*vy axle you have (or don't have :-) ), is held on by a clip
inside the differential case. They are known to break.
The good news is, that any Chevelle 12 bolt type axle should fit and
they are a lot more plentiful than the Olds C type axles.
Sorry for being so long winded, but this is one of the subjects I know
a little about, having had to replace one (an Olds type), a few months
ago. Never did find the right one and ended up getting a complete 70
GTO rearend.
Hope this helps.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 12:45:27 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: RE: POR 15

At 11:33 AM 12/3/97 -0600, you wrote:
One more comment:
<snip>
>If POR 15 dries on your skin, you have to wear it off.
>Takes about a week or two depending where it is and how oily the skin
>was!

I had some on me the other day when I was painting my floorpan and it was
on for a few days when I decided to try nail polish remover.  Stuff came
right off with no effort even.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 14:50:07 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Trans mystery......solved......help??

Uh-oh, I decoded my trans, its an 81!!!!!  anybody know of any problems w/the
81 4spds???   Thanks to all who helped in decoding it.........

Bernie

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:00:51 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rearenz

Mike,
I think the Olds axles/diff are referred to as type "O" which
are press fit and retained by a plate, and chevy types are referred to
as type "C" axles/diff, which are retained by C-clips. That's what my
chassis manual says. Common mistake...?:}

Fernando Proietto
A. Manager
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: M&D Gillespie[SMTP:mgillespie@sprynet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 1997 2:37 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rearenz
>
> >Question:  How are the axles retained on an Olds and what would cause
> an
> >axle to wander out like this?
> The Olds, (BOP) axles are retained by four studs and nuts behind the
> brake drum. They are known as type "C" axles and are really 10 bolt
> with a 12 bolt cover.
> The Ch*vy axle you have (or don't have :-) ), is held on by a clip
> inside the differential case. They are known to break.
> The good news is, that any Chevelle 12 bolt type axle should fit and
> they are a lot more plentiful than the Olds C type axles.
> Sorry for being so long winded, but this is one of the subjects I know
> a little about, having had to replace one (an Olds type), a few months
> ago. Never did find the right one and ended up getting a complete 70
> GTO rearend.
> Hope this helps.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 11:44:09 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Rearenz

Erik Nowacki wrote:
>
> This discussion just became very interesting to me.  On my way to work
> today, one of my axles decided that it did not want to spend the rest of
> its life stuck in that same old housing and started to slide out.

Talk about a fruedian slip! :-)  Sorry to hear about your problem with
the
axle.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 15:11:17 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 1986 Salon info.....

This is from the paperwork olds sent me.......
Olds production for 86  1,199,134 cars and of those,

9,608 were that series and body style (coupe)

937 had the CF5 astroroof option      mine is one of them!!!

Bernie

ps.  is the code FE2 the std suspension, wah mine has it!!!

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