
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 16 1997      Volume 01 : Number 908



Re: dessicant?
Re: dessicant?
Re: no light ????
Re: '64 N98 Chrome Wheels
The list people and W Machines name
UNBOUNCE: Dessicant
Re: dessicant?
discoveries?
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
Re: Oil Plug size, 72 to 75 455 (9/16 to 7/8)
Re: MY day at the races
70 Delta 88 in AZ
Re: 68 Bumble bee stripe- location of numerals- drolds ? on page #
Re: distributors
Re: Build Sheet
Joe's x-ram intake
Re: FS Rallye 350
Re: any really fast olds out there??
Part for 1968
Re: dessicant?
Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)
Re: Radiator
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Re: SS II Wheels 
Re: SS II Wheels 
Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)
Re: 70 Delta 88 in AZ
My Car's on MCC need your Vote
The list people and W Machines name
RE: Blown head gaskets on N2O (was: Hey guys!!...)
Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote
Re: Edelbrock heads
Re: Edelbrock heads
Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote
Re: Joe's x-ram intake
Re[2]: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...
Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake
Black 71 SX (was CCR All Olds Show)
Re: Concerning 350's and 455's
Re: real '72 442
TPI info
Computer Command Control 350
Re: Sunday at the Races - the results
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
Re: Blown head gaskets on N2O (was: Hey guys!!...)
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
"UNSUBSCRIBE"
Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
Re: rope main seals
Re: Computer Command Control 350
RE: real '72 442
Repairing and Paiting Plastic Grilles
'84 H/O rough idle followup
Re: Radiator
Re: '84 H/O rough idle followup
394: how similar to 303/324/371? to 330/425?
Re: Dave Smith Engineering
403 anyone???
Re: rope main seals
Re: distributors
Re: Sunday at the Races - the results
Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:14:35 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: dessicant?

An old trick that I learned from my grandmother and an inquisitive mind:
Why do you put rice in the salt shaker? To keep the salt from absorbing
water and clogging up. A few lbs. of rice in something such as a small
burlap bag or an old flour sack just might do the trick. Don't use Uncle
Ben's or any of the prepared(pre-cooked and dried) rice, just plain old
white rice. Being from the south does have some advantages !!!
Rob
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Tue, 14 Oct 1997 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Jon442@aol.com writes:
>I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as 
>they are
>blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of 
>the
>motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at 
>this
>rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.
>
>Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
>dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat 
>shop?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jon Wessel
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 19:24:11 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: dessicant?

I have had some experiences with WD40 actually causing corrosion. In
addition, the Navy won't let their mechanics use that stuff on their
aircraft for the same reason. Corrosion is a BIG thing with the Navy and
their aircraft and it was drilled into my head over my 20 years of
service. I wouldn't recommend the WD40 trick.
Rob 
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Wed, 15 Oct 1997 11:14:18 -0500 "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
writes:
>>I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as 
>they are
>>blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all 
>of the
>>motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at 
>this
>>rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.
>
>I'm having problems again with the Digest getting truncated before it
>reaches me so this may have mentioned already, but: WD-40 is designed
>to be a protective anti-corrosion coating for metal, among its other
>uses. (WD = Water Displacement) Assuming the pieces will be cleaned
>anyway just prior to powdercoating, maybe WD-40 would be a good cheap
>way to protect them in the meantime.
>
>(Also Re: this truncation problem I'm having, if anyone had an
>electrical question aimed at me and I didn't respond, please send
>me a copy directly.)
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 20:38:51 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: no light ????

At 02:49 PM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Boys and Girls,
>
>		I just acquired a second 67' era 4 speed console and I have a question.
>Both consoles have a lens in the back of the unit but neither one had
>any form of light assy. What's the story ?????
>
>				The General
>
General

        The light harnesses are missing. They are all suppose to have the
light in the rear.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:32:43 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '64 N98 Chrome Wheels

J. Hoekendijk wrote:
> Were there any optional Chrome wheels in 1964?
> If so, what's the code or part# for them and even more important, where
> can I buy them? (haha, I know, not at the 7-11).

Now, don't hold me to this, 'cause I just learned that '61 Starfires had
stripes on the sides of the tops, but I think the N98 Chrome wheel
option was a late availability '65 option only.  This option disappeared
for '66, and I don't believe it was available in '64.  Even it they were
available in '64, I doubt they were a station wagon option.  But you
should be able to put wire spinners on your '64, they seemed to be a
popular option on Vista-Cruisers from the photos I've seen.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:50:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: The list people and W Machines name

In a message dated 97-10-15 10:36:54 EDT, you write:
<< Kurt Shubert
 Wickliffe OH
 W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
 
 '65 JetStar 1,  factory 4-speed, posi, build sheet
 '66 442 Sport Coupe,  4-speed
 '66 442 F-85 Deluxe, factory Tri-Carb
 '70 Toronado GT W-34, 4-Sale
 '92 Achieva SCX W-41,  Centennial parade car
 '90 Trofeo, VIC computer. daily driver
  >>
Uh-Oh, there is another W-MACHINE on the list.  Well, my friends I am
here to say, do not confuse me with Mr. Shubert,  Nice car corral of cars 
I have to admit he has. I am here to say my address is still
wmachines@aol.com
and my car corral consists of

Mark Prince
Detroit Mi 
Two 72 442 W-30's  X in the vin codes, one 4spd, one auto
94 Cutlass Supreme 4 dr driver  automatic
71 Cutlass Supreme beater car automatic 
72 Cutlass S  automatic
90 Quad 442 five speed
And was at the Centennial, racing under the Lansing Center located in GG
section
and do on occasion race one of the W-30s.     ET 12.183   @ 109.986 MPH.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:58:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Dessicant

Forwarding... majord*mo had a problem with Larry's address, which I've 
fixed (FYI Larry).

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Laurence Simpson" <LaurenceSimpson@classic.msn.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: dessicant?
Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>

Jon:

	Try the CAR JACKET Company at 1-800-5-CARBAG.  Besides selling neat "baggies" 
to put your whole car, they will also seperately sell you dessicant.  You can 
buy it in a metal canister (for car storage use), or in plastic baggies.

	Larry Simpson, HOCA #514

- ----------
From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Jon442@aol.com
Sent: 	Tuesday, October 14, 1997 9:24 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	dessicant?

I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as they are
blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of the
motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at this
rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.

Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat shop?

Thanks,

Jon Wessel

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:00:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

To stop the rusting, what about some sort of spray oil product, not 
necessarily WD-40? Thinking of either a product like Rust Check, or an 
oil fogger that they use to spray into carbs for engines that are being 
laid up? I think I've seen this in marine supply places.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:12:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: discoveries?

Ah, the chase that keeps the blood pumping...

Got one of those calls the other day, from a flier I handed out a while back.
The guy has a couple of 455's in the barn, which he needs to move. Was gonna
use 'em for this or that, but now doesn't care anymore. Doesn't know what the
head ID's are, both are supposed to be '71 or '72 Big Car motors, with transes
attached. Hey, the only forged crank I've ever seen was from... a '71-2 D88
motor! Hmmmmm.... Oh, and the one motor's only previous owner was a guy whose
son worked for Olds Experimental... Heh, heh, heh... the acticipation builds.

Spotted a 67 Cutlass? 442? in a garage on the way to work the other day...
Today the door was open and the hood up, stopped to say hi, leave a flier.
Turns out it's a 442, and might be for sale...

67 442 convertible. Yellow/Yellow. Odd Camaro sport wheels. New interior. UHV
ignition box on the inner fender. Rallye Pack gages. Paint looks good at 20
feet, shows some flaws closer. CCC air cleaner, on a 4V carb on a smogger
J-head 455. HEI, not sure how hooked to UHV ignition or what. Heavy duty
cooling. Needs trim finishing, windshield chrome, underhood cleaning,
suspension rebuild, etc. Said to run & drive as is. Needs bumpers rechromed.
Hole where radio used to be. Needs visor replaced or repaired. AT, on the
column, I think, though has bucket seats. Power top. Needs glovebox lid. Good
tires.
  Cursory examination revealed some repaired rust, but not a lot. This would be
a great project for someone to adopt & finish. Get correct wheels, Correct or
pre-smog 455 motor, etc. My brother has already expressed an interest, to go w/
his other 67 442. Candidate for the tri-carb setup?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:31:41 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

- -----Original Message-----
From: babbott@pdnt.com <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Any Olds guys in IL??

Well I'm about a mile from Il. Davenport Ia.

Daren 

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:35:28 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Plug size, 72 to 75 455 (9/16 to 7/8)

- -----Original Message-----
From: David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
>My '77 takes a 7/8" socket. I think all Olds V-8 oil pans use a 7/8"
>socket.

I know that at least '65 and '66 425s use 1/2" ratchet (no socket).

Daren

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:45:37 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: MY day at the races

- -----Original Message-----
From: Adcock, Jason K. <jadcock@vt.edu>


>No, I didn't.  It seems that folks didn't like my little parody about how
>if I'd take MY car to the races,

I didn't mind it. When I originally read it I thought you actually raced it.
I guess I need to start getting more sleep this 5-6 hour stuff just isn't
cutting it.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:43:05 +0000
From: "David Wilk" <dww@lbbc.lb.com>
Subject: 70 Delta 88 in AZ

I picked up the phone number from the list - thanks to the poster - 
and asked my sister in law to call on this car (it's a 2 door 70 D88) 
- - all I know so far is that the car is supposed to be in near perfect 
shape.  Sister in law will go drive the car tomorrow, and report 
back.  Asking price is $2500.  I'm assuming mileage on car is plus 
100K as AZ cars are typically driven many miles.  Any thoughts from 
the list on value?  I'm suggesting offering $1600 for a quick sale 
and see what happens.  I'd fly to Tucson and drive east this winter.

Advice and ideas always helpful from this 
group of olds junkies.

David Wilk
OCA 4517

note new email address, have fled AOL
David Wilk
Managing Director
LPC Group: InBook - Login Trade- Womensource
website: coolbooks.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:49:09 -0400
From: Dave Heilala <dheilala@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: 68 Bumble bee stripe- location of numerals- drolds ? on page #

The stripe was known as a W36 option and came also as part of of the W30
package on 4400 series cars. The 442 numerals were more rearward than a
non stripe 442 as others have mentioned and were also lower on the
fender. Sheet 11-105 in the 68 Product Information Manual shows the
different fender piercing for the W36 and the W30 location for the
numerals, but unfortunately doesn't have any dimensions.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 22:59:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Crown14@aol.com
Subject: Re: distributors

In a message dated 97-10-14 00:46:58 EDT, you write:

<<  I will trade a points distributor for a good HEI... >>

<Why not just get a Malory Unilite conversion. It installs in about 1 hour
<and will work with your stock plugs, wires, and coil 

Tell me the advantages of using a Mallory Unilite.... are they similar to the
benefits of switching to HEI?

Joel 
1972 Cutlass S
350 4v

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:53:10 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> >Where do you find the Build Sheet(s) everyone is talking about?>What
> information is given on the Build Sheet?
> >Is it only specific to that particular vehicle?>
> 
> They can be anywhere a auto line worker might have stuck them.  Popular
> places are; above the gas tank, in door panels, under the back seat, under
> the front seats, under the seat backs, under the dash, under the console,
> under the carpet and so on and so on...
> 
> The build sheet, (approx. 8-1/2" x 5" in size), tells info about options an
> other interior related things.
> 
> Yes, each car has it's own build sheet.  A "birth certificate" if you will.
> (I stole that one from somebody on the list)  :)
> 
>
Test drove a '98 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP (I know, it's not Olds, but at
least it's GM and it doesn't have a bow tie...) today...special order
from the factory for a customer who has since passed on the salesman
told me...and what is sitting there on the passenger floor??  TWO 8 1/2"
x 11" build sheets!!  I grabbed 'em and took a look.  Had all kinds of
delineated boxes for options etc. with the codes in them, as well as a
full list of all options codes associated with the vehicle.  So sorry to
say, for us later model guys, seems like stuff like that might just get
tossed at the dealer during prep for delivery instead of hidden
somewhere in the car...

thought someone might be interested....
- -- 
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

P.S. - The GTP was a very nice ride....as much as I hate to day it, I
might be driving one soon...

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:02:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Joe's x-ram intake

Joe, you have a cross-ram intake, and the only thing preventing its use is
dist'r interference?

Wow, I'd be at the mill  modifying a dist'r or fitting a crank-triggered
system.

Say, this place I work now, they have a large building not being used much
right now, machine shop area is about 40 x 60 ft., has about 8-10 huge CNC
mills sitting there idle. Each one holds 60 different tools. So... anybody
wanna make some billet rocker arm covers? :-) Solid aluminum motor?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 21:06:12 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: FS Rallye 350

Hey Dave,
Did the car have the chromed lower control arms? And I think sway bar also?

> In the local paper there has been an ad for a Rallye 350.  Last evening
> I stumbled across the car by chance.  I was able to look it over inside
> (snip details of a decent car with an insane asking price)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:21:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: any really fast olds out there??

In a message dated 97-10-15 10:40:28 EDT, you write:

<< I go 12.20  and I want to go faster!!!!! Tell me what ya got and how ya
got
 there.
 Thanks,Eric.
 babbott@pdnt.com
  >>
Best E>T thus far is 12.18 @ 109.98 MPH in my 72 442 W-30 with 455 punched
over .030 and no NOS.  if you like to see the engine specs email me

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
two 72 442 W-30's

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlassHoteI@aol.com
Subject: Part for 1968

I needed to know of any place I could contact for availability of a driver's
door steel moulding for a 1968 or 1969 Cutlass.  I was shipping one to
someone and our friends at UPS managed to bend it, even though it was packed
tightly in a 1/8" cardboard roll.  Any help would be appreciated.  Please
send responses to glasshotei@aol.com (that's an "eye" at the end) as I get
the Olds digest and don't want to miss any letters.  Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 15:07:10 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: dessicant?

John,

  I've got about 800 lbs of desiccant laying around my lab.  If you're
in the Chicago area I'd be more than happy to give you a gallon jug that
will more than serve your needs.  If not, call the place you're having
coat your parts and ask them what is acceptable.  If they'll take 'em
with minor surface oxidation or with a light coat of oil or WD-40 just
do that.  Anyway, the offer stands.  Later.


Paul Brillhart
'65 442 4-spd.


Jon442@aol.com wrote:

> I am sandblasting some parts, and putting them in baggies as soon as
> they are
> blasted, but they are rusting in the baggies. I'm trying to get all of
> the
> motor brackets blasted so I can take them to be powdercoated, but at
> this
> rate they will all be rusty again before I can get them all finished.
>
> Anyone have an idea of anything I can put in the baggies to use as a
> dessicant until I can get them all blasted and taken to the powdercoat
> shop?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Wessel

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 14:36:57 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)

>  This could be an interesting thread.  Who's got the slowest stock
> (good
>  running, in good tune) Olds?  :-)

> 
> Well, my '81 Cutlass with the 260, and 2.29's in it, would most likely
> qualify pretty low.  But I had to ruin it all, and put in the 350, and
> now a
> 455.  

That's exactly how the Rockit started out (before earning the
nickname!)  Except it got a 403 between the 350 and 455...   And two
425's after that... With the 260/2.29's, I'd run high (I mean ~high~)
18's at around 75 mph.  Of course, the ~one~ mile races were a bit
different, and when I dumped the 350 in there (with 2.29's) the 20 mile
races went by pretty quick!  Seems like I was always the first one to
get there, too, even on 'er last race (11 miles, middle of night,
alcohol injected (unfortunately ~not~ the car --  I've wisened much
since youth!) I was ~still~ was one of the first ones to town.  I had to
coast the last mile, and had to switch cars when I finally stopped, but
I was ~still~ one of the first to town :)  Kinda screwed up on ~that~
one.  Never race a car after your engine compartment's been vandalized. 
- --Oh, and never drive drunk...  That probably played as much of a role,
as well :(
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:21:13 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Radiator

>> << ins are green... :p ), but looks up something in his book and says he can
>>  give me a brand-new Modine unit with lifetime warranty for $132, and yes,
>>  it's in stock. >>
>
>Hey there,
>
>While your at it, could you look up the cost for a new radiator
>for a 70 cutlass 350/auto...

OK, ok, folks, not that I'm opposed to helping out my fellow Oldsmobilers,
but there is nothing special about this little shop I went to, except for
the fact that they are near my house. I suppose I could call them up and get
price quotes for everybody and their radiators, but this is just a local
place, and I don't think that they'd have a clue as to how to respond to a
bunch of requests from across the USA and Canada, asking them to mail a few
radiators cross-country.

Besides, shipping costs would offset any savings you'd possibly get over
buying a radiator locally.

My point was this: don't assume that the "discount" auto stores give the
biggest discounts. Call a local established radiator shop, and compare their
radiator prices with those of the larger chain stores you're familiar with;
you might be pleasantly surprised.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 21:11:02 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Uh, Is this a trick question?

I'm in Terre Haute, IN approx 4  miles from the IL border.
I'm originally from Bolingbrook, near Naperville, and I do get back home on occasion.
What do I win!  :-)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 97 21:26:12 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...

>      the rear edge of the fender at the bottom.  I have seen pictures of
>      cars where the stripe was added to a non-stripe 442 (emblems in the
>      original location) and it is pretty obvious at the bottom of the 
>      fender.  Olds even did this on one of there very early 68 press cars,
>      as there are pictures of this car (red with orange stripes) with the
>      Michigan manufacturer's plates bearing the number "00-00-00".  Look at
>      the bottom of the front fenders and you can see that the stripe hits
>      the wheelwell chrome.  Later cars (my 68 W-30 included) have a
>      significant gap at that point (stripe is about 1-2" aft of the
>      chrome).

Ah, you wouldn't be talking about the pictures on p61 of the Oldsmobile 4-4-2 & W-Machine Restoration Guide by T. Patrick Sullivan would you??  As it has a picture from the Olds History Center with the stripe moved back (significant gap between stripe and wheel well chrome).  And a picture from Phil Kunz/Bill Holder with the stripe more forward on the fender (chrome and stripe meet at bottom of fender)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:12:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SS II Wheels 

I'd gladly trade you a set of 5 SSII's for a set of 4 SSI's.  Too bad your
sister's got em for free.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:14:02 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SS II Wheels 

I have a set of 5 - they need cleaning up but include trim rings/caps.

Let me know if the other guy isn't selling his - or if I'm closer (Calif).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:26:17 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Trans Troubles (fwd)

Haven't been able to determine if the modulator is bad on the VC or not.
Also, when the governor cover is removed, how do you determine if the
plastic gear is history - does it pull out?

And as only *my* luck would have it - my '64 is pulling the SAME thing -
won't shift out of 1st, again no matter how far its wound out (although I'm
not winding them past - oh 3700 rpm or so) except its the  2 speed and
looks to have been replaced sometime in the recent past.  Went through all
the vacuum hookups today and none appeared faulty & out & out replaced the
VC's.

Any suggestions?!

I'm runnin' out of cars to drive.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 21:20:44 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 70 Delta 88 in AZ

Picked up an Auto Trader Old Car Trader today - talk about high pricing!  A
'67 Delta 88 that looked to be in close condition to mine (#2) at $4500,
Cutlass S's and 4-4-2's in the $12k range - too many overblown prices to
list but some nice looking cars.

I'd go for $1600 and see how *badly* she balks at lowering it, you can
always go up ~ slowly!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:40:06 -0700
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: My Car's on MCC need your Vote

Hi Everyone, I hope you get a chance to support another list members
car. My 1962 Starfire is on My Classic Car for Oct.15 thru Oct.22,1997.
It's nice to have another Oldsmobile represented in the My Classic Car
Contest.Thank You fo your support Larry Polesnak......
    Here is the address to vote.........
     " http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml "
       6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: The list people and W Machines name

In a message dated 97-10-15 10:36:54 EDT, you write:
<< Kurt Shubert
 Wickliffe OH
 W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
 
 '65 JetStar 1,  factory 4-speed, posi, build sheet
 '66 442 Sport Coupe,  4-speed
 '66 442 F-85 Deluxe, factory Tri-Carb
 '70 Toronado GT W-34, 4-Sale
 '92 Achieva SCX W-41,  Centennial parade car
 '90 Trofeo, VIC computer. daily driver
  >>
Uh-Oh, there is another W-MACHINE on the list.  Well, my friends I am
here to say, do not confuse me with Mr. Shubert,  Nice car corral of cars 
I have to admit he has. I am here to say my address is still
wmachines@aol.com
and my car corral consists of

Mark Prince
Detroit Mi 
Two 72 442 W-30's  X in the vin codes, one 4spd, one auto
94 Cutlass Supreme 4 dr driver  automatic
71 Cutlass Supreme beater car automatic 
72 Cutlass S  automatic
90 Quad 442 five speed
And was at the Centennial, racing under the Lansing Center located in GG
section
and do on occasion race one of the W-30s.     ET 12.183   @ 109.986 MPH.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:12:59 -0400
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: RE: Blown head gaskets on N2O (was: Hey guys!!...)

On Wednesday, October 15, 1997 10:11 AM, babbott@pdnt.com
> Hey fellers,
> I've got a 70 supreme with a 455,9.75 compression and 250hp nos system
> blows head gaskets all day long.......why??  Eric Phillips

I'd guess that you're getting detonation from leaning the engine out too
much with the N2O shot. What does your normal cranking compression read in
your cylinders ? What is your fuel delivery system to the nitrous system's
fuel solenoid ? If it has replaceable fuel jets (which I'd assume most
250hp kits would) have you tried richening the mixture ? What octane fuel
are you running ? How much timing ? Are you running a retard box to pull
back timing when the N2O system activates ?

Rich

- -----
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http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 1997 23:23:40 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote

Larry Polesnak wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone, I hope you get a chance to support another list members
> car. My 1962 Starfire is on My Classic Car for Oct.15 thru
> Oct.22,1997.

Done.  Tough call, though.  That 442's pretty sweet too.

    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 00:39:55 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads

babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> 
> Hey fellers,
> Anybody  got any new info on the new olds heads??    price??? availability??


No new news as of today.  I will be attending the Revell Nats. at
the Texas Motorplex on Sat. and intend on cornering one of the reps.

Hopefully more info coming soon.

I did hear a "rumor" (not verified) that Edelbrock may publish the 
specs on the heads.

If anyone wants my compilation of mail to the Edelbrock BBS
concerning the heads, email and I will reply back.

Forrest Johnson
johnson@edisongroup.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:05:53 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads

> I did hear a "rumor" (not verified) that Edelbrock may publish the
> specs on the heads.

Long night.  The rest should read : at the SEMA show in Los Vegas
(nov.4).

I think it's time to ........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZ

Forrest

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 01:31:39 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote

Charlie Buehner wrote:

>Larry Polesnak wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Everyone, I hope you get a chance to support another list members
>> car. My 1962 Starfire is on My Classic Car for Oct.15 thru
>> Oct.22,1997.
>
>Done.  Tough call, though.  That 442's pretty sweet too.
  
Yeah, I voted for Larry's '62, also.  I believe Greg B. was right:  they're
placing two Olds on the page to split the vote.  (At least I THINK it was
Greg B. :-)

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html   (Updated by Bryceman 9/18/97)
http://wcbi.com   

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 02:22:41 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Joe's x-ram intake

Joe, you have a cross-ram intake, and the only thing preventing its use is 
dist'r interference?
     
Wow, I'd be at the mill  modifying a dist'r or fitting a crank-triggered 
system.
     
     Chris,
     
     I didn't say that was the only thing preventing me from using it at 
     the moment.  :-)
     
     As you are well aware, things like life sometimes get in the way of 
     priorities like getting the crossram on a car (divorce:  the gift that 
     keeps on giving...).  Of course, besides the financial problems, 
     there's the little issue of free time (like for about the next six 
     months, I'll be spending most of my time on the west coast, making it 
     difficult to devote a lot of time to wrenching.  And the new wife and 
     family have this unreasonable idea that during the few days that I'm 
     home, they'd actually like to see me!  And there's the little matter 
     that in the list of priorities related to the cars, building a garage 
     to enclose them (and thus slowing down that old entropy thing which is 
     causing them to return to their base elements) is probably a few 
     notches higher than installing the crossram and watching it turn into 
     aluminum oxide.
     
     Of course, the _real_ problem is finding a car on which to install it 
     (I'll bet I get a lot of sympathy on _this_ one!).  Let's face it:  of 
     the four I have today, the 66 already has a tripower, the 68 W-30 and 
     69 H/O will be restored to stock, and the 70 W-30, while modified, 
     will also have a stock intake.  Before the ex got the 71 with the tilt 
     front end, the plan was to put the manifold on that one.  The two 
     carbs line up nicely with the O.A.I. scoops (the one-piece front end 
     obviously didn't have the air box), requiring only a little sheet 
     aluminum fabrication to properly duct the air.  I figure at some point 
     I'll need to get another 71 or 72 to fill out the collection and add 
     one of the repro hoods when I install the crossram.  The other option 
     is a 65 442, which is conveniently exempt from smog inspections in 
     every single state.  Of course, I'd always envisioned a 65 with the 
     injector stacks from my Algon fuel injection manifold sticking through 
     the hood.  (Oh, did I neglect to mention _that_ one?)  As you can see, 
     life is full of tough decisions.  ;-)
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 97 02:28:49 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 68 442 bumble bee hood stripe...

Ah, you wouldn't be talking about the pictures on p61 of the Oldsmobile 4-4-2 & 
W-Machine Restoration Guide by T. Patrick Sullivan would you??  As it has a 
picture from the Olds History Center with the stripe moved back (significant gap
between stripe and wheel well chrome).  And a picture from Phil Kunz/Bill Holder
with the stripe more forward on the fender (chrome and stripe meet at bottom of 
fender)
     
Chris Smetana

     Well, yes, those.  But I was also talking about the Quicksilver 
     Oldsmobile, the Performance Years book by Marty Schorr, which has a 
     color picture of this factory 68 press car on the cover.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30 (whose stripe does _not_ touch the chrome)
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     
     By the way, 
     

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 03:27:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Dual Snorkel Intake

In a message dated 97-10-14 10:15:34 EDT, you write:

<< > snug between the inner fender and a shield facing the ground.  This
picked
 > up a slight ram-air effect while driving (on a cool night the hose and
 > snorkel are cold after driving).
 
 I am a little confused.  A fellow coworker informs me that cold air
 coming
 into the carb is not good.  He says that compressed air is what needs to
 come
 in.  Which is it? >>


Ram Air or compressed air is good.  Cold air is good.  Both are good so 
cold, compressed air is very good....TIM

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:05:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Black 71 SX (was CCR All Olds Show)

You wrote

>By the way, there was a 71 Cutlass SX for sale there, black with white
interior,
>very nice condition, for sale at $6,000 firm.  From what I saw this was a
good
>deal.  I called the phone number on the car, never got a call back.  Anyone
at
>the show know anything about this car? Did it get sold on the spot?
>

Hi Todd -

The "very nice" black and white 71 SX is still for sale.

I'm scratching my head about the message you said you left, because I have
not gotten any messages since Sunday about my car.  Believe me, I've been
checking!  

In fact, I've been mystified by the complete lack of calls.  Judging by the
interest in the car on Sunday, I was expecting to be deluged with calls and
offers.   My wife Tait told me that a lot of people wrote the phone number
down.  Unfortunately, I was so busy with judging and buying another car - '65
Cutlass - that I was barely able to spend any time with my car, talking to
potential buyers.  

I'm wondering what's wrong.  What phone # did you call?  Did you get my
answering machine?  

Anyway, are you interested in the car?  We can talk by email or by phone.  My
number is (703) 444-3719.  

I look forward to telling you all about the car.

Tom Simmons
Great Falls, VA

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 04:16:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Concerning 350's and 455's

I have both, a 350 and a 455, both warmed over and both in 68 Converts.
Although the 455 is more [powerful] motor than the 350, the 350 doesnt 
have near the mods you referred to doing to yours and I have no problem
playing with 5.0s and Cam*ros. And the best difference is I get 17 mpg
from the 350 compared to *yuck* mpg with the 455, both are 4 speed
posi rear cars with similar rear end ratios. I think the bottom line is what
willmake you happy, revving the 350 or feeling the torque of the big block.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 05:15:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: DDMRACER@aol.com
Subject: Re: real '72 442

 
Hey all
         i'm new to the list and new to 442s. my question is how can i tell
a real '72 442 from a fake? 

Duane
67 Chevelle
67 Camaro
72 442 (i hope)

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:17:21 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: TPI info

Well, I finally got word back from the guy who said he could do the TPI
setup for $1700.  It's a No.  Guess he just thought every 350 engine is
a Che*y or something like that.  The only people who can actually do it
were Street&Performance, but, as I mentioned before, for $4500 give or
take a little.  
My 350 needs a rebuild and while I am at it, I was going to change a
couple of things.  I thought of an aluminum intake, maybe a Carter carb,
cam (but I'm not sure what specs yet)... Anything you guys think would
make a good addition/substitution?  Mind you, this is a daily driver and
not a race car.  More low end torque would be my key goal, engine
operating range up to 5000rpm.
Ingmar Ott

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:38:32 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Computer Command Control 350

I have an 85 Cutlass with a Rocket 350 (77 to be specific) with all the
CCC from the 307.  It runs and starts fine, gets 18-19 mpg city/highway
mileage, so no real problems, but when I am passing, the car really is
not thrilled about revving up in 2nd gear much past 70 mph.  First is
the same way, But it will see 55 mph in 1st, 70 in second (out of
breath), allow it to shift and she takes off again.  But power is at a
low eng RPM.  I have a stock THM200C and the Bonneville Salt Flats 2.14
gears with P205 75 14's.  What rpm should I be at in 2nd at 65-70 mph?
Should I be running out of breath?  The carb is now a E4ME, as in
Electric choke, the secondary lockout is defeated as well.  The SHOULD
be opening.  It is open all the way.  The primary vacuum break is new,
and a matching one to the electric choke, it opens quickly.  

What tension should be on the secondary air valve spring?  Mine had
never been tampered with, but it had loosened up on its own, and started
to hang the air valve open when the eng is off.  Unless the 307 carb is
supposed to be that way.  The tang the limits the air valve has also
been "adjusted" to allow proper 4BBL operation under WOT.  

Am I missing something?  I have a stone stock 85 307 exhaust except for
the tailpipe.  It is a VERY quiet exhaust.  I have though about dropping
the cat to see if it is plugged.  But that will require a couple of
weeks, as I am moving this week.

Thanks for any help!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 07:51:35 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: Sunday at the Races - the results

>Congratulations ! Many of those MPHs were good enough for mid-high 13
>second runs had you had some traction. Looks like your 70 is running pretty
>well. Did you bump the timing up a little and run some race gas or were you
>running in purely street trim ? What did you wind up shifting at, 5000 ?

Shifting around 5k.  Didnt changing the timing, but its way advanced already.
Ran 93 octane w/ a bottle of octane booster.

>>'86 turbo Regal... 13.676@98.58mph

>Aside from the coil pack, what else was wrong with it ? :-)

First time race driver.  None of us are pro's at this. :-)

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com
Grayslake, ILL

1970 442  4-Speed

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:40:47 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Tuscola IL

- ----------
> From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 3:56 PM
> 
> Yeah- Champaign, and Stockton
> 
> At 11:30 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:51:16 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Blown head gaskets on N2O (was: Hey guys!!...)

Stock fuel system......I guess my question is answered
My christmas list includes a fuel cell, a couple of pumps and a retard box
- ----------
> From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Blown head gaskets on N2O (was: Hey guys!!...)
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 11:12 PM
> 
> On Wednesday, October 15, 1997 10:11 AM, babbott@pdnt.com
> > Hey fellers,
> > I've got a 70 supreme with a 455,9.75 compression and 250hp nos system
> > blows head gaskets all day long.......why??  Eric Phillips
> 
> I'd guess that you're getting detonation from leaning the engine out too
> much with the N2O shot. What does your normal cranking compression read
in
> your cylinders ? What is your fuel delivery system to the nitrous
system's
> fuel solenoid ? If it has replaceable fuel jets (which I'd assume most
> 250hp kits would) have you tried richening the mixture ? What octane fuel
> are you running ? How much timing ? Are you running a retard box to pull
> back timing when the N2O system activates ?
> 
> Rich
> 
> -----
> rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
> http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker
> 

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:47:10 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

455,9.75(or so) compression, 250hp NOS, 70 Cutlass,3.90 gear
It only goes 13.40 off the spray......I want to go faster!!!!
- ----------
> From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??
> Date: Wednesday, October 15, 1997 2:58 PM
> 
> babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> 
> 
>   Yeah, there's alot of us.  I'm in the Chicago area.  By the way, what
> engine and what else are you running  to be turning 12.20's with a JM
> 20-22 cam?  Later.
> 
>   Paul Brillhart
>   1965 442 4-spd.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:56:41 -0400
From: Ron Smith <ronsmith@neumedia.net>
Subject: "UNSUBSCRIBE"

Please take my address off of your mailing list.
Thank you in advance.

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:02:53 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Any Olds guys in IL??

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: babbott@pdnt.com <babbott@pdnt.com>
> Subject: Any Olds guys in IL??
> 
I'm on the North side of Chicago and I know of a few others around here
who aren't on the list any more.

- -- 
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:13:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: rope main seals

throw away the rope seals,their junk,  go with the neoprean seals.
 mondello`s has them , part # MS-160 fit`s 400,425,455, and 350 diesel.
   ph. #  1-800-252-2527     the price is about 10$,  but worth it!
      just a side note, many years back before neoprean seals came out for
olds i read a article (hot rod i think) in witch they used one for a 460
ford.      perfect fit!    hope this helps,  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:34:55 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Computer Command Control 350

Thomas Martin wrote:
> 
> I have an 85 Cutlass with a Rocket 350 (77 to be specific) with all the
> CCC from the 307.  It runs and starts fine, gets 18-19 mpg city/highway
> mileage, so no real problems, but when I am passing, the car really is
> not thrilled about revving up in 2nd gear much past 70 mph.  First is
> the same way, But it will see 55 mph in 1st, 70 in second (out of
> breath), allow it to shift and she takes off again.

My 84 Cutlass with a bone stock 307 will not rev much past 70, either.  I
have the THM-200-C, with 2.29 posi gears.  If I keep my foot in the
trottle, I can get it up to about 75 mph in second, but that is really
pushing it.  70 mph in second gear is at least 4500 rpm, isn't it?  Maybe
these pushrod engines just won't pull at high rpm like they will at low
rpm.  I have similar results with my 307; I think that's just the way it
is.  Is there a set rpm where the transmission will shift and, if so, have
you taken yours out?  I can't get my Cutlass to 55 in first gear.  I can
get it to maybe 45.  I know that I have shorter gears than you, but not
THAT much shorter!  I, too, have the E4ME carburetor, also bone stock. 
What does the cat look like, regarding the tube style?  Is it like a
glasspack type muffler, with a tube running through it and reactants
surrounding the tube, or is is "solid", where the exhaust has to filter
through stuff?  The question is hard to phrase, so if you don't know what
I'm talking about, I'll try to re-phrase it.  Thanks.

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:48:14 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: real '72 442

Every now and then this topic seems to surface. And every now and then
this topic seems to last a long time and most times than not, people
offend others. Duane, I don't to discourage you, only want you to be
prepared by the fall out. Who knows, I might be surprised this time
around and nothing will happen.

O.K. to give you an answer after all this bable..In '72 and IMOO (in my
own opinion) I don't believe there are any fake 442's only Cutlasses
with the 442 options added to them. Unless you consider a real 442
something that the factory put out, however many of the 442 options in
'72 were dealer installed on regular Cutlass S models. Actually, the 442
model was dropped in '71. '71 was the last year that Olds actually made
a 442 model. In '72 the 442 was just an option. So to recap if you see a
'72 442, it's really a Cutlass S with the 442 option added, not a true
442 model car. You would actually refer to it as a Cutlass S with the
442 option. Which in most cases consisted  of  a suspension and stripe
package. Other options were the OAI hood, 442 rear cut bumper. So, if
you want to tell if the 442 option was added by the owner of
dealer/factory just look very closely at the emblems, and other options
and see if they were added correctly/professionally. That's it. OK.
boys/gals lets rumble...can't wait to hear it...
Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	DDMRACER@aol.com[SMTP:DDMRACER@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 16, 1997 5:15 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: real '72 442
> 
>  
> Hey all
>          i'm new to the list and new to 442s. my question is how can i
> tell
> a real '72 442 from a fake? 
> 
> Duane
> 67 Chevelle
> 67 Camaro
> 72 442 (i hope)
> 

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 10:46:22 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Repairing and Paiting Plastic Grilles

I know this topic came up before, but I don't recall the definitive answer.
I've got a less-than-perfect pair of original grilles on my '70 SX, but I'd
like to make them last until the restoration bug hits me and I find money
for a pair of NOS ones.

As far as painting them is concerned, Krylon Dull-Aluminum seems to be the
recommended paint, right? Is there any special surface-preparation for
them, besides making sure they're clean?

Before I paint them, though, I'd like to repair a couple cracks. What kind
of adhesive would be best for this kind of plastic? What kind of plastic is
this, anyway?

Any and all suggestions welcome.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 08:21:54 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: '84 H/O rough idle followup

About a month ago I asked for advice here regarding a rough idle problem
I was having on my ’84 H/O.  I got a lot of good advice, but nobody hit
the mark exactly.

The problem turned out to be the vapor canister purge valve.  This
little guy hangs loose on the manifold behind or beside the thermostat
housing.  It’s got 4 vacuum lines to it (or was it 5?)—two to the carb,
one to a thermal vacuum switch, and one to the vapor canister.  I’m not
sure exactly how it’s supposed to work since I don’t have a factory
manual yet, but looking at the hose routing I think it’s supposed to
open under low or medium vacuum, only after the thermal switch warms
up.  That sounds logical to me since at cruise or WOT when the engine is
warmed up is when you’d want to purge the canister.  This valve was open
and causing a vacuum leak when it shouldn’t.  I knew it wasn’t the
thermal vacuum switch since it didn’t do it when cold.  GM dealer had
‘em in stock, $13 plus a buck for some new hose (mine looked marginal),
5 minutes to change it (including time to cut the new hose to size and
move the clamps), and it idles good once more!

I just thought I’d post this here for other people to be alert for if
they have the same problem.  This plastic purge valve sits right on the
hot manifold and just rattles around, I’m amazed that I don’t hear of
more of these breaking.

Oh, and BTW I mentioned to Charlie B. in some private e-mail that I also
had a rattling noise coming from down near the cat, he suggested a
plugged cat.  The "rattle" turned out to be an exhaust leak through a
rusted-out hole in the air injector tube that goes into the cat.  I
think I’ll live with it for now.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:28:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Radiator

In a message dated 97-10-16 02:13:57 EDT, you write:

<< While your at it, could you look up the cost for a new radiator
 for a 70 cutlass 350/auto...
 
 Thanks... Curtis
  >>
and for 68 Cutlass and 442s, one for a Cutlass 350 and one for the 
442 that now has a 455...Many Thanks....TIM

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:08:58 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: '84 H/O rough idle followup

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
> plugged cat.  The "rattle" turned out to be an exhaust leak through a
> rusted-out hole in the air injector tube that goes into the cat.

Tom and the rest...I had a sound very similar to the one you described. 
When next to a car or a wall, I'd rev the engine and it sounded like a
ticks, like a noisy gear spinning.  It was like "zzzzzzzzz".  I took the
car to Midas for some ticking brake pads.  They installed them not a month
before, so I took it in figuring that the pads were bad.  Replacement of
the pads were free and when they drove the car, the guy heard this noise (I
didn't mention it to him, but he heard it anyway).  He lifted the car back
up and my air tube into the cat was almost disinegrated near the cat
inlet!  The pipe was rusted out almost all the way around.  Now, the car
just purrs instead of buzzes!  I guess these air tubes were cheaply made
because Tom's problem was exactly like my problem.  Later folks.

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:07:47 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: 394: how similar to 303/324/371? to 330/425?

OK, folks, Gary and I have been talking off-list about the options he has
for his '64 with a siezed motor. I mentioned that the 330 mounts from a
Jetstar 88 would be an entry into the modern small and big-block Olds
world, but he was wondering, as was I, whether any earlier motors would
interchange. So...

1) Are the motor-mounts and bellhousing patterns for the '49-'63
303/324/371/394's all identical, and thus able to be bolted in directly in
place of a '64 394, or was there a running change along the way?

2) Is the bellhousing of a '64 394 different from the later B-O-P
bellhousing found on the small- and big-block Oldses? I'm assuming the
motor-mount bosses are different.

3) What exactly is the difference between the 371 and the 394, such that
the factory J-2 intake won't fit the latter? Is there a difference in
deck-height, or in port design, or in bolt pattern, or all of the above?
Who knows the specifics on this one?

I guess the easiest option would be to replace the dead 394 with a running
'64 394, but since those motors are not on every junkyard lot these days,
there must be some alternative, and the best would be the one that keeps
the existing motor-mounts/transmission/exhaust hookups.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:14:02 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Dave Smith Engineering

At 07:52 PM 10/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
>> 
>> Last night I ordered the timing chain and decided it would be a good
>> time to ask some questions about DSE. 
>
>Whats the phone number?
>
>Ken
>
>
>
- -------------------------

It's (909) 371-7040. FYI, They're in Corona, California.

Good luck!

Scott Martindale
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:18:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: 403 anyone???

looking for a rocket350 or a 403. so far only gotten some good deals on
350's. will take if i have to but prefer to find a 403.  if anyone can help,
please reply as soon as u can.  THank you.   George

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 11:19:33 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: rope main seals

Before I found out about mondello I used one for a 460 F--d It leaks now

- ----------
> From: W30442CS@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: rope main seals
> Date: Thursday, October 16, 1997 9:13 AM
> 
> throw away the rope seals,their junk,  go with the neoprean seals.
>  mondello`s has them , part # MS-160 fit`s 400,425,455, and 350 diesel.
>    ph. #  1-800-252-2527     the price is about 10$,  but worth it!
>       just a side note, many years back before neoprean seals came out
for
> olds i read a article (hot rod i think) in witch they used one for a 460
> ford.      perfect fit!    hope this helps,  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:23:13 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: distributors

> Tell me the advantages of using a Mallory Unilite.... are they similar to
the
> benefits of switching to HEI?
> 
> Joel 
> 1972 Cutlass S
> 350 4v
> 

Just to through my two cents worth in 

The HEI distributor is not accurate above 5000 rpm where the Mallory
Unilite is accurate up to 8000 rpm's   If you choose the mallory unilite
the option to go faster with more engine build - ups would be available 
but if you choose the HEI unit the option for hi performance would or could
not be available, with out an ignition replacement to a Unlite or simular
unit.
You might be better off with the Mallory if performance build ups  are in
your future 
But if its just for a street car and not intended for strip use above 5000
rpm the HEI would be the cheapest way to go 

Personnally I went with the Mallory unilite for the reason I'm trying to
get across.
I presently shift at 5200 rpm but hopefully with more mod's to the engine I
hope to get up in the 6000 - 6500 range. When this happened I will be glad
for my choice to have the Unilite.

Just my $0.02 worth

Robert Schinkel
1970 W-31 
1970 442 Conv
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass Conv. ET 13.4

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 12:48:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sunday at the Races - the results

In a message dated 97-10-15 10:25:56 EDT, you write:

<< 
 1/4 ET: 14.309  14.086  14.154  14.272  15.461  14.902  14.368
 
 Pass¦5:  Lined up against friend's '86 turbo Regal.
 on to an amazing 13.676@98.58mph.  I'm embarassed. :-)
 
 The Turbo Regal was out of my league...
 
 Get ride of the wheel spin and you shouldn't have any problems getting into
 the 13s. With some tuning you might be able to knock that pesky hair dryer
 six out.
 
 Daren
  >>
HA!!!!

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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 1997 09:44:22 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: My Car's on MCC need your Vote

>    Here is the address to vote.........
>     " http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml "
>       6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E
>
Got my vote!

Brent Pinkstaff
70 Cutlass S

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