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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 24 1997       Volume 01 : Number 921



Re: What does EGR do?
Re: Convertible Top hose
Re: molding removal
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Olds' for sale, E. WA, N. ID
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: No Olds Performance Offerings
Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels
Re: MT => AT swap
Re: Octane booster
200-4R HELP!
Re: Drunk drivers (started out as an Olds topic...)
Wanted Quarter panel
Re: Build Sheet
Unsubscibe
Unsubscibe
How do I get off this mailing list
Got the 77 Toro
'78 Delta Road Trip
Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: exhaust
cracked Sport Coupes
Re: Wanted Quarter panel
Re: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
Re: Halls Salvage
Re: 200-4R HELP!
Re: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.
Re: 200-4R HELP!
Re: What does EGR do?
Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$
394 FAQ stuff, and 371 differences
Re: Octane booster
700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??
Re: A trade
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: Olds Myth or Fact?
RE: Another Olds Song?
Re: distributors
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
RE: Olds Myth or Fact?
Re: Convertible Top hose
Re: General question
Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
Re:67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
My Classic Car Photo Contest Prizes
Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$
Gear ratios
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: Convertible Top hose
Re: funny bracket
Re: Halls Salvage
Re: distributors
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??
Re: Halls Salvage
Re: Got the 77 Toro

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:14:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

While this thread is going... I might as well ask, does anybody know of a
source (besides a mig welder) (besides JEGS) for an EGR block-off plate?

Thanks,
Clayton Pierce
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:30:56 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

- ----------
> From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Convertible Top hose
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 9:46 AM
>
> , does anyone have a
> Motor/pumps/hoses set they'd be willing to sell?  Thanks.
>
Sure I do $125.00 Complete System
E me if your are interested

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1970 442 Conv
1970 W-31
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass Conv. (13.4 ET)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:19:35 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: Re: molding removal

.  So does anyone know how to get the drip rail molding off?  I
>am at

Travis ,  everyone told me not to attempt taking off the drip rail.
"you'll bend it"
 Well, like you, if you're going to paint it why would you leave them on?

Here's what I did.  I took a wooden paint stick and cut it to about 5
inches.
starting at the front, sitting on the front seat, put the end of the
stick against the bottom edge and tap it with a small hammer. Work the
first 6 to 8 inches. Once it starts coming the rest is easy.

Good Luck

BRO
65 <4|4|2> coupe

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:51:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:19:00 EDT, you write:

<< And the hood rises along the fins vertically. >>

I'm having difficulty picturing that.

Tom

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:56:04 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Olds' for sale, E. WA, N. ID

I saw the following ads, thought someone here might be interested:

'78 to '82 Olds Cutlass parts.  Body, Mechanical, and wheels.
Everything must go.  509-747-4302

'67 Olds Toronado, project car.  FWD Big block, runs & drives.  Good for
parts or restoration.  $475 OBO.  509-326-5623, Jim.

And a friend of mine wants to get rid of his '66 D88.  I just went to
look at it today and decided I didn't want it.  He told me $100, but you
might even be able to talk him down from there.  In Coeur D'Alene, ID.
4 door, brown.  Very little rust.  Dent in driver's side rear.  Dent
down driver's side, along both doors and rear quarter.  Not too serious,
doors still open and close okay.  Hood, fenders, and front bumper very
straight.  Interior in poor shape, bench seat.  2bbl C-headded big
block, looks all original, ran fine when it was shut off 2 years ago.
If you plan on trying to drive it away, at a minimum I noticed you'll
need some fuel hose, it was rotted and broken (but the fuel pump looked
nearly new), and probably at least two tires (flat and dry-rotted).  Not
dual exhaust.  E-mail me and I can put you in contact with him.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:03:05 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!
>
> GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
>          around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
>          that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no information.
>          One source said they recalled Steve McQueen driving such a
>          car once (he was a contemporary of McQueen's, and raced with
>          him a few times), and he remembered Steve saying it was a
>          beast, too much power, hard to control, and easy to roll over!!! I
>          can find no CONCRETE info confirming this. Anyone?

YES!  I recall seeing something on this.  If I remember correctly, the
car was shortened, which made it look quite strange.  I'll see if I can
dig up the info (and a picture) on this.  BTW, I thought it was someone
other than Steve M. that drove the car.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

> >Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
> >people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do this,
>  [snip]
> >over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
> >anyway?
>
> None. When the A/C on a Cutlass is not engaged, the pully freewheels, and
> thus doesn't consume any horsepower. If you want to have that much more
> horsepower, leave the belt on and turn off the air conditioner.
> __________________________________________________________
> Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu


A guy once told me that he used to remove his alternator belt when he
raced.  He pulled juice from the battery for the duration of the run.  you
have to have supreme confidence in your battery to do this, I would think.

I think that's going the extra 1/4 mile for more power!  I don't know what
the HP savings is, though.
- --
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:07:57 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: No Olds Performance Offerings

DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-10-22 21:42:34 EDT, you write:

>
> For that kind of money, I'd think about a Shelby Cobra repop (Unique
> Motorcars has a very nice lineup and a clear disclaimer that they are not
> associated with F*rd - what a relief!) with a tough 427 cid.  Even the 289
> cid is a screamer.  This car looks great and gives the latest GTS Vipers a
> lot to worry about.    With the 427, you can turn very low twelves all day
> long.   There's nothing else like it in my mind.
>

Ummmm.....I guess I don't get it, you are glad the this repo is not
associated with Ford, however you don't mind that it has Ford power????

I have been a closet Cobra fan for years, and as much as I like Fords I
have always wanted to build one up with a BB Olds. Add a Doug Nash
(Richmond) or Tremec five speed and a nine inch rear end and this thing
would make you DIZZY.....Has anyone ever done one of these with Olds
power???? I think it would fit, Ford FE big blocks are pretty wide and I
think they are actually heavier than the big Olds......

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:19:15 -0700
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels

Mike Schlottman wrote:
>
> I found a set of 4 SSI wheels this weekend that I will probably buy.  I
> currently have 5 SSII or III wheels, with 4 trim rings and 3 center
> caps.  The center caps are pitted and need the decals.
>
> If I don't like the SSI wheels on my car, '70 442, I will sell or trade
> them.  Otherwise I would like to sell the SSII wheels with a posible
> partial trade for 1 more SSI wheel for a spare.
>
> Any preliminary offers or leads on used SSII center caps?
>
> BTW.
>
> If I sell the SSIs I would probably want $120 plus shipping.
> If I sell the SSIIs I would probably want $95 plus shipping.
>
>         mike
Let me know about the SSI wheels.  I'd be very interested in them. Than
ks

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:23:52 -0500
From: "Richard Fuqua" <fuqua@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: MT => AT swap

Yes it can be done!!!
    I have a '69 442 with a turbo 400.  It was changed over from a 4-speed,
but I want a my 4-speed back...If your looking for parts lets talk....I want
to go back to the orginal 4-speed and 12 bolt posi rear end.  I have a turbo
400 with a shift kit installed and a 10 bolt posi now and I want to
trade....turbo 400 need to be rebuilt...rear end is in great shape and drive
shaft is good.....really what I am looking for is the 12 bolt orginal rear
end (posi).

Let me know,
Richard Fuqua
fuqua@swbell.net
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
To: me from myself <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 11:42 AM
Subject: MT => AT swap


>From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
>Subject: Trans replacement
>
>Anyone know if a 4-speed can be replaced with a TH400 in a '69 442?  What
has
>to be changed, modified or substituted?  Who can do it...RIGHT?
>gpmtrader@aol.com
>======================
>Yes, it can be done.
>Rather a big job. You want to leave the MT pedals in place?  Just in case?
I
>did that on my car. You need console brackets onthe floor, a hole for the
>shifter cable. Seal the firewall clutch rod hole. Lots of time consuming
piddly
>things.
>
>*I* can do it... *correctly*.
>--
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:43:04 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

Hey, why not just fill up with 100 octane?  It should only cost about $70.
HA!


> VanSant, David CWO wrote:
> >
> > UNOCAL '76 103 octane is only available on the left coast unfortunately.
> > (Gee, I miss my Sunoco 260)
>
>
> Well I checked my local Unocal '76 station that sells 100 octane gas.
> They are asking $3.99/gallon!  That is too costly if you ask me.
>
> An optimal question would be how much on the 100 stuff should I add
> to the regular 92 octane gas to get a good running car?
>
> Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:53:51 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 200-4R HELP!

I found a guy who has 7 200-4Rs for sale at $75 each.  When I told him I
wanted one, he laughed and said 200-4Rs are junky and can't handle any
power.  He said the same about 700-R4s!  This guy rebuild transmissions
(to original specs.) for a living, so I am slightly inclined to respect
his opinion.  However, I've heard differently many more times.
Anyway, I'm going to buy one.  It will be going in my 87 Cutlass.
My car has a 409 (403+.030) with cam, intake, carb, atc. mods.  It runs
mid 13's so it's got some decent power.  I plan to add a little more to
the engine in the future to get my car into the 12's.  I don't plan to go
beyond that since this is my daily driver and cross-country cruiser, hence
the need for overdrive.

QUESTION:
Is there a specific year trans I should look for, how can I tell it's that
year, AND how can I know that it's even a 200-4R?

Thankyou to anyone who can help me out!

p.s. Does anyone know of a good hi-po transmission place in Tucson, AZ or
around Philadelphia, PA.  My car will be at both places within the next
few months.
Thanks again.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:01:45 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Drunk drivers (started out as an Olds topic...)

Charley Buehner wrote:

> (Would it make a difference if he was passed
> out in the trunk?:)

Usually people who are found in the trunks of Oldsmobiles (content) in
New Jersey aren't passed out...

They're passed away...

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:02:12 -0400
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: Wanted Quarter panel

Looking for drivers side NOS quarter or mint used one, for a 72 Cutlass
Supreme.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 19:58:50 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> I have added the build sheet and window sticker (Car Shipping Order) to
> my WEB site for my 70-442. Some list members have indicated they want to
> see what one looks like. It is located at
> http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html
>
> BTW, someone on the list is in the Greenville SC area. Do you know if
> Judson Minyard Inc. Pleasantburg Dr N is still there. I guess it was the
> Olds dealer in 70. That is were my car was shipped to. I brought the car
> from the original owner so I know most of the history of the car.
>
> Bobby
>
> 70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

hey bob,
I live in greenwood sc which is about 40 miles from
greenville......I know where pleasantburg rd. is...but have never heard
of this car dealer....I think he has went belly up since your car was
sold...but...at least it was SOUTHERN!!!...Hoagie

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Unsubscibe

I want to get of the mailing list

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Unsubscibe

Unsubscribe

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:13:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: How do I get off this mailing list

Does anyone know how I can get of this mailing list???????

Thanks
RISHIG@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:10:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Got the 77 Toro

Well, folks, ot's official, I am now half owner of a '77 Toro with a good
running [really!] 403 with that factory crank-triggered ignition system.

Thanks to the guy who looked that up! I need to get a '77 manual now, correct
that glaring inadequacy in my library.

It not only runs, but drives! Can probably drive it to the 'yard, use it for a
field car for a while. That and the 69 Cutlass convertible...

In case anyone needs parts, I could part with the 403 sans CTIgn system, that
part I get to keep. AM/FM radio works well. Some front end parts are still
good. Tilt steering. Trans works. Wheels. Glass. Interior is light blue?.
pretty well worn out, LH door panel flapping. Body is rusted beyond hope,
flapping doorskins, etc. Hood not bad.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:38:41 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Delta Road Trip

Starting last Monday morning I had to complete a 900-mile business
trip in 3 days. Debated whether to rent a machine from Avis or take the
Delta despite the possible rad problem; decided to put the tool box in
the trunk along with a gallon of coolant and take my chances. All was
unnecessary. The car ran great. These are outstanding road cars, and the
Delta just loved to cruise on the freeway at 70-75 mph. Quiet, smooth and
a great ride.

No problems to speak of, except another dash light burned out one night
in a thunderstorm (kinda spooky), and I lost a hubcap somewhere along the
way -- I blame the guy who pulled that wheel a day or two before and
failed to put the cap back on properly. I had a spare so it's on there
now. Next project is to eliminate a really nasty rattle in the passenger
door and another one under the dash (maybe the same time I fix the bulb).
Also need to figure out why I have a fresh air gale blowing out the
heater duct on the center hump when all controls are off (brrrr). Figure
one of the foam-covered vent doors must have shed it's covering and is
leaking air.

The best part of this is with a few more of those trips it'll pay for the
thing!! And I may not need a new rad after all... found a bad fitting and
am hoping I just saved myself $200!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:58:34 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.

Well, I finally got off my butt and scanned some photos of my car.  See
them on my web site at:

http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell


"Better late than never" Lansing pictures will be coming soon also.
Enjoy!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:38:24 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-10-23 02:19:00 EDT, you write:
>
> << And the hood rises along the fins vertically. >>
>
> I'm having difficulty picturing that.
>
> Tom
Sounds exactly like the hood that was on my 71 Cutlass "S". I think it
was the stock hood that came on the "S" series that year. I am not 100%
but pretty certain as I have asked a few people who are knowledgeable.

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme
Parma OH

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:58:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: exhaust

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
>
>
> >I own an '82 Cutlass powered by a '76 455.  Is there any way that a
> >tubular frame would allow the use of headers without sacrificing
> >turning radius?
>
> You can install headers with your stock frame and keep the factory turning
> radius. I know because I had an '82 Cutlass with a '76 455 JR headers and 2
> 1/2"duels exiting out right behind the rear tires just like the '80s 442s
> and H\Os. The exhaust shop wasn't to excited about running 2 1/2" pipe over
> the rear end but they did it.
>
> Daren
>
>Do know where I can get a hold of a pair of JR headers?
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:09:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: cracked Sport Coupes

bounced, not sure why:

> metal.  There isn't even any rust in the area of the crack.  I have been
> told that alot of the old BOP cars had this problem.  Can someone
> elaborate?
>
> Thanks,
> Travis Adams
> 65 442 post
=================

Yeah, my 68 Sport Coupe has the same phenomenon. Driven hard I guess.

Drip rail molding comes right off, I think, by prying from bottom out first.
will bend somewhat. Practice on a junker 1s t if possible.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:17:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted Quarter panel

Chris
  Where are you located, I'm in RI. I cut a left supreme quarter panel off a
rust free Calif car and it includes from the door jam to bumper and both
inner and outer wheelhouses. $250.00 If you are In the New England area thats
not bad


Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire
1-401-435-7139

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:32:01 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.

RC,

The car is gorgeous!


>Well, I finally got off my butt and scanned some photos of my car.  See
>them on my web site at:
>
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell
>
>
>"Better late than never" Lansing pictures will be coming soon also.
>Enjoy!
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:37:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

>     Hey Charlie, I do seem to remember that off road race car. I do not
> believe that it was built by Olds. Probably a race team did it. I also
> believe it was driven by James Garner ( of MAVERICK fame) It may have had a
> Toronado drive train in the front and in the rear as I recall. Does anyone on
> the list have any better memory or info on this one?                J2ROCKET

I'm pretty sure I have an article and photo in a mag I got while in
Lansing . . . if anyone's interested, I told Lisa I'd try to scan it in
next week (finally caught up with the 90's and got a color scanner; now I
just gotta figure out how to tweak all the photos!).  So if it comes out
allright and anyone else wants a copy, let me know.

8)
peg
'78 Cutlass Calais (Red Mine)
'86 Cutlass Supreme (Grey Mine -- Least Likely to Make it Home)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

i looked for you at hershey but only found a pickup with rhode island plates.
 let us know when you have the list completed  thanks
mr57olds    now working on a 64 442 convert

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:45:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 200-4R HELP!

i am interested   to be used with 400 small block in 64 cutlass coupe where
are they located???
mr 57olds

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:03:43 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.

>RC,
>
>The car is gorgeous!>


Thank you very much!  :)  It puts a smile on my face everyday as I leave
to go to work.  Plus makes the garage smell pretty!  You know, a wisp of
gas, oil, tranny fluid, wax, and vinyl protectant!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 200-4R HELP!

i am interested   to be used with 400 small block in 64 cutlass coupe where
are they located???
mr 57olds

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:41:17 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

>> I know my car has it, but I know absolutely nothing about what it
>> does.
>>
>Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  Basically runs exhaust through the intake to
>take up airspace that could be used by the air/fuel mix.  This extra
>space can cause more horsepower, when used correctly, and Detroit wanted
>to avoid that possibility.

Well, to be honest, they *did* use all the cubic inches of an engine, but
only at wide-open throttle. Under that, however, the EGR valve was in
effect, and driveability suffered. You can see how they calibrated the carbs
for this: pre-EGR carbs had a very gradual taper on the primary and
secondary rods, but the EGR carbs tend to have real fat rods, except the
last 15% or so, where it tapers radically; mixed with bigger jets, these
fatter rods gave leaner operation when the EGR was working, but richened
enormously at WOT. Theoretically, it allows you to have full power at WOT,
but in effect be driving a "smaller" engine at all other throttle openings.
Unfortunately, driveability with the pre-FI cars suffered, and the response
from such a jetting setup was an off/on switch effect; full power at WOT,
but *much* less power at lesser throttle openings. The power from my non-EGR
455's is much more linear than the power from my 403 with it's EGR-era carb.
Gotta rejet that thing one of these days...

>OK, OK, so maybe it didn't happen ~quite~ like that, but it does cool
>the combustion process, (can't burn exhaust very well!) which reduces
>NOx, allows more advanced timing, and one more item for technicians to
>diagnose!

No kidding about that advanced timing thing; many EGR cars have initial
timing in the 16'-20' range!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 02:43:32 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$

>can anyone tell me the value of a 71 toro 455?,  motor is froze up, but the
>heads might be good.   heads are G code with the following ª`s just below the
>valve covers in the center of the head;  408 100   please reply steven.

Those would be big-valve G heads; nice, but not unusally so. Sounds like
about $75-$200 worth of motor, depending on how frozen it is, and what
accessories are included.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:49:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: 394 FAQ stuff, and 371 differences

> Scott, Everett, anyone else with a '49 to '64 Rocket,
> Could you guys get the casting numbers and IDs from these engines for
> the FAQ? Things like block, head, intake exhaust manifold casting
> numbers and IDs. Also, remind me what model these engines came from.

Funny I should get this message today...I just happened to bring
some of those numbers here with me! :)

> The block numbers are on the bellhousing. There might also be a number
> with a fraction there also, I'll take that as well. For the heads, it
> seems there was some variation on the location for the ID. It is usually
> on the top side of the middle exhaust ports, near where they exit the
> head. The intake casting numbers and ID are on top, usually on the
> runners. Exhaust manifolds are just on the manifold - I can't remember
> if there is any RH or LH information.


Ok, here goes--
The car is a 1960 98, with a 394, and 4 speed Jetaway hydramatic.

Block-- 578135-4 1/8 (Found on right rear side of bellhousing)
Intake-- 573323 (4bbl, number on top front of manifold)
Heads-- 18 (big numbers cast right above center exhaust ports,
did'nt have a chance to look under valve covers for other numbers yet)
Exhuast manifolds-- Left side-- 573325LH (Could'nt get to right
side because the engine is on a stand, and pushed into a corner with a lot
of other Olds parts in the way...I'll try and get it soon).

Also, there was a number stamped on the left side center exhaust
port (D794924) that I think is the engine ID number (anyone want to take a
stab at decoding it?)

Also, reguarding the 371/394 manifold differences--
I measured the ports on both a LH 394, and 371 exhaust manifold.  Here's
the results (all are approximate):

371394
Outside ports  1.5" x 1.5"1.5" x 1.75"

Center ports   2.5" x 1.5"3.0" x 2.0"

So, the ports really do have some serious differences in size
(particuarly the center port).
There is also some sort of dimensional difference between the two
manifolds, since the one from the 371 won't even bolt to a 394 head (head
studs won't line up with the slots in the manifold).  Assuming a somewhat
proportional difference in intake ports, it's easy to see why a J-2
manifold would never fit a 394.

The casting numbers for the 371 X-mans (unknown year) are:

Left side: 568677
Right side:568926

And just as an FYI, those 371 X-mans are for sale (good shape, with some
sort of grey high temp coating)--$35

One other note on the castings...on almost all of thoes engine
parts, there was a CFD cast into them somewhere (I only noticed it because
it seemed to be everywhere).  Any ideas what this means?  Maybe the
foundry where they were cast?  Also note that all thoes major castings
begin with 57...hmm.

Anyway, hope this is of some help...

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:50:32 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Octane booster

All this talk about Octane I thought 93 was high but just remembered how
most places had 97, 99, and 101.  104 was just a fun short drive away. I
haven't seen anything higher then 94 here in Chicago in years.  Anyone
out there know.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:01:12 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??

Hey guys!
I'm helping a friend with some tranny trouble, and I might end up
rebuilding a THM700-R4 (1985 vintage), and I was wondering if anybody out
there has any experience with these things.  Any advice, books I should
look at, problems I'll have, special tools, etc would be greatly
appreciated.  I've done manual transmissions before, but not an automatic.
Having built all kinds of engines, and repaired just about everything else
on cars, I'm not really afraid of an automatic rebuild...just wondering
what to expect.  Thanks in advance...

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 97 21:03:42 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: A trade

> Appreciate your kind offer of assistance.  Do you have any idea if the
> casting ª on a 71 4V intake is the same as the 72 ?

Joe, I think they are.  Someone else on the list may be able to verify, (FYI,
350 engine everyone)  The only difference would be the casting date.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

C:\DOS
C:\DOS\RUN
RUN\DOS\RUN

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 22:13:45 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

> > Tom
> Sounds exactly like the hood that was on my 71 Cutlass "S". I think it
> was the stock hood that came on the "S" series that year. I am not 100%
> but pretty certain as I have asked a few people who are knowledgeable.
>

Had the same hood on my 71 lime green Cutlass S also

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 10:52:46 -0500 (CDT)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Myth or Fact?

I'm pretty sure there is a 4X4 69-72 Cutlass sitting  in the little town
of Burnside, Illinois.  I don't know anything about it except that it is
white with a blue top.  If anyone wants info on it, I can try to find out.

Tom
 On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, James Thingwold wrote:

> I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!
>
> GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
>          around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
>          that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no information.
>          One source said they recalled Steve McQueen driving such a
>          car once (he was a contemporary of McQueen's, and raced with
>          him a few times), and he remembered Steve saying it was a
>          beast, too much power, hard to control, and easy to roll over!!! I
>          can find no CONCRETE info confirming this. Anyone?
>
> Reply personally to lisa@hotglass.com
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
> '64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
> Cruiser (twin hauler)
>
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>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:31:41 -0500
From: "Hulben, Stephanie A." <SHULBEN@monm.edu>
Subject: RE: Another Olds Song?

does another mean i missed someone mentioning Kathy Mattea's 455 Rocket?
you gotta love that song if you love Olds.
Steph Hulben
72 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Michael Hulben
58 Eighty-Eight
OCA Club member

> ----------
> From: Thomas G Allen[SMTP:mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu]
> Reply To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 1997 9:57 AM
> To: Adcock, Jason K.
> Cc: Oldsmobile Email List
> Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?
>
> Jason,
>
> This line is from a pathetic Pop/Country song called "Afternoon
> Delight".
> I'm pretty sure they weren't talking about cars, but it's a nice
> thought.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
>
> > There's a commercial for some 1970's music set going around right
> now (I
> > live in SW Virginia) and during the commercial, they played a song
> that
> > goes something like "Sky Rockets in flight..."  Could this be in
> reference
> > to the Olds rocket?  Didn't Olds put "Sky Rocket" on it's air
> cleaner
> > stickers in the 50's?  Just a wild guess...probably no connection.
> Thanks.
> > _______________________________
> >
> > Jason K. Adcock
> > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > OCA ª028044
> >
> > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> > 1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
> > 1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
> > 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:09:01 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: distributors

At 06:01 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ray Moriarty wrote:
>>
>> At 12:23 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has to be
>> >replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
>> >
>> >     Hey Bob,
>> >
>> >     You'll get no resistance from me!
>> >
>> >     Joe Padavano
>> >     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>> >
>> >     66 442
>> >     68 W-30
>> >     69 H/O
>> >     70 W-30
>>
>> Truly shocking!
>>
>> Ray
>
>Almost re-VOLT-ing.....
>
>Mike Rothe

... but sparking some ideas none the less!

Ray

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:00:43 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

HEI was offered as an option on 1974 (available in last half of 1973)
 Oldsmobiles, and became standard in 1975. Sales literature and parts
 catalogs all indicate this. HEI was used through the 1979 model year.
>>

Ummm... one question...  wasn't HEI used any later than '79?  :)

The later version used some manner of computer control to them.

Chris Ruper
- ----------
Picky, picky, picky!! :) I edited that section, again, to make it
clearer! A recap here. '74-79: non computer controlled, aka 4-wire HEI.
'80-'88 or '90: computer controlled, aka 7-wire HEI. The computer
controlled the vacuum advance, so there is no vacuum pot. If it's one of
these later year models and has a carb, it's probably a 7-wire HEI.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com (soon)   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 11:19:16 -0500
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Olds Myth or Fact?

I remember an article about this in JWO last year.  The car was a
fiberglass replica of a cutlass but not to scale.  It was more like the
size of a mustang.  I have not seen a lot of Toros but I could not tell
if they get power to both front wheels or just one.  I talked to a Toro
GT owner here in Dallas and he said he had a lot of fun smoking the
front tires - is this correct?
Luke
71 442
soon 70 442 convert

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

Can't help you with the parts, but am interested in buying a '69 442
convertible that NOT a "project" car.

Email if your interested.

gpmtrader@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:33:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: General question

In a message dated 97-10-23 02:23:18 EDT, you write:

<<         Here are the parts that interchange. (between a 350, and 400
motor..)

 Harmonic Balancer

 Flex Plate/Flywheel >>

Are you saying these will fit, or that these parts can be interchanged, and
used to replace parts?  I thought that the Olds motors were always balanced
with the balancer, or the flywheel (mainly the balancer...)?  As far as I've
seen, the cranks are identical (on the smallblocks (260, and 350 I've
compared, and I have yet to see a 307, or any other version of smallblock)).
 Isn't this the case?  Or are you just saying you "can" use them, but they
may not be correct?

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 12:33:41 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

IRONMAN,

I'm out here.  I have a '91 Quad 442 W-41.  I love to "talk" about it.
I'm looking for performance goodies, and have only found Mantapart as a
source.

Jeff Antonucci

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:04:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re:67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all 
or
part

i ran across some olds today in a salvage yard. the 67 had no front clip,and
the motor was exposed (for years) not much use there. the rest of the car was
in good shape. lots of chrome,window glass,rear bumper is straight and had
some nice lenses in it. sheet metal on the car was clean,saw no rust or
dents. second car was a 68 delta 88 also. it had a 455 2 bl carb. and 3 spd.
auto trans. car body was complete and had only small amount of rust. one spot
at drivers side lower fender,and drivers side lower rear qrt.  the side
chrome on these cars is awsome, and must be hard to find.  the wheel well
moldings and side moldings ran together and was impressive. the front grill
is straight, and clean, both cars have interiors.   didn`t some of the 68
deltas with the 455 2 bl. carb. suppose to have forged cranks?   this is the
plate from the 68 delta 88 can anyone tell me more about it ?
               05C

























                                                                           SY
  68-36487
































                                                                           TR
  354               BK  4556   BODY































                                                                           C2
        PAINT                                                        THE YARD
THESE CARS ARE IN IS CLOSED AND THERE ABOUT TO BE CRUSHED!     when the owner
died last year his son took it over and is clearing it out.      he has told
me if there is any parts or cars i want i had better get them soon!  i knew
his dad for many years and he kept the old olds around for me because he knew
i used them for parts.  there is also a 63 dynammic 88  complete (minus motor
and hood) , and two 64 F-85`S (one is a 442) .  if anyone is interested in
these cars LET ME KNOW SOON!.   i would buy them up and keep them from being
crushed if i could!  i can`t do that but would like to see some one get them
that needs them.    please reply steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 15:16:56 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

OK for those of us who have changed the belts - or are still trying to,
how do you get the AC belt back on a 70 455.  When I was young (and
owned a Buick) I just took a cro bar to it but not with this baby. The
belt is 7/16" x 61" (or maybe 5/16) and the compressor was loosened and
I pushed it towards center of engine as far as the braket will allow.
Any tricks?

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: My Classic Car Photo Contest Prizes

Well guys and gals, I received the prizes for winning last weeks photo
contest.  The usual stuff you can get at a good car show, a baseball cap that
say "Classic Industries" on it, a My Classis Car Video Magazine front license
tag size plate and a t-shirt.

Now, I expected the t-shirt because I was asked to give my shirt size.  It's
the right size. But are you ready for this?

It's a promo shirt for Classic CAMARO Parts and Accessories, Inc.!

Arrrrrgh!  Is there nowhere to hide?!

Obviously, whoever picked this shirt out doesn't understand the friendly
feuds between the various GM marques.

Gee, this is worse than getting a Shivelle shirt.  :-[

I don't want to be ungrateful but, sheesh, Camaro?

Bob (With a new black Camaro shirt in FL) Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:34:59 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 71 toro motor ????? $$$$$

At 03:05 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
Steven

        As a good core engine it's worth about $100-150 dollars. That's all
I'd pay for it.

Jim Chermack

>can anyone tell me the value of a 71 toro 455?,  motor is froze up, but the
>heads might be good.   heads are G code with the following ª`s just below the
>valve covers in the center of the head;  408 100   please reply steven.
> w30442cs@aol.com
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:25:22 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Gear ratios

Is there a very noticible difference between 2.73 and 3.23 gear ratios?
My apologies if the answer is obvious to everyone but me, but I have
never had the chance to compare.  I have 2.73 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme
and am wondering if the 3.23 limited slip would be worth the effort.

Thanks

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme
Parma OH

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:46:06 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

Brings to mind that there is one avail. here locally for $100 off a '72 in
supposedly very good condition.

I keep toying with the idea of buying it but haven't yet.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:32:49 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

I think my un-fondest memory of my '67 convert was standing on the back
seat to *pull* the top back up.  What a sight that must have been.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:48:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: funny bracket

>> My '67 C/S convertible didn't have this.
I didn't inquire into the bracket, just commented I didn't have one!
Although by the time I got my car every and anything extra had been removed
for drag race "lighten-ing".  But yes, the little darling kept everything
he took off.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 20:42:57 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

Well I know Everett Horton got quite a batch of stuff from him, did Jim
Chermack grab any loot as well?

Everett is on the list here.

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 01:08:33 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: distributors

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> At 06:01 AM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Ray Moriarty wrote:
> >>
> >> At 12:23 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> >OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has to 
be
> >> >replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
> >> >
> >> >     Hey Bob,
> >> >
> >> >     You'll get no resistance from me!
> >> >
> >> >     Joe Padavano
> >> >     padavano.joe@orbital.com
> >> >
> >> >     66 442
> >> >     68 W-30
> >> >     69 H/O
> >> >     70 W-30
> >>
> >> Truly shocking!
> >>
> >> Ray
> >
> >Almost re-VOLT-ing.....
> >
> >Mike Rothe
>
> ... but sparking some ideas none the less!
>
> Ray

Guys, Isn't this thread getting a little pointless?

Gre....(Naw, I ain't signin' my name to this one.:)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:41:32 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
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Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________
66 442 Grille w/Bar (nice)  $200.00
66 442 W-30 Core Support  (nice) $150.00
66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
67 442/Cutlass Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $120.00
67-69  3 Spd. Auto Console (black, complete, nice)  $175.00
69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $85.00
68-72 350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $35.00
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $10.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00

66 Cutlass/442
66  400/425 "B" dash 1 heads (66 Big Block) Big Valves (bare) $250.00
66  Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $125.00 ea, 220.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $120.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $200.00 set
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
67 400 442 intake manifolds ª390390  $90.00 ea
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $55.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (good)  $30.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (excellent)  $135.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $200.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $35.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $155.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $200.00
69 Bucket Seats (black)  $50.00 pr
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
69-72 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $250.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $100.00 set
70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $125.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $75.00
70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $200.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $250.00
71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

We will be at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th of November in Chesapeake VA.

****C&M wil be closed from Monday 27 October to 2 November.****

* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
adjustments on prices without notice.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:43:02 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??

Scott R Clark wrote:


>I'm not really afraid of an automatic rebuild...just wondering
>what to expect.

Headaches, complications, and cost over-runs...
(I found this out when I helped rebuild the tranny from an
early-nineties FWD Cutlass Supreme...nothing short of a disaster...this
was when I worked at the dealership, too!)

S. Dave Ward(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

P.S.--I'm not trying to discourage you...any RWD tranny *should* be
easier than the one from the FWD CS!  Best of luck!

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:56:50 -0400
From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: Halls Salvage

I didn't forget about you either.  Knew you were busy as I have been this
summer.  Just bought my first home so you know where my money has gone.
However, I am still anxious to see what you might have available for my
1972 Delta 88 Royale Convertible.  Espacially looking for a great drivers
side quarter panel and a lot of NOS trim, drive cables, weatherstripping,
etc.

Goos luck on the sorting and searching.  If I were closer I would love to
help.

Dave Betz
dbetz@netwalk.com
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> From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Halls Salvage
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 1997 10:43 AM
>
> Hi Dave
>    I am the guy who bought two 48 foot semi-loads from Halls Auto
Salvage.
> One load was all Oldsmobile the other load was everything else. I have
sold
> the 30-40 vintage Olds parts to Mike Fusick of Fusick Automotive in Conn.

>   The rest of the Olds parts are here in R.I. It has been a real
undertaking.
> I new that at least 75% was already identified but as I sorted it out I
> realized most of it was marked wrong, so I have had to recheck
everything.
>    I had promised NOS parts lists by the end of April but I was only
fooling
> myself. My summer was pretty busy with all the shows I attend so it moved
> slow during that time.
>   I am now dedicated full days to getting it finished and posted to a
newer
> program in my computor. With everything  going as planned I should be
done in
> about 6-7 weeks.
>    So anyone reading this who has requested a list, I didn't get lost
just
> delayed .
>    Thanks for being patient and you will get one.
>
> Everett  Horton OCA 1961   1961 Starfire
> 1-401-435-7139
>
> E & G Automotive
> P.O. Box  16095
> Rumford, R.I. 02916

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 00:05:51 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Got the 77 Toro

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Well, folks, ot's official, I am now half owner of a '77 Toro

Chris, Jim Abbott <abbott@adnc.com> was looking for stuff for his a
while back...  He needed the woodgrain steering wheel insert, if in
really good shape, and the power seat switch.  I had planned to sell him
mine, but decided to use the car for another year or so...  Haven't
heard back from him lately, so I don't know if he still needs the stuff,
but ya might test the waters there?

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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