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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 12 1997     Volume 01 : Number 950



Re: 12" Disc Brakes
Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: 425 engines
Re:  Radio
Re: Brakes :(
Bad Lessons with control arms
Re: Hey all...
UNBOUNCE: Block ID
UNBOUNCE: The Day After (Stolen Olds Followup)
Re: Extru-hone alternatives
new toy
Re: interior
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: Hey all...
Re: UNBOUNCE: Stolen Car
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Re: paint color
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Edelbrock Head Info
Re: Junk yard Find
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
Re: winterize (long!)
jim
Re:
Re: transmission problem
gold stripe
Re: Junk yard Find
Re: Reverse lights are unemployed
Re: 12" Disc Brakes
Re: Tires !
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: A Night At The Races
Replacing old parts for safety
Re: Fuel pump
Re: Junk yard Find
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
How to tell if it's closed loop.
Spark Plugs: Tapered Seat vs. Gasket
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors
'83  H/O parts wanted
Rear for sale
Stolen 86 Olds, Happy Ending
Re: Rear for sale
Re: Tires !
Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending
NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS
Slapped!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:23:05 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 12" Disc Brakes

Christian Fair wrote:
>
> Further to this thread, do any of you have any thoughts on what would be
> necessary to fit big, big brakes to the mid-60's B & C bodies? Any chance
> this stuff could be retrofitted?  My 98 weighs about 4500 pounds and stopping
> short is always a good thing.
>
> Re the piece about the late 70's R*viera and C*ddy rear ends with disc brake
> setups, what would be necessary to retrofit these to fit my 98? Would my
> old 455 just beat the heck out of the diff?

Didn't someone post to the list awhile back that all the rear GM brakes
use the same bolt pattern?  I.E. the backing plates will interchange
between axles?  If that's the case, you'd just need the brake backing
plates, calipers, and rotors.  Even if they didn't all have the same
bolt pattern I'm sure adapting the backing plates would be easier than
swapping the diff.

Can't help you with the front brakes much.  (Come to think of it, I
wasn't really much help with the rear brakes, was I? :)  I guess if 80's
full size brakes will fit a 60's A-body, the're not gonna fit a 60's
full size.  Don't the 80's ch*vy trucks have pretty big brakes?  I
wonder if truck spindles would fit on a 60's fullsize.



Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:16:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

In a message dated 97-11-08 21:13:51 EST, you write:

<<
 As a small aside, even some Buick turbo V-6 motors were 2-bbl's back in the
 early days.
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu >>


??? Just curious to which ones.....

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:41:19 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: 425 engines

> I have a '67 hi compression 425 (disassembled) for sale if anyone's
> interested.....
> > >If you want to show 455-boy the finer points of Olds Power, I suggest
> > >you
> > >direct your attentions to a nice 425 mill. That would be the OLDS 425
> > >engine,
> > >of '65-67 vintage. Anyone else have one around there? Thought not.

        If I had the money I'd definately pick it up from ya, Kurt.
Unfortunately my current amount of "wealth" is tied up in...ahem...other
assests.  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:43:51 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:  Radio

Got this request off my web page.  Can anyone help him?  Please reply to
him directly at jerrys@ftp.xetron.com

I collect and restore radios and recently aquired a radio from a 1965 Olds
Dynamic 88 and was wondering if you knew where I might get a picture of the
car and maybe a picture of the dashboard.  I would like to see how the
radio looked in the car.
Thanks,
Jerry Straight


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:11:48 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Brakes :(

Do what I do when I don't have the money...Do it yourself!  A dealer shop
manual will teach you wonderous things about your car.  You would be amazed at
what you can do even when your wallet says you can't.  I rebuilt my TH-350 in
36 hours with a friend, a shop manual, and a sense of adventure.  Good Luck.

Patrick Rose wrote:

>         I took my car to Mineke today. They said that the brakes hadn't
> been serviced in a while and it would cost $750 (after a $50 discount).
> The car needs new everything, it seems. I guess that's what I get for only
> paying $600 for it, but I love the car and I was planning to restore it.
> Is there any way I could lower the price? I don't have that kind of money.
> I really have enjoyed being on the list and chatting with you guys, but it
> looks like my restoration is going to come to a halt pretty fast. I'm
> trying to find friends in the business to help lower the price but it
> looks like the Cutlass is going to be parked for a while. If anyone knows
> anyone near the Chapel Hill/Durham area they would recommend, let me know.
> Thanks for all your advice and wonderful help. I'm going to put the new
> stereo speaker in anyway, though. Heck, that's important, too.
>
> Pat
> Chapel Hill, NC
> prose@email.unc.edu
> '68 Cutlass S (sick)



- --
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181
'68 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 01:08:45 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Bad Lessons with control arms

> Thoughts? Seems the rear suspension arms also don't really like the added
> stress, when _un_boxed, of a rear sway bar. The additional stress caused
> mine to crack, happily discovered and rewelded by my local suspension shop
> before breakage.

        Can't say I got off as lucky, Christian - back in '95 I was motoring
along in my '76 Monte Carlo, carefree as a bird, thinking I was an invincible 
18
year old.  I used to consistantly do 75-80mph down back roads that were BARELY
two lanes wide with many awaiting trees on the sidelines watching the action.
Well, one day after work I was actually going along at the speed limit down the
two-lane highway coming up to this back road.  I was doing about 50mph when I
heard a clunk and the car's rear end and started drifting one way 
slightly...I'm
thinkin: "this can't be good" so I let off the gas a bit....it violently throws
itself the other way and back and forth and so on.  As soon as I mash the no-go
pedal she flies to the right and starts aimin for the 10' deep ditch - all the
while the 5-6 cars behind me start slowing down (almost "piling up") when 
seeing
me careening sideways down our lane at probably 40mph facing the ditch!!  I got
it stopped with the right front wheel in the grass right on the edge of the
drop-off...the ass-end hanging out on the road still.  I of course got out 
right
away, and for some reason (can't recall now) I was thinking it was something in
the front end, so I started inspecting the suspension.  A kindly motorist who'd
stopped said "Your rear end let go, eh?" and I walked back to the driver's side
rear wheel well to see the wheel jammed against the front of the well and the
other wheel is against the back.  Right when I stopped too I heard a loud
whirring followed by a thud as the driveshaft came out of the transmission and
dropped on the ground.
        I had heard a knocking in the suspension on my way to work that day, so
when I got there I did a quick inspection of the rear suspension (which I
determined to be the source of the noise while on my way to work).  I saw
nothing out of the ordinary and didn't give it another thought until I got the
car home to look at - I yanked on the control arms and shocks and they didn't
move, so I felt ok with it.  What I DIDN'T know was that the driver's side 
lower
control arm had rotted through on the side towards the inside of the car and 
had
already cracked up that whole side - which I couldn't see from the side of the
car without climbing under it.  The portion of the drive home that I
successfully completed finished cracking the top and other side.  That would
have been scary if I had made it onto that back road with the speeds I used to
travel.  I don't think I would be writing you nice folks about this today had I
gotten onto the road!
        So that's a lesson we all can do well to remember - never ever neglect
anything regarding your suspension, and never assume that just because the 
parts
are only xx months/years old that they're fine.  Perform or have performed
regular "check-ups" on your ride to make sure she'll "support" you all the way.
=B)
        Just as a further point of interest the Monte had a sway bar (stock
size) on the back when this happend (still does too). - -- Trevor Lee (aka
Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/ mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 00:17:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Hey all...

At 11:00 PM 11/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, it's bound to happen, so here it is:
>
>Hey...  I'm Jerry, I own an 87 Cutlass Supreme with the V8, I used to
>drive a Ford (sigh) 77 Mustang II.....
>
>So how big is this list??  (Hoping I'm not alone here)
>--
>             Jerry Christopher
>    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>___/.o \__, Lost Pony  Round-Up
>=O------0=   HTTP://WWW.GeoCities.Com/MotorCity/Downs/2169

 Well Jerry, you managed to find a rather large mailing list.  Almost any
question you have can be answered here. I am Rich and I have an '84 Cutlass
Brougham with 159,000 miles and it still runs great. Good luck with your
adventures here. Don't forget, check your mail often.  It's not odd to get
100 messages per day.  Oldsmobile Forever!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:02:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Block ID

Not on the list, reply directly...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Sking4me@aol.com
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Identifying engine blocks

I am searching in my local salvage yards for a 1968-69, 455 out of a
Toronado.  I am wondering what block casting numbers to look for to help me
identify that it is really from a 1968-69 455.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Please e-mail me at Sking4me@aol.com or phone at 920-766-6486.

Thank you

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 03:04:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: The Day After (Stolen Olds Followup)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: The Day After (Stolen car follow up)

Well the day after is a heck of a lot worse. Thanks for the support and
encouragement.  Just wanted to let everyone know what the deal is with the
insurance company so that you can plan ahead to minimize any problems you
might have if this happens to you.

Bought the car in 1984 for $3400 and since then have had engine,
transmission, paint and interior redone,  Thank god my wife keeps all
receipts and checks.  Was able to find most of them last night, I have (had)
over $11,000 in the car.  I have some pictures of the car, but probably not
enough.  Got a real bad feeling that I am going to take a bath here.  I dont
expect them to give me everything I had into it, but have no idea what the
middle ground is going to be.

I actually read my policy last night, first time ever, make sure you are
familiar with it,  no surprises in mine, but here is the general gist for a
State Farm policy.

Stolen cars are covered under comprehensive.  Policy will provide a rental
car (at $16 a day, found a cavelier for that price) until claim is settled.
 Policy provides that they will cover 1)actual cash value, or 2)cost of
repair or replacement..  If the owner and insurance comp cannot agree on
actual cash value, either party may demand an appraisal .  Each party
selects an appraiser, the two appraisers select a third appraiser.  The
written decision of any two appraisers shall be binding.  The cost of the
appraiser is paid for by the party that hired him, the cost of the third
appraiser is split between both parties.

The insurance company will wait 25 days before processing claim, they do
provide a rental car during that time. (at $16/day) until claim is settled.

I dont know if they punched the locks or towed the car.  Car was in plain
view of 7 story office building in busy parking lot,

Lessons Learned:

1) Read your policy, make sure you know what it says and understand any
implications.

2)Plan for the worse. Assume your car will be stolen and keep good records
and reciepts of all work.  It will be up to you to prove the value of the
car is above standard blue book.

3)  Alarm or cut-off switch.  I don't know  how much difference it would
have made, but some deterence has got to be better then nothing.

Will let you all know if they find it, or what happens if (when) the claim
gets settled, probably around Christmas time.

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.Dick@cpmx.saic.com
OCA ª028436

STOLEN:  1986 Olds Cutlass Salon.  Stolen on Monday November 10, 1997 from
655 Metro Place South in Dublin, Ohio sometime between 9:30 am and 3:30 pm.
 No signs of forced entry.  Car is silver with T-tops.  New paint (emblems
not put back on), no side body molding.  License plates were Ohio  4WINNS,
car has class II hitch, buckets, full console, gauge package, VIN
 1G36k47Y3GR359263.
If seen please contact Dublin police at (614) 761-6530 or Jeff DIck at (614)
791-3390 (work), (614) 875-0241 (home).  Thank You

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:21:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Extru-hone alternatives

In a message dated 97-11-10 00:23:44 EST, you write:

<< > Extrude-hone alternatives:
 >
 > What about something that uses gravity and air pressure
 >  with no moving parts?    TIM
 > ===============
 > Intriguing concept [note Olds content already...] TIM, care to expand on
that
 > theory? How does one move a slurry of abrasive paste & water up, say, 10
feet,
 > using air, and no moving parts? That'd be GREAT. >>

Its one of those deals where all I need is about 60 dollars worth of steel
and about 3 months in my secret shop thats not open to the public......;-)

But seriously if you can give me some specifics on what the abrasive is
and where it can be obtained I will manufacture these things and start
selling them for way below cost or somewhere in that vicinity*......or just
do
it for everybody in my spare time.  They only plans I have would be for
4 barrel manifolds and heads......TIM


 *Although this is the current intention please remember that things do
change sometimes....;-)

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:12:13 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: new toy

became the proud owner of a '70 Delta 98 LS today!!   she ugly but she HAULS!!

its pea green with dark green interior   few dings & one dent on the outside 
but
the interior is almost perfect!!

everything seems to work, only thing I didnt try was the AC  'cause it was too
cold to tell if it was working anyway!!

I never new the high beam indicator in those cars were so cool! (took me a 
while
to figure out thats what it was)

up to 3 Oldsmobiles in my fleet now!!

'68 Cutlass wagon
'70 Delta 98
'89 Cutlass Supreme

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 04:20:05 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior

In a message dated 97-11-07 19:01:59 EST, you write:

<< ) or POR-15 (800-77-POR15). >>
Ive had good luck w/this stuff, just my new chevy value, uh i mean 2 cents
worth
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 07:51:13 -0500 (EST)
From: TURBO38@aol.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:12:10 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Hey all...

Rich Meyers wrote:

> >So how big is this list??  (Hoping I'm not alone here)

>  Well Jerry, you managed to find a rather large mailing list.  Almost any
> question you have can be answered here. I am Rich and I have an '84 Cutlass
> Brougham with 159,000 miles and it still runs great. Good luck with your
> adventures here. Don't forget, check your mail often.  It's not odd to get
> 100 messages per day.  Oldsmobile Forever!

Awesome...  I am still used to checking my mail for the Mustang II
List...  It would hit  50-60 easy on the weekdays, 70-90 on the
weekends, so I am still prepared for heavy combat.....

Let's hope my ISP can hold up ot the challenge.
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:48:50 -0500 (EST)
From: earthsci@pop.usit.net
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Stolen Car

At 06:17 PM 11/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From:Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
>To:Olds mailing list <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: Stolen Car
>
>Well, I waited too long to go out and install a security system.
>
>My baby, 1986 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops, new paint and engine last year,
>was STOLEN today from work.  Parked it at  9:30 this morning and went to




Man, I'm sorry about your ride.

I remind every body that this style car was the MOST often stolen car during
its production in the early to late 80s.  And I would imagine that it's
near, if not still at the top of the list today.

They are so easy to get into and easier to start.  Any 9 year old can do it.

I learned this the hard way myself during my college years.  My '85 was
stolen once (recovered but needed new trunk, dash and radio, and, of course,
steering column).  After I started using a brake lock, I lost a replacement
radio which I again replaced with the pull out type.  I then installed a
alarm with an additional "pager" alarm.  Pulled a gun on a guy in my car
about 2:00 a.m. one morning after the pager woke me.  He couldn't have been
a day over 12. He was cool, just looked at me and ran, but I never had any
trouble again.  Certainly wasting a 12 year old over my or anyone else's car
would be no means be worth it, but I like to think I made my point.

<I know, I should have moved somewhere else, but I could afford the rent at
this place.>

Invest in a club or brake lock, at least your car will be there where you
left it (although it may have several items missing).

I hope they find your car in one piece.  Doubt if they'll find the ***hole.

Good luck and keep us informed.




earthsci@usit.net

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:59:53 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

Thanks for the warning signs.  My VC has 225,000 & my Cutlass has "god
knows how many" miles with a front end that is probably missing more parts
then it has still.  I know I'm looking at springs, shocks & bushings,
control arms, ?? on the Cutlass and bushings and ?? control arms at least
on the VC.  I don't worry too much as I only drive 10 - 15 miles a day and
its all within 3 miles of where I live (triple A doesn't charge my account
99.9% of the time) and never over 45 normally - so I could skid to a stop
safely.  Long trips right now are Delta material only.

Good to know however, what to be wary of (besides driving - hahahaha).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:47:40 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: paint color

Both my VC's are black in all these areas.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:43:37 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

You guys are starting to worry me.  When I rebuilt my front end a year ago I
noticed a 1/8 to 1/16 in crack in the upper control arm where the ball joint
goes.  I didn't think much of it but now I have to check it, see if its
increased in length.  Other than that my suspension is fine.

But it raises kind of a sad prospect.  For those of us that enjoy our old cars
as daily drivers, driving them frequently and hard may become
impractical/unsafe at some point, as metal fatigue gradually makes these cars
unsafe to drive.  At some point, these sorts of critical parts are going to get
so rare/expensive that daily driving won't be possible....?  I suppose thats
what has happened to the '50s cars and those before it.  Anyway, the idea that
daily driving my 60/70s car will someday not make sense does not make me happy.

Todd Morris
71 442



        oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
        11-12-97 09:23 AM
Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ internet

To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ internet
cc:
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

Thanks for the warning signs.  My VC has 225,000 & my Cutlass has "god
knows how many" miles with a front end that is probably missing more parts
then it has still.  I know I'm looking at springs, shocks & bushings,
control arms, ?? on the Cutlass and bushings and ?? control arms at least
on the VC.  I don't worry too much as I only drive 10 - 15 miles a day and
its all within 3 miles of where I live (triple A doesn't charge my account
99.9% of the time) and never over 45 normally - so I could skid to a stop
safely.  Long trips right now are Delta material only.

Good to know however, what to be wary of (besides driving - hahahaha).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:46:25 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Edelbrock Head Info

See http:www.edelbrock.com/automotive/preview_for_98.htmlªheads

"Designed for high-performance non-emission 1965-76 Oldsmobile 400, 425
and 455 cubic inch engines (except 68-69 W-30) This head features 77 cc
combustion chamnbers and an emproved chanber design that increases quench
area for a more efficienct burn.  This complete heads are assembled and
ready to run with 2.072 intake valves and 1.680 exhaust valves, hardened
ductile iron valve seats and phosphor bronze guides.  The valve train has
bveen upgraded from the factory pedestal mount system to a 7/16" screw in
stud and 3/8" pushrod rod slot guideplate for increased valvetrain
stability.  The high-velocity factory location prots feature 188 cc
intake runners and 106cc  raised floor exhaust runners for substantially
more flow and power than factory ports.  head bolt holes are drilled ro
the stock 7/16" bolts or studs by drilling the 1/2" counterbore.
Aftermarket rocker arms and hardened pushrods are required for installation."


Looks like a fun time.. Wonder about the cost?

Al

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:16:40 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

- ----------
>
>
> Uh, Robert,
>
> Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> Jest curious...
> cf
>

 Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?

Bob

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:15:21 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

E me Direct so we don't waste others time

Bob
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Mr57olds@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 10:38 PM
>
> docbob,  I am interested in the J-2 intake and carb.  where are you
located,
>  what condition,  and how much?????
> '54 olds 88
> '57 olds super 88
> '64 cutlass coupe
> '64 442 convertable

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:34:34 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: winterize (long!)

>> Remove battery, and preferrably store inside...but if the wife won't
let
>> you keep a 650 CCA Exide inside, set it on a block of wood, and store
it
>> in the garage.  Never set a battery on the ground...it'll drain it
over
>> the course of the winter (so I'm told).
[...]
> It's a wives' tale that setting a battery on concrete or dirt or
anything else
> will drain the battery. The battery case is well insulated and if
anything
> were going to drain it, it would be the metal base it sets on in the
car..

The block of wood is for thermal insulation, not electrical insulation.
If the battery sits on a concrete floor (e.g. in your garage), the
concrete will chill it to the temperature of the ground at night, below
the temperature of the surrounding air, causing condensation to form on
the casing. The moisture allows a slow trickle drain (or short, if you
will) from one terminal to the other. And a garage is a pretty humid
place to begin with, as the engine will generate almost a gallon of
water vapor for each gallon of gas you burn. The block of wood helps
block heat transfer from the battery to the floor, keeping the battery
at surrounding air temperature and thus preventing condensation from
forming on the case.

Having said all that, I'd agree that the "normal" drain of the battery
over time is probably more significant when in storage anyway; it'll go
just as dead sitting in your bedroom closet if you wait long enough...
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:38:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: jim

this message is for jim.  thats great that your car runs that fast.  if
only every olds could.  im presently running a 14.31 quarter mile.  best
of luck to you and everyone else with their cars.  (just as long as a
ford dosent win thats all that matters).  thanks alot jim, and great car!!!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:53:01 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re:

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
>
>        That's great that you got all the good parts on your car. I'm not
>saying that the Quad 4 is a bad engine. I don't think you can come close to
>the 12.98 ET of my 67 442 can run (yes it's a factory W-30).

I agree it's good to hear you have a potent little pocket rocket but saying
you can beat this and that doesn't mean a whole lot with out a time slip to
back it up. I raced a '65 El camino with a dual quad tunnel ram sticking
through the hood with my stock '65 Dynamic 88 (425 2bbl. single exhaust 2.73
rear 4100 lbs.) and had him in my rear view mirror before I got out of first
gear. I wouldn't consider it ~quick~ (never made it to the track front
bushings to worn). I had a '82 Gutlass with a '76 smogger 455 that had a
small cam, headers, 2 1/2" duals and 2.?? rear that would win the majority
of the street races it was in. It ran 15.7-16.0 at the track not very quick
but it could hold it's own on the street. I'm not putting Q4s down but if
your going to brag you need to have some proof.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 09:50:51 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: transmission problem

> You can disconnect the TCC or put in a switch.  I'm
> still researching how to put in a switch, that's what I'd like to do,
> actually, but I don't know about all the little technicalities, like
what
> happens if I'm in first gear going like 5 mph.  If I flip the switch,
the
> TCC won't engage, right?

Right, because the purpose of the switch you'd put in is to block power
when the computer wants to apply it; it's not to _provide_ power when
the computer doesn't want to. (I'm assuming here that you're planning to
cut into the lead where it plugs into the transmission casing, the most
accessible spot, so the switch interrupts the existing wiring.)

> The transmission will still work like normal, if I leave the switch
flipped, right?

If you leave your switch in the On position, yes.

But all that aside, I think you're shooting the messenger, or curing the
symptoms instead of the disease. The engine is trying to tell you that
it's running a bit weak, so when the computer engages the TCC, the
engine can't cope with the load and starts pinging and bogging (except,
you said, when it's first started, when it presumably is running on a
richer mixture). Have you tried tuning the carb and generally checking
to see if the engine's within specs? Granted it was a weak engine/trans
combo as others have said, and maybe it's just showing its age now, but
I'd see if you can't improve the engine health a little bit first, and
the trans problems might then go away.

> Does our Andy Green know anything about _transmission_electronics_ ?
;-)

Um... No. And I'm still trying to recover from screwing up my defogger
and cruise-control answers.  :-(
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:55:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: gold stripe

does any one know where to get the little 6 inch piece of gold striping
for the front driver side fender on an 89 calais q4?  ive gone to the
dealer and due to the really limited edition of this car they cant get
this front piece themselves!  Im also new to this list and its great.
Ive been an olds fan for many many years (my dad worked for olds for 19
years so that helps).  this is the type of thing ive looked for for many
years.  Good luck to everyone and their oldsmobiles.  my friends just as
crazy about these cars as i am but hes to cheap to get email--his loss!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:59:36 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

Robert Schinkel wrote:
>
> ----------
> >
> >
> > Uh, Robert,
> >
> > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > Jest curious...
> > cf
> >
>
>  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?
>
> Bob

What's for dinner?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:04:58 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse lights are unemployed

> I am assuming that the Reverse light problem I am about to explain is
a
> common G-Body Column Shift problem, due to the fact that I have seen
> Regals, and Monte Carlos do the same thing:
>
> Where/what do I adjust to get the reverse lights to work while the car
> is fully engaged in reverse???

You have a choice of two places: steering column or trans linkage
(underneath).

On the steering column you will find the starter interlock (neutral
safety) switch, probably on the upper side of the steering column behind
the dash. This is the gadget that prevents you from cranking the starter
if you're not in Park or Neutral. It's also responsible for turning on
the backup lights when you shift to the right spot. Its mounting holes
are slotted so you can jiggle it a little to one side or the other to
get it in synch with the shifter. (You have this on the column even if
your car has a console shifter; the linkage in that case is "pushed"
from the engine side rather than "pulled" from the column side, but the
same switch hardware is in use.) (And I'm only talking about the '80's
vintage here 'cause I just _know_ somebody is going to nail me
otherwise; if you don't find it there, I'm not talking about your car.
So there.  :-)

The trans linkage is also adjustable for the same thing. I adjusted it
down there when the aging motor mounts allowed the engine to sit lower
in the cradle, which tended to pull the shift linkage out of synch and
screwed up the backup lights. If you look underneath you should find one
point where a setscrew bolt clamps onto a short bar, and loosening the
setscrew allows you to slide the clamp back and forth a little on the
bar. Fiddling with it a little bit (shouldn't need more than an inch or
so of movement) there should get your backup lights back.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:17:45 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 12" Disc Brakes

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
>  Don't the 80's ch*vy trucks have pretty big brakes?  I
>wonder if truck spindles would fit on a 60's fullsize.
>
Well I've got a '65 88 and a '89 C1500. GM fullsize truck brakes suck big
time! The Dynamic is around 300 lbs. lighter and has larger drums (on back)
than my truck and can stop a lot quicker (when it was together) than my
truck. I've been thinking about putting a rear out of a '60s full size in my
truck. They are just about the same width. I've also been think about
waiting till fall of '98 and buying a new GMC they are going to be sweet.
They are not going to be much different looking than the current body style
(no bubble or semi looks like the other two big US trucks) extended cab is
going to be 4" longer than current model with available 4 wheel disk brakes
and an available 305 hp 350cid engine. I'd like to see one of them wussy ohc
Ford engines compete with that 'cause they can't even keep up with the
vortec engines power or gas mileage wise.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:11:52 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tires !

- ---Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
I have never seen a tire thats too big on  a full size car if the
backspacing is right....

!!!!!!!!!
     True! But a 245-60-14 and 235-60-14s are TOO SHORT for a full
size car...they even look short on 68-72 Cutlasses! (ducking bullets
from the short-tire folks). A 245-60-14 is only about 25.5"
tall.......about an inch shorter than the Cutlass really needs and FAR
away from the 28"+ height the early big cars need!
     On the subject of tires.........does anybody still make a
235-70R14? I know BFG did....I have a set on my W30. Someone said they
are now discontinued. Is this true :(

===
John Pajak (Tired Out)                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


__________________________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:20:03 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
>Matt Cremean wrote:
>>
>> 7) Use a major credit card such as MasterCard, Visa, or American
>> Express, and BUY A MACINTOSH.
>
>Aww, man!  And we thought you were cool... ;-)
>_____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock

Jason everybody is entitled to mistakes.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:23:21 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: A Night At The Races

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Burke <dburke@magicnet.net>
>"YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!!  Just as the first yellow light started
THE DAMN PHONE RINGS!!"

Just goes to show a little technology in a old car can beat a new car with a
lot of technology (that probably cost twice as much).

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:21:48 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Replacing old parts for safety

> unsafe to drive.  At some point, these sorts of critical parts are going to
get > so rare/expensive that daily driving won't be possible....?  I suppose
thats > what has happened to the '50s cars and those before it.  Anyway, the
idea that > daily driving my 60/70s car will someday not make sense does not
make me happy.

        I don't think we'll have to worry TOO much about that, Todd.  After
all...there's quite a few aftermarket companies that manufacture replacement
parts for cars from the '60s & '70s (the popular "musclecars" anyways) which 
are
most times better than the original parts - like tubular control arms and stuff
like that.  I'll eventually end up doing that on my '76 Cutlass simply for
better peace of mind - and cause I wanna go through the whole suspension and
tweak it out for better handling (who says a 4000lb car can't handle???)  =B) -
-- Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme
Brougham http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/ mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 10:29:33 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel pump

- -----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>

Pull the pump (again) and move the pump arm by hand. Check for any wear
marks on the arm. Compare the pump to the pump you took out they should be
just about identical. Call the shop you bought it from and have them look up
the part number again to make sure you got the right pump. If all else fails
take it back and get another pump.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:28:43 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

> > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > Jest curious...
>  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?

        Hey Bob...I live in Welland....which wrecking yard is it??  Most
of the yards I've been to always seem to get rid of their pre-80's
cars.  BTW - you wouldn't happen to own a early 70s brown convertible
Cutlass and attend cruise nights at Tune Town would you?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:37:04 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

At 07:51 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?
>
I checked out Edelbrock's booth at SEMA.  They had a pre-production head on
display.  They would not quote even a ballpark price and said that they
would be shipping in February or March.  I was kind of disappointed with
that answer but they would not give me any more details.

The rest of SEMA was as always a blast.  It's truly a car guy's candystore.
 Too bad you can't buy any of the products right there.  I highly recommend
it to anyone who has the opportunity to go.

I have the Edelbrock "New for 98" flyer which gives some detail on the Olds
head.  If anyone is interested, I can post it or mail it privately.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:56:19 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: How to tell if it's closed loop.

I'm tinkering with a winter project for the '84 H/O, a small indicator
and switch panel that will go where the ashtray is.  I plan to
incorporate a TCC lockup indicator, force and defeat TCC lockup
switches, a switch to put the CCC in diagnostic mode, and maybe a kill
switch (probably the barrel key type), and one empty switch for future
use.

I'd also like to have an indicator, just an LED, that tells me when the
car is running in closed loop or open loop mode.  Does anyone know how I
can tell this and what wire or system I can tap off of to get a signal
of some sort?   Ground, 12v, 5v, whatever I can get it I can work with.
The only way I know to tell for *sure* if it's closed loop is hook a
dwell meter up to the mixture control solenoid.

When done, I'll see about putting pictures and/or schematics on my web
page.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:07:56 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Spark Plugs: Tapered Seat vs. Gasket

Just a question for basic information; what year did Oldsmobile switch its
head design over from a tapered-seat spark plug to a gasket-style spark
plug? I was under the impression that it was 1970 and later that used the
gasket-style plug.

A couple other related questions:

How wide is the tapered seat in the head? As wide as the taper on the plug
itself?

Is there an indicator in the spark-plug numbering system of most
manufacturers that distinguishes a taper-seat plug from a gasket-type plug?
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:21:39 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Erik,

Please post whatever information you have on the Edelbrock heads?


Thanks,


>At 07:51 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?
>>
>I checked out Edelbrock's booth at SEMA.  They had a pre-production head on
>display.  They would not quote even a ballpark price and said that they
>would be shipping in February or March.  I was kind of disappointed with
>that answer but they would not give me any more details.
>
>The rest of SEMA was as always a blast.  It's truly a car guy's candystore.
> Too bad you can't buy any of the products right there.  I highly recommend
>it to anyone who has the opportunity to go.
>
>I have the Edelbrock "New for 98" flyer which gives some detail on the Olds
>head.  If anyone is interested, I can post it or mail it privately.
>
>Erik Nowacki
>San Diego
>72 Vista Cruiser
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:19:30 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

For a while I have been waiting for Edelbrock to come out with
Aluminum Heads but now I am a little disappointed with the heads. I
know that they are Aluminun and will cut down the weight but I
figured the the valves would be a little bigger then 2.02..Well I
guess I will have to live with it though considering it took them a
while to recognize us Olds guys / gals huh...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:23:33 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsie vs Chevy motors

> and 88s that littered the yards.  Mike's Wrecking near Hamilton had a
> bunch, as did I really excellent yard near Thorold, but I'm damned if I can
> remember exactely where it was.  Of course all those cars are gone now

        Were you thinking of Thorold Auto Parts?  I was there not too long ago
and they are really snobby there I've found - they won't let you get anything
off the car yourself - they have to send a guy out with the yard truck to take
off the slightest little thing, and if you go in there asking for parts for a
pre-80s car they tell you they don't have any at all and almost make it seem
like you're a fool for asking.  The one place I like to go is Miller's in Fort
Erie.  They even had cars from the 50s & 60s up til a couple months ago, but
70s cars are a regular find there.

> Good luck with the project ...

        Thanx Graham.  I'll let you know when she's running in the spring...or
I'll tell you when it's gonna be fired up and you can sit on your front porch
and listen if you want  =B)  he-he-he.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:25:36 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: '83  H/O parts wanted

   I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:35:02 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Rear for sale

     77 C/S rear for sale. Has a 3.42 Richmond Raider Super Brute Posi in
it. If interested e-mail private for more info.   Thanks all


------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:13:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: Stolen 86 Olds, Happy Ending

Well, today the 3 day crisis came to an end.

I (yes, I) found my 86 cutlass Salon in the hotel parking lot next door to
my office.  Drove into work a slightly different way this morning, looked
over and saw the rear end of a silver cutlass in the parking lot,  so I
drove up next to it and bingo, my car.

Police came out, basically they punched the door lock, and then broke into
the column near the turn signal lever and behind the tilt lever.  Sheared
off the pin that  locks the transmision and   steering wheel, and then used
a screw driver to start the car by forcing down the mechanism inside the
column (for lack of better definition).

Dont know what the exact mileage was, so can't say if they just moved it the
1/4 mile to the other lot, or actually drove it around for a while.  Neither
one makes sense.  They could have stole what they did without moving car
very quickly (and commiting grand theft auto), but if they took off little
reason to bring back, unless maybe they had a car sitting there.

Damage:  Punched drivers side door lock, dents and scratches, wrecked
steering column, stolen radio (associated damage to dash), punched out lock
on one of the t-tops, misc broken trim pieces inside, bucket seats looks a
little crooked (?), New stone chips on nose and hood.  Car phone, radar
detector, cds gone, sunglasses, garage door opener, kids car seats
untouched.

Insurance will cover everything but the radar detector and cds.

Had car towed to Dublin Oldsmobile, figured best place to get things fixed
right (crossing fingers), Tow truck driver got car started, seems to be
missing, Hope not a problem.

Overall I feel very lucky getting car back in condition it is in.  Police
dusted for prints but didnt expect to find anything really.  Asked if I
wanted the car (forget the word), basically they try and pull prints off
everything, have to use superglue, said it would ruin the interior pretty
bad.  We both decided that that extreme wasnt necessary.

First thing I do when I get it back is alarm system.  Any advice concerning
how to make sure it is fixed "right" will be appreciated.

Jeff Dick
jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
86 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops (stolen once, never twice)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 13:00:41 -0500
From: mevans@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Rear for sale

How much do you want for it?  Where is it?  Condition?

Thanks!

>     77 C/S rear for sale. Has a 3.42 Richmond Raider Super Brute Posi in
>it. If interested e-mail private for more info.   Thanks all
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:20:58 -0500
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Tires !

At 08:11 AM 11/12/97 -0800, you wrote:

On the subject of tires.........does anybody still make a
>235-70R14? I know BFG did....I have a set on my W30. Someone said they
>are now discontinued. Is this true :(

Yes, this is unfortunately true. While individual retail outlets may still
have some in stock, the factory has discontinued production of the 235 (or
wider) 70R14. BTW, BFG sold their tire division to Uniroyal. I found this
out when I went looking for tires for the Cutlass about six months ago.
Apparently this size limitation is not restricted to BFG. The guys at my
local NTW claim to have searched for a similar size in all of the brands
they carry, and they say they couldn't find anything in the area. So, the
Cutlass is sitting on 245-60R14 tires.

Capitol City Rockets Members: If you buy tires from NTW don't forget to ask
for the 10% club discount!

Ray
Alexandria, VA
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:52:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: Stolen 86 Olds, Happy Ending
Date:Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:13:00 PST

Well, today the 3 day crisis came to an end.

I (yes, I) found my 86 cutlass Salon in the hotel parking lot next door to
my office.  Drove into work a slightly different way this morning, looked
over and saw the rear end of a silver cutlass in the parking lot,  so I
drove up next to it and bingo, my car.

Police came out, basically they punched the door lock, and then broke into
the column near the turn signal lever and behind the tilt lever.  Sheared
off the pin that  locks the transmision and   steering wheel, and then used
a screw driver to start the car by forcing down the mechanism inside the
column (for lack of better definition).

Dont know what the exact mileage was, so can't say if they just moved it the
1/4 mile to the other lot, or actually drove it around for a while.  Neither
one makes sense.  They could have stole what they did without moving car
very quickly (and commiting grand theft auto), but if they took off little
reason to bring back, unless maybe they had a car sitting there.

Damage:  Punched drivers side door lock, dents and scratches, wrecked
steering column, stolen radio (associated damage to dash), punched out lock
on one of the t-tops, misc broken trim pieces inside, bucket seats looks a
little crooked (?), New stone chips on nose and hood.  Car phone, radar
detector, cds gone, sunglasses, garage door opener, kids car seats
untouched.

Insurance will cover everything but the radar detector and cds.

Had car towed to Dublin Oldsmobile, figured best place to get things fixed
right (crossing fingers), Tow truck driver got car started, seems to be
missing, Hope not a problem.

Overall I feel very lucky getting car back in condition it is in.  Police
dusted for prints but didnt expect to find anything really.  Asked if I
wanted the car (forget the word), basically they try and pull prints off
everything, have to use superglue, said it would ruin the interior pretty
bad.  We both decided that that extreme wasnt necessary.

First thing I do when I get it back is alarm system.  Any advice concerning
how to make sure it is fixed "right" will be appreciated.

Jeff Dick
jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
86 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops (stolen once, never twice)

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:28:07 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

>      "Reason to not party anymore"-
>>> >> > >>>> >
>>> >>      This guy went out last Saturday night to a party.  He was
>>> >> having a good time, had a couple of beers and some girl seemed to
>>> >> like him and invited him to go to another party.  He quickly
>>> >> agreed and decided to go along with her.  She took him to a party
>>> >> in some apartment and they continued to drink, and even got
>>> involved
>>> >> with
>>> >> some other drugs (unknown which).
>>> >>      The next thing he knew, he woke up completely naked in a
>>> >> bathtub filled with ice.  He was still feeling the effects of the
>>> drugs,
>>> >> but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down at his chest,
>>> >> which
>>> >> had "CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE" written on it in lipstick.
>>> >> He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it up
>>> and
>>> >> dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation was and
>>> >> that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was
>>> really
>>> >> calling.
>>> >>      She advised him to get  out of the tub.  He did, and she asked
>>> him
>>> >> to look himself over in  the mirror.
>>> >>      He did, and appeared normal, so she told him to check his
>>> back.
>>> >>      He did, only to find two 9 inch slits on his lower back. She
>>> told
>>> >> him to get back in the tub immediately, and they sent a rescue team
>>> >> over.
>>> >>      Apparently, after being examined, he found out more of what
>>> had
>>> >> happened. His kidneys were stolen.
>>> >>     They are worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market.  (I was
>>> >> unaware this even existed.) Several guesses are in order:
>>> >>
>>> >>  The second party was a sham, the people involved had to be at
>>> least
>>> >>  medical students, and it was not just recreational drugs he was
>>> >>  given.
>>> >>     Regardless, he is currently in the  hospital on life support,
>>> >> awaiting a spare kidney. The University of Texas in conjunction
>>> >> with Baylor University Medical Center is conducting tissue research
>>> to
>>> >> match the sophomore student with a donor.
>>> >>     I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting
>>> business
>>> >> travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very
>>> skilled
>>> >> personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently very
>>> >> active in New Orleans.  The crime begins when a business traveler
>>> goes
>>> >> to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day.  A person in
>>> the
>>> >> bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a
>>> >> drink.  The last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in
>>> a
>>> >> hotel room bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is
>>> >> sipping
>>> >> that drink.
>>> >>     There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not to move
>>> and
>>> >> to call 911.  A phone is on a small table next to the bathtub for
>>> them
>>> >> to call.  The business traveler calls 911 who have become quite
>>> >> familiar with this crime.  The business traveler is instructed by
>>> the
>>> >> 911
>>> >> operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them and feel if
>>> >> there is a tube protruding from their lower back.  The business
>>> traveler
>>> >> finds the tube and answers, "Yes."  The 911 operator tells them to
>>> >> remain
>>> >> still, having already sent paramedics to help.
>>> >>      The operator knows that both of the business traveler's
>>> kidneys
>>> >> have
>>> >> been harvested.
>>> >>      This is not a scam or out of a science fiction novel, it is
>>> real.
>>> >> It is documented and confirmable.  If you travel or someone close
>>> to you
>>> >> travels, please be careful.
>>> >>      Sadly, this is very true.  My husband is a Houston
>>> Firefighter/EMT
>>> >> and they have received alerts regarding this crime ring.  It is to
>>> >> be taken very seriously.  The daughter of a friend of a fellow
>>> >> firefighter had this happen to her.  Skilled doctor's are
>>> performing
>>> >> these crimes! (which, by the way have been highly noted in the Las
>>> >> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts
>>> >> regarding this.  This story blew me away.  I really want as many
>>> people
>>> >> to
>>> >> see this as possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >
>>> >>
>>> >>

==============================================================
Robin S. Conlin
Vit. K Lab
HNRC at Tufts University
711 Washington St.
Boston, MA 02111
(617) 556-3088
conlin_vk@hnrc.tufts.edu

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:34:36 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Slapped!

If it's something you just happened to ~notice~ on a car, it's
something different.  The coil spring traction bars are actually upper
control arm positioners.  You don't see 'em unless you crawl under the
car and actually look way up there.  I'm giggling uncontrollably at
the though of someone putting leaf-style traction bars on a che*elle.
That's truly amusing...

!!!!!!!!!!!
STRANGE but true! They DO make slapper-style bars for the GM coil
spring A-bodies.......look in the Summit or Jeg's catalog! I've heard
they work great but would prefer the stealth of the upper control arm
relocation type of traction device.

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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