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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, November 15 1997     Volume 01 : Number 956



Re: Police Chases
Re: Convertible top switch connections
Oldsmo-snow
Re: Threats to Safety (long)
Pricing
Front Headlight supports
Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...
Re: the Quad 442
1977 Oldsmobile Omega - 305 V8 - 2bbl
Re: Front Headlight supports
Re: Junk yard Find
Re: Oldsmo-snow
Re: Junk yard Find
Re: Junk yard Find
ADVANCE AUTO PARTS AND BATTERIES FIRST ANNUAL SHOW AND SHINE
UNBOUNCE: '50 Olds
UNBOUNCE: Antique Olds Pricing
UNBOUNCE: '77 Omega Engine Problems
Re: Looking for beauty rings
Re: Oldsmo-snow
Sport Wheel
Re: Greetin's and Salutations
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
66 olds tripower 4SALE
Re: transmission problem
Re: MSD Help!!!
Re: A-body rear ends
Re: transmission problem
Re: Police Chases
Re: Holley TBI
Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...
Re: Oldsmo-snow
Re: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
Re: transmission problem
Re: Cooling topics
Head I.D.
Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...
Photofact for Wonderbar Radio
Re: Cooling topics
Re: 307 on nitrous...
Re: MSD Help!!!
Sky Rocket
Re: MSD Help!!!
Re: Holley TBI
Re: Oldsmo-snow
Re: Oldsmo-snow
Speedo correction
Re: UNBOUNCE: '50 Olds
Re: 57 OLDS J/2
Re: Cooling topics (long)
Carb question
Re: Used Cars
'73-'77 rear suspensions
Re: Carb question
Re: Sky Rocket
Re: Carb question
Re: Front Headlight supports
Re: Convertible top switch connections

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:19:49 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Police Chases

> Anybody see the most recent episode of World's Scariest Police Chases
on
> last night on Fox?

Ayup...

> Anyway,
> there was also a late seventies Cutlass Salon, the fast-back style.
It
> must've had the 231 V6 cuz the smokey was all over the back end of
this
> guy.  The cop eventually got the rear end of the Olds sideways and it
spun
> out and flipped into a ditch.

Actually I think it was the Buick version.

And the narrator kept calling it a Chevy. Sigh...
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 12:22:12 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible top switch connections

>Now examining my wiring setup further I found
>that the top switch on my '69 442 has an orange wire with a black
stripe
>into the middle which would be the main "power" feed.

Orange denotes a circuit that's hot at all times. But I've wondered what
the black tracer means, when it's there. Does that signify a circuit
protected by a circuit breaker instead of a fuse?
- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:25:42 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Oldsmo-snow

I had been driving the 4-4-2 to work lately, trying to hang on to the
last good moments of the year.  Yesterday after arriving home in the
cold but dry weather, things went to h*ll.  It started snowing at home
around 5:30 pm EST.  South of here it had started a little earlier in
the day.  We got 1 to 2 inches of snow last night and it was melting by
mid morning.  The upper two thirds of Indiana got blanketed by the white
stuff.  I guess this means the end of fall, in spite of what the
calendar says.  I can hope things dry off and warm up so I can
Oldsmobile a few more times before winter stays.

Dave (I drive a rocket, not a snow plow) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:26:28 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Threats to Safety (long)

Don Sowers notes:

> The same thing happened to my daughter's 92 T-bird in McDonald's parking
> lot recently.  Never had that happen to me, but I did have the pin come
> out of the end of the tie rod on a 77 Corvette one time while I was
> driving it in Lexington, Ky on the most used road in the area.  I had
> stopped at a traffic light, pulled away when it turned green and
> wondered why it felt a little "off".  Went about a mile until I could
> get to an easy place to pull off and crawl underneath.  Quite a little
> surprise.  Potentially a big problem in a fiberglass body.

Don,

Your daughter was lucky it happened to her T-Bird in a parking lot, rather
than at speed; and you as well with the 'Vette.  I had yet another incident
happen to me in a '67 Cuda convert. I had in college.  We were just sitting
in a parking lot one night, when we heard a loud bang, like a gunshot,
and the front driver's side of the car dropped abruptly.  We first thought
that someone had shot that tire out; it turned out that the portion of
the subframe which held the torsion bar -- that ubiquitous suspension piece
amongst Chrysl*rs of that era -- had been rotting away and had chosen that
moment to let go, releasing the torsional stress in the bar and making a big
racket in the process...

> Second question, where do you live that the white stuff is already
> falling?  We got a little flurry activity in central Ky yesterday, but
> mostly rain.  You must be located a good deal north of here.  Seems a
> little early for winter to be here.

Yup, you're correct; I'm in the higher latitudes, just outside o' Boston.
I work in Cambridge in Kendall Sq. (just outside of the MIT campus proper),
in view of the courthouse where that Louise Woodward trial was held --
a month & a half after I had jury duty there (whew!)

But this snow is early even for us, and will prolly be just a memory by
Monday morn...


Tim (I Also Missed the O'Brien Murder Trial by a Week) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:07:45 -0500
From: Peter Downes <Peter.Downes@ssa.gov>
Subject: Pricing

I would like to know where to go to find out what antique Oldsmobiles
are worth. Is there a web site? Pete

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:34:55 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Front Headlight supports

Hi all,

On 68 442's front head light supports, the part that holds the lamp
bucket in place on the radiator core support, can these be swapped
out with new ones.  I haven't tried yet to pull them off.  I hope
they are not affixed to the core support permanently.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:36:34 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...

If your HEI is working okay, I don't see any benefit to a new distributor
unless you plan on turning 7,000 RPM and require the precision of a billet
distributor.

No, you don't have a vacuum distributor.  It's computer controlled.

I've got both a high-output coil and an MSD box on my '84 H/O.  The Accell
HEI Supercoil and wires didn't make much difference at all.  The MSD 6AL
unit is nice though, but it may not be $175 worth of nice if you know what I
mean.  The car starts much quicker, idles smoother, is snappier and power is
much smoother up until about 3,000-4000RPM.  I can't tell a differene after
that.

John Stolarski wrote:

> Hey gang, I was hoping someone could clear this up for me...would it be
> beneficial to me to put in a new HEI for my 307? Summit has about 4 or 5
> in thier catalog...also, does anyone know if an 86 307 is a vacuum
> distributor or not...I have no idea, if someone could explain all of
> that I'd appreciate it...sorry its a stupid question...
>
> Second, would an MSD 6A box be worth it, or would a 50,000 volt HEI be
> more than enough...I'm not running on the strip yet...thats for whenever
> i FINALLY get the new engine in...
>
> Thanks a lot!
> John Stolarski
> '86 C/S
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:37:46 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

On Fri, 14 Nov 1997, Joseph Gambaccini wrote:

> > Pocket rockets rule!  definitely a car worthy of the 442 logo!!
>
> two very different cars from two very different eras.  one is the q4,
> the other is the 442 - case closed.
>
> jg '72 442/455
>
Is there a 442 emblem on the side of the car or not?  Own one and youll
know.  nuff said!!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 97 19:53:21 UT
From: "Errol Dennis" <leomerlin@classic.msn.com>
Subject: 1977 Oldsmobile Omega - 305 V8 - 2bbl

HELP!!!!
After coming to a stop, I stepped on the accelerator and my car cut off, I
heard a clanking-clanking soud.  My car would not start.  I tried starting it
about four times, I heard the same clank-clank-clank noise each time from the
front of the engine.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:16:54 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Front Headlight supports

Hey Chris

I have many Core supports (all southern and for sale) and none have the
headlight pots attached so I would think thet are removable

Bob

- ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Front Headlight supports
> Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 2:34 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> On 68 442's front head light supports, the part that holds the lamp
> bucket in place on the radiator core support, can these be swapped
> out with new ones.  I haven't tried yet to pull them off.  I hope
> they are not affixed to the core support permanently.
>
> Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:20:14 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

I have the mounting brackets and the glass is good and sorry $35 for the
pair wouldn't do
I would like $50 plus shipping

Bob

- ----------
> From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Friday, November 14, 1997 7:07 AM
>
>  'i'd pay $35 pr which would include shipping, do they have the brackets
for
> the
> mounting? isthe glass ok     jeff....

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 14:50:55 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmo-snow

At 01:25 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:

Dave

        Sounds like winter has already set in. Heh, Heh! :) Just chilly down
here in Virginia. No snow for us yet.

Jim Chermack

>I had been driving the 4-4-2 to work lately, trying to hang on to the
>last good moments of the year.  Yesterday after arriving home in the
>cold but dry weather, things went to h*ll.  It started snowing at home
>around 5:30 pm EST.  South of here it had started a little earlier in
>the day.  We got 1 to 2 inches of snow last night and it was melting by
>mid morning.  The upper two thirds of Indiana got blanketed by the white
>stuff.  I guess this means the end of fall, in spite of what the
>calendar says.  I can hope things dry off and warm up so I can
>Oldsmobile a few more times before winter stays.
>
>Dave (I drive a rocket, not a snow plow) Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:27:29 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

> >Robert,
> >
> >Did you happen to see any '49-50 Oldsmobiles in the yard?  What part of
the
> country is it in?
>
>
> Bill Goodnight
> Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho
>

I asked about 49 -50 Olds sorry none
But I'll keep an eye out for ya

Bob

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:29:20 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

Sorry Gary I asked if he had any of your cars kicking around but to no luck

Sorry I couldn't help

Bob

- ----------
> From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 1:12 AM
>
> Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
> it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com
> ===========================================================
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for your offer on looking for Olds parts.
> Don't know what the response has been, so hope you
> aren't overwhelmed.
>
> However, you may be able to save my life as I am about
> 99 percent done with putting my '55 Olds back together
> and am in trouble in a couple of areas because of the
> idiot who re-did my chrome.
>
> Anyway, hope I can describe what I am looking for.
>
> When you are looking at the '55 Olds from the front end you
> first see the bumper.  Directly behind it there is a piece of
> chrome on the left and right side that attaches directly to the
> sheet metal and kind of wraps around from the side to the front.
> These two pieces actually line-up with the chrome piece that is
> on the hood where you put your hand to find the lever to open the
> hood.  When looking at the front treatment it brings it all together.
> Anyway, my piece had a rust problem and in the process of fixing it
> he bent it so badly that I could barely get it on.  Now the alignment
> is so far off it looks real bad. The angle is way off from the piece
> on the hood that it butts up against.  If they have one of these for
> the left side (as you look at the front of the car) I could certainly
> use it.
>
> The reflector lense on the tailight assembley was cracked, so if they
> have a tailight assembley with agood reflector (not the bullet lense,
> but
> the reflector below it within the tailight) then it would be worth
> it to by the whole tailight just to get the reflector.
>
> Hope these descriptions make sense.  If you want to call me toll free
> to discuss, I can be reached at 1-888-258-4436 x401.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Andresen
> gandresen@altigen.com (work)
> gandresen@ibm.net (home)
>
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> >
> > Today in I went yard hunting for Olds parts and came across a yard just
> > filled with OLD OLD car many of them oldsmobile from as early as the
> > twenties.
> >
> > What I did find was a few Detla's from 67-71 and even some Dynamic 88's
and
> > starfires
> > I don't know much about the old cars or the big cars but if there is
> > something some one is in need of please let me know.
> >
> > I'll be there quite a bit in the next few weeks ...... I'm buying all
the
> > 425's and 455 from the Delta
> >
> > The yard was full of old Coupes and wood wheel cars of all makes and
models
> >
> > Anyways E me direct if you want me to look for something. I 'm more
then
> > happy to help.
> >
> > Robert Schinkel
> > docbob@caninet.com
> >
> > Oh and there was only one 71 Cutlass and one 68 Cutlass if anyone want
me
> > to look for any of those pieces let me know
> >
> > Bob

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 15:48:02 -0500
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: ADVANCE AUTO PARTS AND BATTERIES FIRST ANNUAL SHOW AND SHINE

Hello all fellow Oldsmobile Lovers.

The Advance Auto Parts, Store 2106, at 113 S. George Washington
Highway, Chesapeake, VA, will be holding it's First Annual Show and
Shine Car Show on Saturday, November 22, 1997.

This will be a no judge show with a People's Choice selection.

The entry fee is $10.00 and the first 50 entries receive a dash plaque,
t-shirt and grab bag.

Contact Damian Krull or Kerry Wilkerson at (757) 558-1390 for more
information.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:06:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '50 Olds

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:jbishop@gorge.net (Jeremy Bishop)
Date:Fri, 14 Nov 1997 07:00:09 -0800
Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>

Hi,

I was down at a local sheet metal shop the other day looking for someone to
do some welding on my Saab Sonett (another story all together) and while
talking to the owner, who is a real Olds fan, he said that among the cars
he owned was a 1950 Oldsmobile 99 two door.
He said that when he ground into the paint that it looked like the
car had been painted three times. First he ground through two differnt
layers of green paint and under that was Gold paint that had been painted
over the stock yellow as he put it "a  long time ago".
He said he heard that Gold was the color movie stars's cars were painted
and that it was a fact that Marilyn Monroe had a '50 99 two door no one
knew where it was now and this car might be the one.

Does anyone out there in Oldsmobile land know anything about her car? He
mentioned that his freind told him that once he had seen something on TV
about a collecter who was looking for the car and that it was rumored to be
in the Northwest.Which is where I and possibly the car is.
If you have any leads about the car's VIN or engine ª's, or know who that
collecter is, e-mail me and I'll pass it along to the owner.

J.Bishop

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:08:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Antique Olds Pricing

Not on the list, so reply directly.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Peter Downes <Peter.Downes@ssa.gov>
Subject: Pricing

I would like to know where to go to find out what antique Oldsmobiles
are worth. Is there a web site? Pete

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:11:31 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '77 Omega Engine Problems

Not on the list, so reply directly.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:"Errol Dennis" <leomerlin@classic.msn.com>
Subject: 1977 Oldsmobile Omega - 305 V8 - 2bbl

H*LP!!!!
After coming to a stop, I stepped on the accelerator and my car cut off, I
heard a clanking-clanking soud.  My car would not start.  I tried starting it
about four times, I heard the same clank-clank-clank noise each time from the
front of the engine.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:31:06 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for beauty rings

In a message dated 97-11-14 09:47:17 EST, you write:

<< whats the gm paet ª for the rings??
 Bernie >>


Bernie -

The beauty rings are part ª419269.  The price I have quoted is from Templeton
Olds, a local dealer who offers a discount to OCA members.  The asking price
is around $60.

Tom Simmons

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:29:42 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmo-snow

     No snow yet in Southern Maryland! (Just rain) Good
thing.....we're putting the roof trusses on the garage this Sunday
(hopefully). With any luck I'll get it all closed in before it gets
REALLY cold. :o)
     Time is running out!

===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



- ---Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net> wrote:
>
> At 01:25 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
> Dave
>
>         Sounds like winter has already set in. Heh, Heh! :) Just
chilly down
> here in Virginia. No snow for us yet.
>
> Jim Chermack
>
> >I had been driving the 4-4-2 to work lately, trying to hang on to the
> >last good moments of the year.  Yesterday after arriving home in the
> >cold but dry weather, things went to h*ll.  It started snowing at
home
> >around 5:30 pm EST.  South of here it had started a little earlier in
> >the day.  We got 1 to 2 inches of snow last night and it was
melting by
> >mid morning.  The upper two thirds of Indiana got blanketed by the
white
> >stuff.  I guess this means the end of fall, in spite of what the
> >calendar says.  I can hope things dry off and warm up so I can
> >Oldsmobile a few more times before winter stays.
> >
> >Dave (I drive a rocket, not a snow plow) Wyatt
> >70  4-4-2
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:57:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Sport Wheel

I have a  Sport Steering wheel for sale if anyone is interested, it is
in very good condition, however part of the circle is bent from body
pressure in an accident. Should be easy to straighten but I dont know
the correct way to do  it.  $75 bucks shipping and "handling" included.
Please email me privately at Cnvrtbl442@AOL.Com      ..TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:01:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetin's and Salutations

In a message dated 97-11-14 07:15:43 EST, you write:

<< One of my favorite race episodes involved a guy in Havre
 Built up a 72 chevelle.  Way up.  Crate big block
 che*y, 490something.  Ya know the one, twelve thousand horsepower, beats
 F-16's, etc etc.  <snip>...  I finally got him at a light one night.  (bone
stock 425 in a
 car that weighed probably 800 pounds more than his...  Worn 3.23 posi,
 weak suspension, 200K+ TH350, etc... >>

???? are we suppose to bake this with the 307/789 and then serve it with
Kidnet Pie?????    TIM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:04:03 -0500 (EST)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

last spring i completed a body off frame 5 yr. restoration of a '57 holiday
sedan, (4 door hardtop).  i did all in my garage except chrome plating &
reupolstring the seats.  we enjoyed the car this summer, doing well at
several local shows.  also got to drive the '57 to lansing for the
cenntenial.
mr57olds.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:09:22 -0500 (EST)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: 66 olds tripower 4SALE

Im thinking about selling my tripower unit with carbs,aftermarket
aircleaners,gas lines. If your interested give me an EM, make an offer.Thanks
joe AGUY4RUMLI@AOL.COM

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 17:11:39 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: transmission problem

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Jason, if your car is a mid Eighties G Body and has a console with
> ashtray, Caspers Electronics makes a switch control plate with switches

Thanks Tim, that's a good idea.  The only problem in removing the ash tray
is I'd have to try to find somewhere to put all my toll money!  :-)
Tom Lentz, would this control plate work for your winter project?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 18:22:17 -0500 (EST)
From: DocOlds723@aol.com
Subject: Re: MSD Help!!!

  I've had this problem with a 6A and a 7AL. The problem that I had was that
the altenator was keeping the voltage on the MSD on/off wire high even when
the key was in the off position. It actually feeds back through the idoit
light wire. What I had to do was install a diode in the wire that goes to the
altenator (the small wire, not either of the large ones). I think the
directions were in the instructions for the MSD unit. I'd have to go look to
remember which way I insallted it. With the diode, it works as it should. You
shouldn't need anything else to make it work.


 Dave

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:04:14 -0500 (EST)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: A-body rear ends

In a message dated 97-11-14 08:04:01 EST, you write:

<< So the 73 differential I have is a 8.5" 10-bolt w/3.08 gears. Is it a 28
 spline or a 30 spline? >>

28, the 30 spline didn't come along till 1988.
DrkSole

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 16:20:59 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: transmission problem

I've seen this console on a GN before, and it doesn't look like it'll fit in a
Cutlass.  It uses some screws in the corners that aren't there in a Cutlass.

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Jason, if your car is a mid Eighties G Body and has a console with
> > ashtray, Caspers Electronics makes a switch control plate with switches
>
> Thanks Tim, that's a good idea.  The only problem in removing the ash tray
> is I'd have to try to find somewhere to put all my toll money!  :-)
> Tom Lentz, would this control plate work for your winter project?
> _____________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:34:34 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Police Chases

At 01:23 PM 11/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Anybody see the most recent episode of World's Scariest Police Chases on
>last night on Fox?  There were a few Oldses as a matter of fact.  In the
>first story, a mid eighties (1984 or later) baby-sh*t brown Cutlass was
>being chased by the local mounty.  I thought "hey, it's my car!"  The kid
>driving this stolen Olds was totally abusing this thing!  He drove right
>over curbs and took a couple of minor jumps.  It had to have had a V8 in it
>because this guy was moving pretty good.  When he eventually lost control
>and got caught, the narrator told us that this is what can happen when a
>young kid gets behind the wheel of a fast car.

Jason

The one of the kid in the Cutlass happened about 4 miles from were I work.
He was only 14 or 15 if I remeber correct for the local news.  He was the
youngest in the car at the time.  He realy abuse the Cutlass bad.  They
showed the footage on the local news the night that it happened. Then I saw
it again on the Scariest Police chases also.

The guys in the other Cutlass tried there hand at off roading in that on a
couple time before they were pushed off the road.


Clarence
86 Cutlass 4DR 307 O/d
San Antonio Tx.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:25:46 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Holley TBI

AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:
>Im using the holly pro fuel injection, just put it on. Dont know if car is
>faster yet havent been to the track. It is nice how you can adjust the flow
>just by turning a knob, dont have to change jets anymore. ill let you now how
>it goes im trying to get into the 12's ran a 13.30 last time.

How about telling us a little about your current setup ? 13.30 is a pretty
decent time...

TIA,
Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:50:10 -0600
From: Ryan Hehn <ryanh@mb.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: High Output HEI and MSD Boxes...

> John Stolarski wrote:
> >
> > in thier catalog...also, does anyone know if an 86 307 is a vacuum
> > distributor or not...I have no idea, if someone could explain all of
> > that I'd appreciate it...sorry its a stupid question...
>
> The only thing I could answer from your post was the vacuum question.  My
> 1984 HEI is not.  I'm sure they didn't go back to it after mine was made.
> Everything is electronic, including electronic spark advance.
> _____________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
>

Keep in mind that many Canadian cars still had vacuum distributors much
later than those in the US.  My '86 Cutlass has no computer control, and
therefore, a vacuum distributor.

Ryan Hehn

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:59:06 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmo-snow

John Pajak wrote:

> 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme

Joe, with that many cars it had better be a very LARGE garage.  It's
nice to see someone with more problems/opportunities than me from time
to time.  Good luck on getting it enclosed and under roof before the sky
starts falling.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 19:57:36 -0600 (CST)
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>
Subject: Re: Unbounce: Stolen Olds; Happy Ending

At 02:52 PM 11/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From:Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
>Subject: Stolen 86 Olds, Happy Ending
>Date:Wed, 12 Nov 97 10:13:00 PST
>
>Well, today the 3 day crisis came to an end.
>
>I (yes, I) found my 86 cutlass Salon in the hotel parking lot next door to
>my office.  Drove into work a slightly different way this morning, looked
>over and saw the rear end of a silver cutlass in the parking lot,  so I
>drove up next to it and bingo, my car.
>
>Police came out, basically they punched the door lock, and then broke into
>the column near the turn signal lever and behind the tilt lever.  Sheared
>off the pin that  locks the transmision and   steering wheel, and then used
>a screw driver to start the car by forcing down the mechanism inside the
>column (for lack of better definition).
>
>Dont know what the exact mileage was, so can't say if they just moved it the
>1/4 mile to the other lot, or actually drove it around for a while.  Neither
>one makes sense.  They could have stole what they did without moving car
>very quickly (and commiting grand theft auto), but if they took off little
>reason to bring back, unless maybe they had a car sitting there.
>
>Damage:  Punched drivers side door lock, dents and scratches, wrecked
>steering column, stolen radio (associated damage to dash), punched out lock
>on one of the t-tops, misc broken trim pieces inside, bucket seats looks a
>little crooked (?), New stone chips on nose and hood.  Car phone, radar
>detector, cds gone, sunglasses, garage door opener, kids car seats
>untouched.
>
>Insurance will cover everything but the radar detector and cds.
>
>Had car towed to Dublin Oldsmobile, figured best place to get things fixed
>right (crossing fingers), Tow truck driver got car started, seems to be
>missing, Hope not a problem.
>
>Overall I feel very lucky getting car back in condition it is in.  Police
>dusted for prints but didnt expect to find anything really.  Asked if I
>wanted the car (forget the word), basically they try and pull prints off
>everything, have to use superglue, said it would ruin the interior pretty
>bad.  We both decided that that extreme wasnt necessary.
>
>First thing I do when I get it back is alarm system.  Any advice concerning
>how to make sure it is fixed "right" will be appreciated.
>
>Jeff Dick
>jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
>86 Olds Cutlass Salon, T-tops (stolen once, never twice)
>
>
That's great news.  I had my '83 stolen and they did basically the same
thing except they broke in the trunk too.  Consider getting a steering
column metal collar.  It prevents anyone from breaking your steering column
and starting the car. I swear by them.  Good luck!

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:04:12 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

Mr57olds@aol.com wrote:
>
> last spring i completed a body off frame 5 yr. restoration of a '57 holiday
> sedan, (4 door hardtop).  i did all in my garage except chrome plating &
> reupolstring the seats.  we enjoyed the car this summer, doing well at
> several local shows.  also got to drive the '57 to lansing for the
> cenntenial.
> mr57olds.

Five years is a long time to put up with anything, even something you
love.  (What am I saying, I've got some three cars I've had for over ten
years and haven't done a thing to them.)  Congradulations on getting
done finally.  Now, do you make house calls to the Lexington, Ky area
and how are you with 69-72 Cutlass restorations? :)

Don Sowers
"If I don't get started soon, I may not be around for the finish."

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:06:31 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: transmission problem

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Jason, if your car is a mid Eighties G Body and has a console with
> > ashtray, Caspers Electronics makes a switch control plate with switches
>
> Thanks Tim, that's a good idea.  The only problem in removing the ash tray
> is I'd have to try to find somewhere to put all my toll money!  :-)
> Tom Lentz, would this control plate work for your winter project?
> _____________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

Cheap solution would be a baggie with a sealable top.  Next cheapest
would be a small cheap change bag with a zipper, etc.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:02:43 -0600
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

At 12:21 AM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-11-11 09:29:28 EST, you write:
>
><< My brother went to his local Buick GS chapter meeting
> last weekend and forwarded the following on to me.  I'm not
> sure I agree with all the points, but it makes for interesting
> reading none the less.
>

>
>Does everyone agree with all of this? I just wanted to know if
>anyone found any discrepencies with any of this......TIM
>
I do.One time I foolishly tried to run my 455ci without a thermostat.Boy,was
that a mistake!The water pump and the radiator psi,after water temp was up to
normal temp,was able to lift my cap.I guess you know what happened next!No,the
cap didn't fall off,the water went down the overflow tube.
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 Cutlass
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:20:35 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: Head I.D.

 does anyone know what "D3A" heads are?

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:26:35 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

In a message dated 97-11-13 15:52:50 EST, you write:

<<
 > 2. What is the deal with the chrome mirrors vs "sport" mirrors?  Were
 > they a "year" thing, or a "package" thing?

 The color-coded sport mirrors came standard on my 84 Supreme Calais.  I
 don't know if they were optional on the regular Supremes or not.  Does
 yours have them?

  >>
My '81 Cutlass has the <shudder> chrome ones on it.  I know where I can get a
set of the sport mirrors, and will most likely do that soon.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:30:46 -0500
From: cm_hawk@juno.com (Clay V Merenuk)
Subject: Photofact for Wonderbar Radio

Bobby,

Thanks for the Photofact.  That is just what I was looking for.


Thanks,
Clay
69 442 convertible

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:26:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

>> >>  >- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
>> >
>> >I tend to agree, but I also think that the faster you can "shove air
>> >down it's throat" the better it cools...  Have you ever overheated doing
>> >65MPH, even if the car constantly runs warm at a stand still?

Boy, seems like there's six or seven topics on this list that occupy 90% of
the discussion! (we had a pretty big discussion about thermostats that went
on and on and on and....).

I think we came to agree that the faster the coolant moves through the
block, but the slower it moves through the radiator, and the faster the air
passes through the radiator, the cooler the engine will be.

>My point was that you are less likely to overheat when air is being
>forced into the radiator at 65 MPH, as opposed to sitting still, and
>letting the fan do the work...  I have never experienced an overheat
>problem while constantly moving on the interstate...  I have a friend

I have: cruising at 75mph with the A/C on in my Toro on a 90' day caused the
hot light to begin glowing. Despite the extra airflow, the extra engine
speed and the load from the A/C caused more heat than the radiator could
dissipate.

OTOH, my Electra will climb to about 215-220' in traffic on a hot day with
the A/C on, but cools to 190'-200' at highway speed. The difference is that
the Toro has an old, gummed-up radiator, while the Electra's 403 is fresh
and the cooling system is completely new. The solution to my running hot in
traffic will likely be alternative venting for the engine compartment; once
the fan draws air past the radiator, the air has nowhere to go! Maybe I'll
make the portholes on the sides functional...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 21:26:24 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 307 on nitrous...

>John Stolarski wrote:
>> guy near me who has about an 83 or 84 C/S that is completely stock, and
>> he's running Nitrous in it...Isn't that bad, or can a stock 307 take
>> that much abuse w/o a better cam, crank, pistons, rods and bolts?
>
>First of all, he's not getting the full benefit from the nitrous.  The
>307 has a very restrictive breathing system, which can be modified to a
 [snip]
>Once again, the engine can't breathe very well with the restricitve
>intake, especially with a stock cam!  If he had done the ports, valves,

Part of the beauty of nitrous is that the O2 is only released under the
pressure of the cylinder itself, so flow is less of a consideration.
Theoretically, you could run a nitrous system with no intake whatsoever,
since the air and fuel only mix in the cylinder. There was a drag racer back
in the early days who ran the car of straight compressed air pumped into a
closed intake manifold; greater than atmospheric pressure (supercharging of
sorts), and no air cleaner!

>and cam he'd likely have gotten the same power boost that he's getting
>now from the nitrous.  The motor would last a lot longer, too...

The nitrous will also condense the intake charge, allowing more air/fuel to
flow through the same ports. In fact, I always thought an excellent sleeper
would be a 2-bbl 455 with the nitrous and gas lines plumbed under the
intake; convince people that it's actually a stock 260, when in fact it has
550hp on the bottle... (:O)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 22:17:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: MSD Help!!!

does your car have an internal regulated alternator?  with an internally
regulated alternator one of the wires(i think it's brown) goes to the
ignitions switch.  it goes on the accessory side of the switch.  if you put
it on the ignition side of the switch the alternator puts out enough power to
run the engine.  i don't have vary nuch experience with ignition boxes so i
can't tell you how to wire them.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:02:05 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Sky Rocket

In the wrecking yard this week I found an Oldsmobile that had no emblems on
it.  I couldn't identify it but the engine had the breather still attached
and it had the Pie Pan.  Written on it was Oldsmobile Sky Rocket.
Anyone ever hear of one of these. And what the heck was it.
Oh and I got the breather lid cleaned up great no flaws, nice wall unit now

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1970 442 Conv.
1970 W - 31
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass Conv. (13.4)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:02:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: MSD Help!!!

According to my MSD wiring diagram, the wires are connected as follows for a
point ignition:
    Heavy red - battery positive
    Heavy black - battery negative
    Orange - coil positive
    Black - coil negative
    Red - ignition switch
    White - distributor

In a message dated 97-11-13 08:12:36 EST, you write:

<<   I have installed a MSD 6A box on the car and am having an annoying
 problem - the dang thing won't shut off!  It starts beautifully...idles
 and runs nicely...drives the tach properly...everything except that when
 you turn off the switch it has absolutely no effect on the engine!  To
 stop the engine you have to a) unplug the power wire to the MSD (which
 is indeed switched - I checked) or route this same wire to its original
 position on the coil, in which case it works perfectly, but totally
 fried the wire.  To clear things up, this wire is the one that comes
 from under the dash to the coil - ignition power. >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:07:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley TBI

I have heard that the sensors for these units are less than desirable.  There
are many for sale at swap meets.

In a message dated 97-11-13 11:08:52 EST, you write:

<< So, anybody using Holley Fuel injection yet? Which currently available
 intake manifold would be best with it and clear an HEI?

 Thoughts?
 cf >>

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:07:19 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmo-snow

Don Sowers wrote:

> John Pajak wrote:
>
> > 65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
> > 66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
> > 69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
> > 70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme
>
> Joe, with that many cars it had better be a very LARGE garage.  It's
> nice to see someone with more problems/opportunities than me from time
> to time.  Good luck on getting it enclosed and under roof before the sky
> starts falling.

You could always park them at my place until then...:o)

S.D.W.

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 23:10:24 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmo-snow

John Pajak wrote:

>>>No snow yet in Southern Maryland!

Southern Ontario's getting 15-20cm as we speak....finally got around to
putting snow tires on the Delta!  Those All-Seasons just don't cut it!

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:40:05 -0800 (PST)
From: blue moon <oldsmobile_service_department@yahoo.com>
Subject: Speedo correction

Hello all,

New to the list here... My name's Jason Belt and I'm from Tennessee.
I would like to know if anyone knows how I might correct my
speedometer... what tranny speedo. drive gear do I need?  I've got an
'83 Cutlass Supreme (the year that _didn't_ have the extra mounts to
move the cross-member back for an overdrive) with the stock instrument
cluster.  I've got a 2004R and a 3.73:1 rear end.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Thanks,
"With a torch and a hammer, anything's possible!!"
Jason Belt,
oldsmobile_service_department@yahoo.com
nod_a_rockin@yahoo.com
moon_00_eyes@rocketmail.com
J2Rocket@hotmail.com
'83 Cutlass Supreme (you don't want to know what's in front of that
200... it's not Chivvy)
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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:51:27 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '50 Olds

The mayor of the city where I used to live collected 'famous' people's cars
as a semi-hobby - it was written up in the paper when he bought a late 50's
Chrysler of Marilyn's.  Now I can't recall his name but it was Corona CA
and he was mayor in 1992.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 20:56:26 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 57 OLDS J/2

>"If I don't get started soon, I may not be around for the finish."
>
Oh man, since I recently celebrated a birthday, does this ring true for me!!!!

Only I can't decide what to work on first...


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:12:56 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics (long)

Easton,Jeffrey wrote:

>>>- A new radiator loses 10% cooling capacity after only one
>>>  year due to deposit buildup.
So then you flush the rad, removing all of the deposits, *plus* any
corroded material!  Wow!  What a BRILLIANT idea!

>>>- The faster the coolant moves through the radiator the better.
Don't count on it!  If you get the coolant moving through there too
quickly, the liquid won't have enough time to dissipate all of the heat,
so the engine will continue to run hotter and hotter, 'til the needle
welds itself at about 260F!

>>>- All things being equal, copper/brass radiators cool better
>>>  than aluminum.
Hmm..let's see...INDY CARS, STOCK CARS, SPORTS CARS...enough said?  All
of these cars use aluminum radiators!  If they're twice the price and
half as good, why in hell is an NASACR team putting an aluminum rad in
front of a $20,000 motor?  These engines can rev to over 9,000rpm, and
likely produce enough heat to spot weld angle iron!  If copper/brass
rads work so much better, do you not think that they'd be using them?

>>>- Prestone has the best corrosion inhibitors, Zerex is next.
Who signs his paycheck?

>>>- Water cools better than antifreeze.
Common to popular belief, yes, you're right...water can dissipate heat a
lot faster than antifreeze can!  If you were to take two equal vehicles,
and fill one with a 80/20 (AF/water) mixture, and the other with a 40/60
(AF/water) mix.  The one with more water will run cooler!  Antifreeze
has a much higher specific heat capacity than water, so it *can* hold
more heat, but won't give it off nearly as fast as water will.  Since
the water is less viscous and has a lower heat capacity, it will
transfer heat to the rad much faster, therefore a cooler running engine.

For those who are into any type of drag racing, this should make decent
sense.  (I'm really into snowmobile racing).  A drag sled has no cooling
system...just a water jacket.  After a run down the track, they pull the
sled in, and hook it up to a coolant flusher, which is a machine with a
radiator that pumps through cold coolant.  Since they want the machine
to cool down quickly, most use a 25/75 (AF/water) mix, because the water
will draw out the heat faster.  The reason for the 25% antifreeze is to
slightly raise the boilng point, and slightly lower the freezing
point...(after all, the coolant flushers are sitting outside the
truck).  I'm running a 60/40 (AF/water) mix in all of my vehicles,
because I'm frequently up North snowmobiling, and sometimes the
overnight temp. gets well past -35C.

But the more water you add, the shorter the service life of the rad, and
the bearings in the water pump.

>>>- All electric fans are junk. The Hayden 16" straight blade is
>>>  the closest to useful though.
Does this guy work on comission?

>>>- Removing the thermostat *will* make your car run cooler.
No doubt...but it'll never reach proper operating temperature.  Unless I
were to have a serious cooling problem, I'd keep mine where it is...I
hate freezing my *ss off on the cold mornings!

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:30:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Boaz32@aol.com
Subject: Carb question

I have a Rochester Quadrajet carb. with the numbers ª7037216 on it.  Can you
tell me anything about this carb?  I was told that it may be a 4MV from a
1967 396ci/325hp Chevy with Auto Trans.  This is a Guess...I was also told
that it was a "2nd type" A.I.R. ???  What does this mean???

Mark

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:14:41 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Used Cars

> The Movie.  Just caught the end of it on Cinemax.  Ain't seen that in a
> few years.  Definately a classic, when it comes to movies.  Noticed one

        Charlie...are you referring to a movie called "Used Cars"?  Just
curious - I always like a good classic car movie.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:07:20 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: '73-'77 rear suspensions

> If it's something you just happened to ~notice~ on a car, it's
> something different.  The coil spring traction bars are actually upper
> control arm positioners.  You don't see 'em unless you crawl under the
> car and actually look way up there.  I'm giggling uncontrollably at
> They DO make slapper-style bars for the GM coil
> spring A-bodies.......look in the Summit or Jeg's catalog! I've heard
> they work great but would prefer the stealth of the upper control arm
> relocation type of traction device.

        John, I have looked through a couple recent Summit catalogues with
no luck.  Is there any other place that you know of that deals with the
'73-'77 GM A-body rear suspension components?  Most of the "suspension"
places don't have components for the '73-'77s.  An example:  PST
(Performance Suspension Technologies - http://www.p-s-t.com) carries scads
and scads of stuff for all kinds of cars from The Big Three and even has
new sets of track arms for the A-body cars, but only pre-'73 and then the
G-bodies:  post-'77.  I have been really discouraged in not being able to
find new suspension components like this for this style of car as my
family currently owns 3 of these style cars ('76 Buick Century Special
Edition Pace Car - Dad's, my '76 Monte Carlo, and of course my '76 Cutlass
Supreme Brougham).  My dad used to have a '76 Buick Century 2-door Custom
until the frame broke on it (right in front of the left lower control arm
(rear) mounting location.        One thing I have come to know is that the
rear suspensions on the '68-'72 and the '78-'87 (or '88) RWD A/G-body GMs
are the same and therefore the axles and arms/springs are
interchangeable.  The '73-'77 is in a league all it's own.  I recently
picked up a 10-bolt 3.90 cone-clutch posi axle from a guy for $175.  It
was from a '69 or '70 A-body.  I was thinking of selling it when I found
that it wouldn't fit my Cutlass, but then decided to keep it when I found
out that I could use it in an early '80s Cutlass when I get one (I'm
planning to do so sometime soon hopefully).
        If anybody knows of a place that has extensive rear suspension
components for the '73-'77 GM A-bodies, please let me know.  Also does
anybody know if a sway bar larger than 1" in diameter was/is available for
this car (aftermarket or stock).  Any help/info is very much appreciated.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:15:49 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: Carb question

> I have a Rochester Quadrajet carb. with the numbers ª7037216 on it.  Can you
> tell me anything about this carb?  I was told that it may be a 4MV from a
> 1967 396ci/325hp Chevy with Auto Trans.  This is a Guess...I was also told
> that it was a "2nd type" A.I.R. ???  What does this mean???

        Mark, I checked the ª you supplied with a chart of the breakdown of the
carb ªs supplied through this list not too long ago.  The carb ª turns out the
following results:
                    Application:  1966-1967 A.I.R. equipped vehicle*, Chevrolet
Divison
                    Transmission:  Automatic
                    Emissions:  49-state

* you'll have to ask someone else about what an A.I.R. equipped vehicle is, I
don't have a clue myself...wouldn't mind knowing though.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:33:48 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Sky Rocket

At 11:02 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
Bob

        What you have there is an aircleaner from a mid sixties 425. They
were in the Sky Rockets were in big cars.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

>In the wrecking yard this week I found an Oldsmobile that had no emblems on
>it.  I couldn't identify it but the engine had the breather still attached
>and it had the Pie Pan.  Written on it was Oldsmobile Sky Rocket.
>Anyone ever hear of one of these. And what the heck was it.
>Oh and I got the breather lid cleaned up great no flaws, nice wall unit now
>
>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
>
>1970 442 Conv.
>1970 W - 31
>1970 Rallye 350
>1970 Cutlass Conv. (13.4)
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 02:37:12 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Carb question

At 02:15 AM 11/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
Hey Guys,

                A.I.R. stands for Air Injection Reactor. It is a smog system
that's still in use today on your new cars. What it does is inject air into
the head or exhaust manifold to help burn unburnt gases and improve
emissions. They started in 1966 in Calif. and were pretty standard by 74-75
on all makes except Olds. Calif. being an exception for them. They didn't
need it to pass federal emissions.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts




>> I have a Rochester Quadrajet carb. with the numbers ª7037216 on it.  Can you
>> tell me anything about this carb?  I was told that it may be a 4MV from a
>> 1967 396ci/325hp Chevy with Auto Trans.  This is a Guess...I was also told
>> that it was a "2nd type" A.I.R. ???  What does this mean???
>
>        Mark, I checked the ª you supplied with a chart of the breakdown of 
the
>carb ªs supplied through this list not too long ago.  The carb ª turns out the
>following results:
>                    Application:  1966-1967 A.I.R. equipped vehicle*, 
Chevrolet
>Divison
>                    Transmission:  Automatic
>                    Emissions:  49-state
>
>* you'll have to ask someone else about what an A.I.R. equipped vehicle is, I
>don't have a clue myself...wouldn't mind knowing though.
>--
>Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
>Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
>mailto:lee@mergetel.com
>
>

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 01:00:46 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Front Headlight supports

If it is like a '69, they are held in from the behind with 4 or 6 screws.
You have to remove the headlight housings (also screwed in from behind)
first.

Some thing to watch if you plan to disassemble the buckets from the
backing.  The actual supports (the base piece) can be mounted on either
side and there is stamping in the metal to indicate which side is up
depending on which side of the car you mount it.  The four headlight
buckets however are all different.  I discovered after a lot of screwing
around that they are stamped ABC&D on the upper outside flange.  A&B go on
the drivers side, C&D on the passengers side.  I would suggest you write
down which of the buckets in each pair is high beam and which is low beam
because it is not what you expect particularly on the passenger side.

>Hi all,
>
>On 68 442's front head light supports, the part that holds the lamp
>bucket in place on the radiator core support, can these be swapped
>out with new ones.  I haven't tried yet to pull them off.  I hope
>they are not affixed to the core support permanently.
>
>Chris Sparks


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 00:47:17 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible top switch connections

>At 08:42 PM 11/13/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>This wire goes though the grommet in the dash and connects to the circuit
>>breaker on the fire wall below the master cylinder.
>>
>>This is fed by a wire from the horn relay.
>>
>
>Ok.. guess I gotta find me one of these.  Does anyone have a good
>description of one?  It may be in one of my boxes of parts, half of which I
>can't identify.  If I don't have one, does anyone on the list happen to
>have a spare?  If not, anyone know a good place to find these?  Thanks as
>usual.
>
>Tim Rudolph
>trudolph@frii.com
>'69 442 Convertible

It is a liitle box about 1/2 x 1/2 x 2" long with two studs on the top for
the wires and a couple of flanges to screw it to the firewall on the
bottom.  There is a rubber boot that goes over it but apparently it often
is missing (mine luckily has it).

According to the wiring manual it is the same one used for cars with either
Power Windows or Power Seats so you may be able to find one at the wrecker.

I could have sworn that I saw both the relay and cover in one of my
catalogs but for the life of me I can't find them now.


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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