
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 5 1997     Volume 01 : Number 939



Re: 8 track tape player price?
Re: dash stuff
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: tire supplier
Re: Lansing Pictures
Re: Dashboard
74 or 75 HO f/s
Engine Replacement 1988 RWD cutlass coupe
Oldsmobiles
Oldsmobiles
DCM Impalas
200-4R differences
RE: Sams PhotoFact ?
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
Re: winterize
Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)
Re: trouble code scanner info
Re: winterize
Re: Knock Sensor
Re: dash stuff
Re: Need a part or two...
Cutlass/Regal seat swap
Re: dash stuff
Lansing Pictures & I'm Moving
UNBOUNCE: Lansing Pictures & I'm Moving
Re: 8 track tape player price?
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
Re: Dash Lights and Clock
Plane numbers and child seats...
Re: 8 track tape player price?
Re: 70 442 Exhaust
Re: Dashboard
Stolen 84 H/O
Re: Need a part or two...
High-Output Headlights
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Re: High-Output Headlights
RV: 
Re: Hubcaps
Re: Holley Carb.(my holley)
Re: dash stuff
Re: 8 track tape player price?
Re: dash stuff
Re: RV:
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Dash kits
Re: RV:
Lindberg W-30
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
Re: High-Output Headlights

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 10:18:41 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

At 08:20 AM 11/6/1997 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>   I am interested in getting some information as to what is a good or
>fair price for an 8 track tape player. I am looking at one for my 70 W31
>and the player I am looking at is in excellent conditon and works good.
>What would be a fair price?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Williams
>70 W31

I have one data point on this.  I have an AM/FM/8-track, factory original,
in my '75 Delta 88.  A guy at a car show told me that he wanted one for his
'75, and he paid about $300 for one that wasn't working.  He then paid
someone else to fix it up.  

Is the one you're looking at just an 8-track player, or is it a radio also?
 Is it an in-dash model, or was it aftermarket that you mount below the
dash?  

I would think that any factory-original, in-dash-mountable 8-track tape
player that works well and is in excellet condition could command a pretty
high price.  Is there an asking price on the one you're looking at?


Dan



*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 09:51:17 -0600
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@mailhost.rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

As a side question.  Can anyone tell me how to remove and replace this
part without damaging it or the dash?  My car is missing it and I'd like
to get one off of a doner car.

	mike

> I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
> Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
> them.
> 
> Any ideas?

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 09:48 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

> It's embarassing to be unsure of some of the names of folks right now, 2 
> months after the event... 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg,

I have to lay claim to the '66 442 that appears in picture #9, next to
Jim C.'s '67 W-30.  It also is shown in group shots #22 and #23.

It is my first car, purchased in 1982.  Sold in 1988, and repurchased in 1996.
Hopefully, never to be sold again.

I've never added myself to Bryceman's owner's registry, but it's great 
to see the car as photographed by others.  Thanks much!

Don't worry about missing a name or two, I don't post to often anyway.

Thanks Greg and Jason for brightening a cold cloudy Michigan morning.


Mike Turley    '66 442
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 10:04 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: tire supplier

> Speaking of Coker Tire, has anyone ever bought any SSI wheels from them?
> I'm considering the purchase of some since they make them in 15" sizes and
> was wondering about the quality of them and anything else I might want to
> know.  Also, are there any other companies out there that repro these in
> 15" sizes?
> 
> Thanks much,
>
> Tim Rudolph


My 14" SSI's came from Specialty Wheel in Oregon, $600 for 4.  I'm certain
that they can make them in 15", in fact, I believe they made Mark Cornea's
15" ones.

Mike Turley         '66 442
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 11:37:55 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

Mike Turley wrote:
> 
> Thanks Greg and Jason for brightening a cold cloudy Michigan morning.

Don't mention it!  I just finished putting your name on image 9...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:08:53 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dashboard

i have a good used dash pad for 68-69 cutlass ,  if interested email me back!
 or if you need the dash itself.     steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 12:10:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: 74 or 75 HO f/s

If anyone is seriously interested in a 74-75 Hurst Olds please 
Email me privately and let me know what to be looking for when
I go look at it and what price to be expecting.  This is not a car
that I am interested in, actually I have no more room right now
except for a 64 Cutlass Convert that I am looking to buy.  Pretty
bad to have an 8 car garage and only be able to fit  4 cars in it.

Anyway, the H/O is white, has what looks like the original wheels
on it, and has a W-30 emblem on the side..Let me know...TIM

ps  Im in the Midwest...Kansas City Area

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 11:25:52 -0600
From: "Training Center System 6," <S6@mspmac.org>
Subject: Engine Replacement 1988 RWD cutlass coupe

I want to put a 455 V8 with 400 transmission. I live in Minneapolis can
you help me

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 12:48:35 -0600
From: <jlullo@asd4kids.dupage.k12.il.us>
Subject: Oldsmobiles

I just want to make sure that my "subscribe oldsmobile" went through, and I was 
looking forward to contacting someone else with a 65 442 or 65 Cutlass parts/
drivers/show cars I also have a 66 442 hardtop   

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 97 12:51:21 -0600
From: <jlullo@asd4kids.dupage.k12.il.us>
Subject: Oldsmobiles

I just want to make sure that my "subscribe oldsmobile" went through, and I was 
looking forward to contacting someone else with a 65 442 or 65 Cutlass parts/
drivers/show cars I also have a 66 442 hardtop that I would part with for 
another 65 I can be reached at jlullo@asd4kids.dupage.k12.il.us   

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:05:47 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: DCM Impalas

As you probably have seen already, DCM stands for Dark Cherry Metallic. 
Yes it is very quick for a boat (4400 lbs and 14.72@94.0 in the 1/4) - even
though it is a Chevy.  Wish Olds still made a RWD V-8, I would buy it in a
minute.  Actually, I bought the SS to keep the miles off of my 1987 442.  I
like to keep the 442 to about 2,000 miles/year and last year I put 9,000 on
it.  I only have a 1-car garage so the 442 gets that spot.  Even though I
love the Impala SS and it will run circles around the 442, I still consider
the 442 my favorite vehicle and will never sell it.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:05:40 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: 200-4R differences

I am trying to find out what the different parts are between the BRF (Grand
National), KZF (442), and the Monte Carlo SS transmissions.  I found a
source of the complete parts listings for all 200-4Rs ever built. (Don't
ask me to reveal it or to get a copy - I can't)   I will try to find time
the next time I am at that source to do some checking on some of the
differences.  I do know that the 1-2  servo piston and cover are larger on
the GN vs the others, the valve body is unique for calibration, and the
separator plate has different sized holes.  I will keep the list informed.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:14:55 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Sams PhotoFact ?

On Wednesday, November 05, 1997 8:47 AM, Etzel, Bobby
[SMTP:Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com] wrote:
>> 
> I will go look at lunch and see if I can find the PhotoFact set for
your
> radio. I should be able to get close to the one you need.
> 
> Bobby
> 
> 70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past.

I found the PhotoFact set for the 69 Toro and Olds Wonderbar radio model
number 93EFW1 (7307813). I have a scanned picture of the radio if you
would like me to send it to you. I can also make a copy of the set and
send that by mail also. Mike F or Dr. Bob, if you would like a copy also
for the Toro list let me know.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:44:50 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

><<<< <<<< Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais

> Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new

> rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat

> my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 

>    >>

>

>stock motor, and yr killin the stangs?? remember that olds com when they said

>they couldbeat a 66 442, muscle car review tested and the66 wasted it. Im not

>mockin the yr rocket, but a stock front driver killing 5.0's, u must b one

>hell of a driver. I dont own 1, but i have a 69 mach 1 390. My buddy has an 86

>capri w/a turbo, it ran 13.1 about a month ago, it moves!!!!


Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no luck thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine little Q4 unless you count the limited production cobra. 

yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...


awaiting any challengers

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 13:47:57 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

><<<< Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais

>Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new

>rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat

>my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 

>  >>

>200k w/orig hoses??.hope u dont travel far from home...r those stangs the 81

>255ci type?? good luck w/yr olds........


OK rocket powr you seem to have some doubt here, i hope you catch a Q4 at a redlight one day...then you 'll be educated on the subject matter. no worries here i travel from 180miles to school mostly every weekend, and hoses are dated dec.1987 NO FEAR!

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:18:01 -0600 (CST)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: Re: winterize

>OK, its my first winter with my 70 442 convertible.  Anything special I
>should do to store it?  I have heard to put it up on blocks, keep the
>top up, keep the top down, start it once a month and let it run for a
>half hour and don't worry about it, fill the engine with an extra two
>quarts of oil, disconnect the battery.  ANy suggestions would be
>appreciated.
>
>Steven
>70 442 convertible
>93 SHO MTX (142 mph but only 220 hp - no nitrous)
>94 SHO ATX
>
>After taking a quick look at the local (wisconsin) forcast - I would
suggest the following remedy:

Carefully tie a snow shovel to the very front most portion of the vehicle,
making sure that the radiator is unobstructed.

Head to the closest blacktop road facing south, set cruise about 70MPH (top
down) and drive until you hear the words "what the hell is that thing tied
to the front of your car".

Having reached a destination that has never before seen a snow shovel, you
now can be assured you are in proper form to enjoy the next couple of months.

Keep the top down, cruise the olds, and think of us in the north.

The only thing that keeps me going up here is the sweet sound of my Chevy
truck rusting as it churns through the snow waiting for the day when the
olds will ride again.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 10:16:24 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: What is a DCM?  (Non Olds)

>Tony Waldner wrote:
>>
>> Steve Ochs has a 96 DCM Impala SS.  What does DCM mean?  I have never heard
>> of this.  Is Jason Labays car DCM?  Sorry about Non-Olds, but you guys are
>> my only source of info!  :)
>>  I like getting info on ALL cool cars!
>>
>> Thanks....
>> Tony
>>

OK... Now that this thread has completely degenerated...

DCM - Director of Civilian Marksmanship

BTW - They offer a class on high powered rifle for $35 at local gun clubs,
and use Garand M-1's. You get to shoot about $70 worth of ammo and get
certified to buy an army surplus M1 (ONE) at cost.


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:34:48 -0600 (CST)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: Re: trouble code scanner info

>At 07:26 PM 10/29/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>I'm looking for information on scanner for GM trouble codes and was
>>wondering if you have any reccomendations for low cost unit?
>>
>>What ever happened to a six pack and a screwdriver to trouble shoot GM?
>>
>>I know you can "flash" the code on the check engine light - but I want
>>something a little better than that.
>>
>>
>All I use is the little code key I bought at the parts house and a code book.
>I count the flashes and I have had good luck doing it this way.  It sure
>makes a lot of difference with all the new gadgets on the car s now days it
>gives you a place to start looking.  I am still learning this computer
>controol stuff myself.  I am glad I bought the book and key.
>
>
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d
>
>
>Thanx, I took your advice and bought the cheap unit to count the flashes so
at least I know what part to look for.

I thought by doing this I would have more $$ for 6 pak, but that was before
I paid $88 for an Oxygen sensor.........

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:56:38 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: winterize

Funniest post I've seen in awhile, (maybe with the exception of the
desert island saga).
I've seen at least two posts on the subject of winter storage,
however, and so far no serious response. I too will be storing my
conv. for the winter in an unheated garage and I guess I'm not sure
where to start either.
If anyone can give us first timers some serious tips, I'm sure it
would be appreciated by All.
TIA

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff & Patti Kobinsky <jkpkobin@discover-net.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 05, 1997 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: winterize


>>OK, its my first winter with my 70 442 convertible.  Anything
special I
>>should do to store it?
<Snip>
>>After taking a quick look at the local (wisconsin) forcast - I would
>suggest the following remedy:
>
>snip>

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 13:53:36 -0600 (CST)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: Re: Knock Sensor

>God, I'm glad I don't have all that electrical sh*t. Sorry, to me its 
>seems more work than its worth, but, I am sure they are alot more 
>efficient.
>
>
>> >My '86 442, 120,000 miles, doesn't burn oil( engine good shape, etc.)
>> >knocks in about the 1600-2000  rpm range.  This is most prevalent when hot,
>> >and the engine is under more load (A/C or a hill).
>> 
>> [snip]
>> 
>> >It has been suggested to me that the Knock Sensor (retards timing if
>> >knocking?) could be on the fritz.
>> 
>> The knock sensor is a piezoelectric element that essentially "listens" for
>> the frequency transients characteristic of engine detonation. If you are
>> experiencing audible knock, then the knock sensor/electronic spark control
>> module system is either not functioning properly or the degree of knock is
>> greater than the system can compensate for. Typically, the ECM can retard
>> timing as much as 20 degrees to eliminate knock.
>> 
>> Loss of knock sensor signal (broken wire) to the ESC or loss of ground at
>> the ESC module would cause the ECM to ignore knock. Loss of ESC signal to
>> the ECM, however, would cause the ECM to constantly pull back the timing
>> and should set a trouble code (43, I think). The actual knock sensor
>> elements themselves are pretty hardy.
>> 
>> I'd check the connection to the knock sensor and the grounding of the ESC
>> module. Also, might want to have a look at the vacuum lines to the exhaust
>> gas recirculation valve (EGR) and any associated wiring. Part throttle
>> knock is often caused by a stuck EGR valve. Yet another possibility is a
>> faulty coolant temperature sensor. If the sensor is off, the ECM will be
>> providing fuel/spark values for the wrong engine conditions.
>> 
>> Hope this helps...
>> 
>> Rich
>> 
>> -----
>> rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
>> http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker
>> 
>> 
>> 
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>
>I just went through this same crap with a code 43 from knock sensor.

I tried just about everything when it was suggested that I check the oxygen
sensor.

No trouble code from o2 sensor, but it was so crapped up that it gave false
fuel reading.

I replaced o2 sensor for $88, problems went away.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:16:33 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

At 09:40 PM 11/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
>Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
>them.
>
>Any ideas?
>

        Ken Reese of Specialty Olds in Wintewrhaven Florida has them. I
think they are about $38.00-$40.00.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 15:14:23 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Need a part or two...

>76' was the last year for the big motor in a wagon, when was the last 
>year for true dual exhaust and to the point, the last year for the dual 
>hump crossmember? I want to put duals on the 455 and would like to see 
>how well the early crossmember fits the newer car...

All true-dual exhausts from GM died off when the catalytic converter became
mandatory in '75, though I don't know if the big-cars carried them up
through then as an option or not. You could at least limit yourself to the
'67-'73 big cars (don't limit yourself to Olds; the Pontiacs, Buicks and
Chevys will also have them in the right width), and be likely to find a
dual-hump crossmember in one of those.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 14:18:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Cutlass/Regal seat swap

The driver's side seat in my '85 Cutlass Supreme is sprung.  A local
boneyard has a Regal of about the same vintage with a nice set of seats.
Since the Regal seat does not exactly match the Cutlass interior, I would
like to swap out the passenger seat and rear seat as well.   My question
is this:  Will the rear seat be a dierect replacement, or will I have to
do some modifications?  Also, will the carpet from the Regal fit in the
Cutlass?

Thanks in advance,

Tom

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:48:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

Yeah, I took mine off my previous cutlass (a '72) because it was broken.
To remove it all you have to do is pull carefully. It is held in by little
plastic funnels with spikes on them that fit into the holes in you dash.
Make sure you don't lose any of the plastic connectors when you remove it.
Anyway, it's not hard. Once you get one out the rest should pull out
easily. I hope we are thinking of the same part. Good luck finding one!


Pat
'68 Cutlass

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Mike Schlottman wrote:

> As a side question.  Can anyone tell me how to remove and replace this
> part without damaging it or the dash?  My car is missing it and I'd like
> to get one off of a doner car.
> 
> 	mike
> 
> > I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
> > Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
> > them.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> 

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 15:47:06 -0500
From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Subject: Lansing Pictures & I'm Moving

I stopped by the site to see the Lansing pictures.

Excellent!

That is me to the left in Image 5.

I see my blue 70 98 convertible made it into the group photo.

I'll be unsuscribing on Friday for a bit.  I quit my job at
General Dynamics Land Systems and am moving to San Jose, CA.  
My car and I have had enough of Detroit winters.  I'll
sign back up when I get out there.

I'm going to take the Southern route through Indy, Fort Worth,
Phoenix, and Santa Barbara, in the Olds.  Yeehaa!

I should have a pretty good tan by the time I arrive.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5129    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:14:30 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Lansing Pictures & I'm Moving

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Subject: Lansing Pictures & I'm Moving

I stopped by the site to see the Lansing pictures.

Excellent!

That is me to the left in Image 5.

I see my blue 70 98 convertible made it into the group photo.

I'll be uns*cribing on Friday for a bit.  I quit my job at
General Dynamics Land Systems and am moving to San Jose, CA.  
My car and I have had enough of Detroit winters.  I'll
sign back up when I get out there.

I'm going to take the Southern route through Indy, Fort Worth,
Phoenix, and Santa Barbara, in the Olds.  Yeehaa!

I should have a pretty good tan by the time I arrive.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5129    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 17:18:33 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

I paid $70 for my 8-track, out of a '68. It needed about $30 worth of 
repairs, mostly a cleaning and a new drive belt. 

I've seen refurbished ones advertised in the $150-$200 range.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 16:53:16 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________ 
66-67 Hood Hinges (nice sets)  $40.00 pr
66-67 400 4 bbl 4spd Air Cleaner unit (correct, top needs chrome) $45.00
67 400 442 #1111042 Distributor  $35.00
67-69 Power Antenna assm (nice, no switch)  $45.00
67-68 Big Cars AM/FM Stereo (nice, works well)  $95.00
64-72 330/350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
69-72 455 W/Z Exh Manifolds (very nice, no cracks or bad threads)  $250.00
69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00 
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
70-72 LH Fender (dimpled, nice)  $185.00
70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00 
67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea                             
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $50.00                                                   
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $10.00 ea
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 442 Grille w/Bar (nice)  $200.00
66 442 W-30 Core Support  (nice) $150.00
66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $500.00 pr
66  Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $100.00 ea, 190.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00 
66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $100.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00  
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $100.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
67 442/Cutlass Fenders (no rust)  $500.00 pr
67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $100.00
67-69  3 Spd. Auto Console (black, complete, nice)  $175.00
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $45.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $100.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (good)  $30.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $100.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (nice)  $110.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $175.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $25.00
68 AM Radio  $25.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr 
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr 

69 Cutlass/442
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $135.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $175.00
69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $35.00
69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $15.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $250.00 pr / $130.00 ea
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set                                 
68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $95.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $225.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $55.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $80.00 set
70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00 
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $115.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $55.00
70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea (backordered)
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea             
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $25.00 pr                                        
69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $25.00 pr                                        
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea                  
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $185.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $185.00
71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea 
71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $115.00
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr            

We will be at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th of November in Chesapeake VA.

* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
adjustments on prices without notice.

Jim Chermack
OCA #24275

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:39:34 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Lights and Clock

> As far as my stereo, I'm not sure what kind of spark plugs are in the
car. I
> just got it about a month ago and I just assumed it was a wiring
problem.
> How do I check them to see if they are the right kind?

The resistor plugs will have an "R" in the code at the... uh... front, I
think. (Jeez, it's been a long time since I changed plugs.) R46-TSX, for
example, just to make something up. You probably do have resistor plugs
already, but have a "noisy" (electrically speaking) component elsewhere
in the system, such as a whiny alternator, perhaps. I've seen a
capacitor hung on the fusebox pretty often which I always thought had
something to do with audio noise suppression. You can also put a choke
coil on the power lead to the radio which might help -- RatShack sells a
"radio noise suppression kit" which contains a bunch of bits like that
which you hang on various places in the electrical system, though I have
no first-hand experience on whether it works or not.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 16:57:00 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Plane numbers and child seats...

1) I have to fly to Detroit next Sunday on business. My United Airlines
flight number is... you guessed it: Flight 442. Ironically, when I
arrive, I am required to rent a Ford on this trip, since my customer
is... well, you can guess that one, too.

2) Has anyone tried to buy a child's booster seat recently to fit in an
older car? I'm finding that all the booster seats out there now seem to
require 3-point seat/shoulder belts to install properly.

This is a _booster_ seat I'm looking for, not an infant or toddler seat;
my son turned 4 recently and is too big for his old infant/toddler seat
which locks down via the rear seat lap belt. I want to get him a booster
seat that will let him sit up high enough to see out, but keep him in
the back seat. My wife's car only has lap belts back there, and it's a
wagon, so installing a tether for an upper mount doesn't look do-able. 

What I thought I could find would be a full seat with some side bolster
built in around the head and shoulder areas, so he wouldn't flop over
sideways if he falls asleep back there. I've found a couple, but both
had big nasty warnings that they were for lap and shoulder belt usage
only. Any ideas welcome...
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 18:26:53 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

Tom Williams wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>    I am interested in getting some information as to what is a good or
> fair price for an 8 track tape player. I am looking at one for my 70 W31
> and the player I am looking at is in excellent conditon and works good.
> What would be a fair price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Williams
> 70 W31
Tom: I got a real nice Olds tape player at Carlile for my 69 442 for $80
and was real pleased with it.  I think the prices was more than fair. 
Wayne

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:43:22 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 Exhaust

Hi,
     Thanks for the reply. I will probably get Fusicks system. I really like
them guys and they always treat me right.     Steve
1967 442
1970 442 
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:40:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Dashboard

I'm interested. What color is it? how much are you asking for it?


Pat
'68 Cutlass Supreme

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997 W30442CS@aol.com wrote:

> i have a good used dash pad for 68-69 cutlass ,  if interested email me back!
>  or if you need the dash itself.     steven.  w30442cs@aol.com
> 

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 20:12:31 -0500
From: "Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Subject: Stolen 84 H/O

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 97 20:22:00 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Need a part or two...

>>76' was the last year for the big motor in a wagon, when was the last 
>>year for true dual exhaust and to the point, the last year for the dual 
>>hump crossmember? I want to put duals on the 455 and would like to see 
>>how well the early crossmember fits the newer car...
>
>All true-dual exhausts from GM died off when the catalytic converter became
>mandatory in '75, though I don't know if the big-cars carried them up
>through then as an option or not. You could at least limit yourself to the
>'67-'73 big cars (don't limit yourself to Olds; the Pontiacs, Buicks and
>Chevys will also have them in the right width), and be likely to find a
>dual-hump crossmember in one of those.

Robert,

Dumb, dumb, dumb.... You know I knew that.... Sometimes, I think, as I 
get older that Altzheimers is setting in! I had a 75' Cutlass Salon once 
and I remember clearly that was the first year for the mandatory 
converter. I will start calling around for those big body crossmembers. 
I'm kind of excited about ground-breaking of my "Oldsmobuilding" and 
playing Dr. Olds with a heart transplant of one of these 455's in place 
of the 307 in the wagon...

Thanks,
Mike


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:32:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: High-Output Headlights

The other night I had to drive on the highway in a steady rain. I found 
it very hard to see, though I had a headlight out. As it turned out I 
didn't, but an examination of the sealed beams on the Delta showed I had 
one Wagner halogen low beam on one side, and what probably was an 
original non-halogen on the other. I decided to replace that one and went 
to the parts store.

When I got to looking around I discovered that in addition to the normal 
halogen sealed beams, GE makes a high-output unit that the box claims 
delivers up to 80% more light than regular halogens. Despite their high 
price (about twice that of a normal halogen) I decided to try a pair. I 
had a devil of a time adjusting them and I'm still not sure they're 
right -- they seem to have a different projection pattern than regular 
sealed beams -- but unless I still have them totally out of whack, I don't 
see much of an improvement. 

Maybe I'm just getting old or something and my eyes are less responsive 
than they used to be, but I'm wondering if anyone else has experience 
with these? Comments/opinions?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 18:38:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

I am sorry.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:46:54 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

Gilbert Russell wrote:
> 
> I sorry to report that my Olds has been stolen.  The thief removed it
> from the Philadelphia Airport parking garage on 4 November.  If anyone
> sees a fresh 84 H/O no dings or dents with a screw driver sticking out
> of the ignition, please report it to the police. The plate number is
> Delaware 34592 It could be any where in the tristate area DE/MD/NJ. 
> Pictures of it can be viewed at Bryceman's page.
> http://www.442.com/russell.html  I've trying to get used to the idea
> that I will never see it again, <sniff>

Man oh man. What a sad deal. I feel for ya, Gilbert. You put a lot of
your heart and money into it, and somebody just swiped when your back
was turned. It makes me wanna cry. If only the thieves knew how much you
loved that car, 'course they're probably all heartless b*st*rds anyhow.
They don't care. All they know is that they got a cool ride with a
boomin' system for nothin. Terrible. I hope you find it, or the police
find it, hopefully all in one piece.

Good luck,
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 20:56:40 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Yeah 


i tried the HO headlight...meaning i only replaced one, so i immediately recognized the difference.  It is a lot brighter when you compare a regular with the HO, and i had similair probs getting things adjusted.




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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:56:45 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RV: 

	I need to restore the original tires in my 1966 Delta 88 Hardtop Sedan. Actual are radials. Owners manual indicates 855-14.

	1. Any comments of radials vs. regulars?
	2. Which was the standard brand those days?
	3. Any brand suggestion today?

	I will appreciate very much any feedback.

	Raul

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:05:30 -0500 (EST)
From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Re: Hubcaps

I put the Cooper tires on my 66 Delta and had the whitewall cut to one 
inch.  They look good and provide a much better ride
Tom Adams

On Mon, 3 Nov 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> John Pajak wrote:
> 
> >      The current 215/75R14 tires are too short! I wish someone made a
> > TALL 14" radial! Please! Or I'll have to use the 15" wheels.
> 
> John,
> 
> Have you thought about the Cooper 225/14?  These cars really need a 235,
> but I put the 225s on my Ninety Eight back in the Spring and they are a
> big improvement over the 215s.  And their reasonably priced.
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> 
> If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
> 

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:26:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.(my holley)

i may not have worded it correct, but i do have a 650 cfm vacuum secondary
carb.  it's a spreadbore.  the part number is 0-9895.  it's a 4175 series.
 you are probabily looking at square bore carbs.  the one i have will bolt
directly on a stock quadrajet manifold.

mikey tvb@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:28:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: dash stuff

In a message dated 97-11-05 15:24:16 EST, you write:

> 
>  >I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
>  >Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
>  >them.
>  >
>  >Any ideas?
>  >
>  
>          Ken Reese of Specialty Olds in Wintewrhaven Florida has them. I
>  think they are about $38.00-$40.00.
>  
>  Jim Chermack
>  C&M Classic Parts
E&G Automotive  has them NOS for $55.00  only 5 left
1-401-435-7139
Rumford, R.I.

Everett  OCA#1961

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:42:54 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

Tom Williams wrote:

> Hi all,
>    I am interested in getting some information as to what is a good or
> fair price for an 8 track tape player. I am looking at one for my 70 W31
> and the player I am looking at is in excellent conditon and works good.
> What would be a fair price?
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom Williams
> 70 W31

Tom

I bought an NOS unit for my '67 a few years ago through Hemmings.  It
cost me $160 including shipping.  Every single part was there to install
it, and it works great.  Mine is only the second 8-track I've seen in a
full size '67, they seem to be rare, so I'd say the value of your unit
should be less, 'cause they're more plentiful.  'Course you also need to
take into consideration that there isn't a very big market for '67 full
size 8-tracks, but there is for Cutlass 8-tracks.  I sold one out of the
trunk of the car at the Atlanta Nats last year.  Don't even remember
what I got for it.  Maybe $100.  But it didn't have all the brackets and
nuts and things.  One thing to make sure of is that the case is not
broken at all.  Many of them are.  The unit in my '72 came from a
driving parts car, so there was no cost incurred on that one.  I bought
a pair of these some time ago, one in a broken case, one for parts.  Was
able buy a good case and that's the one I sold at Atlanta, after I got
the one from the parts car.  Don't remember what I paid for these, but I
think it was around $75-85 for both.  But remember, that case was
broken.  And I don't think either one worked real well either.

Paul 
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 21:52:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: dash stuff

> >  >I am looking for the chrome strip that goes around the dash on a 72
> >  >Cutlass.  So far Year one, Brothers and several others could not find
> >  >them.
> >  >
> >  >Any ideas?
> >  >
> >  
> >          Ken Reese of Specialty Olds in Wintewrhaven Florida has them. I
> >  think they are about $38.00-$40.00.
> >  
> >  Jim Chermack
> >  C&M Classic Parts
> E&G Automotive  has them NOS for $55.00  only 5 left
> 1-401-435-7139
> Rumford, R.I.
> 
> Everett  OCA#1961
> 
$55.00??!!! It's just a piece of plastic, man! I wish I could make my own
and sell them for $55 bucks. Then I could get my transmission leak fixed.
I'd look for a parts car.

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 21:59:23 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: RV:

Raul Martinez wrote:
> 
>         I need to restore the original tires in my 1966 Delta 88 Hardtop Sedan. Actual are radials. Owners manual indicates 855-14.
> 
> Hi Raul, that was the same size tire that was on my 1962 Starfire. I bought 
15" Crome Wheels and the tire size I used was 235/75/15..What a nice
ride and
what a differance in handling. It also stops much better now also. You
can see
the tires and wheels on my web page...Larry
             6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:02:11 -0500
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

Gilbert,

I live in the Philly area, I will keep my eyes open.  Sorry for the
news.

Jeff
'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 conv.

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:02:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Dash kits

Hey, does that stuff that fixes vinyl tears really work? I have a few up
on the dash. I always thought you needed a surgical laser scalpel to do
that kind of stuff.

Pat
'68 Cutlass S

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:04:32 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: RV:

Raul Martinez wrote:
> 
>         I need to restore the original tires in my 1966 Delta 88 Hardtop Sedan. Actual are radials. Owners manual indicates 855-14.
> 
>         1. Any comments of radials vs. regulars?

Stay with Radials.  Ride and handling with deteriorate greatly with the
use of bias-ply.  If you're not showing it for trophies, stay with the
radials.  If you are showing it for trophies, stay with the radials
anyway, as the few points that you will lose are not worth what you give
up in ride, handling, stability and safety.  I only recommend original
bias-ply tires for trailer queens.

>         2. Which was the standard brand those days?

Olds probably used Firestone, Goodyear, B.F. Goodrich and U.S. Royal
(Uniroyal).

>         3. Any brand suggestion today?

Cooper Trendsetters.  225/14.  I recommend them strongly.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:14:22 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Lindberg W-30

Was at a department store tonight looking at train stuff.  Turned around
and saw a Lindberg W-30 model on the shelf for $12.99.  It was the only
one, so I thought I'd better grab it.  Don't know why, I have put a
model together in years.  Took it to the register and it turned out to
be on sale for $10.39.  Didn't someone say a little while ago that there
was a defect in these somewhere?  I took notice that back end in kinda
flat instead of being a little pointed, is that it?  It's got Cutlass
Supreme emblems, is it supposed to?  It's a little more detailed that
what I expected, real "chrome" wheelwell moldings instead of having to
paint, separate exhaust, chrome molding for around the back window.  I
ought to have a real good time screwing this thing up.  Kinda makes me
mad that one of the tailight lenses is defective.  Hope you all come to
the funny farm to visit me.  That's where I'll be after I try putting
those dash decals in place...

Paint/interior suggestions?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'67 442 W-30 Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:31:54 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

><<<< Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais

>Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new

>rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat

>my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 

>  >>

>200k w/orig hoses??.hope u dont travel far from home...r those stangs the 81

>255ci type?? good luck w/yr olds........


OK rocket powr you seem to have some doubt here, i hope you catch a Q4 at a redlight one day...then you 'll be educated on the subject matter. no worries here i travel from 180miles to school mostly every weekend, and hoses are dated dec.1987 NO FEAR!

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Wed, 05 Nov 1997 22:32:02 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

><<<< <<<< Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais

> Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new

> rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat

> my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 

>    >>

>

>stock motor, and yr killin the stangs?? remember that olds com when they said

>they couldbeat a 66 442, muscle car review tested and the66 wasted it. Im not

>mockin the yr rocket, but a stock front driver killing 5.0's, u must b one

>hell of a driver. I dont own 1, but i have a 69 mach 1 390. My buddy has an 86

>capri w/a turbo, it ran 13.1 about a month ago, it moves!!!!


Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no luck thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine little Q4 unless you count the limited production cobra. 

yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...


awaiting any challengers

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 22:41:34 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

Hi Greg,

> When I got to looking around I discovered that in addition to the normal 
> halogen sealed beams, GE makes a high-output unit that the box claims 
> delivers up to 80% more light than regular halogens. Despite their high 
> price (about twice that of a normal halogen) I decided to try a pair. I 
> had a devil of a time adjusting them and I'm still not sure they're 
> right -- they seem to have a different projection pattern than regular 
> sealed beams -- but unless I still have them totally out of whack, I don't 
> see much of an improvement. 

I recently tried 2 pairs of these HO lights, and am impressed!  In one
particular car, the original headlights were aimed about 1/2 a turn
higher than factory; after installing the HO GE's, the range was  
closer to that of the high beams, so I'm contemplating backing down on the
adjustment.  The pattern doesn't appear to be different: a large
illuminated area without any obvious breaks in intensity.  The light
pattern is probably more of a function of aim rather than reflector lens
design.  'Normal' lamps like your old Wagner are only rated at about 30
watts, whereas these HO lights are close to 55 watts, the maximum
permissible for low beams (?).

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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