
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 26 1997     Volume 01 : Number 974



Re: "98" tires
Re: Floor Mats
Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost
[none]
Re: fastest Olds (fwd)
Hurst Hairy Olds (Was Re: My Ignorance)
Re: Impulsive Decisions
Re: Engine paint
Re: New Door Lock Cylinders  PLEASE HELP
Re: Hurst Hairy Olds...pics avail????
Cam and Carb Advice
Re: 70 OG vs OW tranny
Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost
Re: Olds 307 Exhaust
80 Cutlass AC dissasembly
Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers
Re: 2 bbl carb
Where to get car painted in Pensacola, FL?
Re: '66 W-30 (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)
Re: Olds 307 Exhaust
Givethanksing
Re: '66 W-30 (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)
Re: car humor
Re: parting 69 4-4-2
Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost
w-30
Happy Holiday's!
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
plug gap....and then some..........
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
the great 442 controversy
test, dont read
Charlie the magnet
Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d
Re: Build Sheet Question
Re: freon
Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d
Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d
Re: 350 CCC, "P" type EGR Valve
Re: Olds 445 cams
Re: Givethanksing
Re: On the way to Work...
Re: Engine paint
Mobil 1
Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject
86 Olds cutlass
Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass
Re: woodgrain stickers
Re: PARTS: New Items
Re: Givethanksing
Re: Mobil 1
Edelbrock Heads /Mouldings

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:01:37 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: "98" tires

  that sounds like a good size for a 70 98.. 
  factory size was L-78-15 in 1970.....
    olds guy gA.....

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:39:19 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Floor Mats

I have a set of floor mats which were mail order,  I can't remember the
name of the company but thay are in Downers Grove Illinois.  They are
big thick rubbermats.  About $84 for front and back.  You may need to
cut them to fit.  I use them in my SHOs but fortunately have originals
for my 442.  They are great rain and snow mats.  The company usually
advertizes in the back of auto mags, full or half page

Steven Saraceno
70 442 conv

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:56:28 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost

- -----Original Message-----
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 6:44 AM
Subject: My Olds made the cover, well almost


>I recieved my copy of the Olds paper/magazine that OCA members have
been
>getting from Oldsmobile.  On the cover was a picture of the cars on
the
>bridge in Lansing.  If you look real close you can see some of my
>Sebring Yellow through the open hood of a tourqoise W car.
<snip>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2

Dave,
Is this your Yellow 442?
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/bridge1.htm
I took the picture on the Bridge at Lansing. If it is yours, I'd like
to add your name to the page if you don't mind. Please let me know.
If anyone else knows the owners of the cars from Lansing, please let
me know.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:53:20 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: [none]

>What Your Car Says About You...

This is too good! (Or maybe it's just a slow day at the office) I have
to add a comment to some of these...

> Audi 90- I enjoy putting out engine fires      

Some years ago I was walking downtown and noticed a car stopped at the
light in front of me. A little white light fell down underneath it, from
the engine compartment. As I looked closer, I noticed it was actually a
brightly burning little blob of... something or other. Fire! Banged on
the window of the car, got the driver to get out (I think my wearing a
suit and tie was the only reason he did that :-) and opened the hood to
find a little bonfire smoldering on one side. Put it out with a fire
extinguisher from a tavern nearby. The car was an Audi! (And yeah, it's
a bad idea to open the hood unless you know it's a real small fire, and
even then...)

> Chevrolet Camaro- I enjoy beating up people     

I have no brake lights.

> Chevrolet Chevette- I like seeing people's reactions when I tell them 
> I have a 'Vette 

I have no floor.

> Chrysler Cordoba- I dig the rich Corinthian leather    

I dig for a living.

> Lincoln Town Car- I live for bingo and covered dish suppers     

I have no turn signals.

> Mercedes 500SL- I will beat you up if you ask me for an autograph.    

I will shoot you if you ask me for an autograph.

> Oldsmobile Cutlass- I just stole this car and I'm going to make a....

...guest appearance on World's Scariest Police Chases IV.

> Pontiac Trans AM- I have a switchblade in my sock

I use it to jumper the fusebox when the stereo blows out.     

> Toyota Camry- I am still in the closet      

...over my secret love of beige cars.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:01:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: fastest Olds (fwd)

I would tend to disagree with that.  I am not going to add my two cents 
here, just glad it wasnt me who said it.  Incoming is right!!!
shaun

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 00:40:09 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: fastest Olds

I believe that a 409 powered 87 Cutlass is faster than all those old-guy
cars!

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass

On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, W-MACHINES wrote:

> Mr. Heinrich:  Now you've *really* started something.  Incoming!
> Oh, by the way, you're 100% correct.  Let me be more specific, a '66 W-30
> F-85 Club Coupe.  
> Boy I'm glad *I* didn't start this!
> 
> Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
> '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
> '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo
> 
> ----------
> > From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing
> > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:32 PM
> > 
> > PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> > > 
> > > I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't
> include
> > > the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442 ever..
> > 
> > Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> > 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:50:06 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Hurst Hairy Olds (Was Re: My Ignorance)

>> Would someone please tell me what a "Hurst Hairy Olds" is?
>
> It's a model kit.  Seriously, it was a cool 4WD car from the 60's.
[...]
> Anyway, although I've never seen it in person, it was way cool.

Our very own Bryceman's web pages have a photo of the model kit cover
art at 
http://www.442.com/hairyoldsmodel.html

Just FYI...
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:05:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Impulsive Decisions

On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, Tom Starkey wrote: 

> I'll start with one now, is there anything unique or special about a
'68 Cutlass Supreme I can share with others?  I was stopped at a gas
station the other day by someone who admired my car, but I really
didn't have much to tell him about it. > > Thanks Again!


Oh sure... I write this from the perspective of the owner of a '68 
Cutlass "S" (not a Supreme). I would *love* to have a Supreme. They 
were very distinctive for '68 and are fairly rare now.  

What made them distinctive? 

- - special exterior paint treatment with silver accents with special 
chrome trim offset a few inches from the rocker panels and wheel openings
- - 'Supreme' badge on C-pillar
- - special interior with a front bench seat having a fold-down armrest, 
special upholstery, door panels, armrests, sound deadening, etc.
- - carpeted lower door panels
- - standard 350-4bbl engine

My pal Steve Penny used to own one of these new. He still has a 
picture of it around here, a very sharp-looking car, burgundy with 
that silver paint trim. After 3 years he sold it to a buddy who beat 
on it for years until he blew up the motor, put a fan blade through 
the hood, caused all kinds of damage... :(

You have a nice car. Let us know if we can help you preserve it!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:06:03 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Engine paint

>Has anybody come across a dual snorkel air cleaner in a non-Olds
>car?  A friend of mine said he came across one in a Grand Prix early
>model.
>
>Clay 
>69 442 convertible
>

Pontiac used dual snorkrl air cleaners on GTO's (non ram-air) from '68 
to the early '70's. I don't know if it is the same one that Olds used.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:16:52 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: New Door Lock Cylinders  PLEASE HELP

>Where do i go to get new cylinders put in my doors?

You mean have someone else do it? See previous discussion about whether
it's better to have a locksmith or a dealer do it. I think it's a
tossup; OTOH I always do it myself since it's not all that hard to
dismantle the door panels and get the cylinder(s) out.

The trickiest bits are usually getting the retainer clips on and off the
actuator rods without breaking them (cheap to replace if you do,
though), and getting the monster steel retainer clip (the big thing that
holds the lock cylinder in the hole in the door) on and off. I usually
break it loose by prying carefully with a big screwdriver, reaching
through one of the access holes of the door from the inside. It'll slide
back on by hand; put a little grease on it first.

> Is it better to go to the junkyard and pull some out of an old car?

That seems like a lot of trouble to go to in order to wind up with a
lock that requires a different key from all the others for your car,
unless you then have a locksmith redo it to match, after which he'll
mention that you could have bought one brand new from him in the first
place.  ;-)

Okay, here's the boring details...

If you do go hunting for a used lock cylinder, make sure the lock
cylinder has the right cut for your car key (notice the letter stamped
on the side of your key). Different GM models in different years used
different code letters. Different letter keys have a different profile
if you look at them end-on. Also keep in mind that the driver's door
cylinder on the junk car will probably be a lot more worn than the
passenger's door cylinder. Same part on both sides, but the driver's
door will be a lot sloppier. Assuming you picked a used cylinder that
will fit your existing key's profile (i.e. you can stick the key in,
even though it obviously won't turn), you can then have the cylinder
redone to match your specific key cut.

> or should I just go to the Olds Dealer and buy a new pair?

I'd buy new, from the dealer, a locksmith or an auto-parts outfit; the
lock cylinders are not expensive (they're just cheap pot-metal castings
anyway). Buy only the cylinder that you need; the dealer or locksmith
will code it to match your existing keys and locks.
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:22:25 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds...pics avail????

Is there any way to get ANY pics of the 67 hurst hairy olds????  B/w or
color???
that would be nice to have.  I see they use one sometimes on the cover of the
olds perf chapter magazine, its small and in b/w, but they gotta get that pic
from somewhere, right???
Bernie

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:25:01 -0500
From: "Edwin R. Burger III" <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: Cam and Carb Advice

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I want to replace the cam and carb on my '70 442.  Right now, It has a =
Holley 4150 carb (not sure how big, but 750 cfm +) and the stock 442 =
cam.  It's an air conditioned car; I've been told before that the air =
conditioned cars have the w-30 cam installed.  I plan to drive the car =
daily, and plan on making a cross country trip with it this summer.  =
This means nothing radical.  I would still like a huge amount of  torque =
though.  Can anyone suggest a cam/carb that would help out the car?  The =
Holley on it right now its extreme overkill.  I think it is a 900 cfm =
model.

Thanks for your time,
Ed Burger
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:23:37 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70 OG vs OW tranny

Djbrand407@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the " OG " and " OW "
> transmissions. 

The OG and OW basically differ from governor, valve body, torque
converter calibrations, and clutch # in the direct clutch.  The W-30
uses 6 clutch discs instead of 5, and no wave plates.  And of course,
the OW was only available with W-30 package.  You can get your OG trans
built to way beyond OW specs though.  It's just cool to see the factory
had some real performance enhancements in mind.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:31:12 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost

hey, i know how that is!  if you managed to get a copy of the 1996 national
oldsmobile club meet that was held in atlanta georgia, youll see my dads
crystal blue '67 442 in the beginning.  thing is, they missed going by on a
close up of that row later on in the video!!!  doh!!!

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:30:47 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Exhaust

> If you want a long lasting, aluminized, cat-back dual exhaust system, go
> with the 1985-87 Olds 442 exhaust.

True. I've still got the original exhaust on my 85. But they aren't
aluminized such as a Flowmaster system, etc.  They are galvinized. At
least the replacements I bought from GM are that are just waiting in
storage for restoration day. They sound mellow, but throaty, and are
guaranteed to fit.  Just make sure you get the correct hangers too.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:29:35 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: 80 Cutlass AC dissasembly

Hi all.

I've been trying to get some work done on my 1980 Cutlass Calais but I'm
hitting a few snags since I'm not familiar with the finer points of the
G-bodies, and none of my automotive manuals are that new. :)

My major concern right now is the heater/AC box assembly on the
firewall.  The lower half of it was completely shattered by the previous
owner while removing the engine/transmission assembly.  I'm going to
have to either patch it with a few yards of fiberglass cloth or replace
it altogether.  Trouble is, I can't get the damn thing off to do either,
despite having easier acess to it since the engine is still out. 

Is there anyone who's done this that can tell me how it's done?  I have
removed the inner fenderwell on the passenger side to gain easier acess
to the box, and I've taken all the hardware out I could find that
connects the lower half to the firewall and the upper half, but I can't
remove it.  Allthough I can wiggle it some.  Does anyone know what I'm
missing here?    

Thanks in advance for any info.  Man I wish that I'd have known in
Lansing that I would be buying a 1980 Calais T-top less than a month
later.  It would have been so easy to snag a shop manual.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme 
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:05:54 -0500
From: "Harry Zimmerman" <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers

- ----------
> From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
> To: Oldsmobile Mail List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: MAYBE an Olds Subject - Speakers
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 9:10 PM
> 
> I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
> am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
> 
> 
> 2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
> 6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
> a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone with
> experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand...   

For the money, the Pioneer 4-way 6x9's sound great, I have a pair in the
back of my '71 Cutlass convertible.  If you want the best, go for Infinity
Kappa's or MB Quart.  Same for the fronts.  I'm using Infinity Kappa 4"-
they are $100, the MB Quart are around $250, too much for me.
                                      				-greg

>-- 
>              		    Jerry Christopher
>      ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
>  ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> _=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:08:33 -0500
From: "Harry Zimmerman" <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 2 bbl carb

My '71 Cutlass had this option (until a few years ago, heh heh heh).  If
you're interested I have a couple origional cast iron 4bbl manifolds and a
built 750 Quadrajet from "THE Carberator Shop" in California sitting
around...
- -greg


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> From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 2 bbl carb
> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 1997 12:10 AM
> 
> Am looking for some ridiculous information:
> 
> My 1972 Cutlass Supreme was special ordered with a 2 BBL carb. (The
> original paperwork shows a 33.00 CR)  I am trying to find out how many
> times this occured for the 72 model year. Need to know if I am wasting
> my time on something that was never tracked.  Any advice appreciated.
> (Almost any advice that is...)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joe
> 72 Cutlass Supreme
> 62,000 original miles

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:25:51 -0500
From: "Harry Zimmerman" <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Where to get car painted in Pensacola, FL?

I need to get my '71 Cutlass painted and have my new quarter panels
installed.  I'm getting stationed in Pensacola, Florida.  Any
recommendations would be highly appreciated.

- -greg

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:39:22 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 W-30 (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)

There was
>a discussion on the list about a year or so ago that said there were 
only 54
>W-30's produced in 1966. Think this could be one of those "rarities"?

Jim Stohlman (Stohlman Olds/Alexandria, Va) has 3 of the 54 (I've only 
seen two, but have been told 3) '66 W-30's. They're all RED (and I mean 
red!). One of them isn't a 442. 
One of them was at the CCR Olds show a little while back. It was the 
only car that impressed my non-olds best friend that came with me to the 
show.

Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S

P.S. - That last statement wasn't true. His favorite car there was 
actually Joe Pavadano's Sebring Yellow W-30. 

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 11:57:07 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 307 Exhaust

Hooker makes a Cat-back 2.5" dual system for these cars that is supposed to
fit excellent and be of excellent quality.  It's about $270 from Summit or
Jegs.  It includes hangers and a test pipe to replace your cat with if you
like.  It is aluminized.

Napa also sells a stock replacement system for the Hurst/442 that's nearly
identical to the factory system but cheaper.  I think the NAPA part numbers
for this are in the FAQ.

Don't bother with Torque Tech.  They advertise a 2.5" system but it doesn't
exist, it's been in development to be released "any day now" for about 2
years.  Call them and they'll try to upsell you their 3" system instead.  They
do have a 3" system available, but I think that's overkill unless you're
all-out race or you have a big block.

For the ultimate exhaust system.  ATR makes a cat-back stainless dual system.
It's spendy though, I think around $600-$700.  As soon as Ed McMahon stops by
with my $10 million, I'll rush right out to buy one.

Mike Rothe wrote:

> > If you want a long lasting, aluminized, cat-back dual exhaust system, go
> > with the 1985-87 Olds 442 exhaust.
>
> True. I've still got the original exhaust on my 85. But they aren't
> aluminized such as a Flowmaster system, etc.  They are galvinized. At
> least the replacements I bought from GM are that are just waiting in
> storage for restoration day. They sound mellow, but throaty, and are
> guaranteed to fit.  Just make sure you get the correct hangers too.
>
> Mike Rothe

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:23:51 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Givethanksing

     I'm heading out......be back online Monday (remember I have no
home PC...yet). Wishing everyone the best for the Holiday (pun intended)
or whatever kind of Olds you have :)
     
===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 12:21:33 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '66 W-30 (Was Re: car craft / metal thing)

>actually Joe Pavadano's Sebring Yellow W-30. 
 
oops!!!!!   sorry Joe :-)



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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:26:27 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: car humor

Chevrolet Beretta- People can hear my bass from across town

Chevrolet Caprice Classic- I long to be a New York cab driver

Ford Festiva- I work at Ford and get a great discount

Ford Pinto- I am a pyromaniac

GMC Safari- I have a spouse and 2.3 kids

Lincoln Navigator- I wnated to go muddin' while sitting in leather seats

Mercury Cougar- Can't decide between a Gran Marquis or a Thunderbird

- -- 
**********************************
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 10:16:07 +0000
From: "Rick Copithorne" <Richardc#mail.equitrac.com@[192.168.0.1]>
Subject: Re: parting 69 4-4-2

Do you happen to have the Tick Clock

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 14:19:43 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: My Olds made the cover, well almost

Dave,
I thought that was your car. Was gonna ask if you saw the pictures/publication to verify if it was.

Hey, could you autograph my copy, Mr. Wyatt, sir?   :-)

On another note, you remember the H/O conv. at the Indy show and later me asking if it was the same guy in Hemmings.  Well, I saw on Bryceman's page, I think, that the car is for sale.  His name is Joey Steffen or Steffens, it's a 72 H/O conv and it is VERY nice.  think he was asking $20K something.

Happy Turkey Day everyone.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris @abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31, which rarely comes out of the garage let alone make the cover of a magazine
1969 4-4-2 parts car, which is better left in the classifieds of any magazine
plus others

- ----------
> I recieved my copy of the Olds paper/magazine that OCA members have been
> getting from Oldsmobile.  On the cover was a picture of the cars on the
> bridge in Lansing.  If you look real close you can see some of my
> Sebring Yellow through the open hood of a tourqoise W car.  The guy
> wearing the H/O jacket is looking at my car.  The same picture inside is
> larger and you can see the details better.  This is probably the only
> time I will ever get a car on the cover of any magazine.

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:09:41 -0500 (EST)
From: ted rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: w-30

What does W-30 mean??? I Have a 66 cutlass is it w-30 or what?


  Tks,Ted Rollins

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 16:03:06 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Happy Holiday's!

A warm Happy Thanksgiving to all of my Olds friends here on the list and 
to the local Detroit Street Rockets.

I will be spending lots of time in/out/over/under/about my Cutlass and 
the Wagon this holiday weekend...

WOO HOO!!!! Life doesn't get any better than this!

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:25:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

[snipped description of the sound system]

> The remaining
> 200 watts goes into 4 10" sub-woofers connected in series/parallel.
> Maybe your experience with the 10" spooked you, but that is the best all
> round driver, in a sealed cabinet it'll give you the low rumble and the
> snappy punch that makes your hair stand. 


Four 10" subwoofers (in one car) seems excessive to me for several reasons,
but I will only mention one of them here.  Safety.  Do you really need four
of these giant drivers?  I think it's important to be able to hear sirens,
horns, screeching tires and other sounds around you while you drive.

Now if you tell me that you don't turn it up too loud, then I applaud your
restraint in keeping such a system down.  But I would ask you why you have
four subwoofers in a system when one would do just as well at low volumes?

You might think I'm a person that just doesn't appreciate music, but in
truth I not only enjoy music, I'm the lead singer of a local band, so I'm
very much into music.

I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
one car.  Am I alone in this view?

- -- 
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:29:13 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: plug gap....and then some..........

im putting a 71 rocket 350 into an 86 cutlass salon....the 71 has the 86 HEI.

what should i gap the plugs at?  .060 or .080 ac delco of course

what about the computer hook up??  ditch it? also im putting in a gm 4 spd
auto, what about the overdrive?? If i ditch the comp, how do i engage it?

the 4spd has a horiz. mtd tag on the trans on the tail, letters  "o" on the
left and "g" on the right. The tag color is yellow,w/the letters in nat.
metal.  In the middle of the bellhousing, there is a large "2", then to the
left of that sorta hand done, is the #422

finally, i see that people can answer a letter, ques by ques, w/a response
right after the ques., uh, how do you do that?? E-mail to the list or
directly,
thanks, enjoy your turkey dinners!!!
Bernie NJ

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:36:46 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Seeing all of this speaker and stereo stuff, reminds me of an article that
was in the local Phoenix paper three weeks ago.  It involved a kid and his
mother, and she wanted him to get involved in a constructive hobby along
with her, so they started on stereo's. 

Anyway the point is, they have a F*rd Bronco that weighs 12,000 pounds.  It
has 40+ 12"subs and putts out 45k watts.  It hit 169 decibals.  They have
had to put pneumatic locks to keep the doors on, and re-inforced glass
etc...  A little excessive, since it cost 125k to do.

Pretty outrageous.

Happy turkey.......

G




At 05:25 PM 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>[snipped description of the sound system]
>
>> The remaining
>> 200 watts goes into 4 10" sub-woofers connected in series/parallel.
>> Maybe your experience with the 10" spooked you, but that is the best all
>> round driver, in a sealed cabinet it'll give you the low rumble and the
>> snappy punch that makes your hair stand. 
>
>
>Four 10" subwoofers (in one car) seems excessive to me for several reasons,
>but I will only mention one of them here.  Safety.  Do you really need four
>of these giant drivers?  I think it's important to be able to hear sirens,
>horns, screeching tires and other sounds around you while you drive.
>
>Now if you tell me that you don't turn it up too loud, then I applaud your
>restraint in keeping such a system down.  But I would ask you why you have
>four subwoofers in a system when one would do just as well at low volumes?
>
>You might think I'm a person that just doesn't appreciate music, but in
>truth I not only enjoy music, I'm the lead singer of a local band, so I'm
>very much into music.
>
>I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
>one car.  Am I alone in this view?
>
>-- 
>Drew
>                    _
>                    |\            Convertibles                     Drew Senko
>     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                   Vienna, VA, USA
>     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
>     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
>_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________
>
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 14:39:52 -0800 (PST)
From: PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu
Subject: the great 442 controversy

I'm no olds expert, but I was under the impression that the '70 442s were
the fastest because that's the only year with a 10.25 to 1 compression 455.
Are the 66 W-30's the ones with tri-power?  Is that enough to make a 400 
faster than a 455?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 17:40:20 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: test, dont read

test test

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:59:03 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Charlie the magnet

CRuper1@aol.com writes:
>Geez, I think Charlie B. has more Oldsmobiles than that (recently added
title of Olds 
>magnet is
>very appropriate...)

OK, but is he a magnet, magnate, or both?


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 13:17:46 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d

At 09:56 AM 11/26/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Jerry Christopher wrote:
>> 
>> I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
>> am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
>> 
>> 2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
>> 6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
>> a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone 

I put the infinity 3.5's in mine about 6 monthes ago. I've gone through
several front speakers and personally these are definitly my favorite. The
provide a great frontal sound stage and don't require a large amount of
power. The "preffered" way would be to put a component system in the front,
which is what I was going to do until I got these infinity's for free and
was so impressed by them... Lot less labor too.


>> experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand... 
>> I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
>> impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
>> something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels >>without
dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>

A friend of mine that does stereo installs reccomended the Cerwin Vega
SS-6903. They have an excellent mid's and high's but can still go down
pretty low w/o distorting. Snappy tight bass...
 
Personally, I have two 6.5 under each rear quarter glass, tweeters in the
stock location, and a pair of subs behind the seats. Setup up with the
crossover I still have great imaging with the infinities, which kinda
suprised me...

Hope this helps...


T. H. Shires			81 Rckt 359

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:21:09 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet Question

> I ripped out the back seat of my 70 rallye 350. Where would I find the
> buildsheet? Is it underneath the upholstery? It wasn't in the foam. I found

        As I've heard from several different people, Doc, I can call you "Doc",
can't I?  =B)  Anyways, the build sheet can apparently be in any number of
locations...perhaps even on top of the fuel tank!!  If you're really determined
to find it, I think you'll have some partial dismantling/searching to do.  I am
not THAT desperate to find my build sheet...but I would really like to come
across it while doing a necessary repair/upgrade.

> two little tags on the rear door panel. It said "33687" on blue paper, and
> the other one read off, "LAN 6, or JAN 6." I know what the 33687 means, but I
> don't know what the other one is? Any ideas?

        The tag(s) are most likely identification tags or specification tags, and
I'd go upon the assumption that it was JAN 6, being the assembly date of the car,
January 6, 1970.  The exact month & day cars were built aren't covered in the
VIN, so the door tag, aside from the build sheet, is one of the only ways I know
of telling the car's exact age (and the body plate, of course, usually on the
passenger side of the car, on the outside of the firewall somewhere, perhaps on
the top, just under the hood's cowl area.)
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:59:03 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: freon

"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>Yet, the customers got charged $50 
>a lb.
>for what was used, and I wonder if they ever GOT $50 a lb. back if 
>their system
>was just evacuated and then turned out to be too expensive to fix...?

Well, when I fixed the AC on the ~other~ car, I was charged for removal
of the freon by the mechanic I took it to.  I was also charged for labor
for the recharge, and would have been charged for freon, too, but I had
some R-12 stashed.  The customer gets it coming and going.  


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 15:29:14 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d

Tracy H. Shires wrote:

> I put the infinity 3.5's in mine about 6 monthes ago. I've gone through
> several front speakers and personally these are definitly my favorite. The
> provide a great frontal sound stage and don't require a large amount of
> power. The "preffered" way would be to put a component system in the front,
> which is what I was going to do until I got these infinity's for free and
> was so impressed by them... Lot less labor too.

I'll give a second endorsement for the Infinity 3.5" speakers.  I have them in
front on my '84 H/O and I'm very happy with them.  I'd buy them again if I had
another car that needed some.  A component system would be the best way, but
I'm not about to hack up the doors on my H/O.

I have some Kenwood 4x10's in the rear.  I wish I'd have gone the 6x9 route
using an adaptor.  Probably would have sounded better.

> >> experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand...
> >> I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
> >> impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
> >> something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels >>without
> dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>

I've got two 8" Pioneer subs in the trunk in a really cool custom box that
perfectly fits on that "shelf" back there, amp (with crossover) is mounted on
the side of the box and there are pockets on the back of the box where I put
jumper cables, flares, oil, first aid kit, fire extinguisher, and other misc.
items.  I can remove the box by unscrewing three power terminals, pulling off
the RCA connections, and unclipping the two restraint belts that I fastened on
each side which clip to the seat back to keep the box in place.  10's would
have fit just fine, but I got the 8's for next to nothing used.  Not thumpy,
not loud, just livens up that bass some.

- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:42:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: Speakers Cutlass 2d

Reply to message from twodogs@ou.edu of Wed, 26 Nov
>
>At 09:56 AM 11/26/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>Jerry Christopher wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am looking for "Awesome" speakers for an 87 Cutlass Supreme 2dr, and I
>>> am running into a little snag...  Well two actually.
>>> 
>>> 2. Dealers try to push THEIR money brand...  I like the Pioneer 4-Way
>>> 6x9s, but I can't listen to them in my car before I buy them, as well as
>>> a preference to the Infiniti front speakers (3 1/2???)  Can someone 
>
>I put the infinity 3.5's in mine about 6 monthes ago. I've gone through
>several front speakers and personally these are definitly my favorite. The
>provide a great frontal sound stage and don't require a large amount of
>power. The "preffered" way would be to put a component system in the front,
>which is what I was going to do until I got these infinity's for free and
>was so impressed by them... Lot less labor too.
>
>
>>> experience with the 6X9 class of speakers give a novice a hand... 
>>> I've been down the 10inch woofers with big amp route...  Not
>>> impressed...  I want a good all over sound, not just bass, but yet
>>> something that will handle me dropping the bass to low levels >>without
>dropping my wallet everytime I blow them...  <G>
>
>A friend of mine that does stereo installs reccomended the Cerwin Vega
>SS-6903. They have an excellent mid's and high's but can still go down
>pretty low w/o distorting. Snappy tight bass...
> 
   So, basically your looking for something all around :) this is basically
what i have setup in my '87 supreme, here's the setup i'm running, the
radio is a pioneer am/fm/casette, front speakers are still factory and need
replacing, and 2 pioneer 3-way 6x9's in the back (fun trying to fit in) and
an 8" olympian sub in a bandpass box in the trunk running on a 300 watt
amp, i have a crossover on the 6x9's (generic radioshack) so they don't
distort, if i leave the bass down a little it sounds great, but still has
the ability to drop the bass low and loud enough to make a full can of pop
jump around on the trunk when turned up :) before i got the 8 sub, i had
the 6x9's running off the amp with no crossover and it sounded great just
lacked the kick the sub gives,
good luck
- -Josh
'70 delta 88
'72 4-4-2
'87 supreme (soon to be '70 350 powered)

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__             
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:53:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: 350 CCC, "P" type EGR Valve

Hi Thomas,

> vacuum signal from the ECM.  With the 350 comes more exhaust, and I am
> suspecting more pressure, so it opens early.  If I disconnect it, the

Hmmm... wouldn't more exhaust pressure indicate that there is also more
incoming air, which would be able to accomodate more EGR?

> high gear moderate acceleration.  Disconnect, and a slight hesitation is
> there, but nothing like when the EGR is connected.  I wonder if it is
> going lean at that time (ECM program) and the EGR just makes it worse.

This makes sense.  My guess is that the 307-optimized MAP table(s)?  
results in power mode not engaging at the appropriate moment or to a
sufficient degree.  Disconnecting the EGR valve only addresses the
symptom, not the cause.  Does increasing the throttle alleviate this
stumble?  Does this episode persist at a particular throttle opening, or
is it transient?  BTW, is there any detonation when the EGR is
disconnected?

> Should I change the EGR to a normal, not "N" or "P" type?  Does the ECM
> want to keep things lean during part throttle acceleration?  I have

During cruise conditions, the ECM tries to maintain a stoichiometric A/F
ratio (14.7:1) by monitoring O2 sensor readings.  When MAP drops, and/or
TPS voltage increases, the ECM mimics the role of the power piston by
decreasing M/C solenoid dwell, hence richening the mixture.  It would be
great to see some Diacom or scantool readings to get a better picture of
what is happening.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:54:09 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 445 cams

Chris Miller writes:

>I have a 455 engine with a Comp Cams 292 in it and would like to de-cam
>it a little.  The cam has great power but the powerband its way to
>high!

How did you install the cam, Chris ? Straight up, advanced or retarded ?
You could shift the powerband down in the RPM range if you advanced the cam
a couple of degrees.

I'm running a JM-20/22 (the specs on which another member posted recently)
installed 2 degrees advanced. With a Performer manifold and 800 QJ I can
maintain 15-16 in/Hg vacuum at about an 800 RPM idle in gear. Through the
exhaust (headers & 2.25 inch dual flowmasters) and with J heads in a 3700lb
car w/3.90s I've been able to go a best of 13.3 @ 103 with average runs in
the 13.4-13.5 range at 101. So, it's possible to get fairly decent
performance out of the 20/22 and have good driveability also. I can say I'd
recommend it.

Now a question: has anyone out there had any experience with JM's larger
cams ? Like everyone else, I'm drooling over the new Edelbrock aluminum
heads and was thinking: "While I'm there, maybe a little bigger cam would
be in order".

Since I'm running manual brakes and the car sees only limited street use, I
could live with a little more radical idle and lower vacuum.

Anyone used the JM-22/25 or 25/28 ? Impressions ?

Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:14:12 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Givethanksing

Happy Thanksgiving to all the USA people here.  If this list isn't something
to give thanks for, then we aren't trying.  Enjoy the family - including the
in-laws

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>     I'm heading out......be back online Monday (remember I have no
>home PC...yet). Wishing everyone the best for the Holiday (pun intended)
>or whatever kind of Olds you have :)
>
>===
>John

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 19:18:44 -0500
From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: On the way to Work...

Paul L. Fikaris wrote:

> 
> Personally, I'm thankful for my family, friends, health, etc.
> Hope everyone has a pleasant holiday, Thanks for your entertaining and
> informative comments on this list.
> 
While on my way home from work tonight I glanced down at my odometer and
saw 45444.2 I know its not a big deal but being in a simular meloncoly
(sp) mood I thought I would mention it. The car is a 82 cutlass supreme
w/T-Tops and a 403 milage is really 145444,2. 
 I also would like to waste bandwith and wish everyone a safe happy
thanksgiving and thank all of you for a pleasent year of reading the
mesgs on the list.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 18:18:54 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Engine paint

The GTO piece sat on the Q-Jet w/one snorkel pointed nearly straight on &
the other to one side.  The snorkels are also small in comparison to the
'68-'69 Olds Ram Air set ups.  If one would work, I'd use it for my '68
which is missing same.

A dual one similar to the Olds unit is off the '70's Corvette.  It has one
snorkel pointed a little down towards the engine while the other is straight
on.  Can you tell that I have one of those?

Bill Culp    bculp@HiWAAY.net
Decatur, Alabama
'62 Jetfire - '67 Toronado - '68 442 convertible


>>Has anybody come across a dual snorkel air cleaner in a non-Olds
>>car?  A friend of mine said he came across one in a Grand Prix early
>>model.
>>
>>Clay
>>69 442 convertible
>>
>
>Pontiac used dual snorkrl air cleaners on GTO's (non ram-air) from '68
>to the early '70's. I don't know if it is the same one that Olds used.
>
>Brent Pinkstaff
>'70 Cutlass S
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 20:17:27 -0500 (EST)
From: BradRoss79@aol.com
Subject: Mobil 1

I had been planning to try some Mobil 1 oil in my 71 Delta  (455).
A friend of mine told me that he tried that stuff in his F*rd van once.
He said that after he put the oil in, he could hear the engine ticking.
Have any of you used or do you use Mobil 1.  I only heard good things about
it until my friend said something.  His van probably made noise anyhow,
because it is
a F*rd -- in other words: a peice of scrap.  
Just thought I would ask before I took a chance.
I did perform an experiment with Mobil 1, though.  I got two jars, put some
regular oil in one, and Mobil 1 in the other.  Then I put them in the
freezer.  The Mobli 1 stays thinner then the regular oil.
Thanks in advance for your input.

                                         Happy Thanksgiving

Brad Ross
OCA #026076
Swartz Creek, MI
1971 Delta Royale
1971 Delta Custom
ALWAYS A STEP AHEAD

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 97 21:17:07 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Speakers - MAYBE an Olds Subject

Drew Senko writes:
>I just can't comprehend the need for this many subwoofers of this size in
>one car.  Am I alone in this view?

Not alone at all, Drew. I too enjoy the sound of stereo... Stereo in the 
form of three inch exhaust pipes with crossover, Performance mufflers 
purring forth Oldsmobile Raw Torque... Don't forget that all important 
Radio Delete plate!


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 21:41:39 -0500
From: "Kenneth Johnston" <omnibus@flash.net>
Subject: 86 Olds cutlass

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:06:20 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: solid body '70 - '72 cutlass

   olds guy in Ga has a friend with several  cutlass's  parts cars.. solid
bodies...

      thanks  jeff,,,

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:08:35 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: woodgrain stickers

   i think i have a radio brace... olds guy ga...

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:21:10 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: PARTS: New Items

  jim, how much for the console lid and hinge?  thanks for the looking for
the letters.
  for the hood they are for a friend. the lid is for me...
   what are you looking for?

   let me know  happy t-giving.. jefff

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:28:31 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Givethanksing

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> 
> Happy Thanksgiving to all the USA people here.  If this list isn't something
> to give thanks for, then we aren't trying.  Enjoy the family - including the
> in-laws

Bill, I too would add a Happy Thanksgiving to all, including my mother
in law, who so graciously keeps track of my faults.  I knew things had
been too quiet around here for a few weeks.  Explosions today complete
with shortcomings list.  Her loss.  Everyone have a good safe holiday. 
Remember every Olds you don't wreck is another survivor.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:30:45 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Mobil 1

BradRoss79@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I had been planning to try some Mobil 1 oil in my 71 Delta  (455).
> A friend of mine told me that he tried that stuff in his F*rd van once.
> He said that after he put the oil in, he could hear the engine ticking.
> Have any of you used or do you use Mobil 1.  I only heard good things about
> it until my friend said something.  His van probably made noise anyhow,
> because it is
> a F*rd -- in other words: a peice of scrap.
> Just thought I would ask before I took a chance.
> I did perform an experiment with Mobil 1, though.  I got two jars, put some
> regular oil in one, and Mobil 1 in the other.  Then I put them in the
> freezer.  The Mobli 1 stays thinner then the regular oil.
> Thanks in advance for your input.
 
Sure, synthetic oils are the way to go, if you don't mind the elevated
costs that are associated with it, such as a jump from $1.79 to $6.49
per liter...(I'm a Canadian).

I'm certainly convinced that synthetic oils will lubricate your engine
better, protect during cold starts, etc.  I've heard a few horror
stories regarding synthetics, though.  Number one...synthetic oil will
find any potential oil leak your engine may have.  It's molecules are
smaller, so any small "sweat" around your oil pan or rocker covers will
soon turn into a leak.  Number two...if your engine uses any oil,
synthetic oils will gum up the plugs and combustion chamber terribly,
which will decrease plug life...(this is only a *rumour*).

But here's some food for thought...an "associate" of mine (friend of a
friend...) had a '77 GMC truck.  He switched over from Valvoline 10W-30
to Castrol Syntec 5W-50.  He didn't flush the crankcase, which was full
of 20 years worth of residue.  He added a bottle of oil treatment (aka.
Wonder-bullsh*t).  This caused some sort of a chemical reaction, and
made the oil as viscous as water, which seized the engine.  Since he was
towing a tractor, he left the truck out there in the field for six or
eight hours.  He had it towed back to his garage, where he drained the
oil out...it was as thin as water, even though the oil was only at room
temperature.  (the oil was only a couple days old, and it looked like it
has five thousand miles on it...black as coal.)
I'm told that the combination of conventional oil (even residue),
synthetic oil, and oil treatment can cause a chemical breakdown of the
oil, stripping it's lubricating abilities.

If you're going to try synthetic, flush your crankcase first...just to
be on the safe side.  

- ---------------------------------------- 
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net 

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 22:26:42 -0500
From: George S Case <gpcase@compuserve.com>
Subject: Edelbrock Heads /Mouldings

I have been reading all the information about the new Edelbrock heads and
was
very excited about them until I read that they require the tall valve
covers. Most of the catalogs that I have state that tall valve covers will
not work with power brakes or power steering. I have a '70 Olds 442 that
has both power steering and power brakes. What are my options. I am in the
middle of a frame off restoration and now would be a good time to switch
heads if I am going to do it.

I am also looking for the mouldings for the front of the hood and trunk
lid. All the catalogs that I have show them as being discontinued.

Last question. The frame is all done but I was thinking about welding a
piece of steel to the center of the frame to make it boxed like the rest of
the frame. I want to race the car once in a while and i thought it couldn't
hurt to give some extra strength to the frame. I am not worried about
originallity because the engine has already been modified.

The body is currently being dipped at a place in Mass. and then it is off
to the body shop.

Thanks for any help


George Case
Manchester, NH
gpcase@compuserve.com

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