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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 29 1997     Volume 01 : Number 927



Weekend sights, interesting F/S???
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?
oops
Re: Tilt Wheel
Re: Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas
Re: Votes Needed
Remove us from mailing list
My 66 Toro
Re: Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas
Re: 455 Supercharge
Parking light needed
Re[2]: Tilt Wheel
Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???
FWD: '32 Olds Parts for Sale
Re: Parking light needed
D88 Water Leaks
Re: Dash lights repair
Re: Parking light needed
Re: Tilt Wheel
Re: 455 crank
Exhaust Systems
Looking for parts
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
Re: D88 Water Leaks
Re: Tilt Wheel
RE: A's on heads
Re: Dr. Bob's signature
What to do?
Re: What to do?
Re: What to do?
RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Speaking of W41s...
RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Re: BUSY WEEKEND
Quad 4 Trannies
Quad 4 Time slips
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
'66 Toro - what's it worth?
Re[2]: What to do?
Re[2]: What to do?
Re: Dr. Bob's signature
RE: FOR SALE: 66 98 Luxury Sedan
Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Re: 455 crank
Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???
Scanners and Computer digital cameras
Re: '66 Toro - what's it worth?
Tire rod disaster
Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:29:28 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???

Got my '66 Toro, and dropped at the farm this morning.  (finally!)
Inspected my next haul (the '81 Cutlass, no engine/tranny/steering
column/master cyl/front rt rotor/brgs/wheel...)  Keeping it company for
the time being, among several other junkyard cars, sat a '65 GTO,
62/3(?) Dynamic 88, 57 ~and~ 58 Olds, some mid 40's/early 50's (?)Olds
88.  ALL complete! All off limits:(

Checked out another lot (the one I'd kept my 70 Delta in).  The lot
needs to be liquidated.  One of the cars in there (I think is available)
early 60's (the first ones made) Pontiac Tempest.  This is the one with
the tranny in the rear.  Mostly complete, but had a dash fire.  Didn't
look too bad in there, though.  This thing has a ~slant~ 4, but a 389 is
supposed to have been offered in it...  Very rare car, I hear.  Might be
gotten for cheap?  Anyone interested?  A good friend of mine sold it to
the guy that has it now, several years ago, so he could get his 68 GTO
(which ~still~ has no engine!)  Edelbrock sent him special heads for it,
new castings, but they've had tons of problems.  When they finally
showed up, they said Performer RPM, but the "RPM" was "X"d out.  The guy
building the engine spent a week getting ahold of Edelbrock, they said
just use em, nothing to worry about.  During the week or so he spent
polishing, porting, etc those heads, the owner contacted Edelbrock on
the net.  The tech guy there acted shocked, and said to send 'em back.
Ouch.  Who knows what that'll lead to...

Anyway, gotta go.  Anyone interested in a rare Tempest???

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:29:34 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> My Cutlass is currently in second place
> A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far.

Aye, but no longer.  Now we just need to peg out that dragster!
Apparantly, it seems, yours is the ~only~ car on the page getting ~any~
votes at all.  Hmm.  Wonder if they'll suspect us...  :)

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:37:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Mancinj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Any quad 4 owners on here yet?

Yep.

I've got a '90 Calais Q4, going strong.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:56:12 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: oops

Hey fellers,
I need a good (no cracks) B head.  Some rotten bastard tried to port it and
ruined it....boy if I knew who did it I'd.........wait a minute... I did it
  anyway I do need a head, so if you have one you can spare, give me a
shout.
                                        Thanks,
                                    Eric Phillips
babbott@pdnt.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:01:29 -0800
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Tilt Wheel

Hi all,

How hard is to convert from a non-tilt steering wheel to a tilting
one?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:17:13 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas

This year, I
> have added R. E. Olds and am looking for ideas for an epitaph.  It looks
> really cool with the old Oldsmobile symbol at the top (Olds Motor Works -
> Lansing Mich.), his name, and his actual Born and Died dates.   Anyway, I am
> looking for suggestions for it, either serious or humorous.
> Happy Halloween,
>
> Jeff "Boris"Zeilmann

Jeff, I know it sounds a little hokie (sorry Jason), but one suggestion
I would make is "Purveyor of world class automobiles".  Or maybe a
little ditty:

Here lies Ransom E Olds,
Father of the Cutlass, the Olds, the 442,
A man of vision, a man who was great,
A man who would today wonder,
What happened to the big, proud Olds V-8.

Great minds have stated a camel is a horse designed by committee,
So why do we wonder when the General screws up the new cars,
And forces us to drive the old ones to the local bars.
So  I bring to an end this awful little ditty,
As we now  go outside to fire up the Olds, Cutlass or 442,
Let's all hope GM gets a focus or it will be a pity.

My apologies to all poets for having to read this.  Poetry ain't my
longsuit as you probably have noticed, but I'm just having a little fun.
:)  Happy Halloween to all!!!

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:23:08 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> M&D Gillespie wrote:
> >
> > My Cutlass is currently in second place
> > A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far.
>
> Aye, but no longer.  Now we just need to peg out that dragster!
> Apparantly, it seems, yours is the ~only~ car on the page getting ~any~
> votes at all.  Hmm.  Wonder if they'll suspect us...  :)
>
> Charley Buehner
> mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

Do we care if they do suspect us?  It's still a free country the last I
heard.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:28:19 +0000
From: Vail Ranch Middle School <vrmslib@iinet.com>
Subject: Remove us from mailing list

Please remove us (vrmslib@iinet.com) from your mail distribution
server.

Thank you!

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 15:49:25 -0800
From: Jono Kohan <jono_kohan@sonymusic.com>
Subject: My 66 Toro

I just purchase a 1966 Toronado Deluxe Burgandy Poly Mist with 97,000
original miles on it.  I love it.  It drives great.  I would like to get
info. and correspondence with other 66 Toro owner.

Skrelvin@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:51:39 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> Jeff, I know it sounds a little hokie (sorry Jason), but one suggestion
> I would make is "Purveyor of world class automobiles".  Or maybe a
> little ditty:
>
> Here lies Ransom E Olds,
> Father of the Cutlass, the Olds, the 442,
> A man of vision, a man who was great,
> A man who would today wonder,
> What happened to the big, proud Olds V-8.
>
> Great minds have stated a camel is a horse designed by committee,
> So why do we wonder when the General screws up the new cars,
> And forces us to drive the old ones to the local bars.
> So  I bring to an end this awful little ditty,
> As we now  go outside to fire up the Olds, Cutlass or 442,
> Let's all hope GM gets a focus or it will be a pity.

Nice!  It's not _too_ Hokie.  After all, you didn't use the H-word!  :-)

Jees, this weekend IS Halloween!  I hope the Cutlass doesn't get tricks or
treats out in the parking lot.  I found out last weekend, when I went home,
that evidently, someone thought THEIR car needed MY car cover more than MY
car needed it!  I'd like to have it this weekend...
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:58:45 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Supercharge

Marcus McGee wrote:
>
> Has any one installed a centrifugal supercharger(Paxton, ProCharger,
> Vortech)
> on an Olds 455 with carb?  I am looking at doing it for my GMC motorhome
> that has a 455 in it to improve the towing and grade climbing capacity.
>
> Thanks
> Marcus McGee

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 17:25:39 -0800
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Parking light needed

I need a Parking light assymbly for a 70 Olds.  I do not need the lens,
just the bulb and the housing.  New or used, in good condition.
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 21:40:49 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Tilt Wheel

Hi all,

How hard is to convert from a non-tilt steering wheel to a tilting
one?

Chris Sparks

     You just need to swap the steering column.  On a 68 (we _are_ talking
     about your 68, aren't we) this is pretty easy, as you don't need to
     mess with changing the ignition lock.  Say about an hour, tops.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:59:54 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???

Charley Buehner wrote:

> This thing has a ~slant~ 4,

Charley

I doubted on this at first, but you're right.  Pontiac called it an
"inclined 4".

Overheard at Fall Hershey - two men standing in front of a '61 Dodge
Dart.

Man ª1: "Is that a Slant 6?"

Man ª2: "Naw, its a straight 6 with a bad motor mount".

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:09:32 -0500
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: FWD: '32 Olds Parts for Sale

Got this through the OCA web site, anyone interested  The person's
e-mail is contained in the message:
====================================================
Subject: 1932 F-32 Oldsmobile
  Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 07:27:06 -0700
  From: "D.L.Hedger" <messiah@idirect.com>
    To: brad442@erols.com

I have some parts for 1932 F32 6cyl Oldsmobile for sale - I am not a
member but think these parts might be of interest to those restoring or
maintaining a '32 Oldsmobile. I have a 6cyl block (no head) many door
handles & bezels as well as a "fisher body" emblem9 for right lower cowl
& a "Oldsomobile" oval ( for radiator bars or rear tail light - and some
other stuff. just have members contact me as i want to move this
valuable stuff soon.
My address is D.L.Hedger 14 Burnt Log Cres., Etobicoke, Ontario M9C 2J8
Canada. Use the e-mail address messiah@idirect.com as well for quick
messages
My fax number is (416)621-7270
Pass on to those who might be interested - I am sure there can't be too
many with '32 Olds - only 13000 all models made in USA & 700 in Canada
for that year
Cheers DON
==========================================--

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 18:59:10 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Parking light needed

>I need a Parking light assymbly for a 70 Olds.  I do not need the lens,
>just the bulb and the housing.  New or used, in good condition.
>Thanks
>Brad
>70 442

I got a good used backup light assembly for my '69 for $10 from Specialty
Olds in Florida (800) 622-2024/(941) 293-7966, they may be worth a try.


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:26:20 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: D88 Water Leaks

Remember a few weeks ago we were talking about water leaking into the
interior of these cars via the heater box. When I replaced the heater core
on the '78 I followed the advice as best I could and tried to seal the
thing by using strip caulk inside the box on any seams I could see.  For
the first time in 3 weeks we have had some steady rain here the last few
days and the car sat outside. Tonight there was about a cup of water on
the passenger-side floormat! :(

Dunno if my efforts actually made it worse, because the car hasn't sat
outside like this in the rain since I've owned it until now. But this has
got to be fixed, because we have been known to have rain around here.
When I get a chance I'll recheck the heater box/firewall seal, and maybe
get out the ol' caulking gun if I have to (I used strip caulk before) but
I somehow doubt it's coming from that area.

It's hard to tell exactly where the source is since there was no evidence
of water dripping under the dash. The windshield doesn't seem to leak,
and the leak seems to originate somewhere near the center hump right
below the heater, so that is still the prime suspect. Can someone re-send
the info on sealing the inside of the heater box? I remember talk about a
seam where the fiberglass box meets a metal area but I'm not sure now I
got to the right spots.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 21:27:37 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Dash lights repair

At 06:07 PM 10/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>If memory serves the dash lights for the speedo use twist-in ª194 sockets
>that the wedgy bases of the bulbs press into. Those sockets contact the
>printed circuit on the back of the speedo case. Are the little metal tangs
>on the base of the socket making good contact with the printed circuit?
>That would be the first thing I'd check.

   I believe these are all push in bulbs.  Not srew in type.


>You say that only about half the lights come on -- is it hit or miss in
>all 3 instrument "cans", or is it all out in one and all working in
>others? That might indicate a bad ground to the can itself. I am a little
>suspicious of those type of sockets after the problems I've had in the
>Delta. They seem very susceptible to poor contact.

   Consistently the right side is lit and the left side is out. I'm becoming
convinced that I either have a ground problem or possibly a power problem on
that side of the printed circuit board. If this is true, it baffles me
because a circuit board such as this type would be a single circuit instead
of a split circuit on a single board.  But then again were not talking about
'90's technology here. What is happening here is through the three guages
the unlit portion is split in half between the middle guage.


   I think what I may need to do at this point is to remove the circuit
board but I'm not sure how to disassemble the dash to do it.  Then again I
might be able to resolve this without taking it all apart.  How difficult is
it to remove the dash in a '69 4-4-2?

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:41:03 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Parking light needed

Hi Brad

I have one in excellent condition no pits very nice if your are interested
E me direct and we can discuss the terms  OK

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Parking light needed
> Date: Tuesday, October 28, 1997 8:25 PM
>
> I need a Parking light assymbly for a 70 Olds.  I do not need the lens,
> just the bulb and the housing.  New or used, in good condition.
> Thanks
> Brad
> 70 442

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:00:49 -0500
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Tilt Wheel

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> How hard is to convert from a non-tilt steering wheel to a tilting
> one?
>
> Chris Sparks
Chris- I did this on my 69 442 rag top a year ago.  Everything is a bolt
in swap.  Took me no more than 90 minutes tops along with tidying up
some wiring when I was under dash.  Wayne

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 21:49:27 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: 455 crank

At 05:20 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever heard of grinding a 455 crank down and using big block
>Chevrolet rods? From what I hear you can get a little over 500 cid from
>doing this. Also does anyone know the limit on boring a 455? I think I
>found a couple more ways to put me into 800hp naturally just wanting to
>run them by you guys and get your input.
>
>Thanks,
>Ben
>
>

   Your going to do WHAT???     Typo maybe!!

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:42:56 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Exhaust Systems

  As usual I have some questions to ask.  I recently purchased a top for my
car and am already thinking ahead to the next project.  I think I'm going
to do the exhaust next for a couple of reasons.  It's loud, it's rusty, and
I'd like to use those cutouts in the rear bumper for what they were made
for.. The car currently has 2.5" pipes.  What are 442 exhausts usually?  If
they're smaller diameter then would it be too small or is that not really
much of a difference?  I'm not building an all out drag machine but I don't
wanna hold my engine back or anything :)  I'm not really worried about
keeping it stock since its already got headers on it.  Although, I really
do want to have the Olds chrome tips on there.  Is there a way to fit em on
2.5" pipes?  Also, does anyone have any experience putting headers in a '69
convertible?  Are there any that fit pretty well?  Thanks as usual.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:04:13 -0600
From: "gblanchard" <sierra@autobahn.mb.ca>
Subject: Looking for parts

Looking to find parts for a 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Convertable in the
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada area, or Northern U.S.A.  Any suggestions??

Thank you!

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 23:58:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

> >curve in response to the following inputs: engine vacuum, coolant
> >temperature, crank signal.  A delayed spark is desirable during
> >cranking to reduce the load on the starting system, especially on a hot
> >engine.  The spark is advanced above the normal setting during cruise...

On Mon, 26 May 1997, Jeff Easton wrote:

> Oh great.  You're gonna make me drive all the way back to Beloit to look
> under the hood of that '80 Delta for the elusive crank sensor... :-)

Hi Jeff, sorry for the delay in replying, but my mail program is
set to "order by date", and your computer's date is grossly incorrect! :)
The crank signal merely tells the ESS module when the engine is cranking,
probably with some sort of connection with the ignition switch.  The
terminology used in service manuals can be confusing sometimes!

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:22:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: D88 Water Leaks

Hi Greg,

> days and the car sat outside. Tonight there was about a cup of water on
> the passenger-side floormat! :(
{snip}
> the info on sealing the inside of the heater box? I remember talk about a
> seam where the fiberglass box meets a metal area but I'm not sure now I
> got to the right spots.

The water on the passenger-side floormat is a sure sign of the leak as
described in the TSB someone mentioned earlier, the one I repaired
with silicon sealant.  Although your Delta 88 does not have A/C, the air
intake portion should be similar to A/C models?  The part that needs
sealing is _not_ at the box-metal interface, but much farther down in the
air intake, in front of where the recirculate door would be.  It is a
plastic-plastic junction, at the bottom of the cavity leading to the
blower squirrel cage, where windshield runoff would drain away.  Removing
the HVAC box to replace the heater core would probably not disturb this
section, but would facilitate access; this is not necessary if one applies
the sealant by hand.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:17:24 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Tilt Wheel

Hi Joe,

>      You just need to swap the steering column.  On a 68 (we _are_ talking
>      about your 68, aren't we) this is pretty easy, as you don't need to
>      mess with changing the ignition lock.  Say about an hour, tops.

I would like to eventually put a tilting wheel into my 442.  I guess I
am spoiled
with my other cars which have this feature.  Thanks for the info.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:46:44 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RE: A's on heads

>>This is the only place this distinction applies, since there were no
>>big-block heads with the "A" following the letter in full-size (ignore
>>those "CA" heads, where both letter castings are apparently smaller; what
>
>Mondello's Tech manual says that Da's exist as well. Rare as D's are, I can
>only say, "if you say so."

Yup, doing this only as a hobby, I don't have a full set of Olds heads to
compare, though I do have both 7's and 7a's, and a couple pairs of 4A's as
an example of the later casting style.

>Have we forgotten the Ga's of 1972, Doctor Bob, and what about the Ka's on my
>425^H^H55 as seen on www.442.com?

Though the new baby and my grading does have me a bit bleary-eyed, I was
limiting myself to the "full-size capital A" late-model smog small-block
castings, which don't have any relatives in the big-block world.

I'm still interested in some hard numbers on combustion chamber and port
cc's, as well as the actual cfm's from each runner, just to see how bad the
"notoriously" bad exhaust ports are on the Oldses
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 05:46:48 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Dr. Bob's signature

>> 1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400
>                        ^^^
>
>I know you meant 403, but you'll give someone the wrong idea. :)

No, I actually meant 409, which is what an Olds 403 small-block measures
when it's bored over +.030". So, when I refer to the Olds engine in my
Buick, and someone says "Oh, you've got a Chevy motor in that?", I can say
"you mean Chevy made an engine that size as well?"
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 00:18:53 -0800
From: Rich Meyers <richbmeyers@CCTR.UMKC.EDU>
Subject: What to do?

I have recently bought an '84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham and I have a few
questions for anyone out there who can help.  First let me say that this
is my seventh Cutlass and I was a mechanic in the Army for four years.
This Cutlass is going to be my best one yet.  The last Cutlass that I did
a lot of work to was an '83 about a year ago.  I replaced the old 307
with a GM350, rebuilt the carb and a few other things.  It ran great
until an old lady hit me and totalled it.  Now that I've got another one
I want to start upgrades.  My main question is about performance
upgrades.  I can't seem to find any ads or listings for upgrades to a
Cutlass of this year or anything for an Olds 307 engine.  I would also
like to put a larger engine in this car, but since I'm moving to
Washington state I don't know if this will be possible.  Did Olds make an
engine bigger than the 307 during '84-present.  I don't think I'll be
able to put an older engine in my car due to emissions laws.  I want to
have an Olds motor in my car but it seems like it might be easier to swap
in a Chevy motor.  Or should I just rebuild my 307 and bore it out, put
some good engine parts in and try to find the other stuff.  Heck, I can't
even find headers that will fit.  I am proud of Olds but why can't
someone make some good aftermarket parts for these very common cars?
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places for parts, but I can't find
anything.  One idea that crossed my mind is putting an Olds 350 in it and
just not telling anyone.  Everything is esentially the same between the
two motors, but I don't know if the emissions testers could tell the
difference.  If I do put a Chevy engine into it what would I have to
change?  New motor mounts, transmission bell-housing or what?  If I did
this would any parts for a Monte Carlo work on my car.  If so there are
many parts available for them and almost every magazine advertises them.
I know this is a lot of stuff to cover but I am excited to get started.
Thanks for your time.  Oldsmobile Forever!

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:43:23 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: What to do?

Rich Meyers wrote:
>
> I want to start upgrades.  My main question is about performance
> upgrades.  I can't seem to find any ads or listings for upgrades to a
> Cutlass of this year or anything for an Olds 307 engine.

I haven't seen any performance parts for the 307 either.  I've looked (only
casually) for parts for my 307, but all I can find are overhaul kits.
Edelbrock does make a Performer package for the Olds 350 that ~should~ fit
the 307, because all Oldsmobile small blocks are the same size,
externally.  The Performer package contains a camshaft, intake manifold,
and headers (I think, not sure about the headers).  I've had very good
experiences with Edelbrock and would not be hesitant to order something
from them again.

> like to put a larger engine in this car, but since I'm moving to
> Washington state I don't know if this will be possible.  Did Olds make an
> engine bigger than the 307 during '84-present.

The only thing they made bigger than a 307 is the 350...diesel.  You can
get a 1980 or earlier Oldsmobile 305 gasoline engine, and you can probably
make it pass emissions.  If you want to be raical, you can find an 84 350
diesel and convert it to gasoline.  I'm completely in the dark about this
procedure...maybe someone else could enlighten us on this?

> in a Chevy motor.  Or should I just rebuild my 307 and bore it out, put
> some good engine parts in and try to find the other stuff.  Heck, I can't
> even find headers that will fit.

Heddman headers makes headers for the 307.  I checked on this about a year
ago when I thought the passenger-side exhaust manifold was cracked.
Supposedly, the Headman's do fit, but I think you will have to do away with
the catalytic converter?  Again, I'm not sure about the particulars, I'm
just trying to give you some leads.

> anything.  One idea that crossed my mind is putting an Olds 350 in it and
> just not telling anyone.  Everything is esentially the same between the
> two motors, but I don't know if the emissions testers could tell the
> difference.

They might not be able to tell.  If you use your 307 stuff on the 350, you
might be able to pull it off.  By "stuff", I mean carburetor (because, it
is computer-controlled), intake manifold, and your 5A heads.  To make sure
you have 5A heads, check the upper-left hand corner of the driver's side
head.  There should be about a 1-inch tall "5A" sitting there, cast into
the head.  Rumor has it that some of the 84's got slow-flowing 7A heads,
but I checked mine and they're the 5A's.

> If I do put a Chevy engine into it what would I have to
> change?  New motor mounts, transmission bell-housing or what?

To say the least.  You'd probably need to also change all electricals
(computer, etc.) to work with the Chevy motor.  Possibly exhaust system
back to the cat, too, I dunno about this.

I've been reading a lot, recently, about the computer-controlled carburetor
on my 307.  It really can be pretty efficient, if you drive it right.  I've
decided to keep my 84 pristine, and save the engine mods for a different
project car, some time down the road.  Whatever you decide to do, good
luck!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:11:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: What to do?

if you don't mind having the check engine light on all the time get rid of
your computer controled Quadrajet carb and the distrubutor and put on a
mechanical quadrajet and a mechanical vacum advance distrubutor HEI of
course. thats what i have done in my ar as of yesterday. has anybody seen a
mustang lately? my foot feels a bit heavy. once you do those upgrades you
should really feel the difference in power also have your heads shaved ported
and polished  also have the intake manifold matched if your budget allows
this.  igot my donwe really cheap so you should have no propblem.

Mark Krajewski
OlDs307y@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:14:42 -0500 (EST)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

<<Is there much activity on the list about the newer cars with the drive
wheels on the wrong end??  Not that I don't like 60s and 70s muscle cars
- - - I have had a few and really miss the sound of a big V8 at full
throttle.....

Mike Taylor>>

Mike,

Welcome to the list.  Yes there are a few of us have cars that drive the
wrong wheels.  Most of us are W41 owners, although I'm sure you're the only
one with a Pontiac.  As the others have stated please tell us more about what
you've done to your Quad 4.

There is also a sort of "splinter group" from this list which is made up
primarily of W41 Calais and Achieva owners.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
OCA ª29604

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:18:17 -0500 (EST)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Speaking of W41s...

Hey Chris Witt!

You never have told us more about the Quad 442 that you said you saw on a car
lot.  Was it a W41 or not?

Cecil
1991 W41
OCA ª29604

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:07:47 -0600
From: Mike Taylor <MTaylor@msi-us.com>
Subject: RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Cecil,

I have modified my Grand Am for Solo II and Solo I Autocrossing. Am
thinking of entering the "One Lap of America" with it next year.

 Can't remember all the mods off the top of my head, but the  Quad 4 has
had head work (port matching), different exhaust manifold and exhaust
system, the head has been shaved a little to increase compression (you
are limited as to how much can be shaved by Solo II rules), lightened
flywheel, different chip.  The A/C system has been removed to decrease
weight up front.

The chassis has seen alot of changes including coilover front
suspension, shorter springs in back, bigger fron and rear sway bars,
harder suspension bushings, 6 point roll cage (primarily to stiffen the
chassis), larger front disk brakes, 15x7 wheels with  225 width BFG R1
race tires.  The car sits about 3  inches lower than stock.

Have't gotten it out on the track yet with the above mods- hopefully
this weekend though if get the transaxle back in by then.  It was pretty
quick in stock trim - I could run pretty close to 5.0 liter mustangs at
the Blackhawk farms road course near Rockford, IL.  Should be ALOT
faster & funner now.

Mike Taylor


>----------
>From: NotDads442@aol.com[SMTP:NotDads442@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 1997 7:14 AM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
>
>Mike,
>
>Welcome to the list.  Yes there are a few of us have cars that drive the
>wrong wheels.  Most of us are W41 owners, although I'm sure you're the only
>one with a Pontiac.  As the others have stated please tell us more about what
>you've done to your Quad 4.
>
>There is also a sort of "splinter group" from this list which is made up
>primarily of W41 Calais and Achieva owners.
>
>Cecil Smalley
>1991 W41
>OCA ª29604
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:11:07 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: BUSY WEEKEND

Dustin,

 I'm happy to hear about you and the paint.  How's the upholstery?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama



I made sure I still had air in all 4 tires and
>got back on my way quickly so I wouldnt follow the urge to chase down
>the IDIOT         I'm just glad I didnt have to send the CS back in for
>another paint job!!
>
>Dustin
>

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:23:16 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Quad 4 Trannies

For some reason i am destin to breaking the 5sp in my Calais, just recently
while i was home from school on the weekend, I was out racing with a few 
friends
and went to powershift 3rd let the clutch out and i fell way behind the 89
Formula 350 i am usually ahead of. The shaft that controls the linkage broke in
2 pieces. So i tore the tranny out and put in one of the others i have that
grinds 3rd gear but works...all in 4 hours Sunday morning so i could come back
to school...it was almost fun. anyway i was wondering about the W-41 tranny.
Does anyone know if the new Cavelier z-24 2,4 L tranny will bolt up to the 
older
Q4's. i'm sure they are not built like the w-41 trans, but they do have the 
3.94
gears.


Jeff

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:26:33 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Quad 4 Time slips

Has anyone raced their Quad 4 at teh track recently, my best time this year is 
a
15.23. A friend of mine has a 90 442, with 2.25 exhaust and flowmaster muffler,
with a ram air kit made from a mailbox, using a K&N filter, ran a 14.88 ET. 
that
was impressive i think. no other mods.


Curious

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:48:31 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>>                                        C&M Classic Parts
>>                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
>>                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
>>                                         (757)474-0869 or
>>                                      <chermac@exis.net>
>>Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
>>We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
>>New Parts:
>____________________________________________________________________
>>66 442 Grille w/Bar (nice)  $200.00
>>66 442 W-30 Core Support  (nice) $150.00
>>66 442 LH/RH Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
>>67 442/Cutlass Fenders (no rust)  $550.00 pr
>>67 Cutlass Hood (mint)  $120.00
>>67-69  3 Spd. Auto Console (black, complete, nice)  $175.00
>>69 TH400 (OG Code) HP rebuild  (less than 200 miles) $500.00
>>69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
>>68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $85.00
>>68-72 350 Exhaust Manifolds (nice sets)  $40.00 set
>>68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (front, black)  $20.00 pr
>>68-72 Arm Rest Pad Bases (rear, post coupe, black)  $20.00 pr
>>68 Turn Signal Lens (mint)  $12.00 ea
>>68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
>>68-69 Power Antenna Assm (no switch, has adapter, needs mast)  $35.00
>>68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
>>68-72 2 Door Chassis (coupe, solid)  $300.00 (you arrange shipping or pickup)
>>69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
>>69-70 Console Shift Steering Column (non-tilt)  $100.00
>>64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
>>68-72 LH Convertible Pillar Post Molding (interior side, nice, black)  $35.00
>>68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
>>70-72 Power Lock Solenoids (electric)  $35.00 ea
>>71-72 Power Lock Switches  $12.00 ea
>>70-72 14x7 SSII Wheels (set of 5)  $200.00
>>70-72 455 Engine Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
>>68-72 350 Engine Mount (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
>>64-72 Jetaway/TH350, 4 Spd Muncie Trans Mount (NEW, made in USA)  $14.00
>>67-72 TH400 Trans Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $17.00 ea
>>70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
>>Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
>>
>>New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
>>_______________________________________________
>>66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
>>68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
>>69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
>>70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
>>70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
>>70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S. (2) left) $495.00 ea
>>71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
>>71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
>>71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
>>71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S. (2) left) $400.00 ea
>>71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
>>72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
>>
>>Used Parts
>>_______________________________________________
>>64 Cutlass/442
>>RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
>>Front Bumper Core  $50.00
>>F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
>>
>>65 Cutlass/442
>>65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $10.00 ea
>>65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00
>>65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00
>>
>>66 Cutlass/442
>>66  400/425 "B" dash 1 heads (66 Big Block) Big Valves (bare) $250.00
>>66  Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
>>66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
>>66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $125.00 ea, 220.00 pr
>>66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
>>66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00
>>66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $120.00
>>66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
>>66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (fair cond, small crack)  $15.00
>>66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
>>66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
>>66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
>>66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
>>66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $200.00 set
>>66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>>Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr

>>F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
>>
>>67 Cutlass/442
>>66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
>>67 W-30 Core Support (Factory stamped, bent on drivers side)  $225.00
>>67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
>>67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
>>67 400 442 intake manifolds ª390390  $90.00 ea
>>67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
>>67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
>>67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $55.00
>>66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
>>66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
>>66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
>>66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
>>67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
>>67 442 Grille Bar  (good)  $30.00
>>67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
>>67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
>>67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
>>67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
>>67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $3.00
>>67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (excellent)  $135.00
>>67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
>>67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $200.00
>>
>>68 Cutlass/442
>>68 AM Radio  $25.00
>>68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
>>68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr
>>68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
>>68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
>>68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $135.00
>>68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
>>Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
>>68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
>>68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
>>68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
>>68-72 Cowl mouldings  $35.00 ea
>>68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr
>>
>>69 Cutlass/442
>>69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
>>69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
>>69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $155.00 pr
>>69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $200.00
>>69 Bucket Seats (black)  $50.00 pr
>>69 Headlight Bezels  $60.00 pr
>>69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
>>69 C/S Side Moldings (mint, no pits)  $20.00 ea
>>68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
>>68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
>>68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $135.00
>>69 Cutlass/442 Doors 2 dr Hardtop (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
>>69-72 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
>>69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
>>69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
>>68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
>>68-72 Fastback Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
>>69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
>>69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
>>69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $250.00
>>69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
>>69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
>>69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea
>>
>>70 Cutlass/442
>>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>>70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $100.00 set
>>70 350 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
>>70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
>>70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
>>70 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>>70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $125.00
>>70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
>>70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
>>70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $75.00
>>70-72 Std. Auto Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
>>70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
>>70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
>>70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
>>70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
>>69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
>>69-70 "S" Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
>>69-70 "S" Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr

>>70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
>>70 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
>>70-72 Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea
>>70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
>>70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $200.00
>
>>70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $17.00 ea
>>70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $23.00 ea
>>
>>71 Cutlass/442
>>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>>71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
>>71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $250.00
>>71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
>>71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
>>71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
>>71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
>>71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
>>71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
>>71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
>>71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
>>70-72 C/S LH/RH Side Glass  $25.00 ea
>>71 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>>
>>72 Cutlass/442
>>70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
>>70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
>>71-72 Power Window Switches (nice)  $25.00 (4) button,  $10.00 singles
>>71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
>>71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
>>72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
>>71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
>>72 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
>>
>>We will be at the AACA swapmeet on the 15th of November in Chesapeake VA.
>>
>>****C&M wil be closed from Monday 27 October to 2 November.****
>>
>>* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
>>adjustments on prices without notice.
>>
>>Jim Chermack
>>OCA ª24275
>>
>Jim,

>Have any 1970 Black Vinyl buckets for a 1970 Cutlass, or Rallye 350?
>and,I am interested in that 1970 350 engine. How much horsepower does that
1970 350 Stick engine have? Is it a 4bbl carb engine?
>
Shayne Horn
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:48:41 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>>                                        C&M Classic Parts
>>                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
>>                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
>>                                         (757)474-0869 or
>>                                      <chermac@exis.net>
>>Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
>>We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
>>
>Jim,

>Have any 1970 Black Vinyl buckets for a 1970 Cutlass, or Rallye 350?
>I am interested in that 1970 350 stick engine. Is it a Rocket 350? How much
horsepower does it have? Is it a 4bbl carb engine?

>Shayne Horn
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:48:39 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>>                                        C&M Classic Parts
>>                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
>>                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
>>                                         (757)474-0869 or
>>                                      <chermac@exis.net>
>>Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
>>We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
>>
>Jim,

>Have any 1970 Black Vinyl buckets for a 1970 Cutlass, or Rallye 350?
>I am interested in that 1970 350 stick engine. Is it a Rocket 350? How much
horsepower does it have? Is it a 4bbl carb engine?

>Shayne Horn
>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 07:10:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Davy Borghys <toronado@rocketmail.com>
Subject: '66 Toro - what's it worth?

Hello,

as a Caddy freak I'm new to this thing, but since I
saw a '66 Toro for sale here in Belgium, I kinda fell
in love with this black beast and would like to know
more about its current value.

Haven't had the opportunity to properly check it, but
it seems a C or condition ª3 car, but anyway if
someone could provide me with the prices on this car
in both good and bad (and ugly) condition, I would be
most grateful.

In the "Oldsmobile Buyers Guide" by Richard M.
Langworth I read that '66 Toronado's are a five-star
investment and that originals for under 10 K are a
steal (back in '87) and that it should be climbing up
to 25K the next ten years (that should be about now).
Browsing the ads, I find most cars of that models for
between 4K and 8K $.
Have these cars depreciated in value, have people
lost interest or were those just bad examples?

Thanks for helping out a rookie.

Sincerely,

Davy, Belgium
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 10:57:32 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: What to do?

Rich Meyers wrote:

I want to start upgrades...  ...like to put a larger engine in this car,
but since I'm moving to Washington state I don't know if this will be
possible.  Did Olds make an engine bigger than the 307 during '84-present.

..One idea that crossed my mind is putting an Olds 350 in it and just
not telling anyone.  Everything is esentially the same between the two
motors, but I don't know if the emissions testers could tell the
difference.

     That would be my choice.  In my experience with smog testing in
     California, the test facility workers don't check engine ID numbers
     unless you point out that it is an engine swap or unless the engine is
     obviously not original (455 in a VW, for example).

     You are correct that all small block Olds motors are externally
     identical, so why stop at a 350 - go for a 403!  I've talked to others
     who have done this swap and the stock carb and computer will work with
     the larger engine.  Just paint it GM corporate blue.  I'd go so far as
     to keep the stock air cleaner and plumbing (at least for the smog
     checks - you can always put the chrome air cleaner on when you get
     home) to avoid calling attention to the motor.  If you plan to run an
     aftermarket intake, I'd recommend grinding off the company's name,
     sandblast the area to bring back the cast aluminum look, and paint it
     to match the engine.  It doesn't look as cool, but it also doesn't
     invite further investigation at smog check time.  While I'm a big
     header fan, in this case I might suggest running stock manifolds (find
     the freest-flowing stockers which will fit your car), again to avoid
     attracting attention to the engine swap.  Think stealth.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 97 11:08:30 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: What to do?

Mark Krajewski wrote:

if you don't mind having the check engine light on all the time get rid of
your computer controled Quadrajet carb and the distrubutor and put on a
mechanical quadrajet and a mechanical vacum advance distrubutor HEI of
course...

     Sorry, but I don't get it.  The computer only controls the primary
     circuit, so it shouldn't make a difference at W.O.T. - the secondaries
     _are_ "mechanical".  The original post asked for help modifying a car
     which had to pass smog testing.  Trashing the OEM carb, distributor,
     and computer will probably cause a slight problem.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:27:40 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Dr. Bob's signature

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >> 1978 Electra Limited  409/TH400
> >                        ^^^
> >
> >I know you meant 403, but you'll give someone the wrong idea. :)
>
> No, I actually meant 409, which is what an Olds 403 small-block measures
> when it's bored over +.030". So, when I refer to the Olds engine in my
> Buick, and someone says "Oh, you've got a Chevy motor in that?", I can say
> "you mean Chevy made an engine that size as well?"
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Robert, maybe you could use 403+6 to avoid confusion.  But someone might
think it is a 440 6-pack destroked, sleeved or whatever.

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:29:27 -0600
From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Subject: RE: FOR SALE: 66 98 Luxury Sedan

hi. do you still have this car? if so, where is it at?
thanks
Dan Dale

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 22:24:21 -0500
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Mike,

I don't have the part ª for the clutch, sorry.  The FWD discussions on
the list aren't too often, but without the list I would never have found
the 6 or so Quad 4 & W-41 owners out there.  I have been trying to get a
hold of Mantapart this week without any luck too.

I'm trying to find some descent shocks and struts, but I think the
Koni's would be too stiff.

Jeff.

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 11:48:50 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 crank

No Glenn it wasn't a typo. Hate to do it but if it gives as much of a
performance gain as I have heard then I think I can live with having a few
Chevrolet parts here and there.

On Tue, 28 Oct 1997, Glenn Connors wrote:

> At 05:20 PM 10/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Has anyone ever heard of grinding a 455 crank down and using big block
> >Chevrolet rods? From what I hear you can get a little over 500 cid from
> >doing this. Also does anyone know the limit on boring a 455? I think I
> >found a couple more ways to put me into 800hp naturally just wanting to
> >run them by you guys and get your input.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Ben
> >
> >
>
>    Your going to do WHAT???     Typo maybe!!
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 08:58:40 PST
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???

>needs to be liquidated.  One of the cars in there (I think is
available)
>early 60's (the first ones made) Pontiac Tempest.  This is the one with
>the tranny in the rear.  Mostly complete, but had a dash fire.  Didn't
>look too bad in there, though.  This thing has a ~slant~ 4, but a 389
is
>supposed to have been offered in it...  Very rare car, I hear.  Might
be
>gotten for cheap?  Anyone interested?

Charlie,

The Tempest you are referring to is of the type that was made between
'61 and '63. It is not a particularly rare car. The engine that is in it
is literally half of a 389. The 215 V8 was available in the '61 and
'62's, while the Pontiac 326 (predecessor of the 350) was an option in
'63. The 389 was not available.

My dad had a '63 Tempest Lemans convertible in '66.  He dropped a 389 in
it and said he spent the next year and a half replacing transmission
after transmission. 'Said it would fly though.

Interesting Note: Pontiac did make 8 '63 Tempests with aluminum front
ends and 421 Super Duty engines. I'm pretty sure they had regular 4
speeds with normal rears though.


Brent Pinkstaff
'70 Cutlass S
'70 Lemans Sport 2dr Post (w/the transmission attached to the engine)

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:15:43 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Scanners and Computer digital cameras

This is kinda Olds related in that I want to be able to put shots of my
cars in the computer.  I have no idea what to look for when shopping for
a scanner and/or camera.  Any suggestions/experiences/constructive
comments would be appreciated.  I mainly want to scan pictures and text
for the net and for usage in my daughters' future college classes.  It
would be nice if I could use it to scan documents related to my
accounting practice also.  I don't know how relevant it is, but I am
using an IBM 166mhz, 16M RAM, 28K modem utilizing Windows 95.  I've been
"window shopping" (no pun intended) scanners, but have no idea what
brands/models are junk and which aren't.  Some had 24 bit, some 30 bit.
I do think it would be a good idea to get a legal sized scanner as
opposed to a letter sized one for flexiblity.  Thank you for any
assistance.  If you prefer, you can email me privately.

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:23:35 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: '66 Toro - what's it worth?

This shows the foolishness of 1) relying on "expert"
views of what these cars might be worth in the future, and
2) buying these cars for investment reasons.

In my view, anyone contemplating buying an old
car should do so for the pleasure of driving and
working on the car, not for any possible gain on
their investment.  Historically, non-productive
assets (gold, most artwork, cars, etc) have not been
good investments over long periods of time,
especially when compared to productive investments,
such as equity or even debt.  Their short term returns
are problematic too and even more speculative.


>In the "Oldsmobile Buyers Guide" by Richard M.
>Langworth I read that '66 Toronado's are a five-star
>investment and that originals for under 10 K are a
>steal (back in '87) and that it should be climbing up
>to 25K the next ten years (that should be about now).
>Browsing the ads, I find most cars of that models for
>between 4K and 8K $.
>Have these cars depreciated in value, have people
>lost interest or were those just bad examples?

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:35:42 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Tire rod disaster

My tire rod fell out when I was driving last weekend. Luckily I was able
to park the car and call a towtruck easily. I was wondering what could
have caused this to happen and what I should expect to pay to have it
fixed. Thank you.


Patrick
'68 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 12:36:05 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Weekend sights, interesting F/S???

I had a couple of those Tempest you spoke of.  Both had the weird slant 4.
A '61 and a '62 model.  The '61 was a good all around car.  Plenty of power
to get you where you were going.  The '62 was a LeMans with 4 bbl carb and
4 speed transaxle.  Handling was really bad as the rear ends would fold up
under the car when you went around a sharp curve just like the Corvair!
Not one of GM's better ideas...

Just a message from Doug
http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton

At 08:58 AM 10/29/97 PST, you wrote:
>>needs to be liquidated.  One of the cars in there (I think is
>available)
>>early 60's (the first ones made) Pontiac Tempest.  This is the one with
>>the tranny in the rear.  Mostly complete, but had a dash fire.  Didn't
>>look too bad in there, though.  This thing has a ~slant~ 4, but a 389
>is
>>supposed to have been offered in it...  Very rare car, I hear.  Might
>be
>>gotten for cheap?  Anyone interested?
>
>Charlie,
>
>The Tempest you are referring to is of the type that was made between
>'61 and '63. It is not a particularly rare car. The engine that is in it
>is literally half of a 389. The 215 V8 was available in the '61 and
>'62's, while the Pontiac 326 (predecessor of the 350) was an option in
>'63. The 389 was not available.
>
>My dad had a '63 Tempest Lemans convertible in '66.  He dropped a 389 in
>it and said he spent the next year and a half replacing transmission
>after transmission. 'Said it would fly though.
>
>Interesting Note: Pontiac did make 8 '63 Tempests with aluminum front
>ends and 421 Super Duty engines. I'm pretty sure they had regular 4
>speeds with normal rears though.
>
>
>Brent Pinkstaff
>'70 Cutlass S
>'70 Lemans Sport 2dr Post (w/the transmission attached to the engine)
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>

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