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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 5 1997     Volume 01 : Number 938



Re: oops
Re:runs good at first then stalls
RE: Olds Numbers
Re: Tire Size
G-Tech Pro for Sale
Re: Tires
Re: Tire Size
Re: Weird block ª's
Re: Heater
What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
shift detent
Re: shift detent
Re: Toro obtained
Dashboard
Re: 58 Roadmaster
detent again
71 W30
Re: detent again
Re: Dashboard
Lansing Pictures
RE: '66 88 engine hc or lc?
[none]
Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
Re:
Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
Re: tire supplier
Re: tire supplier
Re: Tire Size
firewall markings
Re: Hubcaps
Good School
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: 71 W30
Need a part or two...
Police Pursuit Vehicle
Re: firewall markings
Re: Sams PhotoFact ?
Re: Fisher Body & Shop Manuals
Olds manuals
Re: firewall markings
Re: Good School
vacuum switches for a 70 Cutlass
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Lansing Pictures
dash stuff
Re: Suspension Parts
Re: Suspension Parts
Starfire Available
Re: '66 88 engine hc or lc?
Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
Re: dash stuff
Re: dash stuff
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Toro obtained
Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: dash stuff
RE: Sams PhotoFact ?
8 track tape player price?
Chromeplating..Holiday special

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:08:54 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: oops

I am in central IL.(near Champaign)  how much for the B-head??
                     Thanks,
                             Eric Phillips   babbott@pdnt.com

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> From: W-MACHINES <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: oops
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 8:14 PM
>
> I think I may have one for you.  Where are you?
>
> W-Machines@prodigy.net
> Northern Ohio
>
> ----------
> > From: babbott@pdnt.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: oops
> > Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 5:56 PM
> >
> > Hey fellers,
> > I need a good (no cracks) B head.  Some rotten bastard tried to port it
> and
> > ruined it....boy if I knew who did it I'd.........wait a minute... I
did
> it
> >   anyway I do need a head, so if you have one you can spare, give me a
> > shout.
> >                                         Thanks,
> >                                     Eric Phillips
> > babbott@pdnt.com

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:13:11 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re:runs good at first then stalls

>Have you looked at or replaced the fuel filter.  It could be clogged and
>have just enought gas to start and run for a few minutes.  Don't forget
>about the filter ( sock ) on the pickup tube in the gas tank.  When that
>clogs you won't get any fuel to the carb no mater how good your fuel
>pump or gas filter are.
>
>To replace the gas tank filter might  (will)  require removing the gas tank to
>gain access to the gas guage sending unit.  The sock is located on the
>unit.  If it is clogged you can just remove the sock any everythng will
>work.

Sometimes when there is gunk in your gas tank, the fuel pump will suck it up
against the sock, shutting down fuel supply. When you turn the motor off,
often the crap just falls back down into the tank.

>
>Eric Brubakken
>ebrubak@ix.netcom.com
>
Both points made by Erik are worth checking

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:12:13 -0500
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: Olds Numbers

On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 Lisa Madsen <jht@exo.com> wrote:
> . . . I tried to get Peggy to do that but they'd reissued my orig. OCA
number.  Drat.

**********************
I'm real disappointed to hear that OCA reissues member numbers, even if
it's only done occasionally.  I've been proud of my number which was issued
in 1975, and the fact that it lets other members know that I've been around
for a long time.  Now I know that it doesn't mean nearly as much.  On the
other hand I want to know if member number 442 is available . . .

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 08:13:57 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Size

Thomas Martin wrote:

> Did the 80's 442's come with 15's?  I would suspect 215 65 R15's, as GM
> was rather find of them those years (GN and Monte SS).

Yes, they did.  Exactly right.

> I would like to put a 225 to 245's on just for the looks and improved
> handling.  I still want to keep it as short as the factory tire, for the

How about a 235/60 R15.  That's what I'm using on my '84 H/O, they're the
same height as the 215/65's, and is about as wide as you can go in the front
without rubbing.  With the correct offset, I've seen people do up to 275's
in the back.  The 15"
rallye wheels are easy to find in junkyards or at a swap meet, and all
you'll need to do is strip them and repaint the color you want.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:37:35 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: G-Tech Pro for Sale

3 month old G-Tech Pro for sale.  Used a few times at the track.  No roads
around here to run 1/4 mile on.  $125 including shipping

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 11:53:42 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: Tires

John Pajak wrote:
>
> Larry, what size tires are on your 62 Starfire?
>
Hi John,I have 235/75/15 ...What a nice ride,steers better and stops way
better
than the bias tires I had on there.. Good Luck John....
                                                     LARRY

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:05:05 -0500
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: Tire Size

At 07:49 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote:
>I know this has probably been asked, but I never saw the reply.
>
>I have a 1985 Cutlass Supreme, I wish to put larger tires on, but I am
>not sure if I should keep the stock 14 in rims, or should I find the 15
>in wheels from the B-Cars and go with those wire caps and larger tires.
>Or the 70's 15in Rally wheels.  I just want better handling, and I don't
>know if the 14's are really the best for that.  This is still a daily
>driver, so I can't afford to go with NOS rims or something.  No
>aftermarket.  Want to keep it looking stock.
>
>Did the 80's 442's come with 15's?  I would suspect 215 65 R15's, as GM
>was rather find of them those years (GN and Monte SS).
>
>I would like to put a 225 to 245's on just for the looks and improved
>handling.  I still want to keep it as short as the factory tire, for the
>speedo and the 2.14 gears sake.  (Don't need to make 2.14's WORSE!)
>Stock size was 195 75 R14.  It has 205 75 R14 now, and it looks better
>with them.
>
>Thanks!
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>
Thomas,
     I've got 245/60R14 Goodyear ST's on my '87 and they do pretty good.
Look a lot better than the old stock tires and have decent handling. They
only throw the speedometer off by 1 mph. That is if your speedometer is
showing 60 mph, your really doing 59 mph. I was able to live with that.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:15:53 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Weird block ª's

t.  The
>     stamped letters on these two blocks were about 50% larger than the
>     numbers, and the numbers/letters are not well aligned, as if they were
>     individually hand stamped.  This is unlike the factory ID numbers on
>     other blocks, which have the appearance of having been stamped all at
>     once.  Unlike yours, the numbers on my blocks are right side up.
>     There is no evidence of restamping in these blocks either.



Hmmmm.   I have 4 marine motors in my garage.  Like Joe's, my stampings are
at least 50% larger than the factory vin markings, and look individually
stamped.

The 455's out of my '72 Marlin Scorpion and my '76 Sidewinder are the
original motors and both have a "M" after the drill mark.

The '72 Motor is *M2E           And the '76 motor is  *M6A
                 01872F                               7707B


I have a 403 out of my '79 Sidewinder Jet boat.  That one is stamped L9E
                                                                     00484*

The 4th motor I have I bought out of a sunk boat for 100 bucks.  It must be
out of a car.  It is stamped 39M241569 in the smaller stampings.  At least
I got a Edelbrock Torker 455 intake and some nice C heads for 100 bucks!  I
also got Marine manifolds and all hardware!

I have no idea what the L's and M's mean,  but I do know that my 455's are
original Hardin Marine units that came with my boats.  The 403 is also a
Hardin unit.

The car motor has Guardian Marine hardware on it.

My guess it is that Chris' engine is a boat block, but who knows?!?!?!?

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

70 Rayson Craft 455 V-drive
79 Sidewinder 455 Jet
86 Wellcraft Nova 454 Chev

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 11:24:34 -0600 (CST)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Heater

You may have a bad heater valve.  It would be located in your heater hose.
Most of them are vaccuum operated.  Here's how to check it:

1.  Remove the vaccum hose from the heater valve.
2.  Move the lever on the valve, and place your finger on the vaccuum
    connection.
3.  Let go of the lever; if it returns to it's original position, the
    vaccuum diaphram is rotten, and the valve must be replaced.  If the
    lever stays in position, your problem is somewhere else;  perhaps in
    the vaccuum line that runs to the valve.

Please keep in mind that I've never had the pleasure of popping the hood
on a '68 Olds, so it may use a completely different setup than what I've
described.  This is the first place I would check, though.  If the valve
is bad, any auto parts store should be able to get you a new one.  I've
paid anywhere from $12 ('79 Plymouth) to $35 ('78 F250) for one.


On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Patrick Rose wrote:

> My heater isn't working right. I was driving the car for a long
> time. I flipped the switch to Heat and tried all the fan speeds. All I got
> seemed to be outside air. When I flipped the switch below the main one
> from warm to cold and back it felt like it was opening or closing
> something, but there was absolutely no effect. I know the engine was
> pretty hot and I was wondering if anyone knew what I should check for
> problems. Thanks.
>
> Pat
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
>

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:30:54 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

Steve Ochs has a 96 DCM Impala SS.  What does DCM mean?  I have never heard
of this.  Is Jason Labays car DCM?  Sorry about Non-Olds, but you guys are
my only source of info!  :)
 I like getting info on ALL cool cars!

Thanks....
Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

And some cool Olds powered boats!

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:05:48 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: shift detent


Can anyone tell me if a '68 Cutlass with the Jetaway transmission should
kick down to first gear under full throttle?  Mine won't kickdown at all
unless you actually come to something close to a stop.  The shift detent
switch is connected at the accelerator, but I am not sure if the solenoid
is functioning properly.  Should you be able to hear it without the engine
running but the ignition on if you manually work the switch?  Replies will
be appreciated with anything remotely relevant.
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:27:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: shift detent

I don't know if I can help you but I was wondering if your '68 is a 2 or 3
spd. Mine is 2 and I think it does kick down.

Pat

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Sylvan Williams wrote:

>
> Can anyone tell me if a '68 Cutlass with the Jetaway transmission should
> kick down to first gear under full throttle?  Mine won't kickdown at all
> unless you actually come to something close to a stop.  The shift detent
> switch is connected at the accelerator, but I am not sure if the solenoid
> is functioning properly.  Should you be able to hear it without the engine
> running but the ignition on if you manually work the switch?  Replies will
> be appreciated with anything remotely relevant.
> L. Sylvan Williams
> Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
> 105 Huntington La.
> Blacksburg, Va  24060
> (540)-961-6181
>

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 12:24:25 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Toro obtained

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Shagged the 77 Toro Sunday... learned a few things.
>
> The 403 can make front tire smoke.
>
> It helps to have wet tires, and be going uphill.

I've...  uh...  ~heard~ that it helps to have the parking brake applied,
too...  :)
- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 14:29:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Dashboard

How do I restore my cracked and faded dash to its original splendor?

Pat
'68 Cutlass S

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 13:25:17 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 58 Roadmaster

The bloke who
> owned it before me was bloody wanker because he left it out in the
> elements for 10 years and did not drive it once!! That really did
> terrible damage to the car. The interior is totally ruined, the paint
> is
> all faded and cracked, and there is rust in every panel especially the
> floor. The car has not been registered since February 1985 and it's
> going to need a full body off-the-frame resto.

Wow!  That ~does~ sound much like mine.  I "claimed" it in '86, about
the time I was old enough to truly appreciate cars.  Last licensed in
'71 (the year I was born)  My stepfather had parked it when the tranny
went out, and mice took their toll on it early.  It's pretty rough,
requiring much the same treatment as yours (virtually everything!)  Big,
BIG hole in the floorpans, big enough to walk through.  I want to find a
'70 Buick Electra or some large barge like that (with a 455, of course,
and disc brakes would help too...) and do a body swap.  The wheelbase on
my '70 Delta is about right, so the Buicks should be relatively the
same...  Someday.

Mine, however, is beyond garaging, so it sits outside in the weather
where the paint can fade a bit more over the years...

> It's history is interesting though. It was originally imported by a
> famous Sydney jockey back in 1958 but he didn't pay his import duty so
> the car was seized by customs and sold to the Australian Government.
> They used it for many years to transport VIP's, the most notable being
> our longest serving prime minister, Sir Robert Menzies. The aussie
> flag
> mount is still attached to the hood!! The Buick is 95% complete with
> only a few minor bits of trim missing.

That really is interesting!  Not only is it a sweet piece of machinery,
it's a bit of history too.  Cool.

> I love the '57's too!! Was that the year when Buick split the rear
> window into 3 separate pieces and ran that chrome trim between them??

Don't recall the chrome but it's got the three windows there, anyway.

> We
> do have a few 57's here but they are as rare as a virgin.
Yup, same here in the states.
 Same goes
> for
> 58's. The official head count for aussie 58's is just 18. Only 2 of
> those are Roadmasters, mine being one of them.

Great to hear, anyways...  Gotta go back to work, though.  Later!  :)

- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 15:36:33 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: detent again

It is indeed a 2-speed--I think that that's the primary feature of a
Jetaway.  Most places who list parts for them list them as a "H.D.
Jetatway."  As for kicking down,  see if you can tell me if it kicks down
if you're going 25-40 mph and punch it to the floor.  My car is already
pretty fast, but if it would kick down...hold on!
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 14:33:56  -0600
From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
Subject: 71 W30

I just looked at a 71 W30 or that is what the seller said it was. My
question is did Olds make any 71 W30's with air conditioning and power disc
brakes? I know in 72 they did not and the "X" in the vin code tells all so
what about a 71 any certain way to tell, the vin code does have an "M" in
the right place but what else?

Al Frey
alpha1@airmail.net

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:18:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: detent again

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Sylvan Williams wrote:
> It is indeed a 2-speed--I think that that's the primary feature of a
> Jetaway.  Most places who list parts for them list them as a "H.D.
> Jetatway."  As for kicking down,  see if you can tell me if it kicks down
> if you're going 25-40 mph and punch it to the floor.  My car is already
> pretty fast, but if it would kick down...hold on!

I have the same tranny, and it kicks down when you floor it at any speed
up to 55 mph. Above that, you're out of luck. The kickdown is controlled
by a switch mounted on the accelerator pedal linkage. The switch may be
bad, or just out of adjustment. With the engine off, depress the pedal
with your hand and see if the linkage causes the switch plunger to depress.

Interesting side note: my '64 Buick had a 2-speed auto (a ST-300, not a
Jetaway, I know) and it not only had the switch-pitch converter that the
'68 Jetaway lacks (too bad, they worked great) plus, it would kick down
into low up to about 70 mph. Great fun.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:22:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Dashboard

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Patrick Rose wrote:

> How do I restore my cracked and faded dash to its original splendor?

While there are repair kits I've seen in the JC Whitney catalog and
elsewhere, I really think your best bet would be to get a replacement
dash pad from a parts car. If the color is wrong, you can dye it with
vinyl paint. An alternative would be to get your original pad recoated by
Just Dashes out in California, but I hear that is an expensive proposition.

If the cracks are in the plastic around the knobs, glovebox door, etc.,
again I think your best option is a parts car and painting them to match.
I've seen cars done with the correct vinyl paint and it is extremely hard
to tell them from the original.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 17:15:07 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Lansing Pictures

Hey Olds fans!  I have a page of pictures from Lansing up on the web.  It
is at http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html

I wasn't smart enough to bring a camera, but Greg B. was!  These are his
pictures, which he graciously has shared with us.  My brother scanned them,
so I didn't have any control over quality.  I think they look pretty good,
though.  Enjoy!
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:22:30 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: '66 88 engine hc or lc?

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Ed: yes they are interchangeable but in mirror form. you should look face to 
the
firewall. Have you read my other mail?

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De:Edward J. Hufnagel [SMTP:ejhufnagel@juno.com]
Enviado el:Martes 4 de Noviembre de 1997 10:15
Para:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:Re: '66 88 engine hc or lc?




>I believe the stamping on the front of the RH cylinder head would
>reveal the
>inner nature of the motor. All is revealed... all is revealed... in
>the
>illustrious... FAQ
>
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca
>[Lansing, MI]
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>


      I have been to the FAQ and checked according to it, but, alas, the
pad at the front of the right head is as bare and smooth as a newborn
baby's a**. Apparently a head job (at minimum) was done at one time in
the life of this beast. Are the heads interchangable between left and
right sides? Maybe they were crossed when reasembled?


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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 19:27:04 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: [none]

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Can anoybody help me suggesting a reliable tire supplier (white band) better if
they can ship abroad.

Thanks

Raul
1966 Delta 88
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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 17:38:37 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

DCM is shorthand for Dark Cherry Metallic, arguably the prettiest color the
Impala SS's came in. Other non-black color is GGM, or Gray Green Metallic.

Peter Sliskovich
CoupeKing

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:03:04 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re:

Raul Martinez wrote:
>
>         Can anoybody help me suggesting a reliable tire supplier (white band)
better if they can ship abroad. > >         Thanks > >         Raul >
1966 Delta 88 > Raul,
  Check out The Tire Rack.  (http://www.tirerack.com)  Ordered four
tires from them and had them installed locally.  I was very pleased with
their service.  Usual disclaimers apply....
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:04:35 -0500
From: JLABAY <JLABAY@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> Steve Ochs has a 96 DCM Impala SS.  What does DCM mean?  I have never heard
> of this.  Is Jason Labays car DCM?  Sorry about Non-Olds, but you guys are
> my only source of info!  :)


Yeah I have a DCM also. Stands for Dark Cherry Metallic. or could stand
for Definitely Can't Miss the car is so big :-)

>  I like getting info on ALL cool cars!

Yeah it is a cool car even if it isn't an Olds :-)

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 DCM Impala SS  14.66 @ 95.5 and weighs 4400lbs
80 Olds 442 W-30 (for sale)
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 (for sale)

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 18:31:27 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: tire supplier

Check out  "Coker Tire"

800-251-6336

They have a wide selection of tire and wheels.  "Model A" through current.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.
web site:  http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 16:48:49 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: tire supplier

At 06:31 PM 11/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Check out  "Coker Tire"
>They have a wide selection of tire and wheels.  "Model A" through current.

Speaking of Coker Tire, has anyone ever bought any SSI wheels from them?
I'm considering the purchase of some since they make them in 15" sizes and
was wondering about the quality of them and anything else I might want to
know.  Also, are there any other companies out there that repro these in
15" sizes?

Thanks much,

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:30:24 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tire Size

At 05:05 PM 11/4/97 +0000, you wrote:
>At 07:49 AM 11/4/97 -0600, you wrote:
>>I know this has probably been asked, but I never saw the reply.
>>
>>I have a 1985 Cutlass Supreme, I wish to put larger tires on, but I am
>>not sure if I should keep the stock 14 in rims, or should I find the 15
>>in wheels from the B-Cars and go with those wire caps and larger tires.
>>Or the 70's 15in Rally wheels.  I just want better handling, and I don't
>>know if the 14's are really the best for that.  This is still a daily
>>driver, so I can't afford to go with NOS rims or something.  No
>>aftermarket.  Want to keep it looking stock.
>>
>>Did the 80's 442's come with 15's?  I would suspect 215 65 R15's, as GM
>>was rather find of them those years (GN and Monte SS).
>>
>>I would like to put a 225 to 245's on just for the looks and improved
>>handling.  I still want to keep it as short as the factory tire, for the
>>speedo and the 2.14 gears sake.  (Don't need to make 2.14's WORSE!)
>>Stock size was 195 75 R14.  It has 205 75 R14 now, and it looks better
>>with them.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>Thomas Martin
>>85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
>>
>

Thomas,


Hello,   I am running 245/60r 15's on the rear of my 86 Cutlass. I have no
problem with tire clearence.  I have them on SSII  wheels. It has more
traction than it did with the 14's.


Clarence
86 Cutlass Supreme 4dr, 307 o/d

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 20:21:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: firewall markings

     I'm hoping some of the members of this list can answer a question for
me.  Have any of you ever noticed the letters and numbers rubber stamped on
the fire walls of 70-72 cars?  (Some of the earlier cars may have had them
also-my 68 Hurst has none)  I'm wondering what these are all about.  The two
cars I have at home have the following:  72 H/O conv., fully loaded,  has a
blue green stamp that reads WW.  It also has a yellow stamp that reads B6.
 My 72 W-30 convertible (4 speed)  has a blue green stamp that reads L and a
yellow stamp that reads A6.  I have also seen pinkish red stamps as well.

    We have had rubber stamps made to duplicate these and have had some
paints custom mixed to  match the factory colors, and we always replace these
marks on any restorations we do.  The thing is, I don't know what these
stampings represent.  Do any of you know?   If not, I'm thinking about
 collecting data on  50 to 100 cars to see if we can figure this out.  I
suspect the alphanumeric stampings represent some type of time/date code, and
the others are perhaps option codes of some type.  Surely, the 500 or so
members of this list could figure this out if some one doesn't already know.
 Any thoughts?  Thanks in advance.

Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,
Steve Kenny
Brothers Automotive Products

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:30:47 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Hubcaps

John Pajak wrote:

> ---Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net> wrote:
> And their reasonably priced.

Well, that was embarassing!  Should have read "And they're reasonably
priced."  Proofreader had the night off.

> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> I didn't know 225/14 were still available.......Thanks! I might give
> them a try if all else fails.

Let me know, I may be able to get you a discount.  My tire distributor
had something like 50 of them in stock back in March.  I think I paid
something like $30-35 a piece.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:37:33 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Good School

From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Organization: CS Major, Virginia Tech
              ^^^^^^^^

Hey Jason,
Virginia Tech sounds like my kinda school!
They have a major for Cutlass Supremes!!!
Are you minoring in Toronados? ;-)
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:51:12 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Hey Olds fans!  I have a page of pictures from Lansing up on the web.  It
> is at http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html

Wow!  There's a picture on there of Everett's '61 Starfire, with the top
up, showing that stripe on the side!  Is that piping on the edge of the
top, or is it above the piping.  What color is that thing, Platinum Mist
or Twilight Mist.  Looks a little purple on my monitor.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:18:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

On Tue, 4 Nov 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html
>
> Wow!  There's a picture on there of Everett's '61 Starfire, with the top
> up, showing that stripe on the side!  Is that piping on the edge of the
> top, or is it above the piping.  What color is that thing, Platinum Mist
> or Twilight Mist.  Looks a little purple on my monitor.

Yeah, wish I had known about that feature back then, I would have taken a
close up of it! But you can definitely see the stripe on the top that was
talked about a few weeks ago.

Thanks to Jason for taking this project on and making those pics
available. I only wish I had taken notes while I was taking the pics.
It's embarassing to be unsure of some of the names of folks right now, 2
months after the event...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:24:33 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 W30

> I just looked at a 71 W30

.
Gee your lucky to find one

>My question is did Olds make any 71 W30's with air conditioning and power
disc
> brakes?

Yes they did


I
> what about a 71 any certain way to tell, the vin code does have an "M" in
> the right place but what else?

Well Al it is difficult to garentee a W-30 in 71 but i will tell you what I
would look for
- - 455 - Block code 396021-F
- - H heads code 409160
- - Aluminum intake with "W-455" on it code 407570
- - Red inner fender Wells
- - 4 row rad
- - Ram Air hood
- - OW transmission
- - Carb ª 7041257 Auto or 7041256 Standard
- - W - Z manifolds
- - Distributor ª 1112034 or 1112036
- - 3.23 Gears or better

If these things are there this only tells you the drive train is W-30 but
not many would go to this lenght to fool you


Just trying to help
Robert Schinkel

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 97 21:29:52 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Need a part or two...

For my 87' Custom Cruiser:

I am looking for a hood emblem, any Eighty Eights from the mid-eighties
will do. I want one in very good condition with all four red reflectors
intact.

Also need a non cracked cover for the wiper motor... all the yards I go
to the darn things are busted or missing, probly need to buy a new one.

76' was the last year for the big motor in a wagon, when was the last
year for true dual exhaust and to the point, the last year for the dual
hump crossmember? I want to put duals on the 455 and would like to see
how well the early crossmember fits the newer car...

Please reply via my E-Mail,
Thanks,
Mike


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 22:04:16 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Police Pursuit Vehicle

Hey everybody.  I rode in a friends Olds tonight.  It was a 1990 Cutlass
Ciera, supposedly equipped with "Police Pursuit" stuff.  My friend said he
bought it from a rental car place and it was rented to out-of-town
detectives and officers.  All he said was "acceleration is top of the
line".  He knows nothing about the workings of cars, so this could be
interpreted in a number of ways.  Was such a vehicle produced?  I asked if
it had a 3.8 liter V6.  He said it was a 2.8 liter.  It did have quite a
kick.  We out-cornered and then out-ran an early nineties Accord.  There
were four of us in the Olds and only two in the Honda.  I was impressed.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:04:49 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: firewall markings

No markings on my '67 or '69.
PS

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 21:56:39 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: Sams PhotoFact ?

>The PhotoFact set is the schematics, alignment procedures, and circuit
>board layout that is used to repair the radio. I have the ones for the
>1970 and 1971 radios. The sets are listed by model number and year. What
>model number and year are you looking for?  I have a source that I can
>check to see if they have them.
>
>Bobby

Can't find a model number on the radio.  In the service manual the radio
is refered
to as a AM-FM Wonder Bar.  In the options and accessories booklet the
radio is listed
as a AM-FM Signal-Seeker Tuning Radio.  How can I find out the model
number is.
This is for a 69 442 but I am sure they had this radio in 70 and 71.

Thanks,
Clay

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:00:41 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: Fisher Body & Shop Manuals

Kirt,

Let me know how and how much to send for a 69 Fisher Body Manual for a
Olds.  Unable to send directly to your E-mail address.

Thanks,
Clay Merenuk
CM_HAWK@Juno.com

On Sun, 02 Nov 1997 19:41:54 -0500 Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
writes:
>Came accross a number of body and shop manuals.  All of them are
>originals.
>If you're interested in them, e-mail me directly.
>
>1967 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>1969 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>1973 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>1974 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>1975 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>1983 Fisher Body Manual        $20
>
>1955 Oldsmobile Shop Manual    $35
>1969 Buick Shop Manual         $25
>
>The above prices DO NOT include shipping.
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:28:58 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Olds manuals

For those looking for manuals I suggest checking with SpeedWay Motorbooks.
Someone posted their ad here from usenet a month or two ago and I purchased
a Service manual and Body manual from them and was very pleased.. I highly
reccomend them.  Their e-mail address is komet@primenet.com.  Usual
disclaimer, I'm not affiliated or anything, was just pleased with their
service.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:28:28 -0500
From: "Robert Whitaker" <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: firewall markings

My 69 H/O has a single blue green W on the firewall.


Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:21:50 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Good School

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
> Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Organization: CS Major, Virginia Tech
>               ^^^^^^^^
>
> Hey Jason,
> Virginia Tech sounds like my kinda school!
> They have a major for Cutlass Supremes!!!
> Are you minoring in Toronados? ;-)

Didn't think of it that way!  How 'bout this:

Majoring in computer science, minoring in rocket science!  Ha ha.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 10:57:25 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: vacuum switches for a 70 Cutlass

Hey folks,
I need the vacuum switches for a 70 supreme hvac system, anybody know if I
can buy these new? Where? Also I need the wiring harness for the a/c under
the hood....theres not one in the junque yards here.
                                         Thank you,
                                         Eric Phillips

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 23:31:09 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 11:10 PM 11/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
Shayne

        Just as a guess, I'd put it at about $250 dollars. That should be
worst case. Give me your address and I can get closer.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts


Jim,
>
>Where are u located? and how much would you estimate it would cost to ship
>the engine to Canada? (Alberta to be exact)?
>
>Shayne Horn
>1970 Rallye 350
>1985 442
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:32:10 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

I liked those pictures.  Especially the engine shots.  Man oh man you
could literally
eat off these engines!  How clean!  I am a little ashamed of how mine
look.

BTW none of the guys pictured look like how I imagined them to be.  Oh
well....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:40:53 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: dash stuff

I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
them.

Any ideas?

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:37:39 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts

I'll be needing front springs for my '64 -wondering about contacting Moog
direct.  I prefer quality at a slightly higher price over generic.  Keep me
posted - the VC needs the front suspension redone (after the motor).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:40:43 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts

>Count me in for a set of polygraphite so long as they don't squeak and are
>not wildly pricey.  Lisa too with her 67 ought to be a candidate.

This is the only car I don't need front end parts for but I want to be
informed for "when" the day arrives!  Plus I'll nag someone to carry them
just for fun.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 20:44:17 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Starfire Available

Got this note off my web page - reply directly to him (non-list member) @
kmonson@thequest.net

Just passing info along .....don't know em, etc (disclaimers abound).  The
car is located in Grand Forks ND.

I found a 63 or 64 Starfire in a barn on some property I just
purchased.  I would like to find someone who would appreciate it.  It seems
to be in fair or good condition - headliner has been replaced and the
windshield cracked.
> : I don't have time to see if it runs.
> : Email me if you are interested.
>

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 22:59:57 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '66 88 engine hc or lc?

Yes, they can be crossed.  Use a mirror, check the back of the driver's
side. (reading backwards, of course)
- ----------
> From: Edward J. Hufnagel <ejhufnagel@juno.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '66 88 engine hc or lc?
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 8:15 AM
>       I have been to the FAQ and checked according to it, but, alas, the
> pad at the front of the right head is as bare and smooth as a newborn
> baby's a**. Apparently a head job (at minimum) was done at one time in
> the life of this beast. Are the heads interchangable between left and
> right sides? Maybe they were crossed when reasembled?

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:36:08 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

Hey Tony- I'm a closet big car admirer also.  Tell me about your '65
Jetstar 88 with the 4-speed.


Kurt     W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 JetStar 1  4-speed                 '70 Toronado GT W-34  4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L69   '90 Trofeo


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> From: Tony Waldner <tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 11:30 PM
>
> Steve Ochs has a 96 DCM Impala SS.  What does DCM mean?  I have never
heard
> of this.  Is Jason Labays car DCM?  Sorry about Non-Olds, but you guys
are
> my only source of info!  :)
>  I like getting info on ALL cool cars!
>
> Thanks....
> Tony
>
> 70 442 W-30
> 70 Toro GT W-34
> 65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
> 85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
> 92 Seville STS
>
> And some cool Olds powered boats!
>

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:06:28 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

Do you mean the bead around the top edges of the dash, if so I have lots

E me direct if interested

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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> From: Clarence R. Isaacks II <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile bulletin board <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.CA>
> Subject: dash stuff
> Date: Tuesday, November 04, 1997 11:40 PM
>
> I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
> Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
> them.
>
> Any ideas?

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:24:36 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

Fusick's carries these.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 04 Nov 1997 21:24:01 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

If UPS goes there, they'll make it size & weight wise if you ship
separately.  I just shipped a 3rd seat out of a VC - weighing in at 70 lbs
(their limit!) - ground (within US) for $27.19


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:52:40 -0500 (EST)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

In a message dated 97-11-01 18:51:39 EST, you write:

<< After I find some extra money I would like to do the same.  I
 was going to have the brackets fabricated at a machine shop my company
 deals with.  I love the supercharger noise.  Call Summit and tell them
 to get on March to make some pulleys for Olds, if they hear it enough
 they might do it.  I was planning on using a Paxton.  I have also
 recently seen an electric supercharger for $1500 - that should be real
 easy to hook up.  I have not heard any reviews on this. Only if it makes
 that beautiful noise.
 Luke 71 442 >>
 Luke im not sure if you know but the paxtons are real quiet. I have one and
so does my brother you barley hear them. Only if the rev's get up to about
3500 does it start to whine,and by that time the car is so loud you dont hear
it. I think the only way to get it to make that cool sound is if you changed
the belts to cog belts, which would mean having pullies made. $$$$. Joe

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Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 23:14:32 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>At 11:10 PM 11/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Shayne
>
>        Just as a guess, I'd put it at about $250 dollars. That should be
>worst case. Give me your address and I can get closer.
>
>Jim Chermack
>C&M Classic Parts
>
>
>Located in Leduc, Alberta, Canada. 20mins away from Edmonton. I just want
to get an estimate on how much it would cost to ship it.

Shayne Horn

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 01:06:35 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Toro obtained

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> Shagged the 77 Toro Sunday... learned a few things.
> The 403 can make front tire smoke.
> It helps to have wet tires, and be going uphill.
> Toros get great traction in mud.
> Especially if the tires are half flat.
> They do GREAT donuts- in reverse.
> The 6-yr-old has a riot steering while we do the above.
> Half-flat tires tend to come off the rim.
> That does not prevent a Toro from continuing, though it shakes a lot.

Even though this kinda stuff is a blast to do, I have to ask you this
question...why in hell are you abusing a Toro?!?  Sure, it *can* take
the abuse, but it's an insult to Olds...from now on, use a FORD! (That
is unless you were *trying* to kill the car...)

But, if the car is dying, and you were trying to kill it, you'll have to
try a lot harder.  Try a few 'neutral drops', which is exactly like it
sounds...rev it up to redline, and shift into gear (reverse works best;
lower gearing = higher torque).  If thirty of forty of those don't do
the trick, try doing it with the parking brake on...

S. Dave Ward

P.S.--Did you get any of Sunday's off-road experience on tape?  I'd
kinda like to see that...

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:30:45 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> Steve Ochs has a 96 DCM Impala SS.  What does DCM mean?  I have never heard
> of this.  Is Jason Labays car DCM?  Sorry about Non-Olds, but you guys are
> my only source of info!  :)
>  I like getting info on ALL cool cars!
>
> Thanks....
> Tony
>
> 70 442 W-30
> 70 Toro GT W-34
> 65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
> 85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
> 92 Seville STS
>
> And some cool Olds powered boats!

G'day Olds fans!!

This probably isn't the answer you're looking for (in fact I'm sure it
isn't) but in Australia, the term 'DCM' is used quite frequently. For
example, if you get a DCM notice at work, you're in trouble.....

Here's why....

DCM stands for 'Don't Come Monday!!!'

In other words, "You're Fired!!!"

Glen Camenzuli
1973 Buick Electra Limited 455
1958 Buick Roadmaster 364

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 04:56:37 -0500 (EST)
From: DDMRACER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

In a message dated 97-11-04 07:08:49 EST, Mikeytvb@aol.com writes:

<< In a message dated 97-11-03 05:04:39 EST, you write:

 > thats the only kind of 650 Holley makes


 not true,  i have a 650 vacuum secondary.  it's a hell of a carb.  most guys
 like 2 shooters, but i like only one.  it is more fuel efficient and with a
 little spring work you'll never know the difference.
 mikey tvb@aol.com >>

mikey, i've been wrong before-----but not this time i dont think----- not
to say you dont have  a vacuum secondary, i just dont think it's a 650.
a 600 maybe or even a 750, but NOT a 650. Holley makes two 650 cfm
carbs and they're both double pumpers. but then i maybe wrong. if i
am, call Holley and tell them they screwed up all their catalogs and
their web page at http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Carb/Carb.html

later
duane
ddmracer@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 07:18:57 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

Clarence R. Isaacks II wrote:
>
> I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
> Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
> them.

If you're talking about the rounded chrome piece that goes all the way
around the dash, Year One does have it.  p/n 31289N  "dashboard chrome
trim"  $29.00

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 08:46:52 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Sams PhotoFact ?

On Tuesday, November 04, 1997 9:57 PM, cm_hawk@juno.com
[SMTP:cm_hawk@juno.com] wrote:
> >The PhotoFact set is the schematics, alignment procedures, and
circuit
> >board layout that is used to repair the radio. I have the ones for
the
> >1970 and 1971 radios. The sets are listed by model number and year.
What
> >model number and year are you looking for?  I have a source that I
can
> >check to see if they have them.
> >
> >Bobby
>
> Can't find a model number on the radio.  In the service manual the
radio
> is refered
> to as a AM-FM Wonder Bar.  In the options and accessories booklet the
> radio is listed
> as a AM-FM Signal-Seeker Tuning Radio.  How can I find out the model
> number is.
> This is for a 69 442 but I am sure they had this radio in 70 and 71.
>
> Thanks,
> Clay
OK Clay, I know which radio you have. It is the Wonder Bar radio that is
in the Toronado's. I am not sure if you could get it in the 442 in 69.
Someone that has more information on 69's or Toronado's might know. (
Here is a link to the Toronado List FAQ that has a little information on
your radio.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/mfwon.htm

Here is there homepage:

http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

These are the model numbers that are listed for the 69 year. The moder
number is located on the radio some place, sometime it is a paper
sticker and may not be there.

93AFM1/M2 69 F-85
93AFP1 (7307863) 69 F-85
93APB1 69 F-85
93BFM1/M2 69 OLDS
93BFW1 (7307313) 69 Olds
93BFW2 (7307313) 69 1/2 OLDS
93BPB1/2 (7307303) 69
93BT411 69 F-85, OLDS
93BT412 69 1/2 F-85, OLDS

93EPMA1/MA2 69 TORONADO W/AC
93EFMH1/MH2 69 TORONADO W/HTR 69 TORONADO
93EFW2 (7307813) 69 1/2 TORONADO
93EPB1 (7308203) 69 TORONADO
93ET411 69 TORONADO
93ET412 69 1/2 TORONADO

I will go look at lunch and see if I can find the PhotoFact set for your
radio. I should be able to get close to the one you need.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:20:14 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: 8 track tape player price?

Hi all,
   I am interested in getting some information as to what is a good or
fair price for an 8 track tape player. I am looking at one for my 70 W31
and the player I am looking at is in excellent conditon and works good.
What would be a fair price?

Thanks,
Tom Williams
70 W31

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 07:01:13 -0800
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: Chromeplating..Holiday special

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