
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, November 25 1997      Volume 01 : Number 970



Olds Club in Southern CA.?
solid body '70 - '72 cutlass
Olds 445 cams.
RE: Vin decode please
Re: New Guy on the list 
gold stripe
RE: breather elements
Re: 350 in '87 Cutlass
Radio Needs
Re: Power doors
Re: Power doors
Re: 455 Cams
Re: Olds 445 cams.
Re: Door Locks
Re[2]: Power doors
Re: New Guy on the list 
ADMIN: Enough Already!!!
Re: tranny question
70 442 for sale
Re[2]: Door Locks
Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?
Re: Oil Pan
Re: Reponse/brent
Re: Olds 445 cams.
Re: gold stripe
Re: 70 442 for sale
Re: '65 400 Engine
Re: Oil Pan
Re: gold stripe
Vin 9 Accelerator switch
Air cleaner lid
Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s
Re: Door Locks
Re: 70 442 for sale
Re: partsvoice
Re: Air cleaner lid
Re: PARTS: New Items
Re: Reponse
Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s
Re: 70 442 for sale
Re: Idiot lights (used to be '72 guages)
Re: Vin 9 Accelerator switch
Full-Sizer Stuff
Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?
Re: Door Locks
Re: mod 57 @ centennial
Re: ADMIN: Enough Already!!!
Re: Full-Sizer Stuff
Re: Full-Sizer Stuff
Wanted: 69 Cutlass Conv Interior
Re: Door Locks
Re: Minor Things
Re: remove from subscription
307->409
Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads are not cool
Re: Olds 455 cams.
Re: quad 4 experiences
Re: Header recommendations
Re: JWO...
Re: Winter Project Dreams
meyers misfiring q4
Re:Oldsmobiles Available
Re: 70 SX Cutlass
Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?
Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass
Re: JWO...
Re: SOAPBOX! (ADMIN: Enough Already!!!)
68 olds 442
Re: Race to the finish --> 60 Olds vs 80 Rover
Re: JWO...
Re: SOAPBOX! (ADMIN: Enough Already!!!)
Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:27:14 -0800
From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

I've just returned from Okinawa and am getting ready to start working on
my 68 442 again and am looking for an Olds Club that is near Tustin,
CA.  Anyone know of one?

Also, I need to have a little exhaust work done, (I am removing the
headers and putting the stock manifolds back on) and I will need pipes
from the manifolds back to the mufflers.  I would prefer aluminized
pipes.  Are there any muffler shops in the So Cal area that do good
work?

Thanks again!

Chris Miller
'68 442

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:24:51 -0800 (PST)
From: David Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass

I am looking for a non-running solid '70 to '72
Cutlass. Please contact me direct at dlwels@yahoo.com.



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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 09:42:40 -0800
From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: Olds 445 cams.

I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam
it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to
high!  Does anyone have a good cam that they would recommend?  I have
thought about getting one of the W-30 cams from Year One but I don't
know just how good they are.  I am going to be replacing the Torker
intake and putting a Performer intake on it, and replacing the Holley
4011 with a Quadrajet.  I think the new CA. emission laws will allow a
Performer intake, I hope.  The car has 3.91 gears and is a manual
transmission.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Chris Miller
'68 442

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:53:39 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Vin decode please

I happened to get to a salvage yard today and there was a 1975 Delta 88
there.  I was checking out the engine but due to alot of grease buildup
I
couldn't see any identifying numbers.  I was able to jot down the vin #. 
So I was hoping someone could tell me what engine is supposed to be in
this
car.  I don't think it's a 455 but I'm hoping it is.

Here's the Vin 3N39KF140718.
Thanks for the input.
Bill Reilly
- -- 
Bill,
Big blocks, regardless of CID and year, will have a raised rib on the
left side of the timing chain shelf (where the casting number and ID
are). Small block Olds are completely flat, with no intersecting rib.
The intake will also measure somewhere in the 14" range, as opposed to
12" for the SBO.
I don't know about the VIN, but I'm sure someone will!
- ----------
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:48:00 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Guy on the list 

hey man, those are some pretty nice cars.  i am also new to the list so i
thought id just introduce myself also.  well, i drive a '78 olds cutlass
supreme, mom drives an '84 ninety-eight,(but she wants a new LSS.) and we
also have 2 show cars, wich are 2 '67 olds 442s.  one is a crystal blue on
blue hard top original to the last bolt almost, (they bought it new) and the
other is the project car for the past 10 years.  its a saffron yellow on
yellow convertible with a 455 and 2004r overdrive tranny.  that 455 is a
blast to drive, it chirps third gear great with 3.08:1 gears!!  but anyways,
its nice to be on an all olds mailing list, finally.  

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:56:13 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: gold stripe

If anyone has information on where i can get the gold stripe for an 89 
calais.  It is the driver side front fender strip.  went to the dealer 
with no luck from them because of the rarity of the car.  Any info at all 
would be great.  thanks.  

happy oldsmobiling!

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:07:56 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: breather elements

Make sure there is vacuum at the PCV valve! On engines with a lot of
blowby, the passage at the base of the carb/throttle body can become
partly or completely clogged, defeating the PCV system and forcing the
blowby somewhere else. You might want to replace the PCV hose as well.
If it is unusually soft, it could be collapsing partially, thus
defeating part of the PCV's ability.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:07:28 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350 in '87 Cutlass

i recently swapped out my 260 v8 olds engine for a '72 olds 350 out of a
delta 88.  i rebuilt it with new 9.0:1 pistons, edelbrock intake and cam,
toro oil pan, windage trays, bosch platinums, rebuilt quadrajet, and a bunch
of other goodies i cant think of now, but it runs great.  thing is, i have
absolutely horrible gearing.  try 2.29:1 gears on for size!!!!  i would swap
them in order of 3.23 or something, but im driving about 500 miles a week.
 so what im doing now is looking for a 2004r tranny to rebuild, and i really
need one of those 8 1/2" rears out of a '86- '87 442.  they came with 3.73s
so that would be great.  i also heard of swapping a early model rear into a
late model g-body pretty easy.  i have a '67 posi with 2.70 something gears
so i might also look into that. 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:14:42 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Radio Needs

I am looking (with $$ in mind) to replace my AM only radio with the AM/FM
model for my '64 Dynamic 88.  I am not looking for one that is a new digital
radio designed to fit, but one of the original ones.  If someone has a
working one, please let me know.

Thanks,

G


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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:23:50 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Power doors

Is it possible to put a power lock into a car (68 442) that didn't
have one originally?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 11:40:08 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Power doors

Most alarms can add power lock actuators and power window actuators when it
used to be manual.  I had them added to a non-olds last year, and will have
it done to my 64 Dynamic 88.  Still contemplating the windows though.

G



At 10:23 AM 11/24/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Is it possible to put a power lock into a car (68 442) that didn't
>have one originally?
>
>Chris Sparks
>
>
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:54:58 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 455 Cams

If you don't like the Comp Cams 292, you probably won't like a W-30 cam
either.  At the present time I am running the .474 lift/320 degree W-30
cam in my car.  It makes power from 3000 rpm up to 5500, but the bottom
end is soft.  With the single plane intake it is a little contrary to
drive around town.  I have to idle about 1200 rpms to maintain vacuum
for the brakes.  Try a cam in the 270 to 280 degree range with the lift
below .500.  Those old W cams are obsolete by todays standards.  They
sound great at the drive-in, but don't perform like modern grinds.  The
next engine I build will get a modern cam, be more driveable, and make
more power.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:49:02 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 445 cams.

I use Mondello's JM20-22 camshaft in my 9.75;1 455+.030 with a performer
and an automatic and it works flawlessly, it pulls HARD from idle to 5000
RPM, sounds tuff and pulls good vucuum at about 800RPM. I'll try to
remember to bring the specs in tomorrow or maybe someone has a Mondello
catalog handy to show you.
babbott@pdnt

- ----------
> From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
> To: Olds E-mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Olds 445 cams.
> Date: Monday, November 24, 1997 11:42 AM
> 
> I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam
> it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to
> high!  Does anyone have a good cam that they would recommend?  I have
> thought about getting one of the W-30 cams from Year One but I don't
> know just how good they are.  I am going to be replacing the Torker
> intake and putting a Performer intake on it, and replacing the Holley
> 4011 with a Quadrajet.  I think the new CA. emission laws will allow a
> Performer intake, I hope.  The car has 3.91 gears and is a manual
> transmission.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
> 
> Chris Miller
> '68 442

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:46:38 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Door Locks

> Locks can also be re-keyed, but you'll need to have this done by a
locksmith.

Not necessarily; I've stood and watched as the Olds dealer mechanic
pulled out his official GM Key Lock Service Kit (Pat. Pend. :-) and
rekeyed a lock cylinder for me. They have all the parts to do the job at
the dealership, although I find there tends to be only one mechanic
designated for doing fiddly lock work, and if he's off sick or out to
lunch, you're stuck.

The local locksmith probably uses much the same kit, but I wouldn't want
him blundering around trying to figure out how to open up the door
panels and such on my car without damaging something. He's probably just
as much an expert on the lock itself as the dealer guy (I have no idea
who would be cheaper), but if I wasn't the one who would be removing and
installing the lock(s) in the car, I think I would rather have the
dealer doing the disassembly.
- --
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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 14:56:01 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Power doors

Is it possible to put a power lock into a car (68 442) that didn't 
have one originally?
     
Chris Sparks
     
     Sure.  The only question is:  "How original do you want to be?"  The 
     60's Oldses used vacuum power locks, while the later cars used 
     solenoids.  If you want to be 100% original and can find the vacuum 
     locks (read:  $$$), they'll bolt in.  If you want to be a little more 
     practical (no one will ever look into your doors to check) get an 
     aftermarket power lock kit for less than $100.  This will probably 
     require some fabrication of bracketry and the wires will need to be 
     run into the doors, but it is probably the lowest-cost solution.  In 
     addition, you can buy kits with the factory-style key fob remote 
     control.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:56:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the list 

> hey man, those are some pretty nice cars.  i am also new to the list so i
> thought id just introduce myself also.  well, i drive a '78 olds cutlass

Ah, another '78 lover!  Welcome to the list from all of us!

8)
peg
1978 Cutlass Calais (Red Mine)
1986 Cutlass Supreme (Grey Mine)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:06:38 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Enough Already!!!

One last warning gang: do NOT subject this list to personal disagreements 
or "my car is better/faster/whatever" arguments!

Personal disagreements are just that -- personal. We do not need to hear 
about them, even if they started due to something inappropriate or unwise 
originally posted here.

Further incidents of this type will be dealt with by removing the 
offending parties from the list.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:15:44 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: tranny question

Beverley Horn wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
>  I have a question for anyone out there. I have a 1970 Rallye 350. It has a
> Hurst 4-speed wide ratio transmission. I was wondering what the difference
> is between "Wide Ratio" and "Close ratio" 4-speed transmissions? Which is
> better Wide or Close?
> 
> Shayne Horn
> '70 Rallye350
> '85 442

Okay, it's obviously a MUNCIE 4 spd, not a Hurst because they make
shifters only. =) And the difference between a close ratio and wide
ratio is simply the gear ratios. The M21, or close ratio, is supposed to
be used for lower gears (higher numerically) and the wide ratio is
visa-versa. Like, if you're sportin' a 3.08 gear, you'll want the M20
(wide ratio), but if you've got say a 3.73 or 3.90, you'll want the M21.
The close ratio 4spd is just that, the gear ratios are closer to each
other (for racing purposes).

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 12:25:23 -0800
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: 70 442 for sale

I'll make this brief...
My pride and joy is for sale.  It's finished, form top to toe.  I was at
the GoodGuy's in Pleasenton not too long ago.  Recieved several
comments.  It's selling for $11,500.  Anyone seriously interested,
please e-mail me at bodog@napanet.net for the low-down on this awesome
automobile.
Thanks
70 442 (For Sale)
Brad

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 15:25:59 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Door Locks

Andy Green noted:

..The local locksmith probably uses much the same kit, but I wouldn't 
want him blundering around trying to figure out how to open up the door 
panels and such on my car without damaging something. He's probably just 
as much an expert on the lock itself as the dealer guy (I have no idea 
who would be cheaper), but if I wasn't the one who would be removing and 
installing the lock(s) in the car, I think I would rather have the 
dealer doing the disassembly...

     Absolutely agreed, however I'd already made the assumption that the 
     owner would disassemble the doors and remove the lock cylinders 
     himself (this based on the original post describing the replacement of 
     the doors which led to this problem in the first place).  Having done 
     this quite a number of times myself, it never occurred to me to have 
     someone else (dealer _or_ locksmith) disassemble the doors.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 10:39:50 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

Chris Miller wrote:

> I've just returned from Okinawa and am getting ready to start working on
> my 68 442 again and am looking for an Olds Club that is near Tustin,
> CA.  Anyone know of one?

Nope.  As you know I live in LA county.  The only one I know of is way
out in
the valley.

> Also, I need to have a little exhaust work done, (I am removing the
> headers and putting the stock manifolds back on) and I will need pipes
> from the manifolds back to the mufflers.  I would prefer aluminized
> pipes.  Are there any muffler shops in the So Cal area that do good
> work?

I go to a place called Ace muffler in Long Beach.  On PCH and Walnut?
The telephone is 562-599-1920.  I have been going here for years.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:07:10 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan

I got another annoying question.  The oil pan on my cutlass has a
>big-a** dent in it, pushing it up.  Is there any way I could take off
>the oil pan without having to raise the engine?  Thanks,

Lower the car...   ;)

No, seriously, there's not enough space between the bottom of the engine
and the crossmember to do it without raising the engine. But, that's not
such a big-deal; just make sure you don't crack your distributor cap while
jacking up the engine.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:06:46 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Reponse/brent

bravo,  the list is not to put down others but to up lift, support, and share
in our common goal,  the preservation of olds,   ALL TYPES OF OLDS!    there
are enough people in the world that would love to put us down for our
interest in olds,  lets not help them by bickering among ourselves.    united
we stand!   (PROUDLY)     steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:59:26 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 445 cams.

> I use Mondello's JM20-22 camshaft in my 9.75;1 455+.030 with a performer
> and an automatic and it works flawlessly, it pulls HARD from idle to 5000
> RPM, sounds tuff and pulls good vucuum at about 800RPM. I'll try to
> remember to bring the specs in tomorrow 

Hey, got the specs for the 20/22 right here.  I use one in my engine
too.  Great cam for mild street, and sounds good at the drive-in too! 
Lift-.496 intake, .512 exhaust, running duration of 266/274, lobe center
of 110 degrees, duration at .050 is 226/230  Intake opens 6 degrees
before TDC, closes 40 degrees past BDC.  Exhaust opens 49 degrees before
BDC, closes 1 degree past TDC.  This cam isn't going to be a bracket
racer type, but will pull pretty good vacuum and idle fairly well.  And
pulls like a mother!  I used to have a 18/20, but it SUCKED!!  Don't
recommend the 18/20.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:13:32 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: gold stripe

Shaun Miller wrote:
> 
> If anyone has information on where i can get the gold stripe for an 89
> calais.  It is the driver side front fender strip.  went to the dealer
> with no luck from them because of the rarity of the car.  Any info at all
> would be great.  thanks.

Try Stencils and Stripes.  Don't have the number handy, but it can be
found in Hemming's or the hot rod type magazines.  They usually have all
kinds of stripes, but because your car may be so few made, they may not
have it. If so, you may be out of luck.  Another place to try is
AutoDecals in Pheonix.  Sorry, don't have their number either, but they
do have a website, I think.  I avoided all that crap and trouble by
ordering 2 complete restripe kits for my 85 442 a LONG time ago.  I
won't worry too much about not having stripes when I need them.  I
learned about doing this years ago, when trying to get a factory rear
bumper for one of my 442s.  I vowed it would not happen to my 85, so
over the years, I've got darn near every replacement part you could ever
get for it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:35:51 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 for sale

Brad,
Can I please have some information on your 442 that you have for sale? Where
are you located?


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1970 Cutlass W31
1970 Rallye 350
Check out my web page at:
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:59:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Bowtie911@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 400 Engine

CoupeKing, would like to purchase that motor, but right now that is not
possible. Will
keep this mail for awhile just in case.
bowtie911

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:54:25 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan

> No, seriously, there's not enough space between the bottom of the engine
> and the crossmember to do it without raising the engine. But, that's not
> such a big-deal; just make sure you don't crack your distributor cap while
> jacking up the engine.

One trick I've done in the past was just to yank out the distributor
altogether to ensure clearance when jacking.  And while you're down
there, check the condition of the rear main seal.  If it needs
replacement, now's the time to do it, with the pan off.  A little
tricky, but it can be and has been done. 

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:17:15 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: gold stripe

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>


>If anyone has information on where i can get the gold stripe for an 89
>calais

If you know the GM part # try http://www.partsvoice.com/ Even if you don't
know the # you can search based on the parts description.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:13:28 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Vin 9 Accelerator switch

Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Black?  Who said it was black?  Under the dash, look at the bracket
above the gas pedal.  There should be a switch with some wires coming
out of it.  This is activated by the gas pedal at WOT to cutout the A/C
compressor.  At least I'm pretty sure about this.  It is on an 85
anyway.<

What exactly does this lookk like???  Is this a Canadian vehicle????
Canadian vehicles have a slightly different control system on some
vehicles.  The only electrical item I can find is a small box located at
the top of the accelerator bracket with wires coming out of it.  It is the
cruise control module.  What color is it????  Thanks,

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:58:50 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Air cleaner lid

Hey there,
	I'm missing the air cleaner lid to my 69 442, and was wondering if they
came on other models?  How about any other GM cars?  Thanks!

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:18:50 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s

At 11:58 AM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
Todd

        That's the reason they cal them idiot lights. By the time they come
on it's usually too late. Most people prefer gauges just for that reason.
They can see a problem starting and have a better reaction to it. I think
everyone here will aggree that if they had a choice they would want gauges
over idiot lights.

Jim Chermack


>I think you're being too conservative. The Olds 71 shop manual says that the
>temp idiot light comes on at 243 deg, which says to me that you can safely
>operating the engine at at least 230 deg all day long.  Of course, the temp
>would depend alot on the temp of the thermostat you're using.
>
>
>>Operating temps should not exceed 195-200 degrees on a very hot day. If they
>>do you have a cooling problem that needs to be addressed.
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 15:23:40 -0800
From: "Christopher D. Wolf" <sliverdigital@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Door Locks

Greetings Fellow Oldsmo-buggy Enthusiax;


	I've got a '67 44Duce Convertible, w\Turbo400 connected to a center
console shifter. I've had the car 2 months now, and Love it completely!

	However, the original louvered 442 hood is in the shop to remove a
"wrinkle" it had, and I drive the baby w\no hood.

	Now in Southern Cal, it RARELY rains. However, about 2 weekes ago, it
did before I could get "Thirsty" under cover.

	So what happened was, the AT cable (from console to tranny) rusted up
and locked on me. Then, before I removed it, I screwed it up further
w\channel-lox & vise-grips.

	Well, I ordered a replacement, (which STILL hasn't arrived), but what
I'm really interested in is replacing it w\a 6-speed ZR-1 'Vette
Stick(if it fits?) or at least some GM 5-speed, or anything that will
give me better gearing options for street\freeway cruisin.  What is the
best manual tranny that would fit? How much are they? Whaere do I get
one? How hard is it to put in? )(I know You gotta' cut a hole in the
floor for the clutch, etc.

	As it is now, I go 0-60 in 2 seconds, but just to keep up on the
freeway, I've gotta rev 4500! It's like the car is saying "Shift!
Shift!, but there's no place to go!!!!!!

	Well, thanks for reading my babling. Thanx for your time.




				Very Truly Yours;



				Christopher D. Wolf

P.S.-See My Baby at:   http://www.skrank.com/thirsty/
- -- 
		Christopher D. Wolf; CEO - Sliver Digital Corporation
		For Appoinments, Quotes, or Support 24-7:
		Vox:(714)855-4362	Vmail:(714)407-6770
		Email:sliverdigital@linkline.com
		Resume Posted at: http://www.recollection.com/mrwolf/

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:27:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Djbrand407@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 for sale

Could you send me more info on your 442.   Options, history, location.
condition, etc

Thanks  Dennis

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:27:28 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: partsvoice

At 01:19 PM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
Karl

        It's Jim Chermack. Here's the number to Parts Voice. 1-800-328-8876
(access code = area code and 88 on the end).

Jim Chermack
 

>Would someone send me directly the info or tel# for partsvoice?
>
>I am desperate to replace the rubber bellows part in my wiper motor. I've got
>it all apart, I just need the new part!
>
>Anyone?
>
>Or if you know of a company that makes these (soooooo disappointed that
>Steele Rubber did not list anything like it).
>
>Thanks
>KarlAune@aol.com
>
>and
>Soylent Ocean Mist
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:25:10 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Air cleaner lid

> Hey there,
>         I'm missing the air cleaner lid to my 69 442, and was wondering if they
> came on other models?  How about any other GM cars?  Thanks!

Yes.  You can pretty much use any Olds 4 bbl air cleaner cover from an
Oldsmobile around the '69 model year. ie, 69,70,71,72 etc.  Just make
sure you paint it orangy/red like the base, stick on a 442 air cleaner
decal, and you're in business.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:30:06 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: New Items

At 07:39 PM 11/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
Jeff

        I have the console door but no hood numbers or guts.

Jim Chermack


>   jim   looking for 4-4-2 letters for 70 hood,  also  colsole door for 70-2
> for 2one of my consoles prefer dark color console now gr may recolor...
>  no 70 rh guts yet?  thanks jeff....
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:38:04 -0800
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: Reponse

> >There wouldnt be a problem with us guys if people like you didnt write
> >smart emails.
> >
> >see you at the finish line
> >
> >
> 
> You are still missing the point. I don't care how fast your car is. I
> don't think anyone does. The reason that I question your age is the fact
> that you won't shut up. You won't take a hint. 


HERE HERE!!!  

I agree completely Brent.  More OLD'S, Less immaturity.
I've really questioned my existence on this list recently
because of all this nonsense.  It seems like I'm back in
high school.  (I'm 33)  If these kind of messages continue,
I will take myself off the list as well.  

Curtis Ratica

'70 Cutlass Supreme Conv (350/4bbl)
'90 Ford Bronco EB (351/FI)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:38:38 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s

At 11:31 PM 11/23/97 -0800, you wrote:
Erik

        They should be the same.

Jim Chermack


>If you could, what would be the readings for a '72 Cutlass S.  It has a
>350 small block.  Thanks.
>
>Erik B.
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 14:47:43 -0800
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 for sale

Brad Bowles wrote:
> 
> I'll make this brief...
> My pride and joy is for sale.  It's finished, form top to toe.  I was at
> the GoodGuy's in Pleasenton not too long ago.  Recieved several
> comments.  It's selling for $11,500.  Anyone seriously interested,
> please e-mail me at bodog@napanet.net for the low-down on this awesome
> automobile.
> Thanks
> 70 442 (For Sale)
> Brad



Hi Brad,

You mentioned you were at GoodGuy's in Pleasanton...  Was there or
are there car shows on occasion?  If so, please keep me posted, I
live in Fremont, (other side of hill from there).  

Thanks...

Curtis

'70 Cutlass Supreme Conv (350/4bbl)
'90 Ford Bronco EB (351/FI)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:41:08 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights (used to be '72 guages)

> <snip> I think
> everyone here will aggree that if they had a choice they would want gauges
> over idiot lights.

Sure, but on the other hand, if they had a light that would alert you to
other "idiots" on the road, I'd vote for that.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:38:07 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Vin 9 Accelerator switch

> What exactly does this lookk like???  Is this a Canadian vehicle????
> Canadian vehicles have a slightly different control system on some
> vehicles.  The only electrical item I can find is a small box located at
> the top of the accelerator bracket with wires coming out of it.  It is the
> cruise control module.  What color is it????  Thanks,

No, my car is not Canadian.  It was built in Arlington.  Good god, you
guys finally made me drag out my tech manual.  That's good though, since
I almost forgot where I put it.  It's on page 1B1-9, "G Series Air
Conditioning," and I quote, 

"G series equipped with the W42 option use a switch located on the
accelerator pedal assembly that opens the circuit to the compressor
clutch during full throttle acceleration.  The A/C compressor throttle
cut-off switch is self adjusting.  However, an initial setting should be
made to obtain correct adjustment as shown in Fig. 15".

Alrighty then.  Figure 15 shows the accelerator pedal, with what looks
EXACTLY like the type of switch used for the kickdown switch on a Turbo
400 trans.  The accelerator pedal upper arm contacts the little round
extention of the switch and moves it back as the upper accelerator pedal
arm moves back.  If someone is REALLY interested in seeing a picture
(drawing in the manual) of this, I will be happy to post it on my web
page.  Mind you, this is a manual covering 85 models, so accessories for
your model year may vary.  I would suspect there may have been a change
in 86 to make this completely ECM controlled, since there were many
"software" changes made for '86.  But, on the other hand, since the
engine/tranny uses the same setpoints/shiftpoints as an 84 H/O, I'll bet
the 84 H/O has this little feature also.  But, then again I'm assuming. 
You know, this manual is pretty cool.  I should read this more
often.......as for the color of the switch, I honestly don't remember,
but MY car DOES have it.  I would think that putting a TH400 in it would
be just that little bit easier with the switch there...nah.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:08:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Full-Sizer Stuff

A couple of weeks ago someone (Mike Hall maybe?) was asking about the 
last year full-size GMs came with a dual exhaust tranny crossmember. As I 
recall the answer was sometime in the mid-70s. No reason to doubt that, 
but tonight I happened to be behind a '96 C*price police car and I 
noticed that it had duals. Dunno if they were true duals but it had 2 
pipes out the back. FWIW...

I was coming back from Wal-Mart at the time (best place around here to 
buy gen-u-wine AC filters) where I checked on an oil filter for the '78 
delta with a 350. To my surprise the filter listed was a PF-45. My '68 
takes a PF-24 so they obviously changed it somewhere along the way. 
Looking at the two side by side the gasket end looks similar but the 45 
is a smaller overall diameter filter so it would seem to have less stuff 
inside. Anyone know if I would do the motor harm if I used the same PF-24 
as on the Cutlass?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:13:37 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

>I've just returned from Okinawa and am getting ready to start working on
>my 68 442 again and am looking for an Olds Club that is near Tustin,
>CA.  Anyone know of one?
>
>Also, I need to have a little exhaust work done, (I am removing the
>headers and putting the stock manifolds back on) and I will need pipes
>from the manifolds back to the mufflers.  I would prefer aluminized
>pipes.  Are there any muffler shops in the So Cal area that do good
>work?
>
>Thanks again!
>
>Call Woody in Long Beach at (909)685-3819.  He is very active in SoCal Olds
Club

 
>
>
>
Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:08:54 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Door Locks

Christopher D. Wolf wrote:

>         As it is now, I go 0-60 in 2 seconds, but just to keep up on the
> freeway, I've gotta rev 4500! It's like the car is saying "Shift!
> Shift!, but there's no place to go!!!!!!

If she had wings, I know she would fly. :-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:45:22 -0500 (EST)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: mod 57 @ centennial

was it painted yellow with flames???? if so i remember seein it in the
oarking lot for the motorcade.

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:53:51 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Enough Already!!!

AGREED !!!! I've read AND deleted so much on this subjuct, my spacebar is
getting worn out !!! Also, I would appreciate it if you people with
private parts exchanges would e-mail directly to the people involved.
It's nice to know what's out there, but I personally don't care about
your personal transactions. Thanks !!!

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Mon, 24 Nov 1997 16:06:38 -0400 (AST) Greg Beaulieu
<ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
>
>One last warning gang: do NOT subject this list to personal 
>disagreements 
>or "my car is better/faster/whatever" arguments!
>(SNIP)
Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, 
>Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:00:51 -0700
From: dana@asicstiger.com
Subject: Re: Full-Sizer Stuff

I could be mistaken about that, but I believe it is still a single exhaust
with two outlets.  Of course, the police package may have true dual exhaust

Dan Anderson
'90 Cutlass Calais IS HO quad4
(single exhaust with 4 exhaust outlets.....)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 17:01:59 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Full-Sizer Stuff

Works just fine.  Most of the later applications call for a PF-45, but I use
a PF-24 where it will fit.  A bit more filtering area and a little more oil
capacity never hurt.  Been using the 24 on both my '84 307 and '77 350, and
the catalog says PF-45 for both.  I used a 45 on the 350 once when they were
out of 24's, and I didn't notice a difference in oil pressure at all.  There
are two metal lines that slightly touch the PF-24 on the 307 (either tranny
cooler or fuel, I don't remember off hand) but it still fits fine.

The best trick someone ever showed me was that on Olds engines where the
filter mounts from underneath, you can fill the filter with oil _before_ you
put it on the engine, drastically reducing the cranking time required to
build oil pressure.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> delta with a 350. To my surprise the filter listed was a PF-45. My '68
> takes a PF-24 so they obviously changed it somewhere along the way.
> Looking at the two side by side the gasket end looks similar but the 45
> is a smaller overall diameter filter so it would seem to have less stuff
> inside. Anyone know if I would do the motor harm if I used the same PF-24
> as on the Cutlass?
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 01:59:33 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Wanted: 69 Cutlass Conv Interior

     I am in need of door panels, rear seat panels, windlace top boot and 
bench seat covers for a 69 Convertible in Off-White , but I could get talked 
into buckets for the right price.
I know that I can get all new components, but if I can get good used  parts, 
I would be interested, particularly the door panels.

Thanks

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:07:31 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Door Locks

i may have a matched set of door locks and ig sw  olds guy atl,ga

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:09:13 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Minor Things

 what are you selling?   where do you live  olds guy.....

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:31:31 -0500 (EST)
From: PSROACH442@aol.com
Subject: Re: remove from subscription

Please remove me from your subscription. I am not finding it worth filling my
E-Mail

thanks   psroach442@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:44:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 307->409

Here's my question and story:
I recently had the misfortune of shattering a piston.  I have the engine
at a place to get rebuilt (I'm spending the extra couple of bucks for
forged pistons this time!).  Tomorrow, I'll be finding out if the cylinder
walls are gouged beyond use.  I hope not!  The engine is a 403 with a .030
overbore already.  If it turns out that the block is unusable, I'll be at
a disadvantage.  My dad happens to have a 307 lying around.  We're
wondering that since the 403 and the 307 are the same block, is it
possible to bore the 307 to the 403 bore and use all the internals from my
403 in it?  Hopefullt my block'll still be cool and I won't have to worry
about any of this. 
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

p.s.  Don't be a fool.  Get good pistons if you're running high
compression!  It's sad to drive an 84 88 to the dragstrip and be a part of
the audience!

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:49:27 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads are not cool

Did Edelbrock forget that some people have small block Olds's too?  I
suppose that there's more of a market for big blocks, but hey, I know at
least one person who'd buy small block heads.  Does anyone know if these
heads can be made to work on a small block (403)?  Does anyone know of any
other companies that make aluminum heads for Olds, other than Batten?
Thakyou!

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 19:52:17 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Re: Olds 455 cams.

     Chris,
     
     I'm using a Crane HMV-272-2-NC cam on my 455 Cutlass.
     
     Lift-.484 intake, .512 exhaust, duration 272/284.  This is a good street 
     cam for use to 5500 RPMs.
     
     Vince Knight
     
     
     
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Olds 445 cams.
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at smtpgate 
Date:    11/24/97 12:41 PM
     
     
I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam 
it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to high! 
 Does anyone have a good cam that they would recommend?  I have thought 
about getting one of the W-30 cams from Year One but I don't know just 
how good they are.  I am going to be replacing the Torker intake and 
putting a Performer intake on it, and replacing the Holley 4011 with a 
Quadrajet.  I think the new CA. emission laws will allow a Performer 
intake, I hope.  The car has 3.91 gears and is a manual transmission.  
Any help is greatly appreciated.
     
Chris Miller
'68 442
     

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:56:44 -0500
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: quad 4 experiences

Don,

Many common problems, but usually not on the same car at less then
60,000 miles!  Late 80s early 90s GM Quality.

Jeff Antonucci
'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:58:10 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: Header recommendations

8 years ago when I put my engine back in I went with Black Jack Headers.
No problems with the frame or clutch clearance.  All I can remember that
I had to do was to have the headers sitting in the car before i dropped
the 
engine back in.

Clay
69 442 Convertible

On Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:07:14 -0700 Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
writes:
>At 08:37 PM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
><snip>
>>Engine compartments are the same.  A 442 drop top can use the same
>>headers.  No problemo.  UNLESS it is a manual trans. on the tree, 
>then
>>it could get tricky.  I put some on a 4 speed 69 W-30 before, and I 
>had
>>no problems.
>>
>>Mike Rothe 
>
>Well, I think if there was an issue it would be from a boxed frame
>standpoint.  Any thoughts?
>
>Tim Rudolph
>trudolph@frii.com
>'69 442 Convertible
>

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:11:40 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: JWO...

What is JWO?

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:15:18 -0600
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Winter Project Dreams

At 09:06 AM 11/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
 One of the things I've
>thought about for awhile is to replace the 2-speed Jetaway with a TH350. 

Say,would you be interested in selling the Jetaway after the first of the 
year?If so,how much?
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 Cutlass

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:28:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: meyers misfiring q4

Meyer, 
At last your worries are almost over.  I checked out your problem of your 
91 calais w41 misfiring.  It looks like mike is right.  What happens is 
that under the "quad 4" cover there is a black housing, called a coil 
housing.  When something in it breaks down, the spark jumps directly to 
the cam cover.  Thus causing the car to misfire.  Here is how to check 
this out ( Im 90% sure this is your problem, its not the coils 
themselves)  
1)  take the quad 4 silver cover off by taking the 4 bolts off but leave 
the wire connected.
2)  flip the cover upside down and put the rear bolts into the rear cam 
(do not tighten just enough so it dosent fall off)
3)  take the spark plug boots off and put a pair of spark plug wires from 
the nipple on the coil housing to the spark plugs ensuring good 
connection. 
4)Start the car up and it should run fine because the coil housing has no 
where else to arc to.  If this is true you can get the coil housing from 
GM for about $80 or a junkyard for $25 or so.  Do not replace the coils 
themselves.
5) if this dosent work out do the same as above but use a test light on 
each individual plug and 1 should make it run the same, 3 run worse.
6) while its apart i would still check out those plugs to be safe.

Good luck with your calais w41 happy oldsmobiling!! always here to help a 
q4 owner.

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition

Ps- thanks all for the info on the gold stripe, if you have #'s at all 
that would help out.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:41:56 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:Oldsmobiles Available

This comes from a fellow digest member - he'll probably reply to you
directly on your questions (I have no idea!)  But if you need someone to
look at that '70 its about 5 min. from my work.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:50:07 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 SX Cutlass

In a message dated 97-11-23 05:52:04 EST, you write:

<< I may be in the process of purchasing a 70 SX Cutlass.  What is the
 value of this car roughly?  It has a straight body, however, could
 stand a paint job.  The bumpers could stand rechroming.  The interior
 is fair to good.  What would be a good buying price for the car?  I
 don't believe it has any rust.  I'll probably give it the scrutinizing
 eye when I meet with the guy selling it.  Let me know...
 
 Chris Sparks >>

Hi Chris -

I love SXs so much that I just sold one and bought one!  I sold my 71 SX and
bought a 70.  The one I sold went for $6000 and the one I bought went for
$9500.  For $6000 my car had a VERY nice, but a bit old, black paint job,
very nice original uphostlery, rebuilt engine, tranny and suspension (about 8
years old).  It has a little rust in the rear quarters, needs rear bumper
rechrome, and the trim mouldings are a little rough.  Its spent about 125,000
miles on the road and is low option.  It won a first place at a local
All-Oldsmobile show with about 60 entrants.  

The one I am buying to replace it has 48,000 miles on it and is pretty much
in mint condition.  It is all original or nos, is numbers matching (except
block, which has correct date code), has the W-32 engine package with rallye
pac and dual-gate shifter and has won Best of Class in an OCA car show.
  These things make it worth the extra $3500 over my previous SX (perhaps
more, I think I'm getting a good deal on it).   Plus, it has the high
compression engine (in 71 the compression dropped from 10.5 to 8.5) which
means a significant increase in torque and power output, not to mention a
handful of subtle tweakings that make it (reputedly) capable of turning mid
13s in the 1/4 mile.  I'll put it on the strip in the Spring and find out.  

These are the two SXs I know.  My guess is that the car you are looking at is
completely unrestored and is worth somewhere in the mid to high $3000 range.
 The cars options and originality will influence this rough figure, for
better or worse.  

My $.02

Tom Simmons

72 Cutlass S
70 SX W-32
65 Cutlass

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 18:47:15 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

I have the address & info on my web page. I'm in Anaheim.

Good to have another So Cal-er on the list.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:51:22 -0800
From: Terrance Bradley <Docolds@Magmacom.com>
Subject: Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass

I have a 71 Cutlass for sale now that i've finished our 70 W-30.
It has almost every option known except cruise.
It pulled second place at the Greensboro Nationals and
a first place at a local Autorama show. The car is clean and needs 
little to finish.
The car is presently stored as always for winter so is safe till 
spring.

E-Mail me at privately at docolds@Magmacom.com
or call me at 1-613-567-9203 after 5 pm est

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:54:39 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: JWO...

Ray wrote:
> 
> What is JWO?
> 
> Ray in the desert
> 87 409 Cutlass

Journey with Olds, a periodic publication sent out to all the members of
the Olds Club of America.  Covers all sorts of stuff about Oldsmobiles. 
Kinda like we do here.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 21:51:23 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SOAPBOX! (ADMIN: Enough Already!!!)

> AGREED !!!! I've read AND deleted so much on this subjuct, my spacebar is
> getting worn out !!! Also, I would appreciate it if you people with
> private parts exchanges would e-mail directly to the people involved.
> It's nice to know what's out there, but I personally don't care about
> your personal transactions. Thanks !!!

Yep.  But you have to admit, it's the passion for Oldsmobiles that keeps
us coming back for more.  I apologize in advance for the bandwidth waste
that's coming up here, so move on if you aren't interested in what I
have to say.

This list reminds me a WHOLE lot of when I used to hang out down at one
of the local garage in my old hometown.  While we weren't cruisin or
working on our Oldses (or whathaveyou, mine was a 69 W-30 4-speed) we
were talking about them.  Just a bunch of car nuts hanging out on a warm
spring night, drinking beverages we probably shouldn't have, and
learning from each other, or just "bench-racing", car-story telling, or
"temp swapping" parts like carbs between our cars to try and realize
performance gains.  All with the smell of oil and gas in the air.  And
somebodies kid brother would always be hangin' around trying to break
into learning about cars.  And as always, the subject would always turn
to something else for a while like, "So and so had the tightest sweater
on in History class today, did you see that?" (sorry ladies, but we were
young) but it would always end up right back to the main subject
though...cars.  And while this is the electronic age, this list allows
me to kind of "go back in time" as it were, and just hang out at the
"electronic garage" and talk about what's on our minds.  I don't have
the time to do the same things I did back then, and this list sorta
brings some of it back.(Except I don't get as dirty)  Sometimes you'll
have to put up with a heckler or two who thinks his car is bad to the
bone, but if you look past that, overall this list has served a lot of
people well, myself included, and many of us has made a lot of "garage
buddies" here over the course of time, so to speak.  While all comments
and opinions are welcome, we just have to realize that there is an
unspoken limit to freedom of speech on this list.  I don't think anybody
wants to step on anyone's toes here for anything they want to say, but
sometimes things get drug out too far, and too out-of-hand, then Greg
(the TERMINATOR) Beaulieu must step in and steer us back on track.  I've
said it before, and I'll say it again...Please treat others on this list
with some dignity.  Respect the other persons rights to either agree or
disagree, but don't attack anyone on the list for all to see.  If you
have a beef, or VERY STRONG OPINION, take it outside.  Don't disturb the
paying customers!  

Sorry Greg, and all who've suffered reading this.  My soapbox is put up
now for another night.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 22:00:51 -0600
From: "Tom Haire" <rcd@infinet.com>
Subject: 68 olds 442

Looking at a 68 olds 442 to purchase. How do I know if the #'s match? What
else should I know or look for to know if it is a really 442?

Tom H.
Hebron OH.

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 23:26:08 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Race to the finish --> 60 Olds vs 80 Rover

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Scott wrote:
> >
> > Attention all Oldsmobile loving guys & gals I need your help.
> >
> > I am currently in risk of dying of embarassment.
> > Ps. I'm not a bad sport, I dont mind loosing, but not to a bl**dy Rover
> > pleeese.
> 
> Isn't there a Clayton Pierce on the Olds list?  If so, could it be the
> same one that sent in the Rover?

Yup.  Clay's a list member and that's his rover.  Don't feel too bad if
you happen to lose to it.  It does have a 215 V8 that was originally of
Buick-Olds-Pontiac design.  Too bad the wire harness isn't of BOP design
too.  ;)  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 22:31:02 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: JWO...

Ray in the desert writes:
>What is JWO?

JWO, short for Journey With Olds, is the monthly publication you get when 
you are a member of The Oldsmobile Club Of America.


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 22:37:07 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: SOAPBOX! (ADMIN: Enough Already!!!)

Mike Rothe writes:
>Yep.  But you have to admit, it's the passion for Oldsmobiles that keeps
>us coming back for more.
- -SNIP-

Well said, Mike! I couldn't agree more...


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 19:59:18 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Club in Southern CA.?

>>
>>Call Woody in Long Beach at (909)685-3819.  He is very active in SoCal Olds
>Club
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>Bill Goodnight
>Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
>idaholc@primenet.com
>Boise, Idaho

Your'e right, I am a member, they meet the first Wednesday of every month
in Cerritos (sp), they are having their Christmas banquet and meeting on
December 6 so there is no meeting this month.

I know a place in Glendale that seems to do a lot of work on classic cars
and I understand does good muffler work, if you email me privately I will
give you their number and more info on the Olds club.


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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