
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 28 1997      Volume 01 : Number 926



'65 400 Engine
'65 400 Engine
Re: Engine Kits
HEI again
Grill
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
455 crank
W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Carbs and kickdowns, help!
BUSY WEEKEND
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
'77-'79 Delta coupes in Lansing
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
Re: When was your W-30 built ?
Re: '65 400 Engine
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
Re: PAW 403
Re: Votes Needed
Re: Engine Kits
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
Re: Votes Needed
Question for W30442CS@AOL.COM
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
oldsmobile-digest V1 #925
Re: '65 400 Engine
Re: '77-'79 Delta coupes in Lansing
Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Re: JWO ads: W25 pins, tetc.
Re: Engine Kits
Re:Votes
more stupid  questions
My Merry Oldsmobile
A's on heads
TX '68
Re: What does EGR do?
Build Dates
Re: Votes Needed
Re: 455 crank
Re: 7a vs 7A heads
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Got my Vote!!!!!
[Fwd: 1969 Cutlass]
Re: Engine Kits
'69 Cutlass Grille
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Re: Take me off
Re: What is this yellow paper I found?
Re: Votes Needed
wiper knob
Re: Nagging Noise!
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
Re: Lockup Torque Convertor
OCA Web Site minor updates
Please respond
Re: New Carpet for D-88
Online Musclecar Price Guide
Re: JEGS service and 3.73:1
Dr. Bob's signature
RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas
Re: '69 Cutlass Grille
Toodles for a while.
Re: BUSY WEEKEND
ss1's for sale

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:45:08 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '65 400 Engine

A '67 Cutlass convert I just bought came with a complete rebuilt engine ready
to install. This is the 'B' block with 'A' heads. Forged crank, new pistons,
heads, etc...
Since I won't be using it( I have the correct 'E' block motor ready and
waiting ) if anybody on the list knows of some '65 442 owner looking for the
right motor, I can help.

CoupeKing@aol.com
Peter 310.519.7554

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:46:34 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '65 400 Engine

A '67 Cutlass convert I just bought came with a complete rebuilt engine ready
to install. This is the 'B' block with 'A' heads. Forged crank, new pistons,
heads, etc...
Since I won't be using it( I have the correct 'E' block motor ready and
waiting ) if anybody on the list knows of some '65 442 owner looking for the
right motor, I can help.

CoupeKing@aol.com
Peter 310.519.7554

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:00:22 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Kits

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 27, 1997 3:37 PM
Subject: Engine Kits


>Does anyone know of a place that sells engine overhaul kits for Olds at a
>reasonable price? I just got a price of $326 for everything except the cam
>and lifters. This kit includes timing set, pistons & rings, rod/main/cam
>bearings, oil pump, frost plugs and gskt set.
>
http://www.p-s-t.com/eohk.html

I bought suspension parts from them and was satisfied with their service.
(had one part on back order and kept me notified as to when I would get it).
They probable have the most complete engine kits I've ever seen and at a
price other places charge for less complete kits.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 16:03:08 -0600
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: HEI again

Hate to make you revise the FAQ again, but I pulled a HEI from
a 1980 Delta 88 in Beloit last month that has a 5 pin HEI module.
- ----------
More stuff! I'm glad this came up because with this new info, the HEI 
section is better and better!
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.0 at:
http://www.442.com (soon)  OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
  http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:00:22 -0500 (EST)
From: ted rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: Grill

Looking for the left side of a 75 olds SE grill

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:55:52 -0800
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

Jeff Easton asks:

> My question is why measure for DC resistance between one lead of the
> secondary and a lead of the primary anyway?  Shouldnt this always
> be infinte?

It would for what you might think of as a regular transformer but the 
coil is an "autotransformer" -- no pun intended.  It's like a transformer 
with a centertap and no secondary.  The "primary" would be from the 
centertap to one side.  The "secondary" across both sides like so:

                     Secondary -> ----)
                     |                )
                     |                )
                     |    Primary ----)
                     |       |        )
                     |       |        )
                     |-->    |--> ----)

So the primary and the seconday windings aren't electrically isolated 
from each other.  Mud?

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:20:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: 455 crank

Has anyone ever heard of grinding a 455 crank down and using big block
Chevrolet rods? From what I hear you can get a little over 500 cid from
doing this. Also does anyone know the limit on boring a 455? I think I
found a couple more ways to put me into 800hp naturally just wanting to
run them by you guys and get your input.

Thanks,
Ben

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:04:51 -0600
From: Mike Taylor <MTaylor@msi-us.com>
Subject: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Hi!

I am new to the list as of today so haven't seen to much of the
subjects, etc covered.  I hope question about late model
Oldsmobiles/parts are OK.

I am looking for suggestions as to the best clutch disk to use in a W-41
Quad 4.  I have a 1988 Pontiac Grand Am with drivetrain transplanted
from an Achieva SCX.  The engine has been worked over to put out about
220 HP.  I autocross the car and am looking for suggestions as to which
clutch disk to use that can stand up to the abuse.  

Any part numbers, etc would be helpful.

Thanks in advance!

Mike Taylor
mtaylor@msi-us.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:19:18 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

>I am looking for suggestions as to the best clutch disk to use in a W-41

>Quad 4.  I have a 1988 Pontiac Grand Am with drivetrain transplanted

>from an Achieva SCX.  The engine has been worked over to put out about

>220 HP.  I autocross the car and am looking for suggestions as to which

>clutch disk to use that can stand up to the abuse.  


Hi


Sounds like a great combination there, i bet that is a really fun car to drive. 

i have used CenterForce Clutches in my 88 Calais and it lasted a few months...

another friend of mine had a centerforce never beat the car, until one day about 1000 mi after installation and it blew into  many many pieces. i  have consulted Mantapart Performance, co which specializes in Q4 setups, and they recommend the Heavy duty Clutch from Gm for the HO. that's my advice also.


Tell us more

Jeff

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentlemen  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:24:26 -0500 (EST)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Carbs and kickdowns, help!

  Hi all, If anyone followed the HP of a '70 350 thread, you might have
noticed that I also am doing the same, but I have one problem i need to
figure out before i drop the engine in in a few days, the carb on the
engine is a carter AFB 625 cfm, and the tranny i'm using is out of a 72
cutlass, a turbo 350, the thing i'm hung up on is how to hookup the
kickdown cable into this carb. are there any kits or is it possible without
modification, or even a way around it, any help will be very much
appreciated
Josh
  

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__             
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 17:08:39 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: BUSY WEEKEND

I made my "impossible" trip last Thurs and picked up my '89 Cutlass 
Supreme.  Since I had seen it last it gained a new tranny and new paint 
(looks pretty good)  After settling the $2900 tab on the car, I headed 
out on the highway thrilled to be driving something besides my 3/4 ton 
Ch*v   in no time at all the digital speedo said 90, I looked around 
"gosh this doesnt seem like 90mph"   shortly after that I noticed the 
dash was switched to KILOMETERS!  switched it to MPH and got it up to 75 
    the dotted lines seemed to be ~really~ close together, I slowed down 
to 60 and clocked it off a couple milemarkers   hmmm... mile every 40 
seconds!!   took it back to the tranny shop Fri and picked it up AGAIN 
on Sat  all seems to be fine

Sat I worked on my sisters '89 CS    it has been sputtering and stalling 
often and finally died completely  awhile back   it would crank, but not 
run    after checking the fuel pump, and making sure there was spark, I 
supected the computer   pulled the one out of my car put into hers  it 
would crank, but still wouldnt start    I almost quit after that, but 
then thought to put her computer into my car   mine then sputtered and 
coughed just like hers had    so... later this week I'll start searching 
for another computer for it      since my comuter was out, I slipped in 
the new chip    I hadnt had a chance to time its stock 1/4 mile  and 
0-60, so I'll do that later...   chip made a noticeable improvement 
(mostly at 60-110)   mileage improved!!  I got 33mpg on my trip home, 
about a 4 mpg improvement, but I'll keep tracking that in case it was a 
fluke.

on the trip home late last night I came very close to being in a wreck  
 I was going through Great Falls (Mt.)   road was two lanes (each way) 
and there was a turning lane in the center  it was a 45mph zone  
anyway...  I was going about 50 in the right hand lane   there was a 
pickup pulling a long camper trailer in front of me   and a car slightly 
behind me in the left lane    I noticed the pickup trailer was going 
slow, so I changed into the left lane   as I was still changing lanes 
the IDIOT in the pickup slammed on his brakes and turned left heading 
for another street    I had no time to brake and no room to go to the 
right, so I swerved left going across the turning and oncoming lanes 
(tires squeeling) I ended up on the opposite shoulder just missing the 
nose of the D*dge pu w/trailer before I got stopped    the pickup kept 
going like nothing happend   I got out and turned around to see the 
driver of the other car standing in the middle of the road yelling lots 
of colorful language and lots of creative threats after the oblivious 
IDIOT in the pickup    I made sure I still had air in all 4 tires and 
got back on my way quickly so I wouldnt follow the urge to chase down 
the IDIOT         I'm just glad I didnt have to send the CS back in for 
another paint job!!

Dustin

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:35:14 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

Matt Cremean wrote:

> I recognize some of the
> numbers. Could you help me fill some in?:
 
> PLT. OPT. 16:
> A01: ????????

Soft-Ray Tinted Windows

> 5:
> C60: ???????

Four-Season Air Conditioner

> U58: ?????????

AM/FM Stereophonic Pushbutton Radio (4-speakers)

> 13:
> B30: ?????????

Nylon-Blend Loop-Pile Floor Carpeting

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:52:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '77-'79 Delta coupes in Lansing

For those of you who were at the Lansing anniversary, you might remember 
a pair of '77-'79 Delta 88 coupes parked side-by-side in the park across 
the river from the swap meet. One was a pale green metallic, the other 
(if memory serves) was blue. They were both gorgeous. Any chance either 
of those car's owners is on the list, or known to anyone here?

BTW, these were not the pair of coupes shown in the same lot by a couple 
from New York that I met. But theirs were neat too, one black car, one 
white, mostly dechromed, 403s, buckets, etc. Not quite my kind of car -- 
I like the original ones like the aforementioned pair -- but nice in 
their own way.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:57:24 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> > PLT. OPT. 16:
> > A01: ????????
[snip] 

Okay, thanks Paul, I remembered the Option Codes page on the FAQ and
used that shorlty after I sent this mail. So what do I "formaly" call
this piece of paper?

> When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?
If you were in space and opened a jar to collect some "nothing", what
would happen when it got back to Earth?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:51:46  -0500
From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Subject: Re: When was your W-30 built ?

> 
> 
> I thought it would be interesting to see the build dates of list members' 
> '70 W-30's.  Did they build the W-30 steadily throughout the year ?
>      
>      10E - Oct 69, fifth week
>      
>     
Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:29:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 400 Engine

how much, i got a 307y motor that's heading downhill and i'm looking for
something with a little more pick-up. appreciate any reply . thanks, George
Geo679

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:46:37 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>

>So what do I "formaly" call
>this piece of paper?

Build sheet

> When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?
>If you were in space and opened a jar to collect some "nothing", what
>would happen when it got back to Earth?

You'd have a jar of vacuum if it didn't implode.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:41:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: PAW 403

does the paw catalog have very many other oldsmobile parts in it?  i am going
to order one some day soon.  i was just wondering if they have any 403 olds
parts.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 18:58:39 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this
> on-line car show and again I need your help.
> for those who voted in the weekly contest, you can vote agaon for the
> Monthly.
> A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far. With only a couple of days
> of voting left, I need to catch up fast.
> http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/
> Thanks in Advance.

looks like you did more than just catch up!!!   well deserved though

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:58:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine Kits

from all the places i have delt with i haven't come across anybody that sells
a complete engine kit.  jeggs and summit sell most the parts for pretty
cheap.  they sell everything but pistons, unless you own a 455.  you might
want to visit their web page and see about the free catalogs.  the easiest
thing to do is to buy all the parts seperately and then you will have only
the parts you want.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:09:23 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> >If you were in space and opened a jar to collect some "nothing", what
> >would happen when it got back to Earth?
> 
> You'd have a jar of vacuum if it didn't implode.

Okay, to be completely naive and anal, wouldn't the jar be filled with air
when you brought it up to space?  If you opened it and the jar filled with
vacuum, where would the air go? 
_______________________________

Jason (who has never taken a Physics class in his life) K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:24:15 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
>> A 93 "Rustang Cobra" is ahead of me so far. With only a couple of days
>> of voting left, I need to catch up fast.
>> http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/
>> Thanks in Advance.
>
>looks like you did more than just catch up!!!   well deserved though

Yah you've pretty much blown that mustang away now 20.6% to the 'stangs
8.8%. This afternoon you were about 5% behind.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 20:05:04 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Question for W30442CS@AOL.COM

Hey Steven, I sent you an email about a week ago about me receiving the pictures and what you are asking for the 69 Cutlass parts.  Did you get it?

I now return you to your normally scheduled email list.

Chris Smetana
chris@abcs.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 20:24:13 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

> > When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?
> If you were in space and opened a jar to collect some "nothing", what
> would happen when it got back to Earth?

Alllrighty then.
How about....
Why do we drive in a parkway and park in a driveway?

Why does sour cream have an expiration date?

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Date: 27 Oct 1997 18:59:30 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #925

OL>Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 11:04:51 -0500
OL>From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
OL>Subject: Re: PAW 403

OL>>            Has anybody had experience with PAW's engine block kits?  I
OL>>have looked at the prices of these kits and what they include and they
OL>>sound like a good bargain for how much work the PAW machine shop puts
OL>>into them.  A short block 403 with forged pistions costs $1360 from PAW.

OL>For a fully-machined block with bearings, new rod bolts, rings and pistons
OL>already hung on the rods? (I'm assuming you need to assemble these...)
OL>That's a very good price; those will be the TRW pistons that all the kits
OL>have. Just for comparison, a rebuild kit with those pistons costs around
OL>$600 by itself. Now, if you could just get them to ship you a solid-main
OL>web block... :)

Yes, it is a good deal.  Plus the whole reciprocating assembly is
electronically balanced.

OL>> I would get the short block, then find a set of 5, 6, or 7 heads, drill
OL>>them for AIR injection, and use this as a street motor in my '78 Delta
OL>>88.

OL>That would be an excellent idea. Another reason to go for the '72 "7a"
OL>heads, in addition to the hardened valve seats, is the larger exhaust
OL>valves (1.62", vs. the earlier 1.5" valves).
OL>Did the '78 Olds motors have the AIR bosses drilled? I thought only the
OL>early cars used the smog-pumps. Oh, well; live, learn.

Yup, only on CA cars though (like mine).  I even got the CA emissions
system memorized, right now it is 49 state configuration, I broke a T
connection and haven't had time to put it back on (already bought a
replacment.)

There is a place around here that will rebuild a set of heads for
$100/pair.  I'll find out how reliable he is, perhaps find me some heads
and have them worked on.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:58:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 400 Engine

Keep the 307Y but get rid of the carb and distributer and put mechanical ones
on you should really feel the power of the 307 then my 307y out of my 83
cutlass supreme brohagm i had my heads shaved i put a accel coil and gapedteh
plugs at .060. After tahn i peal of the line and kill rustangs 5.slows

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:07:05 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '77-'79 Delta coupes in Lansing

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> For those of you who were at the Lansing anniversary, you might remember
> a pair of '77-'79 Delta 88 coupes parked side-by-side in the park across
> the river from the swap meet. One was a pale green metallic, the other
> (if memory serves) was blue. They were both gorgeous. 

Hey, Greg

Did you see the sharp lookin' '78 Royale coupe that parked along the
river the first day (right at the bridge) and up-town (it was a parade
car) the rest of the time?  Was white with a white vinyl top and red
vinyl interior, red stripes, wire caps, pretty many options.  I think it
was my favorite of the show week.  Couldn't take my eyes off of it that
first day.  Just sat at a picnic table and stared.  It sure was a pretty
car.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:16:56 -0500
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Mike,

Tell us where you found the drivetrain and how you got it up to 220HP.

Jeff Antonucci - '91 Quad 442 W-41

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:37:30 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: JWO ads: W25 pins, tetc.

>Found these inthe 11/97 JWO:
>
>68-72 Cutlass front sway bars $10 each. Paul 847.658.2149, IL
>
>Original Ram-Rod W31 heads, fully ported, $250, Jeff, 910.643.3044, NC
>
>W25 hood locks, both for $6 [where's that guy a-lookin' fer these?]
>810.227.3086, MI
>
>81-88 H/O NOS hood scoop w/ mldgs $150, sans mldgs $65. Rear spoiler with above
>scoop w/ mldgs $600. Also new radiators f/sale. A1 Auto Parts. Lansing MI
>   517.322.2288
>
>--
>Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>

Where can I get a hold of these guys to inquire about those hood locks? I
want them.

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 97 23:18:53 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Engine Kits

<snip>
If your not aware of it already "Northern Auto Parts Warehouse" has a web 
address. Its at www.naparts.com. Any ideas would be appreciated
     
Gary Harrod
     
     Gary,
     
     I'm not sure if you are asking about Northern Auto Parts Warehouse or 
     looking for an alternative, but while I have no direct experience with 
     NAP, a good friend of mine uses them exclusively for his Pontiac and 
     Chevy motor parts and recommends them highly.  
     
     I _can_ speak with first-hand knowledge about PAW.  I bought a 
     complete 455 kit from them (block, crank, heads, forged pistons, 
     balanced, etc) and had mixed results.  Fortunately, I lived in SoCal 
     at the time and was able to drive there to pick up the kit.  I also 
     was able to drive back to return the kit when the crank was found to 
     be nicked.  Got a new kit and put it together, but the cheezy 
     composition head gaskets actually blew out at motor startup (coolant 
     shot from the front of the motor).  I replaced the gaskets with 
     Fel-Pro and had no further problems.  
     
     One other thing to note (this was when I was young and stupid, and 
     didn't notice until too late) was that the kit came with two different 
     letter heads!  (Neither was particularly desirable, and both had light 
     porting and new valves).  This motor subsequently powered a 71 Cutlass 
     to 11.95 @ 115.5 mph on nitrous.
     
     The other problem with PAW kits is the complete lack of hardware and 
     small parts.  Unless you are starting with another motor from which 
     you can rob all the fasteners and secondary parts (like the front 
     cover, the special double-ended water pump studs, and other items), 
     you'll be spending time scrounging.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 21:30:50 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re:Votes

Wow, I just voted and the 69 Cutlass S has 20%  vs. 8 for the 93 Stang

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 20:46:28 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: more stupid  questions

do infants have as much fun in their infancy as adults do in adultery?

How come superman could stop bullets with his chest, but always ducked when someone 
threw a gun at him?

why doesnt glue stick to the inside of the bottle?

why are there locks on the doors of 24 hour conveinience stores?

if a man says something in a forest and there arent any women around to hear it  is he 
still wrong?

chris smetana wrote:
> 
> > > When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?
> > If you were in space and opened a jar to collect some "nothing", what
> > would happen when it got back to Earth?
> 
> Alllrighty then.
> How about....
> Why do we drive in a parkway and park in a driveway?
> 
> Why does sour cream have an expiration date?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:50:41 -0500
From: "Bart Erickson" <housejeanie@erols.com>
Subject: My Merry Oldsmobile

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miles!  The car is a creampuff!  A small rust spot, which I'm going to have
fixed and a broken dashboard knob for the washer blades.  Does anyone have
any ideas where to get a repacement dashboard knob?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:53:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: A's on heads

This is the only place this distinction applies, since there were no
big-block heads with the "A" following the letter in full-size (ignore
those "CA" heads, where both letter castings are apparently smaller; what
application were those for, anyway? Were they hardened seat?), and only the
"7" small-block heads received the smaller "A" to designate hardened
exhaust seats, so it's only the "7A" and "7a" heads that can be confused.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry            MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
=================

Mondello's Tech manual says that Da's exist as well. Rare as D's are, I can
only say, "if you say so."

Have we forgotten the Ga's of 1972, Doctor Bob, and what about the Ka's on my
425^H^H55 as seen on www.442.com?

Sadly, I have never had close acquaintance with Ca's, dunno what is their deal.
Cast by another division other than CFD 'cause they ran short? Saw one set on a
boneyard car in Sacramento, CA yrs ago, one head on a car in Traverse City MI.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:55:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: TX '68

Also a 68 442 setting in
tall grass beside a small tranny shop. Faded grey with red stripe.
Clarence
86 Cutlass  4dr 307 o/d
San Antonio
====================

Clarence- CHECK OUT that '68. The fender stripe was on the W30's, I think.
Probably an option on lesser models as well. Look for 2-snorkel air cleaner,
red inner fender wells, scoops under the bumpers, etc. D heads if by some far
chance the originals are still there.


- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 22:58:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

Clayton,  why don't you just get a piece of 1/8 in. metal sheet and cut one
yourself.  I did this to my Ch*vy and picked up some throttle response and 2
mpg.  Easy!

In a message dated 97-10-26 04:30:10 EST, you write:

> While this thread is going... I might as well ask, does anybody know of a
>  source (besides a mig welder) (besides JEGS) for an EGR block-off plate?
>  
>  Thanks, 
>  Clayton Pierce
>  zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:45:01 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Build Dates

With all these posts recently on the build dates of older cars, I was
wondering where you find them on newer ones.  There is no body plate or
cowl tag on the newer Oldses (specifically a 1984 G-Body) is there?  My
door jamb sticker is long gone and the under-hood sticker on the fan shroud
is berely readable anymore, although I doubt if the build date would be on
~there~.  I can't find the date on the trunk sticker or my window sticker. 
Surely, it'd be on my build sheet; if I could only find it... :-)
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 15:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

vote for what?

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 19:49:23 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 455 crank

- -----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>


>Has anyone ever heard of grinding a 455 crank down and using big block
>Chevrolet rods? From what I hear you can get a little over 500 cid from
>doing this.

Nope but I've heard of offset grinding a 455 crank then use BB Buick rods
and custom pistons for 510(?) Olds.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 12:50:25 PST
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 7a vs 7A heads

>> Wait! The older ones ARE capital "A"'s; it's just that they are 
smaller
>> than, and not immediately adjacent to, the casting number or letter.
>
>Yes, I was just referring to the fact the the older ones had the letter
>smaller and down and away, where as the small block heads had the "A" 
the
>same size as the number and placed next to it.  My apologies for the
>confusion.  Man, this IS confusing!



Look, if this 7A stuuf is so bad, just refer to the smaller, puny ones 
like on my car as late model 7A's....Easy enough...or just caal them 
7Na's because they suck anyway...but I'm not bitter....

John

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:57:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

Doug, the convertor should be locking in third gear.  You should probably
check the lock up solenoid.  You can disable lock up by installing a switch
in the lock up circuit.  Jegs and Summit have these kits.

In a message dated 97-10-27 02:36:55 EST, you write:

> I have an '84 Cutlass Supreme with a V6. It has the THM-250 transmission.
>  It likes to lockup far too soon after it warms up.  I drive this car on a
>  mail route and it is getting to be a real pain when it does this.  Is
there
>  an easy cure, or a way to disable the LTC altogether?  Thanks...
>  
>  Just a message from Doug
>  http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)  

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 00:33:59 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Got my Vote!!!!!

Good Luck Mike,you got my vote....Larry Polesnak
                               6  2  S  T  A  R  F  I  R  E

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 01:09:24 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 1969 Cutlass]

Hi Everyone,this car just came on the market..I don't know anything 
about this car. This car is a friend of a friends..If you want a picture
of this car please email my friend at  wolfie@sgi.net    
                                   Larry Polesnak
        6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 06:31:41 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Engine Kits

>Does anyone know of a place that sells engine overhaul kits for Olds at a
>reasonable price? I just got a price of $326 for everything except the cam
>and lifters. This kit includes timing set, pistons & rings, rod/main/cam
>bearings, oil pump, frost plugs and gskt set.

OK, I know I sound like a broken record, but the value I got for the money I
spent on the kit from PST (Kanter's has the same kit for the same price; I
believe they use the same source) was very good, IMHO. For $119 more than
the above NAP kit price, you also get the cam, lifters, pushrods, rockers,
and new valvesprings and locks. Plus the valley pan gasket. PST also lists
performance upgrades for reasonable prices. I got an entire rebuild kit,
including forged pistons, HV oil pump and a performance cam for around $600.

>This is not to bad of price I guess, and its all name brand stuff. But what
>gets me is they sell this same kit plus the cam and lifters for a Chevy 350
>at a price of $154.95. I know that there are more 350 Chevy's out here then
>anything else,but still give me a break. Thats more than twice as much for
>an Olds motor.

Well, of course; the Olds is twice the engine! ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 23:59:10 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: '69 Cutlass Grille

Does anyone know of a source for a RH grille for a '69 Cutlass "S"?

I would consider a good used one as I have to clean up the rest of the
front end plastic anyways.

BTW, why is there such a shortage of '69 parts?  Almost every catalog seems
to skip from '68 to 70 (except for a few repro 442 grilles).

Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 02:42:16 -0500
From: "G. Douglas Burton" <postman@writeme.com>
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

Ok, the LTC does lockup in third, but way too early.  I have a 4 hour mail
route and it usually starts locking up early after about one hour on the
route.  Normal speed for lockup is 40 MPH, but once it starts acting up, it
will usually start locking up as soon as it shifts into third, about 20 MPH
(this is normal acceleration, under hard acceleration, it will not lock up
until I let off the gas and let the transmission shift into third).
Pushing harder on the gas makes it shift back down into second and unlock,
but as soon as it shifts back up into third, it locks back up. Both
Chilton's and Haynes say this can be caused by a faulty valve in the
transmission, so I guess my question now is will the switch in the lockup
circuit prevent it from locking up even if there is a faulty valve?  I had
another Cutlass (same year) before with the identical engine and tranny.
When I got it, the speedometer was broken (bad cable end) and the LTC would
not lockup at all due to no reading from the speed sensor.  As soon as I
fixed the speedo, it started locking up at 40 MPH as it was supposed to.
Obviously with my current situation, disabling the speed sensor would not
have any effect being as it locks up early, would it?  

Thanks for all your help...

Just a message from Doug
http://www.seidata.com/~gdburton

At 11:57 PM 10/27/97 -0500, Paul Pate wrote:
>Doug, the convertor should be locking in third gear.  You should probably
>check the lock up solenoid.  You can disable lock up by installing a switch
>in the lock up circuit.  Jegs and Summit have these kits.
>
>Paul Pate
>Mechanical Design Engineer
>Port Neches, Texas
>70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
>84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)  
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:21:30 -0500 (EST)
From: CTEman@aol.com
Subject: Re: Take me off

please take me off email list immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:56:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: What is this yellow paper I found?

In a message dated 97-10-27 21:36:15 EST, you write:

<< Okay, to be completely naive and anal, wouldn't the jar be filled with air
 when you brought it up to space?  If you opened it and the jar filled with
 vacuum, where would the air go? 
 ____________________________ >>

JUST REMEMBER......if you took the air from a polluted city and then turned
it loose it wouldn't make the "vacuum cleaner"...(not even gonna sign)

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:45:02 -0600
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Votes Needed

> My Cutlass is currently in second place for the monthly prizes in this
> on-line car show and again I need your help.


Nice car, and you got my vote.

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 05:00:41 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: wiper knob

Bart Erickson wrote:
> 
> I was just given a 1968 Olds Cutlas Supreme, 4-door with 26,700 original
> miles!  The car is a creampuff!  A small rust spot, which I'm going to have
> fixed and a broken dashboard knob for the washer blades.  Does anyone have
> any ideas where to get a repacement dashboard knob?

I'd be interested in a wiper knob too, noticed my '68 was missing its last weekend... 
not sure when or why it disapeared

Dustin

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:44:49 -0500
From: Tim Wanamaker <twanamaker@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Nagging Noise!

fortunately for me, "rodless", i'm not married!  if you don't have any ideas
on the problem, then stop wasting space on this digest

Rod Beydler wrote:

> Leave your wife home next time.
>
> ----------
> > From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
> > To: oldsmo <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Subject: Nagging Noise!
> > Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 12:21 PM
> >
> > My '72 442 makes a sort of "rotating/rattling" noise starting at about
> > 50mph and goes away at, maybe, 70mph.  it gets pretty loud, too, but you
> > don't hear it from outside of the car.  the sound appears to be coming
> > from near the transmission (turbo 400), but we all know how sound can
> > travel.  when i'm driving at 50mph, i shift the car into neutral and the
> > noise disappears, but, while still in neutral, i'll rev the engine to
> > about the same rpm where the noise was prevalent and the noise returns -
> > so that rules out the tranny and rear.  i have a couple of ideas so far:
> > fan clutch malfunction, flywheel might be cracked, torque convertor
> > malfunction, power steering pump.  i say p/s pump only because the shaft
> > IS bent (even rattles at idle) and have another '72 pump to replace it
> > with.
> >
> > any ideas???

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 07:48:06 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

G. Douglas Burton wrote:
>
> Pushing harder on the gas makes it shift back down into second and unlock,
> but as soon as it shifts back up into third, it locks back up. Both
> Chilton's and Haynes say this can be caused by a faulty valve in the
> transmission, so I guess my question now is will the switch in the lockup
> circuit prevent it from locking up even if there is a faulty valve?  I had

Has anyone replaced these valves before?  Doug has explained exactly what
my tranny does, also.  If these valves are easy to replace, then I might do
it myself.  Note: the farthest I've ever gotten into a transmission is
replacing the fluid/filter.  If it is much farther than that, I might be
hesitant.  Thanks much.
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 08:01:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Olds307Y@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lockup Torque Convertor

don't be its actualy very easy to mess with the valve body on a trans all you
hae to do is remember where everything goes

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 09:02:36 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: OCA Web Site minor updates

All,
Made a couple tweaks to the OCA web site (buttons) and a couple new pages.
Anything else I should consider adding to it?

Also I'll be updating the links section this weekend.  If you want to be 
included, send me your URL and OCA# to either e-mail address below

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:49:45 -0500 (EST)
From: phouse@feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Please respond

Is the mail still working ? I have not received a mail msg. in
about 4 days.

Please respond

Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 09:19:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Thomas G Allen <mutga1@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu>
Subject: Re: New Carpet for D-88

J.C. Whitney offers two grades of automotive carpet.  The higher grade is
made by ACC; it is a top quality carpet and only $10-$15 more than their
"El Cheapo" brand.

On Mon, 27 Oct 1997, david wyatt wrote:

> DO NOT buy carpet from J.C. Whitney unless they can provide proof of its
> origin.  I know a guy who ordered a "moulded" set from them for his
> truck.  It was fairly stiff as moulded carpet should be, but it was not
> moulded to fit anything we had ever seen, in fact it was darn near flat.
> After many years doing upholstery and installing carpet sets I would
> recommend Auto Custom Carpet and no one else.  They fit right every time
> and are quality.  I ordered a carpet through my regular upholstery
> supplier once and was very dissapointed.  It was not an ACC carpet and
> it showed.  The price was the same.  After 14 years of installing ACC
> carpets I have never been dissapointed.  Remember, you get what you pay
> for!
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 11:19:29 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Online Musclecar Price Guide

Browsing some Olds links today, I came across a price guide for Musclecars,
including Olds, on the Popular Mechanics Page (of all things!). You can
find out how much they say your car is worth at:

http://popularmechanics.com/popmech/auto2/OLDS.html

The listings aren't complete, but they're better than nothing. They've also
got listings for other makes.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:17:10 -0500
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: JEGS service and 3.73:1

At 06:11 PM 10/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well, got that Richmond 3.73:1 ring and pinion today... the quality of the
>part itself seems to be good, but I'm afraid that I can't say the same
>thing about JEGS service!  First off, it was supposed to be delivered at
>my friend's house (I live in an apartment and a neighbor owns a g-body),
>but instead of delivering it to his house it was delivered to his aunt's
>house where he had had his rear end sent a year ago.  We specifically told
>them to send it to his address.  His aunt was not expecting the part and
>therefore, it sat outside, for two days, in downtown Greeneville, before
>she noticed it!  Secondly the state of the packaging was horrid!
>Evidentally, it was delivered that way (by UPS).  The original box
>was torn, the styrofoam protecting the part was in pieces, and the whole
>thing was contained in a huge plastic bag (the ring and pinion were
>floating in the bag as well.  Me and my friend checked the parts
>carefully, and can't find any damage... but it's not for lack of trying.
>I think that for close to 200 bucks, they should at least be able to keep
>the box in one damn piece.  I think next time I'll order from someone
>else.  Anybody else had problems like this with them?
>
>Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
>Clayton (next time I'm ordering from Summit) Pierce,
>zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
>the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
>
>
 I ordered a rear suspension package for my '87 Cutlass from Jegs (Hotchkis
suspension) and everything showed up in good condition. Packed good and
tight. Although I must say there sales people aren't very knowledgeable.
The guy I talked to couldn't specifically tell me what the price of the
c.o.d would be. The kit originally was $500.00 but I ended up paying
$550.00. Oh well, they were great parts and it was cheaper buying it from
Jegs than Hotchkis themselves.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 28 Oct 97 12:53 EST
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Dr. Bob's signature

> Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>
> 1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
>      See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
> 1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

                         ^^^

I know you meant 403, but you'll give someone the wrong idea. :)

Mike Turley        '66 442
turley@symplex.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:00:41 -0600
From: Mike Taylor <MTaylor@msi-us.com>
Subject: RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Jeff,

Tim at Mantapart also sugested the same to me.  Do you have the part
number for the "high perfromance" clutch disk???  I haven't been able to
get ahold of Tim at Mantapart this week.

Thanks!!!!!

Mike Taylor

>----------
>From: 	IRONMAN[SMTP:jev114@email.psu.edu]
>Sent: 	Monday, October 27, 1997 5:19 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
>
>
>
>>I am looking for suggestions as to the best clutch disk to use in a W-41
>
>>Quad 4.  I have a 1988 Pontiac Grand Am with drivetrain transplanted
>
>>from an Achieva SCX.  The engine has been worked over to put out about
>
>>220 HP.  I autocross the car and am looking for suggestions as to which
>
>>clutch disk to use that can stand up to the abuse.  
>
>
>Hi
>
>
>Sounds like a great combination there, i bet that is a really fun car to
>drive. 
>
>i have used CenterForce Clutches in my 88 Calais and it lasted a few
>months...
>
>another friend of mine had a centerforce never beat the car, until one day
>about 1000 mi after installation and it blew into  many many pieces. i  have
>consulted Mantapart Performance, co which specializes in Q4 setups, and they
>recommend the Heavy duty Clutch from Gm for the HO. that's my advice also.
>
>
>Tell us more
>
>Jeff
>
><center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 
>
><bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentlemen  --  Judge
>of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey
>
></color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 
>
>Penn State University
>
></center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 12:05:40 -0600
From: Mike Taylor <MTaylor@msi-us.com>
Subject: RE: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk

Jeff,

Tim at Mantapart scrounged the drivetrain for me.  He also did most of
the usual engine mods (port matching, chip, exahust manifold, etc.).
Haven't had it on the road yet with the new drivetrain - hopefully by
this weekend though....

Is there much activity on the list about the newer cars with the drive
wheels on the wrong end??  Not that I don't like 60s and 70s muscle cars
- - I have had a few and really miss the sound of a big V8 at full
throttle.....

Mike Taylor

>----------
>From: 	jeff antonucci[SMTP:antonj@erols.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, October 27, 1997 9:16 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: W-41/SCX Clutch Disk
>
>Mike,
>
>Tell us where you found the drivetrain and how you got it up to 220HP.
>
>Jeff Antonucci - '91 Quad 442 W-41
>
>

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:06:00 EST
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: Ransom Eli Olds Tombstone ideas

Hey all,

I'm almost complete with my preparation for Halloween.  My brother and I 
always set up my house (garage) to be a "haunted house" every year, and 
we've almost completed the "cemetery" outside  It always turns out great. 
 We have tombstones from every one you could think of.  From Dracula to 
Elvis, we've got it covered (with top soil, of course, AR! AR!).   Of course 
we have F*RD as one, with "Found On Road-side Dead" on it.  This year, I 
have added R. E. Olds and am looking for ideas for an epitaph.  It looks 
really cool with the old Oldsmobile symbol at the top (Olds Motor Works - 
Lansing Mich.), his name, and his actual Born and Died dates.   Anyway, I am 
looking for suggestions for it, either serious or humorous.  We try to add 
new ones for all the celebrities that pass away each year, with some of the 
comments on them being serious, and others with a hint of wit or humor.  You 
can just imagine how much fun we have.  We basically have a Halloween party. 
 We invite family, friends, and neighbors, and about half of the people 
dress up as Ghouls and roam the yard...er...cemetery as something scary.  We 
usually have a couple hundred kids come through.  It's a lot of work, but 
the kids really love it, and so do the adults, so we keep doing it every 
year.

Please send me your suggestions for Ransom Eli Olds' epitaph to me 
personally, and I will post the final "winner" tomorrow along with the 
runners up.

Happy Halloween,

Jeff "Boris"Zeilmann
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'68 Cutlass Supreme
'69 Cutlass S Convertible
'69 4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:39:02 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '69 Cutlass Grille

> 
> Does anyone know of a source for a RH grille for a '69 Cutlass "S"?
> 
Try Jim Chermac at chermac@exis.net

He usually has them, however he is on vacation I believe.  He should be
back Nov 4.  I'm sure others has them, but off-hand, he's the only one I
know that has 'em.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:33:32 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Toodles for a while.

To all the great members on the list,

For anyone who cares, I will be signing off the list for a couple weeks
while I move.  I will be back, though.  I hope I don't miss too much
cool stuff while I'm gone.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 14:37:23 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: BUSY WEEKEND

> since my comuter was out, I slipped in
> the new chip    I hadnt had a chance to time its stock 1/4 mile  and
> 0-60, so I'll do that later...  

(Sure you will:)

> the IDIOT in the pickup slammed on his brakes and turned left heading
> for another street    I had no time to brake and no room to go to the
> right, so I swerved left going across the turning and oncoming lanes
> (tires squeeling) I ended up on the opposite shoulder just missing the
> nose of the D*dge pu w/trailer before I got stopped 

The state should really require hunter's safety certification prior to
any ownership of a firearm ~and~ application for driving priviledges. 
At least that way we'd ~know~ drivers like that are unarmed, while we
~aren't~....  At least the body panels had no intimate contact with
anything...  Hmm...  Some people...

Dustin:  Got those pictures back...

Also got a new development in my "fleet" status.  My '82 (blown engine,
but extremely clean) now has (in ~my~ possession!) a clear, signed,
notorized, ~LEGAL~ title!!!  I was kinda shocked!!!

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 16:45:24 -0500 (EST)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: ss1's for sale

for sale: set of 5 ss1 wheels. good condition. 
$250     reply privately.

brent (bman6771@aol.com)
1967 cutlass convertible

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