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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 26 1997     Volume 01 : Number 973



Re: car craft / metal thing
Chrome Bumpers
Re[2]: Winter Project Dreams
Re: '66 W-30
Hurst Hairy Olds (was: My Ignorance)
Re[2]: 2 bbl carb
Re: Oil Pan
A-body interchange and big brakes
Re: 2 bbl carb
JR Headers
Re: True dual Kits????
Re: JR Headers
Re: 2 bbl carb
Re: tranny question
Cams
64 Olds 88 For Sale
Re: Cams
Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers
Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers
Re: 2 bbl carb
Re: car craft / metal thing
Re: fastest Olds
Winter Project Dreams
Re: Chrome Bumpers
Re: Engine paint
Re: Power seats
Re: '66 W-30
My Olds made the cover, well almost
Re: Speedometer Gear
RE: Outsiders 2 Cents
Re: Winter Project Dreams
Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers
Re: Phantom 57
86-Sick
Re: Minor Things
Re: Wanted: 69 Cutlass Conv Interior
Re: Door Locks
RE: car craft / metal thing
SS3 Rims
Re: True dual Kits????
Please remove email address
Olds 307 Exhaust
Cutlass Speakers
On the way to Work...
Re: JR Headers
"98" tires
Re: "98" tires
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
Re: '65 400 Engine
70 OG vs OW tranny
Impulsive Decisions
RE: Leaking Tranny
Re: My Ignorance
Computer Time
RE: Outsiders 2 Cents
Re: Impulsive Decisions
car humor

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 04:52:29 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

> I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't include
> the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..

<<<Is this true.  I was under the impression that the 68/69 H/Os were the
fastest...

Chris Sparks>>>


That's what I thought also.  {Nice trivia question}  :)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:34:32 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Chrome Bumpers

Just got back my '68 442 rear bumper from Mike Aldana. Beautiful work, and
reasonable price. Am very satisfied.

CoupeKing

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 23:20:47 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Winter Project Dreams

Joe, thanks for the great response.

     Well, you apparently haven't seen my mea culpa yet...

I have located most of the stuff I would need if I need to do this... a
couple more questions though:

- - are kickdown cables available still, either new or repro? Or are we
talking junkyard parts?

     I guess I assumed you got one with the tranny.  Don't know if they
     are available.

- - on the shift detent plate, a proper one for a '68 would be tough to
find (I assume it would be out of a 4-4-2 or Vista with a TH400).

     Correct.  Ironically, my first car was a 68 VC which I converted to
     buckets and a console shifter.  Unfortunately, that car is long
     gone.

 Would other years fit, and/or do you think the existing one could be
altered to work? Keep in mind the '69 and later shift bowls were
bigger...

     That's why I specified a _68_ TH400 car, though I really don't know
     for sure that the plates are different.  Let me check the parts book
     to see if the detent plate has the same part number for 68 and 69.
     You realize, of course, that replacing the plate requires you to
     just about completely disassemble the steering column...  You begin
     to understand why my buddy decided to live with his.

Thanks in advance! :)

     Glad to help.  And thanks again to John Pajak for setting me straight
     on the cable attachment.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 23:27:50 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: '66 W-30

The December issue of "Old Car Trader" has a '66 W-30 for
sale...<snip>...there were only 54 W-30's produced in 1966. Think this could
be one of those "rarities"?

     Well, it's either that or one of the few Track Pack cars with the
     dealer-installed (or owner-installed) W-30 kits.

..I'd hate to hear the price on THAT one...

     Jim Stohlman here in Virginia recently sold _one_ of his 66 W-30s for
     something north of $40K.  He had the _other one_ at the Templeton Olds
     show recently.  I also got a chance to see 66 W-30 Number 4 at the Olds
     special display at Summer Carlisle.  Very pretty car.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 23:34:48 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Hurst Hairy Olds (was: My Ignorance)

Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

     It was a funny car build by Hurst in 1966 based on a 66 442.  The car
     ran dual supercharged Toro 425s and corresponding transaxles to
     provide four wheel drive.  The car was frequently photographed
     performing four wheel burnouts at the track.  The car was updated to
     67 442 trim and run that year as well.  The "Hairy" designation was
     apparently an apt description of the car's handling characteristics.

     An interesting bit of trivia on the car is that the car's tube frame
     was used as the radiator!

     And funny you should ask about the HHO; I managed to score one of the
     Monogram models of the car just this past Monday.  It's the 1995
     re-release, not one of the originals, but the hobby shop actually had
     two at $14.95 each.  There's still one left if anyone is interested.
     Let me know.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 97 23:41:34 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 2 bbl carb

> My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)...

     Boy, you know it's getting late when it takes me a second to realize
     that we're talking about a $33 _credit_ and not a 33.00:1 compression
     ratio :-)

     I was thinking that would make one heck of a diesel Olds motor!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:41:15 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Oil Pan

>>I'm assuming the Toro pan is on a Cutlass,88, or 98. If so you still
>>have to jack the engine to get the pan off. It's not hard though......
>- --
>No. Engine still in the Toro chassis, Toro's located in a swampier part
>of the parts yard. I'm hoping . . .

Wait a second, you're asking whether you can pull the pan off a Toronado
engine (still installed in a Toronado) without jacking up the engine?

Well, I've got good news and bad news for you:

The good news is that you don't have to worry about jacking up the engine.

The bad news is that you have to *pull* the engine entirely to get the pan
off of it. The transmission housing completely blocks the oil-pan bolts on
the driver's side; you can't even touch them with your fingers, never mind
with a wrench or socket.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:15:26 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: A-body interchange and big brakes

Has anyone run across this page in their web surfing?  I spotted it
tonight, it's called the chevelle online interchange manual.  Since the
Chevelle is an A-body much of the information should apply to cutlasses.
(cutlai?)

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/lonestarclassics/abodyinterchange.html

It goes into a list of the parts required for the 12-inch brake
conversion under the chassis section.  It's at:

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/lonestarclassics/chassis.html

It also links to a how-to page that was copied out of a Feb. 1993 issue
of "Petersen's Musclecar Restoration and Performance"

http://www.mich.com/~crescend/drm2dsc/


Just a bunch of great info that I'm not sure everyone knew about.  (BTW
it quotes the olds FAQ in a few places)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:06:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

>My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
>original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
>times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
>my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.

Wow, that's an option I had never considered. I guess if you've gotta save
that $33...

I'd imagine that the people who would go to such lengths would be very few;
that's probably right up there with the three-on-the-tree option in terms of
rarity (and right down there in terms of popularity and desireability).

I'm with you on this; I don't think you'll get any figures more precise than
a wild guess. So, here goes:

50?

234?

Those are my two best guesses. Neat, though, to have a car like that with
all the paperwork (and such low miles).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:12:42 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: JR Headers

I asked a while back about headers that would fit a late model Cutlass
(78-87) that fit in the engine compartment, as opposed to wrapping
around frame rail.  Someone said there was such a thing as JR Headers
that would work, did he or anyone else ever find the number or address
of that shop?  Is there anyone out there who has experience with
customize such a setup?

I just met someone who is going to swap a 455 for the present 307 in
his '82.  He said he bought a pair of Hookers at Ch*mpion (some of
them guys don't have a clue) auto stores for $175 that fit the task.
I told that such a thing didn't exist and after stopping in the store
to double check, I'm sure that he's going to have a lot of fun when he
attempts to install them.

Thanks for any help,

Jeremy "Squawk 'Em Off" Elder
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:26:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@cctr.umkc.edu>
Subject: Re: True dual Kits????

At 07:16 PM 11/25/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Thomas Martin wrote:
>
>> I am running a stone stock exhaust, the catalytic has been verified as
>> just fine, (I looked when I took it off!).  Is the factory exhaust very
>> restrictive?  It seems to be about 2.25 in pipe at best.  I am looking
>> at swapping in a dual exhaust, contemplating dual cats.
>
>1. Is there a company that make a "Cat-Back" exhaust system for the 87
>Cutlass wearing a 307 that is computer friendly?
>
>2. Is there a company that makes headers for the same car that "bolt
>in"??? <HG> That are oxygen sensor geared?
>--
>                 Jerry Christopher
>     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______
>
Jerry,
The local Super Shops here in KC said they could get headers for my 307 made
by Flowtech? for $90.  They said no exhaust from the headers back is
available and would have to be custom made.  However you could buy an
exhaust for a 442 which is a dual after the cat and should bolt right up.
You could also check into exhausts for other g-bodies, Monte Carlo, Buick
although the headers wouldn't fit you could use the other stuff like pipes
and mufflers. Good luck. Oldsmobile Forever!

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:01:15 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: JR Headers

At 11:12 PM 11/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
<snip>
>I just met someone who is going to swap a 455 for the present 307 in
>his '82.  He said he bought a pair of Hookers at Ch*mpion (some of
>them guys don't have a clue) auto stores for $175 that fit the task.
>I told that such a thing didn't exist and after stopping in the store
>to double check, I'm sure that he's going to have a lot of fun when he
>attempts to install them.

To be honest, Hooker lists a set of Engine swap headers for a 400-455 in
years 78-87.  Part number in here is 3203 if it helps.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:18:42 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> > My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> > original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
> > times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
> > my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
> > (Almost any advice that is...)
>
> Don't know about this one.  It seems odd that one would trade the
> economy of the quadrajet for a two bubble.  I guess to each his own.  I
> think that could be a rare item there.  I haven't seen ANY 72 2-bbl
> supremes.  I don't know if they kept track of that kind of credit item,
> but like I said, it's rare to be sure.  Almost like those radio and
> heater deletes for other years.  Not a whole grunch of those were
> ordered either.
>
> Mike Rothe

My 72 S has a two barrel on it also.

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:26:32 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: tranny question

>Beverley Horn wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> Sorry bout that. I was in a hurry. I meant Muncie 4-speed. Anyway, is a wide
>> ratio ok for street/ and weekend strip racing?
>
>Yeah, I guess it could be. Better put some more heavy duty parts in it
>first before you start yankin on it pretty hard.
>
What kind of heavy duty parts?
Shayne Horn.
'70 Rallye 350
'85 442

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:28:29 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Cams

Hey All,

How Much horsepower and tourque does a cam for street/strip add? I want to
add one to a 403 or a '70 Rocket 350. Any suggestions on what cam I should
use? Brand?

Shayne Horn
'70 Rallye 350
'85 442

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:31:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Benton3@ix.netcom.com
Subject: 64 Olds 88 For Sale


Hello All!

    1964 Olds 88, 80% restored w/many extra parts.
  Original owner passed away before restoration completed. Car located in
Lompoc, CA.
  Daughter would like to have car go to someone who cares. Problem! She lives 
in
Alaska!
  I have talked to her and have received a 4 page inventory of spare
new/used/refurbished parts including original headliner(2 rolls) and
upholstery material, rubber mouldings/seals
 and some 63-64 F-85 parts.
    I would be happy to h*lp any way I can, but I live in N.Calif. some 4-5
hours away.
 If you like to know more about this vehicle or the parts included, please
E-mail me at: Benton3@ix.netcom.com



Don Smith
OCA ª17788

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 01:31:33 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Cams

At 11:28 PM 11/25/97 -0700, you wrote:
Shayne

        This is a complex item to select for your engine. Lots of factors
will input into the cam you select. Here are a few considerations:

Daily Driver or Not
Most Horsepower or Economy
Rear Gear
Automatic or Manual Trans
Tire Size
Other Engine mods
2 or 4 bbl
Dual exhaust or headers
Price
How many miles are on the engine your putting the cam in
What RPM does most of your drivng occur
Etc.........
        It's not as easy as just asking someone their opinion. Call a cam
compnay and discribe your vehicle to them and they will steer you in the
right direction.

Jim Chermack



>Hey All,
>
>How Much horsepower and tourque does a cam for street/strip add? I want to
>add one to a 403 or a '70 Rocket 350. Any suggestions on what cam I should
>use? Brand?
>
>Shayne Horn
>'70 Rallye 350
>'85 442
>

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:41:18 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers

>I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
>am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
>
>1. FRONT Speakers....  How do they come outta their little hiding
>hole???
>
>2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
>6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
>a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone with
>experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand...
>
>I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
>impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
>something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels without
>dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>
>
>I currently run a Kenwood CD Player and love it...  Any ideas would be
>appreciated.....
>--
>                 Jerry Christopher
>     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
> ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______
>

Hey Jerry,

I have an 1985 Cutlass 442. I have 2 10-inch sub-woofers, an amp running
them, and I also have 3" speakers in the front and 6x9's in the rear. The
6x9's are Pioneer, and my deck is a Panasonic Rebel Gear Deack. This system
is GREAT for all round sound. It has just the right amount of base (not too
much) and the 6x9's are perfect. The 3" tweeters in the front add to the
overall sound quality. I recommend it to you very much. It also won't creep
into your wallet to bad. If you would like more info on it then you can
e-mail me.

Shayne Horn------ bhorn@tnc.com
'70 Rallye 350
'85 442

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 23:49:06 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers

>I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
>am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
>
>

Hey Jerry,

I have an 1985 Cutlass 442. I have 2 10-inch sub-woofers, an amp running
them, and I also have 3" speakers in the front and 6x9's in the rear. The
6x9's are Pioneer, and my deck is a Panasonic Rebel Gear Deack. This system
is GREAT for all round sound. It has just the right amount of base (not too
much) and the 6x9's are perfect. The 3" tweeters in the front add to the
overall sound quality. I recommend it to you very much. It also won't creep
into your wallet to bad. If you would like more info on it then you can
e-mail me.

Shayne Horn------ bhorn@tnc.com
'70 Rallye 350
'85 442

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 02:09:37 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> >original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
> >times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
> >my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
>
> Wow, that's an option I had never considered. I guess if you've gotta save
> that $33...

I know there's a 4-door cutlass supreme in the local yard that has a
2bbl carb.  The vista cruiser has a 2bbl too.  The `71 engine in my 67
cutlass supreme is, you guessed it, a damn 2bbl.  I was under the
impression that they were regular wooden nikels.  Took me about 2 years
just to find my 4bbl non-egr intake in a yard.

> I'd imagine that the people who would go to such lengths would be very few;
> that's probably right up there with the three-on-the-tree option in terms of
> rarity (and right down there in terms of popularity and desireability).

Yeah, I doubt many were special ordered.  I'll bet that 2-bbls were on
most of the cars that were shipped to the dealer with a few of the more
popular options for folks who just walk on the lot and buy one of the
cars there.  (forget what they're called)  That type of person usually
doens't care if it has a 2 or 4bbl......"Just as long as it's
blue/white/red/whatever, has AC, and gets me there."  That way the
factory saves $30 by getting rid of a feature that the buyer won't
notice or care is missing.  I'm pretty sure my Vista Cruiser was one of
thoes cars.  It just has AC, power rear window, third seat, tinted rear
glass, and AM radio for options.  The rest is pretty mundane; 3.08 open
diff., 2bbl 350 with single exhaust (has duals now) saddle vinyl &
carpet interior, crank windows, etc.


Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:16:10 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing

Hey, this same object confused me on my (previously owned) 78 350.
Do the people on this computer-thing collectively know everything?


On Tue,
25 Nov 1997, Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> I don't know who they have making these lists at Car Craft, but they
> should employ individuals with better knowledge. Not only are some of
> the candidates questionable, but a lot of the specifications on the cars
> are incorrect. (including the Rallye 350)
>
> The 'metal strap' you are referring to is (or at least I've been told)
> an engine hoist strap. They must have used this thing forever as my
> uncle's (soon to be my brother's) '85 Cutlass 307 sports the same piece.
>
> Brent Pinkstaff
> '70 Cutlass S
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:40:09 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: fastest Olds

I believe that a 409 powered 87 Cutlass is faster than all those old-guy
cars!

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, W-MACHINES wrote:

> Mr. Heinrich:  Now you've *really* started something.  Incoming!
> Oh, by the way, you're 100% correct.  Let me be more specific, a '66 W-30
> F-85 Club Coupe.
> Boy I'm glad *I* didn't start this!
>
> Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
> '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
> '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo
>
> ----------
> > From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing
> > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:32 PM
> >
> > PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't
> include
> > > the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..
> >
> > Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> > 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:46:42 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Winter Project Dreams

Not to make anyone envious or anything, but it was 71 degrees at 11:00
tonight here in Tucson.  It's predicted that we will get some snow here in
2017.  I just moved here from Philly and I'm loving it.  the dragstrip
here does close for winter, but that's from about Dec. 18th to Jan. 18th!


Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:44:14 -0800
From: camenz@internet-australia.com (camenz)
Subject: Re: Chrome Bumpers

G'day!!!

Glen from Australia here again.....just got my front bumper back for my
1973 Buick Electra from Fallshores in Sydney. They stripped it, repaired
it, replated it with Duplex Nickel, then Chrome. An absolutely perfect
finish costing $450 Australian dollars ($325 US).

We aren't allowed to use copper as a base for chrome plating anymore
Down Under. It's harmful for the environment or something so it has been
outlawed. Some people still do it though. Is it still allowed over there
in America??

Glen Camenzuli

1973 Buick Electra Limited 455
1958 Buick Roadmaster 364


COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Just got back my '68 442 rear bumper from Mike Aldana. Beautiful work, and
> reasonable price. Am very satisfied.
>
> CoupeKing

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:28:01 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine paint

Clay V Merenuk wrote:
>
> I have a 69 442 convertible.  I know the engine is painted Olds Bronze.
> What is the correct color for the air cleaner, Alt. brackets, etc.?
> Is there a book with this info.?
> Has anybody come across a dual snorkel air cleaner in a non-Olds
> car?  A friend of mine said he came across one in a Grand Prix early
> model.
>
> Clay
> 69 442 convertible
Clay....my cleaner is orange/red in color.  Don't know the exact color
code.  The brackets were black and I repainted them with
Tremco...probably not too original.  I have seen GM dual snorkel
cleaners at flea markets.  Told they came off Pontiacs...Trans Ams I
think ...around 19970.  Maybe someone else has the exact details.  Wayne

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:20:58 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Power seats

Clay V Merenuk wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> Did you get the info on the power seats.  I sent it monday night
> 11-24-97.
> I picked up e-mail tonight (Tues.) and didn't see it on the list.
>
> Clay
> 69 442 convertible
Clay.....can you send it again...try wschwart@iaw.on.ca     Thanks
wayne

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:33:19 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: '66 W-30

All this talk of '66 W30s got me to reminiscing.  A guy in nearby Terre
Haute used to have one the original 54 cars.  He had owned it for a long
time and he raced it on a regular basis.  Last summer whle talking Olds
with another racer, I asked if he knew whatever had become of that car.
It turns out that the owner had been hounded by some guy from California
to sell it for a number of years.  The owner finally put a price on it
and the guy from California bought it.  The car was treated to a
restoration and painted black.  It had been silver while here in
Indiana.  The now former owner never told what price he got out of the
car, but he did go out and get himself an alcohol funny car afterwards.
Of course all of this took place when the musclecar market was at it's
peak.  Needless to say, a '66 W-30 would still be expensive to buy, but
certainly a good value for a piece of history.

I'm glad this is my Friday,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 06:43:12 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: My Olds made the cover, well almost

I recieved my copy of the Olds paper/magazine that OCA members have been
getting from Oldsmobile.  On the cover was a picture of the cars on the
bridge in Lansing.  If you look real close you can see some of my
Sebring Yellow through the open hood of a tourqoise W car.  The guy
wearing the H/O jacket is looking at my car.  The same picture inside is
larger and you can see the details better.  This is probably the only
time I will ever get a car on the cover of any magazine.

Also on the inside there is a section with copies of notes sent to this
list form myself and four other list members.  Unfortunately my brain
can not seem to remember all of the names at this early hour, so I will
not try to list them, only to leave someone out.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:33:02 -0800
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re: Speedometer Gear

Thanks Todd, that's just the information I needed.  I will get it done
this weekend (hopefully).

Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov

'77 Cutlass 442
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:42:02 -0500
>From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
>Subject: Re: Speedometer gear

>Pull your current speedo gear, count the teeth and go to the dealer for >a new
gear with 33.59% more teeth. Assuming your original speedo was >reading
correctly.  This is a 5$ part.


>>Does anyone still have the chart for the correct speedometer gear for
>>various rear end ratios?  I just switched my rear end from 2.56 to 3.42
>>and my speedometer is turning over.  Tires are about 26" diameter.  Any
>>leads would be helpful.

>Todd Morris
>71 442

>------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 22:00:24 -0500
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: RE: Outsiders 2 Cents

 > The overall tone of the list (with some exceptions)
 >seems to be "hey dummy, why'd you do that!" or "that's was stupid, my way
is
>better".  I feel I'm way under car educated to even post a question,

>Tom Starkey
>'68 Olds Cutlass Supreme (I even love saying it!)

To the List:
I think that some people should take this as a wake up call, and adjust the
tone of your responses.

To Tom:
You may not realize this, but some of these people have 'known' each other
for quite a while, and to them,  some of this is friendly rivalry, and as
for the rest of it...... do like I do. To hell with em! Ask the questions
anyway, regardless of the tone of some of the replies, the rest of us will
gladly answer in a courteous manner.

To Greg:
RE: The Quad 4 thread.  Bounce one of those boneheads and make an example of
him, and see how long the rest of them keep it up.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:06:09 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Winter Project Dreams

Ray,

It sounds like south Texas weather.  At 530 this morning it was 69 degrees 
here.
Our last night for 97 is Dec 20th and our first night for 98 is Jan 3rd.
Thats one thing that is nice about the southwest.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR  307 o/d

At 07:46 AM 11/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Not to make anyone envious or anything, but it was 71 degrees at 11:00
>tonight here in Tucson.  It's predicted that we will get some snow here in
>2017.  I just moved here from Philly and I'm loving it.  the dragstrip
>here does close for winter, but that's from about Dec. 18th to Jan. 18th!
>
>
>Ray in the desert
>87 409 Cutlass
>
>
Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/D 2.56's
San Antonio

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:17:46 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers

I have an 1985 Cutlass 442. I have 2 10-inch sub-woofers, an amp running
them, and I also have 3" speakers in the front and 6x9's in the rear.
The 6x9's are Pioneer,

!!!!!!
Question! How do you get the 6x9s in the back deck? I thought the rear
openings are 4x10 in the G body cars. I need new speakers in my 86 and
if the 6x9s could be installed ~easily~ I'd do it!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:23:37 -0500 (EST)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Phantom 57

In a message dated 97-11-25 21:39:03 EST, you write:

<<
 There is a picture on Drew Senko's site of the car I think everyone
 has been talking about.
 http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/lansing/57.jpg
  >>

   Yes I believe this is the car Greg is talking about. That 57 4dr next to
it is from Findland and he brought it over the show. He uses it daily to
comute to work.
  Also on Drews site is a picture of an 87 burning rubber, that car belongs
to Allen Wong from  Hawaii, he brought that over for the Celebration.


Everett  OCAª 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 05:33:17 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: 86-Sick

    More problems!
     I've got an 86 Supreme with an earlier TH350 (was TH200). It's a
non lockup version. Sometimes, when I come to stop and then take off
again, the trans thumps almost as if I had done a 'neutral drop'. The
trans has about 20K on it and has worked OK till now. The fluid level
is correct. I am running a downshift cable and bracket from a 77 Delta
88.
     Also, I just figured out why my Service Engine Soon light is on.
I cracked the error code and it's the dreaded "21"....TPS (Throttle
Position Sensor! Is that a dealer-only item? How hard is it to change?
I'm comfortable with earlier Qjets but have never worked on a computer
version :)
     The cruise control has also stopped working but that problem can
wait. I was lucky enough to find a Chassis Service manual so that
should help!

TIA

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:34:10 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Minor Things

   i'm in atl,ga  where are you ?
   i've got all sorts of parts mostly 70-2 cutlass  thanks olds guy..

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:40:54 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wanted: 69 Cutlass Conv Interior

   dave may have these he's in Ga   call  at 770   975-0808
 or call olds guy 770 723-9345
  thanks....

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:42:34 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Door Locks

 i may have a set of door locks with matching ign sw   olds guy ga......

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:48:42 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: car craft / metal thing

I just saw this article yesterday, but I didn't buy as my lunch
companions were in a hurry. I don't regret buying it now, now that I
know more about the comparison. Remember that these publications thrive
on sales and that most everything they put into those magazines are
there to sell the publication. When talking about our muscle car era,
there's only some much one can cover on the subject. If you've noticed
many of the articles criteria have been done in the past, only this time
a different author, different car, but for the most part same topic.
Don't you get that feeling, especially after reading 1-2 years worth of
these mags. Don't get me wrong, sometimes they do report new innovations
and different ideas but for the most part is the same-old-same stuff.
Before I buy one of those mags I tend to flip through it first and see
if anything interests me.

And yes that metal loop was put there as a means of hoisting the intake
on the engines, that's all.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu[SMTP:PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 4:05 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: car craft / metal thing
>
> I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't
> include
> the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..
> instead they included the rallye 350?  Don't get me wrong, rallye
> 350's are
> cool, but they're just cutlasses with stickers...
>
> On a completely unrelated note, I have a 72 cutlass supreme w/ the
> 350, and
> on the front portion of the intake manifold to the right of the carb
> (if you are standing in front of the car looking at the engine) there
> is
> a metal loop attached to the manifold that kind of looks like a coil
> strap,
> but it's not the coil strap since that's behind the carb- so what the
> heck
> is that thing for anyways?
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:45:25 -0500
From: Miguel Morales <miguel.morales@mci.com>
Subject: SS3 Rims

I thought I saw an ad in JWO in the last two issues for somebody selling
a full set of rims. Since my Hurst/Olds was recently recovered stolen,
could anybody with the phone number please email it to me so I can get
these. I cant seem to find my last few issues.

Here's some detail on what my car looked like after I recovered that car
last Friday. It had been gone since Nov. 13th.:


> The car's back, basically in one piece with a few scrapes around the
> front
> bumper and some scratches near the trunk where they stripped the
> stereo.
> Incidentally, looks like my homeowners will not cover these car-only
> stereos.
> Now there's a distiction between adaptable-power accessories and
> car-designed
> electronic equipment.
>
> Well anyway, they took a joyride, I've got two ugly wheels on the
> passenger side
> with no rubber left to speak of and probably one wobbly SS rim in the
> trunk.
> There's one missing that's presumably toast, probably the rear one
> since I think
> the one in the trunk is from the front. I haven't looked at the tire
> size. I run
> 215-65's in front and 235-60's in  rear. My wife told me that the
> driver side
> front SS looked a little shaky but I haven't looked at it closely, I'm
> having
> trouble dealing with this as it is. They popped the sheet metal up
> behind the
> passenger seat running over something  and there's some glass and
> paint dents
> near the driver side door. The ignition was popped-out and the cover
> around the
> steering column was shattered making a hole about 3 inches in diameter
> where I
> currently stick a screwdriver to start the car. The trunk lock was
> popped-out as
> was my lock on the gas-cap. But the thieves didn't make off with my
> t-top covers
> and I ended up with a brand-new Interstate battery. The chrome
> air-filter is
> still there too but I don't think these guys were looking for car
> parts.
>
> I'm going to need:
>
> A full set of rims which I may get from JWO ads. This may leave me
> with one that
> I can use as a spare since this rim might be the only staight one left
> with no
> scratches on it.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:45:32 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: True dual Kits????

TorqueTech in Valdosta , GA makes an outstanding mandrel bent 2 1/2 and 3
inch catback and true dual system for both A and G body cars...
1-800-408-0016 or 912-241-1563

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:54:47 -0600
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: Please remove email address

Please remove the email address LFrick@fibersystems.com from your
broadcast.  The individual who had this address is no longer employed at
Fiber Systems.

Thank You,
JSchaefer@fibersystems.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From:OldsGuyGA@aol.com [SMTP:OldsGuyGA@aol.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, November 26, 1997 7:43 AM
> To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:Re: Door Locks
>
>
>  i may have a set of door locks with matching ign sw   olds guy
> ga......

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:08:12 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Olds 307 Exhaust

Message text written by Jerry Christopher
>1. Is there a company that make a "Cat-Back" exhaust system for the 87
Cutlass wearing a 307 that is computer friendly?
<

If you want a long lasting, aluminized, cat-back dual exhaust system, go
with the 1985-87 Olds 442 exhaust.  The price is about $260 from the dealer
and is the factory system with aluminized piping.  The mufflers are very
small and free flowing (actually called resonators in the books).  I don't
have the part numbers handy right now but I believe the muffler/tailpipe
assemblies are :LH muffler/tailpipe asm. a 22526205 and RH a 22526204.

These flow very well and were also used on the Buick GNX Turbo.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:08:26 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Cutlass Speakers

Message text written by Jerry Christopher
>I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.

1. FRONT Speakers....  How do they come outta their little hiding
hole???<


The front speakers are held in with small Torx or 9/32 screws.  You have to
use a socket or a bit on a 1/4" ratchet to get these out.  The grills just
pop off.  Very easy to change.

I put new speakers in my 1987 442 and still retain the stock Delco UX1
AM/FM Cassette w/Equalizer.  I used Cerwin-Vega 6x9 3-way in the rear (with
adapters) approx. $150/pr - really makes the Delco head unit come alive.
Up front I used Blaupunkt 3.5" round 2-way which adds the spatial depth to
the front.  Aproxx. $59/pair  Both purchased at Best Buy (all disclaimers
apply)

These speakers work very well with the 22 watts/channel from the stock
Delco but with T-tops, I needed a little more umph when I have the tops out
on the highway.  I picked up a Pioner 75 watt/channel amp that handles the
Delco floating ground high level inputs. This amp drives rear speakers only
and the Delco drives the front.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:15:28 -0500
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: On the way to Work...

I travel about 40 minutes to work each day on the typical large suburban
freeway (I-480 in Cleveland) and I came upon a Statie parked behind an
83ish Cutlass on the side of the road. As I happened by, a guy was cranking
the Cutlass onto a Jerr-Dan (moving flatbed) truck. Seems like the car
must've died sometime during the evening commute the night before and, due
to it resting on nothing more than four jackstands, it had all its wheels
stolen! Hate to think a misguided Olds fan took the factory mags for their
own use, but this is what comes to mind. Maybe they thought it WAS dead and
were merely rescuing the wheels from the boneyard (where proper Olds fans
go for wheels). Welp, I'd like to think all parties involved were thankful,
the Olds owner for the years of meritorious service the Olds provided, the
"wheel remover" for finding a set of "free" mags to display on his
pride-n-joy Olds, and the Statie for getting a hazard off the road (and
probably writing the owner a citation for abandonment!)

Personally, I'm thankful for my family, friends, health, etc.
Hope everyone has a pleasant holiday, Thanks for your entertaining and
informative comments on this list.



Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:33:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: Re: JR Headers

The problem I have is that the 3203's are 1 7/8" headers with one of
the runners coming around the frame rail so there labeled as "comp
only"  I'm looking for some that won't restrict me from running on the
street.  Maybe it isn't possible to cram all that in the engine
compartment.  Besides that the 3203's cost $375!!  The guy I talked to
a Ch*mpion couldn't even list the 3203's and I know they wouldn't have
been selling them for $175.

Jeremy "Squawk 'Em Off" Elder
'82 Cutlass, 455
'86 Cougar, 302

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:53:20 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: "98" tires

will 235/75-15 tires fit on a '70  "98"?

thanks

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:01:33 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: "98" tires

- ---Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net> wrote:
 will 235/75-15 tires fit on a '70  "98"?

 thanks

!!!!!!!!!
Yes! That is the size that equates to the original L78-15s :)

===
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Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 09:56:35 -0800
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Jerry Christopher wrote:
>
> I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
> am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
>
> 1. FRONT Speakers....  How do they come outta their little hiding
> hole???
>
> 2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
> 6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
> a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone with
> experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand...
>
> I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
> impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
> something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels without
> dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>
>
> I currently run a Kenwood CD Player and love it...  Any ideas would be
> appreciated.....
> --
>                             Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__,         1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

- ------------

First, nobody makes a 3.5" dash speaker that really screams! If you make
it scream, it won't last for long. Go with a good component speaker
system, Put a 1" tweeter in the dash and a  5.25" woofer in the door. MB
Quart / Boston Accustics / ADS, all make good 2-way systems. Be sure to
use a crossover, drive them with plenty of power. This is where you'll
get your stereo image from,.also low bass doesn't belong in the front.
Remember, a well designed system will give you a sense of depth, by
puting the sound stage well in front of the listener, not just loud
music from the rear deck. So, don't cut corners in the front. As for the
6x9 question, a 2-way plate speaker installed from under the deck is the
way to go. As an example, in my system, the total power is only around
620 watts into 4 ohms, front 1" tweeters get 60 each/door 5.25" 120
each/and the two rear deck drivers only get 30 watts each! The remaining
200 watts goes into 4 10" sub-woofers connected in series/parallel.
Maybe your experience with the 10" spooked you, but that is the best all
round driver, in a sealed cabinet it'll give you the low rumble and the
snappy punch that makes your hair stand.

If you can still find them, the GM dealer can order you "Concert Sound"
speaker grills from a late 80's Regal. They fit the lower door panel of
any late 80's CUTLASS/M*n*e/R*g*l/G*a*d P*i* perfectly, and look
factory. Best of all, they were available in all GM interior colors! If
your dealer says no good, start looking in the bone yards. Let me know
the color of your interior and I'll poke around here. These grills will
house a 5.25" driver nicely in the factory location, without disturbing
the power window motor.

If you want more "how-to" info & pics, e-mail me on the side and I'll
forward you some installation shots and frequency crossover specs.

HAPPY TURKEY DAY !

- --

Bill !

1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                     _           _       ___
     Mobile Electronics Show Car    /  |        /  |    / ___ \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial ª 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
1993 Oldmobile Bravada 4 X 4                 |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34

* * * * * * * * *
* COMMING  SOON *---------> www.3STICKS.com
* * * * * * * * *

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 11/10/97)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:00:58 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 400 Engine

Keep in touch.
Peter
310.519.7554
CoupeKing@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:01:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Djbrand407@aol.com
Subject: 70 OG vs OW tranny

Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the " OG " and " OW "
transmissions. The " OW " is the code for the W-30 tranny. I'm wondering what
the operational or technical difference is.

Thanks  Dennis - (Looking to buy a 70 W-30 conv)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:08:39 -0000
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: Impulsive Decisions

Wow!

It appears buying this '68 Cutlass wasn't the only thing I did impusively, 
looks
like I made a wrong impulsive opinion of the list.  I got to thinking about 
this
last night, it's the old saying about how negatives stick with longer than
positives (kinda like my ex-wife!).  I have gotten alot of good information 
from
the list.  The questions will start flying!

I'll start with one now, is there anything unique or special about a '68 
Cutlass
Supreme I can share with others?  I was stopped at a gas station the other day
by someone who admired my car, but I really didn't have much to tell him about
it.

Thanks Again!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:17:35 -0000
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: RE: Leaking Tranny

- ----------
From: Robert Barry[SMTP:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu]
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 9:33 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents


>By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Well, my '69 Toro might as well have *no* front seal on the intake manifold,
the way that oil pours down the front of the engine when I'm driving it...

BTW, where's your tranny leaking, front or rear? The rear seal isn't too big
a job to replace; just the front one is tough.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

I wish I knew were the leak is coming from! I replaced the pan gasket.
Everything under there is so oil saturated its hard to tell.  I called around 
to
find out what it would cost to get the thing rebuilt and I was quoted 
everything
from $450 to $700.  One place had a suggestion, since the transmission works
fine, they suggested just a seal kit (about $125) plus labor. I think I'd like
to try and change the seals that don't require dropping the transmission, but I
don't know if this is worthwhile or not, hence my studying the FAQ. Any
suggestions?

Thanks!
Tom S.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:19:42 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: My Ignorance

Edward J. Hufnagel wrote:
>
>      Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?

It is a Oldsmobile with a hormone problem. :-) :-)  Seriously it was
a phrase coined for Hurst/Olds vehicles since these cars were real
brutes.  Sort of a "Hairy" brute.

That is my best interpretation.


Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:25:09 -0000
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: Computer Time

I know it's still reading 1993, I think all that transmission fluid ran into my
laptop!  Guess I shouldn't read FAQ while I'm under the car!

Tom S.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:30:43 -0000
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: RE: Outsiders 2 Cents

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Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 12:34 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Outsiders 2 Cents

> By the way, MY car can leak tranny fluid faster than any of yours!

Does it beat my old car's record of a Quart every 2 days?  Mine leaked
in the front, in the back, on the sides, outta the pan you name it....
Even the pan had a little pin hole in it...  Kind cool when you had it
idling..
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I think I'm REAL close!  I haven't been measuring how much fluid, just how many
bags of Kitty Litter it takes to soak up all the fluid!

Tom S

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 07:37:20 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Impulsive Decisions

Tom,

> I'll start with one now, is there anything unique or special about a
> '68 Cutlass Supreme I can share with others?  I was stopped at a gas
> station the other day by someone who admired my car, but I really
> didn't have much to tell him about it.

Well firstly that body style was the first year it was introduced.
I have 68 442 and I get looks alot too.  People seem to like the fast
back looking cars.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 08:59:13 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: car humor

What Your Car Says About You...

Acura Integra- I have always wanted to own the Buick of sports cars

Acura Legend- I'm too bland for German cars

Acura NSX- I am impotent

Audi 90- I enjoy putting out engine fires

Buick Park Avenue- I am older than 34 of the 50 states

Cadillac Eldorado- I am a very good Mary Kay salesman

Cadillac Seville- I am a pimp

Chevrolet Camaro- I enjoy beating up people

Chevrolet Chevette- I like seeing people's reactions when I tell them
I have a 'Vette

Chevrolet Corvette- I'm in a mid-life crisis

Chevrolet El Camino- I am leading a militia to overthrow the
government

Chrysler Cordoba- I dig the rich Corinthian leather

Datsun 280Z- I have a kilo of cocaine in my wheel well

Dodge Dart-I teach third grade special education and I voted for
Eisenhower

Dodge Daytona- I delivered pizza for four years to get this car

Ford Escort - I'm a red-headed nanny

Ford Fairmont- (See Dodge Dart)

Ford Mustang- I slow down to 85 in school zones

Ford Crown Victoria- I enjoy having people slow to 55mph & change
lanes when I pull up behind them

Geo Storm- I will start the 11th grade in the Fall.

Geo Tracker- I will start the 12th grade in the Fall.

Honda del Sol- I have always said, half a convertible is better than
no convertible at all

Honda Civic- I have just graduated and have no credit

Honda Accord- I lack any originality and am basically a lemming.

Infiniti Q45- I am a physician with 17 malpractice suits pending.

Isuzu Impulse-I do not give a rip about J.D. Power or his reports.

Jaguar XJ6-I am so rich I will pay 60K for a car that is in the
shop 280 days per year.

Kia Sephia- I learned nothing from the failure of Diahatsu Corp.

Lincoln Town Car- I live for bingo and covered dish suppers

Mercury Grand Marquis- (See above)

Mercedes 500SL- I will beat you up if you ask me for an autograph.

Mercedes 560SEL- I have a daughter named Bitsy and a son named
Cole.

Mazda Miata- I do not fear being decapitated by an 18- wheeler

MGB- I am dating a mechanic

Mitsubishi Diamante- I don't know what it means either

Nissan 300ZX- I have yet to complete my divorce proceedings.

Oldsmobile Cutlass- I just stole this car and I'm going to make a....

Peugeot 505 Diesel- I am on the EPA's Ten Most Wanted List

Plymouth Neon- I sincerely enjoy doing the Macarena

Pontiac Trans AM- I have a switchblade in my sock

Porsche 944- I am dating big haired women that otherwise would be
inaccessible to me

Rolls Royce Silver Shadow- I think Pat Buchannon is a tad bit too
liberal

Saturn SC2- (See Honda Civic)

Subaru Legacy- I have always wanted a Japanese car even more

Toyota Camry- I am still in the closet

Volkswagon Beetle- I still watch Partridge Family reruns

Volkswagon Cabriolet- I am out of the closet

Volkswagon Microbus- I am tripping right now

Volvo 740 Wagon- I am frightened of my wife
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Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
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