
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, November 9 1997       Volume 01 : Number 945



Toronado for sale
Aussie 60 Olds needs your vote
Re: need 442 trans swap help
Re: Tires !
Re: dash stuff/ other parts
Re: Conv. frame
Re: Aussie 60 Olds needs your vote
Re: Greetings
Re: 455 Flexplate onto 400/425
Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C
Re: 71 Cutlass shoulder belts
RE: 66 carb #
Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
Re: Greetings
Re: Greetings
Re: Chroming
Re: Conv. frame
Re: 12" Disc brake donor cars for 67 a-body????
More 70 442 parts needed
cutlass clubs
Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
Re: Interior restoration question
misc. parts for sale; 68-72
ss1's FOR SALE
Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
1970 w-31 engine
Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET
Re: fastest 442?
Re: Final Note Quad 4
Re: Chroming
Re: Greetin's and Salutations
Re: Looking for beauty rings
57 OLDS J/2
Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET
Re: 1970 w-31 engine
Instrument cluster swap
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
RE: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88\
Re: 1st gear ratio's
Need Ideas - Hood Repair
Re: Greetin's and Salutations
Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: More 70 442 parts needed
defroster
Weak (was High-Output) Headlights
Vacuum routes
Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair
Re: Instrument cluster swap
Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'
Re: 1st gear ratio's
Electrical Brake Indicator Light problems
Re: suspension modifications

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 03:33:44 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Toronado for sale

Rocketeers,

	On the way to work I spotted a late sixties Toronado. It was on the
outbound lanes so I never bothered to stop. Today I had some extra time so
I jumped off at the next exit, did a 180 and came back down.

	To me surprise, when I was turning around, someone removed the Toro and
replaced it with a Riviera in the same color scheme with the same sign in
the window!!!!!!

			Embarrassed
			The General

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 21:53:17 +1030
From: "Scott " <scott@tplex.com.au>
Subject: Aussie 60 Olds needs your vote

G'day guys,

Check out my Aussie 60 Olds Coupe at 

http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/november/showroom3.html

If you like the look feel free to submit you vote, but remember only once
thanks.


I am interested in locating any other owners of 60 olds either here in Oz
or abroad. I would like to know how popular this vintage was in the US as
they are fairly rare here in Australia, I have been struggling to find any
real details or pics on the net.

Thanks

Scott

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 07:53:58 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: need 442 trans swap help

i have some 4 spd. stuff, i have a bell housing, pedal assy. ,  pedal assy.
is out of 70 GTO but should be the same i think.    steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:01:07 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tires !

i have ran both 235`s and 245 - 14 inch tires on my rallye 350. there B F
GOODRICH brand and fit just fine.  i run stock 14" ssll rims.  have seen them
in other brands as well.   hope this helps.    steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:20:01 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: dash stuff/ other parts

clarence, did you ever find that tilt colum ,or 15" rims you were looking
for?,  i emailed you back that i had some but never heard back.   still have
parts, also have several parts cars,  two of them are vista cruzers.
    steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:33:47 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conv. frame

ouch!!!!,   i have some conv. top bolts, not sure whitch one you need.  last
year i tried to buy an extra top frame for a 70 cutlass from a guy who deals
in parts. he told me a complete frame is going for 500$.  he still has it if
interested.    if you can let me know what strut was bent, and what bolt was
broke i will see if i have it.  i also deal in parts.        steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:41:00 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Aussie 60 Olds needs your vote

i have seen a few around here, (oklahoma).  were you looking for parts or
just looking?      steven.  w30442cs@aol.com       PS. VERY COOL CARS!

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:47:06 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

jeff, hello from okla.,  my name is steven, and i too deal in 68-72 olds.  do
you have a car or are you just doing parts.  i have rallye 350,70
w-31(4spd.), 71w-30 conv., 71 442.          do you have any parts for these?
     steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 08:49:11 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Flexplate onto 400/425

i may have one, will check today.    steven.     w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:04:25 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C

just a side note, but dosen`t the non ac and ac cars use differant heater
core`s?  i thought the tubes were at diff. angles.   anyone know?     steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 09:18:23 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass shoulder belts

if you decide to go with the vista cruzer shoulder belts i have two vista
parts cars.             steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:25:30 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: 66 carb #

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     Triple check it now with a magnifying glass. No doubt about the =
number. From the info I get about rochester id's composition this should =
correspond to a 62' carb. Should I replace it with the original 66' =
one?. Which was it?. 7026053?. Thanks.

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De:	Chris Brown Witt [SMTP:wittchri@pilot.msu.edu]
Enviado el:	Domingo 9 de Noviembre de 1997 00:27
Para:	me from myself; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	66 carb #

Subject: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88

        Looking at my carb I found a circle stamped in the metal with =
the
number 7020715. I don't know if this is the famous "tag" and also I =
can't
identify the carb from the ones listed in the chassis service manual =
1966 or
the list Chris Witt sent to us of available carbs. Please any help is
appreciated. Keep in mind my car is an Export version (low compression).
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
That round tag near the front would be where the '66 and some '67's bear =
the ID
#. Has Dylsexia transposed a couple #'s? I'm used to 7026xxx for 1966 =
and
7027xxx for 1967 carbs, like yours might be 7027015 ? That sounds like a =
'66 or
'67 number.
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Chris  B. Witt :=3D: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=3D: Location: Mecca =
[Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...


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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 10:19:24 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

Like the title states, it's being parted out. If you want anything, let
me know. I just bought it as a parts car for my 73, and I have to get it
out of here after I salvage what I need. It would be terrible to let a
semi-classic like that get watsed in a scrap crusher.

Things already spoken for:

Windshield
Side windows
Speaker Cover
Trunklid

Everything else is yours if you want it.

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:25:38 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

 steve i have a 68 buick sky conv fully restored, i was pretty active in
local buick club

my first love is olds joined local chapter and became editor..

hope to get another olds sometime had a great 72 442 conv consistent show
winner

sold it in 83 regreted it since.. love the 70 rally 350...
do you have any sport mirrors for that car i have one rh need guts for it...
would also like lh so i could have a pair..
i part out and buy  and sell 68-72 a body cars.. 
do you need any parts,do you have any parts for sale
jeff....

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:28:35 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

i have a 68 sky conv fully restored i think the 70 rally is very unusual
looking for 70 sport mirrors....
i part out 68-72 olds and buicks..
let me know what you have forsale...
jeff

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 10:36:41 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chroming

Email him at:
maldana@digitalwave.net

I sent a '68 442 rear bumper to him and am waiting to see the result. I have
used him in the past to do some fabrication of some vintage BMW parts and the
work was very good--but expensive.

Will lwt you know when I get it back.

CoupeKing

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 11:22:55 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Re: Conv. frame

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> ouch!!!!,   i have some conv. top bolts, not sure whitch one you need.  last
> year i tried to buy an extra top frame for a 70 cutlass from a guy who deals
> in parts. he told me a complete frame is going for 500$.  he still has it if
> interested.    if you can let me know what strut was bent, and what bolt was
> broke i will see if i have it.  i also deal in parts.        steven.
> w30442cs@aol.com
On the frame there are two bars (8 inches long) on both sides, right
near the first elbow.  The bolts would attach there, probably four
total.  I would need the bars and bolts, please.  Are these bolts
pressed in? Where are you located?

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:28:55 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 12" Disc brake donor cars for 67 a-body????

Hi,
     I have a 67 442 that I will be using the disc brake set up from a 73 "A"
body. I have never done this before but a company in California, H-O Racing
Specialties 4708 Marine Ave. Lawndale, CA 90260 (310) 973-7078 does this and
had info on what parts from what cars to use. This info is a few years old so
don't know if this ifo is corect address wise. I plan on using the
proportioning valve from the 73. If I remember right this is a direct bolt on
for the 67.  Hope this helps       Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 11:35:30 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: More 70 442 parts needed

Hi,
     As I get closer to finishing this car I find that I am missing more than
I thought. I am in need of a heat pipe from the right manifold schroud to the
air cleaner. Also need a complete set of black seat belts including shoulder
harnesses. Still looking for a 408863 accelerater cable.             Thanks
   Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
 

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:07:39 -0500
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: cutlass clubs

Are there any cutlass clubs that i could join
that have monthly newsletters? I know of the oldsmobile
club - but how much cutlass info is there?
They don't specialize in cutlass' do they?
I have a 71 c/s convertible

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 12:37:10 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

> out of here after I salvage what I need. It would be terrible to let a
> semi-classic like that get watsed in a scrap crusher.
> Everything else is yours if you want it.

        Hey Matt, what is the interior like in the car?  Bench or buckets?
What's the car's colour scheme?  Also what engine does the car have?  And is
the rear end a 10 or 12 bolt?  I know this might be stretching it, but would
you happen to know if the rear end is posi and perhaps even the ratio?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 12:38:16 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

In a message dated 97-11-09 10:20:27 EST, you write:

<< Everything else is yours if you want it.
 >>
What options does the car have? 

DrkSole

73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 13:40:09 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

jim, interior is easy to install, did mine in a day.  71w-30 conv.    steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:19:36 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: misc. parts for sale; 68-72

looking around the shop today i saw i had a few extra parts laying around and
could use some room.  (3) rad. core supports for 70 cutlass, (1) rear deck
lid 71 cutlass coupe, (1) rear deck lid for 70 cutlass coupe, (1) rear deck
lid for 70 cs, (1) rear deck lid for 69 cutlass s, have frt. clip for 69
cutlass s,   frt.bumper for 68 cutlass,   rear bumper for 69 cutlass,  lots
of glass,all years,  dash boards and pads 68-72,  70 350 eng. x mann., 64 442
bellhouseing and x mann., 70 sx chrome for vinyl top , and the 2" wide strip
on the side, 70-71-72 frt. bumpers, 71-72 rear bumpers, 70 chrome headlight
bezels, glove box doors 68-72 (more than i can count),  70-72 vista cruzer
parts,  if interested email me                   w30442cs@aol.com
              steven.

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 14:47:28 -0500 (EST)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: ss1's FOR SALE

FOR SALE: set of 5 ss1 wheels. good conition. 

$250 and you pay the shipping

reply directly to me

brent (bman6771@aol.com)

1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:00:58 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

Trevor Lee wrote:
> 
> > out of here after I salvage what I need. It would be terrible to let a
> > semi-classic like that get watsed in a scrap crusher.
> > Everything else is yours if you want it.
> 
>         Hey Matt, what is the interior like in the car?  Bench or buckets?
> What's the car's colour scheme?  Also what engine does the car have?  And is
> the rear end a 10 or 12 bolt?  I know this might be stretching it, but would
> you happen to know if the rear end is posi and perhaps even the ratio?

DrkSole wrote:
>
>What options does the car have? 

Seats are black, somewhat torn benches. The car is red. It is an
Inline-6 w/ TH350. I'm assuming it's a 10 bolt with either a 2.73 or
3.08 ratio, open diff. It's a pretty standard car. No A/C, think it has
an AM/FM radio. Not sure about this. I was only concerned about towing
it back to the body shop where my 73 sits so I could pull what I needed
out later.

If you have anything specific that you would like me to check out, I'd
be more than happy to.

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:05:58 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 1970 w-31 engine

How am I to identify if the 1970 350 which I have before me is a W-31
engine? I know the valves are supposed to measure out to 2", but what
other kind of stuff should I look for? I know I should look at the
Intake manifold to be sure, but I don't have access to it right now. It
has a Nodular crank, if that helps.
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**********************************

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:17:51 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

> If you have anything specific that you would like me to check out, I'd
> be more than happy to.

        Thanx, Matt.  I can't think of anything major that I'd need from an
optionless Cutlass such as that one at the moment - all my body panels and stuff
are in good condition and the only thing I really need would be taillights for a
'76-'77 Cutlass Supreme Coupe or Cutlass Salon.  Thanx, though, bud!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:19:12 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET

In a message dated 97-11-09 04:34:52 EST, you write:

<< 	
 Please, enough already about whose car is faster than whose...the traffic
 is high enough on this list without hearing people who'll never run in to
  >>
lighten up francis!!!.......you gotta have a little fun.....but theres no way
im gonna let mr penn st say his stock quad442 eats up 5.0's.oh yeh, he has
200k and orig belts and hoses.
 Look, i love all oldsmobiles, but claims like that r rediculous. Gee I hope
I never run into him w/my 390 4spd Mach 1, ill b shakin in my boots!! Gotta
go play w/the 86 salon now.
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:23:08 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: fastest 442?

In a message dated 97-11-09 07:18:55 EST, you write:

<< =================
 Ah, faster than a 489.473284 HP 307? Shyeah, right! Wake up & smell the
rubber,
 dude!
  >>
what was i thinking???? Im sorry, i stand corrected........:-[
boohoohooo

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:35:26 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Final Note Quad 4

In a message dated 97-11-09 13:39:16 EST, you write:

<< 
 IGNORANCE IS BLISS >>
This is from the guy who has 200k on his car w/orig belts and hoses??

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:47:48 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chroming

   Here is a place in New England that does excellent work!!!!
   his prices are very reasonable and turn around time is very good
   he does excellent fabrication if needed, prices include straightening but
fabrication is a litlle more depends on how much work involved.
  He does all my work for myself as well as my customers and everyone is
satisfied. He stands behind his work 100% which is good.

New England Bumper  1-401-434-6300   Joe  E-Mail   customchrome@juno.com
1 Dexter Rd
East Providence, R.I. 02916

Everett  OCA#1961   1961 Starfire


E&G Automotive
P.O. Box 16095
Rumford, R.I. 02916

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 15:51:03 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetin's and Salutations

In a message dated 97-11-09 04:55:32 EST, you write:

<< 468 BigBlock Chevy motor.  I'v >>
chevy!!!!!! in an OLDS???????   sorry to many BB OLDS around to do that..
Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:10:19 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for beauty rings

whats the gm paet # for the rings??
Bernie

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:19:10 -0500 (EST)
From: CCRR12@aol.com
Subject: 57 OLDS J/2

Anybody have a 57? I would like to hear from another 57 owner. Currently
doing
my second restoration on this car I have owned since 1975.

Randy of Okla
57 88 HC

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:34:03 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 190 million hp....1/2s ET

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-11-09 04:34:52 EST, you write:
> 
> <<
>  Please, enough already about whose car is faster than whose...the traffic
>  is high enough on this list without hearing people who'll never run in to
>   >>
> lighten up francis!!!.......you gotta have a little fun.....but theres no way
> im gonna let mr penn st say his stock quad442 eats up 5.0's.oh yeh, he has
> 200k and orig belts and hoses.

> Bernie

I would say Mr. Penn State, if that is indeed his school, is a little
sadder today after the Michigan game yesterday.  Final score was a whole
lot for Michigan and not much for PSU at PSU in Happy Valley.  Just a
game.  

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky
(definitely NOT a football state)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 97 16:33:43 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 w-31 engine

Matt Cremean writes:
>How am I to identify if the 1970 350 which I have before me is a W-31
>engine?

1970 W-31
- - Cylinder Head: Casting #403859, #6 Heads, One rib at end, 2.000" 
Intake, 1.625" Exhaust
- - Camshaft: #402194, look for last three digits on gear end side of cam
- - Intake Manifold: Casting #406114, Aluminum
- - Cylinder Block: Casting #3955582
- - Carburetor: ID #7040255 (Automatic) or #7040253 (Manual)
- - Distributor: Part #1111975
- - Harmonic Balancer: Super thick, not quite twice as thick as a standard 
engine
- - Pistons: Flat Pistons, two notches on top, top notch looks like a 
bullet, the bottom looks like a half moon
- - Crankshaft: Casting #393654, Nodular Iron, not sure on this one...




Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:41:24 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Instrument cluster swap

Hello all.... I remember reading an article somewhere about a year ago
where a person had swapped out their g-body instrument cluster for one from
a grand prix. Has anyone else heard this? The idiot lights on mine are
about to drive me crazy - and the ralley pack still only goes up to 85 mph. 

Has anyone else read that article or swapped out their cluster? I'm trying
to figuire out exactly which cluster I should swap in and how much work it
would entail.

Thanks for ya'lls help


T. H. Shires		81 CSB RCKT 350

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 16:50:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Nathan Wayne Anderson <na370197@oak.cats.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

i don't know if this will help, but i talked to a guy who owned a '56
Olds. His Email is Wilwaycin@aol.com

Nathan Anderson
65 Olds 442
89 Chevy S-10


On Sun, 9 Nov 1997 CCRR12@aol.com wrote:

> Anybody have a 57? I would like to hear from another 57 owner. Currently
> doing
> my second restoration on this car I have owned since 1975.
> 
> Randy of Okla
> 57 88 HC
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:48:16 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88\

>	Searching the web I found this very interesting decoding of carb id's. =
>May be is of interest to someone.=20
>
>P.D. I still need help.
>
>
>eJ8+IikWAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAEIgAcAGAAAAElQTS5NaWNy
>b3NvZnQgTWFpbC5Ob3RlADEIAQ2ABAACAAAAAgACAAEEkAYA0AEAAAEAAAAQAAAAAwAAMAIAAAAL
 [snip of five pages of the same...]
>AAAeAAM3AQAAAAUAAAAuaHRtAAAAAAMABTcBAAAAHgAHNwEAAAAMAAAAY2FyYmlkcy5odG0AAwAL
>N4YAAAADAPp/AAAAAEAA+38AQN2jV0WzDEAA/H8AQN2jV0WzDAMA/X8AAAAACwD+fwAAAAADACEO
>JaEAAFIl

Well, as far as I can tell from the list you posted, your carb is
originally for a 1938 AQN2jV0WzDEAA H8AQN2. Does that help?  ;)

[No, seriously, what were you trying to post?]
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:08:11 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: 1st gear ratio's

> Does any one know what the first gear ratio' were on the turo 350, 400, 200r4
> ect.?

        Clarence,
                You might wanna check out the following page my friend hosts -
although he's a Ford nut, he's got almost 60 different transmission gear ratios
and info listed, including GM trannies!  The URL is:
http://www.iaw.on.ca/~aubertin/88mgt/misc/tranny.htm
        Hope this helps ya out.  The only one he doesn't have that you asked for
is the 200R4 - I'm still looking for the specs on that one myself.  Maybe I'm
just not looking hard enough - anybody out there know the specs on the 200R4?
(gear ratios, etc)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:29:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Need Ideas - Hood Repair

A friend of mine called tonight with a sad story. He has a '70 Cutlass 
and the hood had a nasty rattle in it. The diagnosis was that some of the 
inner bracing and outer panel had separated, though you couldn't see any 
gaps. 

He decided the way to eliminate the rattle was to use some of that
foam-in-a-can stuff. So he shot some of it into the inner bracing. It
fixed the rattle, and he was happy -- until he turned the hood over a few
days later. He tells me that it is as wavy as the ocean (I haven't seen it
yet). Apparently the foam expanded as it cured and distorted the hood. It
must be mighty powerful stuff to move metal like that. Anyway, he feels
sick now. :(

He is desperate for ideas. He's going to experiment with what will
dissolve the cured foam -- thinners, acetone, stripper, god knows what --
if anyone knows, pass it along. Assuming he can do that, then he'll try to
return the hood to it's original shape with some gentle persuasion. If
anyone has any ideas, let me know and I'll pass them on. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:31:03 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Greetin's and Salutations

> << 468 BigBlock Chevy motor.  I'v >>
> chevy!!!!!! in an OLDS???????   sorry to many BB OLDS around to do that..

        My situation, Bernie, was that I purchased my two 454s before I had
the Cutlass (bought 'em back in the summer of '95) - I was originally
intending on putting one of 'em into my '76 Monte Carlo, but the more I
checked the car over the crappier and crappier it appeared - just too much
work to make it decent.  My bro only sold me the Cutlass back in the fall of
'96.  So I decided to make a nifty little project out of it.  Next year or
the year after that if I transplant the 468 into a different car and can FIND
a BB Oldsie motor (there AREN'T that many up this way - I'm about 10 minutes
away from Niagara Falls, CANADA) I'd happily drop a tricked out 455 in it's
place.  Until then I'm using what I've got and I very much anticipate the
results.
        BTW, don't forget that GM itself put Chevy motors into
Oldsie/Buick/Pontiac cars starting around the mid-late 70s.  And besides, I'm
aiming for a killer project car that nobody else has.  We've already got a
'76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (same colour as mine even) with a 455 in it
around these parts.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 18:00:22 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

i thought all Gbodies had 4 brls


At 12:27 AM 11/8/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>>      No, they didn't.  The only G-body cars to come with the Turbo Buick 

>>>      3.8 liter V-6 from the factory were the Regal T-Type, the GN, the GNX, 

>>>      and the Monte Carlo.

>>

>>Actually thats an 89 Turbo Trans Am that had the 3.8, not the Monte Carlo.

>>They tried a turbo on a small V8 in the Monte in the early 80's (81?) and

>>it was a dog,,, leave it to CH*V.......TIM

>

>I recall a Motor Trend road-test of the Turbo Monte (believe it was an '80,

>before the went with the revised body style; also had those odd "chessboard"

>aluminum wheels...), and I distinctly recall it being a 3.8L turbo V-6,

>though I'm not sure if it was a 231ci Buick motor or a 229ci Chevy motor; I

>recall the article being a bit vague on that point at that time (after all,

>heck, it was _Motor_Trend_!). I don't think the Pontiac 301ci turbo V-8 made

>it into any production cars besides the T/A, though there was talk at the

>time about expanded applications.

>

>Come to think of it, every GM division has at one time or another had a

>Turbo motor of its own design exclusive to it, though Chevy itself never

>produced a turbo V-8 (not counting the Callaway conversions as factory cars).

>

>As for the 4-bbl Olds, the '79 H/O and the '80 442's would have had them on

>their 350's, but '78 may indeed have been the only year that an Olds Cutlass

>was not available with a 4-bbl V-8 motor.

>

>As a small aside, even some Buick turbo V-6 motors were 2-bbl's back in the

>early days.

>_______________________________________________________

>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

>

>

>

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 18:20:41 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: More 70 442 parts needed

steve i have some blk seat belts and heat pipe don't know what engine it fits

 thanks  jeff

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 16:34:22 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: defroster

Did Olds put rear defrosters in the 70-72 Vista Cruisers?  If so does
anyone have the parts.?  Rear glass, dash switch etc,etc

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:04:50 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Weak (was High-Output) Headlights

> Look on the ~bright~ side since they are a ford product they probable
> won't be on the road for long :)

I pray for just that, every time I see one ;)
 
> One thing you can do to make sure you are getting everything out of
> your
> headlights is to check the voltage on the sockets for the lights.

Which brings up another ~highly~ common problem with headlights, the
ground connection.  If you have any doubt about the power of the lights,
or one is noticably brighter, check their ground connection.  It's quite
common for these to corrode on a number of vehicles, especially on those
that ground near the battery.  I've seen this most prevalant on the
73-87 che*y pickups, but our Olds's are by no means exempt from this
problem.  A good, clean, tight connection, and possibly a new ring
terminal there should bring them back to specs.  Never rely on bare
wires wrapped around a bolt, either, (that's a che*y fix) It may remedy
the situation, but it'll come back to haunt you worse than before...

Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:17:36 -0500
From: Phung Van Nguyen <nvp@interpath.com>
Subject: Vacuum routes

Hello everyones:

I just joint to club about less than 24hrs ago.
I have 1979 oldsmobile cutlass supreme. I need your helps, I took all
vacuum hoses off during replacing intake manifold, push rods and valve
cover. Now I do not know how to put it back.

I am more than happy to pay if you could hand draw, pictures, fax, blue
print...

Thank you very much

Here is my car info:

260CID (4.3L) Automatic Trans

My tel: 919-790-6797., fax: 919-790-7156
My address: 4406 Wake Forest rd., 250A
	    Raleigh, NC. 27609

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:21:38 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine called tonight with a sad story. He has a '70 Cutlass
> and the hood had a nasty rattle in it.
> He decided the way to eliminate the rattle was to use some of that
> foam-in-a-can stuff. So he shot some of it into the inner bracing.
> Apparently the foam expanded as it cured and distorted the hood.
> It must be mighty powerful stuff to move metal like that.

Ouch.  I was afraid this story was about to end that way...  I've heard
of that happening before.  (never on a hood, but I've heard horror
stories, anyway).  These foam cans come in a variety of strengths, I
guess, varying between minimum expansion and maximum expansion, I
think.  Apparantly your friend found out his expands quite well :(  A
good lesson to be learned by the rest of us who may be faced with
similar situations.  Ouch...

> Anyway, he feels sick now.

Quite understandably so...
> 
> He is desperate for ideas. He's going to experiment with what will
> dissolve the cured foam -- thinners, acetone, stripper, god knows what

Remember, the moon is made out of this very same material.  The
government never released the exact details, but it's assumed that they
were experimenting with a testing station on the old Skylab many years
ago.  They wanted to see what this stuff does in space (how much will it
~realy~ expand???) so they shot some into a crater on the moon.  The
moon exploded, and this stuff took it's place.  (Some of you may have
noticed it got bigger a few years back?)

For disolving it, I don't remember any substance known to man that did
the trick very well.  (It's been a while though, so any thoughts are
welcome, I'm sure...)  I'm afraid it won't do much good to get the stuff
out of there, I'd guess the metal will stay where it's at, unless some
~serious~ metal work is done, which I'm assuming is something he isn't
wanting to tackle.  

What kind of Olds is it, and what area(s) of the hood are damaged? 
Would some form of aftermarket cowl induction hood scoop cover it and
look acceptable?  If not, I think he'd be better off to save the
headscratching for a salvage lot search.  The situation doesn't look
good...

Future rattle cures?  Try some of that windshield urethane sealer.  You
get it in a caulking tube at virtually any parts store, and it should
cure similar rattles quickly, I'd assume...  I'm not sure what the
factory used, but I think this stuff would substitute just fine.


- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 17:28:27 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Instrument cluster swap

Tracy H. Shires wrote:
> 
> Hello all.... I remember reading an article somewhere about a year ago
> where a person had swapped out their g-body instrument cluster for one
> from

Well, I've swapped out mine a few times...  As for the Grand Prix,
you're looking at some work.  You'd need to swap the entire dash, from
pillar to pillar, to stick it in there and have it look right (flat rate
for one R&R was over 8 hours, as I recall).  The GP speedo is
considerably larger (the ones I've seen) so swapping into the rallyepac
would be a trick...  I've got a canadian GP speedo, and liked the idea
of the #140 at the bottom of it ;)  Never stuck it in anything though. 
I've got a heads-up display from a 90's GranPrix, it (supposedly) goes
to 199?  Works awesome, but looks odd on the dash.  Also, tons of work,
and much harder to find.  You want something cool and different, get the
rallypac cluster pull the cores out, and relpace them with Cyberdyne (or
equivalent) digital guages.  I've always wanted to do mine in
flourescents, but never did.  $350 would outfit it quite nicely, from
the digging I'd done before.

- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 19:38:34 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Cutlass 'S'

In a message dated 97-11-09 14:10:11 EST, you write:

<<         Hey Matt, what is the interior like in the car?  Bench or buckets?
 What's the car's colour scheme?  Also what engine does the car have?  And is
 the rear end a 10 or 12 bolt?  I know this might be stretching it, but would
 you happen to know if the rear end is posi and perhaps even the ratio?
 -- >>

Well, by 75 they were only using the 8.5" corporate 10 bolt in the a-bodies..
and most everything else.. I think only the trucks got 12-bolts after 72.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 21:00:36 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 1st gear ratio's

Trevor Lee wrote:
> 
> > Does any one know what the first gear ratio' were on the turo 350, 400, 200r4
> > ect.?
> 
>         Clarence,
>                 You might wanna check out the following page my friend hosts -
>         Hope this helps ya out.  The only one he doesn't have that you asked for
> is the 200R4 -  - anybody out there know the specs on the 200R4?
> (gear ratios, etc)

2004R gear ratios:
1st  2.74
2nd  1.57
3rd  1.00
4th  0.67


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

> --
> Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
> Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
> mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 20:06:09 -0500
From: Mark Williams <mhwil@erols.com>
Subject: Electrical Brake Indicator Light problems

My brake indicator light on my 1986 Olds 88 comes on when making a sharp
turn. The dealer tried twice and failed, it's not worth the money to
keep them trying.  They say it is not the brake master cylinder, brake
system or anything but an electrical problem. Can anyone give me a clue
as to what the problem is and how to fix it?

------------------------------

Date: 9 Nov 1997 17:21:51 -0800
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: Re: suspension modifications

>Return-Path: <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
>Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:06:13 -0500
>X-Sender: rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu
>To: floydfan@mail.wiltel.net
>From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
>Subject: Re: suspension modifications
>
>At 07:13 PM 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>
>Here are a few of the relevant posts; somebody who subscribes to the digest
>format may have a complete copy of this discussion on hand to send to you.
>**********************************************************************
>>Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 08:18:29 -0500
>>From: Terrill Yuhas <tyuhas@mail.arl.arizona.edu>
>>Subject: Re: F-body knuckle swap into A-body; handling improvements
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>> >
>>> >Yes, HO Racing is no longer in parts-selling business but he now has
>>> >set up a tech-advice-only service (called something along the lines of
>>> >HO Enterprises).  I can dig up the phone number if anyone is
>>> >interested.  The parts he used to sell are now being distributed by
>>> >another company if anyone is interested in that too.
>>> >
>>> >Terrill
>>> 
>>> Interested!!!
>>
>>HO Enterprises - 888 703 4477
>>Malibu Performance - 818 222 6725 (selling most of the HO Racing
>>inventory)
>>
>>Terrill
>**********************************************************************
>>Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:51:00 -0500
>>From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
>>Subject: More on the Knuckle Sandwich
>>To: "'Olds Page'" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>Doug Ahern did a nice job on describing the knuckle sandwich conversion.
>> Having read both of his sources, I endorse his statements.  Doug asked
>>for input from a person who did this conversion, so here is my $0.02.
>>
>>As an alternative to using the F-body knuckle, consider using the
>>knuckle from a GM full-size wagon w/ 12 in. rotors.  The increased
>>knuckle height is the same, and so is the ball joint/ tie rod end info,
>>but by using the station wagon knuckles, you can use the early-90's 1LE
>>Camaro 12" super beefy rotors (which have a 5x4.75 bolt pattern).  The
>>caliper/pad is the same as the standard A-body disc caliper, and you
>>have 12" front disc brakes.  I did this conversion in '91, and it gives
>>outstanding results.  I also put in all urethane bushings, TRW  70 442
>>w/o  AC coils (500+ lb rate) and switched to 245/60 VR15 Eagle
>>Gatorbacks on 15x8 wheels (minimum of 15" wheels are needed for the 12"
>>brakes).  Handling is top notch.
>>
>>One thing Doug did not mention in his excellent post was the use of
>>offset upper control arm shafts.  Originally designed to cure frame sag
>>in old A-bodies whose caster could not be set even if all shims were
>>removed, you use these shafts but install them with the offset facing
>>the frame (backwards).  With this set-up, you can dial in some serious
>>caster (and high-speed stability) without having a huge stack of shims
>>installed.  Using the standard control arm shafts means lots of shims if
>>you do the knuckle conversion.  I will have to do some detective work to
>>find out the TRW parts used for the conversion, since H/O would not tell
>>me the parts source they used, even though I did buy the kit from them.
>>I believe H/O is named after Hern and Osterstock, the two gentlemen who
>>are/were its owners.  Now that it is defunct, maybe they will share the
>>info.  I have a friend who is a serious Pontiac man (and also did this
>>conversion).  I'm sure he can get the info.  FWIW, using a Vericom
>>accelerometer mounted in the side window (for skidpad measurement), his
>>'70 GTO did in the low .9G range as well, with stock sway bars and
>>255/60 VR 60 Eagle Gatorbacks.  A-bodies handle!
>>
>>Scott Mullen
>>'70 442
>**********************************************************************
>>Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 17:10:00 -0500
>>From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
>>Subject: F-body to A-body disc brake swap
>>To: "'Olds Page'" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>>From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@DADC.com>
>>>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:58:02 -0400
>>>Subject: Re: F-body to A-body Disc brake swap> I know of several
>>>people
>>>who have tried the F-body disc brakes on GTO's, most notably on a '70.  You
>>>have to have about 1 INCH of shims on the control arms to get the settings
>>>right, which is one reason why they yanked them off their Goats and went to
>>>other disc brakes.
>>
>>The solution to this problem is to buy the special offset upper control
>>arm shafts that are (were) available from HO racing.  I assume they are
>>also available from NAPA or the like.  These shafts are offset to
>>compensate for frame sag on old cars, since in that condition, you can
>>remove all of the shims and still not be in specs.  By installing them
>>backwards (i.e. with the offset towards the frame), you can eliminate
>>the vast majority of the shims mentioned in the post!
>>
>>I swapped full size late-80's Olds wagon (?--Body) knuckles onto my '70
>>442 with no problems.  I gained the DRASTICALLY improved roll-center
>>advantage, the larger wheel bearings, and super beefy 12" GM rotors from
>>the Camaro w/1LE brakes.  If you used these offset shafts with the
>>F-body knuckles, I think you don't even need to change ball joints or
>>outer tie rod ends.  The station wagon knuckle swap was a simple bolt up
>>, using my original calipers and pad sizes, with the only  work being
>>slightly enlarging the stud holes in the rotors to accept standard
>>thread wheel studs in place of the metric ones provided on the rotors
>>from GM.  I have very few alignment shims installed, and was able to
>>gain lots of caster for high speed stability.  HO used to sell a
>>upper/lower ball joint/outer tie rod kit for this for about $150.  I'm
>>sure some time with a TRW catalog would enable you to pick out the
>>correct taper ball joints and rod ends.  HO would not divulge the part
>>numbers to me, even after I bought the kit from them!  I will have to
>>call their number to see if there is anybody still around who will spill
>>the beans.  If not, I'll be the one looking through my TRW catalog!
>>
>>Scott Mullen
>>'70 442 with the big discs
>**********************************************************************
>>To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@DADC.com>
>>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 05:58:02 -0500
>>Subject: Re: F-body to A-body Disc brake swap
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>At 03:30 PM 12/4/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>>>From Tom Lesniak, Reading, Pa
>>>  Yes you can swap '70-'81 F-body spindles, rotors, and calibers to 
>>>'64-'72 A-body cars.
>>>  You need special ball joints and outer tie-rod ends and off-set 
>>>upper control arm shafts.
>>>  'Hot Rod' did an article back in June, 1987 about a company by the 
>>>name of H-O Racing Specialities, 4708 Marine Ave., Lawndale, CA 
>>>90260. Tele. (310) 973-7078 Who made this swap.
>>
>>Is the article you are talking about Old Goat New Tricks, featuring the '64
>GTO 
>>of Ken Crocie (sp?) and a new ZR1.  I heard, from this list I think, that Ken 
>>at H-O Racing went out of business in Sept., bummer.  I know of several
people 
>>who have tried the F-body disc brakes on GTO's, most notably on a '70.  You 
>>have to have about 1 INCH of shims on the control arms to get the settings 
>>right, which is one reason why they yanked them off their Goats and went to 
>>other disc brakes.  They also just didn't like the F-body setup.  I think 
>>several people on the list in the last several weeks posted all the info and 
>>parts needed to do a disc brake conversion using parts from the following, 
>>doing this from memory so bear with me,
>>67-74 Nova's and clones
>>68-72 Buick Specials                                                   I
would 
>>personally use only the single piston
>>68-72 Chevelle                                                               
>>calipers as I've heard not many good things
>>69-72 Grand Prix                                                            
>>about the dual piston calipers on '67s
>>67-72 Tempest
>>and I think some others, someone else can probably finish this list.  From
the 
>>donor car you will need to take everything from the spindle to the dust cap, 
>>along with a combination valve, which is the valve that distributes the brake 
>>fluid via the brake lines to both front wheels, rear wheels and incorporates 
>>the brake warning light switch,  you will also need a disc brake master 
>>cylinder along with possibly the brake lines that go from the master to the 
>>combination valve, I reused one of my originals when I converted my '71
>Skylark 
>>to front discs as the fitting was the correct size on the old line.
>Someone on 
>>this list also mentioned a very important part that I forgot when I did this 
>>swap, which is the disc brake hose brackets that bolt to the frame and
connect 
>>the flexible brake hoses to the hard steel brake lines.  And of course you 
>>should purchase new disc brake hoses.  There was an article in the Sept? '86 
>>Hot Rod called Brake Dancing that listed the donor vehicles for this swap, I 
>>can check that article and post the list of donor's if anyone is interested.  
>>Also, I think someone posted that there where only two places that they
>knew of 
>>where you could buy the special ball joints, upper input shafts and tie
>rods to 
>>convert to F-body disc brakes, with H-O Racing now out of business, that only 
>>leaves Global West unless someone else found another place.  I would bet
there 
>>are probably some others.
>>Incidentally, when I converted my Skylark to front discs I purchased a kit
>from 
>>an individual in Riverside,CA for $375.  It included all new GM parts from
the 
>>spindle to the dust cap, a new combination valve and brake lines from the 
>>master to the combo valve.  I also bought a '66 GTO from this guy so he
>knocked 
>>off $20 on the brake kit.  I then purchased new disc brake hoses from Year
>One, 
>>about $32 each if I remember right.  Also purchased the aforementioned disc 
>>brake hose mounting brackets from Chicago Muscle Car Parts for $40, kinda
>steep 
>>if you ask me.  Finally, I had the master cylinder replaced at Midas many 
>>months before and told the guy I would be converting to front discs and he
>told 
>>me there was no difference between a disc and drum master cylinder.  After 
>>talking to some other people, we believe he is wrong although my cars drives 
>>and most importantly stops fine with the disc brakes and I'm guessing 
>>drum-there-is-no-difference-from-disc brake master cylinder.
>>
>>Chris Smetana
>>Terre Haute,IN
>>1969 Cutlass W-31
>>2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
>>1971 Skylark convertible - with the disc brakes - for sale
>>1989 Mustang 5.0 LX hatchback
>**********************************************************************
>>Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 16:11:44 -0500
>>From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>
>>To: rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU
>>Subject: A body Handleing
>>
>>     
>>     Robert,
>>     
>>     I've experienced the same problem with the people over at H.O.
>>     So I found another place that (IMHO) was alot better:
>>     
>>     Global West Suspension Components
>>     1423 E. Philadelphia
>>     Ontario, CA 91761
>>     (909)923-6176
>>     
>>     The guys there were very knowledgeable and helpful and their catalog 
>>     was really good. I called quite a few times back when I was doing 
>>     research on improving the handling of my '68.
>>     
>>     -Michael
>>     mcalvo@hologic.com
>**********************************************************************
>>Comments: Authenticated sender is <kelleyll@mailman.enter.net>
>>From: kelleyll@enter.net
>>Organization: Enter.Net
>>To: RBarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU
>>Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 15:01:36 -0500
>>Subject: Disc brake swap
>>Priority: normal
>>
>>Robert,
>>  The last address and telephone number I have is in the original 
>>e-mail you read. This is from three years ago.
>>  H-O Racing Specialities, 4708 Marine Ave., Lawndale, CA 90260. 
>>Tele. (310) 973-7078.
>>  I originally had the same problem and called the operator to find 
>>that their area code number had been changed. I still hope that they 
>>are still in business.
>>  You said you have a SX. I'm not familiar with them because I just 
>>started getting interested in Olds this summer. Can you clue me in.
>>  I don't know that your spindles will work. If ball joints and tie 
>>rod end can be matched up to your control arms you will be OK. If 
>>your donor spindles are 
>>taller they will spread the control arms wider and new settings will 
>>be needed for front-end alignment. Will you know what they will be?
>>  There is an error in my letter for alignment specs. They should 
>>read: Caster +3 1/2 degrees, camber -1/2 degree, toe-in 1/8''.
>>  '70-81 Camaro spindles are 11 3/4'' tall and the A-body's ('64-'72) were 
>>10 3/4''. This will give you an idea where you will stand.
>>  Tom Lesniak
>>  Reading, PA
>**********************************************************************
>>Comments: Authenticated sender is <kelleyll@mailman.enter.net>
>>From: kelleyll@enter.net
>>Organization: Enter.Net
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 15:30:34 -0500
>>Subject: F-body to A-body Disc brake swap
>>Priority: normal
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>>From Tom Lesniak, Reading, Pa
>>  Yes you can swap '70-'81 F-body spindles, rotors, and calibers to 
>>'64-'72 A-body cars.
>>  You need special ball joints and outer tie-rod ends and off-set 
>>upper control arm shafts.
>>  'Hot Rod' did an article back in June, 1987 about a company by the 
>>name of H-O Racing Specialities, 4708 Marine Ave., Lawndale, CA 
>>90260. Tele. (310) 973-7078 Who made this swap.
>>  They also added 1-1/4'' sway bar up front and 1'' on the back, new 
>>polyurethane bushings. H-O 
>>claimed that the F-body spindles were taller and would change the 
>>geometry of the front end. This would raise the roll-center from 2'' 
>>below ground to 2'' above ground. Camber is changed from +1/2 to 
>>-1/2, caster is changed from +1/2 all the way to -3-1/2!
>>Hot Rod tested a '64 GTO before and after. The after test had 16'' 
>>wheels and peformance tires. This car was put on a skid pad and 
>>recorded a .96G which was equal to the newest Vette and better than a 
>>IROC!
>>  I personally made the change on a 67 Chevelle (I also have a '65 
>>F-85) and would have to say that the change was startling different. 
>>I had to relearn to drive the car. This suspension is very fast and I 
>>had to add a faster steering box from a '72 Cutlass.
>>  My only problem is that I can stop so fast that my oil light comes 
>>on. I will have to get a baffled oil pan.
>>  I bought my parts from H-O. They also sent me a reprint of the Hot 
>>Rod article. 
>>  Anyone who is not worried about originality and want a good 
>>cornering car should check this out. Like I said the difference is 
>>startling.
>>  Tom Lesniak, Reading, Pa
>**********************************************************************
>
>That's all I could dig up; some are from previous discussions on this list
>that I happened to have copies of. I might have some more posts on my
>machine at work. The above should get you started.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>

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