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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, November 6 1997      Volume 01 : Number 940



Big Car Inquiry
VC w/ carb? prob...
Re: Stolen 84 H/O -Long
mexican chrome info wanted
mexican chrome info wanted
Re: Cutlass/Regal seat swap
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
'56 98 For Sale
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Holley carbs -ooooh-
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Toro-thrashing
degree in what?
Jetaway kickdown
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Re: Toro-thrashing
Recipe for Import flambe...
1966 Cutlass 2 dr. htp   FS
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: Toro-thrashing
subscribe
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Toro-thrashing
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
2 Olds FS Not seen everyday
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: High-Output Headlights
Rear Defrost
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: 8 track tape player price?
Re: High-Output Headlights
interior
Re: High-Output Headlights
RE: Rear Defrost
Re: High-Output Headlights
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Re: High-Output Headlights
Olds OEM paint chips
RE: Olds OEM paint chips
olds
Re: Olds OEM paint chips
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Re: dash stuff
'67 Rallye-Pac installation
Re: Olds OEM paint chips
Re: 2 Olds FS Not seen everyday
70-72 Cutlass convertibles for sale?
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Interior restoration question
Re: dash stuff

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:08:27 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Big Car Inquiry

Got this e-mail question from a non-list member.  Reply to him directly at
rick.reeves@bbs.nfe.com

Looking for 1970 Olds 98 owners to correspond with.  Located in West
Lafayette IN.

Someone talk to this boy & get him signed up.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:31:24 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: VC w/ carb? prob...

In the event of a carb? problem- ck the rubber hoses that connect the steel
fuel lines. 30 years is a lot of rot. Replace if any doubt or cracks. Sounds
like you need a bit more trouble shooting before condemning the carb.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 23:35:54 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O -Long

Gilbert Russell wrote:

I sorry to report that my Olds has been stolen.  The thief removed it
from the Philadelphia Airport parking garage on 4 November.
(Cut, Snip)

Gilbert,

My regrets in regards to your recent loss.  Thought you might get a
little encouragement from an experience I had several years ago.  About
1978, I bought a 69 S conv 350 4bbl 4spd that was a one owner.  Drove it
off and on for a couple years until 4th gear syncro started to go out in
the trans.  Took it to Lex, Ky for a client of mine to repair.  He put
it off and put it off and put it off.  The city made him clean up
everything that had been sitting for more than 60 days.  A guy he
rebuilt cars with said we could park it out on his farm where "no one
would bother it."  So out to the farm it went until the mechanic could
get around to working on it.  About 2 yrs later, I ran into the guy who
owned the farm and asked if the S was ok.  He said well some kids had
rocked it and broken out most of the windows, dash plastic, etc.  Also
someone had stolen the doors from it.  So I went out and looked and he
was right, my baby had been trashed.  I thought, well all the important
pieces (motor, trans, rearend, vin plate, etc.) were still there and I
could replace the doors, windshield, glass, plastic, etc. and still have
numbers matching.  About two years later I call the mechanic's business
and my buddy, Paul, the farm owner, answered the phone.  I asked him if
anything else had disappeared or been destroyed.  He said well yeah
there had been more stuff stolen.  I asked him what was missing now.  He
said and I quote "All of it."  Well, as you can guess I got a little
excited about this turn of events.  I went out ot his place and sure
enough it was gone.  I was P*SSED something fierce.  Took a few steps to
cover my butt so he couldn't come at me for storage, etc.  Then I called
the local county attorney's office to report it stolen.  The barrister
said I couldn't report it as stolen since I couldn't prove it.  I told
him it wasn't where it was supposed to be and I had not given anyone
permission to move it so I DID consider it stolen.  I asked the natural
question what if I went to the police dept and filed a stolen car
report.  His response started a new fire going that took a while to put
out, "You will be charged with filing a false police report."  So I
didn't file a stolen car report.  Instead I notified all my clients (I
am a tax accountant) who lived or worked or travelled in the LARGE
general area to keep a watch out for my yellow conv.  Next, I called
every salvage yard and scrap metal recycling place to see if anyone had
sold, scrapped etc a yellow Cutlass in the last 6 months.  (Surprisingly
the scrap metal dealers were very helpful and would search their records
of let me search them.)  On the salvage yards I asked to see if they had
a decklid for a 69 four door so they wouldn't be tipped off as to the
purpose of the call if I didn't know the people at that yard.  Nothing
surfaced for 5 or 6 years.  In the meantime, everytime someone said they
saw a car anywhere close to the description of mine, I went and checked
it out.  Nothing.  I also let it be known to as many people as I could I
was looking for 69-72 Cutlass/442 convs and 70-72 GS Skylarks (sorry
folks, but I like them,too) to buy.  This venue FINALLY paid off as
someone said they saw a yellow 69 conv sitting behind a house in
northern Fayette Co.  I got the location and immediately knew it
belonged to the same b*st*rd (sorry ladies) that owned the farm my car
disappearred from several years prior.  Sneaked out to take a peek.  IT
WAS MY CAR!  Now the problem was how to reacquire it.  Called the local
police and the good old county attorney's office.  Anyone want to take a
guess what I was told this time?  (A side note.  The previous head man
Mr. E. Lawson King, Esq. had lost an election and was no longer the co.
att.  I had nothing to do with it, but I sure would have liked to had!)
Yep, those of you who said the police could not do anything since a
stolen car report had not been filed when it disappearred get an A+.
They did say, however, I could file a civil suit, but when he was served
with the papers the car would probably be Toyota parts before the case
went to court.  The only action I could think of where I could get the S
was to (all together now) RESTEAL my own property.  This took some
planning and thought.  Anyway after two or three weeks of fuming,
cussing, and just generally being upset, I happened to run into a guy
who's brother I went to high school with that worked for a service
station TOWING CARS.  AHAH!!  I told him I was having trouble finding
someone with enough courage to go with me to resteal what was already
mine.  He said, "Here is my home number, my work number, my cell number,
and my pager number, call me when you want to go get it."  My heart took
a shot of adrenalin.  I told Cecil I would try to make sure good ole
Paul wasn't home so there would be no confrontation.  That's the way it
went down.  I called Cecil and we met at a gas station close to the
location, rode in the wrecker together and GOT the S.  I had taken the
precaution to bring a copy of the title and the keys to it.  He asked me
if I was sure it was mine.  I put the keys in the ignition and turned
the lock.  That was good enough for Cecil.  He hooked it up and we
busted out of there.  TALK ABOUT A RUSH!!!!!!!  We towed it to my
parents' house since Paul knew where I lived.  This story will have a
happy ending one of these days after I have restored the S.  Right now
it is sitting in my downstairs garage in a heated, cooled and dry area.
Sign on the garage door window saying protected by Smith & Wesson is
extremely accurate.  Anyone I find in there without my permission will
be carried out parallel to the ground. I wish it were together now, but
obviously major work will be necessary.  Paul had cut the belts, laid
the a/c compressor  over to the side, and was in the process of removing
the motor.  The radiator hoses were removed, etc, etc, etc.  Apparently
he wanted the motor to put in something else, probably a diesel
conversion to gas.  (I had suspected Paul or his soninlaw might be
involved as the soninlaw had asked me several times if I wanted to sell
the car while it was sitting at the shop.)  Apparently he couldn't take
no for an answer.  You know, the thing that really ticked me off was I
felt like the guy was laughing at me in my misery when he knew all the
time where it was.  I told Cecil, the tow truck driver, that if we
couldn't get out of there, I was going to blow it up on the spot.  It
would be a little tough for Paul to accuse me of torching a car that
wasn't there.  If it burned anything else down so what.  (I know, bad
attitude, but I was a little mad at the time.)

So, Gilbert, I wanted you to know miracles do happen sometimes.  Keep
your chin  and hopes up and report it to the police.  Then tell as many
people as possible to look for it in their travels and keep a major eye
out for it yourself (dumb suggestion I know, but the obvious is
sometimes ignored) everywhere you go.  You might also think about
publishing a reward if it is brought back together, no questions asked.
Who knows, you might get lucky too.  I just wonder how much of mine is
messed up internally and, truthfully, where to start after I get a 69
donor car. I hope you had insurance on it, but it still won't cure the
hurt of losing your baby.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

PS-This was my first Cutlass.  After it was stolen, I bought 2 more
Cutlasses, 2 442's and a GS455 conv before MY 69 came home.  It was the
reason I actually started to accumulate a "collection".  But hey, I
would have bought more of them anyway; it was just a matter of time.
Needless to say nothing of mine is out of my sight for long now.

Sorry for the length, folks, but when you love your car, you love your
car.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:45:59 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (bill goodnight)
Subject: mexican chrome info wanted

Does anyone have the phone number for Mike Aldana who brokers chrome work in
Calexico, California?  I think some of you had contact with him.   Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:45:56 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (bill goodnight)
Subject: mexican chrome info wanted

Does anyone have the phone number for Mike Aldana who brokers chrome work in
Calexico, California?  I think some of you had contact with him.   Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:42:33 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass/Regal seat swap

Thomas G Allen wrote:  a few Q's about Regal/Cutlass interior swaps...

Tom, the Carpet, seats, headliner, door panels, and lower rear 1/4 trim
panels should swap in directly.  The dash, and rear 1/4 glass trims are
different (appearance...  They'll swap too, actually).  If you want to
stoop (like I did:) you can use Gran Prix parts, too, the door panels
are different there, but still swap, anyway.  Same for the monte carlo,
if you'd want such a thing  :)


- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:50:16 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

> Man oh man. What a sad deal. I feel for ya, Gilbert.

> They don't care. All they know is that they got a cool ride with a
> boomin' system for nothin. Terrible. I hope you find it, or the police
> find it, hopefully all in one piece.
>

I whole-heartedly second that.  That is tragic.  Let's hope that ~when~
(not if!) you find it, it still has both wing tips intact.  My fingers
are crossed for you.  Good luck!


- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:56:53 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '56 98 For Sale

Got this notice off my web page, reply to him privately - disclaimers: dont
know, etc.

I have a 56 olds Holiday 98 I'm interested in selling. It was owned by a
Doctor's wife in Ventura, CA. I bought it with less than 40K miles and it
has about 52K now.

Phone: 800-862-4517 X 2913 or 510-624-2913 or email.

Mike Rosenthal

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:50:52 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

  Hope you all come to
>the funny farm to visit me.  That's where I'll be after I try putting
>those dash decals in place...

Color suggestions - how bout triple yellow - PICK ONE, Saffron maybe?  hee
hee, I'll probably be visiting you sooner then you expect on the farm.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 23:56:10 -0500
From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

Sorry to hear your nice H/O was stolen.  My friend just had his 1971
Chevelle convt. stolen here in Columbus last week, from in front of his
house.

Keep your head up or else you may never find it.  Good luck!

Dave Betz
dbetz@netwalk.com

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From: Gilbert Russell <russellg@dmv.com>
To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Stolen 84 H/O
Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 8:12 PM

I sorry to report that my Olds has been stolen.

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:10:08 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Holley carbs -ooooh-

 not true,  i have a 650 vacuum secondary.  it's a hell of a carb.  most guys
 like 2 shooters, but i like only one.  it is more fuel efficient and with a
 little spring work you'll never know the difference.
 mikey tvb@aol.com >>

mikey, i've been wrong before-----but not this time i dont think----- not
to say you dont have  a vacuum secondary, i just dont think it's a 650.
a 600 maybe or even a 750, but NOT a 650. Holley makes two 650 cfm
carbs and they're both double pumpers. but then i maybe wrong. if i
am, call Holley and tell them they screwed up all their catalogs and
their web page at http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/Carb/Carb.html
duane
==============
Call me confused here, but isn't one guy talking about the number of
accelerator pumps and the other guy speaks of method of opening rear barrels. I
recall many moons ago I went to buy a new Holley for my 67 Cutlass 330 motor...
Was offered the choice in the 650 DP of vacuum or mechanical secondaries. I
chose mechanical. Still have that carb and the Offy 360' intake that it sat on.
It kicked ass. Might have been that 330 motor.

Wow, it just now occurred to me that my "10.25:1" 330 motor had rubbed >>ª5<<
heads, which lowered the compression a bit. Have to calculate that one out...

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:05:45 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

> no for an answer.  You know, the thing that really ticked me off was I
> felt like the guy was laughing at me in my misery when he knew all the
> time where it was.  I told Cecil, the tow truck driver, that if we
> couldn't get out of there, I was going to blow it up on the spot.


Man, what nerve.  I'd have severe trouble resisting the urge for
revenge.  Things like replacing the car with a chainsaw convertible
(che*y, of course,) and torching it in his yard, perhaps (hopefully)
taking out a few more items with it...

Or maybe going back to his shop with a big s**t-eating grin (Where on
earth did that phrase originate??!?!!?) and announce that you'd ~found~
your baby, and that out of revenge you planted enough C4 explosives in
the house to level Toronto, and watch the look of astonishment on the
guys face when he sees the car on your trailer.  Make sure you boast
about how big of crater was left...   See how long it takes him to leave
and investigate his house...  Casually mention the slight guilt felt
about those kids in the backyard...  Some sob story like that.  Sure to
make the guy's face turn red.  I guess somewhere in there it would
become necessary to beat the tar out of him, too.  Have to play that one
by ear!

Hmm,  sounds tempting.  Remember, you didn't hear it from me  :)


- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:17:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Toro-thrashing

> Shagged the 77 Toro Sunday... learned a few things.
> The 403 can make front tire smoke.
    etc.

Even though this kinda stuff is a blast to do, I have to ask you this
question...why in hell are you abusing a Toro?!?  Sure, it *can* take
the abuse, but it's an insult to Olds...from now on, use a FORD! (That
is unless you were *trying* to kill the car...)

But, if the car is dying, and you were trying to kill it, you'll have to
try a lot harder.  Try a few 'neutral drops'

P.S.--Did you get any of Sunday's off-road experience on tape?  I'd
kinda like to see that...
================
Alas, the video maker ist kaput! Dang sony just doesn't hold up to dropping &
stepping on it.

"Yes, friends, just add a few "Neutral drops" to your trans fluid, and watch 
the
fireworks!" Sounds like a Marvel Mystery Oil additive...

Why? Educational. Fun. Car body is shot. All I want is that crank triggered ign
system... Engine is sold already. But not the ign system. Did a couple ND's to
get the front tire smoke started. Trans will probably never find a buyer
anyhow. It still works. In MI, applying the parking brake, if indeed that were
possible, would succeed only in permanently locking it on. Rusty cables, ya
know...
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:20:32 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: degree in what?

Didn't think of it that way!  How 'bout this:
Majoring in computer science, minoring in rocket science!  Ha ha.
Jason K. Adcock                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
=============

Ha ha ha ha ha hoo haa. I like it.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Not one comment yet on my new sig file... "Mecca"!?
- -CBW-

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 00:23:19 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Jetaway kickdown

> It is indeed a 2-speed--I think that that's the primary feature of a
> Jetaway.  Most places who list parts for them list them as a "H.D.
> Jetatway."  As for kicking down,  see if you can tell me if it kicks down
> if you're going 25-40 mph and punch it to the floor.  My car is already
> pretty fast, but if it would kick down...hold on!

I have the same tranny, and it kicks down when you floor it at any speed
up to 55 mph. Above that, you're out of luck. The kickdown is controlled
by a switch mounted on the accelerator pedal linkage. The switch may be
bad, or just out of adjustment.
============

Don't overlook the obvious. there should be a trans fuse. Runs on electricity,
right? Ck for juice at the trans wire with ign on & pedal depressed. Go from
there.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:32:05 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

That's a shame...it really is.  There's not much that can be said,
'cause what's done is done, but I really feel for you.  My Delta isn't
exactly showroom condition (far from), but I'd be some upset if some
lowlife were to disappear with it.  All I can do now is wish you the
best in finding it...the f**k-up likely only went for a drive.

If you can actually find the person responsible for this, we should all
be there with pillowcases full of doorknobs...(dishing out a good
bootf**king will make you feel better, anyway.)

Best of luck,

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:44:07 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Toro-thrashing

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Alas, the video maker ist kaput! Dang sony...

"Made in Japan..." need I say more?  (Actually, it held up pretty good,
especially after a dropping and stepping on it.  It takes less than that
to kill a Mazda...(not that it's a hard thing to do)

> "Yes, friends, just add a few "Neutral drops" to your trans fluid, and watch
the > fireworks!" Sounds like a Marvel Mystery Oil additive...

It's likely more friendly than DuraLube...

> Why? Educational. Fun. Car body is shot. All I want is that crank triggered
ign > system... Engine is sold already. But not the ign system. Did a couple
ND's to > get the front tire smoke started. Trans will probably never find a
buyer > anyhow. It still works. In MI, applying the parking brake, if indeed
that were > possible, would succeed only in permanently locking it on. Rusty
cables, ya know...

Here's a better method than the parking brake...the car is shot, right?
Well than get in there with your wire cutters, and pinch one of the
front brake lines...that way the brake and the transmission won't fight
each other, plus, she'll smoke a *lot* better...

But if you try and stop the car from any decent speed (30mph+), you can
imagine what'll happen.  When you're over there in the rhubarb, write us
a postcard!

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 00:57:41 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Recipe for Import flambe...

(For the sensitive ones, this is all written in good spirits)

**Dave's Recipe for Import Flambe**

1) Add 5000lbs of Lansing Iron and 2000lbs imported plastic to one
roadway, preferrably facing each other.

2) Start both vehicles, and serve at high velocity.

3) Mix vigorously.

4) After initial collision, locate plastic vehicle (if possible...if
not, check between tie rod and steering box).

5) After plastic vehicle is located, smother with fresh high-test, and
ignite with chrome lighter (for best results, have 4-4-2 inscribed on
lighter).

6) Let sit for 10 minutes

7) Serve and enjoy!


S.D.W.

(Yes, there *was* Olds content in there...)

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:59:44 -0800
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: 1966 Cutlass 2 dr. htp   FS

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A good car to restore. Runs and drives, but needs help.  early olds 350 =
motor, 2 speed trans. ps,pb,a/c minus hoses, and compressor. Radio =
plays, console(missing door) buckets (black). Upholstery is ok except =
for drivers seat which is torn, and could be repaired. Rest of seats are =
fine. Door panels, need carpet at bottom, and some minor repairs. They =
are complete with trim. Tinted glass, good windshield, no rust around =
back window. Car sports original gold paint, that is quickly fading as i =
write this. Black vinyl top that is also slowly shrinking. No heavy rust =
except for a silver dollar size bubble at bottom of rh fender. Also a =
small area in trunk with some pinholes. Nothing major in way of rust. =
Southern California car since new. Not currently registered, but comes =
with signed off pink slip. Overall the car is in a ª4 condition, =
according to the Old Cars Price guidelines. Overall, the car needs a =
restoration, paint, some minor dings on otherwise undamaged quarter =
panels, bumper replating etc.=20
Due to other interests i  have decided to sell the car, and not restore =
it myself. The price is $1400.00 firm.=20
sincerely   Mike      maldana@digitalwave.net


Mike Aldana
417 Encinas ave.
Calexico Ca. 92231

760-357-0713     early morning best =20

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:14:05 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Kevin Wong wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,

>> When I got to looking around I discovered that in addition to the normal
>> halogen sealed beams, GE makes a high-output unit that the box claims
>> delivers up to 80% more light than regular halogens. Despite their high
>> price (about twice that of a normal halogen) I decided to try a pair. I
>> had a devil of a time adjusting them and I'm still not sure they're
>> right -- they seem to have a different projection pattern than regular
>> sealed beams -- but unless I still have them totally out of whack, I don't
>> see much of an improvement.

Really?  I was driving home at around 10:30 last night, and I met a car
on the road that had them.  It was an old Chrysler Daytona/Laser (pre
'89)....anyway, it had the four-lamp system, but only the lows (2
outside) were on.  I was nearly blinded!  I had to squint and struggle
to see the road!  I hate it when this happens, so I flashed my high
beams at him.  He flashed his, and it was like staring into a
spotlight!  My whole car lit up!  At this point I had to blink and rub
my eyes...

The GE HO lights have a very distinct blue color to them...that's how I
recognized them.  I'm sure everybody's heard of Low-E glass, like in
house windows.  It reduces the glare by 75% (or something like that).
This way, if there's less glare inside the sealed beam, more light can
get out...(so I've been told...sometimes what I'm told and what's
actually true are two different things).

So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 02:16:34 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

whats the web site for the photos????
Berrnie

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:37:11 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Toro-thrashing

In a message dated 97-11-06 00:20:07 EST, you write:

<< ..from now on, use a FORD! (That
 is unless you were *trying* to kill the car...) >>
use of chevy, not a ford!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 03:37:30 -0500 (EST)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: subscribe

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:35:45 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

> So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
> the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...

Almost bought a set this weekend.  Back at Havre for the one last haul,
K-mart had a big stock of 'em.  Tons of the hi/lo elements, but no high
beam alone.  Which bothered me, because the '83 (which I'm driving now)
has halogen dual beams, and incandescant hi beams.  Plus one of the high
beams is burned out, so I'm in the market for that.  I'd find much more
practicality in having super bright high beams, and livable lows, than
vice-versa.  That would put me in the same shape as those f***ing f*rd
trucks.  (The number one reason behind my superior hatred towards Ford
Motor Company.  Anyone with much night driving experience, especially on
two lane roads, can tell at any distance which oncoming vehicles are
f*rd trucks.  Simply because you can't see anything.  At all.  They are
a danger to the rest of the traffic, and I think some rich person should
hire some hot shot lawyer and eliminate the problems...)  'Nuff ranting.
Anyway, they had no single beams, so I'm still running with one hole on
high beams.  That's ok, though.  The Wallflowers can drive it home with
just one....  ;)


Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 01:52:15 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Toro-thrashing

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> << ..from now on, use a FORD! (That
>  is unless you were *trying* to kill the car...) >>
> use of chevy, not a ford!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, we all know the success rate of ~their~ front wheel drive V8's ;)
How about parking a blowtie ~and~ a f*rd together, butting the nose of
the Toro up against them, and ~then~ nailing it.  See how much tiresmoke
is produced in moving all three cars across the parking lot!  :)  (Hey,
now, that kinda sounds like fun...  I might have to air up that tire in
~my~ 77 Toro this weekend.. Hell, it even has plates and insurance...
Hmmm....)


- --
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 03:42:53 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Charley Buehner wrote:
> high beams.  That's ok, though.  The Wallflowers can drive it home with
> just one....  ;)

I kinda liked the line in Soul Asylums (I think it was theirs)

...night drivin without headlights.....wearin sunglasses too....

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:35:18 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> whats the web site for the photos????
> Berrnie

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/lansing/lansing.html
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 07:57:32 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

You have my sympathy.  In the days of old, horse thieves were hung.  I
think we should treat car thieves the same way.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:10:39 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

man, that has got to be the worst feeling.  i hope you get it back!  i
always have this fear of someone snagging my '72 442 (it's in a park &
ride lot every day!) - i can only imagine how crappy i'd feel.  i've
known many people over the years, while living in urban areas most of my
life, that have had their car stolen and i'd have to say that at least
75% of them got their car back!  so, keep hope!!!

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:45:34 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 2 Olds FS Not seen everyday

I found these two Olds for sale they are listed on

http://www.classifieds2000.com

These are cars you dont see for sale everyday. I dont have any thing to
gain from these, just passing it along for information only.


.......................

Car 1962, Oldsmobile ambulance, 110K miles, $2,500/OBO
Options white & orange exterior, brown interior
                             Station Wagon
                             Classic Car
                             Four Door
                             Automatic Transmission

Description ambulance looks like ghostbusters has 2 spotlites on front
doors with siren and red lites on top. unit has
jump seats in back with place for gurney also, run but seems to have
exhaust valve out.


Seller Info

For sale by Dealer

(402) 893-3006 [Day]
(402) 893-3006 [Eve]
pheasantrun@bloomnet.com
orchard, Nebraska 689764
Post Date 03-NOV-97

.........................

Car 1905, Oldsmobile Curved Dash, 1K miles, $21,450/OBO
Options marron & black exterior, black interior
Classic Car
Two Door
Manual Transmission
Description
Fully restored antique, one cylinder, horseless carriage. Fun to tour
and parade as well as a great investment!

Vehicle ID 50218
Seller Info For sale by private party
(702) 475-0551 [Day]
jack@polero.reno.nv.us
Reno, Nevada 89510
Post Date 03-NOV-97

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 09:05:36 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> > no for an answer.  You know, the thing that really ticked me off was I
> > felt like the guy was laughing at me in my misery when he knew all the
> > time where it was.  I told Cecil, the tow truck driver, that if we
> > couldn't get out of there, I was going to blow it up on the spot.
>
> Man, what nerve.  I'd have severe trouble resisting the urge for
> revenge.
 I guess somewhere in there it would
> become necessary to beat the tar out of him, too.  Have to play that one
> by ear!
>
> Hmm,  sounds tempting.  Remember, you didn't hear it from me  :)

> Charley Buehner
(CUT, CUT, SNIP, SNIP)

Charley, you don't how bad I wanted to get even with that SOB (sweet ole
boy, of course).  I wanted to do a lot of things for his pleasure and
education.  Like have a few distant folks I know stop and do a tap dance
on his head (he would never have felt it), turn him in to a few
carefully selected govt. agencies (IRS-for possible unreported income
for one, DEA for potential drugs in his motel, rental properties, etc
etc etc).  Even though about the possibility of infrequent 30-06 laser
scoped well placed rifle usage.  Decided, being the peace loving person
I am, to restore the car to as new status (or as close as economically
feasible) and driving it by his house slooowwly and beeping the horn at
him while he is out in front of his rattraps and waving with a HUGE grin
on my face.  In reality, I would like to take a rocket, shove it in the
appropriate opening and pull the trigger.  (My apologizies to whomever I
may have offended in this post.  Trust me, the guy deserves whatever
happens to him, but it won't be by my hand.)  Besides, he just isn't
worth it.  And (hello Pollyanna) the optimist in me looks at it like I
would not have bought the 72 Hurst or the 70 Supreme conv or the GS had
this not happened.  Got to look on the bright side if possible.  I may
have a different opinion when restoration finally starts on the S
though.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:50:02 -0500 (EST)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

<<The other night I had to drive on the highway in a steady rain. I found
it very hard to see, though I had a headlight out. When I got to looking
around I discovered that in addition to the normal halogen sealed beams, GE
makes a high-output unit that the box claims delivers up to 80% more light
than regular halogens.

Maybe I'm just getting old or something and my eyes are less responsive
than they used to be, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experience
with these? Comments/opinions?>>

I can sympathize with your predicament,(sp?)  as I get older (must just be
headlites deteriorating) I find it harder and harder to see as comfortably at
night.

However a company I rep for has the perfect answer.  Hella makes a
replacement light for sealed beams.  It is a light capsule with a replaceable
bulb.  The capsule incorporates "European optics" and makes an incredable
difference especially on low beam.  The light is incredably focused so you
can see way better on low without blinding oncoming cars.  The lights for two
headlight systems, both round and retangular, are called "Vision-plus" and
are DOT certified in the USA.  The lights for the four headlight systems,
both round and retangular, are called"Vision" and are for off road use only.
 These lights are expensive, but nothing I have seen come close to their
overall performance.  There are all the "off road use only" extra wattage
bulbs avaiable if you want to blister the bugs before they hit the front of
your car too.

The company's ª is 800 343-3033 if you are interested.

I hope this doesn't violate any list rules, but they really do work.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:53:55 -0500 (EST)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

<<Didn't someone say a little while ago that there
was a defect in these somewhere? >>  The ones that got out before the recall
had the center of the hood raised instead of indented.  Sort of like a 66
with louvers!  I got one of each.
<<  It's got Cutlass
Supreme emblems, is it supposed to?>>  Some of the actual cars did and some
didn't.
<< It's a little more detailed that what I expected,>> I was really
impressed. too!

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:07:04 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

Don Sowers wrote:
> Decided, being the peace loving person
> I am, to restore the car to as new status (or as close as economically
> feasible) and driving it by his house slooowwly and beeping the horn at
> him while he is out in front of his rattraps and waving with a HUGE grin
> on my face.

any chance that this bum duplicated the keys?
do you think he's got a shed full of your parts?

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:31:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

In a message dated 97-11-06 01:18:39 EST, you write:

<< This way, if there's less glare inside the sealed beam, more light can
 get out...(so I've been told...sometimes what I'm told and what's
 actually true are two different things).

 So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
 the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...

 S. Dave Ward >>

Really curious about this because "someone told me" that the blue(ish)
headlights started with those German "Porch" cars and were of
the "sodium" world.  Anybody got a bunch of facts on state of the art
headlight technology they can share??  Curious  also about the Phillips
"black" headlights, anyone have or tried a set of these?.....TIM

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:10:47 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

I have the GE High Output Halogen's on my '84 H/O, which was equipped with
normal halogen's from the factory.  After driving a hundred miles through a
twisty-turny road at high speed in the rain at night in the middle of the
desert, I decided that I *really* needed better headlights.  The 4-light
system doesn't seem to give as much light on low beams than the big 2-light
system did.

Yes, I did notice a big difference, they helped a lot.  To aim the new ones I
followed the directions included, by pulling my car up perpendicular to a wall
about 30' away.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> The other night I had to drive on the highway in a steady rain. I found
> it very hard to see, though I had a headlight out. As it turned out I



> halogen sealed beams, GE makes a high-output unit that the box claims
> delivers up to 80% more light than regular halogens. Despite their high

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:15:48 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rear Defrost

I am interested in adding the optional rear defroster (blower type) to
my 1970 Cutlass S. I have seen several pictures of the dash on cars
equipped with this and they have all been air conditioning cars. Was
this option available on non A/C cars!?

I don't have A/C and want to know if I should give up before I get my
hopes up. HELP!!



Brent Pinkstaff
70 Cutlass S


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 08:17:03 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

I thought the bluish lights were the new ion discharge type, like you find
on most of the new luxury (esp. european) cars.

I don't think they make HO high beams, what's the point?

Charley Buehner wrote:

> > So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
> > the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...
>
> Almost bought a set this weekend.  Back at Havre for the one last haul,
> K-mart had a big stock of 'em.  Tons of the hi/lo elements, but no high
> beam alone.  Which bothered me, because the '83 (which I'm driving now)

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:20:59 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

Saw one like mine at Lansing for $500!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Must have been
quadraphonic sound. :-)

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, November 06, 1997 3:16 AM
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?


>I paid $70 for my 8-track, out of a '68. It needed about $30 worth of
>repairs, mostly a cleaning and a new drive belt.
>
>I've seen refurbished ones advertised in the $150-$200 range.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:28:09 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Tom Lentz wrote:
> Yes, I did notice a big difference, they helped a lot.  To aim the new ones I
> followed the directions included, by pulling my car up perpendicular to a 
wall
> about 30' away.

Directions? What directions?

I don't recall seeing any. How the heck do you aim these things using
the wall anyway? I can see perhaps a height adjustment being possible,
but side to side might be problematic.

In my case I think they are aimed too high. The road ahead (apologies
to Mr. Gates) looks dim, but I can see road signs way ahead reflecting
back at me. I'm still fiddling while the headlights burn... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:28:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: interior

There are some nice pictures of a few H/Os on page 114 of the
latest Car & Driver, in case anyone's interested. I'm going to start
refurnishig my interior soon, and I wanted to know if anyone has a company
they would recommend for parts. The seats in my car are ok, but everything
else is really torn or cracked. The rug was pulled recently, too. There is
some rust on the passenger's side and you can see the ground through two
tiny holes. Should I try to handle this myself, or leave it to the pro's?
This is my first restoration and I would appreciate any advice. Thanks.

Pat
'68 Cutlass S

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:38:21 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Ernie said:
>
> Hella makes a
>replacement light for sealed beams.  It is a light capsule with a replaceable
>bulb.  The capsule incorporates "European optics" and makes an incredable
>difference especially on low beam.

>The lights for the four headlight systems,
>both round and retangular, are called"Vision" and are for off road use only.

Used to live way out in the sticks with twisty narrow blacktop until the
gravel. Used & loved aforementioned  "off road only" Hellas on a car since
gone to divorce. Only thing I didn't like was the price ----- which is why I
don't have them now.

> These lights are expensive,
>
>The company's ª is 800 343-3033 if you are interested.
>

Roger Hitson

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:52:18 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Rear Defrost

On Thursday, November 06, 1997 11:16 AM, Brent Pinkstaff
[SMTP:fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com] wrote:
> I am interested in adding the optional rear defroster (blower type) to

> my 1970 Cutlass S. I have seen several pictures of the dash on cars
> equipped with this and they have all been air conditioning cars. Was
> this option available on non A/C cars!?


It is listed on the options list like this:

C50  Window Defogger, Rear- Coupes      $26.23

No reference is made that A/C is required. So you should be able to
install it.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:20:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Hi Dave,

> So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
> the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...

Those bluish lights you saw are probably mis-aimed "for off-road use
only" 80/100 watt headlamps!  When installing the HO GE lamps, I compared
them directly with the old ones.  There isn't really any difference in
appearance, it is difficult to see the higher light output if staring
directly at it, but they sure feel a lot warmer!

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:45:44 -0500
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> Was at a department store tonight looking at train stuff.  Turned
> around
> and saw a Lindberg W-30 model on the shelf for $12.99.  It was the
> only
> one, so I thought I'd better grab it.  Don't know why, I have put a
> model together in years.  Took it to the register and it turned out to
>
> be on sale for $10.39.  Didn't someone say a little while ago that
> there
> was a defect in these somewhere?

yes the hood is wrong.

> Kinda makes me
> mad that one of the tailight lenses is defective.

If you call/write to lingberg they will send you the proper hood. They
will also send the lens.

Be on the lookout for the Testors 442. Excelent model. has real metal
wheels!

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 12:55:27 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

Dustin Cross wrote:
>
> Don Sowers wrote:
> > Decided, being the peace loving person
> > I am, to restore the car to as new status (or as close as economically
> > feasible) and driving it by his house slooowwly and beeping the horn at
> > him while he is out in front of his rattraps and waving with a HUGE grin
> > on my face.
>
> any chance that this bum duplicated the keys?
> do you think he's got a shed full of your parts?


Dustin,

The smartest thing I did do in this whole mess was to keep the keys.  He
never had access to them, although I'm sure it wouldn't be too terribly
difficult to have it rekeyed.  No, what I think he was after was the
motor as back in the 80s you could take a 350 Olds motor and  replace
the 350 diesel junk GM put in the Eldo, etc.  It was supposed to be a
much easier changeover than using other GM 350s.  I don't know why.  As
for him having any of the parts stored, I think it is much more likely
he sold them.  He was too crooked and lazy to turn a wrench unless he
could clear so money immediately.  He was so cheap he would take his
pickup and load up the trash and take it to the city dump on Tuesdays
because it was free rather than pay $20-30 a month to have it picked
up.  The guy is and was a SNAKE of the first order.  Later found out he
screwed some of his family members out of a good wad of money having to
do with a real estate deal.  Real interesting character.  Too bad I
didn't know it beforehand.  You know what really burned me was the
treatment I got from the county attorney's office.  These folks are
elected to protect us, not screw us.  Somehow I got the impression that
wasn't exactly what they thought.  Strange world.

Don Sowers

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 13:25:00 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

i've seen lights on a new caddy that resemble flourescent lamps (kinda
bluish in appearance)!

Kevin Wong wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> > So if you ever see a car with distinct blue (ish) headlights, they're
> > the new GE high-output.  I almost think they're *too* strong...
>
> Those bluish lights you saw are probably mis-aimed "for off-road use
> only" 80/100 watt headlamps!  When installing the HO GE lamps, I compared
> them directly with the old ones.  There isn't really any difference in
> appearance, it is difficult to see the higher light output if staring
> directly at it, but they sure feel a lot warmer!
>
> Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:10:50 -0500
From: <casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com>
Subject: Olds OEM paint chips

Can anyone direct me to an on-line resource for Olds factory paint chips as
well as interior color specs for 70-72 Cutlass?

Thanks in advance,
Casey Dempsey

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 14:40:17 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Olds OEM paint chips

On Thursday, November 06, 1997 1:11 PM, casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com
[SMTP:casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com] wrote:
>
> Can anyone direct me to an on-line resource for Olds factory paint
chips as
> well as interior color specs for 70-72 Cutlass?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Casey Dempsey
>


I have them on my homepage under "1970 Paint Chips" at:

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html

They may take a little time to download. The 71 and 72 may be a little
different as each year has a few different colors.

Hope this helps.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:47:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Lmcmcsc@aol.com
Subject: olds

unsubscribe olds

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 11:57:45 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Olds OEM paint chips

Casey,

> Can anyone direct me to an on-line resource for Olds factory paint
> chips as well as interior color specs for 70-72 Cutlass?

All I have access to is 71's:

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/chip.html

Let me know if you would like 68's

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 14:00:30 -0600 (CST)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

> > Don Sowers wrote:
> difficult to have it rekeyed.  No, what I think he was after was the
> motor as back in the 80s you could take a 350 Olds motor and  replace
> the 350 diesel junk GM put in the Eldo, etc.  It was supposed to be a
> much easier changeover than using other GM 350s.  I don't know why.  As


The 350 diesel is based on the 350 Olds engine; therefore, the 350 rocket
is pretty much a bolt-in replacement for the 5.7 diesel in any GM product.
If the guy was a farmer, he probably was going to drop your engine in a
Chevy or GMC truck with a bad diesel.

Tom

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 97 11:57:35 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: Re: dash stuff

I've lost track of who was looking for this but I've got one with faded chrome
(including the little plastic fasteners) that I'll part with for cheap.  It
would look fine if you rechromed it.

Was gonna put it on my 70 Cutlass but decided it looked better without it.  You
get what you pay for, I guess...

Let me know
Hans

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:13:45 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: '67 Rallye-Pac installation

Am restoring a '67 CS convert and would like to install a R/Pac gauge setup.
The cluster I have is cutoff~ 6" from the plug that goes into the gauge.

1. Is there a harness that plugs into my dash harness thatwill then plug into
the gauge

2. Do I have to change the dash harness? Modify?

3. I note that engine harnesses for the '67 are listed as 'with' or 'w/o
gauges':  Is a new engine harness needed?

I'd appreciate a few tips from anybody who's done this before.

CoupeKing

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:00:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds OEM paint chips

> Casey,
>
> > Can anyone direct me to an on-line resource for Olds factory paint
> > chips as well as interior color specs for 70-72 Cutlass?
>
> All I have access to is 71's:
>
> http://members.aol.com/drewinva/chip.html
>
> Let me know if you would like 68's
>
> Chris Sparks
>
I'm interested in '68's.

Pat

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:58:58 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 2 Olds FS Not seen everyday

On Thu, 6 Nov 1997, Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> Car 1962, Oldsmobile ambulance, 110K miles, $2,500/OBO

This sounds cool... I can see Bryceman in this car. ;-)

> Car 1905, Oldsmobile Curved Dash, 1K miles, $21,450/OBO
> Two Door
^^^^^^^^^^

Didn't think these had *any* doors... ;-)

> and parade as well as a great investment!

At $21K I don't know how good an investment this one is...

Earlier this week I was in Yarmouth, NS on a business trip. On a little
used car lot/garage -- the kind you only see in small towns these days,
looks like it's been there since the days of the Curved Dash -- there was
a '62 Dynamic 88 2-door hardtop for sale. Looked like it hadn't been
driven in a while. Someone tried to restore it a while ago from the look
of it: rear bumper was painted silver, front needed chrome; paint was a
faded champagne metallic, with some rust bubbles starting at the base of
either C-pillar; interior looked to have been redone at some point,
because I don't think Olds used beige velour in '62. I love the look of
those '62s even though this was a fairly basic car, even had poverty
caps. I think the asking price was $3500 Cdn., but it had been sitting
for a long while. From a sticker on the window it appeared to have spent
most of its life in Alberta. Hope someone brings this one back to its
former splendor.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 16:55:21 -0500
From: <casey_dempsey@pr.alumax.com>
Subject: 70-72 Cutlass convertibles for sale?

I am interested in acquiring a 70-72 Cutlass convertible in restored or
mostly restored condition.  Must haves are auto trans, A/C, pwr windows.
Any info on ad locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Casey Dempsey

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 17:16:27 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

Thomas G Allen wrote:
>
> > > Don Sowers wrote:
> > difficult to have it rekeyed.  No, what I think he was after was the
> > motor as back in the 80s you could take a 350 Olds motor and  replace
> > the 350 diesel junk GM put in the Eldo, etc.  It was supposed to be a
> > much easier changeover than using other GM 350s.  I don't know why.  As
>
> The 350 diesel is based on the 350 Olds engine; therefore, the 350 rocket
> is pretty much a bolt-in replacement for the 5.7 diesel in any GM product.
> If the guy was a farmer, he probably was going to drop your engine in a
> Chevy or GMC truck with a bad diesel.
>
> Tom

Tom, this guy was too lazy to be a farmer.  He would work harder trying
to screw somebody out their money than to earn it himself.  REALLY
strange guy.

Don

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:32:18 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Interior restoration question

To all the experts out there,
I am restoring the interior on a rallye 350. I need to get seat covers, door
panels, and carpet. Out of all of these places who has the best products?
Also, Is it fairly easy to redo seat covers and carpet?

Brothers
YearOne
The Parts Place
Tamaraz
Fusick
and The Paddock


Thanks,
Jim McKeague
70 W31
70 W45
96 Aurora

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:51:03 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: dash stuff

In a message dated 97-11-06 08:52:20 EST, you write:

>
>  > E&G Automotive  has them NOS for $55.00  only 5 left
>  > 1-401-435-7139
>  > Rumford, R.I.
>  >
>  > Everett  OCAª1961
>  >
>  $55.00??!!! It's just a piece of plastic, man! I wish I could make my own
>  and sell them for $55 bucks. Then I could get my transmission leak fixed.
>  I'd look for a parts car.
      When the repro's don't fit right and are not as good as the OEM and
they are hard to get $55.00 isn't a bad price

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