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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, December 5 1997       Volume 01 : Number 990

Rapidfire plugs
200-4R durability
Re: Danbury Mint '55 Super 88 Conv
Re: Danbury Mint '55 Super 88 Conv
Re: 1970 442 W-30
Re: Rapidfire Plugs
Re: Re[2]: Heater/AC control switch
Re: Heater/AC control switch
Re: lever
More on Erik's Rear End
Re: 1970 442 W-30
Still More on Erik's Rear End
Re: Oldsmobile Clipart???
Re: 1970 442 W-30
AM/FM Radio
1979 W-30 Price
Endorsement for Mike Aldana (was: Chromeplating hobbyist pricing)
Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)
Re: More on Erik's Rear End
Re[2]: Heater/AC control switch
[none]
detonation
lost axle
Re: 64 442 f/s
CRatios
sounds
Lansing videos
Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)
Re: Rearenz
Re: ADMIN-Small suggestion-No flack please
'65 Cutlass 2-spd wanted
RE: sounds
Re: Trans mystery......solved......help?? and thanks.......
Re: Sorry for the post...
Re: Intake Manifold gaskets
Help - My car is posessed
Re: Lansing videos
UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Re: Xmas
Re: Xmas
RE: Rearenz, Update
RE: sounds
Re: Xmas
Re: sounds
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re:  H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
Re: Xmas
RE: sounds
Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
RE: sounds
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Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:22:18 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rapidfire plugs
Message text written by INTERNET: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Rapidfire Plugs
Anyone here have experience with these? I seem to recall someone tried a
set in a 307 -- Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
Rapidfire equivalent?>>
I have Rapidfire plugs in my 1987 442 (307) and they are o.k.  No firm
numbers as to if they helped.  I seem to have a rougher idle now.  They
seem to run the same as standard AC plugs (FR3CLS6 in this application).
DON'T run Bosch Platinum - tried them in my 1976 Cutlass 350 and my 1987
442 and both did not run as well (verified at the dragstrip consistently).
The Rapidfires might work better in the older 307 application which used
the R46SX plugs, but they don't seem to work as well in the newer
application with the FR3CLS6 plugs.
BTW - I had the first set of Rapidfires in my 442 replaced by Delco after I
called and talked to an engineer their.  The second set aren't any better.
She said that the plugs are a compromise to fit many applications (I
believe mine uses #5's) and so tip position and heat might be a little
different
Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:22:57 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 200-4R durability
Message text written by INTERNET:Dave Ward
>Is it a THM200-4r?  I've heard that it's a dog of a transmission.<
I take exception to this comment.  The THM-200C (3-speed) is a real dog of
a tranny, but the 200-4R is an excellent transmission.  In stock form
(especially in the firmer shifting GN/T-Type and 442 applications) it can
handle 250+ hp with no problem.  For about $1200 (which includes complete
rebuild, hardened stator shaft, hardened input shaft, kevlar intermediate
band, etc.), it can be built to handle 350+ hp.  Talk to any GN owner who
runs in the 11's and 12's with this tranny and they will tell you it
doesn't take much to make it great.
BTW-the 200-4R is actually better than the 700 for racing.  They both can
be built to handle about the same HP but the 200 has better gear ratio
spacings and is lighter.
Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division
'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 16:55:14 -0800
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Danbury Mint '55 Super 88 Conv
Lloyd,
Thanks for mentioning this.  I have a 99.5% restored '55 2-door 88
hardtop convertable and the '55s are my favorite year.
Purests may not like the fact that I am running a 455 Olds in it, but
it sure does go.
Thanks again.
Gary Andresen
Pleasanton, CA
Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> I don'[t know if you care, but the Danbury Mint is offering a 1:24
> scale model of a magnicent red & white 1955 Super 88 convertible.  It
> is equipped w/a spotlight & the obligatory spinner wheelcovers.  The
> cost is $105.  This is plenty high, but in line w/the other company's
> offerings on these things.  Payment is done in 4 installments so as
> not to break one all at the same time.
>
> I have a number of the Danbury Mint cars & they are usually very
> nice.  The Franklin Mint makes models too, but they are a little more
> expensive & are not always as accurate as the Danbury Mint ones.
>
> Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
> Decatur, Alabama
> '62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:02:58 -0800
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Danbury Mint '55 Super 88 Conv
Take a look.......
http://www.interaccess.com/diecast/data/reviews/review80.html
Gary Andresen wrote:
>
> Lloyd,
>
> Thanks for mentioning this.  I have a 99.5% restored '55 2-door 88
> hardtop convertable and the '55s are my favorite year.
>
> Purests may not like the fact that I am running a 455 Olds in it, but
> it sure does go.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Gary Andresen
> Pleasanton, CA
>
> Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> >
> > Everyone,
> >
> > I don'[t know if you care, but the Danbury Mint is offering a 1:24
> > scale model of a magnicent red & white 1955 Super 88 convertible.  It
> > is equipped w/a spotlight & the obligatory spinner wheelcovers.  The
> > cost is $105.  This is plenty high, but in line w/the other company's
> > offerings on these things.  Payment is done in 4 installments so as
> > not to break one all at the same time.
> >
> > I have a number of the Danbury Mint cars & they are usually very
> > nice.  The Franklin Mint makes models too, but they are a little more
> > expensive & are not always as accurate as the Danbury Mint ones.
> >
> > Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
> > Decatur, Alabama
> > '62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:15:28 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 W-30
olds guy has some nice used isde marker lights  $10 ea
  thanks jeff
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:26:01 EST
From: Two72W30S <Two72W30S@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rapidfire Plugs
In a message dated 97-12-04 13:54:50 EST, you write:
<< - Tom Lentz perhaps? I'm thinking about picking up a set
for the Delta's 350. Original AC-Delco plug is a R46SX; is there a
Rapidfire equivalent?
  >>
Rapid fire plugs are no differnt than say your accell racing plugs or
the splitfire plugs.  With and Hei setup on the 330's to 455's, the
AC delco plug is the R46SX.  For point distributorsl, they call for
R44 or R45 spark plugs.  R46SX are gapped at .080 and the other
plugs mentioned at .045. I have found better performance by gapping
the R46SX's at .060 and instead of using the R44's I use the
NGK 5670-6 or 5670-7 plugs gapped at .045.  I have used the NGK
plugs on both HEI and MSD ignitions.  If I was to use the Rapid fires,
I would also gap them at .045.  I have never had a performance problem.
I have noticed that performance got better when I went from
AC Delcos to Autolites then to NGK's.  I am staying with the NGK's because
I know they work and they cost the same as the Rapid fires.
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30
Two72W30s@aol.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:17:58 EST
From: OldsGuyGA <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Heater/AC control switch
  contact me on the net or fax  me at 770-270-2321  or call me at
   770 723-9345   jeff  olds guy....
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:27:48 EST
From: Big EJ <BigEJ@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Heater/AC control switch
Vince Knight asked:
>      Recently a vacuum leak has occurred in the heater/AC control switch
in
>      the dash in my 71 Cutlass.  The hissing starts when the temp control
>      is moved from the cold position.  I checked for broken or
disconnected
>      hoses, but found nothing.  I've never had one of these out.  Any
tips?
>      Are they repairable?
>
>      If I need a replacement does anyone know of a source besides the
junkyard?
>
>      Thanks
>
>      Vince Knight

If you pull the control panel out of the dash, you'll see a "rotary valve"
some where in the middle of the control assembly.  It is the place where all
the vacuum hoses attach.  The bottom half turns against the top half and
through a series of passages directs the vacuum to (away from??) different
servos.  Kind of like a very simple transmission valve body.
The leaks you describe usually come from these valves wearing.  The best
cure
is to replace the valve, but if a better one isn't available try
dissassembling the valve and cleaning up the wearing surfaces.
The method that works the best for me is to find a flat piece of glass and
wrap it with crocus cloth.  Then carefully smooth both of the mating
surfaces.
Works 90% of the time.
Hope this is helpful
Elephant Engine Ernie
67 442
50  88
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 17:57:31 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: lever
Bob Steinmann wrote:
>Anthony,
>I have repaired GM columns in my shop for 7 years. The lever itself
>snaps into the column. To remove, a good quick jerk will unndo it.If it is
>broke off flush it may be more difficult.The small wires onthe lever are to
>the cruise control. They can be cut off if the cruise is not needed or if
>it is already broken. The wires can be snaked through the column without
>dissasembly by the following procedure. Remove trim panel under column and
>locate the small harness that contains the cruise wires.unplug it. the
>connector has a hole drilled in it to run a wire through it. a 2 foot piece
>of wire or strong strinng will work. Genntly pull the wires up through the
>column and out the turn signal hole. This may take a couple tries.
> To reinstall, tie the wire to your new switch and work it back innto the
>column. As a worst case, the sterring wheel may have to be removed, but
>rarely. As a GM tech I was allotted >% hors to do this. Tace your time and
>you can do it.
>                                                   Bob Steinmann
>                                                   Century Auto Air
>Conditioning
>
Thanks for the clarification, Bob.
I didn't realize it would be so easy to do it.  When I replaced mine, it was
because
it had been replaced incorrectly and a piece of metal had shorted and even
cut the
wires completely off at the end of the combination lever.  I was forced to
dig in
and get the wires, and that took me quite a while, since I had never taken
on the
project before.  I think your reply will be very helpful to us since most of
us have
the same column.
Anthony Marstall
'87/88 Troféo
'83 CS Brougham
Kmart Automotive Accessories Manager
*utomotive Service Management Major
Kansas Technology Center
Pittsburg State University (KS)


Free web-based e-mail, Forever, From anywhere!
http://www.mailcity.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 21:00:07 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: More on Erik's Rear End
     Of his _CAR_!!!

     Seriously, I just checked the factory manual (1969, but 70 should be
     the same) and the Type O rear axle _does_ use a retaining ring pressed
     on the axle shaft inboard of the bearing to retain it.  Could it be
     that your neighborhood service station, used to working on Brand C,
     inadvertently left this part off?  That would certainly explain the
     departure of the axle shaft.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 18:14:02 -0800
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: 1970 442 W-30
You'll be terribly disappointed in the repro fender wells. And if you get
them
from the Parts Place in Batavia, Ill. they'll charge you a $100 restocking
fee
to take them back.
Fusicks sells the repro side marker lights, and they're perfect.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 21:29:58 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Still More on Erik's Rear End
     An interesting bit of trivia that I meant to mention is that the
     factory service manual indicates that there is a difference between the
     4800 series Type O axles (as in Vista Cruiser) and all other Type Os.

     Near as I can tell, the difference is in the retaining collar design.
     Now correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a 70 442 axle in your
     VC?  Could it be that the shop used the correct ring for the _car_, not
     the axle housing?

     On a different note, please don't feel that you need to let us know
     what you have tattooed on _your_ rear end!  ;-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 20:37:51 -0700
From: Christy Hendricks <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Clipart???
NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Does anybody about there have any Oldsmobile related clipart??
>
> I bought this little business card making program and would like to put
some
> Olds stuff on them.
>
I have some, but it's hidden away on my backup hard drive.  ~Hopefully~
(I'm praying!) I'll have my PC back by the weekend, and can finally
assess the situation once again.  It'll probably have a new (much much
bigger) hard drive, and possibly a different display adaptor (Maybe)...
Fingers crossed.
Send another request in a week or so, so I can have it saved on my PC.
I'll likely never see this message again, since I'm not on ~my~ computer
:(
Most of the stuff is early 80's models.  Fairly clean, kinda big...
Charley Buehner (still with a wrong name...)
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:45:36 EST
From: ANTIQ OLDS <ANTIQOLDS@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 W-30
In a message dated 97-12-04 11:49:31 EST, you write:
<< The grilles Year One
sells may very well be Fusick grilles.  I don't have any idea about the
other parts.
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2 >>
    All the GM Licensed parts (OLDS) Year One sells they buy from Fusick
Automotive  theu are a contracted dealer for Fusick Automotive who produces
95% of the licensed Oldsmobile parts
Everett  OCA# 1961  1961 Starfire
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 19:48:22 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: AM/FM Radio
I have a 64 Dynamic 88 that I am looking at upgrading my AM to an AM/FM
original radio, and I figured with all of that speaker stuff going around,
someone might have one of these old boys sitting around.  If so, please let
me know.  If you know of anywhere to track one down that is in good working
condition, I would appreciate that information as well.
Thanks,
G
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary M. Manton SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice         (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager
"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 21:09:57 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: 1979 W-30 Price
Hi All,
    I am typing this letter to get some feedback on the price of a car
we have locally here that is up for sale. I deal more in the older
muscle cars so I do not have a good grip on what the price should be.
The car is a 1979 Olds Cutlass W-30, The condition of the car is very
good condition, the owner bought it new and has been the only owner, he
is very particular about his cars. I am interested in this car but do
not know what to offer him, there is several other Olds buff's in this
town that have asked him to sell over the years but John has always said
no. He stopped in at the computer store tonight to inform me he is now
interested in selling, he is not a car collector but does know it is
worth a fair amount. The car is black and gold, the interior is bucket
seats and gold cloth, all the guages, auto on the floor.
Thanks,
Tom Williams
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:55:38 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Endorsement for Mike Aldana (was: Chromeplating hobbyist pricing)
In a message dated 97-12-04 21:47:35 EST, you write:
<< >  >>
>She'll be glad to see them, I'm sure.  I'm glad it worked out for all,
since
>she was having a hard time finding anybody to do it in the first place, and
>then everyone was expensive.  She found one place in Chicago, which is 90
>miles away, so she still had to ship it.  I'll give her this info. tom.
>(Monday) when I see her.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris Ruper
>CRuper1@aol.com
Chris , just for my personal info. Did Jennifer like the chromework?? I know
it"s been a while, and i found this letter in my older files. I always like
to know how i am doing in qualitry etc etc.  If you can please let me know.
sincerely  Mike Aldana
>
  >>
Whooops...  sorry bout that, I was planning on responding to you, but forgot
all about it.  Yes, she was very happy with it, and they look like new.
I've
seen them, and I agree, they do look great.
I won't hesitate to recommend your services to anybody, and from what I saw
(actually from what Jennifer told me) your prices were slightly under what
she
would have paid locally (which is 90 miles away), and that is including
shipping them out, etc.
Thanks,
Chris Ruper
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 21:07:47 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)
Jim wrote:
>Ken's shop is in Winter Haven, Florida not Tampa.  Been there many times
>for parts both new and used.
>
>JIM
Oops!  I copied that address from 442.com - Didn't think to look at the
catalogue Specialty Olds sent me last year. (I've made all my purchases from
Ken over the phone.)  Sorry about the mix-up.
Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442
http://www.442.com/newman.html
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:11:13 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: More on Erik's Rear End
>      Seriously, I just checked the factory manual (1969, but 70 should be
>      the same) and the Type O rear axle _does_ use a retaining ring
pressed
>      on the axle shaft inboard of the bearing to retain it.  Could it be
>      that your neighborhood service station, used to working on Brand C,
>      inadvertently left this part off?  That would certainly explain the
>      departure of the axle shaft.

This last summer I replaced the rear axle bearings on my 75 Caddy
(same non C-clip rear as an Olds) and had my roomate (at the time) do the
press stuff at work (the local Ford/Toyota dealership).  Anyway, if I
remember correctly, the old retaining collar is supposed to be cut off
(now, I could be wrong, I'm going from my memory of the manual).  At any
rate, Toby (my roomate) tried to press them off the axles...he said it
took about 3500 lbs on the press to get them off!!  New collars went on
fine.  I do seem to remember the manual saying that if there was any
damage to that part of the axle that the whole thing should be
replaced...is it possible thats the case here?  Doing a job like this is
no big deal (actually pretty easy...and a good time to redo the rear
brakes if you need an excuse to do them too...)  But, I hope they get it
figured out.
Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 21:07:19 CDT
From: knightvd@norand.com
Subject: Re[2]: Heater/AC control switch

     Thanks Ernie,

     I'll let you know how I make out.

     Vince Knight - knightvd@norand.com

     71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Re: Heater/AC control switch
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at smtpgate
Date:    12/4/97 7:52 PM

Vince Knight asked:
>      Recently a vacuum leak has occurred in the heater/AC control switch
in
>      the dash in my 71 Cutlass.  The hissing starts when the temp control

>      is moved from the cold position.  I checked for broken or
disconnected
>      hoses, but found nothing.  I've never had one of these out.  Any
tips?
>      Are they repairable?
>
>      If I need a replacement does anyone know of a source besides the
junkyard?
>
>      Thanks
>
>      Vince Knight


If you pull the control panel out of the dash, you'll see a "rotary valve"
some where in the middle of the control assembly.  It is the place where all
the vacuum hoses attach.  The bottom half turns against the top half and
through a series of passages directs the vacuum to (away from??) different
servos.  Kind of like a very simple transmission valve body.

The leaks you describe usually come from these valves wearing.  The best
cure
is to replace the valve, but if a better one isn't available try
dissassembling the valve and cleaning up the wearing surfaces.

The method that works the best for me is to find a flat piece of glass and
wrap it with crocus cloth.  Then carefully smooth both of the mating
surfaces.
Works 90% of the time.

Hope this is helpful

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

------------------------------
Date:
From:
Subject: [none]

------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:19:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: detonation
Did you recurve that distributor before you put it into your 350. The
260v8 will definitely have a more advanced and lighter spring setup. I
think that's why you are getting that pinging. Add an accel recurve kit
to that list of products and you will notice an improvement. I would
suggest that you do the spring setup first.
Fernando Proietto
===============
I am wondering if maybe the timing is set w/ no vac to dist'r, fine, then
hose
is hooked back up... to a full-vacuum port, not  ported vacuum, which sets
the
timing incorrectly under most circumstances.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:41:49 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: lost axle
It appears the wheel bearing was not pressed in as hard as it should have
been, or that the axle was so worn that the bearing could not hold the axle
tightly enough.
I'll keep you posted on the future chapters of this saga.
================
Bummer. On most such Olds axles, there is also a collar on the axle inboard
of
the bearing, which assures that the axle does not leave via the inner race.
The
instructions always say NEVER re-use that collar- it is a critical press
fit.
I wonder if they used the new collar or the old one, and did they press
everything together properly? Will they let you see the parts?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:40:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 64 442 f/s
>>Do you friggin knock everyone on the list. You make it sound like you
>>are the brain behind the Oldsmobile...Sorry all of us dont know
>>everything about everything like you. And for your information the
>>Heads were decked 20 thou and Fel Pro Ultra Seal Head Gaskets were
>>used, and compression is 10.25:1...Any problems with the numbers call
>>Mondello Smart Ass.
>>1964 Olds 442 F-85
>>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>>
>I obviously missed something. What started this?
>
>roger hitson
Roger,
As best I can gather, Rick is responding to Chris ("Mr. Congeniality" ;)
Witt's assessment of the description of a 350 with 403 heads (am I right on
this, Rick?). Chris is right, however, about the resulting compression
ratio, *especially* if the 350 is using 10.25:1 pistons. The dish on those
pistons is designed to produce a *rated* compression of 10.25:1 with 64cc
heads, though in actual conditions, the *calculated* compression would be
more like 9.0-9.5:1.
When you pair those pistons with the 83cc #4A heads from a 403, however, you
drop your compression by a full point or two (or more), even with a .020"
cut. Though Chris wasn't going out of the way to avoid hurting anyone's
feelings (and c'mon, be honest, this isn't kindergarten), he is right to
bring up this point, which will certainly affect the performance of the
engine. Though it may sound neat to be using the #4A heads from a 403 on a
350, and they do have larger intake valves, these heads are not a great
option on even a 403; about the only thing they're ideally suited for is
converting a diesel engine over to gasoline operation.
As far as what Mondello has to say on this issue, see the very first
question he addresses on p.2 of his tech guide, and the first point in the
summary of his wisdom on p.13: you cannot go by the advertised compression
ratio of an Oldsmobile piston, especially on the Olds 350, due to the
different configurations and combinations of piston dish and combustion
chamber volume. His chart for compression ratios rates a 350 w/80cc heads
(about what your cut 403 heads would have) at 8.6:1 with the 10.25:1 piston,
and 7.8:1 with the 8.5:1 piston.
Also note that a valve job (or series of valve jobs) will raise the
combustion-chamber volume, and the actual installed height of the piston
below the block deck at TDC will affect the compression ratio as well.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 23:55:39 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: CRatios
        I came across a 1972 Olds Performance Guide that states the ACTUAL
compression ratio  of a 1970 W30 455 was 9.64 to 1. It also shows a maximum
clean compression of 11.148 to 1. Head gasket volume is listed as 5.32305 cc
dish volume as 1.430 cc, cylinder head volume as 69.75 cc and 91.71971 as
the combustion chamber volume.
        Does anyone else have this or similar data to share.
==================
Oh, boy. Yes, sir, *I* do happen to have all the calculations and many
measurements for the 330, 400, 400, 425, 455, 350, and 403 motors.
Funny you should ask, too, what with the BS flying around about making 10:1
compression with 403 heads!  Yeah, that must be how they get them 470HP
307's!
;-)
Coupla snags here. 1) Today's 455 gasket volume is more like 10.5cc. 2) The
BB
heads are about 80cc, and you lose about 1cc per 5 thou shave, so you'd have
to
cut the heads about 11x5= 55 thou or .055" to get anywhere near 69cc heads.
In
my experience, a cut of .045 yielded C heads with about 72cc.
For the 455 w/ HC pistons, I have:
4.125 bore
4.250 stroke
0.015 deck clearance assumed => 3.3cc
4.250 x .045" gasket hole assumed => 10.5cc
Piston dish 2.790 dia. x 0.150 deep => 15cc
80 cc head to start with
Total chamber cc of 108.8
Or, a CR of 10.50 after a head cut of 0.053" with the above parts/ figures.
Again, I have done this for ALL [significant] [sorry 307 fans] Olds motors.
With all pistons that might fit. I have multiple degrees in engineering,
have
studied this stuff for years. I make it my business to strive to spread
truth
not B.S. in these matters.
Next question/ ridiculous claim to be refuted?
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 22:58:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: sounds
> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
================
Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up. Every kid
these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So, those of
us
with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all that, and
sell the sounds to them guys! They can sound like a W30, Ford, Chevy,
whatever,
just crank up the volume. Get pulled over- no problem officer, it was just
my
STEREO! Heh.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 00:14:06 EST
From: OLDZ69442 <OLDZ69442@aol.com>
Subject: Lansing videos
For you folks who have viewed both the OCA video and the Oldsmobile video,
which is the one to purchase, if you are only buying one?
Thanks,
Bob Iozia
Brick,NJ
69 442
57 Ch*vy
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:41:35 -0700 (MST)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: carpet  (Attn: Scott)
Hey, thanks for all the responses to my carpet query!  I guess
I'll give ACC a call and see what they've got.  Like most of the interior
of my 98, the carpet is shot and needs to be replaced.  It would anyway I
guess, since I'm changing the color scheme of the car from Turquoise/ grey
and silver interior, to a red/white paint scheme (red body, white
top) and a red/white interior.  Thanks again!
Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 21:48:30 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Rearenz
Wow, that brings back memories - same thing happened to my 10 bolt orig.
rearend in my '67 CS ragtop.  Had to pull it over (it wouldn't drive) and
then someone hit & run-ned it.....the only time my cars get it is by
mystery vehicles.

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA
'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)
Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:59:15 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN-Small suggestion-No flack please
> looking, good running iron.  I never did understand why I didn't like
> very many Chevs though until I got on this list.  There's just too many
> of them out there just alike.  I LIKE being an individual more than I do
> joining in with the herd.  I guess that is one reason I work for myself.
         Very well put, Don.  Very well put.  That's exactly what I'm going
for
with my project (although because of my project some people on this list
thing
I'm a TWISTED individual, but at least I'm considered an individual!  =B)
I
know what you mean in this regard, however, because I, too, own my own
business.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 00:39:28 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: '65 Cutlass 2-spd wanted
This post was sent to me from a guy looking at my page, and I told him
I'd throw this up on the list and see if anyone can be of "service" to
him, wether you guys might have a '65 available or if you know where
one's for sale.  Please reply directly to him at the address provided
below.
     hey,i have a 65 cutlass.it has a 2 speed tranny.i need to find a
match of
     that.i figured since u have a cutlass and the internetthat u would
know a
     good web-site for cutlass of any year around 65.
     Bill Wingfield
His e-mail address is:  mailto:wingnut@kenton.com
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com
Welland, Ontario, Canada
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 06:36:11 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: sounds
The sweetest sound on earth is a 394 Olds running 2 1/2 exhaust, and a pair
of
Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with a shift kit in it.  If
you
have never heard this throbbing sound, you have missed a great sound.  Even
though Caddy and Pontiacs sound OK, nothing compares.  Thanks for listening.
Anyone out there got any 49 Olds 98 Parts?
- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Chris Brown Witt
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:58 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself
Subject: sounds
> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
================
Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up. Every kid
these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So, those of
us
with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all that, and
sell the sounds to them guys! They can sound like a W30, Ford, Chevy,
whatever,
just crank up the volume. Get pulled over- no problem officer, it was just
my
STEREO! Heh.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:21:44 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Trans mystery......solved......help?? and thanks.......
Thanks again for the help, I guess Ill trust that it was rebuilt properly,
if
it blows, Ill rebuild to GN specs.......
Bernie       71 350 + 81 200r = 1986 Salon!!!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 02:30:28 -0500
From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: Sorry for the post...
Paul,
I forgive you.  But, my computer is better than your computer (Ha! Ha!???)
Dave
(with apologies)
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 20:39:28 -0600
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold gaskets
I say try getting some gaskets and a "turkey tray" for a 330 motor. The
330 motor uses separate gaskets for the intake ports and a separate bolt
in tray for the valley pan. I think it's a better set up than the 350. I
dont know whether or not the 350 has provisions for bolting up the valley
pan.
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN
On Wed, 3 Dec 1997 22:26:05 -0500 "M&D Gillespie"
<mgillespie@sprynet.com> writes:
>Right now I'm in the process of putting a Performer RPM manifold and
>Edelbrock 750 cfm carb on my 69 350. It used to be a two barrel.
>The problem I need help with is the intake manifold gasket. I want to
>put the "Torque Plus" gaskets on. they have the little screens that
>are supposed to "atomize" the fuel for cleaner burn. I also have the
>'turkey tray" in my  car and I don't even have to buy a new one (what
>$25?). In the pile of stuff I got when I bought the car, I found a
>brand new one in the box, with end seals, gooseneck gasket and
>sealant.
>The Torque Plus instructions say I can use their gaskets and the
>Valley pan together with no problem. They also say I can ditch the
>Valley Pan with no problem. What do you all think? After all, Joe
>Mondello says that using the Pan will reduce the heat 100%. :-). I
>guess he took the "New Math.
>I'm also doing the cam and valve train at the same time, but I'm not
>into any kind of serious racing. Just want some power to play with.
>Would appreciate any experiences and help.
>TIA
>
>Mick Gillespie
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>
>
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:05:53 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Help - My car is posessed
I could use some helpful hints before I kill myself.  Lately, my 77
Cutlass 442 has developped an anoying habbit of accelerating on his
own.  When it first happened, I was taking off from a stop light and I
stepped on the gas to take a turn.  When I stepped on the brake, the car
wanted to keep going and I had trouble holding it with the brake until
it all of a sudden stopped pulling.  I thought it was my fault and I had
gotten the floormat jammed under the gas pedal.  Well, this morning, I'm
pulling into out parking lot at work and there is a fairly tall speed
breaker.  It's so tall, that I scrape my headers on it if I dont's crawl
over it.  So I'm crawling over the speedbump and I'm not even on the gas
at all, when the car just picks up and goes.  At 5am there is not too
much going on in the parking lot, so I had room.  I was approaching
50mph and "flicking" the gas pedal didn't do anything. (I thought maybe
the linkage got stuck).  Running out of room, I ended up shifing into
Nutral and the car reved up to about 5500 rpms, then finally it just
went away and returned to normal idle.  What could it be?  The electric
choke?  Even if it's messed up I don't see it raisinf rpms over 2000,
2500 tops, especially in gear.  Is there a possibility that the vacuum
for the cruise control engages somehow and janks the linkage?  I have
working cruise control, but the power switch was off.  I tested it, it
still works like it's supposed to.  I can't think of anything else.
I've seen diesels that blow themselves up, but never a gasoline engine.
So before I sit in bumber to bumper traffic and all of a sudden take off
like speed racer, I'd like to get this fixed.  Any suggestions would be
MOST welcome.
Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 08:36:57 -0500
From: RC Hellebuyck <mrhell@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing videos
> For you folks who have viewed both the OCA video and the Oldsmobile video,
which is the one to purchase, if you are only buying one?>

Heck for the price their selling the two tapes for, buy both!
- --
RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:18:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Ingmar, can't use the "H*LP" word... forwarding.
Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: H*lp - My car is posessed
I could use some helpful hints before I kill myself.  Lately, my 77
Cutlass 442 has developped an anoying habbit of accelerating on his
own.  When it first happened, I was taking off from a stop light and I
stepped on the gas to take a turn.  When I stepped on the brake, the car
wanted to keep going and I had trouble holding it with the brake until
it all of a sudden stopped pulling.  I thought it was my fault and I had
gotten the floormat jammed under the gas pedal.  Well, this morning, I'm
pulling into out parking lot at work and there is a fairly tall speed
breaker.  It's so tall, that I scrape my headers on it if I dont's crawl
over it.  So I'm crawling over the speedbump and I'm not even on the gas
at all, when the car just picks up and goes.  At 5am there is not too
much going on in the parking lot, so I had room.  I was approaching
50mph and "flicking" the gas pedal didn't do anything. (I thought maybe
the linkage got stuck).  Running out of room, I ended up shifing into
Nutral and the car reved up to about 5500 rpms, then finally it just
went away and returned to normal idle.  What could it be?  The electric
choke?  Even if it's messed up I don't see it raisinf rpms over 2000,
2500 tops, especially in gear.  Is there a possibility that the vacuum
for the cruise control engages somehow and janks the linkage?  I have
working cruise control, but the power switch was off.  I tested it, it
still works like it's supposed to.  I can't think of anything else.
I've seen diesels that blow themselves up, but never a gasoline engine.
So before I sit in bumber to bumper traffic and all of a sudden take off
like speed racer, I'd like to get this fixed.  Any suggestions would be
MOST welcome.
Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov
'77 Cutlass 442
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 06:22:06 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Xmas
Well Friend,
If you really prefer the intellectual approach and choose not to hear an
occasional XXXX, then you have probably never turned a wrench; it comes
from the skinned knuckles.  Those of us with skinned knuckles do on
occasion use creative spelling.  And (Please note that beginning a sentence
with "and" is incorrect grammar) regarding the "mine is faster than yours"
debates, those were created when Dr. Oldsmobile produced his first muscle
car, it comes with the territory.  Further, we all know 4 4 2 is pronounced
4 4 2.
Since you appear to NOT be happy, may I recommend you try one of those
places whose E-MAIL address ends in edu.
Warmest personal regards, your friend, Rick
- ----------
> From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Xmas
> Date: Monday, December 01, 1997 11:54 AM
>
>      Dear Santa, all I want for Xmas is an Olds Email list without:
> 1) my xxxx is faster than your xxxx whining
> 2) personal attacks
> 3) personal business traffic (not counting 'for sale' lists)
> 4) foul language (even with * in the spelling)
> 5) days long debates on how to pronounce 4-4-2
>
>      Let's use the list for what it was intended: information sharing
> about Oldsmobiles! I've owned Oldsmobiles since '79 and I've been
> hoping for years that all the ins and outs of "Rocket Science" would
> get documented somehow.....what a great start in the FAQ! A few years
> ago this was unthinkable. Let's keep the advice and troubleshooting
> sessions going....I know I've benefitted already :)
>
> My .02
>
> ===
> John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
> Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
>
> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
> + 4 parts cars, some F&rds and a Ch$vy
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 06:47:22 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas
- ---"Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net> wrote:
Well Friend,
If you really prefer the intellectual approach and choose not to hear an
occasional XXXX, then you have probably never turned a wrench; it comes
from the skinned knuckles.<SNIP>
>>I take GREAT offense at the mechanical slam. I do ALL of my own work
and always have! How do you think I can keep so many cars running! OK,
I'll give on the creative spelling/language....wouldn't want this to
become a Barney list ;) BTW I have skinned my knuckles plenty of times!
And (Please note that beginning a sentence with "and" is incorrect
grammar) regarding the "mine is faster than yours" debates, those were
created when Dr. Oldsmobile produced his first muscle car, it comes
with the territory.  Further, we all know 4 4 2 is pronounced 4 4 2.
>>AND :) I don't mine a car debate but what I was really complaining
about is dissention among our ranks and the babyish remarks and
personal attacks in ~some~ of the posts! You may not remember the
infamous 4 4 2 pronuncation debate but it was UGLY!
Since you appear to NOT be happy, may I recommend you try one of those
places whose E-MAIL address ends in edu.
>>WRONG! I am very happpy with the Olds list (as well as the Toro
list!). To finally find so many folks with like interests is
refreshing......there's few if any Olds fanatics in our town!
Warmest personal regards, your friend, Rick
>>Thanks! Maybe you can come over sometime: we can turn some wrenchs
and cuss a bit!
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 1997 17:39:24 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rearenz, Update
Eric,
I would like to comment on this, especially after just having my
axle bearing replaced. For your axle to come out like that two things
would have had to happen:
1. The bearing it self would have had to come loose. Given it's
press fit, the bearing would of been seized in order for it to have spun
it's race and come loose. But you mentioned that new bearing were put
in.
2. If the axle came out 2 feet then the bearing retainer would
have to come loose as well. It's installed in much the same manner as
the bearing - press fit.
The fact that there is an axle plate held down with 4 bolts is
irrelevant, because if the bearing came loose then the axle is going to
slip right through that retainer plate. The only thing left holding the
axle in would be the oil seal. I don't think it could handle that kind
of load.
In my opinion, the bearing and the retainer (race) were
installed incorrectly, or the axle had more wear from previous damage,
but that should have been noticed.
Fernando Proietto
A. Manager
Systems Analyst - Informatics
Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 07:47:55 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: RE: sounds
Excuse my ignorance, but I have a (actually 2) 394's but what or how is a 2
1/2 exhaust and  pair of Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with
a shift kit in it.   And is this worth doing to my '64 Dynamic 88?
G

At 06:36 AM 12/5/97 UT, you wrote:
>
>The sweetest sound on earth is a 394 Olds running 2 1/2 exhaust, and a pair
of
>Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with a shift kit in it.  If
you
>have never heard this throbbing sound, you have missed a great sound.  Even
>though Caddy and Pontiacs sound OK, nothing compares.  Thanks for
listening.
>Anyone out there got any 49 Olds 98 Parts?
>----------
>From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Chris Brown Witt
>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:58 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself
>Subject: sounds
>
>> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
>> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
>
>I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
>================
>Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up. Every kid
>these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So, those
of
>us
>with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all that,
and
>sell the sounds to them guys! They can sound like a W30, Ford, Chevy,
>whatever,
>just crank up the volume. Get pulled over- no problem officer, it was just
my
>STEREO! Heh.
>
>--
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>
>
>
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary M. Manton SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice         (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager
"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 1997 23:47:09 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Xmas
Rich,
GREAT response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 09:57:52 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: sounds
Chris  (Mr. Congeniality) Witt suggested:
Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up. Every kid
these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So, those
of us with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all
that, and sell the sounds to them guys!

     Sorry Chris, but I remember something like this offered for sale in
     those small ads in the back of Hot Rod in the 60s!  There really is
     nothing new under the sun...

     They also had the windshield washer reservoir that you could mount in
     the trunk and use to direct water at the back wheels to help with
     burnouts...

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 09:54:03 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
i think im going to do just that.  i just have to find a kit somewhere
around
here cuz i dont want to order on right now.  i also have a distributor out
of
a '79 350 toro.  we put this distributor in the 260, and it ran like snot.
but im wondering if it would run better than the 260 distributor in my 350?
hmmm....
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 97 10:04:57 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re:  H*lp - My Car is Possessed
..Lately, my 77 Cutlass 442 has developped an anoying habbit of accelerating
on
his own...

     Check the throttle cable.  Over time, the braided cable can wear
     inside the sheath and start to fray.  These now loose strands will
     bind on the inside of the sheath and cause the cable to stick.  An
     easy way to check this is to disconnect the cable at the carb end and
     attempt to move it (the cable) back and forth by hand.  It should be
     extremely easy and smooth in its motion.  Any binding at all and the
     cable should be replaced.

     I've had this happen on both my 70 W-30 and my 85 Crew Cab dually.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 10:07:32 EST
From: BIG JERMES <BIGJERMES@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuild/Upgrade kits....
well, im running a '72 350 with #7 heads.  (these are the heads with
hardened
valve guides.)  um, seems like they are 69cc heads, but dont hold me to
that.
they were shaved down a little to compensate the thicker fel-pro head
gaskets.
the pistons are supposed to be factory size dish for a '69 350 with a 2 bbl
carb.  the '69 350s with 2bbl had 9:1 factory.  the pistons i bought are
made
by badger.  going by this, it should be 9:1 compression, but it hasnt been
accurately tested or anything.  and how in the world are you running 10.25:1
compression??????  hot rod themselves say its almost impossible unless your
running some seriusly retarded timing or a water injection system!!  or
maybe
you live on top of pikes peak? :-)
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:17:05 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Xmas
- --James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net> wrote:
Rich,
GREAT response!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>Oh, that was bright! I guess what irks me the most is that slams and
put downs are just thrown out on the list without thought! Think of
everyone in the same room face to face! Would you say the same things?
Of course not!
James, you are also welcome to visit anytime! This goes for anyone on
the list!
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 97 15:39:29 UT
From: "Peter Slisz" <PV7793@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: sounds
If you like to hear the sweet tones of the exhaust when you trottle off the
line, with the Hydro-matic shifting sharp and firm, the different tones of
the
exhaust as you go thru the gears, or at a idle, the trobbing of the exhaust.
Once you experience that sound, you either like it or not.  If you don't
know
what a H-Pipe is, it is a pipe welded across the dual exhaust to balance out
the exhaust.
- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Gary Manton
Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 6:47 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: sounds
Excuse my ignorance, but I have a (actually 2) 394's but what or how is a 2
1/2 exhaust and  pair of Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with
a shift kit in it.   And is this worth doing to my '64 Dynamic 88?
G

At 06:36 AM 12/5/97 UT, you wrote:
>
>The sweetest sound on earth is a 394 Olds running 2 1/2 exhaust, and a pair
of
>Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with a shift kit in it.  If
you
>have never heard this throbbing sound, you have missed a great sound.  Even
>though Caddy and Pontiacs sound OK, nothing compares.  Thanks for
listening.
>Anyone out there got any 49 Olds 98 Parts?
>----------
>From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Chris Brown Witt
>Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:58 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself
>Subject: sounds
>
>> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in itself!
>> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
>
>I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
>================
>Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up. Every kid
>these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So, those
of
>us
>with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all that,
and
>sell the sounds to them guys! They can sound like a W30, Ford, Chevy,
>whatever,
>just crank up the volume. Get pulled over- no problem officer, it was just
my
>STEREO! Heh.
>
>--
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>
>
>
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary M. Manton SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice         (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager
"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 11:44:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: H*lp - My Car is Possessed
Ingmar, your symptoms sound almost exactly like those my dad had on his
'78 Grand Lemans. 99% of the time the thing was fine, but every now and
then you would start it and it would race up to 3 or 4K revs for no
apparent reason, and no amount of playing with the accelerator pedal
would stop it. Did this from new, and the mechanics never could find
what the cause might have been. Scary though, one of the reasons he got
rid of the car (along with premature body rust after a couple of
years). Sorry I can't be of more assistance.
Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Fri, 5 Dec 1997 07:55:44 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: RE: sounds
     I agree....nothing beats the sound of an Olds V8....though any
kind of exhaust! "You gotta four-fourty-two in that?" I was asked as
my 70 Cutlass S idled at a 7-11 one day.......Oldses really ARE
esoteric......understood by only a ~few~ :)
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


- ---Peter Slisz <PV7793@classic.msn.com> wrote:
>
> If you like to hear the sweet tones of the exhaust when you trottle
off the
> line, with the Hydro-matic shifting sharp and firm, the different
tones of the
> exhaust as you go thru the gears, or at a idle, the trobbing of the
exhaust.
> Once you experience that sound, you either like it or not.  If you
don't know
> what a H-Pipe is, it is a pipe welded across the dual exhaust to
balance out
> the exhaust.
>
> ----------
> From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Gary Manton
> Sent: Friday, December 05, 1997 6:47 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: sounds
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but I have a (actually 2) 394's but what or how
is a 2
> 1/2 exhaust and  pair of Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a
Hrdro-matic with
> a shift kit in it.   And is this worth doing to my '64 Dynamic 88?
>
> G
>
>
>
> At 06:36 AM 12/5/97 UT, you wrote:
> >
> >The sweetest sound on earth is a 394 Olds running 2 1/2 exhaust,
and a pair
> of
> >Smitties (15") with a H-Pipe and a Hrdro-matic with a shift kit in
it.  If
> you
> >have never heard this throbbing sound, you have missed a great
sound.  Even
> >though Caddy and Pontiacs sound OK, nothing compares.  Thanks for
listening.
>
> >Anyone out there got any 49 Olds 98 Parts?
> >----------
> >From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Chris Brown Witt
> >Sent: Thursday, December 04, 1997 7:58 PM
> >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself
> >Subject: sounds
> >
> >> Your absolutley right! The exhaust is without question, music in
itself!
> >> However, so far I've not been able to find it on CD.
> >
> >I have only Ford 5.0 (78) on tape...
> >================
> >Ya heard it here first, folks, a great money maker I thought up.
Every kid
> >these days has  too much stereo and a car w/ no cajones, right? So,
those of
> >us
> >with real motors can record Big Motor Sounds, squealing tires, all
that, and
> >sell the sounds to them guys! They can sound like a W30, Ford,
Chevy,
> >whatever,
> >just crank up the volume. Get pulled over- no problem officer, it
was just my
> >STEREO! Heh.
> >
> >--
> >Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca
[Lansing, MI]
> >*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>           \\|//
>           (o o)
>
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Gary M. Manton SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice         (602) 265-8585 - fax
> (888) 982-4079 - Pager
>
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
>
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
>
>
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