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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, December 6 1997      Volume 01 : Number 991



Re: More on Erik's Rear End
Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Re: Xmas
Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
collectors rocketparts
Re: Xmas
Re: Rapidfire plugs
Re: sounds
Re: Xmas
Re: Xmas
Web Site
H-Pipe
Re: sounds
1977 oldsmobile omega 305 v8 2bbl
Re: sounds
Re: H-Pipe
RE: H-Pipe
Real Sound
Re: 64 442 f/s
Re[2]: H-Pipe
Re: 64 442 f/s
Re: engine similarities Question
Re: 64 442 f/s
FYI
Re: Knock sensors (was: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....)
RE: detonation
Re: Help, Posessed Car(Ingmar Ott)
test
Re: H-Pipe
Re: 1970 442 W-30
Re: floor mats (fwd)
OOPS!! Sorry about that (W-32 Qests)
[none]
Re: engine similarities Question
EXHAUST MANIFOLD CAP
Re: 1970 Cutlas Supreme
Re: alignment
U
Re: 64 442 f/s
RE: sounds
Re: H-Pipe
Time Billing Professionals!
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: Xmas
Re: CRatios
Re: Xmas
Re[2]: Knock sensors
Re: exhaust manifold cap
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: 64 442 f/s
Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???
Re: 1986 Salon info.....
Re: Intake Manifold gaskets
Re: engine similarities Question
Re: 64 442 f/s
RE: Re[2]: H-Pipe

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:02:59 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: More on Erik's Rear End

I hate to get into this discussiion as I am going from shaky memory.  It
seems to me that these bearings & retainer can wear & allow the axle to exit
the housing - I believe that we are talking about the "o" type.  Mine did
that before I purchased the car years ago.

 It seems that I remember that the axle can also wear at the bearing area
causing the need for a new axle because of the wear at that point.  I also
recall that there is a repair for this that involves a retainer & bearing
that wears at a slightly different point on the axle - allowing for use of a
damaged axle.  This is a recollection & I have no specifics.  Consider
asking about this repair.
Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible

>>      Seriously, I just checked the factory manual (1969, but 70 should be
>>      the same) and the Type O rear axle _does_ use a retaining ring
pressed
>>      on the axle shaft inboard of the bearing to retain it.  Could it be
>>      that your neighborhood service station, used to working on Brand C,
>>      inadvertently left this part off?  That would certainly explain the
>>      departure of the axle shaft.

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 08:11:32 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed

I could use some helpful hints before I kill myself.  Lately, my 77
Cutlass 442 has developped an anoying habbit of accelerating on his
own. <SNIP> So I'm crawling over the speedbump and I'm not even on the
gas at all, when the car just picks up and goes.

!!!!!!!
     Well, being a 77 means there in no computer....just a simple Qjet
and HEI. The only way it could take off BY ITSELF would be if
something advanced the throttle suddenly. My guess would be the cruise
control. Try disconnecting it and see what happens. If the choke was
popping back on you wouldn't see an increase in RPM until you opened
the throttle and let the fast idle cam kick back in.
     Oh, BTW the cure for a runaway car is to just turn the key off!
The backdrive linkage prevents the steering from locking up. If you
toss it in neutral you could do damage from over-revving!

===
John Pajak                          JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:39:44 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Xmas

John Pajak wrote:
(Snipping and Cutting)

> James, you are also welcome to visit anytime! This goes for anyone on
> the list!

> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


John, I would LIKE to come by for a visit.  With all these great cars we
would have a lot to talk about!  It sure would be a large gathering if
everyone showed up the same weekend though.  :)

I sure hope Santa hasn't gotten ticked off.  Christmas is only 20 days
away.  Humm, I guess it's time to start doing the shopping thing.  Nah,
I can wait another couple weeks, plenty of time.  Wouldn't even think
about shopping except the cold snowy weather kinda gets you in the mood.
To peace on earth, goodwill towards mankind........

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 12:22:44 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed

Reply to message from jspajak@rocketmail.com of Fri, 05 Dec
>
>
>I could use some helpful hints before I kill myself.  Lately, my 77
>Cutlass 442 has developped an anoying habbit of accelerating on his
>own. <SNIP> So I'm crawling over the speedbump and I'm not even on the
>gas at all, when the car just picks up and goes.
>
>!!!!!!!
>     Well, being a 77 means there in no computer....just a simple Qjet
>and HEI. The only way it could take off BY ITSELF would be if
>something advanced the throttle suddenly. My guess would be the cruise
>control. Try disconnecting it and see what happens. If the choke was
>popping back on you wouldn't see an increase in RPM until you opened
>the throttle and let the fast idle cam kick back in.
>     Oh, BTW the cure for a runaway car is to just turn the key off!
>The backdrive linkage prevents the steering from locking up. If you
>toss it in neutral you could do damage from over-revving!
>
>===
>John Pajak                          JSPajak@rocketmail.com
>Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>
>65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
>66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
>69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
>70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>
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>
>
>



   what about a loose or broken motor mount? this would cause the engine to
rotate enough to pull the throttle open, might be worth checking out

good luck!

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:23:10 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed

Hey Greg,
I had a similar experience, so let me tell you what caused it.  After
having my throttle stick and reving the engine to I don't even want to
remember RPM, I discovered it was caused by the air cleaner assembly.  On
the bottom part of the air cleaner there was a little black rubber nipple
pointing in toward the carb.  As it turns out, the air cleaner was turned
in the one position where this nipple interfered with my throttle.  I
noticed that if the throttle went past a certain point, ie. past the
nipple, it could not return.  I just took the damn thing out and threw it
away.  I couldn't see what functionality it had.  Chances are it's
something like that or something just as dumb.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:33:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: collectors rocketparts

Jeff,
I finally got the rocketparts manual for you.  The aerotech with the
aurora engine went 178 miles per hour, and the Quad 4 one went 267 miles
per hour witch got it the record.  The aurora one wone the record beating
mercedes for going 25000km at an average of 158mph.  Just to clear up the
confussion we had K?  If you have any questions concerning the quad 4
motorsport parts get back to me, i have all the part ª's too.  Good luck.

shaun
Q4 gospel teacher

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:32:27 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

- --Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote:
John, I would LIKE to come by for a visit.  With all these great cars we
would have a lot to talk about!  It sure would be a large gathering if
everyone showed up the same weekend though.  :)

>>Yeah, but I might put y'all to work! :o) Come by on Saturday.....we
are putting roof trusses on the new garage! Wish us luck!

>>I know it's too late now....but next season is anyone interested in
going to MIR (the drag strip in Budd's Creek, MD) for their Friday
night street racing series? Sometimes I'm the only Olds there, or
maybe 1-2 others. Maybe we can blitz in with an Olds posse......Q4s
invited too of course :)

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme




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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 13:37:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Rapidfire plugs

I think the rapidfire plugs are not worth the money.  you said that your
car ran rougher with them, mine ran a little smoother.  Its all in the
specific application.  Personally they are a waste of money, im now
running the Quad 4 motorsport FR1's and they work just as well as the
rapid fires, and cost 2 dollars less each.

shaun
q4 gospel teacher

On Thu, 4 Dec 1997, Steve Ochs wrote:

> Message text written by INTERNET: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Rapidfire Plugs
>
> Anyone here have experience with these? I seem to recall someone tried a
> set in a 307 -- Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
> for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
> Rapidfire equivalent?>>
>
> I have Rapidfire plugs in my 1987 442 (307) and they are o.k.  No firm
> numbers as to if they helped.  I seem to have a rougher idle now.  They
> seem to run the same as standard AC plugs (FR3CLS6 in this application).
> DON'T run Bosch Platinum - tried them in my 1976 Cutlass 350 and my 1987
> 442 and both did not run as well (verified at the dragstrip consistently).
> The Rapidfires might work better in the older 307 application which used
> the R46SX plugs, but they don't seem to work as well in the newer
> application with the FR3CLS6 plugs.
>
> BTW - I had the first set of Rapidfires in my 442 replaced by Delco after I
> called and talked to an engineer their.  The second set aren't any better.
> She said that the plugs are a compromise to fit many applications (I
> believe mine uses ª5's) and so tip position and heat might be a little
> different
>
> Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
> Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
> The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
> statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
>
> '97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
> '87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:55:29 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

> The sweetest sound on earth is a 394 Olds running 2 1/2 exhaust, and a pair 
of
> Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with a shift kit in it.  If 
you
> have never heard this throbbing sound, you have missed a great sound.  Even
> though Caddy and Pontiacs sound OK, nothing compares.  Thanks for listening.
> Anyone out there got any 49 Olds 98 Parts?

        Hmm...I've always wondered what a Turbo-Hydramatic tranny sounded like
:)  Just kidding, Peter, that does sound like a sweet noise maker, I'm just
being a bit of a smart ass. - -- Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered 1976 Cutlass Supreme Brougham http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass
lee@mergetel.com Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:00:50 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

> James, you are also welcome to visit anytime! This goes for anyone on
> the list!
>
> ===
> John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
> Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>
> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

        That'd be quite the field trip for the school kiddies (of course,
something tells me that kids today aren't much into the classics, what a
pity) - almost like going to an Oldsmobile Convention with the number of
cars you got, John!  :)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered 1976 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass
lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:09:35 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

I know that I had a nine year old come to visit us the other day, and
couldn't stop staring at my convertible, and kept asking to go for a ride,
she did not want to go out in our other gm car after seeing the 64 Dynamic 88.

G



At 02:00 PM 12/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> James, you are also welcome to visit anytime! This goes for anyone on
>> the list!
>>
>> ===
>> John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
>> Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>>
>> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
>> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
>> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
>> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
>
>        That'd be quite the field trip for the school kiddies (of course,
>something tells me that kids today aren't much into the classics, what a
>pity) - almost like going to an Oldsmobile Convention with the number of
>cars you got, John!  :)
>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>Rat-Powered 1976 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass
>lee@mergetel.com
>Welland, Ontario, Canada
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 14:00:59 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Web Site

My web page has just hit  1000 visitors!!!! I have added some new things like
the color chart and interior colors available for all the models in 1970, an
option page for the 70 cutlass and 442, and my buildsheet for my w31. The
address is:

<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html</A>


Jim


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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:27:17 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: H-Pipe

> Once you experience that sound, you either like it or not.  If you don't know
> what a H-Pipe is, it is a pipe welded across the dual exhaust to balance out
> the exhaust.

        Peter, I was just wondering what you've heard about the performance
advantages/disadvantages of using an "h-pipe".  I've heard that, although it
does quiet the exhaust noise slightly, it compensates with a small increase in
the torque output of the engine.  Please circle one:  True / False.  I'm going
to be having custom exhaust put on my Cutlass after I fire up the new engine in
the spring of '98, but I just wanna know for sure if I should have an h-pipe
incorporated into the system or if I should just run 2 individual pipes - I'm
most likely going to be going with Flowmaster 3-chambers, btw.  Thanx for any
advice/help. - -- Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered 1976
Cutlass Supreme Brougham http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 14:33:41 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

> kind of exhaust! "You gotta four-fourty-two in that?" I was asked as
> my 70 Cutlass S idled at a 7-11 one day.......Oldses really ARE
>
> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

        He-he-he...which one (70 Cutlass S), John?  (ya GOTTA know you're an
Olds fanatic when you say something about your '70 Cutlass S and someone's 
gotta
ask you this.  :)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered 1976 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass
lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 19:53:19 UT
From: "Errol Dennis" <leomerlin@classic.msn.com>
Subject: 1977 oldsmobile omega 305 v8 2bbl

          When i try to start car, it makes a screaching noise.Engine will not
turn over.

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:52:39 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: sounds

Trevor lee wrote:
      He-he-he...which one (70 Cutlass S), John?  (ya GOTTA know
you're an Olds fanatic when you say something about your '70 Cutlass S
and someone's gotta ask you this.  :)

!!!!!!!
It's funny....it was just the 350/2V single exhaust one...stock Walker
muffler! Hopefully this car will get the 4 speed, FE2, and 3.08
antispin from one of the parts cars (oh yeah...there are 2 70 Cutlass
S 2dr parts cars not listed below). Someday I'll get some pictures on
either my website or on Bryceman's page........

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 12:06:31 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: H-Pipe

>        Peter, I was just wondering what you've heard about the performance
>advantages/disadvantages of using an "h-pipe".  I've heard that, although
it does
>quiet the exhaust noise slightly, it compensates with a small increase in the
>torque output of the engine.  Please circle one:  True / False.

I had an H-pipe installed in my VC specifically to reduce the noise.  I
have Flowtech Terminator mufflers, a modern version of a glasspack.  The
H-pipe really took the edge of the noise my car was making, the re-jetting
of the carb also helped.  With an H-pipe and your carburetor properly
jetted, you can probably look at some 2 chamber Flowmasters.

I can't tell you about performance pros and con's though.

Quandry:  If an H pipe equalizes the pressure between the two sides in a
dual exhaust system.  Is an h pipe the point where a single exhaust is
split into dual tips?  Just one of those things that make me say hmmmm....

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 20:19:04 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: H-Pipe

The H-pipe (crossover) equalizes the exhaust flow going out the exhaust.  It
also takes the harshness out of the tone.  It does restrict exhaust back
pressure, hence the 2 1/2 pipe.  Reduction of back pressure equals more
useable horsepower.  Things to take into consideration are compression,
horsepower at what RPM, torque at what horsepower.  All I know for sure is,
that for this to work correctly, the h-pipe should be as close to the headers
as possible.  Sometimes this will restrict transmission removeal, and/or
starter removeal.  Since most of the time when you pull a engine or
transmission, you generally drop the exhaust, so I never worried too much
about it.  If you do the crossover and you don't like it, you can always
remove it.  I've done it to all my cars in the last 30 years and still do it
today.  Hope this little bit helps you.
'

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Trevor Lee
Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 11:27 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: H-Pipe

> Once you experience that sound, you either like it or not.  If you don't
know
> what a H-Pipe is, it is a pipe welded across the dual exhaust to balance out
> the exhaust.

        Peter, I was just wondering what you've heard about the performance
advantages/disadvantages of using an "h-pipe".  I've heard that, although it
does
quiet the exhaust noise slightly, it compensates with a small increase in the
torque output of the engine.  Please circle one:  True / False.  I'm going to
be
having custom exhaust put on my Cutlass after I fire up the new engine in the
spring of '98, but I just wanna know for sure if I should have an h-pipe
incorporated into the system or if I should just run 2 individual pipes - I'm
most
likely going to be going with Flowmaster 3-chambers, btw.  Thanx for any
advice/help.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered 1976 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass
lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 11:45:18 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Real Sound

I don't know about you guys but the Sound of a Quad 4 @ 7500 rpm's is pretty
impressive too. If you ever get a chance to hear a Q4 with 2.5 inch exhaust 
with
flowmaster or dynomax muffler, you'll be in love too. doesn't get much better.
just imagine 7500 rpm of pure flow. 2 exhaust valves per cylinder that are like
1.4 inches in diameter. thats a total of 2.8 inches of exhaust valve per cyl. 
no
other olds is breathing that kind of flow. with even bigger intake valves. BOY
you just can't get any Better.


Listen for it

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 15:46:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

> Do you friggin knock everyone on the list? You make it sound like you
> are the brain behind the Oldsmobile...Sorry all of us dont know
> everything about everything like you. And for your information the
> Heads were decked 20 thou and Fel Pro Ultra Seal Head Gaskets were
> used, and compression is 10.25:1...
>
> 1964 Olds 442 F-85
> Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>


Rick,

I am assuming that 10.25:1 is the "calculated" compression ratio.  If
you really want to prove your point, measure the compression ratio on all
cylinders.  At this point (and after all that's been said), I think many
of us would be interested in seeing the numbers.

Mind you, I'm not taking sides here.  I think the measurements will speak
for themselves and settle the matter.  Post the numbers!

- --
Drew

P.S.  Where's Mike Frederick when you need him to say "And they're off!" ?

                    _
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     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                        senko@reston.ans.net
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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 16:10:18 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: H-Pipe

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Peter Slisz wrote:

The H-pipe (crossover) equalizes the exhaust flow going out the exhaust.  It
also takes the harshness out of the tone.  It does restrict exhaust back
pressure, hence the 2 1/2 pipe...

     I guess I don't understand how the H-pipe restricts back pressure.
     Without an H-pipe, the exhaust from a given cylinder passes through a
     single exhaust pipe and muffler.  _With_ the H-pipe each cylinder's
     exhaust pulse sees _both_ pipes and mufflers (at least, aft of the
     H-pipe), which would appear to cut restriction in half.  Now, I agree
     that exhaust velocity and pressure are reduced as exhaust system volume
     is increased (some guy named Bernoulli...), which I suspect is the
     primary reason for the reduction in volume.  Is there some pulse
     interference phenomena going on which would disrupt the flow and cause an
     increase in backpressure?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30








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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:11:00 +0000
From: "Rick Copithorne" <Richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

OK I have gotten some real slack on this message.Which I must say was
not even me. My so-called girlfreind wants me to sell the car which I
do not want to do...She writes the message and all hell broke loose.
I had to write an Apology to Greg for the problems. You guys are
probably so right about the compression ratio being that far off.
The heads only got put on the car because the guy at the machine shop
had SOLD my original 350 heads,sorry to say that I was pissed, but I
got stuck with these heads. She had not clue what Mondello was
talking about. The reasons for the head gasket and deckin was just to
get as much as possible out of the heads with the Stock pistons. So
needless to say I would like to Apologize to all of you for this
stupid situation and especially to Chris who put in his 2 cents and
got feedback for it. By the way Chris the Motor is Apporx a 71 motor.
But anyway needless to say things between me and the girl are not too
good right now because I am not selling the car, but maybe I will
sell her..Bo takes the girl..
1964 Olds 442 F-85
Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 16:13:00 EST
From: R4C442 <R4C442@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine similarities Question

Hey Ray!
How goes it in smoggy Arizona? The answer to your distributor cap query is a
big ol' neigh..er..nay. The C***y rotor rotates in the opposite direction.
Have a cool yule.
                                                                Ron Forsee
                                                                 65
442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 16:52:05 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

Rick Copithorne wrote:

> But anyway needless to say things between me and the girl are not too
> good right now because I am not selling the car, but maybe I will
> sell her..Bo takes the girl..

Probably would be quicker to put her on waivers.  Definitely time for a
woman of class to be located.  It's a shame how many people see any car
older than 5 years as junk.  Why not do a background search on the new
girl friend before making her the girl friend?  Saves a lot of time,
money and stress.  Or better yet find a car show/museum and check for
the young ladies there.  If they look happy to be there, must like auto
history, look bored, move on.  Happy hunting!    :)

------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:03:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Knock sensors (was: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....)

Hi Joe,

>      _horizontally-opposed_ engine configuration.  I'm assuming the dual
>      sensors are mounted one in each bank.  I'd guess that a monolithic

 While it may be true that the Porshe flat-6 cylinder banks are more
 acoustically isolated in comparison to a regular V8, keep in mind that GM
 chose to use dual knock sensors even on the LT1 engine.  It is probably
 the case that a single knock sensor mounted on one side of a V8, like most
 early systems (i.e. '88-'90 307s), only detects detonation reliably for
 nearby cylinders.  For a perfect engine, this is OK, since it would be
 assumed that the amount of knock retard necessary for one cylinder should
 be the same for all, and that each cylinder would have an equal chance of
 experiencing detonation, under a given circumstance.  Ideally, each
 cylinder would have its own detonation sensor and independently
 set ignition timing; I recall reading about a system Saab pioneered
 which simply measured the electrical characteristics across the spark plug
 gap to determine the condition of each combustion chamber after an
 ignition event.  Both knock sensors on the LT1 are linked together, so any
 bank specific timing adjustments would be impossible.  In this case, it is
 probably a matter of getting a more accurate reading.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:04:20 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: detonation

Currently, I have my vac. adv. feeding of the manifold port. It give me
good results. Although I should try a port off the carb just to compare
any differences. Good point Chris...

Fernando Proietto
A. Manager
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Chris Brown Witt[SMTP:wittchri@pilot.msu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 11:19 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> Subject: detonation
>
> Fernando Proietto
> ===============
> I am wondering if maybe the timing is set w/ no vac to dist'r, fine,
> then hose
> is hooked back up... to a full-vacuum port, not  ported vacuum, which
> sets the
> timing incorrectly under most circumstances.
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:19:10 -0500
From: Miguel Morales <miguel.morales@mci.com>
Subject: Re: Help, Posessed Car(Ingmar Ott)

I have another car with those same symptoms (non-olds). Whenever I punch
it, even when it's warmed-up, its starts idling high. Turning it off and
restarting it brings it back with no apparent pedal or linkage travel. I
don't know if it could be a bad power piston (Holley Carb), or I dare
say the distributor is keeping it too advanced, (sticking mechanism) and
stopping the distributor from turning brings it back, I might go into
the cap to see what's up. I would rather go into the distributor than
the carb to fix this.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:41:45 EST
From: DrkSole <DrkSole@aol.com>
Subject: test

test, don't reply

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 17:29:27 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: H-Pipe

I had an H-pipe put on my '72 Skylark when I got the exaust completely replaced
I never noticed any increase in performance  (never clocked it though)  I didnt
really like the sound of the exaust with the H-pipe, its tough to describe but
I guess it messed up the ~rythem~

never thought about the troubles of dropping the tranny  :(

Dustin

Peter Slisz wrote:
>
> The H-pipe (crossover) equalizes the exhaust flow going out the exhaust.  It
> also takes the harshness out of the tone.  It does restrict exhaust back
> pressure, hence the 2 1/2 pipe.  Reduction of back pressure equals more
> useable horsepower.  Things to take into consideration are compression,
> horsepower at what RPM, torque at what horsepower.  All I know for sure is,
> that for this to work correctly, the h-pipe should be as close to the headers
> as possible.  Sometimes this will restrict transmission removeal, and/or
> starter removeal.  Since most of the time when you pull a engine or
> transmission, you generally drop the exhaust, so I never worried too much
> about it.  If you do the crossover and you don't like it, you can always
> remove it.  I've done it to all my cars in the last 30 years and still do it
> today.  Hope this little bit helps you.
> '

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:27:34 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 W-30

  olds guy has some nice side lts $10 ea thanks  jeff...

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 19:41:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: floor mats (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 13:54:33 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
To: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: floor mats

hey send this in for me, my shit not going thru again, i try to contain myself
when i read your messages, hahah they are funny as shit. i have teh aerotech
stuff at home from a hot rod mag back in like 87. tell all about it, i'm gonna
scan it in and put it on the web site.


mail this.



below


I don't know about you guys but the Sound of a Quad 4 @ 7500 rpm's is pretty
impressive too. If you ever get a chance to hear a Q4 with 2.5 inch exhaust 
with
flowmaster or dynomax muffler, you'll be in love too. doesn't get much better.
just imagine 7500 rpm of pure flow. 2 exhaust valves per cylinder that are like
1.4 inches in diameter. thats a total of 2.8 inches of exhaust valve per cyl. 
no
other olds is breathing that kind of flow. with even bigger intake valves. BOY
you just can't get any Better.


Listen for it

Q4 Guru

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 18:09:31 -0000
From: "GREGG GREER" <gregg@inficad.com>
Subject: OOPS!! Sorry about that (W-32 Qests)

I have a ''70 Cutlass Supreme SX (W-32) that I am partially restoring.
Since I can't seem to find a whole lot of info. on this particular model, I
was wondering if maybe someone could help.  Did the rear boxed lower
control arms and anti-sway bar come standard on this model or were those an
option?  The current rear lower control arms are not boxed and there is no
sway bar, but someone told me that this was standard for this model.  My
father purchased the car new in '70 (contrary to the ads, yes, this WAS my
father's Oldsmobile) and had it worked on by numerous shops over the years,
I was thinkin' that somewhere along the line, if this is true, someone
musta swapped parts!?  Also, the car came with factory (Fremont, CA.) air.
Does this mean that the rear-end (12-bolt) came standard with a 3.23:1?  As
for the interior, the color schemes offered for that year for the vinyl
seats, or as far as I can tell, don't seem to match the original color of
the seat (split bench wth armrest in front and bench in rear) which is
white (or maybe an off-white but it seems to be whiter than that).  I
believe Year One offers a pearl color vinyl, but that doesn't match.  Any
thoughts? Also, where would be good place to find/purchase a Rallye Pack
Guage setup (are they even available and rough estimate of how much they
are if available), and a 4 spoke sport steering wheel?  Any help/info would
be greatly appreciated.

------------------------------

Date:
From:
Subject: [none]



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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:42:37 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: engine similarities Question

In a message dated 97-12-05 20:04:24 EST, you write:

<<
 > I didn't know that the firing order was the same for all GM's, and I've
 > seen this distributor cap advertised, probably in Summit, that sends out
 > your ignition wires in a more aesthetically pleasing fashion.  It says
 > it's for Chevys, but would it work on an Olds too then?

         Ray, first off, I knew that all the GM V8s had that firing order
 because I looked it up in my Chilton's manual just to be sure =B)
<snipped>
         Well, Ray, I just looked through my Summit book (well, the book I
 "borrowed" from my friend =B)  The one and only cap that re-routed your
 spark plug wires was the Moroso one for $55.95.  It doesn't actually change
 your firing order, it just runs the terminals to where they'd need to be to
 neaten things up.  Only problem with it is that it's not an HEI model.  I
 can't recall seeing an HEI cap that reroutes the wires yet, and I have seen
 a couple different models.  However, if HEI is not a concern for you, I'd go
 ahead and give this a try.  Like I said, the Accel caps are interchangeable
 between the Olds & Chev (& Buick for that matter!)
 --
 Trevor Lee >>

There is a cap called "Crossfire" listed in the Jegs catalog, but it lists
"HEI, Chevy v-8" for application info.  This has got me wondering.... why...
These caps list for $44.00 ea., a price I'd pay to straighten out this mess
that currently is...  Nice idea, but I'll be damned if the cap looks different
from mine.  I wonder why...  This will take some more "digging"

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:57:35 EST
From: Mr ExMt <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: EXHAUST MANIFOLD CAP

12-5

HI, LOOKING FOR A EXHAUST MANIFOLD CAP FOR MY '68 CUTLASS CONVERT, TO CAP OFF
THE CROSSOVER OPENING FOR MY DUAL EXHAUST.  SUPERCARS UNLIMITED USED TO CARRY
THIS BUT NO LONGER DOES.  ANY HELP?
THANKS, LEIGH
Mr ExMt@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:21:43 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlas Supreme

  jim, i have a few dash pads, upper and lowers..

  and consoles.. olds guy ga....very reasonable....

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 22:40:29 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: alignment

In a message dated 97-12-05 20:12:41 EST, you write:

<<
 > It's very likely that you had either a lazy or uninformed mechanic align
your
 > 67.

 I'll vote for the former, since he never even took the manual out of the
 trunk!  In typical GM dealership fashion they have now promoted this guy
 to Shop Foreman...

  >>

We have a saying at work, "He who can't do, teaches..." heh, that gets passed
around a bit... (mainly about managers... <grin>).
Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 23:14:17 EST
From: Mr ExMt <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: U

JJ

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:55:34 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

Do you know how many GUYS say the same thing to me when I start talking
cars.  Equality here folks, ignorance comes in all sexes, colors and
preferences.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:43:33 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: sounds

Ahhh, any BB Olds has that great *rumble* exhaust - I am partial to my 425
with its stock resonator, but all BB's are one sweet sound.

Why does an avail. 49 Olds ring a bell - didn't I see something along that
line here?  Have you checked Bryceman's classifieds?  There's a link from
my page.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:53:55 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: H-Pipe

The H-Pipe you mention is what is called an equilizer by muffler shops.
Put one on my '67 C/S and it gave it enough back pressure through straight
2" dual's that it ran quicker in the quarter mile.

You can bet your......Swedish vodka that one will go on my VC when the 400
goes in and the stock 2" duals with ?chamber Flowmasters vent that puppy.

Ahhh, I'm getting motor fever - the transplant/rebuild is now re-scheduled
for January, oughta have the Delta's face lift done by then.

P.S.  Have found the guy who hit it too - 97% sure its him & I've got a way
for the cops to get involved and......investigate him.  That ought to be
interesting.  I'm happy today!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:01:22 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

BIG JERMES wrote:
>
> i think im going to do just that.  i just have to find a kit somewhere around
> here cuz i dont want to order on right now.  i also have a distributor out of
> a '79 350 toro.  we put this distributor in the 260, and it ran like snot.
> but im wondering if it would run better than the 260 distributor in my 350?
> hmmm....

The 260 was built to have a distributor with lighter springs and a
faster advance.  So, when you put the 350 dist. in it, the timing wasn't
advancing fast enough (and thus, crappy performance).

Here's a novel idea...put the 260 dist. back in the 260, and put the 350
dist. back in the 350...this will save you a lot of headaches.  Once you
get the 260 dist. recurved for the 350 block, then go to town with it...

S. Dave Ward

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:45:25 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

At 06:22 AM 12/5/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Well Friend,
<snip> Further, we all know 4 4 2 is pronounced
>4 4 2.


Oh no, we're not starting THAT thread again are we?!  Please Greg , can you
make that like the h*lp word & have it automatically bounce back to the
sender?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:37:02 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: CRatios

Chris - what is the lowest CRatio for the trusty 330's?  Say in my '64?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 20:47:37 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas

I guess what irks me the most is that slams and
>put downs are just thrown out on the list without thought! Think of
>everyone in the same room face to face! Would you say the same things?
>Of course not!

Just like the "nahh nahh nahh, my car's faster then yours" - just think how
much of that wouldn't go on if the cars were side by side!!

Jeez- are you guys testy or WHAT?

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 23:54:58 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Knock sensors

.keep in mind that GM chose to use dual knock sensors even on the LT1
engine...

     Kevin,

     Thanks for the info.  I've never owned a car new enough to have a
     knock sensor, so what little I know I've gleaned from the car mags.  I
     remember the introduction of the devices on the original Buick turbo
     motors in the late 70s, but I really haven't paid enough attention
     since then.  Now that you mention it, I _do_ recall reading about the
     Saab device.  Thanks for the additional info.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 6 Dec 1997 00:05:26 EST
From: Mr ExMt <MrExMt@aol.com>
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold cap

IM LOOKING FOR AN EXHAUST MANIFOLD CAP FOR MY '68 CUTLASS 350 WITH DUALS TO
CAP THE SECOND HOLE ON THE MANIFOLD. SUPERCARS UNLIMITED USED TO SELL THESE
BUT ARE NOW DISCONTINUED.
ANY HELP FINDING ONE WOULD BE GREAT!
LEIGH
Mr ExMt@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 06 Dec 1997 00:09:46 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....

BIG JERMES wrote:
>
> well, im running a '72 350 with ª7 heads.  (these are the heads with hardened
> valve guides.)  um, seems like they are 69cc heads, but dont hold me to that.
> they were shaved down a little to compensate the thicker fel-pro head gask
ets.
> the pistons are supposed to be factory size dish for a '69 350 with a 2 bbl
> carb.  the '69 350s with 2bbl had 9:1 factory.  the pistons i bought are made
> by badger.  going by this, it should be 9:1 compression, but it hasnt been
> accurately tested or anything.  and how in the world are you running 10.25:1
> compression??????  hot rod themselves say its almost impossible unless your
> running some seriusly retarded timing or a water injection system!!  or maybe
> you live on top of pikes peak? :-)

Just run top-notch gas....anything less than high-test will make the
motor sound like pail full of marbles sitting on top of washing
machine...

10.25:1 compression *is* high, but not excruciating;  the '71 Corvette
454 BBC was making 460hp, and this was running at 10.8:1...all ya gotta
do is a) not frig with the motor too much, and b), stick with the high
test fuels.  The Porsche flat 6 (non-turbo) is making 282hp, using
11.3:1 compression.  All it suggests is a minimum of 93 octane fuel.

S. Dave Ward

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:09:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

> Probably would be quicker to put her on waivers.  Definitely time for a
> woman of class to be located.  It's a shame how many people see any car
> older than 5 years as junk.  Why not do a background search on the new
> girl friend before making her the girl friend?  Saves a lot of time,
> money and stress.  Or better yet find a car show/museum and check for
> the young ladies there.  If they look happy to be there, must like auto
> history, look bored, move on.  Happy hunting!    :)

Of course, there are those of us who already appreciate Oldsmobiles . . .
many times I'm the one dragging the guy to all the car shows!

8)
peg

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:08:15 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Supremes vs Salons: another question  and answer???

I called the OLDS HISTORY CENTER and talked to Helen, gave her my VIN.
thats it.
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:15:57 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1986 Salon info.....

In a message dated 97-12-05 13:48:01 EST, you write:

<<
 Where did you get this from, The Oldsmobile History Center?  Is there a
 number you called, or a place you mailed your VIN to?  I'd be interested in
 trying it myself!  Also, was it free?  Thanks.
  >>
just called the Olds History center, gave them my VIN, and yes, it was free!!!

The ª is 517-885-1502(3)  Hours: 7 am to 11am
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 21:18:33 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold gaskets

I put the same gaskets on my 71 350, and I kept the valley pan, and didnt use
the end seals, just very careful w/the rtv......
Bernie
71 350 into 86 Salon

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 22:11:58 -0800
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: engine similarities Question

I checked with Crossfire at the beginning of the year and the tech said that
they do make a cap for the Olds engine and it runs about $45.  I never broke
down and bought one but they sent me a catalog and there order ª is
(800)458-3478, tech - (412)962-4630.  Hope this helps.

Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@mindspring.com

CRuper1 wrote:

> In a message dated 97-12-05 20:04:24 EST, you write:
>
> <<
>  > I didn't know that the firing order was the same for all GM's, and I've
>  > seen this distributor cap advertised, probably in Summit, that sends out
>  > your ignition wires in a more aesthetically pleasing fashion.  It says
>  > it's for Chevys, but would it work on an Olds too then?
>
>          Ray, first off, I knew that all the GM V8s had that firing order
>  because I looked it up in my Chilton's manual just to be sure =B)
> <snipped>
>          Well, Ray, I just looked through my Summit book (well, the book I
>  "borrowed" from my friend =B)  The one and only cap that re-routed your
>  spark plug wires was the Moroso one for $55.95.  It doesn't actually change
>  your firing order, it just runs the terminals to where they'd need to be to
>  neaten things up.  Only problem with it is that it's not an HEI model.  I
>  can't recall seeing an HEI cap that reroutes the wires yet, and I have seen
>  a couple different models.  However, if HEI is not a concern for you, I'd go
>  ahead and give this a try.  Like I said, the Accel caps are interchangeable
>  between the Olds & Chev (& Buick for that matter!)
>  --
>  Trevor Lee >>
>
> There is a cap called "Crossfire" listed in the Jegs catalog, but it lists
> "HEI, Chevy v-8" for application info.  This has got me wondering.... why...
> These caps list for $44.00 ea., a price I'd pay to straighten out this mess
> that currently is...  Nice idea, but I'll be damned if the cap looks 
different
> from mine.  I wonder why...  This will take some more "digging"
>
> Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 23:48:29 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s

Peg O'Connor wrote:
>
> > Probably would be quicker to put her on waivers.  Definitely time for a
> > woman of class to be located.  It's a shame how many people see any car

> Of course, there are those of us who already appreciate Oldsmobiles . . .
> many times I'm the one dragging the guy to all the car shows!


I NEED to find a girl like that...

Dustin

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Date: Sat, 6 Dec 97 06:56:25 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: H-Pipe

Don't forget on the older engines, they use a heat riser to restrict flow
until things warm up, Hence intake manifold and crossover in the manifold to
the carb.  Its funny, when you rebuild a engine, how many people take that pan
off, and clean the carbon out of it.  (Chev).  On the later olds engines, I
believe that they have the same set-up, but an not sure, as I have only played
with pre 64 olds engines.

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Peter Slisz wrote:

The H-pipe (crossover) equalizes the exhaust flow going out the exhaust.  It
also takes the harshness out of the tone.  It does restrict exhaust back
pressure, hence the 2 1/2 pipe...

     I guess I don't understand how the H-pipe restricts back pressure.
     Without an H-pipe, the exhaust from a given cylinder passes through a
     single exhaust pipe and muffler.  _With_ the H-pipe each cylinder's
     exhaust pulse sees _both_ pipes and mufflers (at least, aft of the
     H-pipe), which would appear to cut restriction in half.  Now, I agree
     that exhaust velocity and pressure are reduced as exhaust system volume
     is increased (some guy named Bernoulli...), which I suspect is the
     primary reason for the reduction in volume.  Is there some pulse
     interference phenomena going on which would disrupt the flow and cause an

     increase in backpressure?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30








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