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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, December 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 999



Re: sounds
Re:carb. fix info./  for all list!
Re: sounds (Primus)
Internet Addresses
Re: diff codes
Usless info (a Test)
Re: diff codes (they DO exist)
Re: W-codes...
My thoughts on future fuels
RE:  Re:carb. fix info./  for all list!
Re: UNBOUNCE: Engine color
Re[2]: carb. fix info./  for all list!
Danbury Mint
Re: 6sp\442, dist cap
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
Re: F41 suspension
Re: sounds
Re: what belongs in cars
Re: sounds (Primus)
Power Tour
Re: 1969 Hurst Olds Ornament
Re: Power Tour
Re: sounds
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
Re: runaway engine
Re: sounds (Primus)
Re: 200r4 linkage ???????
'67 Cutlass frame/transmission mount problem
Re: sounds (my take on the subject)
Re: sounds
Re: F41 suspension
4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)
Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB
Education??
Re: 1969 Fisher Body Manual
A temporary adieu and other catastrophes.
Re: 425 Engine Specs
Re: Power Steering Pump
Re: pwr steering gearbox ?'s
Re: diff codes
Re: Where will my car be?
q4
non olds and olds
Re: sounds (my take on the subject)
Re: Olds History Center Fax?
Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)
Re: valve addition
Park damage
Re: December Decal Sale
Re: door alignment

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:07:37 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Dave Ward wrote:

> the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
> seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)

Ain't your D88 about the same deal as my 87 Cutlass???  That bench front
seat saves time from having to go into the back seat...  (Not impling
anything here either)
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:09:52 EST
From: W30442CS <W30442CS@aol.com>
Subject: Re:carb. fix info./  for all list!

to the list, i realize many of us are trying to use the orig. carbs. on our
cars. my question is what are others doing about striped out threads on their
carbs. namely the ones haveing to do with the fuel filter. i have several
4bls. and some are starting to show a lot of wear .   the threads are a fine
thread version, similar to pipe threads.  the dia. is 13/16"      i beleive,
and holds the fuel filter in place.  have considered useing heilicoles but
everyone i ask says they dont come in that size with fine threads. this cant
be correct because one of the carbs. i recently bought has one in it.   surely
someone is makeing heilicoles or some type of repair sleeves for these carbs.
any advise greatly appreciated,      steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 14:36:03 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Dustin Cross wrote:
> gotta love the lyrics to sammy hagars "I cant drive 55"


Yeah, and if you're in a che*y, they take on a whole new meaning...   :)



               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 15:06:23 -0700
From: Tom Starkey <tstarkey@bi.com>
Subject: Internet Addresses

To everyone who's posted the internet address's for the various Car/Parts 
sites:

THANK YOU!  THANK YOU! THANK YOU!

I think this is some of the most useful information on the list.

Tom S.
'68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:03:06 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: diff codes

Its not a hoax guys.  Its just that the stamping is sometimes rather faint,
and it could be anywhere along the front of the right rear axle casing.
I've found the codes on both my 70 Cutlass and 71 442.  The letters were
around 3/8 in tall.  It took some scrubbing all along the tube to finally
show these codes.   However, just because you find the code doesn't
necessarily mean you now know what your rear is.  In my case, the code on
my 442 suggested a high 3 rear, which I knew was not correct.  Inthat case
you have to do the calculations manually by rotating the wheel and drive
shaft and counting,etc.  Or, just pull the diff cover, you'll see the teeth
count of the main gear stamped on it, count the other teeth and calculate
that way.

>I guess the hoax started at Oldsmobile itself.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:10:33 -0600
From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Usless info (a Test)

Greets all, I'm just checking this out and hoping my email is working right
now (instead of bouncing all the time).

Ob olds:  I should be getting the car back tomorrow.  I wonder if they'll try
and charge me for the repairs.  Otherwise I can't wait.  <big grin>

Laura
66 Delta 88 aka Pook

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:08:41 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: diff codes (they DO exist)

> >snip>
> >> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax
> that the
> >> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...
>
> >snip>
> >Not funny!  I must have sure looked stupid crawling under my car
> looking
> >for that blasted code on the axle.  Better yet telling my mechanic
> that
> >I am looking for codes on my axle when my car is jacked up.

Somebody is yanking your timing chain.  Actually, on the 69 (as well as
68), you will find them usually UPSIDE DOWN on the REAR of the passenger
axle tube, about 10 inches from the carrier.  I have an "SL" on my 69
(3.91).  The first time I saw it, I thought it was a "7S".

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:15:21 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-codes...

> This is going to sound a little bit stupid, to say the least...could
> someone please tell me what "W code" is what?  I've heard people refer
> to the 60's and 70's Olds as "W-machines".  But, since Chris (Sparks)
> asked about a '82 DRB having W-codes, it convinced me to finally ask
> this question (or was it F codes?  I've forgotten).  I thought W-codes
> only applied to the hi-perf machines of twenty or thirty years ago...

W codes are usually reserved for Oldsmobile's "Performance enhancing
options".  Mostly.  Very similar to Chevy's "Z" options.  Some are no
more than an appearance package or option, while some others are actual
enhancements.  They really WERE hi-po options way back when, but Olds
used them for a LONG time, and as performance was diluted, so were the W
options.  Take a W-40 in 1984.  That signifies it as a Hurst/Olds.  And
with that option, you got a lot of stuff.  F codes were used for
suspension packages/upgrades.

- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:26:29 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: My thoughts on future fuels

I realize everyone has there own thoughts on future fuels, but here's mine
(some of them are actually researched, which is odd for me).  There is more
of a pollution crunch than shortage of fuel, when you consider that you can
and people have made 96Octane pump-gas from boring-old coal..  As population
increases in density (In the rest of the world, here it's going backwards..)
you are going to see space, pollution, traffic, and legal constraints hit
long before we run out of gas...

I'm keeping my 72 98, and building me a 71 Cutlass, and they will BOTH be
drivers as long as the government lets old cars stay on the road (that's the
most uncertain part about old cars, IMHO)...


BTW, currently I walk to work and put on < 100 miles per week including
weekend trips out of town, so how much gas could I possibly save, even with
an infinite-miles-per-gallon car........



EA

http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/
mailto:Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com

Sorry to waste bandwidth, but somedays you just gotta

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 16:19:11 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: RE:  Re:carb. fix info./  for all list!

What I've mostly seen is the filter-case threaded in nicely with some teflon
tape, and a chunk of the original hose left out.  After this, a chunk of
fuel line and an in-line filter go on, and the thing is never removed again.
 This seems to be quite common on Quadrojets, and I have had NO problems
doing it this way.......

EA
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/
mailto:Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
 -------------------------
to the list, i realize many of us are trying to use the orig. carbs. on our
cars. my question is what are others doing about striped out threads on
their
carbs. namely the ones haveing to do with the fuel filter. i have several
4bls. and some are starting to show a lot of wear .   the threads are a fine
thread version, similar to pipe threads.  the dia. is 13/16"      i beleive,
and holds the fuel filter in place.  have considered useing heilicoles but
everyone i ask says they dont come in that size with fine threads. this cant
be correct because one of the carbs. i recently bought has one in it.
  surely
someone is makeing heilicoles or some type of repair sleeves for these
carbs.
any advise greatly appreciated,      steven,  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 17:32:05 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Engine color

Should I be
> compensated for this since the shop refuses to do it or am I in the
> wrong here?
>
> All comments welcome.
>
Unfortunately, you are sorta stuck with the color you got, if you didn't
specify the color you want.  It's almost like ordering through the
mail.  If they have different colors, and you don't specify, you get
their choice, but usually they would check back with you, although they
are under no obligation.  I'm not saying that you can't be upset, I'm
just saying from a legal standpoint, if it wasn't in a contract, then
omissions are never included, and can't be enforced.  If they TOLD you
that you were to get the engine in the original color, some states see
this as a verbal contract, and could be binding.  Make sure you have
witnesses, or it'll be your word against his.

Assuming something such as a engine color is not a good idea.  You must
specify "in writing" that you want certain things accomplished, or
certain colors, etc., or you will get what you get.  Your engine was
painted, and apparently protected from surface corrosion, which is all
that was needed to be done, as far as they're concerned.  It is sad that
they  had "brain surgeons" working on installing the engine.

But, here's the deal, if you pay for it, they will do whatever's on the
work order, and they are NOT obligated to do anything else.  I hate to
sound like a poor sport here, but YOU are the one having to live with
it, and YOU should be extremely cautious to spell out everything in
writing, even minute details, or you could suffer the fate that you
explained.  But one thing's for sure, at least now if you ever do this
type of work again, I'll bet you a dime to a donut you'll at least tell
them what color you expect the engine.  Experience is sometimes hard to
accept when you get it the first time.
- --
Mike Rothe
69 H/O
71 442 HT
85 442 T-top
76 GMC 1/2 ton, 502 c.i.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 17:30:05 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: carb. fix info./  for all list!

     Steve,

     While not 100% original, a number of vendors sell an oversize,
     self-tapping fuel filter nut for the Q-jet.  Look for this in auto
     parts stores under the "Help" line.  I know Jiffy (as in Jiffy kits
     for carb rebuilding) sells it as well.

     The threads in the pot metal carb casting are notorious for stripping
     out.  When mine do, I usually install one of these self-tapping nuts,
     then throw away the OEM filter and use a larger in-line fuel filter
     spliced into the fuel line.  As I said, it isn't 100% original, but it
     saves wear and tear on the carb threads as well as providing better
     filtration from the larger filter.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 17:54:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Danbury Mint

Last week someone posted about the 55 olds conv. available from Danbury
Mint.  I looked up the suggested review by Ken Ryan.  It looks like a
great toy; maybe the only way I can afford a 50's conv.  How can I
contact Danbury Mint about this model?
Thanks, Tom Adams

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 14:55:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: 6sp\442, dist cap

there was an article in hot rod or pop hot rod or r&c about an install of
a t-56? into a 70? 442 a few months back, 95 or 96 early 97?  it was an
easy swap, not much alteration required on the olds, maybe they used an
hydralic clutch?  the expensive part was the late style, not early lite
duty, trans.
bought a crossfire cap for my window type points distributor, looked very
strange on the inside,  lasted about 5000 miles before the car developed a
major missing problem at the same time as a cam change, opened it up and
set the cam to 0, ran worse, opened it up again reset to 4 adv again, ran
bad still.  changed the cap ran great.  thought how could a cap be bad in
6 months? put cap back on and ran bad again.  of course the new wires that
were cut for the crossfire same side exit setup were now short for a
regular cap.  that was only a $100 f=up for the sake of a nice looking
wire distribution setup.  hey it's only money


47rocket98

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:11:19 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene D Mitchell wrote:

> Does any one know, how much should pay to get a 2004r tranmissiom rebuilt
> that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
> 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I get t
> fixed?
>
> "The Colonel of the Tank"
>
>     1982 Delta 88
4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?  Jeez.
Does that double the weight of your car?  How many windows have you
busted out?  Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
within 345 feet of them?> >  >
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:
>
> > um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes
into > > low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky. > > > >

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:05:44 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Would a 1982 DRB have the F41 suspension as an option?  My daily driver
> seems to hug corners very well, even with crappy tires.  Makes me
> wonder.  It has the rally pack (no tach, just guages) which seemed
> kind of odd for a luxury car.
>
> Oh well...
>
>
> Chris Sparks
>

I have an 84 DRB and I can't turn onto another street at more than 2.7
MPH.  I suppose I'm just used to the Cutlass.


Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:08:03 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, OLDZ69442 wrote:

> aerotech,
>    Sorry to disagree.  I've met many younger folks with a real appreciation 
of
> our musclecars.  I think they will be in good hands after we are gone!
>
> Bob Iozia
> 69 442
> 57 Chevy
>

YES!

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:07:16 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: what belongs in cars

Hey, aren't ?all? Toronados FWD?  Damn shame.  I guess you could do some
wicked fishheads with'em.

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Computers and FWD do NOT belong in cars.
>               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ===============
>
> Ahem.
>
> --
> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>                                         ^^^^^^^^
>
> I guess you meant *in combination*, or something. Otherwise, them's fightin'
> words.
> ;-)
> ----------------
>

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:14:34 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

No offense or anything, but you shouldn't you have more power generated
under the hood than under the trunk lid?

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:

>
> My olds likes to listen to Al Green, with the four 6*9's and four 15' inch
> woofers in the back, with four gauge power wire supplying the juice to my
> system.
>
> "The Colonel of the Tank"
>     82 Delta 88
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
>
> > My olds loves to listen to Steve Earle..........kinda makes me want to run
> > moonshine
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)
> > > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 6:55 AM
> > >
> > > I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
> > > Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
> > > open Highway....
> > >
> > > > Cuzzy Ross:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 442
> > > > Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Dave Ward wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are
> > there
> > > > > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> > > > >
> > > > > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like
> > listenin
> > > > > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the
> > backroads
> > > > > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a
> > nice
> > > > > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away, I
> > can
> > > > > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in Florida, etc.
> > still
> > > > > have some warm evenings here and there?
> > > > > _____________________________
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason K. Adcock
> > > > > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> > > > > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> > > Highland Community College
> > > Phone (815) 235-6121
> > > Fax (815) 235-6130
> > > Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
> > > Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
> >
>
>

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 16:22:08 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Power Tour

Is anyone planning on participating in this years Power Tour.  The Olds
ratio last year was rather low, but of course the "quality not quantity"
idea could defend us.  If anyone is considering it, I highly recommend it.
Just make sure your car is able to cruise at 100MPH for sustained periods
of time through Nevada and other arid states.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:56:47 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Re: 1969 Hurst Olds Ornament

Tom Williams wrote:
>
> HI All,
>    I stopped in our local Walgreens store tonight and while there it
> dawned on me to look for the 69 Hurst Olds tree ornament. They happened
> to have about 25 of them. I was wondering if anyone knows how many of
> these they are planning on producing? The price on these were $13.95 ea:
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Williams
> 70 W31
Hallmark also has a 69 H/O as part of their classic car series.

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 19:05:13 -0500
From: AEROTECH <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Power Tour

>Is anyone planning on participating in this years Power Tour.  The Olds
>ratio last year was rather low, but of course the "quality not quantity"
>idea could defend us.  If anyone is considering it, I highly recommend it.
>Just make sure your car is able to cruise at 100MPH for sustained periods
>of time through Nevada and other arid states.
>
i was considering the pocket rocket for this event myself. Maybe i could
sneek up and lead the pack.

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:45:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds

yes indeed the bench seat can sometimes be a mans best friend. I have two
door delta and there no time to hassel with the back seat.

"The Colonel of the Tank"


On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Dave Ward wrote:
>
> > the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
> > seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)
>
> Ain't your D88 about the same deal as my 87 Cutlass???  That bench front
> seat saves time from having to go into the back seat...  (Not impling
> anything here either)
> --
>                  Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:49:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

Well as matter of fact I set thise damn alarms off all the time. And Ive
been through two alternators already.  But however the ladies like when I
ride by with my loud ass system....

"The Colonel of the Tank"
   82 delta 88



On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ray wrote:

>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene D Mitchell wrote:
>
> > Does any one know, how much should pay to get a 2004r tranmissiom rebuilt
> > that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
> > 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I get t
> > fixed?
> >
> > "The Colonel of the Tank"
> >
> >     1982 Delta 88
> 4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?  Jeez.
> Does that double the weight of your car?  How many windows have you
> busted out?  Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
> within 345 feet of them?> >  >
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:
> >
> > > um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes
into > > > low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky. > > > > > > > > >
Ray in the desert > 87 409 Cutlass > >

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:43:21 EST
From: OLDS44272 <OLDS44272@aol.com>
Subject: Re: runaway engine

     With regard to the anti-lock brakes, on some vehicles, it is possible to
set a ABS code if you shut the vehicle off while moving. Like if you are going
up your drive way and shut off the engine to coast to a stop. But i would
think if your throttle is stuck, this would be the least of your worries at
the moment!!!  SCOTT

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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:55:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)

Well yes, Im also in the market to replace my olds 307 with a new one.  Do
you know where i might find some deals? I would like to replace it with a
350 rocket, olds 455, or hell I might just settles for another 307.


On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Ray wrote:

> No offense or anything, but you shouldn't you have more power generated
> under the hood than under the trunk lid?
>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene wrote:
>
> >
> > My olds likes to listen to Al Green, with the four 6*9's and four 15' inch
> > woofers in the back, with four gauge power wire supplying the juice to my
> > system.
> >
> > "The Colonel of the Tank"
> >     82 Delta 88
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, babbott@pdnt.com wrote:
> >
> > > My olds loves to listen to Steve Earle..........kinda makes me want to 
run
> > > moonshine
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
> > > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > > Subject: Re: sounds (Primus)
> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 09, 1997 6:55 AM
> > > >
> > > > I was always kinda partial to Stepenwolf's "Born to be Wild" and Deep
> > > > Purple's "Highway Song" doing about 120 weaving between traffic on an
> > > > open Highway....
> > > >
> > > > > Cuzzy Ross:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I like the Idea of having rappers such as Ice Cube, Snoop Dog, and 
442
> > > > > Mafia, rap about the great cars of yester year............
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Mon, 8 Dec 1997, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dave Ward wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What about David Lee Murphy, Sawyer Brown or Jo Dee Messina? Are
> > > there
> > > > > > > no country fans on the list?  (Steve Earle is good, too....)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Me, me!  I love country...and my Cutlass does too.  Nothin' like
> > > listenin
> > > > > > to a little AJ (Alan Jackson for you city folk...) cruisin the
> > > backroads
> > > > > > with the T-Tops off on a warm summer's evening...especially after a
> > > nice
> > > > > > wash and wax.  We just love it!  And in only six short months away,
I > > > can > > > > > > do it all over again!  Acutally, I guess y'all down in
Florida, etc. > > > still > > > > > > have some warm evenings here and there? >
> > > > > _____________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > Jason K. 
Adcock >
> > > > > mailto:jadcock@vt.edu > > > > > > http://www.erols.com/adcockjk > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > Mike Krumwiede - 
MIS
Technician > > > > Highland Community College > > > > Phone (815) 235-6121 > > 
>
> Fax (815) 235-6130 > > > > Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us > > > >
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us > > > >
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > "The needs of the
many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." > > > > > > > > > Ray in
the desert > 87 409 Cutlass > >

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 19:02:24 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 200r4 linkage ???????

There is no such thing as too much power, in this case, sound...:)


>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Eugene D Mitchell wrote:
>
> > Does any one know, how much should pay to get a 2004r tranmissiom rebuilt
> > that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
> > 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I get t
> > fixed?
> >
> > "The Colonel of the Tank"
> >
> >     1982 Delta 88
> 4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?  Jeez.
> Does that double the weight of your car?  How many windows have you
> busted out?  Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
> within 345 feet of them?> >  >
> > On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, BIG JERMES wrote:
> >
> > > um, we put a 2004r in a '67 442 and the shifter works just fine.  it goes
into > > > low and everything.  maybe we just got lucky. > > > > > > > > >
Ray in the desert > 87 409 Cutlass > >
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Krumwiede - MIS
Technician Highland Community College Phone (815) 235-6121 Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The needs of the many
outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:04:12 EST
From: COUPE KING <COUPEKING@aol.com>
Subject: '67 Cutlass frame/transmission mount problem

All ready to put my new 400/TH400 into my '67 ragrop. Drop it in, go to line
up the transmission mount with the frame rail attachment points and find that
the brackets on the frame are too far forward.  Check on my '67 HT parts car
and  the frame mounting brackets are very long, and very different than the
little short jobs on my convert. Trans mount/crossmember looks the same.

Am I missing something? Seems very unlike GM to build a frame that would need
special welding to accept a different trans--especially as because what I'm
installiing is a box-stock equivalent of a '67 442 motor/trans combo.

Don't know what motor or trans came in my CS originally--or even if it was a
stick.

Anybody out there run across this? Before I go welding onto the frame just
want to make sure I'm not using the proper crossmember or some simple cure.
Now, it looks like I've got to weld some new perches onto the frame rails
~8-10" back from the ones I've got.

CoupeKing
Peter Sliskovich

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:05:08 EST
From: OLDS44272 <OLDS44272@aol.com>
Subject: Re: sounds (my take on the subject)

      Ok, it is a given that the older muscle cars rule. I would love to have
a 72 442 convert. But reality is in the way. I have a wife and car paypents on
the used 90 Cutlass Supreme. The 72 weould be an extra car ,driven for
pleasure. I can't say i am in the postion right now of this extra 'drean car'.
Anyway, our generation (late 60's early 70's), the cars we remember seeing (
as we were getting near driving age) where the Monte Carlo SS, the Mustang
gt's,  Grand nationals and other modern muscle.  Besides the poor gas milage
and the insureance, and older car is easlier to work on. With the muscle cars,
it takes about 20 minutes to figure out the drivablity problem (low
compression or broken valve spring) and about 2-4 hours to fix. Unlike today's
cars, ( Quad 4) it takes fours hours to figure out the problem and 20 mins. to
fix ( replace coil packs)   Another question to those who where teenages in
the 60's....... Did everybody have hot-rodded 49 Mercs or where the cars of
the 60's affordable to the people that lived in the 60's.  Just some
thoughts.........SCOTT

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:11:21 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: sounds

Jerry Christopher wrote:

>Dave Ward wrote:
>
> > the pump.  They love the 'power everything', and the roomy back
> > seat...(and no, I'm not implying anything! (LOL)
>
> Ain't your D88 about the same deal as my 87 Cutlass???  That bench front
> seat saves time from having to go into the back seat...  (Not impling
> anything here either)

Smart *ss...

I meant that the car was comfortable during...uh...long drives...(yeah,
that's it!)

(I originally meant that a big car (such as a D88 or CS) was comfortable
for long road trips. It seems that the wrong idea was taken in,
partially due to bad word choice.  It's still funny though...LOL)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:26:02 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension

mrada wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Would a 1982 DRB have the F41 suspension as an option?  My daily driver
> seems to hug corners very well, even with crappy tires.  Makes me
> wonder.  It has the rally pack (no tach, just guages) which seemed
> kind of odd for a luxury car.
>
> Oh well...
>
> Chris Sparks

My '85 DRB had the F41 Suspension as well as the U14 Gage Package.  Also
had UA1 High Capacity Battery System and V03 Extra Capacity Cooling
System.  Had the Y67 Reminder Package too.  I thought it had the
trailering package, but it doesn't show on the window sticker.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 18:25:33 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)

> > that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 4
> > 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I

> 4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?

Umm, next question...

> Does that double the weight of your car?

Mine didn't, unless you count all the amps, signal processors, wiring,
and other pertinent speakers...

 How many windows have you
> busted out?

Check out ~this~ picture!
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83shith2.jpg

 Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
> within 345 feet of them?> >  >

Only with the nearest window down ;)  If the stereo didn't work, I'd get
closer and rattle the pipes...  Only for people I knew....  ...were in
bed!  :)


               Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
    Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
        Sidney Montana


OK. OK, some may actually remember the story, but the picture does fit
the scenario quite well!  This pic was just after the car got broken
into (upon finding nothing they wanted, apparantly they decided to have
some other fun.  The T-tops were undamaged, fortunately)  The Rockit
actually did have four 15's for awhile.  Sounded awesome, they were
iso'd.  Had to have the back seat foreward about 8 inches to clear 'em,
though, so I finally gave up and sold two of 'em.  Kinda sad, especially
since the only thing I actually use the back seat for is carrying the
stuff I can't fit in the trunk!  But occasionally I'll get a carload of
people, and it makes it more livable.  Although those that sat in the
back seat with all four running rarely mentioned the lack of legroom (or
at least I didn't hear them complaining about it anyway!)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 20:34:48 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: F41 suspension 1982 DRB

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, mrada wrote:
> > there are 225R75-15 currently on the car.

Mine came from the factory with P215/75R15s.  P205s were standard.

> And, I'm pretty sure that 6"rims were standard unless you ordered
> something else. Actually, I'm not at all sure Olds offered 7" rims on
> any of this last-generation RWD full-sizer.

I am fairly positive, but not certain that my wheels weren't 7".  I've
got 7 inchers on the Supreme and I'm almost sure the Delta rims weren't
that wide.

Should have sold this one to you Greg, would have made you a good car
(if you could get by the two tone green paint!).

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When you choke a Smurf what color does it turn?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 20:49:25 EST
From: Big EJ <BigEJ@aol.com>
Subject: Education??

Like many on this list I have my favorite Oldsmobiles (49-72), but also like
many on this list I have an interest in many varied automobiles.  It seems
that lately some of us have been saying "my Olds is more important than
yours".  This spoils the list for many of us.

I'd like to issue a little challange to those of you that seem so desperate to
be heard.  Instead of telling all of us that your car is faster than my car,
why dont you educate us about your cars?

I have some V8's, aV6, a turbo 4, and some 2cylinder cars, so you can see my
interest is not limited to just V8's.  From time to time I've driven different
quad 4 equipped cars and was very unimpressed!!  They were noisy, vibrated,
didnt't seem fast and just were really crude.  Granted, none of these was a
442 or HO quad 4.

All the quad four foolishness on the list lately reminded me that one of the
auto mags (Motor Trend?) did an article about the fastest cars sold in the
U.S. six or seven years ago.  The last car to make the list and the least
expensive one was a quad 4 Olds if my memory is correct.   Maybe the cars I
had driven weren't any more representive of the high performance quad 4's than
an inline 6 1970 Cutlass would be to a 70 W-30?

Point is,  if you have a car you're proud of tell us why.  What about the car
sets it apart from others, what do we look for, what trick features does it
have, what years are desirable, and what ones aren't?  Please,  don't waste
your time and our time with this my car is faster nonesense.

I think that most of us are interested in most things Oldsmobile and we are
anxious to learn as much as possible!

Thanks for the time.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Dec 1997 22:47:47 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Re: 1969 Fisher Body Manual

> What exactly is the reliability copy and
>where is it found?  Thanks much.

>Tim Rudolph
>trudolph@frii.com
'>69 442 Convertible

The reliability copy a quess is what the dealer got
when the car was shipped.  It has the ship to and bill to
address, date built, special instructions, options, weight of car,
etc.  The options where checked off in red ink and intitialed JL(Jim
Letts Olds).
I don't think you can find this in the cars like the build sheets.

Clay
69 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:10:45 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: A temporary adieu and other catastrophes.

Hi, gang!

I would make more relevant comments, but I am pressed for time.

Soylent Ocean Mist is frowning at me right now.

I can not say that I blame her. (In order to have such a hold on me it must be
a she!) I did an incredibly stupid thing; I attempted to breed Soylent with a
P*nt**c. As I should have suspected, they just got violent.

Translation; I SLAMMED a 1994 Gr*nd *M.

The P*nt**c suffered little damage (a miracle!), merely a crushed bumper and
creased trunk (ca. 3" right at keyhole).

Soylent, on the other hand, is not on speaking terms with me. Front bumper was
flattened;grille smashed; hood, hood latch, grille support and some of
radiator support bent. The radiator was pushed back about half an inch at the
top, fortunately it still clears my fan blade easily! I have only just
finished unbending/rebending parts so that the hood will stay latched (just).

Luckily, the black man whom I rear-ended turned out to be a really good guy.
What I mean to say by that is that after we exchanged information, gone our
ways, and after I had found out which township it had happened in, called the
appropriate police station, and found out that both parties/cars need to be
present to get the police report, and after I had called and left a message
for this guy to call me so we could arrange to meet at said police station, he
called me; from that police station! I could have done much worse, as some of
you have unfortunately found out.

Anyway, I can get some of the parts I will need to replace from yards in South
Beloit and Southern Wisconsin. I would, however, appreciate it if anyone who
spies 1965 full-size cars in their local yards to contact me. At this moment,
the only part that I do not know where to find is the grille. There might be
one in South Beloit, but that is a long shot, I have to consult Chris Ruper on
that one.

In the meantime, I am going to another server. This hiatus should be much
shorter that the last one. (And even if I am off for a long time, I still have
plenty of digests to read!).

For those who need to contact me; call 1 (773) 445 2638.
I am usually about on weekdays 5:30pm to 10:00pm central time.

Read all of you again soon!

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan (now in scandal)
member, OCA, IVOC

EGR; Excited Girls Riot? Extended Guyana Rebellion? Expedient Gun Runners?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:10:20 EST
From: KarlAune <KarlAune@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Engine Specs

Good to hear from you! (Whew! You're lucky I bothered to get my mail today.)

Yes. For $5 I got a dealers brochure with lots o' pics and stats on the cars
at a swap meet at the centennial. Good stuff Maynerd.

Your "C" heads are not the original heads but are likely to be better. Your
carb should be the 4GC. 360hp vs. 370hp, I do not know what to tell you about
that one.
There are two ways to tell. 1) build sheet or dealer invoice  2) take the
motor apart and compare one of your pistons with one of mine. I have seen the
piston of another Dynamic 88 and it had a very shallow dish. The 370hp
(Starfire) power plant's pistons should be dished even shalower if not
altogether flat! It might be possible to learn from the engine or tranny code.

Not much more time now, contact me again once I am on my next ISP
(*ns*bscr*b*ng temporarily).

P.S. Use Premium gasoline! And octane boost would help too. These will
actually give you better mileage as you have the compression to use them.

Karl Aune

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:16:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pump

>1)  The power steering pump is nothing more than the pump with two hoses,
>right?  One for the fluid coming in and one for fluid coming out?  Thus, it
>shouldn't be too hard to replace, right?

Hard, no; messy, yes. See ª2:

>2)  Supposing I DO replace the pump...do I need to "drain" the steering
>fluid or anything?  I know some will spill out.  Is this fine, just re-fill
>after installation?

Be ready with a drain pan; disconnect the hoses at the steering box, and let
them drain into the pan. You'll still spill a heck of a lot of fluid, so be
prepared with the speedy-dry.

>3)  Are there any special tools for this procedure?  Will I need a
>pulley-puller or anything to get the original pulley off?  A new (or
>remanufactured) pump won't come with a pulley, will it?

Well, a gear puller on the pulley won't work (don't ask...). There is a
special puller specifically for this job, and you may need a puller to get
the pulley off in order to get the pump off the bracket (that's how it was
for my '78). The center of the shaft is threaded, so pressing the new shaft
on is no harder than locating some threaded rod of the proper size, and
using a combination of washers with the proper size nut to press the pulley
on. I imagine you'll have to use the old pulley.

>4)  Does my quick-ratio steering limit me to the type of pump I can get?  I
>shouldn't have to worry about getting a "quick-ratio" one, will I?  They're
>all the same, right?

Beware on this one; the part numbers installed at the factory may be
different, but the part they sell you at the store may be a "good-enough"
part that is intended to cover a variety of applications. I believe the
quick-ratio boxes were paired with pumps that provided less boost, which
contributed to better steering feel. Check the numbers at a dealer first;
they may be the only ones who can provide the proper pump for you, but lets
hope that's not the case...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:16:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: pwr steering gearbox ?'s

>If it becomes necessary for me to replace the gearbox, does any kind of
>"bleeding" of the system need to be done after replacement?

Oh, yes! I've turned the pulley backwards before hooking up the hose, but
sometimes you need to bleed it even more, especially if the system has been
drained. To fully bleed a system (you'll know if it needs bleeding when the
steering is not smooth, or encounters "lumps" while turning from lock to
lock), you have to jack up the front end to take the weight off the front
tires, and then with the PS fluid resevoir topped off, *slowly* turn the
wheel from lock to lock a couple times, turn off the engine, refill the
resevoir, start it up, turn lock to lock, turn it off, top it off, turn it
on, etc. etc., until the steering is smooth and the PS resevoir is no longer
"foamy". You may have to shut it down and let the system sit for a few
minutes to let all the bubbles dissapate, from time to time.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:16:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: diff codes

>Dr. Robert Barry wrote:
>
>> >Also, I cannot find the stamped letter code on my axle.
>>
>> Nobody can; that "stamped-letter" code rumor is just an ugly hoax that the
>> veteran Olds-list members like to play on newcomers...
>
>Not funny!  I must have sure looked stupid crawling under my car looking
>for that blasted code on the axle.  Better yet telling my mechanic that
>I am looking for codes on my axle when my car is jacked up.

Did he laugh?

>All of you should be ashamed.

Now I am...

>Chris Sparks
>
>P.S. Sorry Greg, I don't like to look stupid

I have absolutely no comment on this statement... ;)

OK, guys, who wants to let Chris in on the real "trick" here... ?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:37:40 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Where will my car be?

Jerry Christopher wrote:

> Imagine what they said in 1940 about the 1910 Olds....  <G> And what
> they said in 1970 about the 40 Olds....  (Get my trend)  A good 1910
> Olds if driving down the road, or even sitting in a garage will turn my
head....  Then again, the 1998 Intregue turns my head too...  (sigh) > What
should I do now?

Probably the same thing I'm trying to do.  Work hard, make a little
money, buy a house with a lot of garage space and buy, buy, buy.....
Heck, if everybody on the list bought 6 Oldsmobiles, we would save about
3,000 by ourselves.  Then if all our friends and relatives bought only 3
Oldsmobiles apiece, we could save.........

Let's put this way, if what my daughters' do what they say they plan to
do with my old rides, they will still be in my family for at least
several more generations.  They like them as well as I do.  Besides, if
they don't respect for what they are, I'll come back and haunt them (BOO
Y'ALL!!).

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:44:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: q4

drew,

I can be happy with what i have--a calais with a 442 engine.  Just like
youre complaining about us giving 60's and 70's oldses a bad rap, dont
take it out on the real 442's.  They put the numbers there for a reason,
drive one and see...

shaun
89 calais gold edition

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:48:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: non olds and olds

This message is non olds but i thought some of the sports people would
enjoy it.  Tonite Temple University mopped the floor of the Fresno state
bulldogs 76-61.  It was the opening nite of the Apollo and john chaney
and the owls win!
olds related-- Today i saw my first Intrigue.  This car looks great.  Any
more info about this new "shortstar".  good oldsmodriving.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:08:33 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: sounds (my take on the subject)

OLDS44272 wrote:
 Did everybody have hot-rodded 49 Mercs or where the cars of
> the 60's affordable to the people that lived in the 60's.  Just some
> thoughts.........

Scott, I obviously can't speak for everyone, there were only a couple
older hot rod types driven to my high school.  (Senior class of 1966)
My school had about 600-700 kids in grades 9-12 to give you an idea of
the frequency.  There were a lot of early 60s iron in the lot and a few
newer models, 64 -5 Mustangs, Fairlane GTs, Tbirds, etc.  A lot of
nondescript (translation- dowdy looking parentmobiles) cars were there
too.  I drove several different cars as my dad traded around kinda
often.  Let's see, there was the 61 Sedan deVille, 59 Fairlane, 64
Impala, 61 Impala, 63 BelAir, 65 Falcon (4spd, 289 ci that would scoot),
some little Fiat with a 4 spd on the column among others.  My best
friend drove an Opel.  True be known, except for the kids whose parents
had money, we drove whatever we could get our little hands on.  But at
least at my school there were very few "hot rods".  Of course I went to
a relatively small county school.  I'm sure the mix would be different
at others places.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:01:21 -0500
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center Fax?

Here's the address.

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend Street
Lansing, Michigan 48921-0001

Give them model, year, and VIN, and they ought to be able to send you
something on your particular vehicle.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com   or   jwr10@chrysler.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455


- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Olds History Center Fax?
> Date: Saturday, December 06, 1997 6:01 PM
>
> I inadvertantly erased, or just plain can't find, the post that
> contained the numbers to the Olds History Center.  Wasn't there a fax
> number and phone number?  E-mail me privately with the numbers to make
> sure I'm not wasting more bandwidth.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 21:14:27 -0600 (CST)
From: Eugene <edm2374@tntech.edu>
Subject: Re: 4 15's? (was: 200r4 linkage ???????)

On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

> > > that is burninig lost of transmission fluid.  And would the weight of my 
4
> > > 15 inch woffers in my trunck put a strain on my transmission till I
>
> > 4 15" woofers?!!?  What the hell do you have four of them for?

Well lets just say that I love to feel the BASS!!!!


>
> Umm, next question...
>
> > Does that double the weight of your car?: No not really, but the
ported box is heavy as hell. It takes two people to put it in the trunk.

>
> Mine didn't, unless you count all the amps, signal processors, wiring,
> and other pertinent speakers...
>
>  How many windows have you
> > busted out?: One of my little side windows gave way the other day
because i had the bass boost all the way up, on an accident
>
> Check out ~this~ picture!
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/83shith2.jpg
>
>  Do you set off other people's car alarms when you drive
> > within 345 feet of them?> >  > : yes all the freaking time here at
tennessee tech, I have the hardest hitting system around these parks.
>
> Only with the nearest window down ;)  If the stereo didn't work, I'd get
> closer and rattle the pipes...  Only for people I knew....  ...were in
> bed!  :)
>
>
>                Charley Buehner -- The Oldsmobile Magnet
> For Me:  mailto:buehner@lyrea.com       mailto:charley@rocketship.com
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>     Sidney Radio Shack:     mailto:redline_av@webtv.net
>         Sidney Montana
>
>
> OK. OK, some may actually remember the story, but the picture does fit
> the scenario quite well!  This pic was just after the car got broken
> into (upon finding nothing they wanted, apparantly they decided to have
> some other fun.  The T-tops were undamaged, fortunately)  The Rockit
> actually did have four 15's for awhile.  Sounded awesome, they were
> iso'd.  Had to have the back seat foreward about 8 inches to clear 'em,
> though, so I finally gave up and sold two of 'em.  Kinda sad, especially
> since the only thing I actually use the back seat for is carrying the
> stuff I can't fit in the trunk!  But occasionally I'll get a carload of
> people, and it makes it more livable.  Although those that sat in the
> back seat with all four running rarely mentioned the lack of legroom (or
> at least I didn't hear them complaining about it anyway!)
>
Yeah I have the same problem that why I try not to have more that one
other person in my car because I have to put air in my air shocks, because
of all the weight. also my spare tire is sitting in the back floor board

"The Colonel of the Tank"
   82 Delta 88

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 22:02:29 EST
From: CRuper1 <CRuper1@aol.com>
Subject: Re: valve addition

In a message dated 97-12-09 14:05:34 EST, you write:

<<
 --something about having *2* valves each...

 1.4 inches in diameter. thats a total of 2.8 inches of exhaust valve per cyl.
 no oth er olds is breathing that kind of flow. with even bigger intake
valves.
 BOY you just can't get any Better.
 =====================
 Ah, bud, I don't think you can add up valve diameters to get effective flow
 area. Twice the area of a 1.4" valve is NOT the area of a 2.8" valve.

 --
 Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
 *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
  >>

You've got it.  Lets see the figures...

Area of a 1.4 in. valve is: 1.539
Area of a 2.8 in. valve is: 6.158

So, two 1.4 in. valves would flow 3.078, or just slightly (.001) under the
area of the 2.8 inch size.

I haven't caught the first mail that started this (I may still get it, don't
ask... ughh..), but I'm guessing it was something to the effect of having four
valves, rather than two, correct?  If so, yes, four valves will have some
definite benefits over the two valve heads.
First, you can fit two smaller sized valves in an area of the combustion
chamber, where you will be limited by the overall size of a single valve, and
the results will be a higher area with the smaller valves.  This brings up
another point.  Two small valves will have a higher flow rate (smaller port,
higher velocity), in terms of actual velocity, which will most likely result
in better cylinder fill.  Another thing to consider is that since you get
better CFM numbers with the smaller valves, it requires lower overall lift
numbers, thus reducing problems with the valvetrain.  The lower lift that is
required also helps in another way, which is that the lower lift will help to
improve your mid-range (a higher lift cam tends to push the operating range
(optimal power area) up higher in the RPM range), which I'd bet is somewhat
due to the better velocity of the charge as it enter (for better fill, as
above).

One other thing to mention about this is that four valves, equally spaced
around the combustion chamber, allows for a centrally located spark plug,
which helps the ignition process.

Motorcycles have been using four (and sometimes five) valves per cylinder for
sometime now, with some good results.  Car manufacturers have been toying with
using this method for years, and it's now become a "standard" for new motors,
this is due to it's benefits.  Yes, it makes for a more costly arrangement
(more valves, and hardware to go with it, so an increased cost), but the
benefits can be worth it.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 1997 21:34:35 -0500
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Park damage

Message text written by
> So, she panicked...she tried to shift
into neutral, but hit Park instead.  She was travelling at about 60km/h,
with the transfer case in 4x4.  When she threw it in Park, she snapped
the shift linkage, transmission pin, destroyed the transfer case, and I
think she twisted the one of the driveshafts...(can't remember which).
<

Actually, the parking pawl and park lock gear are designed so that the pawl
will not engage until you reach about 4 or 5 mph.  You can throw the
transmission in park at 50 mph and all it will do is make a ratcheting
noise until it gets down to about 4 mph and then it will engage abrubtly.
Nothing should break in this case.  The pawl actuator rod is spring
actuated so that the shift linkage will not break.  When the MVSS (Motor
Vehicle Safety Standard) inspector would come in to our plant, this was one
test that he performed.  Run it up to about 30 mph and put it into park.
It better engage when it should and not break or it was a recall.

I would suspect something else happened here.  Either the transmission was
defective, or the more likely case is she hit reverse and if the engine was
racing, it would tear up a planetary set, etc.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6


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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 97 20:45:32 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: December Decal Sale

Mark,
I'm interested in a catalog and some decals for my 69 W-31.  What's the best 
way
to get ahold of you?  By phone and use a credit card or should I just mail you
the $2 for the catalog.  Let me know. Thanks, Chris Smetana chris@abcs.com

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>
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 1997 22:40:00 -0800
From: "Jim L. Saylor" <jsaylor@sprintmail.com>
Subject: Re: door alignment

Oldsnut wrote:
>
> I know how you feel.  I have spent days trying to align body panels.  The
> easiest way is to align the door first and then the fenders and hood.
> This can be done by putting a jack under the door and loosening the hinges.
> It may take a few tries but it works.  Also, Eastwood makes a door aligning
> tool that looks like it might work well.  Note, when aligning fenders you 
will
> probably need to use shims to get it exactly right.
>
> www.eastwoodco.com
>
> In a message dated 97-12-08 17:38:39 EST, you write:
>
> << i am trying to line up a new fender for my cutlass, and i can't seem to
>  get the body line straight, and the door hits the fender.  I now think
>  that the fender is fine, but the door is sagging, as the striker plate
>  is low.  i am unsure of how, if possible, to adjust or align the door
>  hinge? >>
>
> Paul Pate
> Mechanical Design Engineer
> Port Neches, Texas
> 70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
> 84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08


thanks for the info, i will try it out after my wife lets me put the
"piece of junk" back into the garage.  right now it has to sit out in
the cold while the christmas tree gets used to the warm temp...what a
waste of a perfectly good garage.

peace

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