
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, November 30 1997      Volume 01 : Number 979



diff lube
425 => 455
LH/RH
dented oil pan
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
trade or not to trade....
350 build/ die&sell?
Re: Chrome Bumpers
Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........
Re: Ch*vy comments
all you "G" body fans
need tire reccomendation
1970 Olds 442 ( W-30 ?) For Sale
Re: G-Body Interior Questions
Re: all you "G" body fans
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?
Diesel brake conversion
69 Hurst Oldsmobile Cutlus Supreme
Re: all you "G" body fans
Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?
Re: Ch*vy comments
Convertible Top Installation
Re: 1969 98 conv. for parts
OCA Web Site Updated!!! (Major stuff!)
Re: G-Body Interior Questions
74 h/o
UNBOUNCE: 1970 Olds 442 (W-30?) For Sale
Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass
Dealer Installed Options
Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?
72 Supreme Green
1970 W-31 for Sale
Re: Dealer Installed Options
Re: G-Body Interior Questions
Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........
Re: 72 Supreme Green
Re: parts voice answer
Re: OCA Web Site Updated!!! (Major stuff!)
Re: 72 Supreme Green
Re: EGR question
72 Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........
Re: $250 D88
"68 442 Dashpad
Re: EGR question
Re: all you "G" body fans
Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs.......and the 86 442???...
Re: Convertible Top Installation
Re: fastest Olds
UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Parts FS
UNBOUNCE: '69 Hurst/Olds
Re: Diesel brake conversion
Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass
Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........
69' Deluxe Steering Wheel
Re: 69' Deluxe Steering Wheel
Re: Ch*vy comments
Re: need tire reccomendation
Neat Olds' 4 Sale

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:48:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: diff lube

Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I just
changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does that
relate to in metric figures please?  Fernando Proietto
- --followed by--
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity

Fill it up until it runs out the hole or you can touch it through the
hole.I think you should pay someone else to work on your car...
==============

Jeez, that seems a little extreme. Oh, Mr. Congeniality! Of course. Trying to
take over my position...

What BRC says is correct, however. Just go buy 2 qts/ litres/ jugs/ whatever,
and fill it till the lube is at or near the fill hole level. More is OK, less
is OK if not too much less. Never mind *exactly* how much it takes, it's not
like you're adding it with a burette, anyhow, right?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:51:13 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 425 => 455

Hello, my name is Nick Gomez, and I was on the list up until a couple of
months ago. I own a 1965 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight, and while not the most
desirable car, I love it. 425 cubic inches with a four barrel, it is very
large and very classy. It's in pretty rough condition now, I suppose. I'd
like to freshen up the interior and put a nice coat of paint on it. Then, a
nice engine rebuild, punch the block out to 455 inches....
===========
Hey, Nick. Long time no see.

Frankly, you might be better off leaving the 425 alone. It's a great motor.
Also, the bore of the two is the same, the way to make a 425 into a 455 or vice
versa is to swap the reciprocating assembly: crank, rods, pistons. They do not
mix-n-match. If you're gonna do that, mitaswell just get a whole 455 w/ that
modern cam bank angle, too, make cam selection a breeze.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:57:37 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: LH/RH

Big blocks, regardless of CID and year, will have a raised rib on the
left side of the timing chain shelf (where the casting number and ID
are). Small block Olds are completely flat, with no intersecting rib.
The intake will also measure somewhere in the 14" range, as opposed to
12" for the SBO.
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
===================
True enough, except for one teeny correction I would make...

that rib's at the LH end of the shelf IF you are facing the engine from the
front. USUALLY, on a vehicle, LH or RH is determined as one sits in the
operator's seat [a problem with backhoes I suppose...] I like to think of it
as, "imagine you ARE the car." That would make the rib at the RH end of the
shelf on the engine. I would go passenger side vs. driver's side, but in some
countries the reverse that as well.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:02:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: dented oil pan

=Your right, that # isn't right.  It is 395558.  I couldnt remember it

Of course, I'm right, that's what I'm here for!

=I got another annoying question.  The oil pan on my cutlass has a
=big-a** dent in it, pushing it up.  Is there any way I could take off
=the oil pan without having to raise the engine?  Thanks, Erik
=================
  Assuming the dent is near the drain bolt:

I have had success as follows: get an old oil pan bolt or some other 1/2" NF
bolt. Weld a BIG washer to the head, so it sticks straight up [down when
installed]. Drain the oil, install your new eye bolt in the drain hole, thread
it in all the way. fulcrumming [is that a word?] off a large nearby frame
member, use a large pry bar to apply a downward force to the eye bolt in the
drain hole. Apply light hammer taps to edges of the dent to help convince the
dent to go away. It'll still be denty when done, but the oil will drain
completely.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:15:45 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Jerry Christopher wrote:
> 
> Just getting a feel of the mail list here, and I am awestruck....
> 
> Just an off the wall question not about Olds....  Is there anyone here
> from the Southeast??  Particularlly between Savannah Ga and Myrtle Beach
> SC....  I am in Charleston SC, looking for people around me....  (Boy if
> this didn't make me look stooopid)  <G>
> 
> Now...  G-Body Cutlass Questions, Round #2...
> 
> 1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
> to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?
> 
> 2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
> they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?
> 
> 3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305?
> (Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
> liking Olds better)
> --
>                          Jerry Christopher
>     ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,       1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> =O------O=        It ain't my father's oldsmobile!


I'm from greenwood sc and am about 2 hours from you...have a garage full 
of older oldsmobiles....let me know if theres anything I can help ya 
with...Hoagie

1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 sports coupe
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:34:44 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: trade or not to trade....

 tom, i am very interested in gage, and tach,  let's do something on the tape
 deck and some cash.. or on the ss 1 caps....

    olds guy....

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:35:51 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 350 build/ die&sell?

From: Maurice Loboguerrero <molobo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: 350 rebuild

I have an 80 cutlass calis that came with a 350 diesel. before I bought
it in 87 the engine was changed to a olds gas 350.. Now its time to
overhaul and I want to hop it up...are there any publications showing
olds 350 how to hotrod or books like chevy put out for their small block
with tips and options for best results? I also need to identify the year
of my engine and find out if the block that I have was the diesel block
converted to gas...  can you help??
- ------------------------------
Yes, we can.

Start with the FAQ, that should get you the engine pegged. Then we can discuss
if you need/ want better or different heads, what to do for pistons, etc.


- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:36:02 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chrome Bumpers

   bumper work has really gone up in last 10 yrs...   i pay about 250

    each in ga, thanks for info  jeff....

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:22:07 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........

In a message dated 97-11-29 09:34:08 EST, you write:

<< 
 I wish...  Ghia is like the "Salon" of Cutlasses in the Mustang II
 parking lot...  It's just a regular old II....  :(
 -- 
   >>
Hi Jerry,
 UH, guess what, i have an 86 Cutlass Salon t/tops.  I thought that in 86, it
had the 140hp 307, w/442 the heavy duty susp., mine has a rear sway bar also.
Still, u dont c to mant stanger II's around here.
Bernie

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:55:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Ch*vy comments

Just to ensure there isn't any more discussion about the flame-bait 
comments by Ben Cook, be advised that he left the list of his own accord 
shortly after the last of his less-than-congenial posts...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:23:35 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: all you "G" body fans

hey guys,	
	theres a guy locally here in south carolina that has a 30th 
anniversary Hurst Olds I beleive its a 87?...very nice condtion...with 
t-tops...and original paint..lightning rod shifters...don't know the 
price but if anyones interested in it I'll take a closer look and see 
how negotiable the guy is on the price...probably will move some on it  
since its been for sale for about 6 or 8 months now...let me know...

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:26:53 -0800 (PST)
From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
Subject: need tire reccomendation

I have a set of "LTD" whitewalls on my '72 cutlass and they suck!
They squeal while making U-turns, and they make squeaking sounds if you
round a corner at any speed faster than a 90-year-old would take it.
Worse yet, burnouts sound like slipping alternator belts.  Can anyone 
reccomend some good tires for 14x7 rims that don't cost too much?

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 97 05:12:30 PST
From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Subject: 1970 Olds 442 ( W-30 ?) For Sale

          Hi, everybody									                    The same friend of mine
that told me about the Hurst called me again to tell me about another car
supposedly a 70 442 W-30, well here i go again running far off in hopes of
finding a decent car to restore & show . Heres what i found.             70
442 w/ red inner fenders,Muncie 4sd. , ( Power D Brakes ? ) That's odd i
thought that manual trans. cars came with manual brakes. Ram Air Hood in
need of work to the nose due to the owner driving in the rain on the way to
work in a hurry. Ram Air Breather, NO ALUMINUM INTAKE , E  Heads. I didn't
have time to or the light to see if the engine vin# matched the VIN# on the
car but i did get the cowl tag    ST70  34487LAN447555			     					TR937   
                48A  PNT    								04E                  B85				           
         The owner loves the car & hates to sell it but needs to for
financial reasons.   				The car needs a coplete resto.  asking $5,000.00  
She turned down an offer of $4,000.00 just the other day so i do not think
she well come off that price much but if anybody is interested e-mail me
direct.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:30:20 -0500
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Interior Questions

> 
> 1. When did Olds change to the lighter "Pecan" style wood grain
> paneling?
> I LOVE the deeper paneling, but   it doesn't seem to
> look like Olds had a headlight panel that will work with the deeper  
> walnut type paneling on the 87 with the button type headlight
> switch....  
> 
It is probably a fake burlwood from the early 80s.  But I can't remember
what the 81/82 looked like.  The "balsa" wood look, (forgive me, but that's
what it reminds me of) showed up in 86 in the lighter and different grain. 
I do have an NOS 87 "pecan" console shifter plate though, in case anyone
needs one.  They came in two different styles in 87.  One being the pecan,
and the other a silvery gray.

> 2. Is there a panel out there with the deeper, darker "Walnut" woodgrain
> trim that will fit on the headlight switch?

Yes.  The 84/85s had the switch cover that was identical to the 87
configuration.  Not sure about the 83s.
> 
> 3. How does the curved panel come off of the passenger side with the
> tiny A/C vent working???

Look out for this.  There are spring clips that hold it in just like the
rest of these panels.  That's all.  You have to gently pry this out.  Good
luck.

>   I am going back this week to get both panels, and fitting the pass.
> panel in, I am   thinking that I can strip the headlight sticker, and
> cut it to fit the 87 with the   button style headlight housing, am I
> right in the ways of the force??? <HG>
> 
Don't bother.  Go to your local GM boys parts desk, and ask for an 84 or 85
switch cover, or escutcheon, or whatever they're calling it nowadays.  I
believe you can still get them.  Not sure though.  I got a complete set
back in 94.......

> 4. Is there a company out there, that makes a "sticker" that can but cut
> to recover all the paneling with "Brushed Aluminum" similar to that seen
> on earlier muscle cars, and late 70's Mustang II's, Firebirds, and
> Camaros????

Most likely, but I don't know where that would be.  Good luck on this one.


Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:44:51 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: all you "G" body fans

- -----Original Message-----
From: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 4:26 PM
Subject: all you "G" body fans


>hey guys,
> theres a guy locally here in south carolina that has a 30th
>anniversary Hurst Olds I beleive its a 87?...very nice
condtion...with
>t-tops...and original paint..lightning rod shifters...don't know the
>price but if anyones interested in it I'll take a closer look and see
>how negotiable the guy is on the price...probably will move some on
it
>since its been for sale for about 6 or 8 months now...let me know...

Hmm.... The first Hurst Olds was the 68 model. In 1983, the 15th
anniversary edition was produced. As far as I know, the 84 Hurst Olds
was the last produced. Probably it's a 83 and 15th anniversary. Nice
cars. I'd like to have one myself.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:34:47 -0500
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

> > 1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail
lights
> > to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?

George Orwell's favorite year.  1984

> > 
> > 2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
> > they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?

D60 option, I do believe.  Twin body colored mirrors similar in shape to
the 71's/72s, etc.
> > 
> > 3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305?
> > (Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
> > liking Olds better)

It is a 307 Oldsmobile engine.  A fine one at that.  With the right
tweaking, it can make a few ponies, though a 350 or 403 is a better
starting point.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:42:50 -0500
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?

>Hoagie
> 
> 1970 Cutlass SX convertible
> 1971 442 W-30 convertible
> 1971 442 sports coupe
> 1971 Monte Carlo
> 1969 Camaro RS
> 1997 Camaro Z-28

Fine list of autos you have here, Hoagie.  I did notice something that
clicked sorta funny though.  The 71 442 "sports coupe"?  Is this a misnomer
that you were meaning hardtop?  The sports coupe style went away after
1970.  There were only 2 body style 442s in 71 to my knowledge, and
Oldsmobile literature.  The hardtop and the convertible.  If it is indeed a
post coupe, then you have something extremely rare I'm sure!  I'm not
trying to slam ya here Hoagie, I would just like to know if this is
something of a rarity or if sports coupe was meaning hardtop.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:46:34 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Diesel brake conversion

Hey, someone mentioned a few days back the idea of using a diesel brake 
booster setup on a low-vacuum (i.e., lotsa cam) car.  What parts would I 
need to swap to make this happen?

Thanks!


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:29:34 -0800
From: "D. Woodley" <purchud@direct.ca>
Subject: 69 Hurst Oldsmobile Cutlus Supreme

 My friend Russ just acquired what is touted to be a 69 Hurst Olds.
I was wondering if your vast group would have the know how to decipher the VIN # to confirm the vehicles true identity and valitity of options on the vehicle. Any info on areas of concern; being rust on said model would be helpful. I will give you the vin it may be easier to decipher than to explain. 
VIN#  3368791104079




                                                                 Thank you for your help.	
						Darren 

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:15:44 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: all you "G" body fans

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 4:26 PM
> Subject: all you "G" body fans
> 
> >hey guys,
> > theres a guy locally here in south carolina that has a 30th
> >anniversary Hurst Olds I beleive its a 87?...very nice
> condtion...with
> >t-tops...and original paint..lightning rod shifters...don't know the
> >price but if anyones interested in it I'll take a closer look and see
> >how negotiable the guy is on the price...probably will move some on
> it
> >since its been for sale for about 6 or 8 months now...let me know...
> 
> Hmm.... The first Hurst Olds was the 68 model. In 1983, the 15th
> anniversary edition was produced. As far as I know, the 84 Hurst Olds
> was the last produced. Probably it's a 83 and 15th anniversary. Nice
> cars. I'd like to have one myself.
> 
> Mick Gillespie
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm



I stand corrected then...Hoagie

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:20:31 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?

MROTHE wrote:
> 
> >Hoagie
> >
> > 1970 Cutlass SX convertible
> > 1971 442 W-30 convertible
> > 1971 442 sports coupe
> > 1971 Monte Carlo
> > 1969 Camaro RS
> > 1997 Camaro Z-28
> 
> Fine list of autos you have here, Hoagie.  I did notice something that
> clicked sorta funny though.  The 71 442 "sports coupe"?  Is this a misnomer
> that you were meaning hardtop?  The sports coupe style went away after
> 1970.  There were only 2 body style 442s in 71 to my knowledge, and
> Oldsmobile literature.  The hardtop and the convertible.  If it is indeed a
> post coupe, then you have something extremely rare I'm sure!  I'm not
> trying to slam ya here Hoagie, I would just like to know if this is
> something of a rarity or if sports coupe was meaning hardtop.
> 
> Mike Rothe

yes...its a hardtop....no post...Hoagie

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:23:40 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Ch*vy comments

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
 Ben Cook, be advised that he left the list of his own accord
> shortly after the last of his less-than-congenial posts...

Not a major loss in my opinion.  There is already enough animosity
(probably not spelled correctly, but you know what I mean) in this world
without having more here.  Uncalled for, unwanted, unlisted.  Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 17:41:55 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Convertible Top Installation

  I recall someone asking about doing a convertible top installation the
other day.  I dedicated the day to do the same thing myself.  I had the
help of my dad and all around it went pretty smoothly.  I'm pleased with
the results, and pleased with how much I saved :)  It is indeed time
consuming though.  It took around 7-8 hours to get it installed.  We had
taken the other top off previously so add some more time.  I would also
recommend painting the top frame at that time.  It would be a lot easier if
you had a good base to work with I think.  The top that happened to be on
my car was in pretty terrible shape (http://www.frii.com/~trudolph/  I'll
try to have new pictures soon) so it didn't offer great reference points to
work with.  The top materials I purchased ended up costing $350.  This
included a top, window, cables, pads, and some tack strip.  If you do
decide to do it yourself, good luck, and if you have any more questions
feel free to email privately and I can give you a little more input.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 97 07:01:43 PST
From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 98 conv. for parts

Hay, Billy									          This may sound like a stupid question but what
does JWO stand for? Thank's Luke


- ----------
> 
> I received my copy of JWO today and called about one of the ads in the
> Oldsified section (lead from Al Sandy), nothing panned out for me but I
> said I'd help the guy by putting the word out about this car.
> 
> I was hoping to pick up a 455 from this car but he's keeping that and the
> tranny.  He says everything else is for sale, body parts and interior.  As
> the subject says it's a 1969 98 Convertible, red with white interior. 
It's
> been hit in the rear end so the bumper is no good, slight dent in trunk
> lid, some rust in the rear quarters.  The rest seems to be in good shape,
> straight and little to no rust.  He'd prefer to sell the whole thing in
one
> shot but is willing to separate.  Call Craig Schaff at (718)445-7618,
> Located in Queens, New York.
> 
> I stand to gain nothing from this, just trying to be nice and help out
> another Olds fan.
> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:40:13 -0500
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: OCA Web Site Updated!!! (Major stuff!)

I uploaded many updates to theOCA web site Sat night.  Check it out!
http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

Hope you like the holiday theme :-)

Also for those who do not know what the OCA is, the site gives a good
overview of the national and local clubs.  And there are a couple
articles there from "Journey with Olds"
Also check out this month's featured car - a 1963 Starfire

Any and all comments/suggestions/bitching is welcome

- -- 

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:48:41 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Interior Questions

Jerry Christopher wrote:
 
> Got things regarding the later G-Body Cutlass interior paneling:
> 
> 1. When did Olds change to the lighter "Pecan" style wood grain
> paneling?

Here's what Olds used in different years:

87/88 RWD Supreme and Brougham - Regency Walnut
87 Salon, 86, 85, 84, 83, 82, 81, 80 and 79 Supreme, Brougham and
Salon/Calais  - Butterfly Walnut -- 84 was the first year for the big
radio housing/no clock housing. 82 was the first year for the new
headlight switch/revised rear dedogger placement.  Some newer
Salons/442s may have had brushed stainless?  
78 Supreme, Brougham, Salon and Calais - Swirl Walnut

> 2. Is there a panel out there with the deeper, darker "Walnut" woodgrain
> trim that will fit on the headlight switch?

82 thru 86 Supremes and Broughams, 82 thru 87 Salons 

> 3. How does the curved panel come off of the passenger side with the
> tiny A/C vent working???

I'd think it just pops off, carefully!

>   I am going back this week to get both panels, and fitting the pass.
> panel in, I am   thinking that I can strip the headlight sticker, and
> cut it to fit the 87 with the   button style headlight housing, am I
> right in the ways of the force??? <HG>

I'd wait to find the right panels that fits your switch - they're out
there.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do kamikaze pilots wear helmets?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:49:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Claypol442@aol.com
Subject: 74 h/o

Hi everyone, I am matt I live in Connecticut.  My brother is selling a 1974
hurst/olds W-30.  It is kinda bad condition.  If you have the heart it ca be
restored though. So if anyone is interested e-mail me.

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:16:21 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1970 Olds 442 (W-30?) For Sale

A problem with Luke's account, hopefully fixed now... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Subject: 1970 Olds 442 ( W-30 ?) For Sale

          Hi, everybody									                    The same friend of mine
that told me about the Hurst called me again to tell me about another car
supposedly a 70 442 W-30, well here i go again running far off in hopes of
finding a decent car to restore & show . Heres what i found.             70
442 w/ red inner fenders,Muncie 4sd. , ( Power D Brakes ? ) That's odd i
thought that manual trans. cars came with manual brakes. Ram Air Hood in
need of work to the nose due to the owner driving in the rain on the way to
work in a hurry. Ram Air Breather, NO ALUMINUM INTAKE , E  Heads. I didn't
have time to or the light to see if the engine vin# matched the VIN# on the
car but i did get the cowl tag    ST70  34487LAN447555			     					TR937   
                48A  PNT    								04E                  B85				           
         The owner loves the car & hates to sell it but needs to for
financial reasons.   				The car needs a coplete resto.  asking $5,000.00  
She turned down an offer of $4,000.00 just the other day so i do not think
she well come off that price much but if anybody is interested e-mail me
direct.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 20:51:02 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass

I live in Loganville, Ga.  Any parts for a 69 olds. 
Clay
69 442 Convertible

On Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:06:20 -0500 (EST) OldsGuyGA@aol.com writes:
>   olds guy in Ga has a friend with several  cutlass's  parts cars.. 
>solid
>bodies...
>
>      thanks  jeff,,,
>
>

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:31:31 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Dealer Installed Options

I have a 69 442 convertible with the 6 way power seat.  I have
the reliability copy for the car, I don't think its the build sheet
but more like the window sticker that has the options from
Lansing and red ink check marks were the dealer had checked
them off and his initials.  My question is that there is no listing
for the power seat.  Is it possible to install the dealer installed
options and not have them listed on the build sheet( I know it
sounds like a dumb question to ask, but I wanted to be sure)?
If so did they list the all the options(dealer and manufactures)
on the window sticker or invoice? 
Has anybody had this with there muscle car?  Could the W-30
option have been a dealer installed option for this year?  You
can tell where I am trying going with this.  I have the power trunk
and a 3.73 limited slip rear end that I am going to put in.  I think
these were dealer installed options that came out that year.

Thanks,
Clay Merenuk

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:19:07 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?

Hoagie- Mike Rothe has a good point.  Again, not as a slam, but as a
curiosity.  Most of us are interested in the unusual cars.  Unfortunately
Oldsmobile confused matters further by calling the  hardtop a "hardtop
coupe".  In earlier ( to '71) years, the "Sports Coupe" was a Cutlass post
model.  I also agree with Mike that you have a fine list of cars!


Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Mystery 71 442 sports coupe?
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 1997 10:20 PM
> 
> MROTHE wrote:
> > 
> > >Hoagie
> > >
> > > 1970 Cutlass SX convertible
> > > 1971 442 W-30 convertible
> > > 1971 442 sports coupe
> > > 1971 Monte Carlo
> > > 1969 Camaro RS
> > > 1997 Camaro Z-28
> > 
> > Fine list of autos you have here, Hoagie.  I did notice something that
> > clicked sorta funny though.  The 71 442 "sports coupe"?  Is this a
misnomer
> > that you were meaning hardtop?  The sports coupe style went away after
> > 1970.  There were only 2 body style 442s in 71 to my knowledge, and
> > Oldsmobile literature.  The hardtop and the convertible.  If it is
indeed a
> > post coupe, then you have something extremely rare I'm sure!  I'm not
> > trying to slam ya here Hoagie, I would just like to know if this is
> > something of a rarity or if sports coupe was meaning hardtop.
> > 
> > Mike Rothe
> 
> yes...its a hardtop....no post...Hoagie

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:48:14 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 72 Supreme Green

I would like the opportunity to tap into the wide variety of knowledge of
this list.
I am presently parting a 72 Supreme and it has a dash color I could best
describe as a dark army green, real dark green.  I non sunlight I thought
it was black till I removed it today and found it to be a dark green.
My question would be does this sound like a color you have heard of and if
so what color do I call it for a better description in posting it for sale.

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 21:50:44  -0500
From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Subject: 1970 W-31 for Sale

Hello,

On our way to buy my wife a new truck I found a 1970 W-31 for sale in
Gaithersburg, Maryland.  The car looked pretty rough and I didn't speak to
the owner, but thought that it may be of interest to someone on the list. 
The car was a Cutlass S, hood looked good, had a wing on the back and was a
four speed car.  The phone number listed on the window was 301 947-3356 and
the sign in the window said $3500 firm, which I thought was a bit high for
this car.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 442

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:01:15 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Dealer Installed Options

Clay V Merenuk wrote:
> 
> I have a 69 442 convertible with the 6 way power seat.  I have
> the reliability copy for the car, I don't think its the build sheet
> but more like the window sticker that has the options from
> Lansing and red ink check marks were the dealer had checked
> them off and his initials.  My question is that there is no listing
> for the power seat.  Is it possible to install the dealer installed
> options and not have them listed on the build sheet( I know it
> sounds like a dumb question to ask, but I wanted to be sure)?
> If so did they list the all the options(dealer and manufactures)
> on the window sticker or invoice?
> Has anybody had this with there muscle car?  Could the W-30
> option have been a dealer installed option for this year?  You
> can tell where I am trying going with this.  I have the power trunk
> and a 3.73 limited slip rear end that I am going to put in.  I think
> these were dealer installed options that came out that year.
> 
> Thanks,
> Clay Merenuk


I have a build sheet and window sticker for my 70 sx...and it has a 4 
way power bench seat...it is listed on both documents...but it doesn't 
really prove much 1 way or another....Hoagie

1970 Cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 "hardtop coupe"
1971 Monte Carlo
1969 Camaro RS
1997 Camaro Z-28

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:47:34 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: G-Body Interior Questions

MROTHE wrote:

> > 1. When did Olds change to the lighter "Pecan" style wood grain
> > paneling?

> It is probably a fake burlwood from the early 80s.  But I can't remember
> what the 81/82 looked like. 

This seemed to be in the older Cutlass, but same body style as the 87,
but the tail lights had the lines not the rockets, front clip was
removed, so I couldn't narrow years, my uncle put it in the 83-84 years.

> The "balsa" wood look, (forgive me, but that's what it reminds me of) showed up in 86 > in the lighter and different grain.

YEAH, I don't like it...  I like the deeper one! <G>

> > 2. Is there a panel out there with the deeper, darker "Walnut" woodgrain
> > trim that will fit on the headlight switch?
> 
> Yes.  The 84/85s had the switch cover that was identical to the 87
> configuration.  Not sure about the 83s.

So could there be a "deeper non-balsa wood" panel out there?  The two in
the Parts Yard had the pull headlight knob vs. the push button control.

> > 3. How does the curved panel come off of the passenger side with the
> > tiny A/C vent working???
 
> Look out for this.  There are spring clips that hold it in just like the
> rest of these panels.  That's all.  You have to gently pry this out.  Good
> luck.

There are two identical plates in the yard, the first will be the
learning one, the second will be MINE! <G>  Once I figure out how to get
it out, I'll do my own...  I have spare clips taken from my old panels.
 
> >   I am going back this week to get both panels, and fitting the pass.
> > panel in, I am   thinking that I can strip the headlight sticker, and
> > cut it to fit the 87 with the   button style headlight housing, am I
> > right in the ways of the force??? <HG>
> >
> Don't bother.  Go to your local GM boys parts desk, and ask for an 84 or 85
> switch cover, or escutcheon, or whatever they're calling it nowadays.  I
> believe you can still get them.  Not sure though.  I got a complete set
> back in 94.......

The Parts Yard sold me both for $10, I liked the price, and the panels
are CRISP and CLEAN, both, even the chrome accents are in immaculate
shape.
 
> > 4. Is there a company out there, that makes a "sticker" that can but cut
> > to recover all the paneling with "Brushed Aluminum" similar to that seen
> > on earlier muscle cars, and late 70's Mustang II's, Firebirds, and
> > Camaros????
> 
> Most likely, but I don't know where that would be.  Good luck on this one.

If I could find it, to heck with wood grain! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:52:56 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-11-29 09:34:08 EST, you write:
> 
> <<
>  I wish...  Ghia is like the "Salon" of Cutlasses in the Mustang II
>  parking lot...  It's just a regular old II....  :(

>  UH, guess what, i have an 86 Cutlass Salon t/tops.  I thought that in 86, it
> had the 140hp 307, w/442 the heavy duty susp., mine has a rear sway bar also.
> Still, u dont c to mant stanger II's around here.

Well, the II Ghia is a lux. package for the II, The Cobra, Stallion, and
Mach I are a combination of Performance and lux. packages only offered
on the Fastback... Ghia, MPG, and Notchback are the on the Coupe
Version...  So when I say the Ghia is the "Salon" of Mustang IIs, I am
in the right ball park...  <G> 

And, my II is on it's way to being sold, so I can put an alarm in the
Cutlass, the II only had a 4Cyl, 3Spd Auto, 3.00 Rear Gears, and a sick
suspension...  It made STOCK, about 92 HP in 77, vs 88 the other years
of IIs, mine was probably making 90-100 (extras IE: Plugs, Accel Wires,
Accel Coil)  It wasn't much to brag about, the AC DOES work though! <G>

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:55:03 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 72 Supreme Green

At 09:48 PM 11/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
Bob

        It's called Olive green. We have one of those cars.

Jim Chermack


>I would like the opportunity to tap into the wide variety of knowledge of
>this list.
>I am presently parting a 72 Supreme and it has a dash color I could best
>describe as a dark army green, real dark green.  I non sunlight I thought
>it was black till I removed it today and found it to be a dark green.
>My question would be does this sound like a color you have heard of and if
>so what color do I call it for a better description in posting it for sale.
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:04:11 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: parts voice answer

At 09:57 AM 11/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
Jeff

        If it gives you a dealer name it's still available. If it says it
finds no listing then there are non in current dealer inventory that's on
the computer system. Yes we will be at the Springfiled Nationals. I'm
bringing my 67 W-30, and we may vend some parts too. We're debating about
that though. We will be at Spring Carlisle selling parts.

Jim Chermack 

> jim, thanks for your reply the # you  gave me works, what is it's
> purpose.. will it tell you if that # is still avail or what thanks jeff..
>  
> are you planning on going to springfield summer 98 olds nat
>
>  olds guy ga...
>

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:06:28 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: OCA Web Site Updated!!! (Major stuff!)

Looks nice Brad - good job. 


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:16:05 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Supreme Green

> Bob
> 
>         It's called Olive green. We have one of those cars.
> 
> Jim Chermack
> 

Thanks Jim

Bob 

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:27:06 -0400
From: dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com (Valiant's Mud Lab)
Subject: Re: EGR question

Hi all,

After reading all that about EGR these days, I became worried.
This is why:

I've owned my 73 delta for a year now. Since i bought it the EGR has always
been disconnected, as well as the TVS switch and the vacuum to the
distributor. No cap is on.
The engine has always been running fine though, except for a rough idle
sometimes.

Should I modify something on the engine: get rid of the EGR valve and put a
plate instead? What about the TVS switch and the vacuum to the distributor?

I hope it's not too late...

Alain Lachatre
73 delta 88 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 23:45:44 -0100
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: 72 Cutlass Parts For Sale

Parts for sale:

    - 350 Rocket (compl. rblt 2 yrs ago, HMV-272-2 cam, Edel.Perf. RPM
Intake, no carb) $400
    - TH350 (2500-2800 stall w/shift kit, rblt 1 yr ago) $250
    - complete exhaust system in exc. cond. w/Hooker Headers $200

all still in car

reply to mailto:mackk@netinc.ca, not this list.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:16:34 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........

> I wish...  Ghia is like the "Salon" of Cutlasses in the Mustang II
> parking lot...  It's just a regular old II....  :(

        I was always under the impression that the Cutlass Salon was the
"sportier" model with the Supreme being the "classy" one.  Am I very
sadly mistaken?  I almost bought a '76 Salon back in '95, (ended up with
my '76 Monte instead - less needed to get it running) and it had buckets
and console and everything....don't recall what the dash had in it as
far as guages go.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:21:08 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: $250 D88

> everyone go modify your sig file right now to include a geographical clue, OK?

        How's this, Chris??  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Niagara Falls, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:31:23 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: "68 442 Dashpad

Cracked the dashpad on my '68 taking it out today. Kinda remember some of the
parts guys on the list having these a few weeks ago...

Email me privately if you have one. Prefer blue, must be air.

Peter
CoupeKing@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:40:36 -0800
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Valiant's Mud Lab wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> After reading all that about EGR these days, I became worried.
> This is why:
> 
> I've owned my 73 delta for a year now. Since i bought it the EGR has always
> been disconnected, as well as the TVS switch and the vacuum to the
> distributor. No cap is on.
> The engine has always been running fine though, except for a rough idle
> sometimes.
> 
> Should I modify something on the engine: get rid of the EGR valve and put a
> plate instead? What about the TVS switch and the vacuum to the distributor?
> 
> I hope it's not too late...
> 
> Alain Lachatre
> 73 delta 88 convertible


Also, what year was EGR first implemented on Olds?  I have heard '72 and
'73.  Thanks

Erik B.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:11:55 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: all you "G" body fans

I shouldnt ask, but what the hell, how much does he want???
Bernie.......w/a million other car projects!!!!!!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:25:48 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs.......and the 86 442???...

In a message dated 97-11-30 02:37:10 EST, you write:

<<         I was always under the impression that the Cutlass Salon was the
 "sportier" model with the Supreme being the "classy" one.  Am I very
 sadly mistaken?  I almost bought a '76 Salon back in '95, (ended up with
 my '76 Monte in >>
I can only vouch for 86, the c/s was the base model, then a broughm??  then
the salon, then the 442.  My salon is fully loaded, except for p/dl, remote
trunk, and remote psg side mirror.well ig ot them now out of a junkyard.
>>>my cae does have the rear sway bar though...
OK OK  whats the dif between the 442 and the Salon susp??? Thank for the
stang 2 info, allways interesting to learn more about them.
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:28:06 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Installation

madfatman?????

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:34:29 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: fastest Olds

In a message dated 97-11-29 00:30:33 EST, you write:

<< 
 i am right there with ya buddy!!!! 
 <~~2 '67 442s
  >>
and my 67 442 conv..and F-85!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Best looking A-Body!!!!!!!!!!
(IMHO) other olds a's nice too!!

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:23:40 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '72 Cutlass Parts FS

Please respond directly to mackk@netinc.ca if interested in these...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: 72 Cutlass Parts For Sale

Parts for sale:

    - 350 Rocket (compl. rblt 2 yrs ago, HMV-272-2 cam, Edel.Perf. RPM
Intake, no carb) $400
    - TH350 (2500-2800 stall w/shift kit, rblt 1 yr ago) $250
    - complete exhaust system in exc. cond. w/Hooker Headers $200

all still in car

reply to mailto:mackk@netinc.ca, not this list.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:25:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '69 Hurst/Olds

Reply directly to purchud@direct.ca if you can help... not on the list.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"D. Woodley" <purchud@direct.ca>
Subject: 69 Hurst Oldsmobile Cutlus Supreme

 My friend Russ just acquired what is touted to be a 69 Hurst Olds.
I was wondering if your vast group would have the know how to decipher the VIN # to confirm the vehicles true identity and valitity of options on the vehicle. Any info on areas of concern; being rust on said model would be helpful. I will give you the vin it may be easier to decipher than to explain. 
VIN#  3368791104079




                                                                 Thank you for your help.	
						Darren 

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 08:25:34 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Diesel brake conversion

I had a 79 Diesel car that was converted to gas. It had a power steering
pump that had an extra outlet that fed the brake booster.( Wish I had
kept that assembly) It seemed pretty straightforward to me.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:46:34 -0500 evans1@serv01.net-link.net writes:
>Hey, someone mentioned a few days back the idea of using a diesel 
>brake 
>booster setup on a low-vacuum (i.e., lotsa cam) car.  What parts would 
>I 
>need to swap to make this happen?
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Mike Evans
>Richland, MI
>evans1@net-link.net
>
>

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 09:45:02 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass

 clay, why not join  our local chapter...

    call me jeff   i'll give you more info on my friend he has a lot of
68-and 9 parts
     
                770-723-9345  i live in tucker...

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 10:20:08 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Olds Rockets and Stangs..........

Trevor Lee wrote:
> 
> > I wish...  Ghia is like the "Salon" of Cutlasses in the Mustang II
> > parking lot...  It's just a regular old II....  :(
> 
>         I was always under the impression that the Cutlass Salon was the
> "sportier" model with the Supreme being the "classy" one.  Am I very
> sadly mistaken?  I almost bought a '76 Salon back in '95, (ended up with
> my '76 Monte instead - less needed to get it running) and it had buckets
> and console and everything....don't recall what the dash had in it as
> far as guages go.

You are right, it's all in perception...  I look at the Salon as being
the "Classy" one, and the Supreme as the "Base" model.  Class being
added by gauges, and buckets, and consoles, vs, Bench seats and Column
Shifts.  <G>  

My point was that the Mustang II Ghia was a dress up package to the
basic Mustang II much like the Salon was to the basic Supreme.  Granted
all the options that the Ghia had could be bought on the Notchback
(except the rear windows and the Ghia emblem) much like the Salon, which
to my knowledge, you couldn't get a "Salon" emblem on a "Supreme"...  Is
there any other options not allowed, or sold on the Supreme?
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:36:09 -0600
From: "Russell G. Baker" <rgbaker@wt.net>
Subject: 69' Deluxe Steering Wheel

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I am trying to find a deluxe steering wheel for my 69' 442.
Frank in Florida says the deluxe steering wheel is the same from 69' - 72' and 
They only came in black.  Is this true? 
  
rgbaker@wt.net
" If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
Russ


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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:41:25 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 69' Deluxe Steering Wheel

Russ:  I'm not too sure what you mean by deluxe but I have the optional
sports steering wheel.  It has three spokes with the horn activated by a
long wood grained covered element in each spoke.  The center cap has a
plastic disc with the Olds symbol.  There definetly is a difference from
1968 to 1969 and then again between 1970 and over.  I've had people try
to sell me the 1970 and up sports wheel as a 1969 wheel.  Wayne Schwartz

Russell G. Baker wrote:
> 
> I am trying to find a deluxe steering wheel for my 69' 442.
> Frank in Florida says the deluxe steering wheel is the same from 69' - 72' and
> They only came in black.  Is this true?
> 
> rgbaker@wt.net
> " If it's worth doing.  Then do it right ! "
> Russ
> 
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:44:48 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Ch*vy comments

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Just to ensure there isn't any more discussion about the flame-bait
> comments by Ben Cook, be advised that he left the list of his own accord
> shortly after the last of his less-than-congenial posts...

Good! Shoot down Olds, will ya?! That'll teach 'em!

BTW-Thanks everybody for taking my side! It's good to know that there is
some kind of common bond or brotherhood (sisterhood) between all of us.

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 11:46:58 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: need tire reccomendation

PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> 
> I have a set of "LTD" whitewalls on my '72 cutlass and they suck!
> They squeal while making U-turns, and they make squeaking sounds if you
> round a corner at any speed faster than a 90-year-old would take it.
> Worse yet, burnouts sound like slipping alternator belts.  Can anyone
> reccomend some good tires for 14x7 rims that don't cost too much?

Well, if you're lookin for radials, go with Firestone Firehawk SS10's.
They are relatively inexpensive (about $80 ea. on the rim) and they have
good treadwear.

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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 12:00:29 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Neat Olds' 4 Sale

In Toledo, Ohio area.
Usual disclaimer-type deal:

'79 Hurst Olds- runs great, very restorable! $1500 (419) 893-0726

Olds '73 98 2Dr, runs good, restorable. 350 V-8 $1000 (419) 241-7559

Olds 72 Cutlass, 350 Auto, Air, Completely restored, Mint Condition,
Must see, $3995, (419) 893-0675  <---not a typo!!??
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