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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, November 13 1997     Volume 01 : Number 954



Re: Toronado for sale
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
Re: Headlight/Keys in Ignition Dinger
Holley TBI
Re: '83-84  H/O parts
Re: How to tell if it's closed loop
RE: Dick Miller Racing Body Panels (fwd)
gold stripe for 89 q4
Re: Spark Plugs
yea you think youre into olds
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Re: yea you think youre into olds
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: yea you think youre into olds
Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)
RE: ADMIN: Mail Addresses
Re[2]: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
'73 conv F/S
Olds lover
Car For Wedding
FW: Junk yard Find
Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Stolen 84 H/O
Convertible top switch connections
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
Olds motors in other GM vehicles
Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles
Re: Holley TBI
Re: new toy
Re: Clock Repair
OCA Web Site Wins It's 1st Award!!!
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Re: new toy
Re: Greetings
Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles
GS-27 - Miracle Product?
Re: More 70 442 parts needed
Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles
Re: MSD Help!!!
Re: new toy
120 mph speedo
Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)
FOR ALL TO SEE, other olds list
Re: yea you think youre into olds
unsubscribe
Re: HI & Auto favorites
Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)
Web Page Pictures(Rallye 350)
High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...
307 on nitrous...
Re: '89 DRB armrest repair

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:33:59 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Toronado for sale

>on my way to pick up my 98 yesterday, I stopped to look at a '76 Toro on
>a lot    it was in perfect shape (everything I saw) it had; wrap around
>rear window, power sunroof, CB-8 track, power everything, AC       I was
>impressed and asked what they wanted...   $8600.  I almost fell over!!!

Normally, I'd agree with you on this one, but that wrap-around rear window
would make that a '77 XS; in perfect shape, with those miles, that car is
certainly worth around what they're asking. The rear-window conversion was
a complete custom job done by ASC, and involved a *lot* of work done by
hand (Don Ross owns two of these, as well as the XSR prototype; at Lansing,
he met with the original engineers, and they described the assembly
procedure, which involved flipping the car over completely and working on
the shell upside-down!). Olds likely lost money on these cars, but used
them to generate showroom traffic.

These are the only real second-generation Toronados that are sought after
by true collectors; generally, however, these are not the same kinds of
folks that frequent the Olds or even the Toro list, as the cars they
collect are not driven, but shown.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:49:12 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
> I know; where else can you read about missing kidneys AND partake in a
> "nah-nah-nah, my 14-sec Quad-4 is faster than your 789hp 307 Cutlass!"
> thread lasting a whole month? ;)
>
> Just kidding; would love a W-40 or W-41 myself; Usually, however, the list
> is a bit more focused on HELPING people with their OLDSMOBILES, and less on
> putting down other makes and models.

Bob, you just spoke volumes. The unfortunate kidney incident aside
(please folks, DO NOT EVER FORWARD STUFF LIKE THAT HERE!) your last
sentence should be carved in stone. I've had about enough of the
put-downs and p*ss*ng contests the last while. Everyone, remember
please: this is here to help people and provide info, not to be a
usenet newsgrooup. Big difference. Thanks, Bob, for providing the
perspective.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:51:45 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight/Keys in Ignition Dinger

> The dinger in my 87 CS....  It works you can hear it ding when you
turn
> the car off and the head;ights are still on, but it's VERY faint.

The chime module is dying. On mine, if I thumped on the dash between the
steering column and the rear defog switch, it would sometimes get
louder, but basically it's toast. You need to get up behind the dash,
find the offending plastic box and replace it. Somebody here a long time
ago said it was something like $30-$35, but installation was kind of a
pain. It wasn't simply a plug-in buzzer like the older models; it had
various pigtail leads that plugged into different things to monitor.

You could put in an aftermarket beeper if you want; that's pretty easy
to do.

You might start by sticking your nose behind the dash and finding the
item while it's still making some kind of noise (after it dies
completely, it might be a lot harder to figure out which component is
the chime unit), and see what you're up against.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:29:40 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Holley TBI

So, anybody using Holley Fuel injection yet? Which currently available
intake manifold would be best with it and clear an HEI?

Thoughts?
cf

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:18:24 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: '83-84  H/O parts

Bill Gochenour wrote:

> Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
> >
> >    I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
> > if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.
>
> If your looking for the 120mph speedo, the GM part number is ª25083824.
> Not to sure how much luck you'll have finding one though, a while back I
> found two using the GM nationwide locator, a dealer had them on the

How long ago was that?  I tried finding one of these about 1 1/2 to 2 years
ago, no luck.  I even tried places like Originality Plus which said they could
get it, they haven't yet.  I think they're make of unobtainium now.  Your best
bet is to either find a canadian speedo with KPH on it and recalibrate it to
read MPH, or find an aftermarket decal.  I think Lauren Engineering had a decal
like this for the Monte SS, it might work??

> As far as the rear deck spoiler goes, after-market catalogs have them
> for about $450.00 / the real thing used or new are running about $575.00
> - $650.00. That I know for sure, because the passenger side wing tip on
> mine fell out, and I bought the whole thing NOS new ! If used is OK

Ouch!  Lauren Engineering makes repro ones of these.  They're all one piece,
but have seams molded in where the wingtips would be attached.  Their number is
on Bryceman's 442.com web page.  They make a front airdam too (fiberglass
though), and are working on a shifter bezel (I know the guy who sent them his
to copy).  Neither would be right for a 100 point restoration, but I wouldn't
have any qualms putting these on a daily driver, or a Cutlass that you want to
look like an H/O.  You think the spoiler is expensive?  Try finding an airdam.
My insurance co. paid $1500 for the only one (used too) for sale on the planet
after my hit-and-run last winter.  If it were my money I'd have just bought the
$200 (new) Lauren repro.

A crack is starting to develop in my passenger side wingtip also.  I'd like to
get it off there and fix it right before it falls off.  Can anyone recommend a
way to get this wingtip off without damaging stuff?  How do you recommend
reattaching it?  I was figuring on epoxy of some sort (JB Weld?), and I was
going to try to rig up a safety cable or string mechanism that hooked the
wingtip to the main wing internally so that if it fell off, it'd just dangle
there.

Also, does anyone know if the gaskets around the base of the wing are available
anymore?  Part number?

> * * * * * * * * *
> * COMMING  SOON *---------> www.3STICKS.com
> * * * * * * * * *

Ooooooh!  Cool.--
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:37:28 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: How to tell if it's closed loop

John C. Ramsey wrote:

> only way to tell for sure is if you read the signal from the Oxygen
> Sensor.  Depending on the calibration and signal range of that signal,

Yeah, I thought of that.  You can check the dwell on the mixture control
solenoid too.  If it's steady at about 30 degrees, it's open loop.  Varying
back and forth above and below 30 degrees is closed loop as the computer
continually adjusts the mixture to stoichiometric.

> I am a little curious, though...why do you want to know this?

Umm... because I can?  :-)

Car runs great, but I think it'd be very nice to have for diagnostic
purposes.  I'm planning to try some custom burnt chips soon, and I may go to
a colder t-stat.  With all the mods it'd be nice to know that the engine is
still going closed loop, getting to that point in a reasonable time frame,
and staying closed loop when it should.

Plus, I'm a techno-geek.  I just like gauges, indicator lights, etc.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:41:21 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: RE: Dick Miller Racing Body Panels (fwd)

Well, my son did it again and I am back in the body repair business..I
should really stop him from driving "my" toy.. he is a good kid but a bit
accident prone.. ie 4 front ends... Anyway, does anyone have any
experience with Dick Miller Racing fiberglass body panels?  His catalog
list both "heavy duty" and Light weight" fiberglass parts priced in the
$400 - $300 range for my application... Is this a good price?  Thanks
for your help

AL

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:55:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: gold stripe for 89 q4

I have an 89 calais q4 and ive gone to the dealer to get a gold stripe
for the front fender driver side.  they cant even get it.  if any one has
any lead to find this piece (6 inches long) that would be great.  Also if
anyone knows where to find the 91 style 442 rear spoiler (whale tail)
also apreciated.  I checked all of long island for both with no luck.
thanks.

shaun
q4

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:57:58 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

Yeah, I tried Bosch Platinums in my '79 (260 V8) once.  Replacing worn AC's.
The idle was much smoother, and power through about 3000 rpm seemed much
smoother too.  At least for about 2000 miles.  They they started to run like
crap.  Pulled 'em expecting to see a few fouled, but they looked just fine.  I
did notice the protruding electrode that was mentioned earlier though.  
Replaced
them with AC's and the car ran great for 20,000 more miles until I sold it.

Oh, and I stay away from the Autolites.  I've had insulators break off two of
these before.  Fortunately, it was the part outside the engine.

Greg Pruett wrote:

> Jason Adcock wrote:
> >
> > With all this talk about spark plugs lately, I got to thinking about
> > changing mine.  Has anyone here compared Bosch Platinums to ACs, or did I
> > miss the post?  My friend here swears by Bosch Platinum
>
> Never slapped a bosch platinum in the Vista Cruiser, but dad tried some
> in the n*ssan once and the plugs&engine didn't agree with each other at
> all.  Idle, performance, economy, etc. seemed to suffer.  Pitched them
> pretty soon after he got them as I remember.  Most people I know who've
> tried them don't like them.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:03:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: yea you think youre into olds

If any one thinks theyre a huge olds fan check me out.  We used to own an
85 cutlass ciera which my pops just sold.  we had an 86 and 87 cutlass
supreme with the 307 (excellent motor).  my mom still has her 89 cierra
which runs fine.  Now we still have my brothers 88 calais Q4 and my 89
calais limited ed. Q4.  both with almost exact mileage.  with about
125000 miles they run like they just came out of the show room ( and mine
looks it to).  Im thinking of selling my 89 q4 to pay for a college
education so if anyone is at all interested in it (performance parts
taken out for new motor) let me know, or someone tell me im just stupid
for thinking this.  Excellent cars never a problem (19 years of pops'
working for olds dosent hurt).  lets keep the legend alive and kick pony
cars butts!  If any one knows anything about the new alero (engine) let
me know also, it looks great.


shaun
89 Calais (gold) q4

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:26:06 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

Sorry to deliver the bad news, but happy to help you live safer. The upper
arm bears far less weight and stress than the lowers, but if they go the
result is essentially the same: you'll stop, perhaps suddenly, perhaps
unpleasantly.

>You guys are starting to worry me.  When I rebuilt my front end a year ago I
>noticed a 1/8 to 1/16 in crack in the upper control arm where the ball joint
>goes.  I didn't think much of it but now I have to check it, see if its
>increased in length.  Other than that my suspension is fine.

>But it raises kind of a sad prospect.  For those of us that enjoy our old cars
>as daily drivers, driving them frequently and hard may become
>impractical/unsafe at some point, as metal fatigue gradually makes these cars
>unsafe to drive.  At some point, these sorts of critical parts are going
>to get
>so rare/expensive that daily driving won't be possible....?  I suppose thats
>what has happened to the '50s cars and those before it.  Anyway, the idea that
>daily driving my 60/70s car will someday not make sense does not make me
>happy.

Losing the experience of these cars makes me unhappy too, but metal fatigue
is real. I'm not sure it's real well understood by the engineering
community. So as to head off the rare/expensive problem -- start hoarding
those parts _now_. I do.

Sorry to deliver bad news, but reality check ain't a bad thing once in a
while. In a way it makes each mile you get out of your car that much
better.

cf

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:40:49 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: yea you think youre into olds

OK here's mine:  my family has also had many oldses over the years,
stating with a '64 F-85, '71 Cutlass, '77 wagon, '79 supreme and '87
supreme (307).  the engine on the '64 blew in '71, the latter three were
pieces of junk and they are now getting rid of the '87, which has been a
problem since new, and are going with a foreign car.  the best car was
far and away the '71 Cutlass.  for me, ive had three oldses.  the best
was a '70 Cutlass "S" (250k miles, all original, killed by northeast
rust), which was more reliable than my current car, a '72 442

Shaun Miller wrote:
>
> If any one thinks theyre a huge olds fan check me out.  We used to own an
> 85 cutlass ciera which my pops just sold.  we had an 86 and 87 cutlass
> supreme with the 307 (excellent motor).  my mom still has her 89 cierra
> which runs fine.  Now we still have my brothers 88 calais Q4 and my 89
> calais limited ed. Q4.  both with almost exact mileage.  with about
> 125000 miles they run like they just came out of the show room ( and mine
> looks it to).  Im thinking of selling my 89 q4 to pay for a college
> education so if anyone is at all interested in it (performance parts
> taken out for new motor) let me know, or someone tell me im just stupid
> for thinking this.  Excellent cars never a problem (19 years of pops'
> working for olds dosent hurt).  lets keep the legend alive and kick pony
> cars butts!  If any one knows anything about the new alero (engine) let
> me know also, it looks great.
>
> shaun
> 89 Calais (gold) q4

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:05:44 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

>-----Original Message-----
>From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>


>I spoke to a tech rep at Mondello's this morning and he said not till
Feb/98 most likely. They also claimed that >they will probably cost $1200.oo
for a bare set, $1500.oo assembled,


>The Pontiac heads are priced at around $1800 assembled, so if the Olds
>units are similarly priced, it might be worth a $500 premium over a good
>set of iron heads to go with aluminum.
>__________________________________________________________
>Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

I've got a current Jeg's catalog it has the Poncho heads for $820.99
complete and $555.99 bare. If the Olds heads go for under a grand I might
pick me up a set some time late next year of course it would probably be a
good idea to put my car back together first.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:13:53 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: yea you think youre into olds

I might as well put in my $0.02.  My family has had Oldsmobiles since the
early fifties, when grandad bought an new 88 for the Rocket engine.  My mom
said she didn't remember him being too impressed with hit.  Hmm.  He also
had anm '88 Ciera, which he sold and now has a Ford Taurus.  No luck
there.  My parents had an '85 Olds Cutlass Cruiser wagon, which after
having owned, they swore they'd never drive an Olds again.  That thread
went dead, too.  Well, now it's up to me, and I neven plan on selling
mine.  My parents also like mine much better than they did theirs.  My dad
said he wouldn't mind driving my car to work everyday.  I can't say as I'd
mind taking his Grand Cherokee to work, either, but what would I pick up
the girls in then?  I can't say as my Olds is a babe magnet right now,
either though.  The body is dirty, the wheels aren't even close to shiny,
the tires aren't Armor-All'd.  I gotta get that thing cleaned up next
weekend on vacation!
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:34:32 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)

In a message dated 97-11-13 07:43:05 EST, you write:

<<
 G'day guys,

 I am in need of some more votes to edge ahead in this months virtual car
 show. I think (?) that I am currently in second (1.3%) place being beaten
 by a 1916 Elgin (1.4%) (what ever that is). If you like the look feel free
 to submit you vote, but remember only vote once thanks.

 http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/november/showroom3.html
  >>

OK, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Jason Adcock's '84 Calais is
in showroom 2 for the month of November.  I voted for both Olds' (the '60 in
showroom 3, and Jason's in showroom 2).  I know the '60 is ahead, so lets
keep at it, but Jason's car is getting beat by a Nova for god's sake!!!!
 Let's get out there and VOTE!!!   :-)

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:34:22 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: ADMIN: Mail Addresses

On Thursday, November 13, 1997 10:22 AM, Greg Beaulieu
[SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca] wrote:
> I get bounces almost every day lately from accounts belonging to Bobby
> Etzel, Kevin Wong .........................

You are right Greg, I didn't know you are getting bounces for me. I know
in the afternoon, there is very little mail from the Olds list. I don't
know if this has anything to do with the bounces or not. I still get
mail from other people. Is there anyway to tell which server is bouncing
it back. Do you think it is the chebucto.net or the individual user's
nets? If I can be any help in solving this let me know.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the .....Past

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 13:50:08 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

I've got a current Jeg's catalog it has the Poncho heads for $820.99 complete
and $555.99 bare.


     Uh, I hate to ask the obvious....buuuut...are the Jeg's prices each or
     a pair?  It seems to me that $556 is awfully close to half of $1200,
     and $821 X 2 is about $1600.

     Joe (yes, I'm back) Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:17:12 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: '73 conv F/S

There is a shopping center just up the road from my parents house that
lets people put cars out toward the street. This car has been sitting
there forever and my roommate and I finally took a look last night. This
is what it said on the window:

1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Convertible
New in '96:
Top
Top Motor
Paint
Brakes
2 Tires

New 455 with 200 miles

Best offer - Call Quinn
H: - 703-978-5489
W: - 703-451-0069

The car is REALLY nice!
The body looks good, the paint looks good, the interior looks good.
As a matter of fact, if someone had not installed speakers in the doors
the interior would be perfect except for a couple of dash cracks. This
would not be a show car, but would make one hell of a driver.

For anyone who is interested:
The car is in Springfield, VA (about 15 miles out of Washington, D.C.)
All I know is what I saw last night.
I can go get a better look at it for anyone who wants me to.

Brent Pinkstaff
70 Cutlass S


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 14:25:42 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Olds lover

     Well, since else someone started it, here goes:

     My folks owned a string of Oldsmobiles for as far back as I can
     remember.  They had a late-50s Olds sedan, which was replaced by a new
     full-size wagon in 63 (that's the first one I remember).  My dad got a
     65 F-85 as a second car (Buick V6 and three-on-the-tree).

     (We interrupt this charming reminiscence for an interesting
     observation.  The aforementioned 65 was a _sport coupe_, as in a post
     car.  Chris Sparks and others will note that my oft-mentioned aversion
     to post cars is likely due to an unfortunate episode in this very 65.
     It seems that while I was a young and impressionable lad sitting in
     the back seat, I managed to unconsciously grasp the B-pillar while the
     door was open and the quarter window lowered.  Imagine my surprise
     when the door was shut on my tender little fingers!  This is a failure
     mode which obviously cannot occur in _holiday coupe_ body styles.  ;-)
     We now return you to our regularly scheduled program...)

     It turns out that the 63 wagon was T-boned at an intersection while
     the whole family sat inside - thankfully it was an Olds and not a
     lesser car, as injuries were minor.  The car was totaled and replaced
     with a new 68 Vista Cruiser, though the 63 lived on as a neighbor who
     happened to also be a body man bought the car from the insurance
     company, fixed it, and drove it for a number of years later.  Mom
     passed away shortly thereafter, and the 65 was sold.  I talked my dad
     into hanging on to the VC until I got my license, at which time I
     inherited the car and he got a 75 Impala (his only non-Olds, which he
     hated).

     Of course, the VC was the start of my affliction.  I quickly replaced
     the anemic 350 2bbl motor with a 4bbl version, followed by a 425.
     Talk about a sleeper.  This car was joined by my first _real_ car, a
     68 442.  The by now rusty VC was sold and replaced by a 67 Cutlass
     winter car, which was unfortunately stolen in Boston.  The 68 442 was
     sold and replaced with a 65 442 convertible.  Unfortunately, the
     ravages of Massachusetts winters ventilated the frame on the 65 and it
     was sold and replaced with a 72 442 4spd, which the first wife and I
     drove to California after graduation.  Note that at this time the
     first wife also bought a 71 Cutlass, which later became the
     tilt-front, dual-quad, nitrous-injected, 455-powered 11-second beast
     featured in Car Craft (Oct 85).

     Of course, once in SoCal and actually employed, I went nuts, procuring
     in rapid succession a 69 H/O, a 70 Supreme, a 66 442 convert, a 70
     442, a 68 W-30, and a 70 W-30 (and a Vega panel wagon, but at least it
     got a BOP aluminum 215 V-8).  Of that batch, the 66, 68 W-30, 69, 70
     W-30, and 71 made the trip east to VA, and frequent readers will
     recall that the now ex-wife got the 71.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:35:54 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Car For Wedding

OK this is primarily aimed at the people from the Washington D.C. area.

This is my situation:
I am getting married on Saturday, December 6. My new bride and I will be
spending the night at the Marriot that the reception is going to be held
at. Even though we aren't really leaving the place, the end of the
reception is when the bride and groom drive off. I've tried to get out
of this but all efforts have been thwarted.
At the moment I will be renting a limo to literally just drive around
the block. I would much rather 'drive off' in something that would make
a much better 'picture opportunity' so to speak.
I am looking for anyone with a nice '50's or earlier American (except
Chevy) auto that would be interested in getting some money for driving
me around the block.
If anyone on the list is interested, knows someone that might be, or has
any suggestions please let me know.

Thanks,

Brent Pinkstaff

______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:55:53 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: Junk yard Find

 Bob:
Would that be Canadian $? for the sport mirrors?. If so, and theyre in OK
shape, I'll take them. I am in Cambrdge, Ont. I'll send a cheque If you send
them by mail (provided the Postal Strike is averted). You can reach me
during the day at 1800 565 9586. Also, do you have a windshield for a '69
conv? If so, I'll make the trip down to you, and avoid shipping the mirrors.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:23:08 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>
> OK, one thing that hasn't been mentioned is that Jason Adcock's '84 Calais is
> in showroom 2 for the month of November.  I voted for both Olds' (the '60 in
> showroom 3, and Jason's in showroom 2).  I know the '60 is ahead, so lets
> keep at it, but Jason's car is getting beat by a Nova for god's sake!!!!
>  Let's get out there and VOTE!!!   :-)
>
> Chris Ruper

Hey, man!  Thanks for pointin' it out!  I didn't even know it was there.  I
submited it like two weeks ago, but never heard back.  Thanks for the
tip...and yep, let's keep these Oldses on a roll!
____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:54:51 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Daren wrote:

> I've got a current Jeg's catalog it has the Poncho heads for $820.99
> complete and $555.99 bare. If the Olds heads go for under a grand I might

Can someone please explain to me why these heads are so darned
expensive.
$1,000! $555.99!  I don't get it.


Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 17:49:59 -0500
From: "Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Subject: Stolen 84 H/O

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The police have found my Hurst.  Thieves popped the locks and cracked the
column.  As expected they took the stereo system, radar Detector, 35mm
camera and all my music.  That stuff can be replace, I wish They had not
taken my repair journal that had all my receipts in  it.  The exterior
damage is two flat tires, dented trim where they pried the window open,
hammered out locks and a few scratches.  The interior will need new door
panels and door sills (body by fisher pieces).  They also broke off the left
wing tip (body shop says he can get one!).  Luckily they did not touch the
engine.

I had full coverage with state farm I'll have to see what the claims
adjuster says.

Suggestion on alarm systems would be appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 15:57:31 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Convertible top switch connections

Hello,
  I received my complete motor/pump setup today (from Robert Schinkel,
highly reccomended from me).  Now examining my wiring setup further I found
that the top switch on my '69 442 has an orange wire with a black stripe
into the middle which would be the main "power" feed.  Now the other end of
that wire happens to be dangling under my dash.  All I need to know is
where that wire is supposed to hook up to.. does anyone have any idea?
Thanks.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:00:26 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >Just getting a feel of the mail list here, and I am awestruck....
>
> I know; where else can you read about missing kidneys AND partake in a
> "nah-nah-nah, my 14-sec Quad-4 is faster than your 789hp 307 Cutlass!"
> thread lasting a whole month? ;)

In my other list, a Mustang II list but topics are different, same
jist...  My Turbo 76 2.3 Pinto will whoop your 500HP 351W anyday!  And
Polyester!!! <G>

> Just kidding; would love a W-40 or W-41 myself; Usually, however, the list
> is a bit more focused on HELPING people with their OLDSMOBILES, and less on
> putting down other makes and models.

I am used to this type of group, and it's EXACTLY what I am looking
for...  I like to get vast areas of knowledge, and right now, I only now
<shuddering> Ford...  I REALLY wanna know GM since the Oxygen Sensor
gave me ABSOLUTELY no problems putting it in, and the plugs look to be a
BREEZE! <G>

> >1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
> >to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?
>
> Check the FAQ: "It's in there!"

Oooops, sorry then.

> >3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305?
> >(Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
> >liking Olds better)
>
> There are two "5.0" V-8's installed in the third-generation Cutlasses: the
> Olds 307 and the Chevy 305. Both are basically the same engine designs as
> the legendary Olds 350 and Chevy 350, respectively, but with a smaller
> piston bore, hence the reduced cubic inches. Both can be, and are regularly
> swapped out for, their larger brothers, though the frame has holes to
> accept either engine, so we prefer if they swap in an Olds 350.

Not a prob...  No swap is being seen on the horizon...  I am happy as it
gets with what I got now!
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:14:53 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Olds motors in other GM vehicles

Hi everyone,

One of Dr. Bob's replies a week or two ago got me wondering about
something, and I was hoping that through the knowledge base of this list,
we could figure it out.  I was wondering what other GM vehicles might have
an Olds motor in them, as part of regular production?

I know that the 77-79(?) Trans Am have the 403, and some Caddys have the FI
350 and the GMC motorhome has a 455 in it.  Anything else that I should
keep an eye out for while looking for a bigger engine for my Cutlass?

Thanks for any input.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:41:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, deirdre. reilly wrote:
> I know that the 77-79(?) Trans Am have the 403, and some Caddys have the FI
> 350 and the GMC motorhome has a 455 in it.  Anything else that I should
> keep an eye out for while looking for a bigger engine for my Cutlass?

I know that the 403 was also used in those GM motorhomes in '77 and up.
It was also (I *think*) used in some full-size Buicks from '77 to '79,
and those also used the Olds 307 from '82 or '83 until the end of
production. Didn't late 80's Caddys also use the 307? I also know that
Buick employed the Olds 350 for a while, though I don't know in what...
the reason I say that is they mention in "Setting The Pace" that one of
the reasons Olds had to use some Chevy V-8s in the infamous Chevymobiles
of '76 is that they had commitments to Buick to supply engines.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:48:25 -0500 (EST)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley TBI

Im using the holly pro fuel injection, just put it on. Dont know if car is
faster yet havent been to the track. It is nice how you can adjust the flow
just by turning a knob, dont have to change jets anymore. ill let you now how
it goes im trying to get into the 12's ran a 13.30 last time.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:51:34 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: new toy

Dustin Cross wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the 98s are still Delta's    (I think on mine there are Delta
98 emblems > on the front fenders)

There is no such thing as a Delta 98, even though there is '76
advertised this way in Hemmings this month.  98s were known as 98s or
Ninety Eights (depending on the year) starting in 1941.  The Regency
name was added in '72 (it was a special anniversary model that year).
The Regency Brougham made an appearance in 1982.  Somewhere in the early
90s the 98 Regency Elite was added.  Nowdays they are simply known a the
Regency, being based on the Delta, which isn't even the Delta anymore,
but is simply called Eight Eight.

The Delta name was first used in 1965, as an upscale package on the
Dynamic 88 (according to the catalog that year they were known as
Dynamic 88 Deltas).  The Delta name has never been associated with the
Ninety Eight.  The Delta Custom appeared in '67, and the Delta Royale in
'69.  In '79 (?) they brought out the Delta 88 Royale Brougham.  At some
point in the late 80s/early 90s they changed from Delta 88 to 88 Royale
and just a few years ago the Royale was dropped and they are now know
simply as Eighty Eights, with the exception of the LSS.  Understand?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 97 20:19:24 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Clock Repair

At 02:17 AM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:

  <cut>

>This is accomplished when the swing arm moves
>closer and closer to the electromagnet arm which remains stationary. When
>the swing arm touches the electromagnet arm, the circuit is completed and
>the electromagnet arm is SUPPOSED to move towards the electromagnet with
>enough force to throw the swing arm really far away which, of course,
>serves to rewind the clock. On mine, the two arms would get stuck together
>and the current would continue to flow instead of being a short burst.
>This would cause the electromagnetic wire to melt apart in a weak section.

    This can be caused by a weak coil. Mines completly open.  I'm also
contemplating unwinding the coil of an old windshield washer pump I've got
laying aroundand rewinding this one.


>Wish me luck with the brakes,
>it'll be my first time!

    Just use a repair manual and you shouldn't have any problem installing
your brakes.   I would suggest doing one side at a time so that you are able
to compare parts orientations with the other side.  A day or so before
starting the job you may want to put a little penetrating fluid on the
bleeder valves and make sure they break loose for you, unless you are
planning to replace the wheel cylinders too.



   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2



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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:23:54 -0500
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: OCA Web Site Wins It's 1st Award!!!

All,
It had to happen sometime, of course they are trying to sell server
space also ;-)

>Hello:
>
>     Recently we enjoyed a very pleasant visit to your web site!
>It is with great pride that we announce that your web site is a
>WINNER of our esteemed Majon Web Select "SEAL OF EXCELLENCE AWARD."
>(As mentioned in the Wall Street Journal.)
>
>     The award icon can be downloaded at:
>                   http://www.majon.com/award.html
>
>     Our award seal is trademarked and may be placed anywhere in your
>web site, provided you place a link from the icon to:
>                   http://www.majon.com
>
>     Also, as a winnner, you have the opportunity to be "Triple Linked"
>into our 2 high traffic online malls  ----->
>            Majon's CyberMall and Mrcybermall.com
>
>at a great value-added price of only $99.00 per year!
>            (Normally, this service is over $595.00 !!!)
>
>     For more info, visit:
>                   http://www.majon.com/award.html
>
>     Congratulations,
>     The Web Select Team
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:45:25 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

be thankful the thieves didn't burn your baby.



At 05:49 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:

>The police have found my Hurst.  Thieves popped the locks and cracked the

>column.  As expected they took the stereo system, radar Detector, 35mm

>camera and all my music.  That stuff can be replace, I wish They had not

>taken my repair journal that had all my receipts in  it.  The exterior

>damage is two flat tires, dented trim where they pried the window open,

>hammered out locks and a few scratches.  The interior will need new door

>panels and door sills (body by fisher pieces).  They also broke off the left

>wing tip (body shop says he can get one!).  Luckily they did not touch the

>engine.

>

>I had full coverage with state farm I'll have to see what the claims

>adjuster says.

>

>Suggestion on alarm systems would be appreciated.

>

>Attachment Converted: "c:\internet\eudora\attach\Gilbert K Russell1.vcf"

>

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:43:37 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: new toy

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> point in the late 80s/early 90s they changed from Delta 88 to 88 Royale
> and just a few years ago the Royale was dropped and they are now know
> simply as Eighty Eights, with the exception of the LSS.  Understand?

Techincality...  <G>  Why are the 96-98s Titled as Delta 88s in South
Carolina?
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:46:16 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

steve  looking for 70 sport mirrors...also 71-2 guts...
dont have tilt col for bench seat car believe that's what your after....
please respond   thanks   jefff

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:46:46 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, deirdre. reilly wrote:
> > I know that the 77-79(?) Trans Am have the 403, and some Caddys have the FI
> > 350 and the GMC motorhome has a 455 in it.  Anything else that I should
> > keep an eye out for while looking for a bigger engine for my Cutlass?
>
> I know that the 403 was also used in those GM motorhomes in '77 and up.
> It was also (I *think*) used in some full-size Buicks from '77 to '79,
> and those also used the Olds 307 from '82 or '83 until the end of
> production. Didn't late 80's Caddys also use the 307? I also know that
> Buick employed the Olds 350 for a while, though I don't know in what...
> the reason I say that is they mention in "Setting The Pace" that one of
> the reasons Olds had to use some Chevy V-8s in the infamous Chevymobiles
> of '76 is that they had commitments to Buick to supply engines.

Careful though...  My 78 LeSabre had a Buick 350 (At least I hope it was
a Buick 350, the distributor was in the front (I think) as opposed to
the other ones that were in the rear (I Think))  I do know that even
with a TH400 is was a WEAK combo.
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:50:32 -0600
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: GS-27 - Miracle Product?

Has anyone here ever tried that "miracle" product GS-27.  This is the
stuff that they sell on TV that is supposed to remove scratches from
paint by just wiping them off.  I find it hard to believe that the stuff
works as well as they claim, but ya never know.

- -Dan

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 20:49:17 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: More 70 442 parts needed

yes i have seat belts and heat pipe for 350 what are you looking for
.olds guy ga...

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 02:07:09 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Olds motors in other GM vehicles

At 12:14 AM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>One of Dr. Bob's replies a week or two ago got me wondering about
>something, and I was hoping that through the knowledge base of this list,
>we could figure it out.  I was wondering what other GM vehicles might have
>an Olds motor in them, as part of regular production?
>
>I know that the 77-79(?) Trans Am have the 403, and some Caddys have the FI
>350 and the GMC motorhome has a 455 in it.  Anything else that I should
>keep an eye out for while looking for a bigger engine for my Cutlass?
>
>Thanks for any input.
>
>Bill Reilly
>'85 Cutlass Supreme
>'83 Cutlass Ciera
>
Bill

  I have a friend who has the little 307 in his  1985 Buick Lasaber,And a
guy at work has the 307 in his Buick Rivera.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:14:10 -0500 (EST)
From: IBDEA@aol.com
Subject: Re: MSD Help!!!

In a message dated 97-11-13 08:12:04 EST, you write:

<<  The rest of the wiring is correct by the wiring diagram on the
 bottom of the MSD box.  It's a bit frustrating and I'd like to try and
 fix it before I put the new 455 in just because I want to be able to
 kill it in a hurry if need be!

     This is probably an idiot mistake on my part...but dangit I sure
 can't spot the problem...maybe one of you can help.
  >>
John,
       A diode has to be added in line because of a back feed of current.I
can't find my diagram right now,but there should be some mention of it with
the instructions.i'll look  through my junk to see if I can find it.Sometimes
that easier said than done.
      Bob Peters
       67 442
       72 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:21:34 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: new toy

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Techincality...  <G>  Why are the 96-98s Titled as Delta 88s in South
> Carolina?

'Cause DMVs usually have no idea of what's going on when it comes to
motor vehicles!  Someone should point out this flaw in their system.
They are registering cars that do not exist, hence, the folks driving
these cars are driving unregistered vehicles!  DMV's - gotta love'em!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:34:19 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: 120 mph speedo

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
>
>    I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
> if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.


Bill Gochenour wrote:

>If your looking for the 120mph speedo, the GM part number is ª25083824.
>Not to sure how much luck you'll have finding one though, a while back I
>found

Just FYI I tried checking this part number about two months ago and the
counterguy's computer wouldn't even take it.  He said that was odd and that
it is most likely discontinued when that happens.

Supposedly Lauren Engineering makes this aftermarket.  I haven't tried them
yet but here's the ª if yu want to try (714) 871-CARS

BTW if you do find any leads on the 120mph speedo, let me know.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:54:03 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)

Jason,
Count one from me.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more
votes)

.Snip

 Thanks for the
>tip...and yep, let's keep these Oldses on a roll!
>____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock
>mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
>http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:51:57 -0500 (EST)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: FOR ALL TO SEE, other olds list

Howdy everyone Due to problems with my email address, my
new address will be (Two72W30s@aol.com).  I love my other
email address which was W MACHINES@aol.com, but I have to
temporarily change it, hopeful only a month, so all list people
please email me with questions and such about making your
Olds a 12.18 quarter miler using the stock W intake and Q-jet.

I like sharing this info to other enthusiast.  I am not trying to be
conceided just convinced,   just kidding guys :).
Also any Quad 442 info would be appreciated also from the
Quad 4 list.

Thanks guys and gals and Happy Oldsmobiling and remember
to Race your Rocket

Mark K. Prince
Two72W30s@aol.com
formally W MACHINES

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:53:31 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: yea you think youre into olds

Shaun Miller wrote:
>
> If any one thinks theyre a huge olds fan check me out.

Yeah, I think I'm a huge Olds fan.  You think you are?  Here we go:

Although the current daily driver is a '96 Monte Carlo (Chevrolet
dealership employee), it's predecessors were:

1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Sedan
1971 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe
1992 Achieva SL Coupe
1983 Ninety Eight Regency Coupe
1968 Delta 88 Custom Holiday Sedan
1979 Delta 88 Royale Sedan
1981 Toronado Brougham
1978 Ninety Eight Regency Coupe

Those are just the former daily drivers.  Current extra cars in the
garage are a 1967 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe and a 1972 Cutlass Supreme
Convertible.  Former extra cars are:

1954 Super 88 Sedan
1979 Delta 88 "Holiday 88" Coupe
1964 Ninety Eight Luxury Sedan
1952 Ninety Eight Sedan
1972 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe
1967 Toronado Deluxe (Bimini Blue)
1967 Toronado Deluxe (Emerald Green)
1972 Delta 88 Town Sedan
1961 Classic Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan (Classic in part of factory
name)
1961 Dynamic 88 Holiday Coupe

My Dad?  He's had Oldsmobiles too.  Last February he bought a 1992 88
Royale Sedan.  Before that he had:

1986 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Sedan
1981 Cutlass Supreme Coupe (Diesel)
1966 Toronado Deluxe was an extra car in the early 90s

My Mother?  She's still got her 1988 Cutlass Ciers SL Coupe.  Before
that she had:

1981 Toronado Brougham (mine)
1977 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
1967 Toronado Deluxe (Ebony Black)
1962 Starfire Convertible
1961 Super 88 Celebrity Sedan (from her parents)
1954 Ninety Eight Deluxe Holiday Coupe

My Grandparents?  Well, they're dead.  But they had Oldsmobiles when
they were alive.  They had:

1977 Delta 88 Town Sedan
1968 Delta 88 Town Sedan
1961 Super 88 Celebrity Sedan
1952 Deluxe 88 Sedan

Other relatives? Great Aunt Helen and Great Uncle Homer had:

1954 Super 88 Holiday Coupe (Helen was a widower then)
1953 Ninety Eight Convertible
1952 Super 88 2-door Sedan
1951 Ninety Eight "Holiday" Sedan (not a hardtop, though)

And, Great Aunt Grace and Great Uncle Lee had:

1954 Super 88 Holiday Coupe
1953 Super 88 Deluxe Convertible (1 body ª, 4 serial ªs after Helens!)

This may not be a complete list, they're starting to get hard to keep
track of.  I may have left one or two out.  So, who's the huge Olds
fan?  :)

Paul

P.S.  We also owned an '81 GMC High Sierra and a '79 Cadillac Eldorado
with Olds Diesels if they count too.

Sorry for the length...
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:09:02 -0600
From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:05:13 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: HI & Auto favorites

This message is primarily intended for Daren, but there is enough info that
may intrigue others.....

Daren...

No, I do not use I E. But send it anyway, as an attached file. I am sure I
know someone who has IE.

Glad you wrote. Thought of you lately. Especially that Edelbrock cam you are
using. It occurred (((pshhhht!  slurp!))) to me that although you claimed to
be running fine with it, there may be another consideration. I am about to
swap in a new timing chain. This is important as Soylent Ocean Mist runs
pretty well at approximately fifteen (!!!) degrees before TDC  (spec is seven
and a half degrees). Realize that a stretched timing chain can cause your
valves to open later than normal, adversely affecting performance. Our
various conversations about a cam designed for 39 degree cam-bank-angle in an
engine with a 45-degree cam-bank-angle would result in valves opening 3
degrees early or three degrees late, the early valves in one cylinder head
and the late ones in the other. [ At least I stated this much without anyone
offering any sort of objection. Not much seems to be written/known about the
1965 "A" blocks outside of the FAQ. ]  Needless to say, a stretched timing
chain will probably compensate for the three early degrees, but adversely
affect the late valves.

Any comments on this notion (that is all it is, really, just idle speculation
- - I spend way too much time in traffic)? Anyone? No opinions on this matter
will be ridiculed by me. (Except for cases of extreme brain atrophy)

Dr. Bob?  (P.S. Hi!)  Anyone?

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
Member OCA, IVOC

Carpooling, gotta love it. The money I save pays for my insurance!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:06:50 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Adcock's Calais... (was: Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes)

Alright guys - I've voted for the both of you (Jason & the Aussie).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 22:14:30 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Web Page Pictures(Rallye 350)

Hello,
I have just added my pictures to my Rallye 350 web page. You DON'T have to
download them!!! The address for my rallye home page is:
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">http://members.aol.com/DRO
LDS350/W45.html</A>
That has a link to my restoration page that has 3 pictures.
My picture page is up and the address for that is:
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/picturepage.html">http://members.aol
.com/DROLDS350/picturepage.html</A>
I have no link to this on my home page so you will have to access it
yourself.
You may have to press RELOAD if the pictures don't come up on the restoration
page, but they should work!!!
I hope that everyone enjoys the pictures!!!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:20:14 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...

Hey gang, I was hoping someone could clear this up for me...would it be
beneficial to me to put in a new HEI for my 307? Summit has about 4 or 5
in thier catalog...also, does anyone know if an 86 307 is a vacuum
distributor or not...I have no idea, if someone could explain all of
that I'd appreciate it...sorry its a stupid question...

Second, would an MSD 6A box be worth it, or would a 50,000 volt HEI be
more than enough...I'm not running on the strip yet...thats for whenever
i FINALLY get the new engine in...


Thanks a lot!
John Stolarski
'86 C/S

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:25:50 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: 307 on nitrous...

I just thought I'd tell you all about my latest local find...there is a
guy near me who has about an 83 or 84 C/S that is completely stock, and
he's running Nitrous in it...Isn't that bad, or can a stock 307 take
that much abuse w/o a better cam, crank, pistons, rods and bolts? Just
wondering....plus, somehow he gets away with straight pipes that don't
even come to the rear...how he does this in MAryland I'll never know! My
guess is he bracket races at the local strip...with my luck my butt
would get pulled over as soon as I got on the main road!!!

More power to 'em!
John Stolarski
'86 C/S



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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 19:04:58 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: '89 DRB armrest repair

JC Whitney has armrest repair caps for the Lincoln and Cadillac in their
catalog. I have also seen them on some other big cars but don't know where
they come from.  If any body knows I would like to have the info for
reference.

>I've been taking care of a few housekeeping items on the wife's '89
>DRB.  The plastic armrests on the front doors are notorious in these
>cars for breaking(slam the door and it ends up in your lap).  I've found
>that fiberglass drywall tape and 24 hour epoxy(on the inside<g>) works
>great for fixing the broken plastic, but the vinyl cover(and underlying
>foam) is pulling loose also.  Does anyone have a suggestion for
>reattaching the vinyl and foam to the hard plastic form?
>
>BTW, the car just turned 190k miles on the original motor which uses no
>oil and still runs like a Swiss watch.  I love that car!
>
>Patrick
>--
>Patrick Flowers
>Mailto:patri63@ibm.net
>
>The GMC Motorhome Page
>http://www.gmcmotorhome.com


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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