
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 12 1997     Volume 01 : Number 951



Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS
Re: 
Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS
Oldsmobile DRCE blocks
Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS
New Aluminum Olds Heads: Any Report from SEMA yet?
Re: Tires !
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: new toy
Re: new toy
ADMIN: Time to Stop!!!
Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS
Re: Brakes :(
Re: Update on my car, plans... #2
Fixin' the Brakes
Spark Plugs
RE: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: 
Re: A Night At The Races
Re: Fixin' the Brakes
Re: Reverse lights are unemployed
Re: Brakes :(
Re: Spark Plugs
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo
Hi
Re: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending
Re: 
Freezing batteries.... (Re: winterize (long!))
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74 Delta 88
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Re: Toronado Center Cap Help!!!!
Re: Hey all...
Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
Re: Hey all...
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:51:15 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

Rick wrote:
> 
> >      "Reason to not party anymore"-
> >>> >> > >>>> >
> >>> >>      This guy went out last Saturday night to a party.  He was
> >>> >> having a good time, had a couple of beers and some girl seemed to
> >>> >> like him and invited him to go to another party.  He quickly
> >>> >> agreed and decided to go along with her.  She took him to a party
> >>> >> in some apartment and they continued to drink, and even got
> >>> involved
> >>> >> with
> >>> >> some other drugs (unknown which).
> >>> >>      The next thing he knew, he woke up completely naked in a
> >>> >> bathtub filled with ice.  He was still feeling the effects of the
> >>> drugs,
> >>> >> but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down at his chest,
> >>> >> which
> >>> >> had "CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE" written on it in lipstick.
> >>> >> He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it up
> >>> and
> >>> >> dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation was and
> >>> >> that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was
> >>> really
> >>> >> calling.
> >>> >>      She advised him to get  out of the tub.  He did, and she asked
> >>> him
> >>> >> to look himself over in  the mirror.
> >>> >>      He did, and appeared normal, so she told him to check his
> >>> back.
> >>> >>      He did, only to find two 9 inch slits on his lower back. She
> >>> told
> >>> >> him to get back in the tub immediately, and they sent a rescue team
> >>> >> over.
> >>> >>      Apparently, after being examined, he found out more of what
> >>> had
> >>> >> happened. His kidneys were stolen.
> >>> >>     They are worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market.  (I was
> >>> >> unaware this even existed.) Several guesses are in order:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>  The second party was a sham, the people involved had to be at
> >>> least
> >>> >>  medical students, and it was not just recreational drugs he was
> >>> >>  given.
> >>> >>     Regardless, he is currently in the  hospital on life support,
> >>> >> awaiting a spare kidney. The University of Texas in conjunction
> >>> >> with Baylor University Medical Center is conducting tissue research
> >>> to
> >>> >> match the sophomore student with a donor.
> >>> >>     I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting
> >>> business
> >>> >> travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very
> >>> skilled
> >>> >> personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently very
> >>> >> active in New Orleans.  The crime begins when a business traveler
> >>> goes
> >>> >> to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day.  A person in
> >>> the
> >>> >> bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a
> >>> >> drink.  The last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in
> >>> a
> >>> >> hotel room bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is
> >>> >> sipping
> >>> >> that drink.
> >>> >>     There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not to move
> >>> and
> >>> >> to call 911.  A phone is on a small table next to the bathtub for
> >>> them
> >>> >> to call.  The business traveler calls 911 who have become quite
> >>> >> familiar with this crime.  The business traveler is instructed by
> >>> the
> >>> >> 911
> >>> >> operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them and feel if
> >>> >> there is a tube protruding from their lower back.  The business
> >>> traveler
> >>> >> finds the tube and answers, "Yes."  The 911 operator tells them to
> >>> >> remain
> >>> >> still, having already sent paramedics to help.
> >>> >>      The operator knows that both of the business traveler's
> >>> kidneys
> >>> >> have
> >>> >> been harvested.
> >>> >>      This is not a scam or out of a science fiction novel, it is
> >>> real.
> >>> >> It is documented and confirmable.  If you travel or someone close
> >>> to you
> >>> >> travels, please be careful.
> >>> >>      Sadly, this is very true.  My husband is a Houston
> >>> Firefighter/EMT
> >>> >> and they have received alerts regarding this crime ring.  It is to
> >>> >> be taken very seriously.  The daughter of a friend of a fellow
> >>> >> firefighter had this happen to her.  Skilled doctor's are
> >>> performing
> >>> >> these crimes! (which, by the way have been highly noted in the Las
> >>> >> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts
> >>> >> regarding this.  This story blew me away.  I really want as many
> >>> people
> >>> >> to
> >>> >> see this as possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> 
> ==============================================================
> Robin S. Conlin
> Vit. K Lab
> HNRC at Tufts University
> 711 Washington St.
> Boston, MA 02111
> (617) 556-3088
> conlin_vk@hnrc.tufts.edu



I don't know if I would believe it or not, since this exact plot was in
a movie that was just on cable a couple of weeks ago here in New York.
Besides, wouldn't it be all over the news programs by now ?

Just someting to tink about ! 

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:04:16 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 

In a message dated 97-11-12 10:02:56 EST, you write:

<< for the guy who thinks his cutlass can beat this q4 i wait for the 
 chance.  I confess though its not even near stock.  rocketparts catalog 
 was raided.  It all depends on whats done to your car.  dont downplay the 
 power of this car or youll get smoked.  I know mustang headlights all to 
 well.  Either way an olds wins, thats all that matters!!!
  >>
well well, that was thw whole point, the idiot had a 200k STOCK 1990 q4,
sorry, i just dont see that being a world beater, sure its quick for what it
is, but killin 5.0's
on a reg basis?? Not if the gut knows how to drive.  You are right though, as
long as an olds wins............Bernie

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 12:03:08 -0800
From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Subject: Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

That's the 3rd version I've heard.

Chaulk it up to another successful urban legend, brought
to you by the Internet!


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:54:47 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile DRCE blocks

>  (The Balancing Act, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA,
> > 1(905)685-5182) and so he did my work super cheap - told me that the amount of money I spent on the machining work and
> Is that near the GM Engine Plant in St. Catherines? I have been there
> twice recently.

        There's a number of GM plants in St. Catharines - this place is in a mini-mall off of Welland Avenue just south of the Q.E.W.

> If I am not mistaken I think the DRCE block shares similarities with a
> Chevy design, as in having a bolt pattern to accept Chevy Heads.

        You're just a little bit off.  The normal DRCE cast iron block (not the Pro Stock version) will only accept Oldsmobile DRCE heads.  However, the '97 Performance Parts Catalogue says it shares many internal components with the Mark IV Chevrolet Big Block V8.  Crackshafts, rods, cams, timing gears, ignition and many external accessories are interchangeable between the Olds DRCE and
Big-Block Chevy blocks.  If you want to use Chevy heads you have to get the Pro Stock version of the block which has no head bolt holes drilled.  You can, however, buy a version of the cast iron block with a Pontiac head bolt pattern pre-drilled.  If anybody wants specific info on these monsters, lemme know and I'll post it or send it right to you.  Pictures also available.  An aluminum versin
of the block is also available, manufuactured by Keith Black.  One thing, however that should be noted is that the blocks come with NO engine mount bosses on them so they aren't intended just to "drop in" to your daily driver or mild-performance musclecar.

> It will with the proper $$$$. I know a few GN guys with seriously built
> 200R4's making over 500 ft /lbs, running low 11's. What you need is the
> new 4L80E 6-speed automatic. Can take a punishment and has all the gears
> of a manual T-56.

        I'll have to look into the price of that tranny next year, Jay, thanx.
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Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 14:43:37 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

> >      "Reason to not party anymore"-

<Snip>

Sorry, but this is a bit of Urban Folklore that's made the rounds
about 9 mos. ago... the existence of webbed 403s is less fictional :)



Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:28:30 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: New Aluminum Olds Heads: Any Report from SEMA yet?

Checking out Edelbrock's preview of the new aluminum Olds heads (
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/preview_for_98.html ), I began to
wonder who it was that was going to the SEMA show, and if there were any
prices available for these heads? It looks like they're pretty complete,
and are to be sold in "ready-to-run" condition, which I assume means that
not only are the valves included, but also assembled with springs and
retainers as well. If that's the case, then these quite easily could be an
excellent deal, since new valves, springs, retainers, studs, hardened seats
and the machine work to install these items can easily run to nearly $1000.
The Pontiac heads are priced at around $1800 assembled, so if the Olds
units are similarly priced, it might be worth a $500 premium over a good
set of iron heads to go with aluminum.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:50:12 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Tires !

>      On the subject of tires.........does anybody still make a
> 235-70R14? I know BFG did....I have a set on my W30. Someone said they
> are now discontinued. Is this true :(

I just bought 225/70R/14's for my '72 442.  The salesman said that the
225 was the tallest 70 series tire for a 14" rim that BFG has available.

my too sents

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 08:37:04 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

At 07:51 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?
>
I checked out Edelbrock's booth at SEMA.  They had a pre-production head on
display.  They would not quote even a ballpark price and said that they
would be shipping in February or March.  I was kind of disappointed with
that answer but they would not give me any more details.

The rest of SEMA was as always a blast.  It's truly a car guy's candystore.
 Too bad you can't buy any of the products right there.  I highly recommend
it to anyone who has the opportunity to go.

I have the Edelbrock "New for 98" flyer which gives some detail on the Olds
head.  If anyone is interested, I can post it or mail it privately.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 11:49:19 EST
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Re: new toy

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 02:12:13 -0700 Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
writes:
>became the proud owner of a '70 Delta 98 LS today!!   she ugly but she 
>HAULS!!
>


        Hmmmmm, I never heard of a Delta "98"

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:30:24 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: new toy

Dustin Cross wrote:
> 
> became the proud owner of a '70 Delta 98 LS today!!

Congrats!

>   she ugly but she HAULS!!

Yeah, you'll have that.

> I never new the high beam indicator in those cars were so cool! (took me a while to
> figure out thats what it was)

Let me guess, a little knob on the floor next to he brake. I had to ask
my parents where the brights were. I was used to the turn signal deal.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 16:38:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Time to Stop!!!

OK, first, the kidney story is not a subject of discussion here. Take 
it elsewhere please, and anyone following up with a full re-quote will 
get booted.

Number 2, the whole Quad 4 vs. V-8 thread is hereby declared dead. As 
bad as last week's 700HP 307. In other terms, a p*ss&*ng contest that 
serves no useful purpose. Please stop.

Sorry to be blunt. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:42:49 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: NON OLDS BUT SERIOUS

> "Reason to not party anymore"

[...ridiculous urban legend, in which guy supposedly falls asleep at a
party and awakens to find his Good Times virus has been surgically
removed, deleted...]

>>> >> It is documented and confirmable.

...though not here, unfortunately.  :-)

You can find an entertaining discussion about this particular urban
legend, and how it's evolved and mutated over the years, at the Urban
Legends website, specifically:
http://www.urbanlegends.com/medical/organ.theft/kidney_theft_tube.html

Enjoy!
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Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 97 16:42:36 EST
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Brakes :(

Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Do what I do when I don't have the money...Do it yourself!  A dealer shop
> manual will teach you wonderous things about your car.  You would be amazed at
> what you can do even when your wallet says you can't.  I rebuilt my TH-350 in
> 36 hours with a friend, a shop manual, and a sense of adventure.  Good Luck.
> 
> Patrick Rose wrote:
> >         I took my car to Mineke today. They said that the brakes hadn't
> > been serviced in a while and it would cost $750 (after a $50 discount).
> 

$750!!    On a budget,  used rear drums cost $10 ea. in a junkyard.  You
can find drums in good condition yourself.  use a measuring stick to make 
sure the drum isn't out of round, use something that'll measure to a 1/16th
of an inch.  drum shoes new $20-30 for both sides.   If you need new
wheel cylinders, $12 ea refurbed.    Front end, junkyard rotors $10-$20
ea., new $80 max.,,  rebuild master cylinder = $15-40.  if you need to
replace both front calipers, $50-80 new...  thats a total of $250 or so
if everything must be replaced....  I'm guessing you might need your rotors
resurfaced, or replaced, new shoes and pads,,,  you are looking $50-150
most likely.

brake service centers are notorious for replacing everything regardless
of whether its required.  Its a rule of thumb for them to replace
wheel cylinders when they replace shoes and quite often, replace calipers
when they replace pads....  very unnecessary....

do it yourself!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:09:18 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Update on my car, plans... #2

the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com wrote:

> ticket.  I found a 1984 Custom Cruiser, blue, bit of a dent in back
> d-side 1/4 panel, rest of body is straight and paint is shiny,

> 1970 Olds Delta 88 two door, nice interior, decent body, palm sized

> 1984 Cutlass Supreme Brougham, blue/blue, very very nice interior,

BUY ALL THREE!!!!

and of course...   FORGET THE LINCOLN!!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:23:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Fixin' the Brakes

Thank you Jim, Dave, Sylvan and Doug. You guys are right. This isn't going
to keep me down. I'll keep you guys posted as far as my progress with the
brakes. Hopefully I can get them back up soon because I think I might be
able to work at a radio station in Raleigh. The Cutlass is going to have
to end its little vacation time and get back to work! Thanks for the
support guys!


Pat
'68 Cutlass S

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:47:44 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Spark Plugs

With all this talk about spark plugs lately, I got to thinking about
changing mine.  Has anyone here compared Bosch Platinums to ACs, or did I
miss the post?  My friend here swears by Bosch Platinum plugs and I told
him that y'all swear AC plugs.  He said that the AC ones are trash, but he
drives a 94 Probe SE, so I know he's WAY misinformed to begin with! 
Seriously, are these Bosch plugs really worth the money?  My three choices
are Bosch, AC Rapidfire, and regular AC.  Has anyone had any bad
experiences with any of these?  Thanks for responding.

P.S. The plugs haven't been changed in my car for at least 30,000 miles. 
Is it possible that these are the original plugs (81k miles on the car
now)?  The first owner did none of his own work and I can't find a receipt
for plugs anywhere.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:56:40 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

I spoke to a tech rep at Mondello's this morning and he said not till Feb/98 most likely. They also claimed that they will probably cost $1200.oo for a bare set, $1500.oo assembled, and  about $2000.oo ported by Mondello. They can also be ordered with valves as big as 2.2" int, and 1.7" ex.

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From: 	TURBO38@aol.com[SMTP:TURBO38@aol.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, November 12, 1997 2:51 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:02:37 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> well well, that was thw whole point, the idiot had a 200k STOCK 1990 q4,
> sorry, i just dont see that being a world beater, sure its quick for what it
> is, but killin 5.0's
> on a reg basis?? Not if the gut knows how to drive.  You are right though, as
> long as an olds wins............Bernie

I've learned there's an art to killin' FORD 5.0s <G>  There's a guy I
know that can turn low 7s in the 1/8 that runs a 4 Cyl.  His is a
"stock" 4 Cyl, but not "stock" to the car it's in...  It's a 2.3L Turbo
Charged 4Cyl in a 74 Pinto... Not bad for a little 4...  <G>
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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
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___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:04:48 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: A Night At The Races

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> >"YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED!!  Just as the first yellow light started
> THE DAMN PHONE RINGS!!"
> 
> Just goes to show a little technology in a old car can beat a new car with a
> lot of technology (that probably cost twice as much).

Hahahah, if it were me, I wouldn't answer the phone...  Wait 12-15secs
and pick up.

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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
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___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:10:35 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Fixin' the Brakes

Patrick Rose wrote:
> 
> Thank you Jim, Dave, Sylvan and Doug. You guys are right. This isn't going
> to keep me down. I'll keep you guys posted as far as my progress with the
> brakes. Hopefully I can get them back up soon because I think I might be

I understand brakes can be a little intimidating, but if you take them
apart, one side at a time, you can get 'em back together...  The guys at
work taught me how to do brakes the hard way...  They took em apart, I
had to figure out how to put 'em together!! <G>  But before then I was
uneasy about doing Disc Brakes...  Lemme say, GM and Cry-sler got their
stuff together...  Two 3/8 Hex head screws hold MOST of the brakes in
the front end together, I don't think that 68 had any revisions like
those on the 97 Cutlass...

Mechanic - National Car Rental.....
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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:17:43 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Reverse lights are unemployed

Green, Andrew wrote:

> You have a choice of two places: steering column or trans linkage
> (underneath).

Underneath...  Ahhh, easier than ripping dashes apart!!! <G>
 

> The trans linkage is also adjustable for the same thing. I adjusted it
> down there when the aging motor mounts allowed the engine to sit lower
> in the cradle, which tended to pull the shift linkage out of synch and
> screwed up the backup lights. If you look underneath you should find one
> point where a setscrew bolt clamps onto a short bar, and loosening the
> setscrew allows you to slide the clamp back and forth a little on the
> bar. Fiddling with it a little bit (shouldn't need more than an inch or
> so of movement) there should get your backup lights back.

COOL, I LIKE that idea...  Its going to get it's first oil change (from
me) tomorrow and a little bit of tweaking....  
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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 15:19:12 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brakes :(

>anyone near the Chapel Hill/Durham area they would recommend, let me 
know.
>Pat
>Chapel Hill, NC
>prose@email.unc.edu
>'68 Cutlass S (sick)

Pat,
 I used to work at the Meineke in Greenville. They're good people.
Sounds like the one near you is trying to shaft you. They has better be 
replacing EVERY component for that kind of money (proportioning valve, 
steel lines, wheel bearings, rear axle seals, emergency brake cables, 
etc., plus all the normal stuff ).

I agree with the other people on the list that you can do it yourself. 
Brakes are not difficult if you take your time with them. If you do not 
feel that you are mechanically inclined PLEASE find someone to help you, 
or take it somewhere. Your life is worth more than a couple hundred 
bucks.

If you do take it to get it fixed, check around. Most shops, including 
the Meineke's, are independently owned. This allows for a great variance 
in repair costs. If you feel you can make it to Greenville (cool place, 
ECU is there, about an hour and a half from you), go see Mike and tell 
him I sent you. It would probably be several hundred dollars cheaper. 
You'll have to go there though, he won't give quotes over the phone.

Good luck, and if you have any questions about how to work on the brakes 
you can e-mail me at fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com

Brent Pinkstaff
ASE Certified Auto Technician
70 Cutlass S  

______________________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 18:21:26 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Spark Plugs

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Seriously, are these Bosch plugs really worth the money?  My three choices
> are Bosch, AC Rapidfire, and regular AC.  Has anyone had any bad
> experiences with any of these?  Thanks for responding.

It's still a wierd thought that I can use AC Delco parts in my own car
again!!!  Stupid Ford car... <G>  Anyway, back on subject...  I have
played with a few different plugs in my old car, and with a 4 Cylinder,
noticing a performance difference is obvious...  I liked the Bosch
Platins and the Autolite Double Platinums...  The Autolites were much
better looking after 15,000 than the Bosch.

But, to each his own...  
- -- 
            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:09:49 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
> >Matt Cremean wrote:
> >>
> >> 7) Use a major credit card such as MasterCard, Visa, or American
> >> Express, and BUY A MACINTOSH.
> >
> >Aww, man!  And we thought you were cool... ;-)
> >_____________________________
> >
> >Jason K. Adcock
> 
> Jason everybody is entitled to mistakes.
> 
> Daren

OH REALLY!?!?!?!!! Bah! I knew this was gonna start, so I came prepared,
suckers:

Here's a quote from the New York Times, shamelessly ripped from Matt
Lee's Home Page:

 "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."


- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:29:17 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 200-4R/3.73 Combo

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Here's a quote from the New York Times, shamelessly ripped from Matt
> Lee's Home Page:
> 
>  "DOS Computers manufactured by companies such as IBM, Compaq, Tandy,
> and millions of others are by far the most popular, with about 70
> million machines in use worldwide. Macintosh fans, on the other hand,
> may note that cockroaches are far more numerous than humans, and that
> numbers alone do not denote a higher life form."

Is it not true that the PC sitting atop the desk is _higher_ than the Mac
used as a doorstop?  Okay, lets stop this before someone gets mad...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:50:56 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Hi

Well, I am back.   (I am froont too!)

Olds related tales of mystery, horror and amazement will come at a later
date.

What is important right now is that someone Email me directly with the
critical web sites (e.g. Mr. Buehner's [a.k.a. Oldsmobile Magnet] home page
and Olds chat room). I will not recover such addresses until I upload my web
page from disk (it must be around here somewhere!). And I am on the digest so
I will not read posted results immediately.

Thanks.

Great to be back. Can't wait to hear what's been doin'.

Extra hello to Greg Pruett and Clayton Pierce!

Karl Aune
9410 S. Hamilton
Chicago, Illinois
60620

1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan  (TWO beauties just like it at lansing!)

Soylent Ocean Mist says "Vrrrooom!"  (Sorry, he has been temperamental
lately.)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 00:57:22 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending

lad to here you got you rocket back.  sorry about all them damage.

but at least it is home(after repairs) now.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d 

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:04:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: 

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997 RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-11-12 10:02:56 EST, you write:
> 
> << for the guy who thinks his cutlass can beat this q4 i wait for the 
>  chance.  I confess though its not even near stock.  rocketparts catalog 
>  was raided.  It all depends on whats done to your car.  dont downplay the 
>  power of this car or youll get smoked.  I know mustang headlights all to 
>  well.  Either way an olds wins, thats all that matters!!!
>   >>
> well well, that was thw whole point, the idiot had a 200k STOCK 1990 q4,
> sorry, i just dont see that being a world beater, sure its quick for what it
> is, but killin 5.0's
> on a reg basis?? Not if the gut knows how to drive.  You are right though, as
> long as an olds wins............Bernie
> 
all i got to say is own one and youll know.  everyone that drives these 
mustangs cant all not know how to drive.  In my town every other car is a 
5.0 .  they shouldnt get pissed just buy a q4!!!  jeff you can add to this!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:07:51 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Freezing batteries.... (Re: winterize (long!))

In a message dated 97-11-12 16:14:31 EST, you write:

<< car..
 
 The block of wood is for thermal insulation, not electrical insulation.
 If the battery sits on a concrete floor (e.g. in your garage), the
 concrete will chill it to the temperature of the ground at night, below
 the temperature of the surrounding air, causing condensation to form on
 the casing. The moisture allows a slow trickle drain (or short, if you
 will) from one terminal to the other. And a garage is a pretty humid
 place to begin with, as the engine will generate almost a gallon of
 water vapor for each gallon of gas you burn. The block of wood helps
 block heat transfer from the battery to the floor, keeping the battery
 at surrounding air temperature and thus preventing condensation from
 forming on the case.
 
>>

I'd agree with everything Andy has said here, but there's one thing to add.
 It also causes the >INSIDES< of the battery to freeze.  If anyones ever had
a battery freeze on them, they know that it won't crank, it's dead.  I'm sure
that freezing a battery is not a great thing for its life, or
charging/cranking capabilities.

Chris Ruper

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does any one know where to get the little 6 inch piece of gold striping 
for the front driver side fender on an 89 calais q4?  ive gone to the 
dealer and due to the really limited edition of this car they cant get 
this front piece themselves!  Im also new to this list and its great.  
Ive been an olds fan for many many years (my dad worked for olds for 19 
years so that helps).  this is the type of thing ive looked for for many 
years.  Good luck to everyone and their oldsmobiles.  my friends just as 
crazy about these cars as i am but hes to cheap to get email--his loss!


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:11:23 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending

Well, today the 3 day crisis came to an end.

I (yes, I) found my 86 cutlass Salon in the hotel parking lot next door
to my office.  
Insurance will cover everything but the radar detector and cds.

(CUTTING and SNIPPING)
Jeff Dick
86 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops (stolen once, never twice)


Jeff, you are a lucky guy.  You got your baby back basically intact. 
You might check your homeowners or renters (as the case may be)
insurance to sdd if they will cover the other items.  Sometimes they
will surprise you with what's covered by a policy.  Unfortunately most
of the time the surprise is what's NOT covered.  Again congradulations
on your good fortune.  As I said in an earlier post, it often pays to
keep your eyes open at all times.  One other item you might find
interesting, if you hadn't found the car it would probably been towed by
the company that owns the parking lot eventually and wind up in a towing
company holding lot.  You were most fortunate all the way around.  Sorry
to hear about the damage, but at least it's back home.  I would suggest
you be sure to change the code on the garage door opener, etc. etc.
You need to check the car over carefully as you have no idea what or how
it was used or abused.  

Quite a rush seeing and repo-ing it wasn't it? 

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
>
>        That's great that you got all the good parts on your car. I'm not
>saying that the Quad 4 is a bad engine. I don't think you can come close to
>the 12.98 ET of my 67 442 can run (yes it's a factory W-30).

I agree it's good to hear you have a potent little pocket rocket but saying
you can beat this and that doesn't mean a whole lot with out a time slip to
back it up. I raced a '65 El camino with a dual quad tunnel ram sticking
through the hood with my stock '65 Dynamic 88 (425 2bbl. single exhaust 2.73
rear 4100 lbs.) and had him in my rear view mirror before I got out of first
gear. I wouldn't consider it ~quick~ (never made it to the track front
bushings to worn). I had a '82 Gutlass with a '76 smogger 455 that had a
small cam, headers, 2 1/2" duals and 2.?? rear that would win the majority
of the street races it was in. It ran 15.7-16.0 at the track not very quick
but it could hold it's own on the street. I'm not putting Q4s down but if
your going to brag you need to have some proof.

Daren




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> You can disconnect the TCC or put in a switch.  I'm
> still researching how to put in a switch, that's what I'd like to do,
> actually, but I don't know about all the little technicalities, like
what
> happens if I'm in first gear going like 5 mph.  If I flip the switch,
the
> TCC won't engage, right?

Right, because the purpose of the switch you'd put in is to block power
when the computer wants to apply it; it's not to _provide_ power when
the computer doesn't want to. (I'm assuming here that you're planning to
cut into the lead where it plugs into the transmission casing, the most
accessible spot, so the switch interrupts the existing wiring.)

> The transmission will still work like normal, if I leave the switch
flipped, right?

If you leave your switch in the On position, yes.

But all that aside, I think you're shooting the messenger, or curing the
symptoms instead of the disease. The engine is trying to tell you that
it's running a bit weak, so when the computer engages the TCC, the
engine can't cope with the load and starts pinging and bogging (except,
you said, when it's first started, when it presumably is running on a
richer mixture). Have you tried tuning the carb and generally checking
to see if the engine's within specs? Granted it was a weak engine/trans
combo as others have said, and maybe it's just showing its age now, but
I'd see if you can't improve the engine health a little bit first, and
the trans problems might then go away.

> Does our Andy Green know anything about _transmission_electronics_ ?
;-)

Um... No. And I'm still trying to recover from screwing up my defogger
and cruise-control answers.  :-(
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:20:49 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:59 AM
> 
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> > 
> > ----------
> > >
> > >
> > > Uh, Robert,
> > >
> > > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > > Jest curious...
> > > cf
> > >
> > 
> >  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?
> > 
> > Bob
> 
> What's for dinner?

Meatball Subs 

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:10:43 -0000
From: "ROBERT J STEINMANN" <centuryair@prodigy.net>
Subject: 74 Delta 88

I am parting out a 74 delta 88 royale 2 dr. It was a very nice car until it
was t boned on the right side. The front clip is as close to perfect as can
be. no rust . If someone is doing a conv. this is as good as it gets. The
rear bumper is also perfect.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:22:10 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

Ah Yep thata be ME 

Call Me 905-357-4454

- ----------
> From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 11:28 AM
> 
> > > Care to tell us where this treasure trove is?
> > > Jest curious...
> >  Niagara Falls Area.  When Ya Comin?
> 
>         Hey Bob...I live in Welland....which wrecking yard is it??  Most
> of the yards I've been to always seem to get rid of their pre-80's
> cars.  BTW - you wouldn't happen to own a early 70s brown convertible
> Cutlass and attend cruise nights at Tune Town would you?
> --
> Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
> Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
> mailto:lee@mergetel.com
> 
> 

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this message is for jim.  thats great that your car runs that fast.  if 
only every olds could.  im presently running a 14.31 quarter mile.  best 
of luck to you and everyone else with their cars.  (just as long as a 
ford dosent win thats all that matters).  thanks alot jim, and great car!!!


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>> Remove battery, and preferrably store inside...but if the wife won't
let
>> you keep a 650 CCA Exide inside, set it on a block of wood, and store
it
>> in the garage.  Never set a battery on the ground...it'll drain it
over
>> the course of the winter (so I'm told).
[...]
> It's a wives' tale that setting a battery on concrete or dirt or
anything else
> will drain the battery. The battery case is well insulated and if
anything
> were going to drain it, it would be the metal base it sets on in the
car..

The block of wood is for thermal insulation, not electrical insulation.
If the battery sits on a concrete floor (e.g. in your garage), the
concrete will chill it to the temperature of the ground at night, below
the temperature of the surrounding air, causing condensation to form on
the casing. The moisture allows a slow trickle drain (or short, if you
will) from one terminal to the other. And a garage is a pretty humid
place to begin with, as the engine will generate almost a gallon of
water vapor for each gallon of gas you burn. The block of wood helps
block heat transfer from the battery to the floor, keeping the battery
at surrounding air temperature and thus preventing condensation from
forming on the case.

Having said all that, I'd agree that the "normal" drain of the battery
over time is probably more significant when in storage anyway; it'll go
just as dead sitting in your bedroom closet if you wait long enough...
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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282



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> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 1997 10:38 PM
> 
> docbob,  I am interested in the J-2 intake and carb.  where are you
located,
>  what condition,  and how much?????
> '54 olds 88
> '57 olds super 88
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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 17:11:13 -0700
From: Jono_Kohan@Sonymusic.Com
Subject: Re: Toronado Center Cap Help!!!!

Still in search for the elusive center cap for my 66 Toronado.  If anyone
has any info. on how I can get it please don't hesitate to e-mail me back.

Regards,

Jono

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:50:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: Hey all...

Hi Jerry and wecome. I'm Gary H. and I have an '87 Olds Cutlass Supreme B.
also. It has the 307 C.I. engine in it, but I'm currently in the middle of
a 350 overhaul thats going to be going in this car. I've found out
everything that I need to know about this job on this list and its FAQ's
found else where. I don't know about you, but I find this little 307
wanting. Happy to see another '87er.


>Well, it's bound to happen, so here it is:
>
>Hey...  I'm Jerry, I own an 87 Cutlass Supreme with the V8, I used to
>drive a Ford (sigh) 77 Mustang II.....
>
>So how big is this list??  (Hoping I'm not alone here)
>--
>            		 Jerry Christopher
>    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>___/.o \__, 		Lost Pony  Round-Up
>=O------0=   HTTP://WWW.GeoCities.Com/MotorCity/Downs/2169


Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:51:30 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Just getting a feel of the mail list here, and I am awestruck....  

Just an off the wall question not about Olds....  Is there anyone here
from the Southeast??  Particularlly between Savannah Ga and Myrtle Beach
SC....  I am in Charleston SC, looking for people around me....  (Boy if
this didn't make me look stooopid)  <G>

Now...  G-Body Cutlass Questions, Round #2...

1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?

2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?

3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305? 
(Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
liking Olds better)
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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 20:57:04 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Hey all...

Gary Harrod wrote:
> everything that I need to know about this job on this list and its FAQ's
> found else where. I don't know about you, but I find this little 307
> wanting. Happy to see another '87er.

Me too...  Well the 87er part...   As far as the 307 in "Big Red" now, I
see a "lack" or juice, but then again, I play with 96-98 GM and Chrysler
cars all day, EFI is a booger to keep you foot outta...  But, since I
spent the past 2 years driving a lost cause 4Cyl, an 8 is a warm
welcome...  And when the Pics come in, they don't even begin to describe
the condition on the motor...  Even though it's got 130,000 on the Odo,
it has been WELL KEPT, oil at every 5 since new, all maint logs, REAL
AWESOME shape...  It doesn't even leak, not even a little!!!!  Not bad
considering my Mustang used to leave a ring around the motor on the
driveway concrete if parked overnight...

> >Well, it's bound to happen, so here it is:
> >
> >Hey...  I'm Jerry, I own an 87 Cutlass Supreme with the V8, I used to
> >drive a Ford (sigh) 77 Mustang II.....
> >
> >So how big is this list??  (Hoping I'm not alone here)

If that didn't sound like an intro into AA
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            		 Jerry Christopher                   
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI       
___/.o \__, 	  1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 	      
=O------O=   	  It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:13:11 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

Jerry Christopher wrote:
> 
> 1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
> to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?

1981 through 1983 had the center bar in the taillights.  1984 through 1987
(and 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic) had the Rocket logo in the center.
 
> 2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
> they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?

The color-coded sport mirrors came standard on my 84 Supreme Calais.  I
don't know if they were optional on the regular Supremes or not.  Does
yours have them?

> 3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305?
> (Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
> liking Olds better)

The Oldsmobile 307 is Olds' 5.0 V8 offering.  Chevy had the 305 and Pontiac
had the 301.  They all were rated somewhere around 150 horsepower.  Chevy
305's were rated higher as the years went on, but were not in Cutlasses
(except for early-80's Canadian versions).  The Olds 307 was the last GM V8
with carburetion (4 bbl.).  It lasted all the way until 1990 in the Custom
Cruiser.  There are two different "types" of the 307.  The 1981-1984 307
had hydraulic lifters and big (relatively) ports and was rated at 150
horsepower.  The 1985-1990 307 had roller lifters and smaller ports and was
rated at 140 hp.  Both types had a HO (high output) version, rated at 180
horsepower.  This engine, unfortunately, was only offered in the hard-core
(again, relatively) performance models, the Hurst/Olds and the 442.

Hope that little essay helps out...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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