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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, November 13 1997     Volume 01 : Number 953



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I'm tinkering with a winter project for the '84 H/O, a small indicator
and switch panel that will go where the ashtray is.  I plan to
incorporate a TCC lockup indicator, force and defeat TCC lockup
switches, a switch to put the CCC in diagnostic mode, and maybe a kill
switch (probably the barrel key type), and one empty switch for future
use.

I'd also like to have an indicator, just an LED, that tells me when the
car is running in closed loop or open loop mode.  Does anyone know how I
can tell this and what wire or system I can tap off of to get a signal
of some sort?   Ground, 12v, 5v, whatever I can get it I can work with.
The only way I know to tell for *sure* if it's closed loop is hook a
dwell meter up to the mixture control solenoid.

When done, I'll see about putting pictures and/or schematics on my web
page.
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Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
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Just a question for basic information; what year did Oldsmobile switch its
head design over from a tapered-seat spark plug to a gasket-style spark
plug? I was under the impression that it was 1970 and later that used the
gasket-style plug.

A couple other related questions:

How wide is the tapered seat in the head? As wide as the taper on the plug
itself?

Is there an indicator in the spark-plug numbering system of most
manufacturers that distinguishes a taper-seat plug from a gasket-type plug?
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
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Erik,

Please post whatever information you have on the Edelbrock heads?


Thanks,


>At 07:51 AM 11/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>how much for the aluminum heads? and when will they be available?
>>
>I checked out Edelbrock's booth at SEMA.  They had a pre-production head on
>display.  They would not quote even a ballpark price and said that they
>would be shipping in February or March.  I was kind of disappointed with
>that answer but they would not give me any more details.
>
>The rest of SEMA was as always a blast.  It's truly a car guy's candystore.
> Too bad you can't buy any of the products right there.  I highly recommend
>it to anyone who has the opportunity to go.
>
>I have the Edelbrock "New for 98" flyer which gives some detail on the Olds
>head.  If anyone is interested, I can post it or mail it privately.
>
>Erik Nowacki
>San Diego
>72 Vista Cruiser
>
>


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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 21:22:47 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 74 Delta 88

It wouldn't happen to have the air bag system would it?  I know someone
looking for all the related parts for that.  Please e-mail me privately if
you've got this stuff.

Thanks much -


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Cruiser (twin hauler)

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For a while I have been waiting for Edelbrock to come out with
Aluminum Heads but now I am a little disappointed with the heads. I
know that they are Aluminun and will cut down the weight but I
figured the the valves would be a little bigger then 2.02..Well I
guess I will have to live with it though considering it took them a
while to recognize us Olds guys / gals huh...


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> and 88s that littered the yards.  Mike's Wrecking near Hamilton had a
> bunch, as did I really excellent yard near Thorold, but I'm damned if I can
> remember exactely where it was.  Of course all those cars are gone now

        Were you thinking of Thorold Auto Parts?  I was there not too long ago
and they are really snobby there I've found - they won't let you get anything
off the car yourself - they have to send a guy out with the yard truck to take
off the slightest little thing, and if you go in there asking for parts for a
pre-80s car they tell you they don't have any at all and almost make it seem
like you're a fool for asking.  The one place I like to go is Miller's in Fort
Erie.  They even had cars from the 50s & 60s up til a couple months ago, but
70s cars are a regular find there.

> Good luck with the project ...

        Thanx Graham.  I'll let you know when she's running in the spring...or
I'll tell you when it's gonna be fired up and you can sit on your front porch
and listen if you want  =B)  he-he-he.
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
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   I am looking for a rear spoiler for an '83 H/O. Also, does anyone know
if a 120 mph speedo is available for the same car ?   Thanks all.


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     77 C/S rear for sale. Has a 3.42 Richmond Raider Super Brute Posi in
it. If interested e-mail private for more info.   Thanks all



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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:50:52 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: dimmer switch/indicator light

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Dustin Cross wrote:
> > became the proud owner of a '70 Delta 98 LS today!!

> > I never new the high beam indicator in those cars were so cool! (took me a
while to > > figure out thats what it was) > > Let me guess, a little knob on
the floor next to he brake. I had to ask > my parents where the brights were. I
was used to the turn signal deal.

NO!!   the indicator light!    it is a "rocket" emblem (in red) in the middle 
of
the dash   looks ~very~ cool!

as for the dimmer switch, you just made me feel old!   I had the opposite
troubles the first time I drove a car with the turn signal dimmer    I stomped
my foot on the floor several times  before I was informed by the owner of the
car (who was laughing) that the switch was only on the floor in OLD cars!

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 23:13:09 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: new toy

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Alright Dustin!  Yes they're big but they do have some balls.  By the way
> isn't a 98 simply a 98?  I didn't think they were connected with the Delta
> 88's.

I'm pretty sure the 98s are still Delta's    (I think on mine there are Delta 
98
emblems on the front fenders)     left it almost 300 miles away so I cant
look...   was going to take some pics last night after I bought it   but the
batterys had gone dead in my camera  (typical)

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:12:24 -0800
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com
===========================================================
Robert,

Thanks for your offer on looking for Olds parts.
Don't know what the response has been, so hope you
aren't overwhelmed.

However, you may be able to save my life as I am about
99 percent done with putting my '55 Olds back together
and am in trouble in a couple of areas because of the
idiot who re-did my chrome.

Anyway, hope I can describe what I am looking for.

When you are looking at the '55 Olds from the front end you
first see the bumper.  Directly behind it there is a piece of
chrome on the left and right side that attaches directly to the
sheet metal and kind of wraps around from the side to the front.
These two pieces actually line-up with the chrome piece that is
on the hood where you put your hand to find the lever to open the
hood.  When looking at the front treatment it brings it all together.
Anyway, my piece had a rust problem and in the process of fixing it
he bent it so badly that I could barely get it on.  Now the alignment
is so far off it looks real bad. The angle is way off from the piece
on the hood that it butts up against.  If they have one of these for
the left side (as you look at the front of the car) I could certainly
use it.

The reflector lense on the tailight assembley was cracked, so if they
have a tailight assembley with agood reflector (not the bullet lense,
but
the reflector below it within the tailight) then it would be worth
it to by the whole tailight just to get the reflector.

Hope these descriptions make sense.  If you want to call me toll free
to discuss, I can be reached at 1-888-258-4436 x401.

Thanks,

Gary Andresen
gandresen@altigen.com (work)
gandresen@ibm.net (home)

Robert Schinkel wrote:
>
> Today in I went yard hunting for Olds parts and came across a yard just
> filled with OLD OLD car many of them oldsmobile from as early as the
> twenties.
>
> What I did find was a few Detla's from 67-71 and even some Dynamic 88's and
> starfires
> I don't know much about the old cars or the big cars but if there is
> something some one is in need of please let me know.
>
> I'll be there quite a bit in the next few weeks ...... I'm buying all the
> 425's and 455 from the Delta
>
> The yard was full of old Coupes and wood wheel cars of all makes and models
>
> Anyways E me direct if you want me to look for something. I 'm more then
> happy to help.
>
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
>
> Oh and there was only one 71 Cutlass and one 68 Cutlass if anyone want me
> to look for any of those pieces let me know
>
> Bob

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Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 22:20:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: kidneys

local radio station has been doing that story for a year and after
numerous calls to many police depts all over the usa has yet to confirm.
i also read that story pretty verbatum in a late 80's Hustler, it was
listed under fiction.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:17:47 -0500 (EST)
From: Patrick Rose <prose@email.unc.edu>
Subject: Re: Clock Repair

Hey Glenn,

Thanks for the help with the stereo and other stuff earlier. I had
to cut that project short because I can't find any speaker cloth to keep
the front speaker from drying and cracking in the sun. Now I have to
replace the entire brake system, though, which should be a treat. Anyway,
I think I remember seeing a commercial for a clock quartzing place in the
back classifieds of Old Car Trader. Pick one up and look in the back. I
think there were several places, actually. I had a feeling the clock would
put up a fight. I almost got mine to work by hooking it up to a battery
charger for my remote control car-that way I could control the current
flow. As you probably know, the clock works fine but the problem is
getting it to rewind itself. This is accomplished when the swing arm moves
closer and closer to the electromagnet arm which remains stationary. When
the swing arm touches the electromagnet arm, the circuit is completed and
the electromagnet arm is SUPPOSED to move towards the electromagnet with
enough force to throw the swing arm really far away which, of course,
serves to rewind the clock. On mine, the two arms would get stuck together
and the current would continue to flow instead of being a short burst.
This would cause the electromagnetic wire to melt apart in a weak section.
I think the secret is finding a way of fixing the inside of the clock so
that nothing-especially the electromagnet-has any play except for the two
arms. Since the electromagnet arm is always being jerked-around it tends
to move things and screw up the clock. I could get mine to work for five
or ten minutes in my room until something went wrong. I would reccommend
quartzing, too, but I just felt like sharing my experience with you and I
was wondering if you had the same problem I did. I respect you for trying,
that's what seperates the men from the boys. Wish me luck with the brakes,
it'll be my first time!

Pat
'68 Cutlass

On Wed, 12 Nov 1997, Glenn Connors wrote:

>     Well, tried repairing the clock in my '69 4-4-2. After removing it from
> the dash I found the ground contact was broken off it's plain.  Thinking for
> sure that is the problem I, with the help of another pair of hands, solder
> the piece back into place and apply power.  No luck. Now I check the relay
> coil and come up with affinity. So, I either rewind this coil or send it out
> to be quartzed.  I heared that there is someplace that can do this but can't
> remember were or who.  Anybody know?
>
>
>     Glenn
>     '69 4-4-2
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 02:33:08 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Re: the 425

> Well, you  ought to read the FAQ before embarking on such an endeavor.
> Best bet: either
> get a '66-7 Toronado motor, or use a '65-67 non-Toro motor innards in a
> '68-up 455 block.
> As for what it does...
> 78 Cutlass, Toronado 455, big valve C heads, cam, intake, etc. ET 14.5
> same car, 112K mile old unmolested '66 Toro 425, stock Qjet on lo-rise
> Toro intake. ET 13.5
> What more need be said?

        Thanx Chris.  The 425 will certainly be at the top of my list of
possiblities when (and if) I yank the 468 outta this Cutlass.  I may end up
getting another one like it, but that's yet future, so who knows. - -- Trevor
Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/ mailto:lee@mergetel.com

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At 08:11 AM 11/12/97 -0800, you wrote:

On the subject of tires.........does anybody still make a
>235-70R14? I know BFG did....I have a set on my W30. Someone said they
>are now discontinued. Is this true :(

Yes, this is unfortunately true. While individual retail outlets may still
have some in stock, the factory has discontinued production of the 235 (or
wider) 70R14. BTW, BFG sold their tire division to Uniroyal. I found this
out when I went looking for tires for the Cutlass about six months ago.
Apparently this size limitation is not restricted to BFG. The guys at my
local NTW claim to have searched for a similar size in all of the brands
they carry, and they say they couldn't find anything in the area. So, the
Cutlass is sitting on 245-60R14 tires.

Capitol City Rockets Members: If you buy tires from NTW don't forget to ask
for the 10% club discount!

Ray
Alexandria, VA
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.


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>      "Reason to not party anymore"-
>>> >> > >>>> >
>>> >>      This guy went out last Saturday night to a party.  He was
>>> >> having a good time, had a couple of beers and some girl seemed to
>>> >> like him and invited him to go to another party.  He quickly
>>> >> agreed and decided to go along with her.  She took him to a party
>>> >> in some apartment and they continued to drink, and even got
>>> involved
>>> >> with
>>> >> some other drugs (unknown which).
>>> >>      The next thing he knew, he woke up completely naked in a
>>> >> bathtub filled with ice.  He was still feeling the effects of the
>>> drugs,
>>> >> but looked around to see he was alone. He looked down at his chest,
>>> >> which
>>> >> had "CALL 911 OR YOU WILL DIE" written on it in lipstick.
>>> >> He saw a phone was on a stand next to the tub, so he picked it up
>>> and
>>> >> dialed. He explained to the EMS operator what the situation was and
>>> >> that he didn't know where he was, what he took, or why he was
>>> really
>>> >> calling.
>>> >>      She advised him to get  out of the tub.  He did, and she asked
>>> him
>>> >> to look himself over in  the mirror.
>>> >>      He did, and appeared normal, so she told him to check his
>>> back.
>>> >>      He did, only to find two 9 inch slits on his lower back. She
>>> told
>>> >> him to get back in the tub immediately, and they sent a rescue team
>>> >> over.
>>> >>      Apparently, after being examined, he found out more of what
>>> had
>>> >> happened. His kidneys were stolen.
>>> >>     They are worth 10,000 dollars each on the black market.  (I was
>>> >> unaware this even existed.) Several guesses are in order:
>>> >>
>>> >>  The second party was a sham, the people involved had to be at
>>> least
>>> >>  medical students, and it was not just recreational drugs he was
>>> >>  given.
>>> >>     Regardless, he is currently in the  hospital on life support,
>>> >> awaiting a spare kidney. The University of Texas in conjunction
>>> >> with Baylor University Medical Center is conducting tissue research
>>> to
>>> >> match the sophomore student with a donor.
>>> >>     I wish to warn you about a new crime ring that is targeting
>>> business
>>> >> travelers. This ring is well organized, well funded, has very
>>> skilled
>>> >> personnel, and is currently in most major cities and recently very
>>> >> active in New Orleans.  The crime begins when a business traveler
>>> goes
>>> >> to a lounge for a drink at the end of the work day.  A person in
>>> the
>>> >> bar walks up as they sit alone and offers to buy them a
>>> >> drink.  The last thing the traveler remembers until they wake up in
>>> a
>>> >> hotel room bath tub, their body submerged to their neck in ice, is
>>> >> sipping
>>> >> that drink.
>>> >>     There is a note taped to the wall instructing them not to move
>>> and
>>> >> to call 911.  A phone is on a small table next to the bathtub for
>>> them
>>> >> to call.  The business traveler calls 911 who have become quite
>>> >> familiar with this crime.  The business traveler is instructed by
>>> the
>>> >> 911
>>> >> operator to very slowly and carefully reach behind them and feel if
>>> >> there is a tube protruding from their lower back.  The business
>>> traveler
>>> >> finds the tube and answers, "Yes."  The 911 operator tells them to
>>> >> remain
>>> >> still, having already sent paramedics to help.
>>> >>      The operator knows that both of the business traveler's
>>> kidneys
>>> >> have
>>> >> been harvested.
>>> >>      This is not a scam or out of a science fiction novel, it is
>>> real.
>>> >> It is documented and confirmable.  If you travel or someone close
>>> to you
>>> >> travels, please be careful.
>>> >>      Sadly, this is very true.  My husband is a Houston
>>> Firefighter/EMT
>>> >> and they have received alerts regarding this crime ring.  It is to
>>> >> be taken very seriously.  The daughter of a friend of a fellow
>>> >> firefighter had this happen to her.  Skilled doctor's are
>>> performing
>>> >> these crimes! (which, by the way have been highly noted in the Las
>>> >> Vegas area). Additionally, the military has received alerts
>>> >> regarding this.  This story blew me away.  I really want as many
>>> people
>>> >> to
>>> >> see this as possible so please bounce this to whoever you can. >
>>> >>
>>> >>

==============================================================
Robin S. Conlin
Vit. K Lab
HNRC at Tufts University
711 Washington St.
Boston, MA 02111
(617) 556-3088
conlin_vk@hnrc.tufts.edu




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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 06:30:36 -0500
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Well again Mondello was involved in the development of these heads and thy are
supposed to perform out of the box like a set of his PORTED c heads. They also
said that they may be able to port another +/- 100 Hp out of these heads, which
would out perform the Batten heads.

- ----------
From: Steve B.[SMTP:steveb@thecia.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 1997 10:20 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Edelbrock heads--SEMA

Hmmm...This is interesting, I wonder if Mondello was in on the
development of these heads, I believe he had a hand in developing the
Edelbrock intakes, Has Edelbrock or Mondello had a set of these heads on
a dyno???? I wonder how much better they will be than a set of well
prepped C's

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

urbanch wrote:
>
> I spoke to a tech rep at Mondello's this morning and he said not till Feb/98
most likely. They also claimed that they will probably cost $1200.oo for a bare
set, $1500.oo assembled, and  about $2000.oo ported by Mondello. They can also
be ordered with valves as big as 2.2" int, and 1.7" ex. >

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 23:12:15 +1030
From: "Scott " <scott@tplex.com.au>
Subject: New Purchase Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes

G'day guys,

I am in need of some more votes to edge ahead in this months virtual car
show. I think (?) that I am currently in second (1.3%) place being beaten
by a 1916 Elgin (1.4%) (what ever that is). If you like the look feel free
to submit you vote, but remember only vote once thanks.

http://auto4world.com/interactive-car-show/november/showroom3.html

I have only had the Olds for a little over 2 months now. The paper work
that I got with the car shows that it was a Montana car originally before
being shipped to Australia. The previous owner restored it and got it
through the registration process - still left hand drive. Its a 60 Holiday
Coupe in pretty good condition, its been repainted and retrimmed. The body
work is in amazing condition for its age (floor pans are in mint condition)
it has got a small amout of rust in the passenger sill which I plan to get
fixed once I get the cash together. Its got a 1970 455 turbo 400 (at least
this is what I think it out of) its engine casting number is 396021F.

Touch wood.... since my purchase the only problems have been a tail shaft
support mount that broke, I was able to order a replacement from Fusicks
delivered to my door here in Australia for $70 (AUD) - very good guys to
deal with. I also had a few problems with broken shock absorbers
disappearing into the coil spring column, the cause of this problem was
wrong size shocks being fitted. The under sized shocker brackets have now
been beefed up and are working fine. Apart from a few carbie problems and a
general service and tune up it runs very strong.


I am interested in locating any other owners of 60 olds either here in Oz
or abroad. I would like to know how popular this vintage was/is in the US.

Cheers

Scott

Ps. How driveable are big cars with low ride height and large over hangs on
US roads, I'm forever paraniod of dragging the back or middle, it seems
aussie roads are just not built for these big cruisers !!!!!!!  :-)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:39:05 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª951

225 is the tallest AND widest of the 70 series for 14" rims.  e.g. 225
would be both taller and wider than, say, a 205.  i'm not sure what he
was originally looking for, a taller and/or wider tire for a 70R/14...

Steven Saraceno wrote:

> Joseph Gambaccini wrote
>
> <I just bought 225/70R/14's for my '72 442.  The salesman said that the
> <225 was the tallest 70 series tire for a 14" rim that BFG has
> available.
>
> I hope he ment widest for the 70 series.  I checked the Tire Rack web
> site and the widest they had was 225/70/14 they did have a 235/70/15 but
> they are light duty truck tires.
>
> Does anyone have the new BFG Comp T/A Drag Radial that is street legal?
> Seems like a great tire for a summer only 442 here in Chicago. Comes in
> 215/60/14.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:00:40 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: New Purchase Aussie 60 Olds - Need some more votes

one more from me!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:01:55 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: MSD Help!!!

Hey Folks,

    Well my 455 goes into the Cutlass this weekend (and there was much
rejoicing)

    I have installed a MSD 6A box on the car and am having an annoying
problem - the dang thing won't shut off!  It starts beautifully...idles
and runs nicely...drives the tach properly...everything except that when
you turn off the switch it has absolutely no effect on the engine!  To
stop the engine you have to a) unplug the power wire to the MSD (which
is indeed switched - I checked) or route this same wire to its original
position on the coil, in which case it works perfectly, but totally
fried the wire.  To clear things up, this wire is the one that comes
from under the dash to the coil - ignition power.

    The rest of the wiring is correct by the wiring diagram on the
bottom of the MSD box.  It's a bit frustrating and I'd like to try and
fix it before I put the new 455 in just because I want to be able to
kill it in a hurry if need be!

    This is probably an idiot mistake on my part...but dangit I sure
can't spot the problem...maybe one of you can help.

Thanks folks!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:16:53 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: How to tell if it's closed loop

Interesting project, Tom

Basically, closed loop just indicates a mode in which the computer
varies the car between rich and lean to obtain a stoich average.  The
only way to tell for sure is if you read the signal from the Oxygen
Sensor.  Depending on the calibration and signal range of that signal,
the voltage signal will vary about a specific point (stoich) in closed
loop.  In tapping into this wire though I fear you might damage or
weaken the signal going to the computer.  You might consider adding your
own second O2 sensor by welding a boss on the exhaust to accept it.

I am a little curious, though...why do you want to know this?  Is the
car running badly?  Did you put in a custom programable computer? Just
curious

Sounds pretty cool!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

I'm tinkering with a winter project for the '84 H/O, a small indicator
and switch panel that will go where the ashtray is.  I plan to
incorporate a TCC lockup indicator, force and defeat TCC lockup
switches, a switch to put the CCC in diagnostic mode, and maybe a kill
switch (probably the barrel key type), and one empty switch for future
use.

I'd also like to have an indicator, just an LED, that tells me when the
car is running in closed loop or open loop mode.  Does anyone know how I

can tell this and what wire or system I can tap off of to get a signal
of some sort?   Ground, 12v, 5v, whatever I can get it I can work with.
The only way I know to tell for *sure* if it's closed loop is hook a
dwell meter up to the mixture control solenoid.

When done, I'll see about putting pictures and/or schematics on my web
page.
- - --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds

350)

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:25:51 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Headlight/Keys in Ignition Dinger

Have one last question for a while:

The dinger in my 87 CS....  It works you can hear it ding when you turn
the car off and the head;ights are still on, but it's VERY faint.   Not
as loud as the average one, in fact, if there's any kinda noise going
on, you can't hear it.....  I can't stand that it doesn't work
right....  Any ideas on what to chase???  Or should I be smart, adn
leave well enough alone.
- --
             Jerry Christopher
    ___       HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
___/.o \__,   1987  Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
=O------O=     It ain't my father's oldsmobile!

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:45:55 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Greetings

  thanks for your reply,
 what was your name..
yes linda and I are the newsletter editors of the dixie chapter..
  thanks for your note.....

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 07:24:22 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

>Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
>it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com
>===========================================================
>Robert,
>
>Did you happen to see any '49-50 Oldsmobiles in the yard?  What part of the
country is it in?


Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:47:27 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

Thats the proper address for me shouldn't be any problems

Bob Schinkel

What are you Looking for

- ----------
> From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 1:12 AM
>
> Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
> it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com
> ===========================================================
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for your offer on looking for Olds parts.
> Don't know what the response has been, so hope you
> aren't overwhelmed.
>
> However, you may be able to save my life as I am about
> 99 percent done with putting my '55 Olds back together
> and am in trouble in a couple of areas because of the
> idiot who re-did my chrome.
>
> Anyway, hope I can describe what I am looking for.
>
> When you are looking at the '55 Olds from the front end you
> first see the bumper.  Directly behind it there is a piece of
> chrome on the left and right side that attaches directly to the
> sheet metal and kind of wraps around from the side to the front.
> These two pieces actually line-up with the chrome piece that is
> on the hood where you put your hand to find the lever to open the
> hood.  When looking at the front treatment it brings it all together.
> Anyway, my piece had a rust problem and in the process of fixing it
> he bent it so badly that I could barely get it on.  Now the alignment
> is so far off it looks real bad. The angle is way off from the piece
> on the hood that it butts up against.  If they have one of these for
> the left side (as you look at the front of the car) I could certainly
> use it.
>
> The reflector lense on the tailight assembley was cracked, so if they
> have a tailight assembley with agood reflector (not the bullet lense,
> but
> the reflector below it within the tailight) then it would be worth
> it to by the whole tailight just to get the reflector.
>
> Hope these descriptions make sense.  If you want to call me toll free
> to discuss, I can be reached at 1-888-258-4436 x401.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Andresen
> gandresen@altigen.com (work)
> gandresen@ibm.net (home)
>
> Robert Schinkel wrote:
> >
> > Today in I went yard hunting for Olds parts and came across a yard just
> > filled with OLD OLD car many of them oldsmobile from as early as the
> > twenties.
> >
> > What I did find was a few Detla's from 67-71 and even some Dynamic 88's
and
> > starfires
> > I don't know much about the old cars or the big cars but if there is
> > something some one is in need of please let me know.
> >
> > I'll be there quite a bit in the next few weeks ...... I'm buying all
the
> > 425's and 455 from the Delta
> >
> > The yard was full of old Coupes and wood wheel cars of all makes and
models
> >
> > Anyways E me direct if you want me to look for something. I 'm more
then
> > happy to help.
> >
> > Robert Schinkel
> > docbob@caninet.com
> >
> > Oh and there was only one 71 Cutlass and one 68 Cutlass if anyone want
me
> > to look for any of those pieces let me know
> >
> > Bob

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:13:44 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Spark Plugs

On Wednesday, November 12, 1997 5:48 PM, Jason Adcock
[SMTP:jadcock@vt.edu] wrote:
> With all this talk about spark plugs lately, I got to thinking about
> changing mine.  Has anyone here compared Bosch Platinums to ACs, or
did I
> miss the post?  My friend here swears by Bosch Platinum plugs and I
told
> him that y'all swear AC plugs.  He said that the AC ones are trash,
but he
> drives a 94 Probe SE, so I know he's WAY misinformed to begin with!
> Seriously, are these Bosch plugs really worth the money?  My three
choices
> are Bosch, AC Rapidfire, and regular AC.  Has anyone had any bad
> experiences with any of these?  Thanks for responding.
>
> P.S. The plugs haven't been changed in my car for at least 30,000
miles.
> Is it possible that these are the original plugs (81k miles on the car
> now)?  The first owner did none of his own work and I can't find a
receipt
> for plugs anywhere.
> _____________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

I have used Bosch Platinum for years in my 88 Seville. I put them in
with around 35,000 miles on the car and have not changed them since. I
have over 120,000 miles on the car now. I have checked them and they
still look good. The car has not lost any MPG either, and runs like it
did when it was new. I plan on changing them soon anyway when I do a
tune up.

I have a 92 Seville with over 80,000 miles also with AC plugs and they
are the same, they do not have to be replaced for 100,000 miles.

I have been thinking of changing the plugs in the 442 to the ACs or
Bosch also. Will they last for 100,000 miles? I don't know. The
electrical system is different, more compression, non-fuel injected, and
the 455 requires a hotter plug, these all have a effect on the life of
the plugs. But, for me I don't plan on putting 100,000 miles on the 442,
I don't race the car, and they are easier to change than the Seville's.
They should do as good or better then the  regular AC's I have in there
now.

I think the Bosch are as good as you can get. They were the first to
offer this type of plug. The AC's should be just as good, either way
they are better then the regular AC's. If I can get the AC's in the
right heat range and size, I will use them in the 442.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 08:28:41 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 65 Jetstar for sale

Classified2000 has the following listed at:

http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+R200059+CoolNotifyD
etails



1965, Oldsmobile Jetstar Sedan, 3K miles, $8,500/OBO

Options metallic lt.blue exterior, white interior
Convertible
Two Door
Automatic Transmission

Description
425 bored 30 over,Edlebrock performance & cam.
new interior,top(white),tires,brakes,dual exhaust.

FAST-CONTACT RON OR CARLA-EVENINGS

Seller Info
For sale by private party
(219) 256-2743 [Eve]
Mishawaka, Indiana 46545

Post Date 11-NOV-97

- ----------------------------

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:50:07 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Junk yard Find

I wouldn't recognize a 40 - 50 Oldsmobile but I'll be there today picking
up an engine I'll take another walk and make notes

Oh and its in Niagara Falls Area ( CANADA side )

Rob Schinkel

- ----------
> From: william goodnight <idaholc@primenet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Junk yard Find
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 1997 9:24 AM
>
> >Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
> >it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com
> >===========================================================
> >Robert,
> >
> >Did you happen to see any '49-50 Oldsmobiles in the yard?  What part of
the
> country is it in?
>
>
> Bill Goodnight
> Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho
>

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:05:21 +0000
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: '80 Toronado

      A friend of mine has a bunch of 1980 Toronado parts for sale.  If
anyone is interested  please e-mail me private and I will give you more
info.

        Thanks all,
                            E.J.

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:46:16 -0500
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: '89 DRB armrest repair

I've been taking care of a few housekeeping items on the wife's '89
DRB.  The plastic armrests on the front doors are notorious in these
cars for breaking(slam the door and it ends up in your lap).  I've found
that fiberglass drywall tape and 24 hour epoxy(on the inside<g>) works
great for fixing the broken plastic, but the vinyl cover(and underlying
foam) is pulling loose also.  Does anyone have a suggestion for
reattaching the vinyl and foam to the hard plastic form?

BTW, the car just turned 190k miles on the original motor which uses no
oil and still runs like a Swiss watch.  I love that car!

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

The GMC Motorhome Page
http://www.gmcmotorhome.com

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 11:21:51 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Mail Addresses

On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Robert Schinkel wrote:
> Thats the proper address for me shouldn't be any problems

> > Tried sending this direct, but kept coming back saying
> > it was undeliverable to docbob@caninet.com

This has very little to do with Rob and his ISP, other than to use itr
to illustrate a common situation: it seems to me as admin of the list
that the volume of unpredictable bouncing email is growing steadily.
Not because of people giving up accounts or whatever, but instead just
intermittent problems where an address goes bad for hours or days at a
time.

It has happened to a number of folks here lately. I'll mention
some names because they may not know there *is* a problem, and I can't
reach them anyway when there is. I had to remove Joe Padavano
yesterday because his ISP sent bounced mail into a loop that got
redirected (apparantly, haven't seen it yet) to a digest. Not Joe's
fault, of course, but until they fix the problem he isn't here. They
admit they screwed up; Joe ought to get some money back!! :)

I get bounces almost every day lately from accounts belonging to Bobby
Etzel, Kevin Wong (and all the other geocities.com addresses here too),
Ray Bohn, Brian Kerr, Doug Newman, and lots of AOL accounts that say
they are unavailable because they are upgrading their system. I've
learned to ignore the bounces from these accounts because I know
they'll go away.  But others are more of a problem; Rob's caninet
account seems to refuse mail every now and then and I never am sure if
it's a real problem or not. But the real point of all of this is not to
single anyone out, but just to show that mail is becoming less reliable
as the net grows and new ISPs pop up that may not always know what they
are doing. Just because you're getting mail from somewhere, don't
assume you're getting it from everywhere.


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 09:38:04 -0600
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: MSD Help!!!

I have the MSD6AL in my 442.  Read the last page of the instructions, I
think I remember this in the trouble shooting section.  My instructions
are back at home.  I had to replace the magnetic pickup thing on the
distributer - pain since you have to take the dist out then completely
apart.  I ended up buying the adjustable timing computer and Blaster
coil also.  This setup really requires a Comp 9000 dist or one of MSD's
dist.  When I look back at total cost of the new ignition system I get
mad at myself.  It is a little better than HEI but a lot more
complicated.  On the good side it makes a good kill switch since the
usual car theif wouldn't know what to wire hot.  It also has the retard
for the future supercharger.  Look --- I am helping out a longhorn.
Gig'em
Luke 71 442
>     I have installed a MSD 6A box on the car and am having an annoying
> problem - the dang thing won't shut off!  It starts
> beautifully...idles
> and runs nicely...drives the tach properly...everything except that
> when
> you turn off the switch it has absolutely no effect on the engine!  To
> stop the engine you have to a) unplug the power wire to the MSD

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Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:27:26 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Stuck you tongue out at the new guy...

>Just getting a feel of the mail list here, and I am awestruck....

I know; where else can you read about missing kidneys AND partake in a
"nah-nah-nah, my 14-sec Quad-4 is faster than your 789hp 307 Cutlass!"
thread lasting a whole month? ;)

Just kidding; would love a W-40 or W-41 myself; Usually, however, the list
is a bit more focused on HELPING people with their OLDSMOBILES, and less on
putting down other makes and models.

>1. When did the Cutlass switch from the ||| (line in middle) tail lights
>to the |*| (symbol in tail light)?

Check the FAQ: "It's in there!"

>3. What EXACTLY is the 5.0 V8, Olds 307, Olds 305, or Chevy 305?
>(Please excuse me, I am new to the Olds ring, I know Fords well, but
>liking Olds better)

There are two "5.0" V-8's installed in the third-generation Cutlasses: the
Olds 307 and the Chevy 305. Both are basically the same engine designs as
the legendary Olds 350 and Chevy 350, respectively, but with a smaller
piston bore, hence the reduced cubic inches. Both can be, and are regularly
swapped out for, their larger brothers, though the frame has holes to
accept either engine, so we prefer if they swap in an Olds 350.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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