
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, November 13 1997     Volume 01 : Number 952



Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair
Re: '63 Starfire FS
Re: Toronado for sale
66 Toro
platinum:{
Re: Junk yard Find
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:20:43 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Need Ideas - Hood Repair

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> He is desperate for ideas. He's going to experiment with what will
> dissolve the cured foam -- thinners, acetone, stripper, god knows what --
> if anyone knows, pass it along. Assuming he can do that, then he'll try to
> return the hood to it's original shape with some gentle persuasion. If
> anyone has any ideas, let me know and I'll pass them on.

the only stuff that I've seen that would even clean that foam off 
surfaces was a ~citrus~ cleaner   not sure what kind, it was one of 
those "door to door" deals

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:20:59 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: '63 Starfire FS

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> I just saw the following ad, thought someone might be interested:
> 
> '63 Oldsmobile Starfire 2-Door Hard Top.  Running condition, body straight,
> $1200.  Also two parts cars.  Superior, MT  (406) 822-4048 evenings.
> 
> The picture looks nice, straight with no rust (but it's a small picture).

if anyone is interested in the car I can go take a look (yea, I'm 
looking for an excuse)
I'm not very far away 

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:21:29 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Toronado for sale

on my way to pick up my 98 yesterday, I stopped to look at a '76 Toro on 
a lot    it was in perfect shape (everything I saw) it had; wrap around 
rear window, power sunroof, CB-8 track, power everything, AC       I was 
impressed and asked what they wanted...   $8600.  I almost fell over!!! 
   they said it only has 37 k miles on it   but still!!  

Dustin


Graham Stewart wrote:
> 
> > From: Robert Barry
> >
> > BTW, how much did they want for it? I'd love a '68-'69 Riv GS to go with
> my
> > '69 Toro! Don't be embarassed, though; they share the same basic body
> shell
> > and glass
> 
> I don't mean to be heretical, but Rivieras are fabulous cars.  They easily
> match the style of the best of Olds, in my opinion.
> BTW there's a movie recently released called "The Ice Storm", set in 1973.
> A few Cutlasses from a distance, but there is a 1971 Riviera front and
> centre in several long sequences.  Very nice ...
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Toronto, Canada
> graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:26:40 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 66 Toro

I would like to tkae a moment to pass on a possible decent Toro.
The ad reads as follows:

1966 Olds Toronado - My mothers car from the 60's and oil sprayed and
parked 15 years ago in the barn, 67000 mi. in good condition, Need space.
First $1800 takes it Call Pete

The car is here in the Niagara area and I would be more then happy to help
any fellow list member if they would be interested in the beast.

E me for more info.

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:34:08 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: platinum:{

Jason,
    I installed those platinum plugs in my chev. one time.  They seemed
to run fine, but the next time I changed them I noticed that the center
electrode (the actual platinum piece) had risen up out of the
insulator-how, I don't know but it didn't look like it should do that.
In my opinion, just stick with good ole' spark plugs.  It seems to be a
simple part which serves a simple purpose.  In short, platinums
splitfires, or any of those other "high-pro" plugs look like a gimmick
meant to prey upon those people whose car maintenance voculabulary goes
only as far as oil, wiper blades, batteries, and spark plugs looking for
5 "horsepower" for an extra 20 dollars.  Noticed you on the VT carclub
list.  Good stuff.

- --
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181
'68 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:32:57 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

I have a set what is classified as reasonable?

Would $60 for pair plus shipping be OK

Bob

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> From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 8:55 AM
> 
> bob looking for sport mirrors from 71-2 cutlass (color coded to cars
body)
>  would buy at reasonable price jeff atl,ga
> 

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Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> ----------
> >
> >
> > Uh, Robert,
> >
> > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > Jest curious...
> > cf
> >
> 
>  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?
> 
> Bob

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> I am assuming that the Reverse light problem I am about to explain is
a
> common G-Body Column Shift problem, due to the fact that I have seen
> Regals, and Monte Carlos do the same thing:
>
> Where/what do I adjust to get the reverse lights to work while the car
> is fully engaged in reverse???

You have a choice of two places: steering column or trans linkage
(underneath).

On the steering column you will find the starter interlock (neutral
safety) switch, probably on the upper side of the steering column behind
the dash. This is the gadget that prevents you from cranking the starter
if you're not in Park or Neutral. It's also responsible for turning on
the backup lights when you shift to the right spot. Its mounting holes
are slotted so you can jiggle it a little to one side or the other to
get it in synch with the shifter. (You have this on the column even if
your car has a console shifter; the linkage in that case is "pushed"
from the engine side rather than "pulled" from the column side, but the
same switch hardware is in use.) (And I'm only talking about the '80's
vintage here 'cause I just _know_ somebody is going to nail me
otherwise; if you don't find it there, I'm not talking about your car.
So there.  :-)

The trans linkage is also adjustable for the same thing. I adjusted it
down there when the aging motor mounts allowed the engine to sit lower
in the cradle, which tended to pull the shift linkage out of synch and
screwed up the backup lights. If you look underneath you should find one
point where a setscrew bolt clamps onto a short bar, and loosening the
setscrew allows you to slide the clamp back and forth a little on the
bar. Fiddling with it a little bit (shouldn't need more than an inch or
so of movement) there should get your backup lights back.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282


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- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
>  Don't the 80's ch*vy trucks have pretty big brakes?  I
>wonder if truck spindles would fit on a 60's fullsize.
>
Well I've got a '65 88 and a '89 C1500. GM fullsize truck brakes suck big
time! The Dynamic is around 300 lbs. lighter and has larger drums (on back)
than my truck and can stop a lot quicker (when it was together) than my
truck. I've been thinking about putting a rear out of a '60s full size in my
truck. They are just about the same width. I've also been think about
waiting till fall of '98 and buying a new GMC they are going to be sweet.
They are not going to be much different looking than the current body style
(no bubble or semi looks like the other two big US trucks) extended cab is
going to be 4" longer than current model with available 4 wheel disk brakes
and an available 305 hp 350cid engine. I'd like to see one of them wussy ohc
Ford engines compete with that 'cause they can't even keep up with the
vortec engines power or gas mileage wise.

Daren



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- ---Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
I have never seen a tire thats too big on  a full size car if the
backspacing is right....

!!!!!!!!!
     True! But a 245-60-14 and 235-60-14s are TOO SHORT for a full
size car...they even look short on 68-72 Cutlasses! (ducking bullets
from the short-tire folks). A 245-60-14 is only about 25.5"
tall.......about an inch shorter than the Cutlass really needs and FAR
away from the 28"+ height the early big cars need!
     On the subject of tires.........does anybody still make a
235-70R14? I know BFG did....I have a set on my W30. Someone said they
are now discontinued. Is this true :(

===
John Pajak (Tired Out)                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
 

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
>Matt Cremean wrote:
>>
>> 7) Use a major credit card such as MasterCard, Visa, or American
>> Express, and BUY A MACINTOSH.
>
>Aww, man!  And we thought you were cool... ;-)
>_____________________________
>
>Jason K. Adcock

Jason everybody is entitled to mistakes.

Daren 



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- -----Original Message-----
From: Dan Burke <dburke@magicnet.net>
>"YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!!  Just as the first yellow light started
THE DAMN PHONE RINGS!!"

Just goes to show a little technology in a old car can beat a new car with a
lot of technology (that probably cost twice as much).

Daren




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> unsafe to drive.  At some point, these sorts of critical parts are going to get
> so rare/expensive that daily driving won't be possible....?  I suppose thats
> what has happened to the '50s cars and those before it.  Anyway, the idea that
> daily driving my 60/70s car will someday not make sense does not make me happy.

        I don't think we'll have to worry TOO much about that, Todd.  After
all...there's quite a few aftermarket companies that manufacture replacement parts
for cars from the '60s & '70s (the popular "musclecars" anyways) which are most
times better than the original parts - like tubular control arms and stuff like
that.  I'll eventually end up doing that on my '76 Cutlass simply for better peace
of mind - and cause I wanna go through the whole suspension and tweak it out for
better handling (who says a 4000lb car can't handle???)  =B)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
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> > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > Jest curious...
>  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?

        Hey Bob...I live in Welland....which wrecking yard is it??  Most
of the yards I've been to always seem to get rid of their pre-80's
cars.  BTW - you wouldn't happen to own a early 70s brown convertible
Cutlass and attend cruise nights at Tune Town would you?
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>

Pull the pump (again) and move the pump arm by hand. Check for any wear
marks on the arm. Compare the pump to the pump you took out they should be
just about identical. Call the shop you bought it from and have them look up
the part number again to make sure you got the right pump. If all else fails
take it back and get another pump.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:37:55 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

At 01:51 AM 11/13/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Just getting a feel of the mail list here, and I am awestruck....  
>
>Just an off the wall question not about Olds....  Is there anyone here
>from the Southeast??  Particularlly between Savannah Ga and Myrtle Beach
>SC....  I am in Charleston SC, looking for people around me....  (Boy if
>this didn't make me look stooopid)  <G>
>
>Now...  G-Body Cutlass Questions, Round #2...
>
>1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
>to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?
>
>2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
>they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?
>
>3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305? 
>(Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
>liking Olds better)
>-- 
>            		 Jerry Christopher                   
>    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
>___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
>=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!
>

The Olds 5.0 V8 is the 307 Olds motor.  My 86 Cutlass 5.0  liter V8 is the
307 olds.  It seems to be a very good every day little motor.  I have put
about 70,000 on mine is a little over 3 years, and am glad to say the only
thing that gave out while driving was the alt.  I am very happy with the
car.  This is also my first Olds and am very glad I bought it.  My car has
the Sport mirrors.


Welcome to the list. The people here have all been a great help to me with
information and ideas, and I am greatful for that.  This is a good bunch of
rocket fans.  I am glad I found as I am sure you will find out very soon also.

Fell free to ask question and suggestion, they are always glad to help. I
try when I can. I am still learning the rocket life style myself.


Clarence 
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D   

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:55:30 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: SS I's for sale

I am in the process of refinishing a set of SS II's that I'm going to
put on my Cutlass.  This means that I will have 4 SS I's just sittin'
around.  If anyone is interested-make me an offer.  To be honest I am
not sure of the trueness (word?) of these wheels. I know one of them is
pretty bad, but I could keep that as a spare.  As a note, these came
original on my '68 and probably have a certain rareness to them.

- --
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering-Virginia Tech
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181
'68 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:10:35 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> With all this talk about spark plugs lately, I got to thinking about
> changing mine.  Has anyone here compared Bosch Platinums to ACs, or did I
> miss the post?  My friend here swears by Bosch Platinum 

Never slapped a bosch platinum in the Vista Cruiser, but dad tried some
in the n*ssan once and the plugs&engine didn't agree with each other at
all.  Idle, performance, economy, etc. seemed to suffer.  Pitched them
pretty soon after he got them as I remember.  Most people I know who've
tried them don't like them.
  
> plugs and I told
> him that y'all swear AC plugs.  
>He said that the AC ones are trash, but he
> drives a 94 Probe SE, so I know he's WAY misinformed to begin with!

Y'know, Autolights have always worked the best in mine, something I
don't understand since the majority of the list says AC Delco are best. 
I guess the V-C just likes to be different. :)

> Seriously, are these Bosch plugs really worth the money?

Doubt it.

>  My three choices
> are Bosch, AC Rapidfire, and regular AC.  Has anyone had any bad
> experiences with any of these?  Thanks for responding.

I wouldn't bother with the bosch plugs.  My experience with AC-Delco
hasn't been especially bad, they just didn't work as well or last like
the Autolies do.  Never tried rapidfire.  
> 
> P.S. The plugs haven't been changed in my car for at least 30,000 miles.
> Is it possible that these are the original plugs (81k miles on the car
> now)?  The first owner did none of his own work and I can't find a receipt
> for plugs anywhere.

It's possible.  Plugs can last a long time with electronic ignition.  Of
course, they wouldn't exactly work like *new* plugs.  Changing them is
defintily a good idea.  Do you have a reciept for a tune up?  Plugs
might have been included with that at some point.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supremem
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:53:35 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> Jerry Christopher wrote:
> >
> > 1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
> > to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?
> 
> 1981 through 1983 had the center bar in the taillights.  1984 through 1987
> (and 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic) had the Rocket logo in the center.

Rocket Logo, that's it!! <G>
 
> > 2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
> > they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?
> 
> The color-coded sport mirrors came standard on my 84 Supreme Calais.  I
> don't know if they were optional on the regular Supremes or not.  Does
> yours have them?

Mine has the Color Coded Sport Mirrors, but I've seen quite a few not
carring the sport mirrors, one was an 87.
 
> Hope that little essay helps out...

YES, I need more!!!  I can never have enough useless car trivia...  <G>
- -- 
            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:57:06 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

clarence wirtz wrote:

> Fell free to ask question and suggestion, they are always glad to help. I
> try when I can. I am still learning the rocket life style myself.

I like the Rocket style...  I sorta always did...  I had a 78 Buick
LeSabre before the Pony, and then the Olds, and loved the LeSabre... 
Had it for a year, and only put a TH400 behind the 350, and an
Alternator in it...  I wish I had put brakes in it too... That's the
reason it died...  35 MPH on WORN front end turned it into a front
loader earth mover! <G>
- -- 
            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:58:48 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: platinum:{

Sylvan Williams wrote:
> 
> Jason,
>     I installed those platinum plugs in my chev. one time.  They seemed
> to run fine, but the next time I changed them I noticed that the center
> electrode (the actual platinum piece) had risen up out of the
> insulator-how, I don't know but it didn't look like it should do that.
> In my opinion, just stick with good ole' spark plugs.  It seems to be a
> simple part which serves a simple purpose.  In short, platinums
> splitfires, or any of those other "high-pro" plugs look like a gimmick
> meant to prey upon those people whose car maintenance voculabulary goes
> only as far as oil, wiper blades, batteries, and spark plugs looking for
> 5 "horsepower" for an extra 20 dollars.  Noticed you on the VT carclub
> list.  Good stuff.

Yeah, I figured that that'd be the opinion of most.  The AC plugs are
supposed to be pretty good anyway.  I'm sure that they originally came in
the engine, so that's what I'll probably use.  I looked at those Rapidfire
plugs, but the AC ones are only a touch over a dollar apiece; versus 4
bucks apiece for the Rapidfires.  Yep, I signed up to the car club.  Are
you going to Ryan's next week?  My friend Brian and I plan to go.  It
sounds like good stuff.  Later man.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:02:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

hey jerry i know youre a ford person but if youre trying to make a 
connection between the olds 307 and ford 302 the engines arent the same 
and in my biased opinion the olds 307 is much more reliable but nowhere 
as fast.  If thats what you were trying to get at.  try not to bring 
fords up here because all being olds fans, we stereotypicly dont like 
fords!!   get rid of the stang.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:03:41 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: platinum:{

oops, I thought that post went to Sylvan himself...sorry :-(

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> Sylvan Williams wrote:
> >
> > Jason,
> >     I installed those platinum plugs in my chev. one time.  They seemed
> > to run fine, but the next time I changed them I noticed that the center
> > electrode (the actual platinum piece) had risen up out of the
> > insulator-how, I don't know but it didn't look like it should do that.
> > In my opinion, just stick with good ole' spark plugs.  It seems to be a
> > simple part which serves a simple purpose.  In short, platinums
> > splitfires, or any of those other "high-pro" plugs look like a gimmick
> > meant to prey upon those people whose car maintenance voculabulary goes
> > only as far as oil, wiper blades, batteries, and spark plugs looking for
> > 5 "horsepower" for an extra 20 dollars.  Noticed you on the VT carclub
> > list.  Good stuff.
> 
> Yeah, I figured that that'd be the opinion of most.  The AC plugs are
> supposed to be pretty good anyway.  I'm sure that they originally came in
> the engine, so that's what I'll probably use.  I looked at those Rapidfire
> plugs, but the AC ones are only a touch over a dollar apiece; versus 4
> bucks apiece for the Rapidfires.  Yep, I signed up to the car club.  Are
> you going to Ryan's next week?  My friend Brian and I plan to go.  It
> sounds like good stuff.  Later man.
> _____________________________
> 
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

- -- 
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:05:39 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: Hey all...

WOW, this sounds familiar, I too owned a turbo Pinto it was a 79 with an
86 Mustang SVO engine, T-5 and 7.5 rear (later changed to an 8.8) It ran
a best of 13.9's and NEVER broke (Surprisingly!!!) ;-) It was fun, I
just wish I still had it :-( If your interested I have a couple of
Mustang Cobra II 8" rears that are taking up too much space in my
garage.

If you need any info on this swap email me direct....I am also planning
another turbo 2.3 buildup, this one will be in a 93-up Ranger x-cab.

You should build up the Olds and the Pinto, I like having a quick daily
driver (Ford) and toy car (Olds).

One last note, "chicks" do seem to notice the Olds more than the Pinto
(just don't tell my girlfriend ;-) ) Unfortantley the men in blue also
notice the Olds more than the Pinto :-( , Maybe its the OAI hood and the
3" exhaust?? 

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-bird turbo 2.3


Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Ahhhh, sorta...  I am starting my drag car shortly, and I must admit, it
> ain't GM...  Still have "Ford Owner's Syndrome" kinda like Down
> syndrome, but no physical deformaties ...  It's a 1976 Pinto
> Runabout...  It'll have a 2.3L Turbo in it...  BUT, since I beat the
> crap outta the LAST car I ran down the strip, I kinda need to trailer
> this one! <G> That's where the Supreme comes into play!!!  Beat the crap
> outta the Ford, put it on the Trailer, and drive the rest of the time in
> my Olds....  It gets chicks better than a Pinto!  hahahahaha....
> --
>                          Jerry Christopher
>     ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,             Lost Pony  Round-Up
> =O------0=   HTTP://WWW.GeoCities.Com/MotorCity/Downs/2169

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 03:16:51 +0000
From: Tom Millard <oldspwr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 200-4R governors...

Here is the scoop on 200-4R governors:

The governor in a 200-4R controls wide open throttle (WOT) shift points.
The governor consists of (2) weights and (2) springs.  The lighter (smaller)
the weights, the higher the shift points.  

All non performance trans received governors that were designed to shift at
3000 rpms  WOT.  Monte SS (CZF) trans shifted at 4800 rpms WOT as did the
442's.  The 84-85 Turbo Regals shifted at 4800 rpms WOT, the 86's shifted at
5200 WOT, and the 87's shifted at 5000 rpms WOT.  You can buy these directly
from GM at about $60 garage cost. 

Some common governor problems:  Occasionally when the trans shifts from 3-4
at WOT, the springs in the governor like to fly out.  This will cause a
no-shift at WOT from any gear.  The solution is to drop the pan, take out
the governor and put the springs and check balls back in it.  It should be
noted that the 86 & 87 TR trans only have one spring (thus higher WOT shift
points).

It should also be noted that the trans line pressure also influences the WOT
shift points.  It you use Art Carr's high pressure valve and spring, the
RPM's quoted above might increase.  I ran into a problem where my car would
not shift at WOT.  I checked the springs in the governor as mentioned above,
but that wasn't the problem.  I had the Monte SS governor in the trans as
well as Art Carrs high pressure spring and valve.  I wanted my 403 to shift
at 5000, but the RPMS kept creaping pass that at WOT.  I felt it eventually
would shift at 6000 rpms or so, but at the expense of my 403 staying in one
piece.  So I put the original Monte SS valve and spring back in the trans
and lowered the line pressure considerably and that solved the no shift at
WOT problem. Now the car shifts a 5000 rpms very consistently.

 
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:20:30 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Hmmm...This is interesting, I wonder if Mondello was in on the
development of these heads, I believe he had a hand in developing the
Edelbrock intakes, Has Edelbrock or Mondello had a set of these heads on
a dyno???? I wonder how much better they will be than a set of well
prepped C's 

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

urbanch wrote:
> 
> I spoke to a tech rep at Mondello's this morning and he said not till Feb/98 most likely. They also claimed that they will probably cost $1200.oo for a bare set, $1500.oo assembled, and  about $2000.oo ported by Mondello. They can also be ordered with valves as big as 2.2" int, and 1.7" ex.
>

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 20:59:36 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Ladder Bar for Chuck Martin

Hi Chuck,
If you want the ladder bar mount it's yours.  The only problem is I currently don't have anything to cut it from the frame.  I may be able to snap a Polaroid and mail it to ya so you can have an idea of what it looks like.  Reply privately, thanks

Chris Smetana
chris@abcs.com

- ----------
>
>
>
>
>
> ---chris smetana <chris@abcs.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I did it.  Against my girlfriends wishes and
> (possibly) my better judgement.  I purchased a 69 442
> rolling shell.  It is one of the shells Bob Cline
> had, so it's from Arizona.  Read little to no rust.
> The car is pretty beat and definitely a parts car,
> even though it was running about a year or two ago.
> It was originally white ext, now repainted dark blue
> with a red interior.  a/c, 4sp, std gauges, non ss
> wheels (no clips for lug wrench in trunk) p/s and I
> think it had power brakes.  The master wasn't on the
> firewall.  The dash is complete.  Most of the chrome
> is intact.  The trunk floor is MINT.  The rear
> quarters have a little bit of rust in the corners,
> nothing a small patch won't fix.  The rear wheel
> wells are mint.  The hinge panel for the trunk was
> sold.  The floor pans are rust free, but the pass.
> front has had a repair done to it at one time.  The
> firewall is perfect.  Front drums, rear sway bar, but
> the bar is gone, boxed control arms aren't though :-)
>  12 bolt rear, not sure of the ratio, but I'm fairly
> sure not a stock one anymore, I'll explain later.
> > Basically this car will be donating sheetmetal
> along with a few other extras to the W-31 and the
> rest will be up for sale.  I'm almost positive the
> car was dragraced at one time, as evidenced by the
> ladder bar mount WELDED to the frame and the torque
> strape on the front of the frame, which is why I
> assume the rear gear was probably changed.  Oh and
> the other weird, stupid thing is, it has a trailer
> hitch WELDED to the frame.  speaking of the frame,
> except for these two items, it is PERFECT, but what
> do you expect from Arizona.  I will be bringing it
> down from Chicago this weekend and cleaning it up and
> out.  It comes with a bunch of extra items and plenty
> of Arizona dirt.  master cyl, hood hinges, hood
> latch, rear seat, rear int panels, a sub woofer,
> washer pump, p/s setup many spark plugs laying of the
> floor, front section of carpet.
> > If anyone is in need of std guages, p/s setup from
> an a/c car, dash pad, kick panels let me know.  Or if
> you want the trailer hitch or ladder bar mount it can
> be yours too.
> >
> > Chris Smetana
> > Terre Haute, IN
> > chris@abcs.com
> >
> > 1969 Cutlass W-31
> > 1969 442 parts car
> > plus others
> >
> > Hey chris i might be interested in that ladder bar
> for my 442. I used to drag at orangeburg and Atlanta
> speedway. Just recently dropped the axle and swapped
> axles with this other 442 enthus. Had a Chevy 4.10
> Swapped and went with a 2.56 limited slip I miss the
> positive tracking but the other gear is good for top
> end driving on the interstate. does a 100 easy and
> still have more pedal to go. Used to run straight
> nitrous so please slow drivers out there keep right.
>
>
> chuck
>
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:32:31 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Shaun Miller wrote:

> as fast.  If thats what you were trying to get at.  try not to bring
> fords up here because all being olds fans, we stereotypicly dont like
> fords!!   get rid of the stang.

In the process of doing that as we speak...  I thought I could run the
best of both, but the Olds is making me a much happier owner.
- -- 
            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 23:08:25 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Clock Repair

    Well, tried repairing the clock in my '69 4-4-2. After removing it from
the dash I found the ground contact was broken off it's plain.  Thinking for
sure that is the problem I, with the help of another pair of hands, solder
the piece back into place and apply power.  No luck. Now I check the relay
coil and come up with affinity. So, I either rewind this coil or send it out
to be quartzed.  I heared that there is someplace that can do this but can't
remember were or who.  Anybody know?

   
    Glenn 
    '69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:54:20 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: '83  H/O parts wanted

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
> 
>    I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
> if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.


If your looking for the 120mph speedo, the GM part number is #25083824.
Not to sure how much luck you'll have finding one though, a while back I
found two using the GM nationwide locator, a dealer had them on the
shelf and thought the were just your typical speedo from an 80's
Cutlass. Since then I haven't been able to find anymore.

As far as the rear deck spoiler goes, after-market catalogs have them
for about $450.00 / the real thing used or new are running about $575.00
- - $650.00. That I know for sure, because the passenger side wing tip on
mine fell out, and I bought the whole thing NOS new ! If used is OK
check with Ray from Muscle Car Headquarters in Farmingdale , Long Island
(516) 753-0720. FYI, I heard complaining about his prices, someone even
said that he sells stuff that is still available from GM for higher
prices....if thats the case, let the "buyer beware". My thinking is, if
he's got it and you need it that bad, either buy it or don't, there's
nothing to complain about! Just my opinion.

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:42:04 -0500
From: Chris Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: the 425

> If you want to show 455-boy the finer points of Olds Power, I suggest you
> direct your attentions to a nice 425 mill. That would be the OLDS 425 engine,
> of '65-67 vintage. Anyone else have one around there? Thought not.

        Very good idea, Chris. That would be sweet.  What kinda
performance specs
are usually attainable from those engines?  However, how common are
they?  I'd be
worried about parts availability to tell you the truth.  I've never
really heard
too much about the 425 except that I knew it was the 430's predecessor
in the Buick
lineup until '66 and I saw Charley's '81 with the 425 SuperRocket -
that's the
first I read about the Olds 425.
- - --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech

Well, you  ought to read the FAQ before embarking on such an endeavor.
Best bet: either
get a '66-7 Toronado motor, or use a '65-67 non-Toro motor innards in a
'68-up 455 block. 

The Olds 425 is not to be confused with another brand of 425. It's an
Olds motor- except for bore
& stroke same as another BB Olds. Same intake, oil pan, RACovers, heads
bolt pattern, etc.

Parts are not impossible to find, just harder. 

As for what it does...
78 Cutlass, Toronado 455, big valve C heads, cam, intake, etc. ET 14.5
same car, 112K mile old unmolested '66 Toro 425, stock Qjet on lo-rise
Toro intake. ET 13.5

What more need be said?

- -cbwitt-

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:36:15 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs: Tapered Seat vs. Gasket

Robert Barry wrote:

> Is there an indicator in the spark-plug numbering system of most
> manufacturers that distinguishes a taper-seat plug from a gasket-type plug?

I honestly don't think so.  This may seem a little irrelevant, but I run
BR8ES plugs (NGK's) in my sled.  The "B" is the thread diameter (18mm),
the "R" says that it's a resistor plug, the "8" is the heat range, the
"E" is the length of the plug's nose, and the "S" is the style of plug
head ("S" is standard, "W" is surface-gap...)

Since I've spent more time replacing plugs in my Polaris Indy than in my
Olds, I'm a little more familiar with the two-stroke plugs. 

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:48:44 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

Rick wrote:
> >>> >> Sadly, this is very true.  My husband is a Houston
> >>> >> Firefighter/EMT
> >>> >> and they have received alerts regarding this crime ring.  It is to
> >>> >> be taken very seriously.  The daughter of a friend of a fellow
> >>> >> firefighter had this happen to her.  Skilled doctor's are
> >>> >> performing
> >>> >> these crimes! (which, by the way have been highly noted in the Las
> >>> >> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts
> >>> >> regarding this.  This story blew me away.  I really want as many
> >>> >> people
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> see this as possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >

Actually, this isn't the first time I've heard about this...I read it in
the Enquirer about two or three months ago (and no, I'm not trying to be
sarcastic).  I've heard that removing a kidney is actually quite
simple...they're readily acessible, easy to recognize, and only have a
couple tubes running to them.  (Tim "Tool Man" Taylor could likely do it
with a putty knife and zip ties!)

I woke up in a snowbank once (after a party), but the only thing
surgically removed was my hair and half my beard...

S.D.W.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:05:42 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: new toy

Alright Dustin!  Yes they're big but they do have some balls.  By the way
isn't a 98 simply a 98?  I didn't think they were connected with the Delta
88's.

Happy (new) motoring :-)

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:10:24 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #951

Joseph Gambaccini wrote

<I just bought 225/70R/14's for my '72 442.  The salesman said that the
<225 was the tallest 70 series tire for a 14" rim that BFG has
available.

I hope he ment widest for the 70 series.  I checked the Tire Rack web
site and the widest they had was 225/70/14 they did have a 235/70/15 but
they are light duty truck tires.

Does anyone have the new BFG Comp T/A Drag Radial that is street legal? 
Seems like a great tire for a summer only 442 here in Chicago. Comes in
215/60/14.

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At 07:51 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?
>
I checked out Edelbrock's booth at SEMA.  They had a pre-production head on
display.  They would not quote even a ballpark price and said that they
would be shipping in February or March.  I was kind of disappointed with
that answer but they would not give me any more details.

The rest of SEMA was as always a blast.  It's truly a car guy's candystore.
 Too bad you can't buy any of the products right there.  I highly recommend
it to anyone who has the opportunity to go.

I have the Edelbrock "New for 98" flyer which gives some detail on the Olds
head.  If anyone is interested, I can post it or mail it privately.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser


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