
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, November 7 1997       Volume 01 : Number 941



Re: Interior restoration question
Re: firewall markings
Re: Interior restoration question
Looking for beauty rings
Buzzed
Re: interior
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Lansing Pictures
Changing 65 Cutlass into 442
Re: Interior restoration question
Re: interior
Re: 8 track tape player price?
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Stolen 84 H/O
Power Top Switch ratings
UNBOUNCE: Conv. Top Switch
Re: Interior restoration question
Re:  Dash chrome strips
Update on my car... plans for the future
Re: the Quad 442
Re: the Quad 442
71 cutlass owners, I have question
Updates to OCA Web Page
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Buzzed
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: the Quad 442
Quad 4 Dispute
Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: 71 cutlass owners, I have question
stolen cars
theft prevention
Theft prevention-2
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Toro-thrashing
71 Cutlass shoulder belts
Re: Theft prevention-2
Re: mexican chrome info wanted
Re: Stolen -Long
November JWO
olds 98
4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: Toro-thrashing
Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: 71 Cutlass shoulder belts
Re: stolen cars
Re: 71 cutlass owners, I have question
Re: Plane numbers and child seats......and
Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O
Re: the Quad 442..200k??

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:06:13 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

hi.

it sounds like you are getting an "interior kit" (not that you are 
sewing the upholstery yourself) so your interior restoration job will be 
a lot easier!  

as for the companies that you have selected, someone else will probably 
have to help you out....  my interiors were mohair, broad cloth, bedford 
cord, and naped cotton in my 47 and 48 oldsmobiles in which i sewed the 
material myself.  once you have the seat cover, it is not a hard job or 
really a tough task, it is just time consuming.  The fussier you are
the more time it will take.  if you just throw the seat cover on and
"hog ring" it down....  you may not have full satisfaction because
padding in some cases are worn and your seams may not sit straight.  
you have to have the patience to say... "my seam isn't straight, let me 
take an hour or two to fuss around...  take my seat cover back off...
add a little foam or cotton batting (or use replacement cushion 
material)...  then put the cover bcak on until you get the seams and 
firmness that you are happy with.   

since the door pannels and kick panels and other trim stuff are already 
made, those should just snap into place.   The same goes for the carpet.

If you plan to do a headliner, take your time...  my 1st headliner took 
me 4 days to install (not counting sewing it), but once it was installed
i was VERY pleased with the results.  if you have to get into this, 
e-mail me at 

ferrero@uno.cc.geneseo.edu 

and i'll be more than happy to walk you through.

I hope this gives you a little encouragement, and remember...  a stitch 
in time saves nine!!!  (literally)

- --joe

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:14:32 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: firewall markings

my car is sooo old....

(how olds is it??)  ;)

in 1948 the kansas city MO plant had to write the number on the 
firewall!  they didn't have rubber stamps!!!   :)

(my fire wall has the # 376 written on it from the factory)

any info is appreciated on it too!  :)

- --joe

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:13:28 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

At 05:32 PM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
Jim

        Try Ken Reese of Specialty Olds. His prices are very good and he has
a very good warantee. His number is 1 800-622-2024. Tyr him. He's good
people too.

Jim Chermack


>To all the experts out there,
>I am restoring the interior on a rallye 350. I need to get seat covers, door
>panels, and carpet. Out of all of these places who has the best products?
>Also, Is it fairly easy to redo seat covers and carpet?
>
>Brothers
>YearOne
>The Parts Place 
>Tamaraz
>Fusick
>and The Paddock
>
>
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>70 W31
>70 W45
>96 Aurora
>

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:20:52 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Looking for beauty rings

Hi All -

As indicated by the title, I'm looking for a set of four beauty rings for
15x7 SSIII wheels.  Who would like to sell me a set?  I can get them NOS from
GM for $44, can anyone beat that?  Email me: deovivere@aol.com.

Thanks

Tom Simmons
71 SX (for sale)
70 SX (soon, when I sell the 71)
65 Cutlass (driver, thinking of converting to 442 clone)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:36:34 -0800
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Buzzed

I just put the door jamb switch back in my 69 442 conv.  Every time I
open the door the buzzer goes off.  It seems to me that this buzzer
should go off only when the lights are on, and the ignition is off. 
Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:38:46 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: interior

my recommendation....  if the body isn't too bad, give it a shot.  i 
mean what the heck i can't really get beyond the condition that it's in 
unless you take a sledge hammer to it.  everyone has to learn from 
somewhere.  and the way that you described the interior....  it really 
can't get much worse...  if you attempt to make it better, it will get 
better.  there are some "restoration guides" out there in paperback
to kinda guide you, and we (on the e-mail) can push you along too.


just remember, you can't even attempt to get good at restoring cars if 
you don't try!

- --jj

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 15:36:48 -0700
From: dana@asicstiger.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

jev114@psu.edu on 11/05/97 07:32:02 PM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)
Subject:  Re: the Quad 442

You've got to be kidding.  I on the other hand, would give the hole shot to
the '66 and see if the '91 could catch up.  I know the '91 w41 engine makes
190-195 hp, but at 6000rpm.   I know they are quick, I have a 1990 - but
they are no match off the line against anything with torque.



Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord
and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no
luck thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine
little Q4 unless you count the limited production cobra.
yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could
be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a
matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...

awaiting any challengers
                              Jeff Verkleeren
    Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey
                          Mechanical Engineering
                           Penn State University
mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:40:24 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: Lansing Pictures

are there any pictures posted from the "JJ" lot from lansing?  I would 
like to see if anyone has the same car that I do.

- --jj  (it's the 1946-58 lot)

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:40:57 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Changing 65 Cutlass into 442

Hi All -

I am working on a very nice 65 Cutlass that is currently serving well as a
daily driver.  I am considering converting it into a 442 down the road.  This
means a new engine (400 cid, QW or QR code with B block and A heads), 442
body trim and new suspension (springs and rear sway bar).  

For this project, I have two questions and a request.  Question one: do I
need a new rear axle, tranny and radiator?  Question two: do I need to
replace the lower control arms in the rear to install the bar?  

And now the request: do any of you have the parts/systems I need to bring
this plan to fruition?  I have all the 442 trim pieces and I'm looking at an
engine (Hi CoupeKing!).  What about the rest?  

Tom Simmons
71 SX (for sale)
70 SX (soon, when I sell the 71)
65 Cutlass (driver, possible 442 clone)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 18:46:58 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

At 05:32 PM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>To all the experts out there,
>I am restoring the interior on a rallye 350. I need to get seat covers, door
>panels, and carpet. Out of all of these places who has the best products?
>Also, Is it fairly easy to redo seat covers and carpet?
>
>Brothers
>YearOne
>The Parts Place 
>Tamaraz
>Fusick
>and The Paddock
>
>
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>70 W31
>70 W
>96 Aurora
>

Year One to me has the best parts and they're friendly guys to.  Carpet is
pretty easy, you just have to take the front seats and console out.  When
you do the seat covers, be sure you purchase a hogring cutter to remove the
old covers.  Expect to pay around 90 to 100 dollars for carpet and around
350 dollars for a complete set of seatcovers.
L. Sylvan Williams
Bradley College of Electrical Engineering
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va  24060
(540)-961-6181

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 18:49:07 -0500 (EST)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior

In a message dated 97-11-06 11:48:15 EST, you write:

<< The rug was pulled recently, too. There is
 some rust on the passenger's side and you can see the ground through two
 tiny holes. Should I try to handle this myself, or leave it to the pro's?
 This is my first restoration and I would appreciate any advice. Thanks. >>

Hi Pat -

This kind of work is very easy.  All you need is a good scraper and heavy
duty wire brush to fully expose and remove as much rust as possible.  Then
clean the surface (Simple Green does well) and hit it with a rust inhibitor.
 I have been using 3M Rust Reformer, but plan on trying Corroless (from
Eastwood's 800-345-1178) or POR-15 (800-77-POR15).  Can anyone have
experience with both products and can recommend one over the other?  Once you
have applied this stuff, fill the holes with epoxy putty then cover it with a
nice durable primer and paint (if necessary).  Voila! As good as new.

Tom Simmons

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 19:02:59 EST
From: DR OLDS350 <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Subject: Re: 8 track tape player price?

Tom, 
I found an 8 track player for my 70 w31 in Lansing. It was really a 71 and I
payed about 175.00.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:30:09 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

At 03:36 PM 11/6/97 -0700, you wrote:

>

>

>

>

>

>

>jev114@psu.edu on 11/05/97 07:32:02 PM

>

>Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

>

>To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

>cc:    (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)

>Subject:  Re: the Quad 442

>

>You've got to be kidding.  I on the other hand, would give the hole shot to

>the '66 and see if the '91 could catch up.  I know the '91 w41 engine makes

>190-195 hp, but at 6000rpm.   I know they are quick, I have a 1990 - but

>they are no match off the line against anything with torque.


Well there are a coupleof reasons i chose the Q4 at the hole shot, mainly cuz drivers on the street typically don't have sticky tires and tend to get excited and spin quite a bit, whereas, the Q4 has launched at 4000 rpm with minimal tire spin, leaving whoever in the dust. sure alot of people laugh and say well i have 300 or 400  hp true but the real factor is power to weight ratio, which many overlook. i've done my experimenting just sharing the results with ya.




<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:42:54 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

At 03:36 PM 11/6/97 -0700, you wrote:

        I think the two of you need to wake up. "Muscle Cars" magazine did a
test on this little race and the 91 didn't stand a chance against the 67 442
they used in any of the 3-4 runs they ran. The 67 inquestion was a stock 400
4 bbl, auto (on the column) and skinny redline tires. It ate the Quad 4 up
EVERY run. If you'd like to see how bad they can do this, come on down to
Virginia Motorplex and I'd be more than happy to introduce your Quad 4 to my
stock 67 442 4spd. 

Jim Chermack 


cc:    (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)
>Subject:  Re: the Quad 442
>
>You've got to be kidding.  I on the other hand, would give the hole shot to
>the '66 and see if the '91 could catch up.  I know the '91 w41 engine makes
>190-195 hp, but at 6000rpm.   I know they are quick, I have a 1990 - but
>they are no match off the line against anything with torque.
>
>
>
>Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord
>and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no
>luck thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine
>little Q4 unless you count the limited production cobra.
>yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could
>be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a
>matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...
>
>awaiting any challengers
>                              Jeff Verkleeren
>    Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey
>                          Mechanical Engineering
>                           Penn State University
>mailto:jev114@psu.edu
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:47:42 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Stolen 84 H/O

I am sorry to hear the bad news.  I hope you get your H/O back soon.

Clarence
86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d >

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:03:45 EST
From: PSROACH442 <PSROACH442@aol.com>
Subject: Power Top Switch ratings

I have a 1969 4-4-2 with a bad convertible top switch. Does anyone know where
I can get a replacement? I would also like to know the current draw for the
top.
                            Thanks,

                                     psroach442@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:18:57 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Conv. Top Switch

Not a list member, so reply directly to him...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	PSROACH442 <PSROACH442@aol.com>
Date:	Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:03:45 EST
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Power Top Switch ratings

I have a 1969 4-4-2 with a bad convertible top switch. Does anyone know where
I can get a replacement? I would also like to know the current draw for the
top.
                            Thanks,

                                     psroach442@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 97 20:19:31 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Interior restoration question

At 05:32 PM 11/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>To all the experts out there,
>I am restoring the interior on a rallye 350. I need to get seat covers, door
>panels, and carpet. Out of all of these places who has the best products?
>Also, Is it fairly easy to redo seat covers and carpet?
>
>Brothers
>YearOne
>The Parts Place 
>Tamaraz
>Fusick
>and The Paddock
>
>
      Can't speak for the others but I purchased carpeting for my '69 4-4-2
from Year One and was pleased with the quality and price.  The carpet was
molded with backing pads.  As far as ease of installation, the carpets are
pretty simple as long as they are molded carpets (wouldn't fool around with
anything else because of the fairly complex geometry of a floor pan).  As
far as the seat covers, unless you have upholstering experience, I would
leave it to the professionals.  Other than the material itself, you can buy
the hog rings and hog ring pliers cheaply but to do the actual covering
seemed quite a challenge to me to get it right especially when your working
with materials that have beading or patterns that need to meet and come out
straight.  I'd suggest going to a few custom car shows and find out from the
owners who did the upholstering.  There are some good installers around.  I
went this route after realizing I was about to make a mess out of $500 of
NOS upholstery material.  I ended up finding a guy that does it as a hobby
on the side and for $125 got my front buckets and rear seat done perfectly.
Just had to remove the seats from the car and deliver them to him.  Money
well spent.

  
     Glenn
     '69 4-4-2 

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 20:18:10 EST
From: Oldsparts <Oldsparts@aol.com>
Subject: Re:  Dash chrome strips

We have these in stock by the hundreds.  Price is $39 with  the pushpins.
Hope this helps.  Steve Kenny Brothers Auto 816-662-2060  800-442-PART (7278)

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 17:52:31 -0800 (PST)
From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Update on my car... plans for the future

Well, here's the story folks...

I finally got Lucille back together last night... got the built tranny
back, and the Richmond gear-set in.  Basically, she runs like a
scalded cat... even being easy on it because of break-in period for
both tranny and rear-end, I'd say she would have had _no_ trouble
taking a 5.0 or an SS.  Only one problem... the tranny didn't last the
day out.  :-(

So here I am, p*ssed off, tired, sore, and again without any means of
transportation, reliable or otherwise.  I've finally made a decision
that I've been thinking about for a while now.  The truth is that I
can' afford not to have some sort of transportation, and evidentally,
I can't afford the type of extremely heavy duty part Lucille is going
to need... at least not right now.  I got a second job the other day,
and this time it's not going to be walking distance from my house. 
I've decided to go find a 2 or 3 hundred dollar jap-trap or whatever I
can find... preferrably something that gets better gas-mileage than
I'm used to, and put Lucille off for a little while.  I'll probably be
six month's or better before I do anything more than occasionally
cranking her, but when she come's back, she's going to be "right".  

I've got a couple of things I'm thinking of doing.  First off, even
though I own one, I've got to admit that the "G" body is _not_ my
favorite body style for a car, though they do have good points and I
think as a group are underrated.  I'm wanting something else though.  
Besides, I'm starting to get a bit of frame twist out of the current
body when I nail it... probably because of all the wrecks the car was
in before I ever got it.  Either I'm going to find a _NICE_ G-body or
an older Cutlass or whatever.

One thing for sure, if the motor get's kept as it probably will, I'm
going to make a few additions, firs off, a _REAL_ cam, definitely
better heads, will finally install the headers I've had sitting around
for probably six months now, a good rebuild w/ stiffer than stock
bottom and top end.  A _REAL_ carb, probably an edelbrock, and
possibly also NOS.  The tranny (if I keep it) will probably be as
***ked over as this last one was, but I'll probably use the B&M stuff
instead of the cheaper stuff I used this time.

What I'd really like, is a mid to late 60's Cutlass, 88, or Toro, a
mid 50's 88 (pref. a '56... liked the side trim that year) or a late
40's early 50's fastback.  Obviously if I were to get one of these
older cars, I would go for a closer to stock drivetrain and sell the
350 to my friend... who's been wanting it for a while now anyway.

Or, I might possibly do somthing really wild... cross-make swap maybe.
 Hmmm... built Olds 350 in a 5.0 body maybe?  If it ran like I think
it would run, that'd sure p*ss some people off.  Or perhaps a Volvo
wagon... I think it would fit... seen one with an LT1 in it anyways. 
At any rate, whatever I do, I'm going to take my time, and if I don't
have the money for something... I'll wait until I do... I'm doing it
right this time.  Any wild and crazy ideas anybody?

Any way, I thought that I'd just tell you all what's up and that I'll
probably be Oldsmobilless for a little while.

BTW, everybody take note, my normal e-mail address is changing. 
Instead of zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu it is just zcwp11@ETSU.edu

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
'84 Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, no tranny, 70some-odd K miles)
'80 Rover 3500 SD1 (215, EFI, BW-65, 85k miles, expected electrical
trouble)
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 21:01:23 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

OK,

I've owned a couple of 400 442's and 7 5.0 'Stangs.....the Quad 4 gets 
better mileage, but it has no chance of getting better timeslips.  It's a 
great motor, but it's not a worldbeating quartermiler by any stretch....get 
real!

I doubt it's much quicker than my '96 SHO, and probably not as quick as the 
'91 5 speed SHO.  Neither of them are dragstrip queens, either, and they 
certainly aren't going to try to run with a '66.  Appreciate your car for 
what it is.....reasonably quick, good handling, fun, and a nice car to 
drive....and if I still owned any of the 5.0's, I'd be tempted to take you 
up on your offer! ;-)


>
>
>Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord 
and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no luck 
thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine little Q4 
unless you count the limited production cobra. 
>
>yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could 
be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a 
matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...
>
>
>awaiting any challengers
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:16:08 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

>        I think the two of you need to wake up. "Muscle Cars" magazine did a

>test on this little race and the 91 didn't stand a chance against the 67 442

>they used in any of the 3-4 runs they ran. The 67 inquestion was a stock 400

>4 bbl, auto (on the column) and skinny redline tires. It ate the Quad 4 up

>EVERY run. If you'd like to see how bad they can do this, come on down to

>Virginia Motorplex and I'd be more than happy to introduce your Quad 4 to my

>stock 67 442 4spd. 

>

>Jim Chermack 

I'll meet ya at the redlight and we'll see what's up. i said nothing about the race track 

just street racing, i find it hard to believe the slushbox auto could ever hang with a Q4.



>cc:    (bcc: Daniel R. Anderson/ATC)

>>Subject:  Re: the Quad 442

>>

>>You've got to be kidding.  I on the other hand, would give the hole shot to

>>the '66 and see if the '91 could catch up.  I know the '91 w41 engine makes

>>190-195 hp, but at 6000rpm.   I know they are quick, I have a 1990 - but

>>they are no match off the line against anything with torque.

>>

>>

>>

>>Well i'd be glad to educate anyone who doubts this, get your stock 5.0 *ord

>>and i'll see ya on the street. i've beaten more than a dozen so it's no

>>luck thing. i'm certain ford doesn't produce a vehicle faster than mine

>>little Q4 unless you count the limited production cobra.

>>yes all stock motor on my part. not sure about the 66 442 vs a 91 442 could

>>be a close race, i'd give the hole shot to the 91 442 and it would be a

>>matter if the 66 could catch up before the quarter...

>>

>>awaiting any challengers

>>                              Jeff Verkleeren

>>    Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

>>                          Mechanical Engineering

>>                           Penn State University

>>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:26:21 -0500
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: 71 cutlass owners, I have question

My question is for;

Anyone that has a 1971 (442, cutlass, etc.) which was built in LANSING 
MI and has found the build sheet.

If this describes you, let me know where you found it!


I will attempt to search for "my" cars build sheet this winter.  As 
suggested in the Olds FAQ, I'm hoping I might get lucky and find it in 
one of the more "common" places as other Lansing built cars.  It's a 
long shot, but you never know!

Thanks in advance!

RC Hellebuyck
4-4-2 covt.
see it at:  http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:24:39 -0500
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Updates to OCA Web Page

All:
NEW STUFF AT HTTP://WWW.EROLS.COM/BRAD442/OCA !!!

o Updated calendar of events
o New links page
o Member site of the month
o From "Journey with Olds"
o Internet Newsgroup Info (As if you didn't know abou it already)

BTW-I admit hijacking Jeff Eastons AT-OLDS rocket logo for the Olds Mail
List sign & Mike Fredricks Toro Mail List sign.  I will put up credits
for it next week.  Any comments are appreciated so I can make it better

Thanks
- -- 

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:36:43 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

BigEJ@aol.com wrote:

> The ones that got out before the recall
> had the center of the hood raised instead of indented.  Sort of like a 66
> with louvers!  I got one of each.

Mine has the correct '67 hood.

> << It's a little more detailed that what I expected,>> I was really
> impressed. too!

I was impressed til I read the assembly instructions.  It says to paint
the block "Oldsmobile Blue"!

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 19:33:51 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Buzzed

At 06:36 PM 11/6/97 -0800, you wrote:
>I just put the door jamb switch back in my 69 442 conv.  Every time I
>open the door the buzzer goes off.  It seems to me that this buzzer
>should go off only when the lights are on, and the ignition is off. 
>Thanks. 

It goes on when the key is in the ignition in the off position and the door
is open.  It's not related to the lights.  Its just a reminder for you not
to leave the keys in the car.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 19:35:45 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

We can always flood Edelbrock with E-Mail!!!

- ----------
> From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA
> Date: Monday, November 03, 1997 11:37 AM
> 
> >Hey,
> >
> >Anyone headed to Vegas to the SEMA show?  As I recall, this was supposed
to
> >be the big intro of the BB Olds aluminum heads.....not sure if they're
> >announcing availability, or if it's more of a "look, we've made a
prototype,
> >we might make more someday" kind of thing.
> >
> >Appreciate any info that anyone comes up with.
> >
> >
> >
> >Mike Evans
> >Richland, MI
> >evans1@net-link.net
> 
> And.... Does anybody know if these will fit ANY 425? I know that there is
a
> difference between the push-rod angles (Is that it?) between a 455 and
the
> 425 (except the Toro 425 which is like the 455, right?).
> 
> 
> *************************************************************************
> * THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
> *                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
> * LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
> *                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
> *************************************************************************
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:44:49 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

Olds mobile wrote:

> If you call/write to lingberg they will send you the proper hood. They
> will also send the lens.

This kit has the correct hood, but I'd really like a good tail light
lens.  There's an address on the box for Craft House Corp in Toledo,
OH.  Is that were I want to write?  Or is there an address for
Lindberg?  Never mind, there's an address for Lindberg Model Customer
Service on the assembly instructions.
 
> Be on the lookout for the Testors 442. Excelent model. has real metal
> wheels!

What year 442?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:48:29 -0500
From: _DEFAULT <_DEFAULT@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

IRONMAN wrote:
> Well there are a coupleof reasons i chose the Q4 at the hole shot,
> mainly cuz drivers on the street typically don't have sticky tires and
> tend to get excited and spin quite a bit, whereas, the Q4 has launched
> at 4000 rpm with minimal tire spin, leaving whoever in the dust. sure

Gotta give respect to those Quad4's..they do run well. Not the fastest 4
banger on the street though. Modified Mitsubishi Eclipses with the 2.2L
can produce upwards of 550hp and run 1.5 60fts and very low 11 sec
1/4's. AND these cars do not break as much as any other high HP car. Now
I would love to see a Quad4 turbocharged with AWD like the Eclipse. 

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group, Inc.
95 DCM Impala SS	80 Olds 442 W-30 (for sale)
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4	75 Hurst/Olds W-25 (for sale)

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:43:45 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

So what year is the model?

thanks
jim
69 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:01:07 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

James Thingwold wrote:

> Color suggestions - how bout triple yellow - PICK ONE, Saffron maybe?  hee
> hee,

Actually, that's what I've been leaning toward.  Or maybe Ivory...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:04:58 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

>I doubt it's much quicker than my '96 SHO, and probably not as quick as the 

>'91 5 speed SHO.  Neither of them are dragstrip queens, either, and they 

>certainly aren't going to try to run with a '66.  Appreciate your car for 

>what it is.....reasonably quick, good handling, fun, and a nice car to 

>drive....and if I still owned any of the 5.0's, I'd be tempted to take you 

>up on your offer! ;-)


Well unless your cars are something special, they would bow to my quad 4 any day of the week and there is nothing special about it, i have 1 friend with a 93 SHO 5 sp, he bows to the al mighty Q4, another with an 89 even much lighter SHO 5sp , he also bows to the Q4. among others on the street. numerous friends with stock 5.0 's that read my taillights. another buddy with an 89 formula 350 lots of mods, still can't hang. the biggest misconception about quad 4's is that people ride in them and they don't seem fast, i agree but put your torque monster next to it and see what happens. gladly awaiting any reasonable challengers.

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 22:02:05 -0500
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Quad 4 Dispute

You are all missing an extremely important point.  A regular Quad 4 or
even W40 Quad 4 is not a W-41.  Comparing them is like comparing a
regular 442 with a 3.33 rear to a W-30 with a 3.96.

The 3.94 differential, different tranny gears, camshafts etc. make the
W-41 a whole different machine.  With good tires and a good driver they
can really fly.

Jeff Antonucci
'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:03:54 -0700
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

I don't know if anyone saw this information on Edelbrock's website or knew
this stuff already, but here goes anyway:

"Designed for high-performance non-emission 1965-76 Oldsmobile 400, 425 and
455
cubic-inch engines (except 1968-69 W-30). This head features 77cc
combustion chambers
and an improved chamber design that increases quench area for a more
efficient burn. These
complete heads are assembled and ready-to-run with 2.072" intake valves and
1.680" exhaust
valves, hardened ductile iron valve seats and phosphor bronze guides. The
valvetrain has been
upgraded from the factory pedestal-mount system to a 7/16" screw-in stud
and 3/8"
pushrod-slot guideplate for increased valvetrain stability. The
high-velocity, factory location
ports feature 188cc intake runners and 106cc raised-floor exhaust runners
for substantially
more flow and power than factory ports. Head bolt holes are drilled for the
stock 7/16" bolts,
but can be easily modified for 1/2" bolts or studs by drilling the 1/2"
counterbore. Aftermarket
rocker arms and hardened pushrods are required for installation."

Url: http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/preview_for_98.html

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:00:23
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

>
>This kit has the correct hood, but I'd really like a good tail light
>lens.  There's an address on the box for Craft House Corp in Toledo,
>OH.  Is that were I want to write?  Or is there an address for
>Lindberg?  Never mind, there's an address for Lindberg Model Customer
>Service on the assembly instructions.


what's wrong with the tail light lens???


> 
>> Be on the lookout for the Testors 442. Excelent model. has real metal
>> wheels!
>
the testors 70 442 kit with metal wheels is rather disappointing.  no ram
air hood, not even 442 stripes.  its a bummer if you ask me.


Chris Matthes

67 c/s
73 cutlass

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:38:33 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 71 cutlass owners, I have question

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> My question is for;
> 
> Anyone that has a 1971 (442, cutlass, etc.) which was built in LANSING
> MI and has found the build sheet.
> 
> If this describes you, let me know where you found it!

FWIW:  1972 Vista Cruiser, built in lansing, build sheet in driver side
floor pan under carpet almost under front seat.

1980 Cutlass Calais, build sheet taped to roof above headliner.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

> 
> I will attempt to search for "my" cars build sheet this winter.  As
> suggested in the Olds FAQ, I'm hoping I might get lucky and find it in
> one of the more "common" places as other Lansing built cars.  It's a
> long shot, but you never know!
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 4-4-2 covt.
> see it at:  http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:52:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: stolen cars

84 H/O:
Bummer, man, I can only imagine how that feels. I had a VW dune buggy parts
vehicle disappear from the farm after I sent folks out to look at it w/o
escort. I was only asking $100 for it. Jerks. Home-made frame, new brakes,
frame reinforced underneath with nice new 1x2 steel square tube, in case anyone
sees it. I filed a report just in case it showed up, but had no numbers off it.
.
Speaking of which, can you provide us the VIN so we can be on the lookout?
Advertise in the local paper, in JWO, and Hemmings even gives FREE space to
stolen car notices. Rest assured that we will be looking at such cars with more
interest. Esp. if we happen to live near your area.
.
On the 69 Convert note: I had to almost steal back a 69 2-door a while back-
car possessor did not have title, title holder did not know where the car was.
On the way out to shag a '75 Cutlass, hey, there's a '69.... I stop in, find
it's THAT Cutlass [I do check VIN's]. Go buy the title, on the way home snag
the car. Boy was that guy pissed. He was elusive, took a lot of trying to get
him  to admit he had the car, but wouldn't say where. He knew he had taken
possession of it  mendaciously.
.
Along those lines, when you went to snag your car back, all you really needed
was the title, s'far as I know. Title & keys- pretty good proof. Great
detective work. I must say, though, you flailed badly not a) getting it back
after a brief time waiting for the mechanic, and b) snagging it off the "farm"
when the pcs came up missing.
 --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:06:26 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: theft prevention

So, really, ALL our nice cars should have theft prevention. Redundant simple
home-done methods are probably most effective.

The hidden fuel-line shutoff valve. The hidden kill switches for electric fuel
pump and/or ignition system. Best method: hidden switch grounds the [fused!]
item to kill. If they try to hotwire it, the fuse blows. Leaves a clue. I like
to use the push-on/push-off type switch hidden behind a panel with only a tiny
hole where one inserts the special tool to activate it. This tool can be kept
on the keychain, or since it looks like nothing interesting, left in the car.

I put a system in the convertible back when carjackings began, which was
designed to thwart them jokers just in case. Idea was let it start & run... for
a brief time, whereafter it dies, unless the secret hidden switch is activated.
Slow 'em down. Scream at 'em [use traditional sirens]. Flash the lights. Page
you. Of course there's the Lo-Jack system... but I was thinking home-done
systems.

It's a little harder to discourage the tow-away theft, but there are some
things you can do: park so that the drive wheels are not accessible to the tow
truck. Crank the wheels such that if they try to tow it, they need to
straighten the wheels 1st or it'll run into something. Mechanical locks thru
rotating parts. 'Course, it soon becomes a question of who's in prison, us or
them?

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 23:11:59 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Theft prevention-2

Oh, I always thought that a nifty idea would be that one part of the system, if
not disarmed, would quietly do something like turn on the backup lights when in
Drive [or all the time the key is on], and maybe illuminate an otherwise dark
 rear license plate frame that then blazes a flashing "THIS CAR IS STOLEN"
message. Literally beg to be pulled over!

My brother long ago dreamed up door handles [the old style where your fingers
go thru the handle] that trap the hand if the door's not unlocked 1st...
imagine coming back to find the jerk still there!

One guy I "heard of" glued razor blades to his stereo. Found it missing one
day, with a lot of blood around the car- not a classic Olds btw. Also he
suspecte who did it, and gee whiz that guy had bandages on his hands. Heh.
Serves him right.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 22:38:24 -0500
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

Sure......and I bet you park it right next to your 789 horsepower 307 
Cutlass, don't you? ;-)

>Well unless your cars are something special, they would bow to my quad 4 
any day of the week and there is nothing special about it, i have 1 friend 
with a 93 SHO 5 sp, he bows to the al mighty Q4, another with an 89 even 
much lighter SHO 5sp , he also bows to the Q4. among others on the street. 
numerous friends with stock 5.0 's that read my taillights. another buddy 
with an 89 formula 350 lots of mods, still can't hang. the biggest 
misconception about quad 4's is that people ride in them and they don't seem 
fast, i agree but put your torque monster next to it and see what happens. 
gladly awaiting any reasonable challengers.


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:31:54 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: Toro-thrashing

Dave Ward wrote:

> Here's a better method than the parking brake...the car is shot, right?
> Well than get in there with your wire cutters, and pinch one of the
> front brake lines...that way the brake and the transmission won't fight
> each other, plus, she'll smoke a *lot* better...

Ha, this brings back some high school memories, a friend of mine blew
out the rear brake line in his 79 Cutlass so instead of calling a tow
truck he installed an old spark plug in the brake reservoir and DROVE
the car home....I didn't believe it till I saw it and man could this car
do burnout's with this setup.....Then again the mildly modified 70 350
in place of the stock 260 helped out a lot too!!!! ;-)

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:35:38 -0500
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: 71 Cutlass shoulder belts

Has anybody out there ever replaced the non retractable seat belts in a
70-72 Cutlass with retractable belts from a later model car??? Even
though I don't daily drive my Olds it still kind of annoys me to have to
buckle up twice everytime I drive it, and its a pain in the butt at the
track....Any ideas??

Thanks!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:44:12 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Theft prevention-2

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
 
> Oh, I always thought that a nifty idea would be that one part of the system, if
> not disarmed, would quietly do something like turn on the backup lights when in
> Drive [or all the time the key is on], and maybe illuminate an otherwise dark
>  rear license plate frame that then blazes a flashing "THIS CAR IS STOLEN"
> message. Literally beg to be pulled over!

I've got an "Alpine" sticker across the top of the windshield, plus one
on the back, and it seems to work just as well!  (I've *got* to get rid
of those...tacky as hell!)
 
> My brother long ago dreamed up door handles [the old style where your fingers
> go thru the handle] that trap the hand if the door's not unlocked 1st...
> imagine coming back to find the jerk still there!

I'd be getting the tire iron outta my trunk in a hurry...(plus a can of
Quick-Start and a lighter!)
 
> One guy I "heard of" glued razor blades to his stereo. Found it missing one
> day, with a lot of blood around the car- not a classic Olds btw. Also he
> suspecte who did it, and gee whiz that guy had bandages on his hands. Heh.
> Serves him right.

Here's a theft deterrent method I've always liked...I saw two different
stickers when I was in TN a few years ago.  One said "This Vehicle
Protected By Smith & Wesson", and another said "F**k the Dog, Beware of
Owner!"  I've got a sticker on the tailgate of my '91 GMC Sierra, and it
says "(If You Value Your Life) DON'T F**K WITH THIS TRUCK!"  It's too
small to read, unless someone's really tailgating in heavy
traffic...even then I flash the reverse lights when stopped (creates
quite a panic, too!)

Think back to the movie Robocop 2...remember their spoof advertisement
for MagnaVolt auto security?  For those who don't remember; a theif
walks up to a car, pops the lock with a slim jim, and sits in the
drivers seat, and starts to hotwire the ignition.  Two large steel
braces pop out of the seat, surrounding the theif, and runs about twenty
thousand volts through him.  Of course, this fries him like a lard
omelette, and he falls out, dead as the proverbial doornail.  "Best of
all, it won't even run down your battery!"

Now *that's* what I call auto security!

Best of luck to those who are missing their Olds...

S. Dave Ward    (Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:14:48 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: mexican chrome info wanted

>Does anyone have the phone number for Mike Aldana 
>
Here it is:  maldana@digitalwave.net or call at 760-357-0713


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:13:23 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen -Long

>Who knows, you might get lucky too.  
 After it was stolen, I bought 2 more
>Cutlasses, 2 442's and a GS455 conv before MY 69 came home.  It was the
>reason I actually started to accumulate a "collection". 
Don & Gilbert - I think its safe to say that whereas there are times when
using the system is the best thing (or trying to) there are also times when
you simply must follow the course of events that will work without hurting
anyone, which is what Don did.  

It IS inspiring to know that perseverance and tenacity pays off - God knows
sometimes we get too discouraged with the *lesser* level of humankind that
exists.

Best wishes Gilbert - if it makes you feel any better, everyone I've ever
known who had a car stolen has had it found.  Including my sister's tricked
out 4x4 that was found 20 feet from the Mexican border stripped to just a
shell (which she got back even after she said she didn't want it!).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 20:31:13 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: November JWO

Finally got my copy of the Nov. issue and was *pleased* to see my web site
mentioned.  I mean we're not all Bryceman but we do OUR part for Oldsmobile
too.

Anyway - the cover car is a guy out of my chapter.  At our last show (for
which he took Best of Show - and this car DOES look like new) he came up to
me and complimented me on getting my article published and explained to me
he'd called up Peggy Casteele and ranted & raved cause his article had
never been run for a long time and was having the "big cars don't count"
blues and lambasted her with "if its not an A-body its treated as a second
class citizen and are there no words in Oldsmobile after 442 or Hurst Olds
(etc)" argument  He did apologize to her but I had to laugh when I saw he
was on the cover - I think she got his message! 

I'm going to drop him a congratulary message & hound him about not being on
the Internet or Olds List.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 97 02:53:37 UT
From: "HOWARD BOND" <h6886bond@classic.msn.com>
Subject: olds 98

Please help

I purchased a 1989 olds 98. I love the car and I do not want to give it back . 
when I put it in gear when it is cold it will not shift it
Stays in low gear. The dealer can not find the problem yet, when
 l leave it with them it will not happen. They say it could be a clutch, are 
there any other possible causes



thanks     howard 

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Date: 6 Nov 1997 21:16:14 PST
From: mjones@gleep.com
Subject: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

When was the first year for a 4bbl carb on a '78-up Cutlass?  I'm just
toying with ideas now (403 in '78-80 cutlass supreme/wagon, etc) and
want to run a 4bbl but still be able to put the 2bbl on for CA
emissions (don't want to do an intake swap, maybe a carb adapter).
I know it would be easier to do on a 4bbl-equipped cutlass, but for
those first 2-3 years I believe they were only offered with 2bbls on the
olds motor (which was 260 by what this '78 Service manual states)
whilist the ch*vy motor got the 4bbl (blah)

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr       (350/4V)

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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 23:59:28 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Toro-thrashing

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-11-06 00:20:07 EST, you write:
> 
> << ..from now on, use a FORD! (That
>  is unless you were *trying* to kill the car...) >>
> use of chevy, not a ford!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not a fan of Chev FWD's either, but I tell ya, that Caddy STS is one
fine automobile.  It's a gorgeous car, drives like a dream, and it is
*fast*!  Too bad the governor shuts her down at 200km/h...(ya gotta love
road tests, eh?)

If I had that kind of cash around ($70G), I'd rather have an Aurora,
even though they're only running 260hp as opposed to the STS's 300hp
Four-cam Northstar V8.

When the traction control is disabled on the STS, the car is a hazard,
because there's nothing controlling the torque distribution...I was the
passenger when the mechanic floored it at 30 mph, and the car just
lunged for the ditch...(this was partially due to a FUBAR CV-joint,
too).

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:12:01 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

mjones@gleep.com wrote:
> 
> When was the first year for a 4bbl carb on a '78-up Cutlass?  I'm just
> toying with ideas now (403 in '78-80 cutlass supreme/wagon, etc) and
> want to run a 4bbl but still be able to put the 2bbl on for CA
> emissions (don't want to do an intake swap, maybe a carb adapter).
> I know it would be easier to do on a 4bbl-equipped cutlass, but for
> those first 2-3 years I believe they were only offered with 2bbls on the
> olds motor (which was 260 by what this '78 Service manual states)
> whilist the ch*vy motor got the 4bbl (blah)

Yes, the 260 got the 2 bbl. and the 305 got the 4 bbl.  To stay with Olds
engines :-), all 307's are equipped with 4 bbl. carbs and the 307 started,
in the Cutlass anyway, in 1981.  Some 78-80 Cutlasses with Buick's turbo V6
got a 4 bbl. for that engine, but I have no idea about the
interchangeability regarding this carb.  Hope this helps.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 01:31:24 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass shoulder belts

Steve B. wrote:
> 
> Has anybody out there ever replaced the non retractable seat belts in a
> 70-72 Cutlass with retractable belts from a later model car??? Even
> though I don't daily drive my Olds it still kind of annoys me to have to
> buckle up twice everytime I drive it, and its a pain in the butt at the
> track....Any ideas??

You might consider the shoulder belt system that came on some 72s. (like
my Vista Criser)  It's basically the same as the two-buckle system,
exept the shoulder belt has a knob that slips into a keyhole in the lap
belt buckle.  You adjust the shoulder belt by hand.(no retractor)  The
knob stays in the keyhole pretty well and you only have to use the one
buckle.  While it's not exactly what you want, it would cut down on
buckling, and I doubt it would be any trobule to swap.  If you can't get
a retractable belt system to work it might be an improvement.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Steve
> 71 Cutlass S 455
> 86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:16:28 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: stolen cars

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> 
> On the 69 Convert note:
> Along those lines, when you went to snag your car back, all you really needed
> was the title, s'far as I know. Title & keys- pretty good proof. Great
> detective work. I must say, though, you flailed badly not a) getting it back
> after a brief time waiting for the mechanic, and b) snagging it off the "farm"
> when the pcs came up missing.

Unfortunately when all this started I had no extra storage space.  When
it went to the shop it needed the 4th gear syncro replaced and a new top
and back window. As I was not among the monied at the time (starting my
own business), I had to get the trans fixed at the guys convenience.  I
think at the time it was going to cost about $250 or so if I got it
fixed quickly and about $50-75 if I was willing to wait.  Obviously in
retrospect I REALLY, REALLY wished I had gone ahead and spent the extra
money.  It would have saved me a LOT of grief.  I looked for that car
for 5 or 6 years before it surfaced.  

As for your second point, I took the keys because in Ky you can get a
duplicate title, sign it over to yourself or someone else have a
so-called valid claim.  At this point we would have be in civil court
fighting titles.  So I took a copy of the original title AND the
original set of keys showing about 10-12 years of wear.  Any keys he had
would probably have been newer and shown less wear.  At any rate, the
center console of the car still had my 20-30 of my business cards in
it.  At the time we went to retrieve it, I wanted to have more proof of
ownership on me than he did in case the police got involved as he had
friends in the local department.

I'm just happy it came back home to papa.  Before all this started, it
sure was a nice ride.  Trust me, it will be again if I live long enough
to finish it.

Don Sowers

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 00:58:00 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 71 cutlass owners, I have question

> Anyone that has a 1971 (442, cutlass, etc.) which was built in LANSING 
> MI and has found the build sheet.
> 
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 4-4-2 covt.
 
Hey RC I have saddly parted many 71 cutlasses or 442's and have found the
build sheet in many different places here are a few

- - On top of gas tank
- - Under Bucket or bench front seat
- - Under front carpet
- - Under rear seat or in behind rear back (most common)
- - In drivers kickpanel ( actually happened twice)
- - Under dash

These are some of the places I have found them so pack a lunch and enjoy
your hunt

Robert Schinkel

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:21:17 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Plane numbers and child seats......and

In a message dated 97-11-06 21:59:08 EST, you write:

<< 1) I have to fly to Detroit next Sunday on business. My United Airlines
 flight number is... you guessed it: Flight 442. Ironically, when I
 arrive, I am required to rent a Ford on this trip, since my customer
 is... well, you can guess that one, too.
  >>
next time US Airways!!!!!!!!  I fix em!!!
Bernie...........1 of our 737-400's a/c # is 442, so I guess that work on the
fastest 442 on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 00:15:45 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stolen 69 cvt & 84 H/O

> 
> Tom, this guy was too lazy to be a farmer.  He would work harder
> trying
> to screw somebody out their money than to earn it himself.  REALLY
> strange guy.
> 

Oh, a lawyer, eh?  :)
(Sorry, couldn't resist!)

Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 02:54:40 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442..200k??

In a message dated 97-11-06 05:13:59 EST, you write:

<< awaiting any challengers >>
since you owned it for a while, whats yr best qtr mile time?? When i finally
get the mach 1 on the road id love to run ya......my friend had an 88 quad 4
auto. was quick but not that quick.
Again, not mockin ya, but 5 ltrs are quick. What were the fact 0-60 and 1/4
miles times for your olds????
also, my 69 mach 1 isnt and never will be rusty, like other olds fans who
enjoy other makes, i love my stang, my 1st car was a 66 6cyl hdtop, but i did
get my lic in an olds.....75 4dr c/s, 260 2bl, and my 83 yr old nana still
has it!!! 73k orig miles.  
  my first olds was in 88, my 67 f-85....i didnt know what an f-85 was!!
Anyway, i would keep the orig stuff for the hell of it, but running around
w/orig 200k
belts and hoses?? askin for trouble IMHO.  Im sure the timing belt(chain?)
isnt orig.
   Dont you believe in prev mtc.  Every 4 yrs for belts and hoses for me.
oh well, its 3am, gotta read the rest of my mail....
I hope yr rocket reaches 400k, but keep an eye on those orig parts college
boy
 c-ya
Bernie......

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