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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 21 1997      Volume 01 : Number 965



3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop
Re: 3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop
Re: Lexus bashing
Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding
Re: q4 (fwd)- Olds Aerotech
Re: VIN decoding
pertronix ignition into olds 350
A/C dilemma
Re: SS wheel questions / gasket question
Arrrgh!
Re: 69 Olds Hood
Re: A/C dilemma
Re: Non-Olds.
662
Re: q4 (fwd)- Olds Aerotech
Edelbrock Dips
timing mark way off
fast coolant
Color codes '71 Cutlass
Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
egr vs. air
Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass
Re: Car Craft Top Ten Oldses
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
snippage in replies
Re: A/C dilemma
Re: egr vs. air
RE: 69 Olds Hood
70 Cutlass FS
Re: 57 phantom
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed
Re: fast coolant
Re: Non-Olds.
73 turn signal prob
New AMT model 66 442
Re: FW: Off the frame restoration (Long reply)
Re: Edelbrock Dips
Re: egr vs. air
Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding
Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding
Re: fast coolant
re: phantom 57
Re: Rear Suspension Noise and other things
Re: energy suspensions phone ª
Idle Load Compensator (Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding)
Re: Idle Load Compensator (Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding)
RE: G-body parts source
Re: Rear Suspension Noise and other things
RE: fast coolant
Re: Edelbrock Dips
Re: Edelbrock Dips

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 17:33:31 -0500
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: 3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop

Whilst perusing the Muscle Car Trader (for Oh and Western NY) 11/12-19/97
came across the following ad:

1970 Olds Cutlass Supreme Conv, very rare, 3 speed on column, a/c, white
w/tan top, 350 Rocket, dark brown vinyl interior Ralley wheels, sport
steering wheel, VGC, $9500

I was curious just how rare do you think this one really is? I'd think a
3-speed would be fairly rare on a Cutlass, but on the tree, on a Supreme
AND a droptop. Just wondered if anyones seen/heard of these before?

Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:03:52 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997, Paul L. Fikaris wrote:
> 1970 Olds Cutlass Supreme Conv, very rare, 3 speed on column, a/c, white
> w/tan top, 350 Rocket, dark brown vinyl interior Ralley wheels, sport
> steering wheel, VGC, $9500
>
> I was curious just how rare do you think this one really is? I'd think a
> 3-speed would be fairly rare on a Cutlass, but on the tree, on a Supreme
> AND a droptop. Just wondered if anyones seen/heard of these before?

Doesn't someone on this list (Everett H. maybe?) own one of these? I seem
to recollect someone talking about this...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:01:51 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Lexus bashing

That's the problem with today's cars, NO STYLE!!!! All the car
manufacturers are always trying to mimic the others, especially those
european guys. Anything pre-73 is alright by me and it doesn't HAVE to be
an OLDS !!!

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Wed, 19 Nov 1997 23:45:12 -0500 (EST) RCKTPWR@aol.com writes:
>still has no style, id take a 2dr conv 56 olds super 88 any day, over
>ANY
>lexus {deluxe toyota mercedes wannabe}
>

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 19:51:06 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> trim on the hood.   All 442/Hursts had 15x7 all-chrome SSII syle rims
> with either a red pinstripe on the outer rim with silver inlay for H/Os
> or a gold pinstripe with gold inlay for 442.

Nice complete description!  One thing, though...you meant SSIII rims and
not SSII rims, right?  I've got 14x6 chrome SSIII's on my 84 CSC and I was
sure the 15x7's were just larger versions of the same wheel.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:14:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: q4 (fwd)- Olds Aerotech

On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 dana@asicstiger.com wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
> smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu on 11/20/97 12:05:49 PM
>
> Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
> To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> cc:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)
> Subject:  Re: q4 (fwd)- Olds Aerotech
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Nov 1997 dana@asicstiger.com wrote:
>
> >
> > I too remember the aerotech.  But that was like 7 years ago.  Does Olds
> > have any intention of beefing up the 2.4 liter TwinCam decendant of the
> Q4?
> > I would really like to see them do it.
> >
>  Yea dana the aerotech was a few years ago.  they seemed to have
> resurected the aerotech for testing on the aurora engine.  It did really
> good bye the way. I would love to know if they are ever gonna beef up the
> new cheapy q4's or bring back the old ones with some turbo or something.
> great observation!  If anyone knows anything about this new dohc v6 thats
> planned for the intrigue id love to hear about it, sounds like a real
> winner!!
>
> I think they're just planning on chopping two cylinders off either the
> Cadillac or Olds variant of the northstar V8.
>
> Here are my observations (and correct me if/where I'm wrong):
>
> 1)The intrigue is not exactly a lightweight car.
> 2)It is not offered with a manual transmission.
> 3)It currently has a very torquey and powerful feeling V6
> 4)They are planning to put a smaller DOHC V6 into it to increase appeal; a
> DOHC seems more "high-tech" and/or "imported" than a conventional v6
> 5)A smaller DOHC V6 would not feel as powerful, even if it was rated at
> higher HP, especially through an auto trans.
>
> Are buyers that buzz-word oriented that they would prefer something with a
> "DOHC" badge on it?
> I guess we'll have to see how it drives.  I guess they could tune it for
> low-end torque, but then you lose the powerful high-revving characteristic
> that makes DOHC engine so much fun.
>
> BTW, as you can tell by what I drive, I am certainly not opposed to small
> high output engines.  But believe me, a Q4 in a heavy car with an automatic
>  (ie '90 or'91 cutlass supreme)
> is NO FUN AT ALL.
>
> Dan Anderson
> '90 Cutlass Calais HO q4
>
>
 If anyone knows any specifics on this new intrigue engine let me know.
If they put a dohc v6 in this car it could make it exciting.  I am sort
of biased towards high reving engines though.  Why dosent olds do like
pontiac and put a supercharged 3.8 like the grand prix?  that car looks
like its pretty quick.  Youre right on about the q4.  if its put in
anything resembling a heavy car it would do it injustice.  thanks dan,
and cool car you got, any performance parts in it?

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition
cheap beer enthusiast

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:58:46 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: VIN decoding

You can get a catelog from Year One and it has som info in it for the years
of interest.

They are in Beautiful Down Town Tucker, Ga.  1-800-932-7663

Where is Dr. Oldsmobile?

- ----------
> From: d houlton x0710 <tc75918@hpnfssvr.mdhc.mdc.com>
> To: OLDS  <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: VIN decoding
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 1997 7:22 AM
>
> I've seen some de-coded VINs on the list in the past.  Can someone
> show me how to do it?  What digits mean what, etc?  I'm looking
> for an 80's Hurst or 442 and want to be able to check the VIN when
> I do find one.
>
> thanks
> --Dan

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:23:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
Subject: pertronix ignition into olds 350

Thanks to all who replied on the SS wheel questions... can any of you
technical types tell me what the deal is with the exhaust manifold gaskets
though?

I was also wondering if anyone out there has installed the pertronix ignition
on their 350 engine.  I just bought one, and the instructions say that on
the small block olds ONLY (it's not neccesary on any other GM small block)
if you use a shim on the distributor shaft (in order to get the right space
between the magnet ring and the pickup), you have to remove an amount
equal to the thickness of the shim from the bottom of the distributor drive
gear in order to prevent the gear from rubbing against the block or something
like that.  Has anyone installed one of these? Did you have to get the gear
milled?  Anything I should watch out for?  (BTW I'm talking about the
pertronix "ignitor" magnetic pickup unit that replaces the points)

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 18:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
Subject: A/C dilemma

When I bought my 72 cutlass last month, the A/C blew ice cold.  The first day
I drove it home, I was railing on it pretty hard (burnouts, etc.), and I saw
smoke pouring out of the hood.  I fried the clutch on the AC compressor
(literally)- here's the dilemma: should I replace the clutch ($90) or the
whole compressor ($200 + $35 for a new drier + labor, since I can't do AC
work if it involves evacuating the freon)  A mechanic told me the clutch
probably went because the compressor seized, but you can still turn it w/o
too much resistance.  I'm more inclined to think the clutch blew because I
was hitting higher RPM's that day than the car ever saw in the 112,000 miles
the previous (86 year old) owner had it.  But, I don't want to spend $90
on a clutch if it's going to be a waste since the compressor is bad...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 21:54:24 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: SS wheel questions / gasket question

At 01:59 AM 11/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>At 04:37 PM 11/19/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>
>>I have a 72 cutlass supreme with disc brakes, and I was wondering...
>>
>>1. SS1 wheels won't fit because of the disc brakes, right?


     I've read about SSI's not fitting on disc brake cars a few times here
and I have SSI's on my '69 4-4-2 (w/discs).  To make them fit all I had to
do was to grind off a bit of the outer corner edges of the back plate of the
pads (outboard ones).  Haven't had a problem.  BTW they're 15x7's.


     Glenn
     '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:20:53 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Arrrgh!

I just spent an hour typing a letter off-line all about the Super Rocket and
what happens when I go on line? AOL crashes right away before I can send it,
letter gone.

Well, next time, I guess.

Karl Aune

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 22:25:01 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Hood

At 11:45 AM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>well i have seen 70 hoods on 69 cutlass,442`s before but it`s not that simple
>of a chore.    he will have to use a 70 core support as well. the lock mech.
>was reversed from 69 to 70.   had a friend who put a ram-air hood from a 70
>442 onto his 69 442.   what type of 69 hood is he looking for ?   does it
>have luvers in it ?  i deal in parts, maybe i could help.         please
>reply steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

    Well, I'm pretty screwed up here....I thought that what I have and have
advertised as a '70 hood (as I was told) may actually be a '69 hood.  It has
a single raised area and stamped-out vents on left and right sides parallel
to the windshield. When I got the correct hood for my '69 4-4-2, it placed
and latched the same as this hood does except that it has two raised panels
that are left and right of the center line and the vent areas again parallel
to the windshield have rectangular cutouts to except the chrome vent pieces
and their trim.  Somebody straighten me out here!!  What is this good
looking black hood that I have leaning against the wall of my garage that's
for sale (supposidly as a '70 Cutlass hood).

   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 20:42:29 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: A/C dilemma

PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
>
> When I bought my 72 cutlass last month, the A/C blew ice cold.  The first day
> I drove it home, I was railing on it pretty hard (burnouts, etc.), and I saw
> smoke pouring out of the hood.  I fried the clutch on the AC compressor
> (literally)- here's the dilemma: should I replace the clutch ($90) or the
> whole compressor ($200 + $35 for a new drier + labor, since I can't do AC
> work if it involves evacuating the freon)  A mechanic told me the clutch
> probably went because the compressor seized, but you can still turn it w/o
> too much resistance.  I'm more inclined to think the clutch blew because I
> was hitting higher RPM's that day than the car ever saw in the 112,000 miles
> the previous (86 year old) owner had it.  But, I don't want to spend $90
> on a clutch if it's going to be a waste since the compressor is bad...
If you have the money and time convert your system over to 134a freon.
I did this last june.  Replaced compressor, POA valve, dryer and
recharged system with 134a freon for less than 400 dollars.  Do all the
mechanical work yourself then have someone charge the system.  The
conversion works just as well as the old R-12 and is a whole lot
cheaper.  By the way first have the person who will recharge your system
capture the R-12 thats still in the system first.

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 22:46:43 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds.

Chris Miller wrote:
>
> Sorry for the non-Olds question, but how do you put a signature file on
> the bottom of your e-mails.  I am using Netscape and know how to attach
> it but how do you make one?

I second the motion....I'm using Netscape 3.0, and I'm sick of typing in
my signature at the bottom of each letter.  Could someone help *us* out?

(Sorry for the waste of bandwidth!)

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:00:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 662

Then I would have a 662, the perfect 14.  My car already has the
paint scheme of a 442, but it says 409 Rocket in the places where it would
say 442.  Many people think it's a rare factory prototype car or
something.  anyway, would someone else out there please build this car and
give it to me.  Or please donate a 6 speed transmission.  Maybe someone
else could manufacture an intake manifold for a 403 set up for 3 2-bbls.
Thanks for your generosity.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass
- ------------------------------
yeah, factory proto!
Hey, I have 2 three-speeds I could donate... How's that?

I thought I once saw an aftermarket small block 3x2 intake. I was and am
considering making one from a 2V intake. Involve a bit of cast iron welding and
a lot of machine work...

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:11:08 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: q4 (fwd)- Olds Aerotech

dana@asicstiger.com wrote:
>
> I too remember the aerotech.  But that was like 7 years ago.  Does Olds
> have any intention of beefing up the 2.4 liter TwinCam decendant of the Q4?
> I would really like to see them do it.

I think it'd be neat to see them beef the little 2.4 up and stick it in
a new Firenza.  Little more classy than the Sunfire, MORE awesome than
the el dinko Cavalier!!!
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:07:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Edelbrock Dips

>What possible difference could there be in
>the G-block W30 motors? The bores are puny, to be sure, but the same
>heads that work on all other Olds big bloke [sic] engines work on the
>68-9 W30 motor.

I'm guessing that it's because the 77cc chambers on the Edelbrock heads
would be larger than the stock "D"-head small chambers, thereby reducing
compression. But then again, they say their cams work on everything *but*
the '66-'67 Toro motors (which are the only '66-'67 motors with the 39' cam
banks on which those cams *would* work!   Dr. Robert Barry
===========================
yeah, but the 455's in say the 68-9 H/O also had D heads, so that rules out a
cc question. And, the same heads were used on the puny-bore 400's, so valve
size doesn't seem to be an issue.

I think you pegged it- they are just plain CLUUUUUUUE-LEEEEEEESSSS. Maybe if we
buy enough Olds AL heads, they can afford to buy a clue!

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:13:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: timing mark way off

>I have an olds 350 with a comp cams 270 degree cam. The problem i have
>is that i can not get the timing light to register at tdc or on the
>pointer marks.if i adjust the timing light it reads 64 degrees and then
>corresponds with the timing marks on the engine. If i connect the >timing
>light on no 5 plug lead it appears to correspond with the timing marks.
>I have tried both hei and mallory points distributor and the timing has
>not come on to the timing marks.the engine runs ok , but i cannot get >it
>on the marks, could the cam be this far advanced and still run. If so
>how can this be so, and how much performance could be lost.
- ------------------------------
Two possible scenarios: you are numbering your cylinders like a Ford, where ª5
is the driver's side front cylinder... Olds calls that one ª1.

Or, your balancer's out ring has broken its bond and spun. If that's the case,
you better replace it before the ring comes off and breaks the water pump, etc.
Been there, saw that, got the T-shirt.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:17:21 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: fast coolant

Of course, moving coolant at an infinitely fast rate would require
an infinite amount of energy!?  <g>
================
Well, what's the problem!? We *are* talking an Olds motor, right?

Maybe a 4000 HP 307? ;-)

Shoot, I put a Toro cam into a Cox 0.020 CID model airplane engine, along with
parts of an F head- lots of machine work in my secret shop- and it puts out 1.2
million HP. In fact, I can't really run it much because it affects the very
rotation of  the Earth. I fired it up just about a month & a half ago. Just for
a few minutes. Now, all we hear about is this "El Nino". Coincidence? Shyeah,
*right*.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 22:18:48 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Color codes '71 Cutlass

     Can someone tell me where I can find a list of paint/top color codes
     for my '71 Cutlass.  I didn't think this would be a tough thing to
     find on the WEB but have come up with nothing.  My Year One Catalog
     has interior color info, engine block paint data, but I can't find a
     color chart for the body.  Please help!!

     By the way, my codes on the Cutlass are "13" and "G"

     Vince Knight

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:41:34 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

dana@asicstiger.com wrote:

> 2 observations:
> 2) they were aiming at the Toyota Camry market with that car, and judging
> from olds-enthusiast's reactions, it looks like they hit the mark.

That could be good and bad...  I thought that GM based it on the Camary,
and they totally stick to similar ideas.

- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:50:07 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> << 13.345-13.365, most being in the 13.35 category...  I have 35+ > tickets
proving the runs in those areas.. >>

> r those qtr mile, or 8th mile times

1/8...  SLOWEST car on the track!
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:03:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: egr vs. air

if i was stuck with EGR, i would do some head work too - including
grinding out the EGR bump on the exhaust ports.
- ------------------------------
Huh? Didn't we just settle all this in excruciating detail? That bump in the
exhaust port has nothing to do with EGR.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:15:38 -0800
From: Larry <dilligaf@tl.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass

Paint Codes

11 Cameo White
13 Sterling Silver
16 Oxford Gray
19 Ebony Black
24 Nordic Blue
26 Viking Blue
29 Monarch Blue
39 Capri Aqua
41 Silver Mint
42 Palm Green
43 Lime Green
49 Antique Jade
50 Bamboo
53 Saturn Gold
55 Galleon Gold
61 Sandlewood
62 Bittersweet
65 Kashmir Copper
67 Sienna
68 Sable Brown
70 Doeskin
73 Briar
74 Venetian Red
75 Matador Red
78 Antique Briar

Vinyl Roof Codes

AA White
BB Black
CC Blue
EE Sandlewood
GG Green

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:20:50 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Car Craft Top Ten Oldses

- -----Original Message-----
From: David Brown <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
>----------
>Yeah, that was even better than the turbo charged "Turbo Fire" (should
>be Jetfire)!! Is that a chevyism or what?
>--
Don't they have an e-mail address now? Wonder what they would do if they got
500 e-mails telling them to get in line behind Edelbrock to buy a clue?

Daren

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:17:52 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts:
Lots of new reproduction parts will be coming out in January.
____________________________________________________________________
70 Std Auto console neutral safety switch w/bracket  $65.00
66 Turbine Full Wheel Covers (4) good  $80.00 set
68-69 Cutlass/442 Post Coupe LH Door  $85.00
(6) Hurst Wheels 14x6 (5 on 4 3/4) nice  $2300.00
65 Cutlass/442 PO2 Deluxe Wheelcovers (N.O.S. in the box)  $350.00
65 442 Air Cleaner (top only, mint)  $175.00
66-67 Toro Dual Snorkel Air cleaner  (mint) $50.00
67 442 Chrome Air cleaner (late version with no snorkel, nice)  $100.00
67 Cutlass Jetaway Trans (low miles, w/switch pitch converter)  $125.00
67 Cutlass/F-85 Grille Bar (very nice, no cracks, good chrome)  $45.00
67-69 Power Antenna assm (nice, no switch)  $45.00
67-68 Big Cars AM/FM Stereo (nice, works well)  $95.00
70 350 engine "7" heads (9000 miles, 10.0 comp, 328 stick cam)  $500.00
70 LH/RH Hood "L" moldings (few small pits under side, nice chrome) $85.00 pr
69 Rallye Pack (Gauge side only)  $75.00
70-72 Rallye Pack (Tach only, works needs needle end)  $125.00
69 442 RH Grille (nice) $50.00
75-8? Starfire Sport Steering Wheel (Tan)  $35.00
64-72 330/350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $130.00 ea
70-71 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (nice)  $155.00
72 Buick GS Ram Air cleaner (mint restored)  $200.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr

****Lots of  66-68 Toronado Parts too.****

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  LH/RH rear $15.00 ea
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00

66 Cutlass/442
66-67 Hood Hinges (nice sets)  $40.00 pr
66 Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $90.00 ea, 170.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $90.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Hood Hinges (nice sets)  $40.00 pr
67 400 442 ª1111042 Distributor  $35.00
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $100.00
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $45.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $90.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $90.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $165.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $25.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $135.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $175.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $35.00
69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $15.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $200.00 pr / $110.00 ea
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set
68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $95.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $200.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $110.00
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $50.00 set
70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea (backordered)
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $185.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $110.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $185.00
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $90.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $90.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr


Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:31:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: snippage in replies

Digest people like me get really annoyed when others feel a weird gnawing
need to quote the entire long-winded letter just to tack on thier own pithy
three syllables. Please, please, please remember: brevity is the soul of wit.
Also people of the nineties have ZERO attention span; get on with it!
=================

Yeah, what he said!

[And you cannot imagine how very bad I wanted to just r)eply to the digest post
and not snip any of its 1800 lines just to prove the point!]

It is extremely annoying to find page after page of stuff the 3rd time around.
'Specially when the university's computer is on downers. Makes me grouchy. And
you don't wanna do that again!
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 00:11:46 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: A/C dilemma

- -----Original Message-----
From: Clarence R. Isaacks II <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Replaced compressor, POA valve, dryer and
>recharged system with 134a freon for less than 400 dollars.  Do all the
>mechanical work yourself then have someone charge the system.  The
>conversion works just as well as the old R-12 and is a whole lot
>cheaper

Did this at the beginning of summer. Didn't replace compressor, POA or the
dryer (planned on changing dryer but nobody could find the correct one. none
of the ones listed in the parts books would work in my truck). Cost me a
little over $60. $15 for the retrofit kit, $8 for two pounds of 134a, a
couple bucks for new seals and $30 for labor. 134a is around $4 a pound and
any body can buy it. The air is about 2 degrees warmer coming out of the
vents though.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:30:09 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: egr vs. air

unless i understood it incorrectly, it's time to suggest some rewording
in the FAQ section on bryceman's olds page under "head porting" -  you
and several others claim that it IS an EGR hump.

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> if i was stuck with EGR, i would do some head work too - including
> grinding out the EGR bump on the exhaust ports.
> ------------------------------
> Huh? Didn't we just settle all this in excruciating detail? That bump in the
> exhaust port has nothing to do with EGR.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:16:11 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 69 Olds Hood

On Thursday, November 20, 1997 10:25 PM, Glenn Connors
[SMTP:gpc442@buffnet.net] wrote:
Somebody straighten me out here!!  What is this good
> looking black hood that I have leaning against the wall of my garage
that's
> for sale (supposidly as a '70 Cutlass hood).
>
>    Glenn
>    '69 4-4-2

You can see a picture of my 442 at: http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html
The hood is the same as a 70 Cutlass without the 442 badge. The 69 looks
almost the same, except were the 442 badge is located, this piece is
different, it is shorter. The 69 bumper is a little longer in this area
and comes up to meet the hood.

You can see a picture of Mike's 69 at
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/cutlas4.htm

You can see from the pictures what I am talking about. I hope this helps
and is the information you are looking for.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 07:38:02 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 70 Cutlass FS

Here is a ad for a 70 Cutlass for sale, that I received from
Classified2000. Just passing it along.

http://www.classifieds2000.com/


Car

1970, Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 61K miles, $6,995/OBO

Options Baby Blue exterior, Blue interior
                             Cassette Player
                             Convertible
                             Classic Car
                             Two Door
                             Automatic Transmission
Description

Rocket 350, Original interior, Car looks and runs
great. Never been rebuilt. 60,300 original miles, full
documentation on car. Must Sell !

Seller Info

For sale by private party

(301) 342-1313 [Day]
(301) 884-3372 [Eve]
matich_russell%pax2@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Mechanicsville, Maryland 20659
Post Date
19-NOV-97

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 23:43:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: 57 phantom

the 57 i refer to in the magazine picture is an altered wheelbase, radical
custom 2 seat, no door, corvette style top 57, know anything about that
one?

47rocket98

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:17:33 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

 i have a door i can take the wind regulator out of...
 olds  guy atl,ga...

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 23:39:37 +1300
From: Dave & Kandy <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: fast coolant

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Shoot, I put a Toro cam into a Cox 0.020 CID model airplane engine, along 
with
> parts of an F head- lots of machine work in my secret shop- and it puts out
1.2 > million HP. In fact, I can't really run it much because it affects the
very > rotation of  the Earth. I fired it up just about a month & a half ago.
Just for > a few minutes. Now, all we hear about is this "El Nino". 
Coincidence?
Shyeah, > *right*.

Kia Ora Chris,

Sooooooo,  it's all your fault! All this hot windy Spring weather we're
having here in New Zealand ;-)

Jeez, you're good for a laugh  :-)

- --
Dave.T.Smith
403 Old's
39' Chev
N.Z.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:25:53 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds.

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> Chris Miller wrote:
> >
> > Sorry for the non-Olds question, but how do you put a signature file on
> > the bottom of your e-mails.  I am using Netscape and know how to attach
> > it but how do you make one?
>
> I second the motion....I'm using Netscape 3.0, and I'm sick of typing in
> my signature at the bottom of each letter.  Could someone help *us* out?
>
> (Sorry for the waste of bandwidth!)
>
> S. Dave Ward


Go into notepad in windows, create you signature exactly the way you
want it to apear. Save the file with with a <.sig> at the end. Go back
to Netscape click on OPTIONS then on MAIL AND NEWS PREFERENCES. Once
there click on IDENTITY then, in that menu is where you tell netscape
where the .sig file you created can be found. Click OK to everything
then exit and restart netscape. For ease of memory I call my sig file
EMAIL.SIG, what's easier then that !

If you need more help e-mail me on the side ! (from the sig below)

Good Luck !


- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34              |_|         |_|   |_______|

* * * * * * * * *
* COMMING  SOON *---------> www.3STICKS.com
* * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 10/10/97)

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:06:32 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: 73 turn signal prob

Hi, this is directed toward the 73 Cutlass owners on the list.  Have any of
you had problems with the front turn signals?  I've had to replace the
sockets 3 times on both sides due to the sockets rusting out, and now the
system is blowing the fuse and is completely in operable.  The rusting is due
to the sockets being positioned directly in front of the front wheels,
probably why they were moved to above the bumper in 74.  Just wondering if my
troubles were  unique..
Thanks.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 06:52:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: New AMT model 66 442

Just got the  Nov/Dec edition of the"Blueprinter", which is a magazine put
out by AMT/ERTL concerning their plastic and metal models.  They have the
preview of their 98 new models which will include a 66 Olds 442 W-30.  Kit ª
will be ª6268.

They are also changing the color of the ERTL 69 442, from the current black
with white stripes, to Aztec Gold with black stripes

Currently negotiating with insurance company on damages to car from being
stolen last week, will post results when all is said and done.


Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
86 Olds Salon (Stolen once, never twice)

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 22:42:54 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: FW: Off the frame restoration (Long reply)

> Brian,

Based on your posting, I'd be interested in buyig your setup.  I'm gettin ready
to do a frame off on my '69 442 conv.  The only problem is I'll be in Korea
until early '99, but if you don't mind keeping it until then and don't wnat 
both
an arm and a leg for it I'll take the beasts off you hands.

Jim

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 08:49:00 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Dips

yeah, but the 455's in say the 68-9 H/O also had D heads, so that rules out a
cc question.

     Not necessarily, Chris.  The D heads were designed for the small-bore
     400 initially.  If the issue is that the D head chambers are smaller
     that those of other heads, then you could still put them on a 455 -
     you'd just get a different compression ratio.  Don't the D heads have
     a combustion chamber of about 67 cc vs. 80-ish for all other heads?

 And, the same heads were used on the puny-bore 400's, so valve size doesn't
seem to be an issue.

     Agreed.  2.072/1.625 valves on the small bore block, and there was
     certainly no change in the valve spacing on the D heads.

I think you pegged it- they are just plain CLUUUUUUUE-LEEEEEEESSSS. Maybe if we
buy enough Olds AL heads, they can afford to buy a clue!

     You'll get no argument from me that there's a lot of erroneous Olds
     information on the street (just look at the Camaro Craft Top Ten Olds
     list in this month's issue).  In this case, however, I think there may
     be something to the combustion chamber size.  Keep in mind that these
     kinds of warnings are designed to be completely idiot-proof.  If the
     cc difference is the issue, Someone with even a slight amount of
     intelligence could simply mill the heads to get the chamber volume
     down.

     Actually, now that I think about it, there was one Olds engine that
     used flat-top pistons instead of the normal dished units.  I'll have
     to check the service manuals when I get home, but I seem to recall
     that it _was_ the 68-9 W-30s.  Maybe the problem isn't chamber volume
     at all, but piston-to-valve clearance.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:28:09 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: egr vs. air

- -----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: egr vs. air


>unless i understood it incorrectly, it's time to suggest some
rewording
>in the FAQ section on bryceman's olds page under "head porting" -
you
>and several others claim that it IS an EGR hump.

>snip<
If, in fact this "bump" has nothing to do with EGR, does that mean it
could be on non EGR heads as well? More specificly, would my 69 350
with ª5 heads have this bump? I don't have the A.I.R. system.

TIA,
Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:17:20 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
<snip>
> Of course, the obvious, it has a chrome air cleaner lid on top of a dual
> snorkel air cleaner, snorkels 180 degrees apart.  One has provisions for
> the cool air inlet hose, the other is stubby, and just hangs out.  Quite
> an expensive item, if you can even find it.  he Hursts and 442s did not
> come with idle load compensators.  That's the little solenoid actuated
> throttle kick up on the front of the throttle linkage that raises idle
> when the A/C is turned on. And oh, yes, dual outlet exhausts were used
> only on H/Os and 442s.
Uh, Mike...my '86 442 has ILC...A little solenoid with what looks like a
bolt coming out of it, right??

<snip>
> trim on the hood.   All 442/Hursts had 15x7 all-chrome SSII syle rims
> with either a red pinstripe on the outer rim with silver inlay for H/Os
> or a gold pinstripe with gold inlay for 442.

SS II's or III's?  I thought III's.

<snip>
>
> This information is coming off the top of my head, so I hope I didn't
> leave anything out.
Damn good description for just rattling it off...other than what my
"eagle eyes" spotted... :-)
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:07:43 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding

Mike Rothe wrote:

> an expensive item, if you can even find it.  he Hursts and 442s did not
> come with idle load compensators.  That's the little solenoid actuated
> throttle kick up on the front of the throttle linkage that raises idle
> when the A/C is turned on. And oh, yes, dual outlet exhausts were used
> only on H/Os and 442s.

My '84 H/O has an idle load compensator.  In fact, I just turned it out half
a turn recently to increase idle when the A/C was on.

Other than that, excellent information Mike!  There's no way anyone could
sneak a fake past him now!

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:11:42 -0700
From: dana@asicstiger.com
Subject: Re: fast coolant

wittchri@pilot.msu.edu on 11/20/97 08:17:21 PM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   wittchri@pilot.msu.edu, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)
Subject:  fast coolant




Of course, moving coolant at an infinitely fast rate would require
an infinite amount of energy!?  <g>
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Well, what's the problem!? We *are* talking an Olds motor, right?

Maybe a 4000 HP 307? ;-)

Shoot, I put a Toro cam into a Cox 0.020 CID model airplane engine, along
with
parts of an F head- lots of machine work in my secret shop- and it puts out
 1.2
million HP. In fact, I can't really run it much because it affects the very
rotation of  the Earth. I fired it up just about a month & a half ago. Just
 for
a few minutes. Now, all we hear about is this "El Nino". Coincidence?
Shyeah,
*right*.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...


I'm sorry, I must dispute that claim of 1.2 million hp.  everyone knows the
      toro cam doesn't have enough duration for more than 1.187 million
      horsepower.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 08:35:05 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: re: phantom 57

the magazine picture i am refering to is an altered wheelbase, radical
custom, two seat, no doors, corvette style top, 57 olds.  know anything
about that one?

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:00:36 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Rear Suspension Noise and other things

>Howdy folks.  My car (84 CSC) has developed a sorta high-pitched clunk in
>the rear end that occurs when there is light to moderate side-to-side
>force.  It actually sounds a WHOLE lot like gasoline sloshing around in a
>baffle-less gas tank, but the noise has only recently developed.  Baffles
>don't break off, do they?


I can't say about Olds, but yes, in some vehicles the baffles can come
loose. I have had that happen to me twice. In one instance I ran out of gas
when the gauge read approx 1/2 tank because the now-loose baffle was
sticking in the sending unit.

Roger Hitson

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:00:38 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: energy suspensions phone ª

>Hi,
>does anybody have a phone number or address for Energy Suspensions?
>
>Thank you,
>
>Alain
>
         www.cyberauto.com
         407 725 3159

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:11:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Idle Load Compensator (Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding)

Hi Tom,

> My '84 H/O has an idle load compensator.  In fact, I just turned it out half
> a turn recently to increase idle when the A/C was on.

Is yours a 2 position electric solenoid?  According to an '87 service
manual, VIN 9 engines have an "idle stop solenoid" to maintain a correct
idle speed when the A/C is on, which is what I think you are describing.
The Idle Load Compensator (ILC) is a vacuum sensitive device used only on
VIN Y engines, serving as a variable position idle stop.  During warmup,
the ECM will cut off ILC vacuum, inducing the plunger to extend, thereby
increasing idle speed.  A properly adjusted ILC should always be in
contact with the throttle at idle (choke off), and will provide 700 rpm in
drive when the vacuum source is disconnected.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 09:30:37 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Idle Load Compensator (Re: 80's 442/Hust VIN decoding)

You're right then, it's just an electric solenoid.  A simple plunger, in or 
out.
I didn't realize there was a more complicated way to accomplish this :-)

> Is yours a 2 position electric solenoid?  According to an '87 service
> manual, VIN 9 engines have an "idle stop solenoid" to maintain a correct
> idle speed when the A/C is on, which is what I think you are describing.
> The Idle Load Compensator (ILC) is a vacuum sensitive device used only on
> VIN Y engines, serving as a variable position idle stop.  During warmup,
> the ECM will cut off ILC vacuum, inducing the plunger to extend, thereby
> increasing idle speed.  A properly adjusted ILC should always be in
> contact with the throttle at idle (choke off), and will provide 700 rpm in
> drive when the vacuum source is disconnected.
>
> Kevin

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 97 09:54:00 PST
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: RE: G-body parts source

Tom:

I recently replace most of the weatherstirpping around my 86 Salon
(including around the T-tops), grilles  and some trim pieces (internal and
external).  The best source I have found is World Chevrolet [ sorry purists
out there, I had to use the Ch*v* word, it is part of the name  :) ]. in
Florida.   Anyway, guy down there by the name of Robert Van Der Ploeg is
there parts guy who works the internet connection.  He sells parts  at below
wholesale and with no shipping or taxes.  Good quick service.  Havn't found
anything yet that he couldnt get. or a better price elsewhere..

You can contact him at 1-800-756-2438, web site  www.worldparts.com, e-mail
 macvdp@worldparts.com.

Good luck, if you need any additional info, e-mail me direct.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 12:12:57 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Rear Suspension Noise and other things

<snipped>
Baffles
>>don't break off, do they?
>
<snipped>
, in some vehicles the baffles can come loose. <snipped>. In one instance I
ran out of gas when the gauge read approx 1/2 tank because the now-loose
baffle was
>sticking in the sending unit.
>
>Roger Hitson
>
I forgot to say there was a TSB from GM re: re-attaching the plastic baffle
to the tank with "Tinnerman (sp?) nuts." The TSB wasn't for my particular
vehicle --- apparently they mostly had these problems rported with vans --
but the same fix worked for me.

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:10:40 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: fast coolant

On Friday, November 21, 1997 10:12 AM, dana@asicstiger.com
[SMTP:dana@asicstiger.com] wrote:
> Maybe a 4000 HP 307? ;-)
>
and

> parts of an F head- lots of machine work in my secret shop- and it
puts out
>  1.2
> million HP. In fact, I can't really run it much because it affects the
very
> rotation of  the Earth. I fired it up just about a month & a half ago.
Just
>  for
> a few minutes. Now, all we hear about is this "El Nino". Coincidence?

and

> I'm sorry, I must dispute that claim of 1.2 million hp.  everyone
knows the
>       toro cam doesn't have enough duration for more than 1.187
million
>       horsepower.
>
>

You guys might like to read "Is there a Santa Claus?" at:

http://www.isbiel.ch/~meism/jokes/claus_e.html

I would post it to the list, but it is a joke and that is a no no. On
item number 5, I thing  he can use the above 307 or one stock Q4 :-)

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 10:13:28 -0800
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Dips

May I offer an opinion?  It might be worth $.02, you be the judge.

Joe Mondello worked with Edelbrock in developing these heads.  I have read
various opinions on his abilities, and won't address them here, but I am
quite sure that he knows that all 400/425/455 heads are interchangeable,
and that he would have advised Edelbrock of that interchangeablity.
Edelbrock are interested in selling as many heads as possible, therefore it
doesn't make sense to exclude any applications unless you have a reason for
doing so.

My speculation/opinion is that there is some kind of legal issue with
putting these heads on the 68/69 400 motors.  Maybe the lowered compression
will negate most of the performance gain from the heads?  If so, if an
owner came back to Edelbrock complaining that the performance gains weren't
there, they could point at the list of excluded applications and say that
the user had not used them on an approved application and therefore they
need not stand by any performance guarantee.

Just my opinion.


Erik Nowacki
San Diego (Winterize?  what for?)
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 13:25:24 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Dips

At 08:49 AM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
Joe

        The Olds engine your thinking of is the 65-67 400's. They all used
flat top pistons and had the same A, B, C, heads everything else used. The
66-67 W-30's even used that .474 lift / 308 duration cam. So there shouldn't
be any piston to valve clearance problems. My Olds engine guru out here says
that piston to vavle clearance comes into effect after about .560 lift with
alot of duration.

Jim Chermack


>     You'll get no argument from me that there's a lot of erroneous Olds
>     information on the street (just look at the Camaro Craft Top Ten Olds
>     list in this month's issue).  In this case, however, I think there may
>     be something to the combustion chamber size.  Keep in mind that these
>     kinds of warnings are designed to be completely idiot-proof.  If the
>     cc difference is the issue, Someone with even a slight amount of
>     intelligence could simply mill the heads to get the chamber volume
>     down.
>
>     Actually, now that I think about it, there was one Olds engine that
>     used flat-top pistons instead of the normal dished units.  I'll have
>     to check the service manuals when I get home, but I seem to recall
>     that it _was_ the 68-9 W-30s.  Maybe the problem isn't chamber volume
>     at all, but piston-to-valve clearance.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>

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