
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, November 23 1997      Volume 01 : Number 968



Re: Header recommendations
Re: Front end (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)
Re: 70 SX Cutlass
Re: 70 SX Cutlass
Re: 70 SX Cutlass
Winter Project Dreams
More 70 442 parts needed
OAI set-up for 70 442
JWO...
'75 Delta 88 (was vin decode please)
Re: HP Rating on 73 Olds 88?
Re: Bashing
Re: HP Rating on 73 Olds 88?
Re: 70 SX Cutlass
Re: Header recommendations
Re: 69 Olds Hood
Re: Bashing- Let's stop it!
Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)
Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)
Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)
partsvoice
Re: 350 in '87 Cutlass
Re: OAI set-up for 70 442
Re:Oldsmobiles Available
carbs
Re: Oldsmobiles Available
Re: JWO...
Re: Oldsmobiles Available
Build Sheet - Where?
A find
Re: fan clutch
RE: Build Sheet - Where
Re: '69, '70 Junkyard Toros...
Re: Flat top pistons
Re: Build Sheet - Where?
need h*lp with Manual Trans swap
Re: lexus bashing
Re: Flat top pistons
'72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s
Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass
Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass
parting 69 4-4-2
Re:Oldsmobiles Available
Re: 3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed
Re: Hurst 442 info
Re: 3-on-the-tree
hello
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed/  found!
New Guy on the list 
Re: New Guy on the list
Re: PARTS: New Items
Re: Non-Olds.
Re: picking a lock
Door Locks
Re: Oh, C'mon....
Minor Things
Re: Hurst 442 info
Re: Minor Things
mod 57 @ centennial
Weird engine in '72?

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 00:07:14 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Header recommendations

At 08:37 PM 11/22/97 -0500, you wrote:
<snip>
>Engine compartments are the same.  A 442 drop top can use the same
>headers.  No problemo.  UNLESS it is a manual trans. on the tree, then
>it could get tricky.  I put some on a 4 speed 69 W-30 before, and I had
>no problems.
>
>Mike Rothe 

Well, I think if there was an issue it would be from a boxed frame
standpoint.  Any thoughts?

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 03:12:58 -0400
From: dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com (Valiant's Mud Lab)
Subject: Re: Front end (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:44:48 -0500 (EST)
Crown14@aol.com wrote:
>Subject: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
>
>To make my own rocket roadworthy again, it needs all new tires, ball
joints and new tie rod >ends too. (The steering's real loose.) I really
would like to get this fixed soon at the >least cost to me.  I understand
that the car has to be aligned as the final step to all this >work, but can
I do the other stuff myself?  What all is involved in replacing upper and
lower >ball joints and tie rod ends?  What special tools do I need?  I know
a lot more than average >for my age, but not as much as I would like to.  I
was thinking about maybe doing the tie rod >ends and ball joints then
letting the shop do the tires and stuff.  Plus, the recent cold >damp
weather makes me think that I will not get the time to do the ball joints
myself >outside. (I have no garage.)  If I do them myself I am on a VERY
limited budget.
>

When  I bought my front end kit from PST I also ordered the "how to" video
they sell for around $4.
Of course everything was perfect on the video, not one frozen nut, not one
problem removing parts from a 20 year old rusty car. But apart from that
it's a very helpful video if you've never rebuilt a front end.
The guy explains what "econo-tools" to use instead of very expensive
specialized tools and what to and not to do.

Basically, you will need:  -a service manual (for torque specifications and
procedures)
		             -a spring compressor (so you can remove your control arms)
		             -a tie rod end puller ( I found the "screwable" finger type
more 				successful than the 	fork type)	
		            -a power drill ( to drill the rivets on the ball joints, if
never 				replaced before)
		            -a set of pipe bushings (to drive in new ball joints)
		            -a set of wrenches
		            -a hammer
		            -grease
		            -a grease gun
		            -time (so nice weather is a must if you work outside)
While control arms are removed why not repainting them. I couldn’t find
chassis black paint so I use semi gloss standard black paint. it dried very
quickly. (the only thing is I didn’t wait 2 hours after I applied the anti
rust liquid)	
If you have 2 days you can do one side each day.
You will probably find a place to rent a spring compressor and tie rod
puller. It doesn’t cost much.
It took me 3 days (nobody laughs, please...) but I did both rear and front
suspensions, with springs, shocks, and everything else. Also I got stuck in
the process when trying to drive in bushings on the upper front control
arms and had to take it to my local dealership garage so they can do it for
me (they did it for free...)
Taking both inner and outer tie rod ends in one piece (without
disconnecting the adjusting sleeve) makes it easier to roughly reset the
length of the new set (when screwing your new tie rod ends onto the sleeve,
compare the length with the old set. You can also use a measuring tape...)
Be careful not to mix alignment shims when you take out the upper control arm.
Do not forget to grease ball joints and tie rod ends before taking your car
to the alignment shop.

Stay away from TIRE KINGDOM and MIDAS ! for alignment (though it’s only my
personal opinion).
Everything I describe here is based on my experience with my 73 delta 88.
It might be a little different on a Cutlass. Anybody on the list willing to
comment on that is more than very welcome. After all I am only an amateur
mechanic.

I hope everything I tried to explain is clear. Please excuse my lack of
vocabulary (mon français est bien meilleur, je vous assure!!).

Good luck.

I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE ALIGNMENT: I TOOK THE SERVICE MANUAL
SPECIFICATIONS ( CASTER, CAMBER,...) TO THE ALIGNMENT SHOP AND ASKED THEM
TO USE THESE NUMBERS TO ADJUST MY FRONT END. WAS I RIGHT OR, AS THEY TOLD
ME, WRONG BECAUSE THE CAR IS 25 YEARS OLD????

Alain                         

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Date: Sat, 22 Nov 1997 23:34:18 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 70 SX Cutlass

Hi all,

I may be in the process of purchasing a 70 SX Cutlass.  What is the
value of this car roughly?  It has a straight body, however, could
stand a paint job.  The bumpers could stand rechroming.  The interior
is fair to good.  What would be a good buying price for the car?  I
don't believe it has any rust.  I'll probably give it the scrutinizing
eye when I meet with the guy selling it.  Let me know...

Chris Sparks


PS.  Doesn't Dr. Bob have one of these kinds of cars?

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 02:56:04 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 70 SX Cutlass

mrada wrote:

> PS.  Doesn't Dr. Bob have one of these kinds of cars?


Yes sir, he sure does.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:36:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 70 SX Cutlass

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, mrada wrote:
> I may be in the process of purchasing a 70 SX Cutlass.  What is the
> value of this car roughly?  It has a straight body, however, could
> stand a paint job.  The bumpers could stand rechroming.  The interior
> is fair to good.  What would be a good buying price for the car?  I
> don't believe it has any rust.  I'll probably give it the scrutinizing
> eye when I meet with the guy selling it.  Let me know...

A '70 SX huh? Supreme body, hi-comp 455 (maybe, unless it's early 
production and has the 2-bbl turnpike cruiser motor), possibly buckets, 
console, etc... California car too... geez Chris, it isn't worth 
anything! Tell you what, pick it up for a few hundred bucks and I'll take 
it off your hands. ;-)

Seriously, I'd love to have one of these (ask Dr. Bob and Everett H., I
almost bought one last spring from down in their backyard before the house
stuff kicked in). Tell me all about it once you get to look at it. I'd be
interested in hearing about it regardless of whether you buy it or not. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:06:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Winter Project Dreams

For the last week winter has kicked in here, way too soon. We went from 
reasonably nice dry weather to lots of snow, cold and misery, literally 
overnight, and it shows no sign of going back. :(  I haven't even 
officially laid up the Cutlass for winter yet, and I'm hoping we'll get a 
break in the weather that'll let me take it out on salt-free roads to 
fill the tank, pump extra air in the tires and get it ready for 
hibernation. 

Anyhow, time for planning next year's projects. One of the things I've
thought about for awhile is to replace the 2-speed Jetaway with a TH350. 
One is around here locally that I could pick up fairly cheap and that
low-ratio first gear would be a neat thing to have. As usual I have some
questions though: 

Physically are the 2 trannies the same length? Or would I need a 
replacement or shortened driveshaft?

The Jetaway uses a TH400-style kickdown switch while the TH350 uses a 
cable. Anyone know what's involved in retrofitting one of these?

What about linkages? Mine's a column shift car. I know I would need a new 
speedo if I wanted the indicator to make sense.

Are there mitaswells I should do if the tranny is out? 

Anything else I should know? Speedo cables, etc.?

Winter is good for dreaming, if nothing else... :)


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 08:59:30 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: More 70 442 parts needed

Hi Everyone,
           I am still in need of some parts to finish the 70 442 restoration.
I need a good used A/C hose that goes from the expantion valve to the
condenser ( Ican probably make one but would like a good used original).
Still looking for a N.O.S. accelerater cable #408863 or a good used one. Also
a question on exhaust Parts America can get the pipes made by Walker and
believe they are alluminized has anyone bought these pipes?. Thanks a lot
    Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:29:27 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: OAI set-up for 70 442

What is a reasonable price for a complete original OAI system? 



______________________________________________________________________
Jim / DROLDS350@aol.com
1970 Cutlass W31
1970 Rallye 350
Check out my web page at:
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/w31pictures.html

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 10:07:06 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: JWO...

I am looking to complete my collection of JWO magazines. Here is what I 
need (or want so  says the wife)... :-)

All issues up to and including June 1989.
October   1990
January   1992
April     1994
October   1995

General question, what was the date for the JWO #1? This tidbit may be 
FAQ material?


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:04:54 -0500
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: '75 Delta 88 (was vin decode please)

I wrote:
> Here's the Vin 3N39KF140718.

Matt Cremean wrote:
>According to your VIN, it's a 1975 Delta 88 Royale Hardtop Sedan with
        ***I knew that part already

>the L34 350 4bbl
        ***That's what I thought.  It seems like a small engine for such a
huge piece of machinery.  

"Daniel A. Gulino" wrote:

>It's not significant, but there's actually a number missing from this VIN.
>There should be a "5" between the K and the F, and it indicates the model
        *** Whoops, that's my fault. I must have missed that when typing.

>year.  Also, the F is not correct.  That letter indicates the assembly
>plant, and the only possibilities are M, E, or X.  It's probably an E?
>Would indicate Linden, New Jersey.
        ***Well, you're right.  I had to read the vun off the tag in the
door jam because the plate under the window had alot of condensation in it,
making it unreadable.  The tag in the door wasn't that great either.  I did
however find out what I needed.

Thanks guys!!!

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:20:30 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: HP Rating on 73 Olds 88?

Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me the HP rating on a 73 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350
> 4bbl? I got a chance to swap/buy one, and am curious if its worth it,
> its an old lady who had the trans go out on it a few years ago and it
> has just been sitting, there the original owners, she said it used to
> run fine, but when the trans went, they just didn't get around to
> haveing it fixed and bought a new car, been sitting ever since.

Well, it depends. It could have 180hp if it was sent from the factory
with the single exhaust setup, or it could have 200 if it has the dual
exhaust setup.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft© Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:22:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: Bashing

On Sat, 22 Nov 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

> > Hey Lis...  The Q4 guys can brag, yeah...  But who's the one people look
> > at when sitting at a light??  A Maroon 69 442, or a Maroon 89 442...
> > <G>  Just blow it off...  Last 4 cyl I had died, they really aren't made
> > for racing anyways...
> 
> Hmmm.  Watching the news the other night, some football team kids
> discussing their upcoming game...  Commented about the team running on
> all four cylinders.  Had to chuckle.  Reminded me of this thread.  High
> school team.  I'd like to see what happened if the high school team on
> four cyl's went up against a college team running on all eight!  Or even
> seven, for that matter...  ;)
> 
> Charley Buehner
> mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
> 
Hey charlie if they were running on a q442 they would definetely win.  At 
my college 3 cylinders could beat our team.  What ya gonna do when the 
pocket rocket passes you?  See you at the finish line with your heavy low 
reving v8.  fyi-- You must not know that a quad 4 holds the record for 
the fastest closed course speed, set by the 1100 horsepower aerotech!!  
How about your v8!!

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition

ps--all the quad 4 guys can vouch for this, lets show em how its done boys!

"pocket rockets rule!!"

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 09:20:54 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: HP Rating on 73 Olds 88?

> Can anyone tell me the HP rating on a 73 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 
> 4bbl? I got a chance to swap/buy one, and am curious if its worth it, 
> its an old lady who had the trans go out on it a few years ago and it 
> has just been sitting, there the original owners, she said it used to 
> run fine, but when the trans went, they just didn't get around to 
> haveing it fixed and bought a new car, been sitting ever since.
> 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Fax (815) 235-6130
Home Page http://www.highland.cc.il.us
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 07:18:09 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 70 SX Cutlass

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> A '70 SX huh? Supreme body, hi-comp 455 (maybe, unless it's early
> production and has the 2-bbl turnpike cruiser motor), possibly buckets,

Would a 2-bbl be a negative for this car?  The car has dual exhuast so
does
that imply a 4-bbl hi-comp engine?

> console, etc... California car too... geez Chris, it isn't worth
> anything! Tell you what, pick it up for a few hundred bucks and I'll take
> it off your hands. ;-)

Sure, Like OK! ;-)

> Seriously, I'd love to have one of these (ask Dr. Bob and Everett H., I
> almost bought one last spring from down in their backyard before the house
> stuff kicked in). Tell me all about it once you get to look at it. I'd be
> interested in hearing about it regardless of whether you buy it or not.

Well how much was that one going for and what condition was it in.  The
only
problem I have with buying this car is that the owner's father told him
not
to sell it for under $5,000.  Well this car is no where near the
condition
that would support that amount.  I tried reasoning with the man and he
did
seem open to another price.  He basically would rather have a bug (yeah
VW)
than this car.  Hey who am I to convince him otherwise! :-)

Let me know...

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 10:32:55 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Header recommendations

> Well, I think if there was an issue it would be from a boxed frame
> standpoint.  Any thoughts?
> 
No thoughts.  If you have a boxed frame, the box is well away from the
headers.  If you have a problem due to that, then you are obviously
doing something wrong.  All the frames are "boxed" so to speak up where
you need your header to frame clearance.  Obviously if you are using
drag race headers, the tube diameter would be larger, therefore there
may be clearance problems.  But, if you are using the street headers,
with around 1 7/8" tubes, you should do OK.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:09:12 -0500 (EST)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Hood

sounds like a 69 cutlass s ,  or 442 hood,  they both used the hood with the
chrome luvers.        steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:07:32 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bashing- Let's stop it!

> ps--all the quad 4 guys can vouch for this, lets show em how its done boys!
> 
> "pocket rockets rule!!"

Hmmm, this reads very juvenile. I guess it's a good thing to have a
little brotherly (or sisterly) rivalry, but not to the extent I've been
reading lately.  While it no doubt is good that there are people that
love the quad 4, and there's nothing wrong with that, there are some of
us "old dinosaurs" that do not doubt the power production or reliability
of our beloved V8s.  I guess it boils down to personal taste.  I wonder
how many people rushed to the showrooms to want to buy a new AMC Pacer?
Somebody did.  But, I've yet to see a 160,000 mile quad 4 still running
with only a timing belt change.  That's the mileage of my dad's old 70
Cutlass S with a 350 when he sold it.  I don't know how many more miles
it accrued after that.  And I'll bet that many quad 4 owners didn't know
that the quad 4 head design was developed using the OW-43 V8 head
design. I reference a W-machines article, back in late '86 or '87, I
can't remember, but in there, they showed a cutaway of the then NEW quad
4 head vs. the old OW-43 head.  REAL similar.  Makes you wonder what
kinda muscle the W-30s of old would've had if the EPA didn't kill it? 
Or if they actually made the quad 8 for production that was rumored. 
Since then, the quad 4 too, has suffered in the hands of performance
killing red tape.  So if you like it, cool, if not, that's cool too, but
you can't MAKE anyone sway to like a certain engine by spouting off
speed records and power figures.  As humans, we are all resistant to
change.   I have driven the Achieva SCX, and although impressive, just
wasn't for me.  It never quite gave me that feeling of monster torque. I
guess that's what happens when you get used to something.  Give me the
old fishtailing W-30s anyday.  I guess it comes down to the fact that
the V8 owners/lovers are secure enough in their power capabilities they
don't have to brag.  This whole thing reminds me of what I used to tell
my co-workers that used to brag how valuable they were to the company:
If you have to brag on yourself, then you haven't done a good enough
job; when others brag about you, then you know you've made it.

Sorry 'bout the soap box y'all,

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 11:35:27 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, November 22, 1997 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)


>
>2151 (Performer) and 2730 (Torker) are the only intake manifolds that
>are listed in the Edelbrock book to fit the 400-455 big block Olds.
The
>7111 is for 350-403 SMALL Block Olds.  It will NOT fit the 455.
Sorry,
>no Performer RPM for the 455. At least right now.
>
>Mike Rothe

Mike,
I was going by what it says on Edelbrock's on line catalog. since it's
not likely that the 455 heads are going to be on the small block, the
implication is that the 7111 fits a 455. The following was copied from
the catalog.

PERFORMER RPM 330-403 (1500-6500 RPM)

Designed for 330-350-403 c.i.d. Oldsmobile V8s and 1980-1/2 to 1985
307 c.i.d. engines with 5A cylinder heads (casting #3317). Port flange
has extra material above the runner to allow for use with 455 heads.
This manifold is a high-rise, dual-plane design with 180°firing order
engineered for maximum top-end horsepower while maintaining great
throttle response. Recommended for high-performance street, strip and
marine applications. Has adequate clearance for HEI distributor. See
how to make 397 HP in a 350 c.i.d. Oldsmobile.
Performer RPM 330-403 (non-EGR) #7111*
Carburetor Recommendations:

OEM 4-bbl. - Ref. A, F, H, N.
Performer #1407 (750 cfm) - Ref. A, I, K, O.
Mick

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:09:18 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)

> I was going by what it says on Edelbrock's on line catalog. since it's
> not likely that the 455 heads are going to be on the small block, the
> implication is that the 7111 fits a 455. 

I understand where by reading that blurb about the 455 heads, it could
throw you off.  I just wanted to make sure that it was clear, so no one
ran out and bought the 7111 for their big block Olds. (I hate to use
that "big block" term, since it isn't REALLY a big block, more like a
"tall block", but for the sake of simplicity...)  What the blurb  is
talking about, is that if you used 400-455 heads on a small inch Olds,
there is enough meat in the manifold to be able to match those bigger
ports.  That's all.  The 7111 isn't wide enough to be used on the
400-455 inch engines.  Now, with the invention of a new Performer RPM
for the big blocks to go along with the new heads would be a nice
compliment to them.

And I think that the reference to the heads not for the W-30 was
mentioned before, about the "D" head comparison.  They WILL work, but
your static compression would go down slightly, which isn't necessarily
a BAD thing if you have to run todays crappy gas.  And if they flowed
better, I bet performance gains over the D head could be realized.  Not
that I'll be buying a set of aluminums anytime soon, but eventually I
probably will.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:28:53 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)

- ----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Aluminum Oldsmobile Heads (fwd)


>snip>
I just wanted to make sure that it was clear, so no one
>ran out and bought the 7111 for their big block Olds. (I hate to use
>that "big block" term, since it isn't REALLY a big block, more like a
>"tall block", but for the sake of simplicity...)  What the blurb  is
>talking about, is that if you used 400-455 heads on a small inch
Olds,
>there is enough meat in the manifold to be able to match those bigger
>ports.  That's all.
 <snip>
>Mike Rothe

Mike, thanks for clearing that up. You're right, it is confusing.

Mick

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:19:17 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: partsvoice

Would someone send me directly the info or tel# for partsvoice?

I am desperate to replace the rubber bellows part in my wiper motor. I've got
it all apart, I just need the new part!

Anyone?

Or if you know of a company that makes these (soooooo disappointed that
Steele Rubber did not list anything like it).

Thanks
KarlAune@aol.com

and
Soylent Ocean Mist

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 13:47:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@cctr.umkc.edu>
Subject: Re: 350 in '87 Cutlass

At 12:20 PM 11/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>   My question is, what
>year 350? I stil what to retain all emissions equipment and the computer. I
>don't think I want too much horsepower or torque just yet because I don't
>think the tranny will be able to take it.
>Andy Geeting
>'87 Cutlass Supreme
>'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
>'74 Delta 88 convertible
>'78 Caprice wagon
>'36 Plymouth coupe
>
I put a 350 in my '83 CS about a year back and it was great until a lady hit
me and totalled it. I bought my engine directly from GM, which I found out
cannot be done anymore, and they told me it was a 75-80 engine rebuilt and
bored .030 over.  Everything bolted up perfectly, exhaust, emmisions,
transmission, etc.  It ran great! You can get these engines from Parts
America. They priced me a 350 for my new '84 at $1000 minus $150 for the
core which you can't get if you have a 307 to give them.  They only want the
exact block they sold you. If I do this swap I am going to check into a 403.
It is the same block and everything should bolt up, just more power.  As
long as you are gentle with you right foot your transmission should be fine,
but we all know how hard that is. Good luck. Oldsmobile Forever!

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:14:41 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: OAI set-up for 70 442

> From: DROLDS350@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
> Subject: OAI set-up for 70 442
> Date: Sunday, November 23, 1997 9:29 AM
> 
> What is a reasonable price for a complete original OAI system?

I paid $1500 for a hood and breather for 70. I thought that was reasonable
some may differ but reasonable is as beauty is, in the eye of the beholder
or buyer.

Robert Schinkel

1970 W-31
1970 442 Conv.
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass Conv.  (13.4 et)


 

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 12:19:06 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: Re:Oldsmobiles Available

Yesterday I stopped by the Pick-a-part at Kramer/Glassel off the 91 in Anaheim. 

Lisa, I'm sure you know it well!  They just got in a green 70 Toro which is
pretty much all there except for the carb.  Has E heads (BV ???).  Also a 75
Cutlass coupe with buckets, console, and a 350.  Straight, complete body.  Also
a 74 Eldo convertible with a complete top mechanism which ought to interchange
with mid 70's D88 convertibles.

Sorry, no 67 Delta :(

The reason I went there was to snag a fender I pulled off a 72 Cutlass last
week.  I had stashed it in the trunk of another car to get later.  They crushed
that row this past week and replaced it with the cars listed above.  Bummer, it
was perfectly straight except for the usual rust hole:(

Hans

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:19:05 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: carbs

Found a couple carbs the other day...

Pre-Quadrajet [Quadrijet?] "4-jet" with tag still attached: 7020006

Qjets 7026254 & 7027036

I'm pretty sure the last two are '66 330 run o' the mill and 67 something?

Anyone know about the "4-jet" carb?

Hey, maybe I should take the "254" stamping off the '66 carb & transfer it to a
7028xxx carb, have my 68 W30 carb at long last!
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:29:58 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles Available

hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM wrote:
> 
> Also a 75
> Cutlass coupe with buckets, console, and a 350.  Straight, complete body.  Also

What color seats and console?

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:29:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Two72W30S@aol.com
Subject: Re: JWO...

In a message dated 97-11-23 10:37:58 EST, you write:

<< I am looking to complete my collection of JWO magazines. Here is what I 
 need (or want so  says the wife)... :-)
 
 All issues up to and including June 1989.
 October   1990
 January   1992
 April     1994
 October   1995
 
 General question, what was the date for the JWO #1? This tidbit may be 
 FAQ material?
 
  >>
Feb 5, 1971 I believe is the first OCA letter. The first JWO was July 1971.

I bought an entire collection from a many by the name of Schuyler V Borst.
His membership number was and still is 0094.  I bought the entire collection
for the sum of $250.00.  Its a great collection.  So I got his entire 15year
collection
which is in mint condition. It has alot of info of all the makes.  The first
years
were mostly about the late 30 and early 40-50 cars.  

Two72W30s (Mark Prince)
will be back to W MACHINES soon

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:32:53 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles Available

hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM wrote:
> 
> Also a 75
> Cutlass coupe with buckets, console, and a 350.  Straight, complete body.  Also

Wasn't a manual was it?!

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:41:18 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Build Sheet - Where?

        As my signature states, I've got a '76 Cutlass Supreme
Brougham.  It has had a few owners, my brother being the previous owner,
and I know he did not know of any build sheet for the car.  As far as I
know the car's interior has not really been disturbed (still original
carpetting as far as I can tell).  But I'm wondering WHERE I would find
the build sheet for the car?  That would be really neat to find I think,
but I don't want to tear out the whole interior looking for it.  Any
help is very much apprecaited as it will save me countless hours of
dismantling/reassembly.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:52:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: A find

Found a set of pistons the other day- box says Olds, they're dishless flat top
units. No measuring device handy, feller says they are for the early 400 motor.
Cool. Trouble is: they are standard size only, your bores must be good. I
wonder if I can bore a G block from 3.870 to 4.000.. that's "only" 130
thousandths... 1/16" each side.
- --
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*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:54:34 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: fan clutch

> ideas about the fan.  Would it be better to go with the lighter big
> blade fan from Flex or keep the orginal?
>
> I use the wagon for towing and general long vacation trips.  Just
> rebuilt the 350 and am in process of building a 200-4R to replace the
> 400.  I have replaced the ring & pinion to 4:11 also but have caculated
> that with .67 O.D. the engine will still turn about 2300-2400 at 70 mph.
> I really like the way it jumps off the line now but turinig close to
> 4000 at 70 really eats the gas up.

        Clarence, in my 4100lb Cutlass (2.41 gears, TH350) I have been
running the 6-blade Flex fan since I got it (on the previously-installed
403).  The longest yet slowest trip I ever took was when I travelled to
Canada's Wonderland from the Niagara Falls area in Canada.  I haven't the
foggiest as to the distance, but I think it's well over 100 miles one way,
well North of Toronto, anyways.  I had 3 other people and a bunch of stuff
in the car, so it was well weighed down, and we ran into some stop-n-go
traffic on the 401 (Trans Canada Highway) after some heavy driving/racing.
We ended up sitting sometimes for as long as 3-5 minutes and the temperature
didn't really go over 210, and that was idling at about 800rpm with a
cooling system that hadn't had attention in at least 4-5 years (a year and a
half of that was non-use too!) and I discovered when I yanked the rad when
doing the engine swap that several rows of fins from the bottom of the rad
were missing.  I was very surprised at how well the car cooled with this fan
(my bro yanked the original clutch fan because it too died and he replaced
it with a solid 5-blade, still forget where he found that monster, and it
sounded like a turbine engine, and ate horsepower like NUTZ at high-RPM).
Regular street driving was usually around 170 and on the high low 160s was
not uncommon.  I'm not sure of the thermo that's in it, but my guess would
be a 160.
        I would personally recommend you go with the Flex fan, as I have not
had any problems with it, and if you wonder how my car performed with the
Flex fan in my 4100lb Cutlass, check out the quarter mile performance in the
Stats section on my Cutlass' webpage
(http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cultass/).  The 403 that was in there had over
200K miles on it when my bro bought it and just dropped it in.  I shifted
the thing well past 4000rpm too...it never even saw 3rd the whole way down
the quarter thanx to the 2.41s!!  =B)  Hope this helps the decision making
process a bit!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:53:22 -0800 (PST)
From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Subject: RE: Build Sheet - Where

Hello Trevor,

Tried sending this message directly to you, but the message was
returned for some reason... didn't like your address for some reason...



> Return-Path: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
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> Received: from [151.141.27.21] by web2; Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:53:29 PST
> Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 12:53:29 -0800 (PST)
> From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Build Sheet - Where
> To: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hey Trevor,
> 
> The first place that I would check... found a few in this spot myself,
> seems to have been a favorite of Olds... would be under and behind the
> base of the back seat.  Another spot (this was where my build sheet in
> my '84 was located) would be in the bottom of the front seat (mine was
> in the passenger seat... I've got buckets/console).  Another 2 places
> that you might check would be in the driverside door somewhere and
> taped to the top of the gas tank (pray it's not in this location
> because if so, it will probably be so brittle as to be basically dust.
> 
> Hope this helps... there was never any one spot that workers were
> required to put them, in fact, on some cars, they were left out, and
> on other cars... like an '81 Calais I had for parts... they left two
> build sheets, one for my car, and one for the one behind/infront of it
> in the assembly line!  In my case, I found two build sheets in this
> car, one for the '81 Cust. Cruiser in front of me, and one for my
> Calais, still attached to each other!  Incidentally, this one was
> behind the back seat!
> 
> Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
> Clayton Pierce,
> zcwp11@ETSU.edu
> the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:05:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: '69, '70 Junkyard Toros...

>>I was out at one the local boneyards this last tuesday picking around when
>>I found some new arivals, mostly just a bunch of crap, but there was a '69
>
>If there is anything specific you guys want from
>>these, let me know.  I might be out there again soon.

Yup, for my '69 Toro, I need green interior pieces; are either car's
interior green?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:06:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Flat top pistons

>The early 400" engines and the 425's have flat top pistons.

Well, not all 425's; the set I pulled from the '66 Toro motor had a slight
dish (smaller than a 455, and much smaller than a 350, but still a dish). A
set of these would make a nice high-compression 350, since the 425's 4.125"
bore is a possible overbore from the stock 4.057" bore, and they share the
same pin height.

Of course, those flat-top W-31 pistons would give an even higher
compression, maybe even something approaching the factory-spec 10.25:1!

I just mention this possibility because I've got that spare 350 shortblock,
and a set of Toro pistons lying around...

Can the sides of the pistons be polished? Mine have scores in them that are
noticeable.

_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:17:30 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Where?

Trevor Lee wrote:
> 
>         As my signature states, I've got a '76 Cutlass Supreme
> Brougham.  It has had a few owners, my brother being the previous owner,
> and I know he did not know of any build sheet for the car.  As far as I

I found mine under the carpet behind the drivers seat. You have to take
off the Fischer plate first. I have a section on my web page about my
build sheet in case you're interested...

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 16:39:30 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: need h*lp with Manual Trans swap

Is it possible to swap a WD stamped '73 M-20 wide ratio Muncie with a KA
stamped '70 M-21 close ratio into a '73 Cutlass? Like, are they a direct
swap or is there going to have to be some fabrication involved?

Is it also possible to make an M-20 an M-21 by just replacing some stuff
like gears, or are they completely different?

What are the differences between a '73 CS with a manual (like the
beautiful triple black specimin I saw at Lansing) and it's automatic
brother?

Can you still buy brand new Muncie's that will fit a car like mine?

Whew, thank you!!!!
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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:20:52 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: lexus bashing

In a message dated 97-11-23 07:49:14 EST, you write:

<< "when youve had the rest, come drive the best: Quad 4"
  >>
yeh right....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernie

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:48:37 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Flat top pistons

I was just wondering about this... does anyone know what is generally 
available in the way of pistons for a 350 Rocket these days? Can you 
choose from different dish depths, flat tops, whatever, in a variety of 
sizes (std., .030, .040, .060, etc.)? 

Just me being curious...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 17:49:20 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s

I've got a '72 442 with a 350 (50k miles- rebuilt). What should the gauges
read during normal operation?

	
oil pressure: 	Hot	Cold
	When cold (giving it gas) it stays about 40 (no gas 30)
	When warm (giving it gas) it stays 30-35 (no gas below 20)
		This one I'm concerned about- Oil full

Voltmeter:
Temp: (Normal operating temp..200 to 240 I think)

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:26:50 -0500 (EST)
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass

Check out Cars & Parts Magazine "Catalog of Oldsmobile 442, W-machines, and
Hurst/olds ID numbers 1964-1991.  Got mine at Barnes and Nobels or Boarders.
 It may not be exactly what you want for your Cutlass, but could not hurt.
Has sample paint colors, and Olds trim samples
P.S.  I had them open it before I bought it to make sure I wanted it.  Comes
wrapped in plastic

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:39:10 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes '71 Cutlass

DKlauber@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Check out Cars & Parts Magazine "Catalog of Oldsmobile 442, W-machines, and
> Hurst/olds ID numbers 1964-1991.  Got mine at Barnes and Nobels or Boarders.
>  It may not be exactly what you want for your Cutlass, but could not hurt.
> Has sample paint colors, and Olds trim samples
> P.S.  I had them open it before I bought it to make sure I wanted it.  Comes
> wrapped in plastic
Sounds pretty good.  How much was it?  What else was in it?  Thanks for
the info.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 97 17:28:13 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: parting 69 4-4-2

Hi all,
I'm parting out the 4-4-2 I bought earlier in the month and here is what I currently have available from a 4-sp a/c car from Arizona with red interior:

rear seat - both bottom and back
front sway bar, assuming stock size, haven't measured it
passenger kick panel - the driver side has the 'leg' broke off, so I'll sell you both for the price of one, both need repainting
std instrument cluster w/o clock
p/s setup - includes column, box, hoses, pump w/2 groove pulley
a/c setup on firewall - that's all I have and have no idea of the condition, so please don't ask for compressor, etc
passenger front bumper brackets

I have no use for these items, so make me an offer, as I'm not looking for a kings ransom and I'd like to see someone who can use these have them.  FYI, on the p/s and a/c items, all I know is the car was together, whole and running a couple years ago.

If I don't respond right away, it's because I've been extremely busy lately so please be patient.  Thanks.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 15:53:29 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:Oldsmobiles Available

Too bad you missed my pair of VC fenders - the drivers side was perfect,
the pass. has rust but the guy who took the other one still wants it (I've
gotta get it to either Las Vegas or Utah - long story).

A '70 Toro - wow, pull off the bumpers if they're good & resell them at
Pomona!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:07:55 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3-on-the-tree C/S Ragtop

everett, i already knew about your  3 on tree car....
   looking foward to the pictures and check later inthe week.
haPPY  thanksgiving  jeff

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:09:44 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

  i canhelp you with the wind reg   let me know    olds guy ga...
ga....

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:06:30 -0500
From: Miguel Morales <miguel.morales@mci.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst 442 info

Mike Rothe presented some good information about identifying a 442 and
later model Hurst/Olds. I have a Hurst/Olds, 442 and W-machine book that
you can purchase at Borders or even order it. It lists all the models
since the late 60's and every imaginable RPO code for various Cutlass or
Hurst models. I own an 84 model Hurst as well.

FYI, if Mike Rothe was giving information specific to the 442 model of
85 thru 87, the Hurst/Olds may be a liitle different. The 84 does have
an idle compensator for the A/C. The original engine color is black,
including valve covers. The valve covers and carburetor also have decals
with UPC code marks on them. The dual exhaust is not true-dual but the
83/84 Hursts had a weird cross-over pipe that joined the two sides
around the catalytic converter, which has an air hose coming out of the
air pump that supplies air when the engine reaches normal temperatures.
Cold-engine air was directed to the smog-heads.

There is no A/C override switch on the gas-pedal and I am not even sure
if this capability is handled by a carburetor mounted switch or is
computer controlled. I have not seen a funny-looking big black switch
near the accelerator linkage in my car so I think its computer driven
but I may be mistaken. Scanning this engine which is a 307 Vin "9" will
show that the computer has knowledge of gear positions and A/C on/off
states.

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:12:16 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3-on-the-tree

 everett,i can't believe this car a factory origional.. 3 on the tree

 in 1977 let me know  jeff...

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:14:52 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: hello

 tom, hi any word on the right side 70 mirror?
     what kind of deal can we make on the LH side

    thanks   jeff.....

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:17:24 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed/  found!

     hey, what kind of stuff do you have...
     looking for console door for 70-2 
 70 sport mirrors.. need guts for right side..
  also need guts or glass for rh 71-2...

     maybe you can fax me a list of your parts...
  fax 770-270-2321...  olds guy ga....

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:32:10 -0600
From: "M.J.Chapman" <chapman1@midwest.net>
Subject: New Guy on the list 

Hello all
my name is Mark.  I just purchased a 1985 Cutlass Salon and i was wondering
where on the 'net can i go to get the specs for this car.  i.e. type of
tranny. H.P., top speed 
all that kind of stuff.

thanks in advance
Mark Chapman
85 Cutlass Salon
87 Monte Carlo SS
95 Monte Carlo LS

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:39:07 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: New Guy on the list

M.J.Chapman wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> my name is Mark.  I just purchased a 1985 Cutlass Salon and i was wondering
> where on the 'net can i go to get the specs for this car.  i.e. type of
> tranny. H.P., top speed
> all that kind of stuff.

Well, there's http://www.442.com and the Olds FAQ at 
http://www.en.com/users/thall/olds/oldsfaq4.htm and, of course, HERE!

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:39:38 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: PARTS: New Items

   jim   looking for 4-4-2 letters for 70 hood,  also  colsole door for 70-2
 for 2one of my consoles prefer dark color console now gr may recolor...
  no 70 rh guts yet?  thanks jeff....

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 17:03:03 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds.

Get Microsoft Internet Explorer, I once tried brand x, I was looking for
the satisfaction I had from my 67 442, didnt find it and regret having lost
the 442.  Stick to the real thing.

- ----------
> From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Non-Olds.
> Date: Friday, November 21, 1997 9:25 AM
> 
> Dave Ward wrote:
> > 
> > Chris Miller wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry for the non-Olds question, but how do you put a signature file
on
> > > the bottom of your e-mails.  I am using Netscape and know how to
attach
> > > it but how do you make one?
> > 
> > I second the motion....I'm using Netscape 3.0, and I'm sick of typing
in
> > my signature at the bottom of each letter.  Could someone help *us*
out?
> > 
> > (Sorry for the waste of bandwidth!)
> > 
> > S. Dave Ward
> 
> 
> Go into notepad in windows, create you signature exactly the way you
> want it to apear. Save the file with with a <.sig> at the end. Go back
> to Netscape click on OPTIONS then on MAIL AND NEWS PREFERENCES. Once
> there click on IDENTITY then, in that menu is where you tell netscape
> where the .sig file you created can be found. Click OK to everything
> then exit and restart netscape. For ease of memory I call my sig file
> EMAIL.SIG, what's easier then that !
> 
> If you need more help e-mail me on the side ! (from the sig below)
> 
> Good Luck !
> 
> 
> -- 
>                                                      
> Bill !                                         
> 
>                                               _           _       ___
> 1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
>      Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
> 1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34             |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
> 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34              |_|         |_|   |_______|
> 
> * * * * * * * * *
> * COMMING  SOON *---------> www.3STICKS.com
> * * * * * * * * *
> 
> 	http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 10/10/97)

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 19:51:56 -0500 (EST)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: picking a lock

Hi,
    I think you can get the lock cylinder out by pushing the tumblers in
through a small hole on the side of the case and prying out on the cylinder
other than the one you normally use. At least on the older rear wheel drive
Cadillacs you can do this and think Olds would be similar. Hope this helps
Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:25:48 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Door Locks

A friend of mine is in the process of restoring his 70 442.  He
installed a better set of doors since his were badly rusted.  He
stripped the olds doors and junked them....but forgot to remove the door
locks and he doesn't have keys for the locks in his new doors.  What's
the solution?

Can you make keys using the existing door locks?  Or can you still get
new locks keyed the same as the ignition key?  Any suggestions.

Wayne Schwartz
69 442 convertible

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 20:48:44 -0500 (EST)
From: PSROACH442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oh, C'mon....

Hey maybe Mike's "stang" was being pushed by a 4-4-2

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 18:33:07 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Minor Things

>
>shaun
>81 custom cruiser
>89 calais gold edition
>cheap beer enthusiest
>

Are you actually old enough to drink!?
You sure don't act or sound like it!

P.S. - It's enthusiast not 'enthusiest'

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:48:06 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst 442 info

> FYI, if Mike Rothe was giving information specific to the 442 model of
> 85 thru 87, the Hurst/Olds may be a liitle different. The 84 does have
> an idle compensator for the A/C. 

Sorta.  What you re thinking of is the idle speed solenoid (ISS).  It is
only activated when the A/C is turned on.  I thought we figured this one
out already.....the ILC diaphragm is in the same place, but is vacuum
controlled.  It has a little different function.  When vacuum is
applied, it allows the throttle to close more, and when it loses vacuum,
the spring overrides the diaphragm to open the throttle more.  A/C on or
off, it still functions in this manner.

The original engine color is black,
> including valve covers. The valve covers and carburetor also have decals
> with UPC code marks on them. The dual exhaust is not true-dual but the
> 83/84 Hursts had a weird cross-over pipe that joined the two sides
> around the catalytic converter, which has an air hose coming out of the
> air pump that supplies air when the engine reaches normal temperatures.
> Cold-engine air was directed to the smog-heads.

So far, you are in the 442 realm also.  Forgot to mention all this
before.  AND, there is a UPC code sticker on the dist. cap.
> 
> There is no A/C override switch on the gas-pedal and I am not even sure
> if this capability is handled by a carburetor mounted switch or is
> computer controlled. I have not seen a funny-looking big black switch
> near the accelerator linkage in my car so I think its computer driven
> but I may be mistaken. 

Black?  Who said it was black?  Under the dash, look at the bracket
above the gas pedal.  There should be a switch with some wires coming
out of it.  This is activated by the gas pedal at WOT to cutout the A/C
compressor.  At least I'm pretty sure about this.  It is on an 85
anyway.

As far as drivetrains go, I can assure you that I've had my 85 since
new, and the carb was an 84 H/O RESTAMP.  In other words, the carb
number for the year has a "5" overstamping a "4".  It's obvious.  The
drivetrains in 84 and 85 are exactly alike.  I think they just used some
left over H/O parts from 84.  Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Where do you guys find all these books anyway.  Here I am trying to
remember 90% of everything out of my head.  Well, at least you guys are
keeping me honest.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 21:50:25 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Minor Things

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
> 
> >
> >shaun
> >81 custom cruiser
> >89 calais gold edition
> >cheap beer enthusiest
> >
> 
> Are you actually old enough to drink!?
> You sure don't act or sound like it!
> 
> P.S. - It's enthusiast not 'enthusiest'
> 
Hey, leave him alone.  He must be a cheap beer enthusiast, for spellig,
er, spelling is the first thing to go when you're drinking.....;^)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:16:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: mod 57 @ centennial

in my just recieved january 98 pop. hot rod magazine, there is a car i
would be interested in knowing more about. on page 82 an article on
lansing starts.  on page 83 there is a picture of a modified 57.  did any
of you lansing goers see or remember where it is from, or owner or
anything?
thanks
47rocket98
======================
any chance it's the green metallic doorless one?

I know that car.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sun, 23 Nov 1997 22:18:55 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Weird engine in '72?

Hi, I am having trouble deciphering my car.  Maybe someone can help me.
I have a '72 Cutlass S, and I looked up the Serial number on the drivers
side dashboard no problem.  But on my engine though, there is a number
on the front of my engine, right below the thermostat and Intake
Manifold.  And right to the right of the number is this shiny, gold
colored bolt.  The number is: 145747.  Thanks for everyones help in
advance.  Erik Badzinski,
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That number does not ring a bell, and does not come up in my database of "every
Olds number known to man" [well, almost]. So, the # is wrong, or it's not an
Olds motor I have ever seen.

The '72 SHOULD have a standard #2 block w/ # 395558 right behind the water pump
there

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Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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