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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 23 1997      Volume 01 : Number 919



Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
RE: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list
RE: Another Olds song
Re: 1973-75 Interchangeability
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)
Re: OCA Web Site Logo Available for Use
Re: Exhaust, rallye-pac, paint
mail list
Re: real '72 442
Re: SMW 403's
Fender Moldings
Re: Dread cam bank angle question
Re: Olds Questions
HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
Re: You'll all laugh...
Re: You'll all laugh...
RE: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
Re: G body parts needed!
exhaust
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Re: Re[2]: distributors
350 to replace a 307!!
Re: Octane booster
RE: where to buy POR-15
subscribe
RE: Accessory Brackets SB & BB
Re: 1973-75 Interchangeability
Re: Fender Moldings
Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
Olds stuff for sale in NJ
Re: Holly Size Identification Please
Re: turbo 400 parts needed
Halls Salvage
Re: Holly Size Identification Please
vacuum diagram
Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
RE: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list
My Starfire Won!!!!! MCC...Thank You !!
another olds song
Re: Oldsmobile Mondello nationals
Re: A trade
71 cutlass convertible books
MCC
Re: brake gage
FOR SALE: 66 98 Luxury Sedan
Re: TPI info
Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
Re: Octane booster
FOR SALE: 71 442 Coupe
Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)
Mondello Ph. ª...(please provide for him)..(was: header conversion)
Re: Exhaust Laws
Re: General question
Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
RE: 7.5" rear end question
Re: Fender Moldings
remove
List member in Car Craft
perf chip & some ramblings
no email in days !!!!
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: No Olds Performance Offerings
Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid
TN yard crushing! Act now.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

uh, john i believe the 70 L-74 came with 10.25 comp. pistons,  4 brl. carb,
 and was rated at 310 hp.  not all 70 350`s were 310 hp.   and the w-31`s
 had 10.5 comp. pistons,  a differant cam,  alluminum intake ,   same ª 6
heads but were fitted with 455 valves and stiffer springs. and i believe the
carb. was also differant.  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:39:39 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: RE: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list

> Andy, I have not seen any of the spam post on the list. I read/look
> at all the post and have not seen any (not that I want to). Are you
> or Greg stopping it or what?

I wish...  :-)

But when you're subscribed in digest mode, as I am, it's in there.
If you're not in digest mode, getting separate messages in real-time
distribution, I suspect you're either seeing it and discarding it
without noticing that it came via the Olds list (I think you have to
look at full headers to see that) or catching it in filters somewhere
further up the line (e.g. at your system firewall or ISP gateway).

This is one reason that I find the "reply to remove" lines really
offensive: the spammer hits only one address, that of the mailing
list, and gets a whole bunch of valid addresses in reply from the
members trying to "remove" themselves from a list that they were
not on in the first place.

This isn't particularly Olds related, but I'll be happy to continue
this in email with anyone who'd like further information on how the
spammers are operating these days.


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 01:01:40 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: RE: Another Olds song

(some of us do remember the 70's)
The song 'Afternoon Delight' refers to midday romantic encounters,  and the
phrase 'skyrockets in flight' refers to that intense physiological state
that occurs after prolonged sexual stimulation.
The only Olds connection there might be is that I have heard that  this
state has been reached in the back seat of the occasional Oldsmobile, and I
would suspect that other brands my lay claim to this also.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:58:42 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: 1973-75 Interchangeability

> in 76 they also changed to location of the clock to over the
> glove box vs under the wiper control for the 73-75.

Not quite; actually the '76 Supreme I owned still had the clock
stuck in that goofy position down at bottom left under the wiper
controls. In 1977 it was finally moved to right center in front
of the passenger. I n1977 they also changed the air vents from
swivelling, spherical designs (that would never stay straight :-)
to the more conventional rectangular style; that's how I tell a
'76 from a '77 at a glance.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:09:53 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

Gary Harrod wrote:
>
> whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all the
> other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run all
> the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this car
> but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
> still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone got
> any ideas?

The 1970 350 was a pretty potent engine and well worth looking into.  It is
for this reason that I don't know about putting on 307 heads, at least 7a
heads!  There were two head designs on the 307's, the 5a heads and the 7a
heads.  The 5a's are supposed to flow much better and their ports line up
with aftermarket intake manifolds (and exhaust manifolds?).  The 7a heads
were the later design, put on 85 and later 307's and are supposed to flow
much worse.  But, for what it's worth, they will bolt up just fine.  You
might also need to take the intake manifold from the 307.  Hope this helps.
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais / 307 V8
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX / 281 V8
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo / 318 V8

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:15:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)

In a message dated 97-10-22 01:28:26 EDT, you write:

<<  Most I got out of
 it (I'd just asked in passing) was that if you had at least five cars to
 claim, you could qualify for a fleet policy insuring "all owned
 vehicles"  She gave me this "nobody owns that many cars" attitude, and
 didn't give any more details.  I told her that ~I~ did, and I'd probably
 be calling about it again sometime.  Maybe next year, didn't get any
 prices, but I'm sure it's steep.  Shouldn't be, though, I can only drive
 one at a time.  'Course, maybe they figure if I total one causing a huge
 claim, I can still grab another two or three to have claims with, too :o

 Charley Buehner (with no sig file still...)
  >>

I would guess it'd work off a "what's the worst car you own (in terms of
their "performance" numbers, etc.), and which car do you drive the most type
of thing.  I wouldn't think it'd be too awful price-wise, cause like you
said, you can only drive one at a time.  Maybe it's just an insurance fee for
the "worst" car, and then some money takced on for the paperwork they have to
do.  I dunno, it'd be interesting to find out...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:24:33 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: OCA Web Site Logo Available for Use

 Brad,

Thanks for all the effort.  I am pleased that it will not be a critique type
column.  We all can read & decide for ourselves.  Nothing else is needed
unless you know something that we don't - such as a hidden agenda or special
interest.  I'll be reading your articles soon.

That web space won't go to a poor use.  We all appreciate this too.  I can't
wait for the turn of the year when I can view everyone else's work.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>All,
>Anyone who has a link to the OCA web site is free to "long term borrow"
>the OCA logo there, ocaclear.gif, and use it as part of their link to
>it.
>
>A little heads-up.  I wrote and article for Journey with Olds about the
>OCA web site and now I'm a regular columnist about Oldsmobile's and
>automobive sites of interest on the web so look out current Olds web
>site hosts ;-)  You just may get some publicity in print! I'll be going
>back and forth between commercial and hobbyists sites.  I WILL NOT BE
>CRITIQUING THEM as I am not the web god (right Bryce) but pointing them
>out and letting the rest of the world know about them.
>Along those lines I'll be updating the site next week and if you want to
>listed in the links page, drop me a line as I lost some of the previuos
>messages I recieved.  I plan to do a "Member Site of the Month".
>
>The full blown OCA web site, probably www.oldsclub.org, will be up by
>end of year.
>
>Later
>
> ---
>| | | Brad Nicholson
>| | | 1987 442 W-42
>|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
>| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
> ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
>e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
>Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
>Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca
>

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 23:27:11 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust, rallye-pac, paint

 I did this on a '73 also.  The wires are all there, but in the wrong order
for the rally pac.  Change them at the rally pac connector to match the ones
in the rally pac car.  Match them color for color.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>In a message dated 97-10-19 16:16:12 EDT, you write:
>
>It is possible, I did this swap on my 73.. you need to change the sending
>units for the oil pressure and coolant temp., and you might have to change
>some of the wires on the dash connector to match the rallye pac..
>
>DrkSole
>73 Cutlass Supreme
>67 Delta 88 Custom
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:21:21 -0400
From: Don Heiney <76773.2736@compuserve.com>
Subject: mail list

Please remove me from the olds mailist asap.
Nothing personal, but I'm using my e-mail for business now and the list
keeps tying it up.
Thanks
Don Heiney 76773,2736@compuserve.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: DDMRACER@aol.com
Subject: Re: real '72 442

In a message dated 97-10-22 10:53:15 EDT, you write:

<< Heck, a Cutlass WITHOUT the 442
 markings is 100 times cooler than any Ch*velle.  >>

aw heck---- a whole 100 times?? you sure?? i thought it was the
other way around.


duane
72 442
a couple of chevelles

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:59:25 -0400
From: Peter Teubel <pteubel@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: SMW 403's

Uh...let me ask a stupid (well, maybe not stupid, but uneducated) question
here:  What are "webs"?  I have a 403 in my garage that I'll going to
rebuilt this winter.  I can pull the pan immediately and check this
feature, but only if I know what I'm looking for.

- - Uncle Pete
'51 98
'82 98
'84 Chebby C10 (w/403 soon....hopefully)
'86 Ciera

At 04:52 AM 10/22/97 -0700, John Pajak wrote:
>---Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>
>Still waiting to give away the Big Bonus Package to the first person
>to step fwd with physical proof that Solid Main Web 403 blocks exist.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:03:15 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Fender Moldings

How does a person remove the fender molding strips that run along the
top side of the fender, across the door, up by the rear quarter glass,
and terminating at the drip rail?

How does a person remove a drip rail (SC or HT)?

The reason why I ask is that to get a good paint job these things should
be removed.

Thanks in advance...


Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:15:46 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Dread cam bank angle question

> > From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Dread cam bank angle question
> > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 1997 9:57 PM
> >
> > Is it possible that a Comp Cams .518/292 cam can work in a 45 degree
>
> > 425 block?  Will it have: the same rpm range/higher rpm range/lower
> rpm
> > range as it would in a 39 degree 455 block?  I'm kinda thinking that
> it
> > really shouldnt matter much what the cam bank angle is.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ken
> >

   Ken,

  It will work, but it will run like absolute dog crap.  My '65 442 had
a 39 degree in it when I got it and it made no power, ran rough, and got
sh*@ty gas milage.  I put in the correct 45 degree cam with similar
specs, if not more mild, and it screams and gets twice the milage.
Either get a 39 degree 455 block for your 425 crank, rods and pistons or
get a 45 degree cam.

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

shaun is it?, a 70 L-74 350 is 310 hp,and correct eng. for your rallye 350.
 you can build one if you like.  use 350 block, 10.25 comp. pistons, ª 6
heads, and mondellos makes a replacement rallye 350 cam.    i have built
several 350 engs. including my rallye 350, and 70 w-31.    steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:05:50 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

I was reading the FAQ section on HEI installation, specifically about
finding a used unit from the junkyard. My question is, what years /
models make good donors for a used (complete) HEI?.

FYI: I will be putting it on a '67 330 4v.

Thanks,
Jay Britt
- ----------
Good point. I've change the section below. Hope this helps.

HEI was offered as an option on 1974 (available in last half of 1973)
Oldsmobiles, and became standard in 1975. Sales literature and parts
catalogs all indicate this. HEI was used through the 1979 model year.
For 1973 models a &quot;unitized&quot; ignition system
was offered. From the illustrations it looks similar to HEI (coil in
cap,
etc.) but with some differences. Since, each GM division used a
distributor
with unique shaft dimensions, you will need to get one from an Olds
engine to work in an Olds engine. Buick for Buick, etc.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:04:23 -0700 (MST)
From: d houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpnfssvr.mdhc.mdc.com>
Subject: Re: You'll all laugh...

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> OK, I'm gonna tell you all the story of how I recently tested my 86
> Cutlass 307 to see how it'd run with an open aircleaner to take in cold
> air from the engine compartment. MOST people would just turn their stock
> cover upside down, but for me to do this, there isn't enough hood
> clearance...hmmm, what is one to do w/o spending any money? Well...upon
> looking around my house, and being a poor college student, I need to go
> cheap...I found an unused drywall bucket lid...after looking at it, I
> drilled a hole in the center and put it on top of the filter and screwed
> it down...now thats enginuity!


In high school, I found that the cover from my old F*ord Maverick fit
the air cleaner on my 85 Salon perfectly.  It's metal, flat so it clears
the hood, and slightly larger in diameter than the filter element.


- --Dan

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:23:30 MST
From: d houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpnfssvr.mdhc.mdc.com>
Subject: Re: You'll all laugh...

John Stolarski wrote:
>
> OK, I'm gonna tell you all the story of how I recently tested my 86
> Cutlass 307 to see how it'd run with an open aircleaner to take in cold
> air from the engine compartment. MOST people would just turn their stock
> cover upside down, but for me to do this, there isn't enough hood
> clearance...hmmm, what is one to do w/o spending any money? Well...upon
> looking around my house, and being a poor college student, I need to go
> cheap...I found an unused drywall bucket lid...after looking at it, I
> drilled a hole in the center and put it on top of the filter and screwed
> it down...now thats enginuity!


In high school, I found that the cover from my old F*rd Maverick fit
the air cleaner on my 85 Salon perfectly.  It's metal, flat so it clears
the hood, and slightly larger in diameter than the filter element.

(At least the old Mav was good for something...)


- --Dan

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:30:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

IRONMAN wrote:

<<Need to get some Quad 4 talk going here, anyone out there?>>

Oh yes there are plenty of Quad4 owners on this list.  There is even a sort
of splinter group from this list, which is made up mostly of W41 and W40
Quad4 owners.  What do you need to know?  We'll see if we can help.

Cecil
1991 W41
OCA ª29604

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:28:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: G body parts needed!

On Tue, 21 Oct 1997, Ray wrote:

> This is the a list of all I need to increase my car's pleasure factor
> using all Olds things.  Any help is greatly appreciated.  If anyone who
> has these things lives anywhere between Philadelphia and Tucson, AZ, I'll
> stop by your house to pick `em up.  Otherwise, the UPS strike has ended.
>
> ->bucket seats from G body, grey
>   6-way power preferably

Try looking for Cutlass Calais (pre-85) or Salons in you local, expensive
or moderately expensive junkyard.

> ->guage cluster from Cutlass w/ guage package

See above

> ->Lightening Rod shifter and grey console

I think Hurst Performance still makes these... you might try the local
Olds dealer, if they can't get them, try to get a hold of Hurst. ($$$$)
If you get luck you might (very very very doubtful) find an H/O in a
junkyard they'd probably want big bucks for it even there though... BTW,
they didn't make it in gray I don't think... Silver, burgundy, or dark
maple (blue?) in '83 I think... what in '84?  I'd probably just go for a
normal floor shifter like I've got.

> ->hood ornament w/ rocket, not crown

Shouldn't be hard to find... try the local el-cheapo junkyards.

> ->turn signal stalk w/ cruise control controls

see above

> ->cruise control unit that actually works!
>

Opinions... go for the cruise and buckets, and don't worry about the
rest... get a floor shifter... 350 might be nice too.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375 (built), 3.73:1)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:06:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: exhaust

I own an '82 Cutlass powered by a '76 455.  Is there any way that a
tubular frame would allow the use of headers without sacrificing
turning radius?  If feasible is that still outrageously expensive?  I
would like to be able to drive my car on the street and offer more
performance, are there any alternatives?  Thanks. Jeremy Elder
Lincoln,NE (jelder1@bigred.unl.edu)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:22:37 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

Gary Harrod wrote:
>
> whats the Hp of a '70 350 stock engine? Plus, will the heads and all the
> other stuff off a '87 307 fit onto the block so that I can still run all
> the bull thats on these newer cars? I'm going to do an overhaul on this car
> but I also want some more HP. All this little 307 puts out is 140HP. I
> still want to be able to run all the smog and computer stuff. Anyone got
> any ideas?
>

Yeah, just pull out the 307, and pop the 350 in. Why worry about smog
control? Your engine predates all that crap, so you can just run it like
it is. No converters, no EGR. With that engine, you have no worries.

> N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.
Blissfield, MI, Lenawee Cnty.

Matt Cremean
=-=-=-=-=-=-=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:28:27 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: distributors

At 12:23 AM 10/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has to be
>replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
>
>     Hey Bob,
>
>     You'll get no resistance from me!
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30

Truly shocking!

Ray

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:42:21 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: 350 to replace a 307!!

Just for the record, some people have expressed interest in this swap.
 Great swap.  If you have any questions not covered here, feel free to
email me.

Exhaust:  The tubular exhaust manifolds installed on the 85-up 307s,
mainly in G-Bodies WILL NOT BOLT TO AN EARLIER HEAD!!  There is not
enough metal to make a match unless you like exhaust leaks no gasket
could ever seal.  The bolt holes line up, but the material on the
manifold is too small, and you can see daylight though the open space.
 The 7A heads that were used in 85 and up (never have seen a 85 with
5A's, I think 7A's actually came on a few 84's, those I have seen) use
a "D" center port for exhaust.  It does have the raised divider
between the center ports.


Intake:  Need 3 locations in the water crossover, unless you ditch the
ECM.  1 is temp sensor (ECM) 1 is hot light, 1 is emissions for the
vapor canister.  There is a 4th in the rear for the EFE.  I did not
use it nor the EFE.  An 81-84 307 intake is the preferred, as it has
all you need, and is aluminum.  I got a nice one for $15 in St. Louis
at Speedway Auto Salvage, they have lots of 307's.  All intakes are
$15.

Do change the battery cables, they are too small on the 307, get
bigger.  Computer has no problem with it with 2.14 gears, THM200C and
a stock 4BBL (E4ME, I converted it to electric choke, I hate hot air
chokes!).  I have no problems with lockup speeds, no chuggle, good
mileage, starts fantastic, 16 city/highway, 18-19 highway, the factory
EPA rating was 17-23, so I am not doing too bad, but I think I can do
better on the highway.  I think I may have a plugged catalytic, so the
exhaust will be replaced next.  My dad drove it and loved it, he drove
the 307 for 12 years and the 350 was a welcome addition for him (but
it is my car now!).

Hope this helps!!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 77 Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 12:40:43 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

VanSant, David CWO wrote:
>
> UNOCAL '76 103 octane is only available on the left coast unfortunately.
> (Gee, I miss my Sunoco 260)


Well I checked my local Unocal '76 station that sells 100 octane gas.
They are asking $3.99/gallon!  That is too costly if you ask me.

An optimal question would be how much on the 100 stuff should I add
to the regular 92 octane gas to get a good running car?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:12:12 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: where to buy POR-15

You can get the stuff direct from POR-15 Inc.  Their number is
1800-77-POR15.
You might also want to consider Eastwood's Corroless Rust Stabilizer
(1800-345-1178).
Anyone out there have experience on which works best?

Tom Simmons
- ----------
I bought some Corroless, but haven't tried it yet. POR's Pelucid clear
coat
product is excellent, but pricey ($45/qt). I'm very impressed with it
though.

When thinning POR-15, use Xylene (also known as Xylol) instead of
Lacquer Thinner. Use LT to clean up (less dangerous to your body,
maybe). Costs the same, and in my experience is a better thinning
product. Another advantage is that you can use a foam brush to apply it
(LT swells the foam causing it to loose its shape). BTW, the small
celled foam brushes where the foam pad is sort of glued together
(Menard's has them) at the sides really, really do a nice job! About as
good as a nice spray job. Much better than the 'handle pushed through
the top' foam brushes.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:56:05 -0400
From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Subject: subscribe

subscribe retrotek@phoenixat.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:01:45 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: RE: Accessory Brackets SB & BB

At 09:51 AM 10/22/97 -0400, you wrote:

To All,

        The accessory brackets for the 350 and 455 cars are the same. Even
have the same part numbers. The holes on the upper bracket (the one that
goes over the valve cover fits fine, the lower one has three holes in it for
the difference in the 350 deck height vs. the 455 deck height. Same for the
power steering brackets. There are multiple holes for the different sized
engines. I have plenty of these A/C and P/S bracket sets for all the A body
cars.

Jim Chermack


>
>For those of you who advised swapping small block accessory brackets
>onto a big block you are correct that they bolt right on.. BUT, the
>alignement of the mounting holes, at least on the a/c brackets, is off by
>at least an inch.. this also makes sense upon reflection, as a big block
>is wider and taller than a small block and therefore anything bolted to
>the heads is farther away from the centerline of the engine ie water pump
>mounting studs... ergo... I am in need of big block (455) a/c mounting
>brackets.. I wonder if the dealers still have any? BTW, if my analysis is
>correct I slso am in need of p/s pump brackets also..
>
>Al Varhus
>Columbus, Ohio
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:04:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1973-75 Interchangeability

The 75 cutlass s you are looking at, if it is in fact a "s" has large
triangle opra windows located in the quarter panels instead of the small
rectangle ones like a supreme. Im looking for the molding around those
windows on the outside if you can help me out that would be great. Let me
know if you get it and a price thanks. And by the way i have done alot of
switching around with these years and still own one so i can tell you what
will or will not fit. so let me know exactly what you want to switch but for
the most part alomost everything but there will be differences .

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:04:29 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Fender Moldings

At 11:03 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:

Chris

        These are not that easy. The fenders have holes in them that use a
clip with a stud. You have to go on the back side of the fender to get them
off. The doors are easier. They have mounting tabs except fot the ends of
them. They have screws that you can remove with the doors open. The quarter
panel pieces will require the removal of the rear side interior panels to
access the ends which have the studs in them.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

>How does a person remove the fender molding strips that run along the
>top side of the fender, across the door, up by the rear quarter glass,
>and terminating at the drip rail?
>
>How does a person remove a drip rail (SC or HT)?
>
>The reason why I ask is that to get a good paint job these things should
>be removed.
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:14:58 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Insuring lots of cars (Was: new Olds?)

I used to work for an insurance co. as an underwriter.

Usually state law extends coverage for "owned vehicles" to drivers who have
the permission of the owner. So when you loan your 4 cars to 4 friends, and
you all go racing, they're on the hook for all of you racing down the
street at 110mph.

Not trying to be picky, but from their perspective you _can_ drive more
than one of your cars at once. A fleet policy would be something to look
into as they usually provide volume discounts across multiple properties
and locations. Might just be a good deal.

hope this helps. And yes, underwriters get paid to be paranoid.

glad I'm out of _that_ business.
cf


>In a message dated 97-10-22 01:28:26 EDT, you write:
>
><<  Most I got out of
> it (I'd just asked in passing) was that if you had at least five cars to
> claim, you could qualify for a fleet policy insuring "all owned
> vehicles"  She gave me this "nobody owns that many cars" attitude, and
> didn't give any more details.  I told her that ~I~ did, and I'd probably
> be calling about it again sometime.  Maybe next year, didn't get any
> prices, but I'm sure it's steep.  Shouldn't be, though, I can only drive
> one at a time.  'Course, maybe they figure if I total one causing a huge
> claim, I can still grab another two or three to have claims with, too :o
>
> Charley Buehner (with no sig file still...)
>  >>
>
>I would guess it'd work off a "what's the worst car you own (in terms of
>their "performance" numbers, etc.), and which car do you drive the most type
>of thing.  I wouldn't think it'd be too awful price-wise, cause like you
>said, you can only drive one at a time.  Maybe it's just an insurance fee for
>the "worst" car, and then some money takced on for the paperwork they have to
>do.  I dunno, it'd be interesting to find out...
>
>Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:36:09 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

Gary Harrod wrote:

> I was planning on using my old heads, the 307's, on the 350 or will that
> not work? Or would it be better to use the 350 heads? I'm not trying to
> build a hot rod, I just want this car to get out of its own way. Something
> with more power than its got now. I'm also like you putting it in a cherry
> '87 Cutless Surpreme  B. Thanks for the info. I would like to hear more on
> this subject too

If I were you, I'd use the 350 heads.  It sounds like you have a 307 from
the late eighties, which would mean that it has the slow-flowing 7a
heads--not good for power, good for fuel economy.  If you have the heads
from the 350, I'd be certain to use them, especially if the heads and
intake are already on the engine, much less work than transplanting
slow-flowing heads and their associated intake manifold...it'll also be
more powerful that way.  Depending on the year of the 350, it might just
have all the emissions stuff on it already!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:37:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:33:46 EDT, you write:

<< ----------
 Good point. I've change the section below. Hope this helps.

 HEI was offered as an option on 1974 (available in last half of 1973)
 Oldsmobiles, and became standard in 1975. Sales literature and parts
 catalogs all indicate this. HEI was used through the 1979 model year. >>

Ummm... one question...  wasn't HEI used any later than '79?  :)

The later version used some manner of computer control to them.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:28:14 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Olds stuff for sale in NJ

Greetings,

I was cruzin' the northern New Jersey want ads this week and came across a
few interesting items for sale and thought I'd pass the info along to
everyone on the list.

This one is amazing!!!
Olds Big Block, 500 cube, 1200hp, no juice or supercharger, all throttle,
excellent top street motor, carbs to pan, fresh, best of everything, too
much to list, Serious inq. only! Asking $14,000. present all offers.
(973)283-2259.

Don't see too many of these for sale.
1992 Achieva SCX, W-41 sport coupe, all power, ABS, cd, 5 spd, adjustable
susp, 190hp twin cam, 2 sets of alloys, always stored indoors, 25,500
miles,
$8,500 firm (973)365-4623.

Also a couple of A-body 442s, a '62 F-85, '64 98 conv, '66 Dynamic 88, and
a '39 2dr sedan.
 Quite a decent amount Olds for sale in this area.  If anyone is interested
in any of the cars I didn't give details on, e-mail me and I'll send you
details.

Usual disclaimers apply.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 18:02:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holly Size Identification Please

Hey Mike!
    What is the Model ª stamped on the rear bowl (like 4778, 4779. etc;)?
                                                  Ron Forsee
                                                   65 442-Meister

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:43:27 -0700
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: turbo 400 parts needed

GPMTRADER@aol.com wrote:
>
> I can't help you with parts but am in the same situation of considering to
> convert a '69 442 W-30 from 4-preed to automatic.
>
> What parts are required, how involved and expensive is it, and are dodoing
> the work yoursel?


I would like to do just the opposite, convert my '70 C/S
automatic to a 4-speed.  This is probably even more work.
Why do you want to convert to automatic?

Has anyone converted to a 4-speed before and what's the chore like?

Curtis

'70 OLDS Cutlass Supreme conv 350
'90 FORD Bronco EB 351

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:12:59 EDT
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Halls Salvage

A while back when Halls closed, I seem to recall hearing about someone
who bought a trailer or two full of parts from them.  Did anyone else
hear about this?  Is it true?  If so, does anybody know who bought the
parts and if they're selling them?

dave


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:19:40 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Holly Size Identification Please

The only important ª is the list ª in the air horn.

- ----------
> From: R4C442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Holly Size Identification Please
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 10:02 PM
>
> Hey Mike!
>     What is the Model ª stamped on the rear bowl (like 4778, 4779. etc;)?
>                                                   Ron Forsee
>                                                    65 442-Meister

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:34:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Joelbyrd@aol.com
Subject: vacuum diagram

I would like to have a diagram of the vacuum lines, for a 1970 ,442 with a
455. I would  appricate it.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:27:09 -0000
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

IRONMAN,
We've got a Quad 4. It's in a Cutlas Calais Innternational Series, 1991
model. What  doo you have?

KRB&BLW

- ----------
> From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 1997 3:09 PM
>
> Need to get some Quad 4 talk going here, anyone out there?
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:40:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: Info on the recent spammers in this mailing list

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> > Andy, I have not seen any of the spam post on the list. I read/look
> > at all the post and have not seen any (not that I want to). Are you
> > or Greg stopping it or what?
> I wish...  :-)
> But when you're subscribed in digest mode, as I am, it's in there.
> If you're not in digest mode, getting separate messages in real-time
> distribution, I suspect you're either seeing it and discarding it
> without noticing that it came via the Olds list (I think you have to
> look at full headers to see that) or catching it in filters somewhere
> further up the line (e.g. at your system firewall or ISP gateway).

Just FYI... the closed list function seems to work only for the real-time
list. As Andy says, the digest still gets it, along with all of the other
admin messages that normally go to me. I have reported it a couple of
times to Chebucto, but they seem to be having problems of late and it's
probably at the bottom of a to-do list somewhere (would you believe over
400 bounces yesterday due to "too many hops"?!? -- must be router
problems somewhere).

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:39:01 -0700
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: My Starfire Won!!!!! MCC...Thank You !!

To Everyone on the List, Thank You for your support. My 1962 Starfire
Won last weeks My Classic Car Contest..There were seven other
contestants. It is nice to have another OLDSMOBILE win against all the
other ch*vys and f*rds...I will let all of you know when the final
contest is put on the MCC web page.. Again Thank You for your Votes..
                                       Larry Polesnak
                                       Pittsburgh,Pa.
      6     2    S     T   A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:43:33 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: another olds song

sky rockets in flight.......afternoon delight
I think it was linda Ronstadt
I think she was referring to her sweetie.
But not positive

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:45:50 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Mondello nationals

babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
>
> Does anybody have a copy of the video of the 95,96,or 97 Mondello nats at
> norwalk,ohio. Or any other Olds races?  Does anyone need a GM service
> manual for a 69 olds? I may also have others laying around, but they are
> all much newer.
>
>                                 Thanks, Eric
>                            babbott@pdnt.com
Do you have one for a 71 cutlass supreme?

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:43:50 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: A trade

chris smetana wrote:
>
> Joe,
> Sorry, the only 350 parts I have are an exhaust manifold.  I do know of a
7041250 (71 350) carb for sale that needs a rebuild.  And a junkyard south of 
me
has a 71 S with a 350 engine and the manifold was still there.  Hopefully some
time in the next two weeks I can make it to the yard.  If you are interested 
let
me know and I'll see about picking these up for you. > > > The engine is a 
350. >
> > > Joe > > Chris Smetana > Terre Haute,IN > chris@abcs.com > > 1969 Cutlass
W-31 > plus others > > C:\DOS > C:\DOS\RUN > RUN\DOS\RUN Chris,

Appreciate your kind offer of assistance.  Do you have any idea if the
casting ª on a 71 4V intake is the same as the 72 ?

Thanks
Joe
Parma OH

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:50:12 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: 71 cutlass convertible books

Does anyone have any literature for sale?
I have a 71 cutlass supreme convertible

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:58:54 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: MCC

Congratulations Larry! (his Starfire won last weeks MCC)
AND the 442 came in second!!!
olds seems to be winning whenever there in there, none this week
though...
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:19:54 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: brake gage

Chris,
The adjusters are new and work freely. I had them replaced because all
of the teeth were gone on the old ones. When I got the car back the
pedal travel was still over 3". Also pulled to the right. Took it
back, complained and the brakes were a little better but still way too
much travel. That's when I decided to do the work myself. When I took
the drum off there must have been .06" - .09" clearance!!!
Is it possible the guy mistook the posi drag for a tight frum to shoe
fit??
Starting with the gauge was good for an amateur like me, but after
finding out how basic the job is, your method is what I'll use next
time. Bleeding them was also a lot easier than I remembered from the
last time I did this too,(30 years ago).
Hope the power booster goes as well.
P.S. Won't go back to that shop again!

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
>==================
>
>Sounds like your adjusters were never set properly then. May not be
working
>either. If on the wrong side, they never will self-adjust properly.
USUALLY,
>left hand thread goes on RH side of car. I always check the action of
the
>adjusters by hand before placing drum on.
>  Mechanics hardly ever use the gage because it's not necessary-
leave em
>loose, install the drum, crank out the adjuster until a slight drag
is felt.
>Center the brakes by applying, readjust, should be done.
>
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:26:52 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FOR SALE: 66 98 Luxury Sedan

        We have one for all you big car guys. 66 Ninety Eight 4 door luxury
sedan, 425 4bbl (bad rod, goes with car) replaced with a 74 350 4bbl, auto,
A/C, pwr brakes, pwr windows, rear seat vanity, etc.. Car has a super clean
body, fenders etc. Chrome is very nice except for rear bumper. Interior very
nice (needs bottom front seat panel replaced), dash in very nice shape.
Asking $1300.00. We want to sell this complete by early Nov. If we don't
we'll part it out.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:08:21 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: TPI info

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>


>Well, I finally got word back from the guy who said he could do the TPI
>setup for $1700.  It's a No.  Guess he just thought every 350 engine is
>a Che*y or something like that.

Did you try http://www.electromotive-inc.com/home.htm They have TPI & TBI
kits that will work on a Olds. It will require some engineering on your part
but they claim it will work on any spark ignited engine.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 21:46:23 -0500
From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
>
> IRONMAN wrote:
>
> <<Need to get some Quad 4 talk going here, anyone out there?>>
>


OK - had the opportunity to tour the Delta engine plant in August at
Lansing during the OLDS 100 birthday.  All the Quad 4 engines are made
there although they are now called "Twin Cam engines".  I was impressed
at the quality control and the amount of human checks made on the
engines.  Seems to me when the Quad 4 came out Olds put it in
metropolitan traffic control cars to check it out for durability.  These
cars are on the road all day driving in stop and go traffic reporting
conditions.  The story I believe said that fluids were added as needed
but never changed.  At close to 100,000 miles the engines were torn
apart and all tolerances checked out to be within acceptable limits
- -meaning the engines did't need rebuilding.  It appears to be a very
durable engine, perhaps even an attempt to redeem GM after their 5.7L
diesel disaster.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:16:20 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Octane booster

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997 DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-10-22 07:53:45 EDT, you write:
>
> << came
>  >across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane >>
>
> Where did you come accross that?  Is it just a local gas station set-up?  If
> it is a chain, I'd like to find a local one in the Washington DC area.
>
> Tom Simmons
>
Hey Tom!  Don't some of the Sunocos around there have 100 octane.  Sunoco
gas rules!

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:26:50 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FOR SALE: 71 442 Coupe

        We have a very nice 71 442 Holiday Hardtop. Platnium (Silver), mint
black interior and vinyl top, Non-OAI 455 4bbl (numbers matching), 4 spd
(rare), A/C,  buckets / console, wing, SSII's, correct dual snorkel air
cleaner, nice bumpers and grilles. Car is straight and rust free. Underside
is very nice (no undercoating). New exhaust and tips, tires, trunk mat.
Perfect for a very easy restoration. Must sell $5200.00 OBO.

Frank Muntean (804) 730-3396
Jim Chermack  (757) 474-0869

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:00:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Slowest Car... (was: MY day at the races)

In a message dated 97-10-18 06:10:59 EDT, you write:

<<
 >
 > Well, my '81 Cutlass with the 260, and 2.29's in it, would most likely
 > qualify pretty low.  But I had to ruin it all, and put in the 350, and
 > now a
 > 455.

 That's exactly how the Rockit started out (before earning the
 nickname!)  Except it got a 403 between the 350 and 455...   And two
 425's after that... With the 260/2.29's, I'd run high (I mean ~high~)
 18's at around 75 mph.  Of course, the ~one~ mile races were a bit
 different, and when I dumped the 350 in there (with 2.29's) the 20 mile
 races went by pretty quick! >>

I said before that I've got Rockit's sibling down here (there are both the
same colors (light, and dark blue, lighter lower half), so they even look
alike...).  And now with having a big block in it.....  Now today I did see a
newer Cutlass with the opposite paint scheme (light on the upper half,
reversed of ours...), but I've kinda "grown into" the way it is.

So was that "high" 18's an actual track time, or just a "seat of
pant/stopwatch/odometer" type thing....?  I know what you mean about the top
end thing, I've just kinda "let it roll out" a time or two.  The one time, I
let it go for a good mile, or so, after it pegged 85 on the speedo....   the
car just kinda "floats" down the road.  (this was with the 350 in it...).

Next year I'm thinking of trying to make a trip to Byron Dragway with "The
Beast", once I'm done with it.  Just to see what she'll do...  Gotta find a
different rearend though, and ditch the 2.29's..... and a set of airbags.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:00:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Mondello Ph. ª...(please provide for him)..(was: header conversion)

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:21:57 EDT, you write:

<<
 Thats 700hp beore the laughing gas. It should be making between 600 and
 700 hp. The trans should hold but only time will tell. If it won't then I
 guess I'll be putting something else behind it :) Do you know the email or
 phone number for the place you speak of? I thought about going with a big
 block Chevrolet but thought I would stick with the real deal.

 Thanks
 Ben

 On Tue, 21 Oct 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

 > In a message dated 97-10-21 14:01:58 EDT, you write:
 >
 > <<
 >  I have already swapped a 455 into a 79 olds so I know what has to be done
 >  to swap. I am looking at making a little over 700hp and adding a 300 hp
 >  nitrous kit so I don't think manifolds would be the way to go with mine.
I
 >  fabricated some headers for the 78 but am looking for some that might
look
 >  a little better :) Thanks for your help.
 >
 >  Ben >>
 >
 > Well then, I'm sure Mondello has some headers to fit this application >>

I don't have it right off-hand, but I'm sure others here have it handy (I'm
sure I have it, but I'd have no idea where....).  There was also another
person who says there are some Hooker headers that will fit also.  You'll
probably get a better deal from someone else (I don't think Mondello doesn't
make his own, as far as I know...).

BTW, I think the TCI trans should hold up for this, since it is a "built" one
(providing I'm not having a "brain lapse", and am thinking of the same
one...).  Also. it's good to see someone sticking with an Olds engine, you
will be rewarded with plenty of torque to launch that car, and especially
with that kind of HP fingures... Wow!....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:00:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Laws

In a message dated 97-10-22 15:30:18 EDT, you write:

<<
 Ok, heres the deal, got a 77 Cutlass Supreme, with a 70 350 in it, is
 it legal to just run strait pipes and muflers (duals) or do I have to
 have the Cataletic Converts on this sucker. From what I remember of
 emmisions laws, (in Illinois along time ago anyway) if the engine was
 factory without Cat Converts, the car didn't have to have them,
 hopefully I am not wrong on this though, cus I am supposed to have
 Duals with Strait Pipes put on this weekend. TIA

  >>

Since we don't have emissions checks around here, you won't have to worry
about it (did I say that..., we would NEVER suggest you disable your
emissions...:-)  Anyways, unless the big town of Belvedere (correct in
locating you by your sig file...?) is doing emissions, while little old
Rockford isn't, I wouldn't worry (sarcasm provided free of charge...).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:41:28 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: General question

At 04:54 AM 10/22/97 -0700, you wrote:

Chris

        Here are the parts that interchange.

Carb
Distributor
Water Pump
Harmonic Balancer
Valve Covers
Accessory Brackets (ALL)
Oil Pump
Cam
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Jim Chermack

>Hi all,
>
>I was wondering something.  How much engine parts can be used between
>a 350 and 400 CID engined cars?  Example: 1968 Cutlass and 1968 442?
>
>Thanks
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 14:07:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

>Need to get some Quad 4 talk going here, anyone out there?


I've got a Quad 4 in a '88 Pontiac Grand Am that ran like hell until a rod
or some thing let lose. Now I've got a Quad 4 with a hole in the block. Its
one of them 2.3 that had problems with the head gskt. after so many miles.
Fast cars though...

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 13:43:07 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: 7.5" rear end question

Seems when I'm slowing down and making a right hand turn (has to
be somewhat of a tight turn) I hear a faint whirring noise. It doesn't
last
long and is only when I make a right turn. Is this something serious?
The
rear end only has but maybe 4,000 miles on it since the rebuild. Can
someone ease my mind? Thanks.

Andy Geeting
- ----------
Maybe need more limited slip additive?
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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 15:59:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Fender Moldings

For what car? Yar? and Model?
I have done this on a G -body but they are all a little different.. the
drip rail should simply roll off (roll it downwards after checking the
ends are not hung up).. the other piece is a B*****.... on ;the G-body it
was necessary to remove the glass and mounts in order to access the screws
that hold the molding to the body... good luck..

On Wed, 22 Oct 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)
wrote:

> How does a person remove the fender molding strips that run along the
> top side of the fender, across the door, up by the rear quarter glass,
> and terminating at the drip rail?
>
> How does a person remove a drip rail (SC or HT)?
>
> The reason why I ask is that to get a good paint job these things should
> be removed.
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
>
> Chris Sparks
>

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:55:55 -0400
From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Subject: remove

remove retrotek@phoenixat.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:19:26 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: List member in Car Craft

David Brown wrote:

<And speaking of such magazine, there's a William Reilly's car (from
Rhode Island) on the last couple of pages. Is that Bill from this list?>
- - --

Hey yeah!!!  That's me.  I've since moved to NJ but supposedly that's my
Olds.
I say supposedly, because I have yet to confirm this rumer as I have not
received my copy yet, and I can't find it in any local store.  It figures,
probably the only time I'll ever get in a car mag and I don't get that
issue:(
I called Car Craft and the Nov. issue in general has been shipped late, so
I should get my copy by the 27th of Oct.

As a note, the looks of my Cutlass have since changed, as the rims pictured
were stolen and I have recently acquired a set of original Chrome Rallye
rims (SSIII's??)

Also, If interested send your CC copy with a $5 check to me and I'll
autograph the issue for you ;)

Thanks for noticing. It'll make my day to when I get to see that picture.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera


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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 17:24:41 -0600
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: perf chip & some ramblings

UPS brought me a performance chip for my '89 CS today!!   strange part was that
two days after I had ordered it they called and said they didnt have one to
send me, so I cancelled the order    maybe it wont show up on the
mastercard....yea, right

supposed to pick up the car from the body shop tomorrow at about 5pm, trick is
its almost 300 miles away and I cant leave here until about 11:30 that doesnt
look bad, I only have to average about 55mph   BUT   the part that makes the
whole thing tricky is I'm going to be driving my 3/4t pickup   MATHMATICAL
EQUASION- 4:10 gears + small block = LOW TOP END SPEEED   I might make
it....yea, right

when I do get the car back, I'm going to check its 0-60 and 1/4 mile times then
put in the chip and check 'em again    I always keep record of the miles
traveled and gas used, so I'll compare before and after on that too.

I'm figuring (by way of murphys law)that since I have just spent
- -$120  for a new alternator
- -$1500 for a new tranny
- -$1600 for paint & body work
- -$110  for the performace chip

that the car will likely be totaled within a month by
- -an uninsured motorist (probably in a F*rd)
- -an uninsured meteor  (just dawned on me that could be a mercury, but I meant
the other) - -a motorist whose insured with a company that will pay me $2,500
for my car ('cause it was in such good shape!) - -in the event of the first
two, my insurance company would probably give me $2,000 for my car ('cause it
was in such good shape!)

let ya know what happens
Dustin

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 19:26:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: no email in days !!!!

 a fellow list member contacted me today and asked if i had received any mail
from the list lately. he said he had not gotten any in 4-5 days. (his address
is trudolph@frii.com)   im getting mail, but it seems to be slower than
normal,  has/is there a problem with the list?  has anyone else noticed this
lately?  just thought i would pass this along and thanks.
  steven.w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 16:39:51 -0700
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

Tom,

Yes, they are non functional and do give the appearance of air vents
into the engine.  And the hood rises along the fins vertically.

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:29:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Olds Performance Offerings

In a message dated 97-10-22 21:42:34 EDT, you write:

<<  Now, if I had $45k to spend, I'd
 get a Pontiac Hurst Firebird by Lingenfelter.  That's a real cool
 car...outruns a new C5 Corvette!  >>

For that kind of money, I'd think about a Shelby Cobra repop (Unique
Motorcars has a very nice lineup and a clear disclaimer that they are not
associated with F*rd - what a relief!) with a tough 427 cid.  Even the 289
cid is a screamer.  This car looks great and gives the latest GTS Vipers a
lot to worry about.    With the 427, you can turn very low twelves all day
long.   There's nothing else like it in my mind.

Now of course, given my profession (I'm a minister in the Episcopal Church)
I'll never have opportunity to drop $45k into a car.  I am, however, trying
to convince my Dad to get one when he sells his Porche 968.  "Say Dad, can I
borrow the new car...for a few weeks?!"  I could settle for that.

Tom Simmons
71 SX (for sale)
70 SX W-32 (soon, when I sell the 71)
65 Cutlass (driver)

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 20:48:01 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: whats the HP of a '70 350 cid

Gary,

Even though you don't want to make a hotrod, like Jason said...an '87
Cutlass has 7A heads, which suck for power and economy...I'd just use
the ones on the 350, and also, if you want to turn it into a doorslammer
later, you'll already be equipped...

Oh, and to whoever tried to correct me....as far as my records show,
there were 3 350's put out in '70...on w/ 9.0:1 @ 250 hp (2bbl.), one w/
10.25:1 @ 310 hp (4bbl.), and the W31 w/ 10.5:1 @ 325 hp (4bbl.)...thats
straight from an engine book...so I don't know who's right...hell, you
may verywell be...

Also, some of us have to worry about emissions still, not all states
have the same laws...so keeping your "crap" as it was said would be a
good idea...

John

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Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 23:54:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: TN yard crushing! Act now.

Feller I met here at the centennial just phoned the other day... says there's
ayard near him, in TENESSEE, preparing to crush all the old cars.

I advise anyone near there to get there, salvage them C heads, B heads, Toro
motors, dist's, etc.

Oh, yah, for the Poncho fans... said to be about FIFTY '73-81 TA's, etc. there.
There's your stabilizer bars & disk brakes?? for our A-bodies, right?

He says his feeble memory calls it Danny's ?? or similar, near McMinville, TN.
I need to try a Switchboard search yet. You can too.

Please, anyone can do so, try to grab some parts. Cheap C heads. I am working
on getting my brother's neighbor & my brother to go down there, load up.

Not the greedy sort in general, I figured I would let all of you know as well.
The more the merrier.
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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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