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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 31 1997       Volume 01 : Number 930



Off List
Re: What to do?
Re: What to do?
70 Cutlass rear bumper with cutouts
Oldsmobile Accounting People?
Rejoined the 20th Century
Re: When was your W-30 built ?
Re: No Comment on cool brake tricks?
Re: Split Fire
Re: Split Fire
Re: Split Fire
Extrude Hone...
Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: Split Fire
Re: 1973 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Station Wagons
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: Split Fire
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: Split Fire
Re[2]: What to do?
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme
My 66 Toro
Re: What induction?
Re: Split Fire
the Quad 442
W25 hood latches
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Split Fire
Tire rod failure
power seats
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Dallas info needed
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: power seats
Re: My Merry Oldsmobile
Re: Olds in local salvage yard
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: Rejoined the 20th Century
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Halloween Parade duty
digital dash
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Halloween Parade duty..spooky huh?
UNBOUNCE: Re: Holley Carb.
Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk
Re: '66 Toro standard or deluxe?
Re: Split Fire
Re: Joe...What to do?
Re: Split Fire
car but not Olds related
Re: 200-4R depression

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:58:40 -0500 (EST)
From: SRDIET@aol.com
Subject: Off List

To everyone on the list,

   I'm sorry to say I am getting off the list for a while.  This could be a
long while.
I am changing jobs and expect that I will no longer have that much free time.

  Thanks to everyone for their help with my questions and problems and I have
enjoyed reading and responding to the list.

  Hope to be back soon.

  If not I will see some of you at future events and will be @ Springfield in
July 98.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 18:59:52 -0800
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: What to do?

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> padavano.joe wrote:
> >
> > Yep.  Just showing my ignorance about any Olds built after 1972.
> >(As a side note, I saw a 72 Supreme at the Templeton show with a decal
> >in the back window proclaiming:
> >
> >"It's true Olds built cars after 1972, but who the h*ll cares?"
> >
> >Couldn't have said it better myself :-)
> >
> >Joe
>
> Well...based upon the recent number of numerous inquires lately, I'd say
> that there are a lot of people out there who care about late model
> Olds...Now I'm not trying to start a war, just wanna make the point that
> some of us do not have the resources to get a '70 W30, so we go for the
> next best thing an 80's CS with a 350 or so in it....its not a classic,
> but its keeping the tradition alive...I love the 60's-70's era muscle
> car as much as the next guy, but ain't go the moola man...
> Can't we all just...get along...
>
> John
> '86 Cutlass Supreme
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com


well John.....at least you have your sights set....now your mission if
should decide to accept..is to buy your dream machine....Hoagie

"drop the top...and rattle the pipes!!"

1970 cutlass SX convertible
1971 442 W-30 convertible
1971 442 holiday coupe

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:42:24 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: What to do?

>"It's true Olds built cars after 1972, but who the h*ll cares?"
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself :-)

Well, I love my Cutlass (even though it's a small-block!) but I have a
lot of respect for the later models too. Despite the little niggly
problems I've had with my '78 those late-70s full-sizers are great cars.
Not a muscle car obviously but they do a lot of things very well and are
great drivers. Olds didn't completely fall off the cliff until '88 or so
IMHO...

Anyone see that ad in JWO for the '76 98 Regency coupe? $2750 and sounds
great. Almost makes me want to fly to Florida and drive it home. And
there is a '77 Indy Pace Car Delta coupe for sale in there too which I'd
love to have. Don't be so hard on those '70s cars. Different strokes...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:44:12 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: 70 Cutlass rear bumper with cutouts

core type bumper. Is useable, but has dent in it and all lenses/lights.
Make me an offer and pay for shipping> I haven't seen it yet, but will
this weekend. I am told that there is no rust and is really nice.

Rob

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:47:20 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile Accounting People?

I was wondering if any other people on the list are in the accounting
profession.  I am currently evaluating new computer tax packages and was
curious what other people are using in their practices.  I am also
converting from Mac to IBM on client writeup work and would like the
same kind of information.  I would appreciate it if you would email me
direct to save band width on the list.  Thank you in advance for any
responses.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 19:47:06 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Rejoined the 20th Century

Hi folks,
              My internet provider got fried during a thunderstorm last
Friday, so I got bounced from the list.  (They finally got us back on line
Wednesday the 29th.)  If anyone has tried to contact me about the Lansing
video, (or anything else) please re-send it, 'cause I didn't see it.  Thanks.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 20:45:20 EST
From: Dan442Olds <Dan442Olds@aol.com>
Subject: Re: When was your W-30 built ?

In a message dated 97-10-27 09:35:53 EST, you write:

<< I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members'
 '70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ? >>

12A  First week of December, 1969.

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:48:32 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: No Comment on cool brake tricks?

>Hey!
>
>Didn't anybody care that I mounted the see through reservoir from a Fiero
>on the 79 Toro master cylinder in my 98? Can't beat a modern brake system
>on a big old car.
>

[SNIP]

Filed it away!!! (Along with all your other Mods!) (I have quite a few
filed now, and my '65 98 is starting to get jealous...)




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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:40:24 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I use splitfires in my 91 Acclaim  and have excellent results from them.
It's been well over three years since they were installed and I get a lot
of power from that 4 cyl. I've been accused of having a V-6 in it! A
friend of mine in Va Beach uses them in his Cutlass and he swears by
them. I recently saw an ad for them in HR magazine for $3.99 or so. A LOT
cheaper than they cost six months ago. The only reason I don't use them
in my Cutlass is that money is going for other things more important than
a 10% increase in HP. If you can afford them, get them, if not, AC Delco
works really well with MSD ignition and an accel high output coil.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN
PS: I've never had anything but problems with Champion plugs after a
month or so

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997 07:49:39 -0500 Joseph Gambaccini
<jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us> writes:
>Have any of you all tried those "splitfire" spark plugs (or any other
>brand that have the same claim) that supposedly increase horsepower???
>
>'Not worth the extra money, right?
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:33:59 EST
From: Olds307Y <Olds307Y@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Splitfires suck they really arent worth the money they foul out to quicky
under a accel super hei coil I went back to using AC-DELCO PNª R46SX gapped at
.060 instead of the standard .080 it gives a slight boost in pick up it's
enough to notice.

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:37:21 EST
From: Olds307Y <Olds307Y@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Also i have a 83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with the F41 ride and y307 it has
150,000 miles on it and still kills rustang 5.slows. i eve ncould boast that i
have ran a couple of  350 gold motor the oly got a chance to see the
driverside of my car and the tail lights as i pealed off. The 307 is a great
engine the minute you get rid of the computer .

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 97 22:16:48 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Extrude Hone...

For the curious, here are the costs that were quoted to me using the
Extrude-Hone abrasive machining technology:

>$500.00 for the exhaust manifolds
>$365.00 for the intake manifold
>$995.00 for the cast iron heads
>$750.00 for aluminum heads.

Extrude Hone mentioned that they can gasket match the heads and do any
handwork you want before processing the heads.

Extrude Hone's phone is 1-800-613-1065. This information came from Rick
Miller, Customer Representative at Extrude Hone.



Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:40:04 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme

In a message dated 97-10-30 14:16:38 EST, you write:

<< >
 > Would anyone have any ideas on what could be causing a loud ratlle and
 > squeak in the rear end when riding on a rough road in a 1984 Olds
 > Cutlass Supreme Brougham?  It is a V8, rear wheel drive car.  The
 > muffler has been checked.

 I'd first check all the suspension pieces.  Maybe one of the bushings is
 gone and you have metal-to-metal contact.  Also, maybe your gas tank is
 loose and is banging around??  Hope this helps...
 _ >>

Try a loose shock mount bolt, then check suspension bushings, etc...
(the shocks on my Cavalier will squeak when going over bumps, etc, and what
happens is when the shock is older, the shock bolt (lower mounting point,
similar to on the Cutlass) seems to wear, and be loose, I replace with a new
one, and it goes away...)

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:37:21 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

>>>Have any of you all tried those "splitfire" spark plugs (or any other
>>
>I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they
claimed to
>do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
OK, not to get epistemological or anything, but if you didn't notice an
increase in horsepower, then why do you think there was an increase in
horsepower?

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:37:12 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 1973 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Station Wagons

>G'day Olds fans!!!

Welcome to the International Oldsmobile List!

>My name is Glen and I am writing to you all the way from Sydney,
>Australia. Oldsmobiles are very rare cars out here - in fact, there are
>hardly any at all! The same goes for Buicks, Cadillacs, Chevrolets,
>Pontiacs, etc. I actually own a Buick myself (1973 Buick Electra

I've got a friend in Sydney who sends me some of your local magazines; lots
of Falcon and Holden interest, and he's into the Valiants, but it's always
interesting to see our "yank tanks" being collected and restored or modified
over there. BTW, Australian car magazines are of a much higher quality than
US magazines. Great bunch of car nuts there!

>weird or anything but the Olds that I would love to own is a 1973
>Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Station Wagon. Man, those wagons are totally

The parents of one of my girlfriends in high-school had one of those; they
were so common and unloved, that this wagon was just towed off to the
crusher without a second thought when they replaced it with a (yuck!) Camry...

Now, the only place you see those cars is in demolition derbies...

>had those 'wooden' side panels. Under the bonnet (or hood as you guys
>call it!!) was a 454ci V8 which had just been re-conditioned.

The 454 would be a Chevy motor, which would have to be a transplant; the 455
Olds motor was the standard equipmet on that car.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:37:18 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

>small block...and supposedly a big block (400, 425, 455, et al).  I was
>thinking of hopping up my Cutlass after school, too (graduation date:
>Spring 2000...yep, I'm a young'un).  However, I've decided to keep it
>stock, for a number of reasons. [snip]  C) There is too
>much room for error.  An auto manufacturer (namely, Oldsmobile) has
>resources (money) that individuals just don't have.  They can afford to
>spend months testing various combinations of engines, transmissions, etc.

Ideally, yes, but not to shatter your illusion, Olds, and GM in general,
doesn't (or didn't) do a whole lot of new engineering for each of its
models. Take, for instance, the Olds 350 automatic-transmission camshaft:
same specs, same part number, from its introduction in 1968 all the way
through its production life, until 1980. Now tell me, do you honestly
believe that they stuck with that cam because it was the optimal camshaft
for every application it was installed in, from the '70 Rallye 350, through
the EGR-equipped '76 Delta 88 sedan, through the fuel-injected Caddy
Seville, through the FWD downsized '79 Toronado, through the '80 442?

>True, they must hold a compromise between performance and cost, but I
>believe that, for the most part, it works well.  If I want to go fast, I'll

In many cases, the manufacturer went with whichever part the engineering
costs were already paid off on, as long as it worked well-enough. Very
rarely is a part there because it is the best part for the application.

>get a fast car (442, Camaro, Trans-Am, etc.); I won't spend lots of money
>ripping out all the components that came on the car and that still work
>fine.  In my opinion, if you do that, you might as well part-out the car.

Most choices of components are compromises; I see modifications as a way of
undoing these compromises, and building the car as if the factory were
building it for me! Plus, I like going fast in a car that was never designed
to do so (and that most people don't expect to...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:37:15 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

>I just bought a 1985 Cutlass Supreme dirt cheap, and I need help deciding
 [snip]
>The car currently has the original 3.8 A engine under the hood.  If this
>engine lasts until I finish college in the spring of 1999, I'd like to
>replace it with a V8.  In my area, we don't have any emissions
 [snip]
>any '77 to '81 V8-powered Cutlass to do this.  A friend recently told me I
>could have anything I wanted from his '78 for free.  I don't really want
>the engine (a 260), but would the accessories work on a 350 or a 403?

Yes, get all the wiring (unbolt the whole harness), brackets, and especially
the frame and motor mounts. Oh, also the fan shroud, battery tray, misc.
screws and bolts, anything you can grab. You can't believe how handy those
will become.

>I also have some questions regarding the 403 engine.  What cars are they
>common in?

Wow. Any '77-'79 full-size Buick/Olds/Pontiac, but especially the top-line
models (Electra,98,Bonneville) would be equipped with these motors. Oh, it
was also the standard Trans-Am motor from '77-'79 as well. And the '77-'78
Toronado.

>Is there any year/model of this engine that is better than
>another?

Aside from the '77 Toro motor, they've all got the same manifolds, cams,
compression, valves, etc. They're all the same. Don't hold your breath for a
solid-main web engine...

>Finally, are there any drawbacks to rebuilding and hopping up
>this engine?

Decreased tread life of rear tires (only the right-side, though, if you
don't have posi... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:11:49 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

> Most choices of components are compromises; I see modifications as a way of
> undoing these compromises, and building the car as if the factory were
> building it for me! Plus, I like going fast in a car that was never designed
> to do so (and that most people don't expect to...).
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Namely the police and insurance companies. :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:54:03 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >>>Have any of you all tried those "splitfire" spark plugs (or any other
> >>
> >I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they
> claimed to
> >do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> OK, not to get epistemological or anything, but if you didn't notice an
> increase in horsepower, then why do you think there was an increase in
> horsepower?

It's nice to think that they're doing *some* good...that way you don't
have to admit to yourself that you wasted your money!

I've never tried Splitfire's in my car, but I've tried them in my sled
(which it fouled), my four-wheeler (in which it blew a piston!)  Since
my luck is 0/2 with Splitfire, I figure I'd be further ahead to pour
sand in the cylinders...

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:59:44 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

In a message dated 97-10-30 22:47:19 EST, you write:

<<
 >get a fast car (442, Camaro, Trans-Am, etc.); I won't spend lots of money
 >ripping out all the components that came on the car and that still work
 >fine.  In my opinion, if you do that, you might as well part-out the car.

 Most choices of components are compromises; I see modifications as a way of
 undoing these compromises, and building the car as if the factory were
 building it for me! Plus, I like going fast in a car that was never designed
 to do so (and that most people don't expect to...).
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  >>

One thing you didn't mention...  it's also nice to go fast in a big
comfortable car, that still has some room left in it for other things
(besides just you...unlike 2 of the cars listed above...).  Yep, the cars you
listed above are pretty fast, but there's nothing wrong with a '80 Cutlass
with a 350/403/425/455 in it.  My '81 with the 350 in it has shagged down
quite a few cars that I've "spotted" a head start to, including an early 90's
Firebird, but that was using the 2.29's in the rear (not great for
take-offs), but with the torque of the Olds motor to give a decent launch,
acceleration I'd catch 'em in no time (by say..  60 mph...:-)

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:57:03 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

> Most choices of components are compromises; I see modifications as a way of
> undoing these compromises, and building the car as if the factory were
> building it for me! Plus, I like going fast in a car that was never designed
> to do so (and that most people don't expect to...).

Now you know why I drive a Delta...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:01:18 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Olds307Y wrote:

> Also i have a 83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with the F41 ride and y307 it has
> 150,000 miles on it and still kills rustang 5.slows. i eve ncould boast that 
i
> have ran a couple of  350 gold motor the oly got a chance to see the
> driverside of my car and the tail lights as i pealed off. The 307 is a great
> engine the minute you get rid of the computer .
>
YES!  Computers are not for cars, damn it!
Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 00:06:42 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: What to do?

padavano.joe wrote:

     ..."It's true Olds built cars after 1972, but who the h*ll cares?"

Don Sowers wrote:

Joe,
I hope you realize wars have started over less inflamable statements
than that one...

     Yep.  Other than that tripower 403 scare, things have been pretty
     quiet around here, so I figured it was time to stir things up a
     little.

I do agree the 64-72 cars are my favorites from almost every
manufacturer.  But, that is probably a function of my age (turned 16 in
1964) and the fact that new cars came out every year back then.

     Well, I'm sure that's part of it, but I turned 16 in 1974 and I
     don't particularly care for the 74-82 cars.  Of course, I think it
     is pretty universally held that the mid-70s was an automotive
     wasteland:  "colonnade" roofs...opera windows...5 mph bumpers...
     EGR...4 cylinder Mustangs IIs...180 hp Corvettes...the "last" Caddy
     convertible...screaming chicken TransAms...the Pacer ('nuf said).
     I don't suppose it's a coincidence that this corresponds to the
     disco period...

     Face it, the 64-72 cars _were_ the zenith.

     (To avoid any further bloodshed, and to take myself out of the
     running for the Chris Witt memorial statesmanship award, I _do_
     want to point out that the preceding is said with tongue at least
     partially in cheek.)

     (Yes, I will admit that today's cars are pretty darn good.  The
     problem is that the selection of good-looking, tire-burning
     performance cars is very limited, and those that can approach
     classic musclecar performance (Vette and Viper)[...there..._that_
     should get the F-body crowd spun up] are pretty pricey.  They _are_
     good, balanced all-around packages, however.)

Today's kids don't realize how big a deal it used to be to catch the
first glimpse of the new models.

     Boy, that's the truth.  Gone are the ritual trips past the
     dealership just before the new model year to try and uncover the
     new models hidden in the back of the lot.

The only cars that looked basically the same was VW.  Now the
manufaturers stay with the same basic vehicles for several years to
spread retooling costs out.  (For example, the Lincoln Mark VII had the
same basic shape from 1984 to 1992.)

     Something about the appearance of spending the effort on
     engineering steak rather than styling sizzle...

In the sixties, any factory exec that tried that would have been on the
unemployment line in a hurry.  So, yes Joe, I like this era cars best
also.  But, I'm getting into my foxhole and pulling in the opening until
the shooting stops so stray bullets don't hit me, too.

     I don't know, Don.  We dinosaurs need to stick together, lest the
     late model crowd sic their high-strung yappy little dog four
     cylinder motors on us...yah, I believe a Quad442 will beat a 67
     442.

     (How'm I doing?  Think they're spun up yet?)

     (INCOMING!!!)

Note to John, who wrote:

..Now I'm not trying to start a war, just wanna make the point that
some of us do not have the resources to get a '70 W30, so we go for the
next best thing an 80's CS with a 350 or so in it...
Can't we all just...get along...

     John,

     I hope you took this in the spirit of fun in which it was intended.
     I can certainly appreciate a nice car of any vintage as much as the
     next person.  It wasn't even my car that had the decal in the
     window (I _did_ find it amusing that someone else shares my strong
     biases, however...unfortunately, I never _did_ find out where the
     owner got the decal.)   ;-)

     Joe (the arsonist) Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:16:05 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

> Aside from the '77 Toro motor, they've all got the same manifolds, cams,
> compression, valves, etc. They're all the same. Don't hold your breath for a
> solid-main web engine...

Was the '77 Toro a solid-main web motor?  Most (if not all) others (260,
350, 403) are open-web, right?  Are most Ch*vy engines open-web as well?

The solid-main blocks can stand up to more punishment, right?  Is this
what most racing engines use?  I've always wondered how stock cars can
run SB V8's up to 9500rpm, and not be sweeping up pieces with a
dustpan...

I know this originally wasn't my question, but I'm just curious...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:19:09 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

Robert Barry wrote:

> >Finally, are there any drawbacks to rebuilding and hopping up
> >this engine?
>
> Decreased tread life of rear tires (only the right-side, though, if you
> don't have posi... ;)

Here's one drawback you forgot to mention;  you'll have to wait for
everybody who drives a Monte Crapola or a 5.slow Rustang!

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 13:53:49 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

Andrew A. Senko wrote:
>
> To which Bonnie replied "That's ok.  I'm originally from LANSING MICHIGAN."
> What car do you think she preferred to ride in?  Yep!  The Olds!  I told

I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 12:54:17 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme

I'd first check the suspension back there for anything loose, then if that
doesn't do it, try checking the trunk.  Sometimes the trunk spring rods
will rattle around (they have some foam sleeves on them that tend to slide
around), or the jack could be loose, or the trunk lid might not be seating
squarely (there are rubber bumpers on the corners that you can screw up
and down, you want them just to touch the lid).

Is the car really rusty?  I shudder to think of it, but perhaps you've got
the dreaded frame rot and your frame is broken back there.

Ahrens, Paul wrote:

> Would anyone have any ideas on what could be causing a loud ratlle and
> squeak in the rear end when riding on a rough road in a 1984 Olds
> Cutlass Supreme Brougham?  It is a V8, rear wheel drive car.  The
> muffler has been checked.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.

 --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 17:50:44 -0800
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: My 66 Toro

Jono Kohan wrote:

I just purchase a 1966 Toronado Deluxe Burgandy Poly Mist with 97,000
original miles on it.  I love it.  It drives great.  I would like to get
info. and correspondence with other 66 Toro owner.

See the below URL for information on the Toro list.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:33:09 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: What induction?

Greg Pruett wrote:
>
>
> > Also I'm thinking the Holley electric hipressure fuel pump would probably
> > be kind of loud. Would it be possible to _safely_ fabricate a fuel pump for
> > the FI system they lives in the gas tank like the new cars and still have
> > the fuel guage work? I'm guessing it might be possible to retain the
> > sending unit and combine it with the  pump from a modern FI vehicle. Dumb?

Not at all, When I had my (Sorry about the non Olds content) 79 Pinto
powered by an 86 Mustang SVO turbo 2.3 I had my friends dad weld in the
late model Mustang flange on a new gas tank so I could run the single
high pressure pump in the tank, the stock sender worked fine, you should
be able to do this on a Olds tank seeing that it is probably twice the
size!! ;-) Before this setup the car used the stock external high
pressure pump from an 84 Mustang SVO with a Holley red pump to feed it,
this setup was REALLY loud, however all the noise came from the Holley
pump, the high pressure pump had an insulated bracket with rubber
grommets (real quiet), I think the new Holley setups uses a similar high
pressure pump?????

>

> The little auxilliary tank also solves another problem:  You neeed a
> baffled fuel tank with fuel injection.  The problem is that when you hit
> the brakes with anything less than say 1/4 tank of gas, the gas tends to
> slosh back and forth.  Since the fuel pump for an EFI system is moving
> so much gas so fast to keep the pressure high, it can start sucking air
> as the gas sloshes away from the fuel pickup.  That will stall the
> engine due to loss of pressure, and it will greatly shorten the life of
> the fuel pump since they will burn up very quickly when run dry.  Cars
> that come stock with EFI have baffles in the tank around the fuel pickup
> to it from being starved of gas.  I doubt your 66 has any baffles in it
> since a carb fuel system doesn't really need them.  If you use EFI, you
> could just keep more than 1/4 tank of gas at all times, but that could
> be a pain since your range on a tank of gas will be cut 25%.  Putting
> baffles in your gas tank is likely out of the question since it would
> probably require cutting and welding, and there aren't many people who
> will weld a gas tank.  The auxilliary tank should take care of the
> sloshing problem since it would stay full from being constantly topped
> off with the low pressure fuel pump.

Ummmm this I have to disagree with, on the Pinto the stock tank was not
baffled and I never had any problems, I used to run the car at the
dragway with a 1/4 tank of gas and never ran the pump dry, even with
slicks running late 13's. However a few times when I came close to
running out of gas the motor did hesitate, especially around turns or on
inclines ;-) however it never stalled out.

As far as "burning up" the pump I don't see how you would could run the
pump dry???? On Ford EFI systems the fuel pump will not run if the
engine is not running, the pump will pressurize the line but it will
kick off once it realizes the car is not running, likewise if you run
the car out of gas the pump will shut off......I would think the late
model GM and aftermarket systems would work in a similar way?????

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:33:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Split Fire

In a message dated 97-10-30 22:46:16 EST, you write:

<< >>>Have any of you all tried those "splitfire" spark plugs (or any other
 >>
 >I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they
 claimed to
 >do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.
                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>

I will not use Splitfires...I have tried them and found no improvement in
performance or mileage and have also found a short life involved in these
plugs compared to my favorites...AC Delco's

Now thats the Olds'es...the T Type Buick we have had Splitfires in it when
we bought it, previous owner thinking he had done something good, and
when I mentioned this on the GN list people yelled "Oh God, get 'em out
of there NOW!!!!"   "AC"   "AC"   "AC"   So I did and I actually not only
noticed
but FELT a difference....so my for S*itfires......TIM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:36:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: the Quad 442

Well, I got to look at the Quad 442 the other day....
NOT W41, might be W40. It's a 1990...

Long list of codes on the sticker in the trunk, W40 being the last one. Nice
wheels, aluminum, Olds ID. Car has been repainted [hides a multitude of sins?]

I saw rustholes thru to the carpet in the rear wheel well. Car looks good at
first glance. Well maintained, but 151,000 miles. Looks to be original radiator
hoses, kinda cracked.

They're asking $3000, so I won't be buying it anytime soon.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:38:48 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W25 hood latches

>W25 hood locks, both for $6 [where's that guy a-lookin' fer these?]
>810.227.3086, MI

Where can I get a hold of these guys to inquire about those hood locks? I
want them.
Shayne Horn
====================

Uh, at that phone number up there, I'd guess...

Sorry if the dots disguised it too much: 810-227-3086, how's that?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:40:35 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

Dustin Cross wrote:

> Andrew A. Senko wrote:
> >
> > To which Bonnie replied "That's ok.  I'm originally from LANSING MICHIGAN."
> > What car do you think she preferred to ride in?  Yep!  The Olds!

> I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!

Really?  I'd rather be *dragged* by an Olds, than ride in a F*rd!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 23:52:16 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Olds307Y wrote:
>
> Also i have a 83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with the F41 ride and y307 it has
> 150,000 miles on it and still kills rustang 5.slows. i eve ncould boast that 
i
> have ran a couple of  350 gold motor the oly got a chance to see the
> driverside of my car and the tail lights as i pealed off. The 307 is a great
> engine the minute you get rid of the computer .

Hmmm.... are you serious?????? I have raced a couple of 307 powered cars
and they are not that quick, although I never got a chance to talk to
the owners I am guessing they were stock??? This summer I raced a 86 or
87 442 at the dragway with with my recently sold 93 rustang 5.slow ;-)
and I beat him buy a full 1.2 seconds and 8mph at the track. I also used
to street race my Olds (when I was young and stupid in the late 80's)
with its original 350 and had no trouble with these cars when they were
new, although it was usually a pretty close race..... I would be
interested to see some timeslips from your car, I just don't see a 350
powered Olds or a 5.0 Mustang getting its A** kicked by a 150k mile
307....

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:07:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Tire rod failure

My tire rod fell out when I was driving last weekend. Luckily I was able
to park the car and call a towtruck easily. I was wondering what could
have caused this to happen and what I should expect to pay to have it
fixed. Thank you.
Patrick
'68 Cutlass Supreme
=============

Tie rod, maybe? Fell apart probably because it was worn out. Assuming the
shperical joint itself actually separated.

Buy a new one, about $15-25 probably. The tough part: mitaswell... do the other
one too, it it's at all loose. mitaswell get an alignment, then... Are them
suspension rubber OK? heck, mitaswell get a bigger stabilizer while all that
stuff's out of there...
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:58:39 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: power seats

Let's say I have two driver's side bucket seats from 87 Cutli, both of
which are power.  Is it possible to just turn the motor around on the
bottom of the seat and perhaps reposition the switches, so I would then
have a driver's side AND a passenger's side power seat?
Was this not an option, to have a passenger power seat?  I've seen that in
other 80's cars, but the ultra luxo-cars etc.

p.s.  My dad ordered his 80 Riviera specifically with an Olds 350, because
he realizes how much cooler that made the car.
(Irrelevant)

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:14:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

In a message dated 97-10-31 00:06:17 EST, you write:

<< > > To which Bonnie replied "That's ok.  I'm originally from LANSING
MICHIGAN."
 > > What car do you think she preferred to ride in?  Yep!  The Olds!

 > I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!

 Really?  I'd rather be *dragged* by an Olds, than ride in a F*rd! >>

How about this one.......................
   "I'd rather be run over by an Olds , than  picked by a Ford.......IN A
BLIZZARD!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:23:23 EST
From: Mikey tvb <Mikeytvb@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

if i were you i would buy it.  even if you don't ever use it, you should
rebuild it and maybe sell it.  i am pretty sure that it won't fit on a stock
manifold.  the only holley that does is a q-jet type with the smaller bolt
pattern.  a factory built quadrajet is a better carb because it's bigger and
you don't have to worry about other things like choke, throttle linkage, and
vacuum ports.

mikey tvb@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:27:06 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

>>>I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!
>>>I'd rather be *dragged* by an Olds, than ride in a F*rd!
>>>I'd rather be run over by an Olds , than  picked by a Ford....IN A
BLIZZARD!!!

Or, I'd rather be run over by an a fleet of Oldsmobiles on I-75, than
*spell* the word F*rd!

I'd rather be the subject of numerous Medieval tortures, than turn a
wrench on a Ford.

Just remember...if Ford knew how to build an automobile, Snap-On would
go out of business!

I bought a Ford to watch it rust...

My Ford keeps my tools from rusting!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 01:43:15 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Dallas info needed

     This is primarily non-Olds, so I apologize in advance.  Please reply
     directly to me to avoid further waste of bandwidth.

     I'm considering taking a job in the Dallas area (actually north of
     Dallas in Frisco) and need some info from list members from the area.
     I've only lived on the East Coast and in California up until now; in
     fact, the only time I've ever been to Dallas (other than connecting
     through DFW) was for the job interview.

     I'd appreciate any info on good places to live, what the climate is
     like, how is the cost of living, how are the schools (kids 14, 13, and
     10).  I'd also like some info on the important stuff, namely what are
     the car safety/emissions inspection requirements, how expensive is
     registration, are there drag strips in the area, how are the wrecking
     yards, is there an active OCA chapter, and where/when is cruise night?

     Thanks in advance, and again, please respond privately.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 22:55:07 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

>if i were you i would buy it.  even if you don't ever use it, you should
>rebuild it and maybe sell it.  i am pretty sure that it won't fit on a stock
>manifold.  the only holley that does is a q-jet type with the smaller bolt
>pattern.  a factory built quadrajet is a better carb because it's bigger and
>you don't have to worry about other things like choke, throttle linkage, and
>vacuum ports.
>
>mikey tvb@aol.com
>

What kind of manifold would I need on a 350 Rocket to fit the Holley
Carb.?(BTW: it's a 650 Double Pumper, not just a 650).

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye350
1985 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 01:52:37 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: power seats

Let's say I have two driver's side bucket seats from 87 Cutli, both of
which are power.  Is it possible to just turn the motor around on the
bottom of the seat and perhaps reposition the switches, so I would then
have a driver's side AND a passenger's side power seat?

     Why do you have to turn the motor around?  The track doesn't care
     which side of the car it's on and the seats are symmetric (except
     for the seatback release).  Just bolt it down on the passenger side
     of the car.  I suspect all you'd need to do is reposition the
     switches (possibly needing to lengthen the wiring as a result).
     This will require cutting holes in the plastic trim on the seat
     bottom.  The open holes where the switch used to be (on what is now
     defined as the passenger seat) will probably not be visible with a
     console in place.  If you want, simply find a replacement trim piece
     from a non-power seat in a wrecking yard.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:40:26 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: My Merry Oldsmobile

If its the same as a '72 I've got one on my parts car.

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 30 Oct 1997 21:48:51 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in local salvage yard

Any chance there is a standard non-remote driver door mirror on that '66?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:56:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

They make an adaptor plate that is availabe many places (Like AutoZone,
Napa, Advance) fairly cheaply.  It is about 1/2 inch thick and you makes
it fairly easy to bolt the holly up in place of a quadrajet... I don't
think double pumper vs normal is any different as far as the intake goes.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Beverley Horn wrote:

> >if i were you i would buy it.  even if you don't ever use it, you should
> >rebuild it and maybe sell it.  i am pretty sure that it won't fit on a stock
> >manifold.  the only holley that does is a q-jet type with the smaller bolt
> >pattern.  a factory built quadrajet is a better carb because it's bigger and
> >you don't have to worry about other things like choke, throttle linkage, and
> >vacuum ports.
> >
> >mikey tvb@aol.com
> >
>
> What kind of manifold would I need on a 350 Rocket to fit the Holley
> Carb.?(BTW: it's a 650 Double Pumper, not just a 650).
>
> Shayne Horn
> 1970 Rallye350
> 1985 442
>
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:19:32 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rejoined the 20th Century

hi doug,
 I just got back on-line myself, 3 wks down...DO NOT BUY A MAXIMUS COMPUTER
!!!!!!!!! Chevy like perf and cust serv blows!!!!! Im at rcktpwr@aol.com if u
have any news about the video, thanks in advance..
>> Bernie

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 00:27:19 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

> >>>I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!

Snipping of all the cool one-upmanships...  :)

Just remember...  Over 85% of all f*rds are still on the road...




The rest of 'em made it home!!!


:)

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 03:59:31 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

In a message dated 97-10-31 02:34:47 EST, you write:

<< Just remember...  Over 85% of all f*rds are still on the road...
  >>
Dont worry, my 69 Mach 1 isnt offended......still rather tow my ford w/my
olds than drive a ª@!%^&*%$ªª@!!! chevy..................
ps.my damn comp is fixed........
RCKTPWR@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 02:03:39 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: digital dash

I've been fighting with the digital dash in my '89 CS  since I bought it (just
over a year & 1/2)  it would flash and go out occasionaly or not come on when I
started the car  (usually lit up after a couple hard smacks)   I was told by a
couple different GM dealers that it was a common problem and that the cure was
simple; give them my dash and $250-$300, they send the dash off somewhere to
get reconditioned and in 6-8 WEEKS  I'd get a working dash back    I wasnt
going to drop $300 and go without a dash for two months unless I had to so I've
just been smacking the dash (more & more all the time).   then my sisters car
(its an '89 CS too) died  and was going to be parked for awhile  so...  I
snagged the dash out of hers    went to put it in tonight   while pulling mine
out, I got it to flicker & die by wiggling the wireing harness   fiddled around
with it for awhile trying to find a bad wire, no luck so I finally just put it
together with the harness possitioned "just so"   took the car for a drive
(almost 50 miles altogether)  found a few bumps and I never saw the dash
flicker even once!!

hoping it lasts...  'course I'm not out any $$ if it dont

Dustin

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:09:02 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

In a message dated 97-10-31 00:20:03 EST, you write:

<<   "I'd rather be run over by an Olds , than  picked by a Ford.......IN A
 BLIZZARD!!!
  >>
keep up the ford jokes fella's,..I aint sellin my 69 Mach 1......

>>if youd rather push a chevy than drive a ford, dont worry......you WILL !!!
Bernie.3 olds and my stang..........

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 04:12:19 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty..spooky huh?

First On Race Day......lets ee, my 69 mach or my 67 olds.........ooops, im on
the rocket list.......I luv em both......

Bernie.....despise...loathe......Hate............Chevy.blech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 06:32:17 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: Holley Carb.

Bounced, have no idea why... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU.Edu>
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

They make an adaptor plate that is availabe many places (Like AutoZone,
Napa, Advance) fairly cheaply.  It is about 1/2 inch thick and you makes
it fairly easy to bolt the holly up in place of a quadrajet... I don't
think double pumper vs normal is any different as far as the intake goes.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Beverley Horn wrote:

> >if i were you i would buy it.  even if you don't ever use it, you should
> >rebuild it and maybe sell it.  i am pretty sure that it won't fit on a stock
> >manifold.  the only holley that does is a q-jet type with the smaller bolt
> >pattern.  a factory built quadrajet is a better carb because it's bigger and
> >you don't have to worry about other things like choke, throttle linkage, and
> >vacuum ports.
> >
> >mikey tvb@aol.com
> >
>
> What kind of manifold would I need on a 350 Rocket to fit the Holley
> Carb.?(BTW: it's a 650 Double Pumper, not just a 650).
>
> Shayne Horn
> 1970 Rallye350
> 1985 442
>
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:56:54 -0500 (EST)
From: HCoons2818@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk

Peg, try one of the Kitty Litter type products with an oder remover.  My wife
had an old suitcase that smelled very bad that she wanted to use for a room
decoration.  I told her to try charcoal which didn't work too good.  She
tried Kitty Litter - it worked fairly well.

Harold Coons
67  4-4-2

HCoons2818@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:22:50 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: '66 Toro standard or deluxe?

> Minor correction on the shipping prices to Europe. I sent my Dad's car
> there from San Francisco for about $1,400, insurance included.

Excellent price Chris, considering that li'l body of water one has
to cross before reaching Europe;  heck, it wouldn't cost a whole lot less
to ship from SF to here in Boston...

> The downside was when my uncle got the car and drove it into Norway the
> import taxes were roughly four times the US value of the car. This was an
> english ford with a 12 cylinder motor (XJS) so it was worth it to him, but
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, I guess since Ford owns 100% of Jaguar, it's just an English Ford :)
Years ago I read an article in Car & Driver or Road & Track, in which
the author reminisced about when he bought a new, '64 Shelby Cobra 289,
and got away with registering it as a "'64 Ford" as far as insurance went...

> the message is that their government doesn't want people to drive cars that
> nice and will tax the heck out of those who import them.

> Anyway it's not too expensive to ship a car that far, I thought. But boy
> those taxes sure surprised me. Pow, glad I live in 'merica.

True, despite bills that have been brought before state senates around
the country.  Here's hoping that that SB-42 bill, or whatever it's called,
in CA proves to be the start of common sense in state houses vis-a-vis
legislation for antiques and classics!

(Olds content -- Big Red went into winter hibernation last week, and
no one disturbed his slumber last night during 'Cabbage Night')


Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:29:14 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Split Fire

> >I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they
> claimed to
> >do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.
>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doc Bob asks:
> OK, not to get epistemological or anything, but if you didn't notice an
> increase in horsepower, then why do you think there was an increase in
> horsepower?

Ahhh, it must be one of those Mysteries of Faith  :)

Happy All Hallow's Eve!


Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 05:54:45 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Joe...What to do?

Joe,

No harm done, I understand...now, good luck finding your decal...

John

'86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:58:31 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I have a 1970 Olds 350 rocket in my 77 Cutlass, first I switched er
over to HEI, which was good, then went to splitfire's, I noticed at
least a 1/2 second faster 0-60 (thats depending upon conditions and
my tire's, ect) and 2 MPG difference, I definatly think there worth
the money in the long run, especailly if you have a 10:1 compression
ratio and the highest octane you can get is 93. (at least in my area
anyway. :)


> > >I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they
> > claimed to
> > >do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.
> >                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Doc Bob asks:
> > OK, not to get epistemological or anything, but if you didn't notice an
> > increase in horsepower, then why do you think there was an increase in
> > horsepower?
>
> Ahhh, it must be one of those Mysteries of Faith  :)
>
> Happy All Hallow's Eve!
>
>
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:59:59 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: car but not Olds related

Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
weighs 64 lbs!!!  Puts out 120 hp too.  Its big claim to fame appears to be the
fewer parts it uses 400+ as opposed to the 600 in its prior version.  In order
to get the fewer parts and less weight they have rearranged the intake runners
and exhaust manifold and the water pump is part of the block.  Hope that pump
doesn't break, but I guess at 64 lbs you could remove the engine with one
hand.  Amazing.  I would guess this is an extremely reliable engine too, given
Toyota's reputation.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:01:55 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 200-4R depression

Sorry, I missed this conversation, could you either resend the
origianal post or explain what exactly your trying to convert to and
what car? I did a conversion of a 84 Cutlass Calia with a 350 ci,
going from a TH200-4R to a TH-350, perhaps I could help.

> > Damn it.  I had my father call a friend of his who owns a transmission
> > shop to get an estimate on a TH350 to TH200-4R conversion in my 87
> > Cutlass.  The estimate is $1500-2000!  Can this be accurate.
>
> Considering an `87 cutlass could originally be optioned with a 200-4R,
> i'd say that price is a little high.  All the parts needed for the swap
> can be found in a junkyard.
> I hope the price includes rebuiding the transmission and beefing it up
> while he's at it.
>
> > What jacks up the cost is:
> > ->I took the computer out of my car, so I would need a separate switch to
> >   lock up the torque converter.
>
> ...So you just need a toggle switch on the dash that puts 12 volts to
> the lockup torque converter.  You'll need to cut the plug that connects
> to the transmission off of some car in the junkyard that had a 200-4R.
> You turn on the lockup when you hit your desired cruise speed and turn
> it off when you slow down to less than 35 mph.  Total cost in parts:
> $15.
>
> > ->Extra brackerty would need to be fabricated for the carb.
>
> Once again since the 200-4R originally *came* in cars with Rocket V8s,
> you should be able to find a correct throttle cable bracket that would
> fit your 403.  A modified TH-350 kickdown cable brakcet might do the
> trick too.
>
> > ->Cut and balance driveshaft. <- Is this necessary for 350-2004R swap?!!
>
> I'm not sure if that's neccesary.  The 200-4R is very close to the
> legnth of a TH-350,(can't remember the exat legnths and I don't have the
> info handy) so if you already have a TH-350 behind that 403, you
> probably don't need any driveshaft modification.  Even if you did you
> should be able to find the driveshaft out of a cutlass that originally
> came with the 200-4R and use it. If for some reason you do have to
> modify your driveshaft, it shouldn't cost much more than $150.
>
>
> > I would not want to have any trans. work done by anyone but him, but if I
> > spend that much money, I won't even be able to afford a shifter for the
> > transmission!
>
> As Dr. Bob said, your original shifter might work with a little
> tinkering.
>
> > My main question is, what can I do about not having the computer in my
> > car.
>
> Don't worry about it, you don't need the computer.  Lockup control is
> the only tranny function handled by the computer.
>
> >  What are the
> > advantages/disadvantages of having a non-lockup or a lockup?
>
> The lockup saves you some mileage by cutting down engine RPM by a few
> hundered at cruise. It's supposed to be worth 1mpg or so.  It also helps
> the tranny run a little cooler.
>
> > Also, if anyone knows of someone who'll do the actual swap cheaper and is
> > GOOD, please let me know.
>
> You can do it yourself if you have some basic tools,a good jack, and an
> extra weekend.  It would be an unbolt-rebolt procedure if you can swipe
> all of the parts you need off of a junker.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
> `80 Cutlass Calais
>

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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