
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, December 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 997



Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed
403 locations
(youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
(Fwd) Re: 85 442 Value
Re: sounds
Re: sounds
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
455 intakes
UNBOUNCE: Car for Sale
ADMIN: Mail Format
Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!)
Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed
Re: Wheel grease
Newer car...new problems...
Re: runaway engine
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
455 intakes
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
neat site tonight
Re: sounds
Re: ADMIN: Mail Format
Big block vs. Small block
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: Newer car...new problems...
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Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: runaway engine
Re: Newer car...new problems...
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Re: sounds
Re: Newer car...new problems...
Re: Centennial celebration plaque
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: sounds
67 Cutlass Supreme pic
Re: Xmas
Re[2]: sounds (Primus)
test
Re: door alignment
Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Duals on a Computer V8
Re: sounds
Re: sounds (Primus)
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Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds
Re: door alignment
Re: sounds (Primus)
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Re: sounds
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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:38:25 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed

BIG JERMES wrote:
> 
> i doubt this will help me out any, but ill give it a try.  i need to find a
> rearend out of a 86-88 442 for my '78 cutlass.  im getting an overdrive and i
> want the 3.73 gears and 8 1/2" case.  all the other cutlasses and regals have
> 7 1/2" rearends, as well as '85 and older 442s.  the montecarlo ss also has
> the rearend i want with the 3.73 gears.  the grand national buick had the rear
> but with 3.42 gears.  i live in south carolina and it would give me a nice
> grin to find out someone can help me out!!

Ok...  Got GOOD news for ya then!!!

I live in Charleston SC, and there's a Bone Yard in my area that's got
Two SS's there, one front end total, and one side total, both have the
rear ends...  The place is cool on pricing too!!!

I don't have the number handy, but 411 will...  It's called Auto Salavge
in Summerville South Carolina...  It's off of Royal Road.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 17:03:58 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: 403 locations

I am intested in putting a 403 in my 82 G body Cutlass.  I have heard 
these cars contain them and should bolt in (except I might need a V6 
to V8 bolt plate, since I currently have a V6).  Is this correct?
77-79 Trans Ams
77-79 Ninety Eights
77-79 Eighty Eights
77-79 Toronados
77-79 Pontiac Bonnevilles
77-79 Buick Electras
77-79 Buick LeSabres
77-79 Custom Crusier Wagon

Also, what tranny came with the 403?  I have the TH200 and would need 
to replace the tranny too, and was wondering if I could just take the 
whole package.
Thanks, 
Joe

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:06:27 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

AEROTECH wrote:
>
> Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket
> 91. you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days,
> but the truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars,
> and their styling. 

Wanna bet?! I'm 17. I hate pretty much any new car!

>they just see them as big boats. Someday all those

Yeah, stupid, ignorant kids who just see a car as something with four
wheels and a steering wheel and gas pedal. Kids who actually appreciate
cars love the classics. I hate the '83 Craprice I have to drive now that
I'm dismantling my Cutlass. That car should be the one dubbed "Nutless".

> restored and clssic cars everyone has will be gone just as we will
> passed on or sold to another generation who has no compassion for this
> stuff. you guys know what i mean. where do you see you
> showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some boneyard or what?

Hell no! I'll be buried in my car! And I'll be d*mned if I'm gonna let
the government take it away from me before that! In fact, I'm just going
to go out and buy every gas guzzling, smog making, eardrum exploding,
900hp "old boat" muscle car I can find and whip donuts in the director
of the EPA'a yard!!!!

Whew,
<resume quiet child mode>
- -- 
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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:08:02 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: 85 442 Value

Sure you don't want any change back??? :) Kelly blue book is still 
$3,600.00, he's asking $2,500.00, I'm saying its mine by next week. 


> 
> Mike,
> This car is worth fourteen dollars.  Please sell it to me.  I'll even give
> twenty dollars for it.  There is no way you'd get more than that, so you
> might as well just sell it to me!
> 
> Ray in the desert
> 87 409 Cutlass
> 
> 
> On Wed, 3 Dec 1997, Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> 
> > Hello, I know a guy who has an 85 442 with a 455 in it, not to sure 
> > on the miles, but I know it runs good and body is in really good 
> > shape other than a little surface bubble here and there, it has a 
> > factory sunroof, TH-400, other goodies, the 455 isn't factory of 
> > couse, but, I was curious what the value on this car might be?
> > 
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> > Highland Community College
> > Phone (815) 235-6121
> > Fax (815) 235-6130
> > Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
> > Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
> > 
>  
> 
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:11:54 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

> I would envision the song mentioning the year of the car, and that can be a
> whole new can of worms on this list.  What year 442 should the song be
> about?  As I see it, it would have to be 60's or very early 70's.  Back in
> the days when a teenager actually could save their pennies and buy a new car.

Well, if there's a vote, I would vote to honor the car that started all
the hooplah in Oldsmobile's modern musclecar stables, the '64 442.
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:27:26 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

> > Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket 91.
> 
> Here we go again...  (Sigh)
> 
Well, we all have our preferences.  I think many of us "new agers" and
"old dinosaurs" should put aside the petty squabbling about something
that amounts to nothing, and just appreciate the fact that we LOVE our
Oldsmobiles, regardless of the number of doors, cylinders, etc.  I don't
know about the rest of you, but I look on my Oldsmobiles as something
like having kids.  I love them dearly, I will defend and protect them, I
occasionally swear at them when they won't behave, they're always
needing attention, taking a truckload of money if you have to take them
to the "doctor", but most but not least, I'm very proud of them.  Rusty
or broken, they're still MY kids.
- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 17:58:32 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

ok it's like this, compare the number of hot rods you see in a high school parking lot now to 5, 10, 15, 20, 25....years ago! if you look at the trend you will see it decrease each and everytime. agreed? i think so. eventually it's gonna die out, it sad yes and i'm sure none of us will face it in our lifetimes. it's evolution, man is evolving just as his car is too. might have to get the theologian involved here. hey i don't wanna agree with it anymore than you guys but it's something to think about. i'd like to pull my 79 cutlass 455 muncie 4 speed, 4.11, 9 in rear out and light up the pavement but i see emissions putting a damper on this stuff more and more every year. 


AEROTECH 

Pocket Rocket

79 455 M-4sp 4.11 



>AEROTECH wrote:

>>

>> Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket

>> 91. you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days,

>> but the truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars,

>> and their styling. 

>

>Wanna bet?! I'm 17. I hate pretty much any new car!

>

>>they just see them as big boats. Someday all those

>

>Yeah, stupid, ignorant kids who just see a car as something with four

>wheels and a steering wheel and gas pedal. Kids who actually appreciate

>cars love the classics. I hate the '83 Craprice I have to drive now that

>I'm dismantling my Cutlass. That car should be the one dubbed "Nutless".

>

>> restored and clssic cars everyone has will be gone just as we will

>> passed on or sold to another generation who has no compassion for this

>> stuff. you guys know what i mean. where do you see you

>> showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some boneyard or what?

>

>Hell no! I'll be buried in my car! And I'll be d*mned if I'm gonna let

>the government take it away from me before that! In fact, I'm just going

>to go out and buy every gas guzzling, smog making, eardrum exploding,

>900hp "old boat" muscle car I can find and whip donuts in the director

>of the EPA'a yard!!!!

>

>Whew,

><<resume quiet child mode>

>-- 

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>

>

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:01:02 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: 455 intakes

After all the talk about intakes a while back i don't remember anyone 
saying anything about the holley street dominator II manifold thats' what i
have on mine. haven't legally streeted this car yet, just lots of BLASTS up
the country road. 

AEROTECH

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:17:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Car for Sale

Laura, has your address changed?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Car for Sale

Howdy everyone, I saw a car for sale round here (that is Bryan,
Texas) and I stopped by to take a look last night.  I don't have much info
on it right now but I can get a little more if anyone is interested.

Olds 98 luxury sedan (age between 67 and 70 I guess, they don't
know)
Missing radio
AC/Heat
blue interior
was white exterior (was painted a flat black for rust protection I'd
guess, the job wasn't great but it's covered)
back bumper dented, otherwise the doors and fenders are straight
rear window has rust around it
back seat material is a bit frayed, but not ripped up
Don't know about the front since it has a seat cover on it
Head liner has a hole ~3 inches large above the drivers door.
(Their words, I havn't heard it run or driven it) "It runs great"
Comes with a parts car (didn't see that)
Asking price is $4,800 but neg. with cash
Contact is "House of Tires" 409-779-2458

Of course if the price has been what it is now, it's probably the reason
it's been sitting out there for quite a few months now. <chuckle>

Laura
66 Delta 88 aka Pook

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 19:20:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Mail Format

I've been reminded that some messages are coming across in either rich 
text format (RTF) or HTML. Some mailers can't handle that so your 
message never gets seen. I'd ask that you check your mail configuration 
and set it so that messages are sent as plain text.

Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:13:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (I'm not recording a song!)

HEADS UP:  This message contains discussions about a mythical 442 song.
           The text is of little to no value in terms of restoration and
	   racing.  Stop reading now if you are un-interested.


Drew (me) said:

> >I would envision the song mentioning the year of the car, and that can be a
> >whole new can of worms on this list.  What year 442 should the song be
> >about?  As I see it, it would have to be 60's or very early 70's.  Back in
> >the days when a teenager actually could save their pennies and buy a new car.
>  
> Drew
>  


AEROTECH responded:

> Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket 91.
> you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days, but the
> truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars, and their
> styling. they just see them as big boats. Someday all those restored and
> clssic cars everyone has will be gone just as we will passed on or sold to
> another generation who has no compassion for this stuff. you guys know
> what i mean. where do you see you showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some
> boneyard or what?
>  
> Give me your thoughts
>  
> AEROTECH


See what I mean about a can of worms?  Mick (and I) daydreamed about a song
about 442's, and suddenly people get the idea that we're serious.  And now
here we are discussing what car it should be about.  If I did record a
song, you can bet your money it would be about big iron, not today's cars.

Perhaps you missed the lyrics earlier in this thread.  Let me refresh your
memory:

> "Well, I saved my pennies and my dollars too,
> Before I knew that my dream would come true,
> When I would buy a brand new 442......"
>
> "My 4-barrel, 4-speed, dual exhaust, 442......"

With a description like this, I think you can see we're not talking about a
pocket rocket.  Pocket rockets run fuel injection and definitely not a true
dual exhaust.

When I referred to a teenager saving pennies to buy a *new* car, I didn't
mean today's teenagers.  I was referring to that bygone era where a new
muscle car was within the means of an industrious teenager.  Of course I
didn't live through that era, but I'm told this is particularly true of the
50's, and also the 60's.  I was 16 in 1983, and there was no way I was
going to come up with the money for a brand new 442 or even Cutlass.  What
little money I had was being saved for college.
 
- -- 
Drew Senko
mailto:senko@reston.ans.net
http://members.aol.com/drewinva
Vienna, VA, USA

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 15:16:08 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 1986-1988 442 8 1/2" rearend needed

Okay, I got BAD news for ya then.  The Monte SS's don't have an 8.5" rear, they have
a 7 5/8" rear.  A little stronger than the ordinary 7.5" rear, but not much.
They'll hold up to a 350 or 403 probably, but probably not to a big block.  They do
have 3.73:1 gears though.  You need one from a Hurst/Olds, 442, GN, or T-Type
(although the Buick one is only 3.42:1).  The '83-'84 H/O's did have the rear end
you need, and so did the '84-'85 442.  Posi was not standard, it was optional, so
don't assume you'll be getting a posi either.

Those Monte SS's would be nice to grab the rear ends off of, they're pretty
valuable.  If you can, get the power steering box too.  They've got the nice
quick-ratio ones.  The trannies are among the stronger ones of the 200-4R family
too, and a good candidate for a performance rebuild.

On a brighter note, I've heard that Cutlass Cruisers with a towing package had this
rear end too, but I have yet to see one.  So check under those station wagons at the
junk yard!

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> BIG JERMES wrote:
> >
> > i doubt this will help me out any, but ill give it a try.  i need to find a
> > rearend out of a 86-88 442 for my '78 cutlass.  im getting an overdrive and i
> > want the 3.73 gears and 8 1/2" case.  all the other cutlasses and regals have
> > 7 1/2" rearends, as well as '85 and older 442s.  the montecarlo ss also has
> > the rearend i want with the 3.73 gears.  the grand national buick had the rear
> > but with 3.42 gears.
>
> Ok...  Got GOOD news for ya then!!!
>
> I live in Charleston SC, and there's a Bone Yard in my area that's got
> Two SS's there, one front end total, and one side total, both have the
> rear ends...  The place is cool on pricing too!!!
>
> I don't have the number handy, but 411 will...  It's called Auto Salavge
> in Summerville South Carolina...  It's off of Royal Road.
> --
>                             Jerry Christopher
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>  ___/.o \__,         1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:30:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Wheel grease

>>My 1st posting...I have a 86 Custom Cruiser.  I was replacing the hub/rotor
>>assembly last week and when I came to put the new ones on, I found that
>>I only had multi-purpose grease laying around.  I don't have another car, 
>>so I used it.  I'm no mechanic by any means so it was pure ignorance.
>>
>>My friend told me it is absolutely essential that I re-grease the bearings
>>with wheel bearing grease.  Is this true?  I'd rather avoid it!  If so, can
>>I get away with just slapping some new grease in there, or do I have to 
>>take the bearings out, wash them and re-grease.

Especially with disc brakes, you want high-temperature grease in there.
Spring the whole $3 for a new tube of grease, spend a half-hour regreasing
them, and don't worry about it any more.

>i wouldn't worry about it i'm sure it'll be fine, it you want to make sure
tho, 
>run the car a good half hour on the highway come home pop off the little
cap and 
>see what the grease looks like if it's no extremely thin don't worry about it.

It's not the highway speeds, but the heat generated by the disc brakes in
stop and go traffic that really heats those puppies up. 
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:45:21 -0500 (EST)
From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Subject: Newer car...new problems...

My daughter has acquired a 1992 Achieva, V-6, 3.3.

1.  Power door lock on the passenger side does not unlock the
    door, but locks the door ok.  Something binding up?

2.  'Check gages' and 'check oil' dash lights come on when the
    car is started and stay on most of the time.  Occasionally, they
    blink on or off while driving.  The oil level senor was changed
    and it still does it.  Oil level is ok, as is the oil pressure.

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 16:50:28 -0700 (MST)
From: d houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpnfssvr.mdhc.mdc.com>
Subject: Re: runaway engine

Ingmar Ott wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> I'm not offended.  Turning the key off would probably have solved the
> engine problem, but I was approaching the woods quite rapidly, and
> loosing steering control was not what I wanted to run into.  Also, being
> is kind of a hurry to get the situation under control, I might have
> switched the key too far and ended up with a locked steering wheel -
> very unpleasant.
> Depite all this, since nobody on this list had any great ideas, I
> decided to check all the linkages out, which looked fine, so were all
> the springs.  I disconnected the vacuum line for the Cruise control and
> I haven't had a problem since.  I will let it go for a week or so, then
> plug it back up and see if the problem re-occurs.  If it does, at least
> I know where it's coming from.
> 

Missed the beginning of this, but I had something similar to me happen
when I was in high school with my '80 Cutlass Calais.  One of the main
roads into the town I grew up in has two 90 degree, 20-25 mph bends just
before getting into town.  They're spaced about 1/2 mile apart.  Coming
into town, not making the second turn would lead you (assuming you didn't
nail someone crossing oncoming traffic) for about 100 yrds down a little 
two track road through the woods and off the nearly vertical high banks
down about 100 - 150 ft I'd guess to the back-waters of the damned up
river.

Coming into town, I was behind someone.  After the first bend, I 
floored it to pass and clear on-coming trafic.  Got by him and the 
pedal stayed to the floor.  Had about 2 - 3 seconds to fiddle with it
with my foot before I *really* started to worry.  Finally shut the 
key off (I, uh, already had my foot stuffed on the brakes) and was able
to steer around the corner (although it was hard) and pull off the road.

Sat there for several minutes while my heart found it's way back down
to my chest.  I don't recall ever thinking about the steering wheel
locking or how, exactly I turned it off.  I either didn't turn it far
enough to lock, or I turned it off, then back on to steer after it 
stalled.  I'm guessing I probably hit about 65 or 70, but that was 12
years ago and things seem a lot faster when the pedal's to the floor,
the tree line's getting closer, and you know what's on the other side
if you do happen to miss the trees.

Turns out the the throttle cable ran through a plastic sheath just 
before it connected to the carb.  This sheath had split lenghthwise
when I floored it and the cable wedged into the split and wouldn't 
come free.  I broke the sheath out completely to fix it.


I believe it was the Olds Gods giving me a warning.  You see, there's
more to the story.  My '80 Cutlass started out as a diesel and I
converted it to gas using the only thing available in the one junkyard
close to my small town.  It was a, um..., ch*vy 305.  Please, be 
gentle.  I was young and had yet to learn of the ways of Oldsmobiling.
I am now, and ever shall be an Olds purist, and no Olds of mine shall
ever again be shamed with the guts of another.

- --Dan

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:46:28 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

> <snip> might have to get the theologian involved
> here. hey i don't wanna agree with it anymore than you guys but it's
> something to think about. i'd like to pull my 79 cutlass 455 muncie 4
> speed, 4.11, 9 in rear out and light up the pavement but i see
> emissions putting a damper on this stuff more and more every year.
> 

True, but if you've noticed also, that many more of the states are
listening to us dinosaur owners as far as emission standards go. 
Florida says in the counties they have slated for emissions testing is
that 1974 and older models are exempt.  And a lot of other states have
followed suit with California in their older car exemptions too.  While
it's true that there are not as many cars of old as there once was, the
states also admit that the few old cars in relation to the newer cars
are negligible in the whole scheme of things as far as belching out
pollutants.  They figure attrition will take care of itself over time. 
In fact, I don't think they much care WHAT is causing the pollutants as
much as trying to make sure they comply with the EPA mandates.  It may
come a day where you must retrofit your car with cat converters (what
does the cat turn into?) and the like.  So?  If it comes to be, there
will be many cat converter companies that will make high flow versions
in greater numbers than they have now... where there's a need to
survive, people get real inventive....

- -- 
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: 8 Dec 1997 19:12:44 EDT
From: Wyatt@jobax.net
Subject: 455 intakes

OL>After all the talk about intakes a while back i don't remember anyone
OL>saying anything about the holley street dominator II manifold thats' what i
OL>have on mine. haven't legally streeted this car yet, just lots of BLASTS up
OL>the country road.

OL>AEROTECH

I have a early (1977 vintage) Holley Street Dominator on my car.  With
the W-30 cam it is a lousy choice for a street motor.  OTOH, 3000 to
5500 rpm is a blast.  With either a cam or intake change I could make my
engine respond much better on the street.  The next engine will use a
stock Olds intake, for that "original" look.  I don't know if the
Dominator II is a single plane like mine, but if it is, it would be a
poor choice for driveability.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:40:34 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Wanna bet?! I'm 17. I hate pretty much any new car!
> 

> Hell no! I'll be buried in my car! And I'll be d*mned if I'm gonna let
> the government take it away from me before that! In fact, I'm just going
> to go out and buy every gas guzzling, smog making, eardrum exploding,
> 900hp "old boat" muscle car I can find and whip donuts in the director
> of the EPA'a yard!!!!
> 
> Whew,
> <resume quiet child mode>

A WHOLE BUNCH OF CUTTING AND SNIPPING GOING ON

Uh, Matt, your parents and I must be related somewhere along the line. 
Sounds like my son would be if I had one.  Heck, one of my daughters
feels like you do.  I not even sick and they are picking who gets what
upon my departure.  I understand the feelings they have for my "old
boats."  

I have to agree with Jerry about where the 90s cars will be in 50 years.
All that electronic stuff will also wearout eventually and unless
repro-ed will be very difficult to replace and repair.  It would be
ironic and somewhat difficult if they had to regress their electronic
gizmos to mechanical stuff to keep them on the road.  Don't laugh,
folks, it could happen.  I won't be around to see it though.  Fifty
years from now I'll be hitting 99 years old as I floor the propulsion
system of my 69 S conv trying to burn rubber in all 4 gears. 

You know, that doesn't sound all that bad.  Think I'll try to stick
around and see who's right.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 00:42:08 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: neat site tonight

Hello everyone,

Thought I would tell you about the neat site I saw on the way home from work
tonight.  Driving down I-35 south I came up on two not onne but two Delta 88
convert's driving with there tops down enjoying the sun.  One was red, the
othe looked like a dark green almost black.  It was just a neat site to see
tw0 early 70's OLds converts cruising in Dec with the tops down. That would
be nice .

It was a real nice site.  Make me kind of wish I had a covert.


Oh the temp is 68 degrees.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d
San Antonio, tx
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:48:14 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Mike Rothe wrote:> 
> Well, if there's a vote, I would vote to honor the car that started all the hooplah in Oldsmobile's modern musclecar stables, the '64 442.

Let's get some real sounds rolling.  Find a straight stretch of 8 lane
road, the aforementioned 64 442, 64 GTO, 64 1/2 Mustang, one of the
Chrysler Corp hi-pos and a few other worthy adversaries and make some
real noise. Dang, that sounds like the 60s again.  A great, but scary,
time to be young.  I LOVED IT!!!!!!!

Now let's see.  Where did I put that time machine again........

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 19:57:44 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Mail Format

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> I've been reminded that some messages are coming across in either rich
> text format (RTF) or HTML. Some mailers can't handle that so your
> message never gets seen. I'd ask that you check your mail configuration and set it so that messages are sent as plain text.

Greg,

I'm a little curious about another item that crops up from time to time
on the email.  Sometimes the message fits my screen and other times it
requires the use of the computer equivalent of a sliding button.  Is
that because they don't use "a message wrap" command for their messages?
I was wondering what caused this and how to get it to fit like 75% of
the email does. Just wondering.  Thanks in advance.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:10:01 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Big block vs. Small block

Hi,
What exactly are the differences between the external dimensionalities of
Olds small and big blocks?  Are the big blocks just a couple inches longer
and taller, but not wider or something?  Also, G-body folks, I've heard
that putting a big block in a G-body somehow interferes with the vent
controls for your heater and all.  Is this true?  Thanks all.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:43:52 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

RCKTPWR wrote:
> 
> Hello to all,
>  Just wondering, is the shifter linkage different between the 3 and 4 spd
> autos?? A 3spd auto came out, and a  1981 4spd is going in my 86 Salon.  I
> have the console shift.   Thanks in advance,
> Bernie

I don't think there's a difference.  The linkage from the TH375 in my
Vista Cruiser works fine with the 2004R.  The shifter cable bracket that
mounts to the side of you 3-speed will need to be transfered to the
4-speed.  Dunno if the bolt patterns will match but you can probably
re-drill it.  If not then you can get the correct bracket out of the
junkyard.  

The shifter detents in the VC matched up with the  2004R shift pattern,
and the gear indicator worked well.  The P,R,and N match up, D indicates
overdrive, S indicates drive, and L indicates second.  The needle just
slides off the scale for low.  I don't have an overdrive in my calais,
but I was looking at the shifter when I had the console off and it looks
like you could do the same with it.  You may need to modify the detent
plate with a little creative hacksaw work to allow it to shift into
first.  

Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:33:47 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Hey,
All this chatter about the youngsters is way out of line.  I am 22, so I
guess that would be considered a youngster by the guys who have nostalgic
attachments to the classic cars because they can remember when they were
first introduced.  I love many of the cars from the 60's, 70's, and even
the 50's, ie. 58 Holiday Coupe.  Anything earlier than that is not cool.
I can't really get into Street Rods, but I need to be bald for that, I
suppose.  I'll just say that I've owned about a dozen cars and every one
has been a GM V8 powered car from the 80's.  Possibly that has something
to do with the fact that I can remember the days before I was old enough
to drive and these were the new cars coming out.  Also, we youngsters who
are struggling to feed ourselves while in school or working at a pizzeria
or whatever, can't afford to buy a classic muscle car.  I would love
nothing more than to have a nice 71 Cutlass convertible.  Well, I wouldn't
trade my 87 for it, but I still want one in addition to it.  Of course I
wouldn't trade the 71 for an 87 either.  But anyway, we take what we can
get, and I don't mind cruising around in a car that is from my genration.
I almost don't have the right to have a car that is older than I when
there's some other old guy out there wishing he had it.  Almost.  Either
way, my car is cooler than your old rusty hippy-generation cars.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:36:59 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

p.s.  I do not like basically any of the new cars coming out either.  The
Impala SS was the coolest car to come out in the 90's, but so much for
that.  I live in this damn college town, Tucson, AZ, and all I see are
these pretty boys driving around in their pRobes and pReludes and hOndas,
and kinds of other crap.  They have no idea what it's like to drive a nice
American V8 real wheeldrive car.  

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 18:40:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Speaking of songs, who's familiar with the line about the 442 in Primus's
"Jerry was a Race Car Driver"?

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 20:57:28 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Mike Rothe wrote:

> in greater numbers than they have now... where there's a need to
> survive, people get real inventive....

<Applause>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:00:23 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Newer car...new problems...

>2.  'Check gages' and 'check oil' dash lights come on when the
>    car is started and stay on most of the time.  Occasionally, they
>    blink on or off while driving.  The oil level senor was changed
>    and it still does it.  Oil level is ok, as is the oil pressure.
>
This could indicate a problem with the computer itself.  Have you had it
checked out?  You should invest in a scan tool to read the computer codes
and see what other problem codes it is indicating.

Good luck.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 18:00:23 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Newer car...new problems...

>2.  'Check gages' and 'check oil' dash lights come on when the
>    car is started and stay on most of the time.  Occasionally, they
>    blink on or off while driving.  The oil level senor was changed
>    and it still does it.  Oil level is ok, as is the oil pressure.
>
This could indicate a problem with the computer itself.  Have you had it
checked out?  You should invest in a scan tool to read the computer codes
and see what other problem codes it is indicating.

Good luck.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:02:48 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Don Sowers wrote:

> You know, that doesn't sound all that bad.  Think I'll try to stick
> around and see who's right.

I see it like CB Radios...  Now I've got one, and have played with all
types of radios, worked in a CB Shop as an apprentice, and gotta the 455
Muncie 4Sp 4.11 fully decked 72 Cutlass Convert of CB Systems, BUT... 
When it hit the "hayday" it was a BIG thing...  Then the radio went to
40 Channels, and went even BIGGER, now, how many people have a CB
actually mounted and use it (no response requested), and then those that
don't...  How many have a CB in the attic right next to the 8Track
stuff????  <G>

All these electronically controlled systems in the car aren't
invincable...  After all, how many of us have replaced hardware in our
Computers?

As soon as I get the money, my 87 Cutlass COMES OFF the computer!
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:02:26 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: runaway engine

Ingmar Ott wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> I'm not offended.  Turning the key off would probably have solved the
> engine problem, but I was approaching the woods quite rapidly, and
> loosing steering control was not what I wanted to run into.  Also, being
> is kind of a hurry to get the situation under control, I might have
> switched the key too far and ended up with a locked steering wheel -
> very unpleasant.

There's a safety switch to prevent this from happening.  Your steering
won't lock until the key is far enough back for you to take the key out,
and, when in gear, the key won't switch back that far. It'll only switch
back far enough for the motor to shut down, and not lock the steering. 
This way, you could never park your car in any gear except
park...(unless you wanted to leave your keys in the car).

- ------------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:04:01 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Newer car...new problems...

At 06:45 PM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
Linda

         For problem #1: pull the door panel on the door and you probably
find that the rod has fallen off one side of it. 
         Problem #2: Sounds like a ground problem in the warning lights on
the dash. That would cause the blinking occasionally.

Jim Chermack

>My daughter has acquired a 1992 Achieva, V-6, 3.3.
>
>1.  Power door lock on the passenger side does not unlock the
>    door, but locks the door ok.  Something binding up?
>
>2.  'Check gages' and 'check oil' dash lights come on when the
>    car is started and stay on most of the time.  Occasionally, they
>    blink on or off while driving.  The oil level senor was changed
>    and it still does it.  Oil level is ok, as is the oil pressure.
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:05:00 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Ray wrote:

> there's some other old guy out there wishing he had it.  Almost.  Either
> way, my car is cooler than your old rusty hippy-generation cars.
> 
> Ray in the desert
> 87 409 Cutlass

Hey Ray...  We owe our 87s to the roots of the 67s...  If they hadn't
dropped into a production line, we wouldn't have the car we do! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:09:36 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

AEROTECH wrote:
> 
> you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days,
> but the truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars,
> and their styling. they just see them as big boats. 

You obviously haven't met my 10 year old stepson (or his friends) who
think my "big boat" is cool.  In fact, my stepson is saving his money
for a '70-'72 442!  As for the "kids" driving the newer 4 bangers, if I
can get them to play, my car eats 'em up.  Of course then I have to stop
for more gas ;-)

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:11:20 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Newer car...new problems...

Linda Zuccaro wrote:
> 
> My daughter has acquired a 1992 Achieva, V-6, 3.3.
> 
> 1.  Power door lock on the passenger side does not unlock the
>     door, but locks the door ok.  Something binding up?

Listen to the pass door actuator...  If it works and "clicks" both ways,
then.......
Yank the door panel off..  If the 92 is the same as the 97, it's a hairy
deal, but easier to do than my 87!  Anyway, look at the lock line, the
little metal duhickey that runs from the lock to the actuator...  Looks
like thick wire (can't describe it well).  Wiggle it and keep
trying.........  We do this at work all the time...

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:13:05 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Centennial celebration plaque

HI  RC  DONT KNOW WHO HAD THEPLAQUE '""# 442 BUT I DID SEE SOMEONE SELLING A
442 PLAQUE AT LANSING, BOY, WHAT SOME PEOPLEWONT DO FOR A BUCK
                                                   JIM

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:18:38 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Ray wrote:

> and kinds of other crap.  They have no idea what it's like to drive a nice
> American V8 real wheeldrive car.

There's something to say about a car with an engine that can make
AWESOME doughnuts in an ex-girlfriend's front yard just by smashing the
gas and turning slightly! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:25:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

For the UMPTEENTH time, folks... can we PLEASE get off of this silly 
subject? 

I am hereby declaring a moratorium on discussions even remotely related 
to "my car is better/faster/cooler than your car". AGAIN. I thought we 
had dealt with this last week, and again the week previous. I have lost 
my patience with this one, gang.

Initiators of flame wars and/or continuance of this subject to the
detriment of useful discussion will be tossed PERMANENTLY. Enough said. 


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:21:28 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Ray wrote:
> 
> Speaking of songs, who's familiar with the line about the 442 in Primus's
> "Jerry was a Race Car Driver"?

I am sorta...  <HG>  But it shouldn't say WAS...  I still race....  I
stick to the Cutlass now, when I get the bug...  Sold the Mustang II,
and the Pinto.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:19:00 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

In a message dated 97-12-08 18:39:46 EST, you write:

<<  where do you see you showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some boneyard or
what?
 
 
 Give me your thoughts
  >>
On the road shaun!!!! On the road!!!!!  What about yr plastic q4...?????
PS...yr to much.....a hot rod to u guys is a front wheeler w/tinted windows...
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 08:03:12
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: 67 Cutlass Supreme pic

anyone out there have a nice jpg of a 67 c/s or 442 that they might wanna
send me?

Chris Matthes	
67 C/S
73 Cutlass
Cdogg73@elknet.net

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 21:29:31 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

In a message dated 97-12-08 18:30:03 EST, you write:

<<  Jeez- are you guys testy or WHAT?
 >  >>
Oh man, theres tests on this list??!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 97 22:22:31 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: sounds (Primus)

Ray wrote:
> 
> Speaking of songs, who's familiar with the line about the 442 in Primus's 
> "Jerry was a Race Car Driver"?
     
     
     Primus?  Primus??
     
     Obviously we need to start a thread about old vs. new music to 
     parallel the one on old vs. new iron!   ;-)
     
     (It's a JOKE.  Please don't really start a thread!)
     
     Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Ronnie and the Daytonas, the Hondells...
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:36:37 EST
From: Jjhelle <Jjhelle@aol.com>
Subject: test

test,  don't read

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Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:44:10 EST
From: Oldsnut <Oldsnut@aol.com>
Subject: Re: door alignment

I know how you feel.  I have spent days trying to align body panels.  The
easiest way is to align the door first and then the fenders and hood.
This can be done by putting a jack under the door and loosening the hinges.
It may take a few tries but it works.  Also, Eastwood makes a door aligning
tool that looks like it might work well.  Note, when aligning fenders you will
probably need to use shims to get it exactly right.

www.eastwoodco.com


In a message dated 97-12-08 17:38:39 EST, you write:

<< i am trying to line up a new fender for my cutlass, and i can't seem to
 get the body line straight, and the door hits the fender.  I now think
 that the fender is fine, but the door is sagging, as the striker plate
 is low.  i am unsure of how, if possible, to adjust or align the door
 hinge? >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:54:35 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> There's something to say about a car with an engine that can make
> AWESOME doughnuts in an ex-girlfriend's front yard just by smashing the
> gas and turning slightly! <G>

If her parents didn't like you before, they'll damn well love you
now....

I had a friend do a similar thing once...only he put the right side of
his truck into a fire hydrant...

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 22:57:58 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Duals on a Computer V8

Just wondering if I dual out my 87 Cutlass will I gain anything by
keeping the computer controls on the exhaust...  Like if I TRUE dual it,
I already plan to drop 2 Flowmaster High Flow Converters in the chain of
command....  Would I gain anything by adding an O2 sensor onto the left
side exhaust (it is already where the right side is) like splicing the
two sensors together.... Or leave it on one, and splice the air pump to
run into both converters??  I realize it'd probably help emmissions, but
is it worth it?
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:03:27 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds

RCKTPWR wrote:

> On the road shaun!!!! On the road!!!!!  What about yr plastic q4...?????
> PS...yr to much.....a hot rod to u guys is a front wheeler w/tinted windows...
> Bernie

Hahahaha...  Man someone needs to just ban this Areotech dude...  It's
no longer any fun to be on the list, seems like there's two DEFINITELY
defined groups in here...  Olds guys and Quad 4 guys that think they
should own the world...  It is really getting annoying.  It was funny in
the beginning, and I ignored it for a while, I even thought outta their
POV...  All the Q4 guys want is to be an example of ignorance, and won't
listen to other ideas unless it relates to Q4 and Q4 only.

My 87 has a V8, came from the factory with an 8, will always have an
8...

Thanx
- -- 
              Jerry Christopher - (contemplating my departure)
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:04:56 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

padavano.joe wrote:

>      Obviously we need to start a thread about old vs. new music to
>      parallel the one on old vs. new iron!   ;-)
> 
>      (It's a JOKE.  Please don't really start a thread!)
> 
>      Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Ronnie and the Daytonas, the Hondells...

HEY, what about Hendrix, Alice Cooper, Aerosmith, ZZ Top, Deep Purple
and those guys???
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:04:33 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

padavano.joe wrote:

> >Primus?  Primus??
 
>Obviously we need to start a thread about old vs. new music to
>parallel the one on old vs. new iron!

I wouldn't mind it....quite a few others would, though.  But if we get
onto the topic of Spice Girls, count me out...   
 
>Beach Boys, Jan and Dean, Ronnie and the Daytonas, the Hondells...

What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are there
no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....) 

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:06:32 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: (youngeter's retort) Re: sounds

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> For the UMPTEENTH time, folks... can we PLEASE get off of this silly
> subject?

I second that, AGAIN...
 
> I am hereby declaring a moratorium on discussions even remotely related
> to "my car is better/faster/cooler than your car". AGAIN. I thought we
> had dealt with this last week, and again the week previous. I have lost
> my patience with this one, gang.

<applaud>
 
> Initiators of flame wars and/or continuance of this subject to the
> detriment of useful discussion will be tossed PERMANENTLY. Enough said.

<loud cheering>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
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 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 21:16:55 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: door alignment

Oldsnut wrote:
> 
> I know how you feel.  I have spent days trying to align body panels.  The
> easiest way is to align the door first and then the fenders and hood.

I've found it best (not neccicarily the quickest) to align the hood with the body THEN 
match the fenders to it   

I agree the door should always be properly adjusted before aligning the fender

Dustin

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:19:58 -0500
From: "Jason K. Adcock" <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are there
> no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)

Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like listenin
to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the backroads
with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a nice
wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I can
do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc. still
have some warm evenings here and there?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 12:52:04 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: ADMIN: TEMPORARY removal from the list, please

Dear Olds List:
     I am Brent's best friend. I am sending this at his request. As some 
of you may already know, Brent was married Saturday afternoon. He 
requested that I log into his hotmail and ask to have his address 
removed from the Olds list temporarily. The problem is that if all of 
these messages go unread and continue to pile up in Hotmail, Brent's 
email will crash and he will lose any information stored in his folders 
as well as in his In-box. There are already 324 NEW messages in his 
in-box. That is only after one weekend. He will send an email to you 
letting you know when he has returned from his honeymoon so that he can 
be added to the list once again. He wanted to be certain that I told you 
that he wishes he could remain on the list for this period as he enjoys 
the info. and help, but that the amount of information that would be 
lost would not be worthwhile. Thank you very much for seeing that this 
gets taken care of.

***Also, please email me at the address below confirming this request. 
FOr your verification, if you would like, send a courtesy copy to 
Brent's email address as well. Thanks again for seeing to this. The 
other alternative (blocking sender on all names in the list) sounded 
very unappetizing to me. :^)

R.C. Righter
rc_like_the_cola@hotmail.com

TOTALLED '79 Datsun 210 wagon  >:^(

(No, really I drive a totalled '79 Datsun 210 wagon - all sympathy 
welcome!)


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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 16:58:07 -0500
From: m-hanneman@onu.edu
Subject: Re: sounds

At 04:14 PM 12/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> Definately for new age in this era it would have to be a pocket rocket
91. you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days, but the
truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars, and their
styling. they just see them as big boats. Someday all those restored and
clssic cars everyone has will be gone just as we will passed on or sold to
another generation who has no compassion for this stuff. you guys know what
i mean. where do you see you showcar/musclecar in say 50 years. some
boneyard or what?
>> Give me your thoughts
>> AEROTECH
>
I resent that comment.  I am 19 years old and love the 60's and 70's muscle
cars!!!!  I may not know anywhere close to as much about them as the rest
of you, but I sure can appreciate a mint muscle car just as much as you.  

Granted not everyone is interested in the old models, but there are still
enough of us youngsters around to care for your precious vehicles after you
have long passed on.  After I get my degree in Engineering and can
comfortably afford one, I am going to buy a late 60's 442 convertible.  And
I will treat it with as much care as any owner today!!!!!!!!!!

Matt Hanneman
(Old's Fan For Life)
85 442

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Date: Mon, 08 Dec 1997 23:23:25 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> 
> AEROTECH wrote:
> >
> > you guys may be a little outa touch with youngsters these days,
> > but the truth is they have no interest or appreciation for older cars,
> > and their styling. they just see them as big boats.
> 
> You obviously haven't met my 10 year old stepson (or his friends) who
> think my "big boat" is cool.  In fact, my stepson is saving his money
> for a '70-'72 442!  As for the "kids" driving the newer 4 bangers, if I
> can get them to play, my car eats 'em up.  Of course then I have to stop
> for more gas ;-)

I agree with ya, Jeff...most kids today have zip respect for old cars. 
Even if the car's in immaculate condition, they'll just call it a 'big
boat', or a piece of junk.  But, once they've actually sat in it, or
driven it, perceptions can change fairly quickly. I've had a few people
call the '78 D88 "The Pimp-mobile"...but, they do like sitting in it to
have a smoke and listen to a little "Low Rider" between classes. 
Whenever the four of us, three girls and myself (ya gotta love that)
have to carpool a fair distance (more than 25km), my vehicle is the one
of choice, and they've got no objections to chipping in a few bucks at
the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)

Nobody else can get over the fact that I go through about $50.00 a week
in gasoline just going to school and back.  I could reduce that by 1/3
if I wouldn't let it idle so long in the parking lot...(but I hate
freezing my *ss off!)  But, everyone is surprised "The Pimp-mobile" hit
160km/h with four people in it...(and by then she's almost got gas
flowin' out the tailpipe!)

- ----------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward  (mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net)

'78 Delta 88 Royale (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 R.B.   (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4  (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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