
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 21 1997      Volume 01 : Number 915



rear speaker question
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
Re: Carpet Fuzzies
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
vacuum hose diagram for '70 olds 350
Re: Olds Questions
Re: Is it just me...
Holiday vs. Sports
Re: advice on after market
Re: Olds FAQ 4.0 availability
No Olds Performance Offerings
Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels
Octane booster
Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)
Re: 70 442 value ????
1973-75 Interchangeability
'75 VIN plate decode please?
Re: Olds Questions
'76 442 window sticker & owner's manual 
Re: rear speaker question
Re: Is it just me...
stock roller lifters for diesel
Re: distributors
Re: question on E heads
Re: Holiday vs. Sports
Re: Add-on Airco
Re: distributors
Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S
Olds f/s - Washington Post
Re: Wire colors-- sorry, forgot antenna wire
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels
Re: "Classy looking..."
Re: Wire colors-- what's what (Cutlass radio)
Re: Is it just me...
Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)
Trans replacement
header conversion
Re: Holiday vs. Sports
Re: Is it just me...
Re: Hydro Boost Brake Problems
Re: turbo 400 parts needed
Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)
Wanted :'69 442
Re: Is it just me...
Re: real '72 442
Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?
A trade
Re: Is it just me...
Date:	Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:08:45 -0000
Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: Front Springs for a 65 Cutlass
RE: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al 
Re: Olds go-fast parts
Re: A trade
Re: Olds Questions
[none]
455  S-10
Re: Olds Questions
New looks for Olds
Holiday vs. Sports Coupe
G body options
Values
Re: 70 442 value ????
Re: Olds Questions
Re: stock roller lifters for diesel
Re: 455  S-10
Re: Olds Questions
RE: Olds Toronado
Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels
RE: More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 11:58:52 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: rear speaker question

Asking about a 64 dynamic, where there is a rear speaker grill between the
upper part of the seats.  Curiosity, not wanting to pull out the seats to
get to the speaker, but is there any other way to get to that speaker, and
what size speaker is it?

G
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Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:11:51 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

> ya but wouldn't you like to tool around in a brand new aurora?????
> i know i would!!!!!!

I'd love to run around in that new Intrigue, too.  Sweet cars!  But,
even if I ~could~ shell out even the $15K for a strip-down new car, I'd
have trouble justifying the insurance and tags on one.  Spendy!  It
better have an incredible mileage figure for me to think about it... 
Like one that gets fuller (?) on its own as you drive....  Then, maybe
then, I'd think about the financing costs...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:12:51 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Carpet Fuzzies

Brad Bowles wrote:
> 
> Just installed a new carpet from Year One today.  Already the carpet
> is
> getting the new-carpet fuzzies.  I have installed other carpets where
> this has happened.  Is there any way to preventor fix this problem?

Vacuum it a few times.  As I recall, this is perfectly normal for
new-cuts.  It won't shed so much to create bald spots.

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:20:48 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

At 09:59 AM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>jim, sure you wouldn`t be interested in a trade for that w-455 alluminum
>intake?,  i have a complete 70 dual gate, oh! and a set of 70 sport mirrors.
> im sure i have some other goodies laying around also.    please reply
>steven.  w30442cs@aol.com
>

Steven

        What I'd trade for is a 70 W-455 Oldsmobile intake. Otherwise I'd
rather sell it outright.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:22:12 -0700
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: vacuum hose diagram for '70 olds 350

Hi,  I have a '70 olds cutlass conv, with a 350.  I bought
it last year and it's been sitting in my garage ever since.
I've been replacing parts and it's slowly coming around.

I haven't been driving it the last 6 months because the
reg expired and I know it won't pass smog because...

The engine rocks and shakes at idle.  I have done quite
a bit of research to find the problem with no fixes yet.

Everything was stock until the past weekend. It had the
stock dist/points, iron intake, rochester 2bbl.
The compression on the cyls are from 118-135.  
The vaccuum reading was around 16 with no noticable flux.
The car runs well past idle.  

Over the past weekend, I installed an Edelbrock Performer
and Holley 4160 4bbl carb and pretty much everything else
up top, new wires, hoses, gaskets, etc...  I don't think
it has any leaks, I was very carefull to install with 
proper gaskets, etc...

Seems to still have the problem...  Gosh I hope it's not
the valves.  

My question is this,  does anyone have a diagram that shows
correct vacuum hose placement and any emission related 
hose placement?  Since this problem has existed for years
on this car (according to previous owner) maybe something
is not "hooked up" properly.  It would be nice if it were
this simple, but who knows...

Thanks for everyones time...

Curtis

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:35:43 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

At 07:50 AM 10/20/97 -0600, you wrote:

Shayne

        The specs on the 403 are HP 180, compression ratio 8.5:1. Don't have
anything with the torque rating. Can anyone else help there? These all were
the same engine whether it was in a T/A or a Custom Cruiser.

Jim Chermack


>
>I have a few of questions:
>
>1) I have a 1970 Oldsmobile Rallye 350, I am looking for OAI hood pins (I am
>not sure of there exact name) because I have one on the left side and am
>missing one on the right hand side. I am worried about warping the hood if I
>drive too fast. Does anyone know where I could pick up a set of these OAI
>hood pins? 
>
>2) My Rallye 350 has a 403 in it. The guy I bought it from said that he
>wasn't sure where the original engine was. Should I look for a 1970 Rocket
>350 to put in it or should I just leave the 403 in it and supe it up? Does
>anyone know where I could pick a a cheap, powerful Rocket 350 from around 1970?
>
>3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
>403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up? 
>
>I am only 16 so I don't want to dish out TOO much cash. But I luv my
>Oldsmobiles.
>
>                                            P.S. What were the specs on a
>1973                                                  403? (Compression, hp?)
>Shayne Horn
>1970 Rallye 350
>1985 442
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:50:01 -0600
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

the best performing newer car I've driven was a '88 toyota GTS  v-6, 
turbo, 5-speed, black with red leather interior  salesman fastened his 
seatbelt at 120, just before I shifted into fifth   

I like my '89 cutlass supreme, but it is definately lacking in 
performance



Steven Saraceno wrote:
> 
> If Toyota can produce the Supra, Chevy the Vette and SS, and Ford the
> old SHO, then Olds could produce something, even with emmision laws.
> 
> Steven
> '70 442 conv

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 04:16:46 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Holiday vs. Sports

Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone can please explain to me the differenct
between the Holiday Coupe and the Sports Coupe.  I have a '69 Holiday
myslef and I am wondering if there is a difference in value, performance,
etc.  Thank you very much!

Daniel R. Gerow
'69 442
- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
General Manager
Stonehill College
- -----------------
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:42:31 -0500
From: "Jonah" <jn157@usa.net>
Subject: Re: advice on after market

Gary,
I was told that all 61 through 64 are completely interchangeable, but I'm
not 100% sure I also have a 64 D88! If you find out for sure let me know!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, October 20, 1997 2:50 PM
Subject: advice on after market


>Looking to get an aftermarket overflow tank for the radiator, are there any
>recommendations?  Plastic v. Aluminum or is it just for looks?
>
>Are there any differences between a '62 394 and a '64 394.  My 64 is shot,
>and I may be replacing it with a '62 and wondering what modifications might
>need to be made.
>
>Thanks,
>
>G
>          \\|//
>          (o o)
>~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>Gary M. Manton SAS Institute
>Business Solutions Division Phoenix, AZ  85012
>(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice         (602) 265-8585 - fax
> (888) 982-4079 - Pager
>
>"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
>if you stay in the middle of the road"
>~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 16:51:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: Olds FAQ 4.0 availability

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:

> (http://www.442.com), and a new sie courtesy of a friend of Clayton
> Pierce, http://nero.dyn.ml.org/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm.

Sorry, but due to slow transfer rates (the UIT classes all have homework
and I'm getting about 100bytes per second on a friggin t-1!) the FAQ will
not be up on this site until tomorrow.  Oh, and BTW, that address was
http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/oldsfaq4.htm

and a zipped copy will be available at:
http://nero.dyn.ml.org/da_bomb/oldsfaq/zip/oldsfaq4.zip

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:08:04 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: No Olds Performance Offerings

With all this talk about Oldsmobile's lack of a serious performance car
offering, I got to thinking.  If I had $30k or so to spend on ANY
automobile, what would it be?  To stay with Olds, I REALLY like the
Intrigue!  If only they put the supercharged 231 in it, though.  Ford's
Taurus SHO used to be nice, but they screwed it up by putting that lame V8
and automatic transmission under the hood.  The Nissan Maxima is probably
the ONLY foreign car I'd consider buying, but still...it's a Nissan!  Nope,
what I'd do with $30 is get a new copy of one of those Pontiac Firebird Ram
Air Formulas.  MAN, are those cars sweet!  Now, if I had $45k to spend, I'd
get a Pontiac Hurst Firebird by Lingenfelter.  That's a real cool
car...outruns a new C5 Corvette!  Only 9 have been produced as of yet and
from the article, it seems that if you haven't got one by now, you're outta
luck.  Talk about RARE!  You can read all about it on page 111 in the new
November issue of Car & Driver.  There is a large mention of the
Hurst-Oldsmobile connection in the 60's and 70's (and 80's).  Too cool!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 15:29:18 -0600
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels

Mike Schlottman wrote:

> 
> If I sell the SSIs I would probably want $120 plus shipping.
> If I sell the SSIIs I would probably want $95 plus shipping.
> 
>         mike

What size are the rims?   

Where are you located

Dustin

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:22:42 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Octane booster

I know that some time ago there was the blitz on engine additives, but now I
am curious as to the octane boosters that are on the market.  I have been
running unleaded 93 octane from Mobil or other named sources, and came
across a Union 76 that is selling 103 octane but it is leaded.  Now for a
stupid question, what would happen if I put that in my tank, and second,
what is the general consensus about the octane boosters?

G
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          (o o)                     
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Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:43:07 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)

Anybody know of a place called Wishkowski's in Chicago???

I am not sure of the spelling, but was told by someone that they are a
LARGE auto parts mail order house... (Or just another Urban Myth...)




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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:28:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Donald B Cart <dcart@micro.ti.com>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

Steven,
 If the only thing left to do on the car is interior which I assume is
included, it sounds like a $7k-$8k car IMHO. Of course, this is dependant
on other what other options are there, engine/trans condition, etc.

Good Luck,
Don

> 
>  i have a question for the list;  a good friend of mine is wanting to sell
> his 70 442 holiday coupe. he is wanting to sell it to me since were friends
> and he wants it to be taken care of.  he is retired and says he has lost
> interest in it. lately he has had some health problems and doesn`t feel like
> working on cars,ect.  he has been a paint and body man for 30 years, and was
> a machinist in the navy before that.  i say this because he is the best body
> man i have ever seen. he is a real artise.  the car has no rust, and never
> has. he is the second owner, he completely restored the car himself with the
> intention of keeping it. it has 60,000 actual miles on it, i saw the car when
> he first got it,and helped him do the clean up on it. it is an auto, buckett
> seats,rear spoiler, 3;23 posi.,nos grills,all new emblems, bumpers, chrome,
> ect. the car has been done with the exception of the interior since 1990, new
> interior still in box.  the car is a cream color with a gold interior, and
> looks like it just rolled off the show room floor.  i thought i would ask the
> fellow list members their oppinions on the value of a car like this one. i am
> a bit affraid to give him a bid without doing some research first as i
> wouldn`t want to offened or upset him.               your thoughts or
> comments would be greatly appreciated.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com
> 

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:38:56 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 1973-75 Interchangeability

I'm looking at a '75 Cutlass S for a parts car. I've heard that many
things in between 73-75 are interchangeable. I need to know the
following, if these parts can be swaped to a '73 Cutlass Supreme:

windshield
side windows
dash
trunklid
wheel well trim

What, if anything else?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:49:25 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: '75 VIN plate decode please?

Here is the plate:

ST 75 3AG73LAN474629 BDY
TR  19Y       72 724 PNT
    06C    A52   19X

They said this car is all original. It is a red color, has an inline-6,
no AC. Black interior/bench seat, 3 spd., 

From what I can tell from this plate, it's a 75 Olds Cutlass S, built in
Lansing on the 3rd week of June (?).

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:56:01 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

<Shayne wrote

I am only 16 so I don't want to dish out TOO much cash. But I luv my
Oldsmobiles.>

My two cents is that at 16 just enjoy the car you have and learn to save
some money.  Age thirty comes faster then you think.  If you do it right
you can enjoy this car and save for a numbers matching car or redo it
properly.  Don't get me wrong - working on the car is half the fun, I
don't know your financials but no one has told you that getting a car
from a #4 car to a #3 car will cost at least twice as much as purchasing
the #3 car outright in the first place.  Now, I will never probably buy
a #1 myself because I want to work on it, but listen - your 16 and
already have a '70 and '85.  Dont worry.

Steven

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:36:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: '76 442 window sticker & owner's manual 

Hello all,
I'm Gary and new to this list. I have the window sticker, owner's manual
and other misc. paper stuff that comes in a glove box of a new car. Its for
a '76 442 that I don't have any longer. If anyone needs this stuff email me
off the list. Its funny, this car sold for with options $5,867.40. Its
retail price was 3,998.80  oh, the good old days! I just paid $3,000 for my
'87 olds Cutlass that is 10 years old.

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:53:44 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: rear speaker question

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>


>Asking about a 64 dynamic, where there is a rear speaker grill between the
>upper part of the seats.  Curiosity, not wanting to pull out the seats to
>get to the speaker, but is there any other way to get to that speaker, and
>what size speaker is it?
>
Trunk? 

Daren

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:02:31 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

Steven Saraceno wrote:
> 
> If Toyota can produce the Supra, Chevy the Vette and SS, and Ford the
> old SHO, then Olds could produce something, even with emmision laws.
> 
> Steven
> '70 442 convwell...since olds won't make 1..I have to buy GM anyway...and my choice 
is a 1997 z-28 6 speed.....I have the flowmasters...speed chip...I have 
seen 150 with it..and thats working 5th for all its worth...but it gets 
24 to 26 MPG all day long on the highway...so if it can't be olds...just 
a suggestion...Hoagie

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:35:53 -0500
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: stock roller lifters for diesel

Hello,

	I have a set of roller lifters and guides from an 81 350 diesel.
These lifters fit in my 67 400 cu. block.  Is it posible to have the cam
reground to gas engine specs?  Is this feasable?  Thanks for any help


						John

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:35:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: distributors

Have a Pick-your Part in my back yard. How many do you want?
email privately to CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:38:17 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: question on E heads

At 04:59 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Any one have any info on E heads? are they any good valve size etc. Where do
>they rate in comparison to other heads. Thanks joe
>

Joe

       They are available in the big valve and small valve. They were used
in 70 only. They have small combustion chambers and decent intake and
exahust port. The C heads have a better exhaust port but other than D,F,H
heads they are some of the better street heads. They were also the first
head to have the vavle rotators on them and the deep spring pockets. The
same can be said about F heads too. They were 70 only and found one W-30
engines.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:43:14 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Holiday vs. Sports

At 04:16 AM 10/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

Daniel
       
         The holiday model is the one with no post between the front door
and the rear window. The sport coupe or the (pillared coupe) is the one with
the frame all around the front window on the door. The built less post
coupes but they were normally a cheaper version of the same car. The post
coupe is also suppose to be a little stronger with less flex in the car than
a holiday. Holiday coupes will normally bring more money for the same car.
Don't ask why.

Jim Chermack

 
>Hello all,
>
>I was just wondering if anyone can please explain to me the differenct
>between the Holiday Coupe and the Sports Coupe.  I have a '69 Holiday
>myslef and I am wondering if there is a difference in value, performance,
>etc.  Thank you very much!
>
>Daniel R. Gerow
>'69 442
>--
>Daniel R. Gerow
>WSHL-FM 91.3
>General Manager
>Stonehill College
>-----------------
>http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
>http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
>--------------------------------
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:04:20 -0500
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Add-on Airco

At 08:16 AM 10/20/97 +0100, you wrote:
>In some car-for-sale adds I see an add-on AC mentioned. My car doesn't
>have an Airco, but I would like one. So does my brother who owns a '56
>98 Holiday 4-door.
>I've looked at Fusicks, USA-parts, Brothers and Year One.
>Where can I get (a good) one?
>
>Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
>'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC


http://www.air-tique.com/
        or
http://www.vintageair.com/


The above are for Air-Tique   and    Vintage Air

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:27:31 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: distributors

Patton wrote:
> 
> Fellow motor heads, restorers, et al....
> 
>         Regarding my previous thread on point type distributors, I am paying
> $15.00
> US funds , third class postage paid. Trades are always welcome..

But the question still stands.  Why?

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:32:23 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Spotted a '68 Cutlass S F/S

Spotted a '68 Cutlass S for sale yesterday.
It is blue (faded to powder blue) with a blue interior (very clean).
No A/C, radio delete, SSI (tires dry rotting), has surface rust on the
roof and passenger side, but the body is very straight and solid.  Front
bumper need work and the rear bumper has some small dents.

Now the fun part, sign on the car says 15,000 original miles, must sell
$4900 obo.  Sounds like the overpriced cars at Carlisle.


- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:37:40 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Olds f/s - Washington Post

These appeared in the Washington Post over the weekend in case anyone is
interested.

'69 Toronado - Rare classic, exc orig cond, runs & looks great  $3950 
301-416-2444

'66 442 - rare sports coupe, 4 spd, red, no rust, #s match, exc cond 
$8,000/obo  703-754-1747

'70 442 HT - 1 owner, dual gate, always garaged, 76K, #s match, exc
cond  $9,000/obo  703-754-1747

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:36:00 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: Wire colors-- sorry, forgot antenna wire

For Cutlass, the antenna wire/remote amp wire is pink.  If you have a wire on your
radio that has power coming out of it when the radio is on, hook up that wire to
the pink wire coming out of the dash.



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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:45:11 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

       We would need more information on what other options the car has or
doesn't have to get a better idea what we're talking about.

Jim Chermack

At 02:23 PM 10/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
> i have a question for the list;  a good friend of mine is wanting to sell
>his 70 442 holiday coupe. he is wanting to sell it to me since were friends
>and he wants it to be taken care of.  he is retired and says he has lost
>interest in it. lately he has had some health problems and doesn`t feel like
>working on cars,ect.  he has been a paint and body man for 30 years, and was
>a machinist in the navy before that.  i say this because he is the best body
>man i have ever seen. he is a real artise.  the car has no rust, and never
>has. he is the second owner, he completely restored the car himself with the
>intention of keeping it. it has 60,000 actual miles on it, i saw the car when
>he first got it,and helped him do the clean up on it. it is an auto, buckett
>seats,rear spoiler, 3;23 posi.,nos grills,all new emblems, bumpers, chrome,
>ect. the car has been done with the exception of the interior since 1990, new
>interior still in box.  the car is a cream color with a gold interior, and
>looks like it just rolled off the show room floor.  i thought i would ask the
>fellow list members their oppinions on the value of a car like this one. i am
>a bit affraid to give him a bid without doing some research first as i
>wouldn`t want to offened or upset him.               your thoughts or
>comments would be greatly appreciated.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com
>

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 18:26:31 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels

> If I sell the SSIIs I would probably want $95 plus shipping.

Mike,
If you sell the SSIIs, I will take them.  Sorry, I don't have any extra SSIs or any caps.

I assume you want $95 for the set plus shipping on the SSIIs and they are 14x7 and need to be blasted and painted.

Let me know, thanks

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com
1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 18:34:40 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: "Classy looking..."

> Speaking of that, there's a 39 Olds street rod running around here

Hey, there also happens to be one running around here.  Except it's got a 455 and SSIIIs, but with ~Pontiac~ center caps.  Hey Dave Wyatt, it turns out the guy who owns this car, his dad lives across the street from me, as I've seen it parked there a few times.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 17:32:35 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: Wire colors-- what's what (Cutlass radio)

The black is negative ground, yellow is ignition on/accessory on 12V through radio
fuse, orange is constant 12V even when ignition is off, gray is for nighttime illumination
dimming, brown/tan and green/light green are front speakers, blue/light blue and
yellow/brown are rear speakers.  For all speaker wire sets on that car, the darker
color is the positive wire.  Any other questions, just e-mail me at anthony.marstall@mailcity.com.



Anthony Marstall

'69 Ch*vy Short Bed Pickup

'78 P*ntiac Grand Prix

'83 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham

'84 N*ssan 300ZX Turbo

'88 Olds Toronado Trofeo

'87 Olds Toronado Trofeo (current daily driver)





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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 19:54:27 -0500
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

At 09:19 AM 10/20/97 -0700, >Erik Nowacki wrote:
	
>Final question, has anyone heard anything about Shelby's new Cobra?  It's
>supposed to have an Aurora engine and be sold through Olds dealerships.
>It's not a 442, but it should generate some excitement in the Olds showrooms.

Just to add a little more salt to the wound:
Ford is working on re-releasing the 1956 Thunderbird as a new car in the
year 2000.  It would not be 100% 1956, as it would have to be year 2000
legal, but maybe OLDSMOBILE will hear rumor and start working on one of OUR
classics for new release.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:32:01 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)

Dan Lacey wrote:
> 
> Anybody know of a place called Wishkowski's in Chicago???
> 
Could be Warshawsky's or something like that.  AKA J.C. Whitney.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Trans replacement

Anyone know if a 4-speed can be replaced with a TH400 in a '69 442?  What has
to be changed, modified or substituted?  Who can do it...RIGHT?

Thanks to anyone for their advice.

gpmtrader@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:54:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>
Subject: header conversion

I am currently in the process of putting a 69' 455 into a mid 80's
cutlass. My question is does anyone know where I can buy a set of headers
that will fit? 

Ben Cook

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:07:59 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Holiday vs. Sports

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I was just wondering if anyone can please explain to me the differenct
> between the Holiday Coupe

"Hardtop" model.  Roll all the side windows down and it's all open.  No
frames around the windows.

> and the Sports Coupe.

"Sedan" model.  Roll all the side windows down and you've still got frames in
the way.

>  I have a '69 Holiday
> myslef and I am wondering if there is a difference in value,

Holiday models tend to have a higher value than Sports models.  They were
more popular when new.

> performance,

But when they were new, the serious performance guys went for the sports
models as they were always a little lighter then a Holiday model.  Holidays
needed a little more reinforcement due to the "open air" design.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:50:50 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

Dustin Cross wrote:
> 
> the best performing newer car I've driven was a '88 toyota GTS  v-6,
> turbo, 5-speed, black with red leather interior  salesman fastened his
> seatbelt at 120, just before I shifted into fifth
> 
> I like my '89 cutlass supreme, but it is definately lacking in
> performance
> 
> Steven Saraceno wrote:
> >
> > If Toyota can produce the Supra, Chevy the Vette and SS, and Ford the
> > old SHO, then Olds could produce something, even with emmision laws.
> >
> > Steven
> > '70 442 conv


Steve,
	you need to get out more...our  good ol LT-1 american muscle 
cars can romp that jap crap any day of the week...almost as good as the 
old days...but you sure couldn't  get 25 MPG doing it...but I do enjoy 
dusting a mustang from time to time....6 beats 5 any day of 
week...Hoagie

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:20:10 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Hydro Boost Brake Problems

am39 wrote:

> Hi All
> I normally don't waste much bandwidth here but I really need some assistance
> with this one.

Please pardon me for the bandwidth I am about to use up here, but this an important
subject to this gentleman and there may be others on the list that can benefit from
this knowledge.  If you are not interested in learning how to fill and bleed this
brake system, please hit delete now.

> I have a 86 Custom Cruiser wagon with what I believe is a one
> year only brake system. I believe it is called the Hydro-Boost brakes.

Actually its called the Powermaster system.  We had Hydro-Boost on our '81 C/S
Diesel.  This is probably the same system.  Don't know for sure, 'cause the '81 has
been gone for almost 10 years and I never really paid that much attention to it
(except that you could push through the resistance and push the pedal to the floor.

> Unfortunatly I don't have a 1986 Olds manual, they were out
> of stock so I just purchased an 85 manual as I was sure there was no changes
> in the car(I was Wrong). Does anyone have a manual that this system is covered
> in so I can find out for sure the proper procedures for bleeding or trouble
> shooting this system.

I brought a manual home from the shop today for the '86 Caprice.  Read it over
lunch.  Sounds like you still have air in the lines, or maybe not enough fluid in
the reservoir.  The powermaster system has a different way of filling the system,
which may be some of the problem.  Filling and bleeding procedures follow:

POWERMASTER BLEED AND FILL

FLUID FILLING POWERMASTER

NOTICE: Bench bleed master cylinder portion of Powermaster before installing unit
on vehicle.

1. Fill both sides of reservior to the full marks on the inside of the reservoir.
Use only clean, new brake fluid meeting DOT specifications shown on the reservoir
cover.

2. Turn ignition "ON".  With the pump running, the brake fluid level in the booster
side of the reservoir should decrease as brake fluid is moved to the accumulator.
If the booster side of the reservoir begins to run dry, add brake fluid to just
cover the reservoir pump port until the pump stops.

NOTICE: Pump must shut off within 20 seconds.  Turn ignition off after 20 seconds
have elapsed.  Check for leaks of flow back into reservoir from booster return
port.

3. Properly install reservoir cover assembly to reservoir.

4. Turn ignition "OFF" and apply and release brake pedal 10 times.  Remove
reservoir cover and adjust booster fluid level to full mark.

5. Turn ignition "ON."  Pump will run and refill accumulator.  Make sure that pump
does not run longer that 20 seconds and that fluid level remains above pump sump
port in reservoir.

6. Properly install reservoir cover.  With ignition "ON" apply and release brake
pedal to cycle pump on and off 10-15 cycles and remove air from booster section.
Do not allow pump to run for more than 20 seconds for each cycle.  Recheck high and
low reservoir fluid levels per steps 4 and 5.  Check Powermaster Diagnosis section
if fluid levels do not stabilize high and low levels or if pump runs more than 20
seconds.  Pump should not cycle without brake applications.

BLEEDING MASTER CYLINDER SECTION OF POWERMASTER

MANUAL METHOD

1. Fill reservoir to indicated full marks inside reservoir with brake fluid as
specified on cover.  Properly install reservoir cover assembly.

2. Remove brake line connectors from master cylinder outlet ports and allow
cylinder to gravity bleed until fluid runs out of the brake line ports.  Reconnect
brake lines to master cylinder ports.  Tighten connector closest to cowl.

3. Have assistant slowly apply brake pedal to full travel at approximately 50
pounds force (no power assist).  Tighten forward brake line connector, then release
pedal fully.  Wait 5 seconds.  Reapply brake pedal and hold.  Open forward
connector 1/2 turn to purge air from connector.  Tighten connector, then release
brake pedal again.

4. Repeat step 3 until all air is purged from forward connector port.  Tighten
connector to specifications.  Maintain reservoir brake fluid levels.

5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 except at rear brake line connector. (I had to read this a
few times until I understood it.  I thing what they mean is do the rear this time
instead of the front.  They could have worded this better.  I originally thought it
meant everything except the rear connector, but there wouldn't be anything else,
would there?)

6 With brake line, cylinders and master cylinder fully bled, check pedal travel and
observe that brake warning indicator does not light during hard apply.

I believe this last part leads directly to your complaint.  Hope this helps to
solve your problem.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If there is no God, who pops up the next Kleenex in the box?

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:50:39 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: turbo 400 parts needed

I need a flex plate, shifter  and driveshaft for my 69 442 conv. that I
am switching to an automatic.  If anyone local(metro detroit) can hook
me up  I would be grateful.  

patrickd@wwnet.com
69 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:20:11 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)

Dan Lacey wrote:
> 
> Anybody know of a place called Wishkowski's in Chicago???
> 
> I am not sure of the spelling, but was told by someone that they are a
> LARGE auto parts mail order house... (Or just another Urban Myth...)
*****

Yes Worchowski's(Sp? but close) is here in Chicago.  I remember many
times parking my '70 Buick Wildcat in the lot across the street to
purchase a $5 part praying the whole time inside that my car wouldn't be
stripped (located on the south side).  They are a wholesale autoparts
store that sells everything and anything - and a lot of crap.  I will
look for the correct spelling and post it.  They are for real but I am
not sure what they will have for older cars any more.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Wanted :'69 442

Subj:	WANTED: 1969 Olds 4-4-2
Date:	10/17/97
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

WANTED:  1969 Olds 4-4-2, Trophy Blue or Tahitian Mist, White convertible or
Antique Parchment Hardtop, Antique Parchment interior, PS, PB, auto with
cruise control, buckets, console, A/C, AM/FM stereo, SSII wheels, Class 2
condition (sorry...no project cars);  "finder's fee".  gmptrader@aol.com.

WANTED:  Complete Cruise Control to retrofit if above car does not have
cruise control.

Thanks to anyone for their help!  gpmtrader@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 20:10:04 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

>  but someone show me an inspiring "new" car.  By inspiring I
> >mean bold looks/apperance, power (even brute power), a car that does NOT
> >look like a Japaneese creation.  Sure, all the clean air laws put a

How 'bout a Firehawk, or even the WS-6 Formula, a Saleen Mustang or the aforementioned Viper.
There's always a 'vette

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:40:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: real '72 442

In a message dated 97-10-20 17:30:02 EDT, you write:

<< from the above i take that you also believe that there are no
 "real" '72 442s. so if i take any ole 72 cutlass s  and add the 
 442 options it will be as "real" as its going to get? are you 
 saying the only "real" 442s are the 71s and prior when it was
 a model by its self?
  >>
Unless you own a W-30. the X in the vin code stands for the 442 W-30 option

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 20:24:33 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a new Olds?

> I sell new ....,GMC, ...

What about a Yukon or Jimmy????


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:59:35 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: A trade

Hope this does not offend anyone, but I need to give it a shot:

I have in my possession a 4V manifold and carburetor (correct numbers)
from a 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 CU IN engine.  I am looking for an even
up trade for a correct numbers 4V manifold and carb for my 72 Cutlass
Supreme.  

Also, I have a 2V aircleaner from a 1964-1967 pontiac. Would like to
trade it also if possible.  Anyone with any poncho connections please
let me know.

Thanks

Joe

72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:01:06 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Is it just me...

> Steve,
>         you need to get out more...our  good ol LT-1 american muscle
> cars can romp that jap crap any day of the week...almost as good as the
> old days...but you sure couldn't  get 25 MPG doing it...but I do enjoy
> dusting a mustang from time to time....6 beats 5 any day of
> week...Hoagie

Sorry, It was only a suggestion.  I prefer the American cars any day
myself.  I have raced my SHO many times in autocross' and just recently
have had a better raw time than all 9 Mustang GT's entered.  It is kind
of an image/practicallity issue.  I much rather be in my '70 442 with my
wife and kids and get the thumbs up respect then in a vette getting the
middle finger from the punks next to me who just inched too close to the
car just to piss me off.  When I'm older (or richer - whichever comes
first) I'll buy a 69 H/0, 61 ambulence and the latest Vette.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:08:45 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Date:	Mon, 20 Oct 1997 20:08:45 -0000

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:12:26 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Mail Order Parts (Wishkowski??)

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Dan Lacey wrote:
> >
> > Anybody know of a place called Wishkowski's in Chicago???
> >
> Could be Warshawsky's or something like that.  AKA J.C. Whitney.
> 
> Mike Rothe
 
Good one It is one in the same.  Couldn't find the number.  I'll look it
up at work tomorrow and post it.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 18:45:55 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

Steven,

> looks like it just rolled off the show room floor.  i thought i would ask the
> fellow list members their oppinions on the value of a car like this one. i am
> a bit affraid to give him a bid without doing some research first as i
> wouldn`t want to offened or upset him.               your thoughts or
> comments would be greatly appreciated.

In checking with:

Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile 1897-1997

6     700  Parts Car
5   2,150  Restorable
4   3,600  Good
3   7,200  Very Good
2  12,600  Fine
1  18,000  Excellent

** Add 30% for W-30
** Add 20% for 455 when not standard

Given your description it sounds like somewhere in between 3 and 2.

Hope this helps.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 13:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Front Springs for a 65 Cutlass

In a message dated 97-10-18 11:39:40 EDT, you write:

<< I got mine at National Parts Depot for my SX convertible...they 
 were almost half the price....its great that all "A" bodies are 
 interchangable on frame and suspension parts >>

Hi Hoagie -

Thanks for the response.  What's the phone # at National Parts Depot?  

Tom SImmons

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 14:32:37 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al 

I bought the Comp Cam High Energy adjustable rocker kit. Comes with the
studs, guide plates, roller rockers and push rods. The system installs
easily, but the instructions are not very accurate. Someone mentioned
about the tightening the locker nuts. I took the instructions for true
and noticed that they needed to be tightened a little more. The
instructions mention 1/2 turn from finger tight but now that I read, I
think 3/4 to 1 turn may be required. A little expensive but should have
done this long ago. When you use a performance cam there's no way the
stock pushrods are going to line up. This kit will help. 

I have a question, how did you guys, the ones that installed these kits
adjust the rockers for the first time. I've experienced that adjusting
them while running is the best but how do you stop the oil from getting
everywhere? I'm thinking of getting another pair of rocker covers and
cutting a large slot on top. This way no oil gets out . Any comments...?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com[SMTP:AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Saturday, October 18, 1997 10:37 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Roller Rockers - Steel Tip Vs. Al 
> 
> I went with the Crane set up it is a steel roller rocker, screw in
> studs and
> guide plates,also cam with push rods.I believe It was under $200 and
> no
> machining was necc.
> 

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:24:06 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: Olds go-fast parts

I remember a place about ten years ago called Kenne Bell Buick/Olds. 
Are they still in business?  Used to have all kinds of performance
parts.

Steven
'70 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 21:20:10 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: A trade

> from a 1968 Pontiac Firebird 400 CU IN engine.  I am looking for an even
> up trade for a correct numbers 4V manifold and carb for my 72 Cutlass

Joe, what size engine is the intake for you're looking for?  I have a 455.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus other

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:46:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

The hood pins are available from Year One (1-800-950-9503) at $49 per pair.
 Swap meets would be a good place to find a 350.  They are still plentiful in
salvage yards, too.  A properly built Q-Jet would work well on your 403.

In a message dated 97-10-20 12:53:53 EDT, you write:
> I have a few of questions:
>  
>  1) I have a 1970 Oldsmobile Rallye 350, I am looking for OAI hood pins (I
am
>  not sure of there exact name) because I have one on the left side and am
>  missing one on the right hand side. I am worried about warping the hood if
I
>  drive too fast. Does anyone know where I could pick up a set of these OAI
>  hood pins? 
>  
>  2) My Rallye 350 has a 403 in it. The guy I bought it from said that he
>  wasn't sure where the original engine was. Should I look for a 1970 Rocket
>  350 to put in it or should I just leave the 403 in it and supe it up? Does
>  anyone know where I could pick a a cheap, powerful Rocket 350 from around 
> 1970?
>  
>  3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
>  403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up? 

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (LG4 305, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:51:18 -0500
From: jaoder@navix.net
Subject: [none]

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 22:07:31 -0600
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: 455  S-10

I was going through some of my old magazines the other day     in the april '91 issue of 
"hot truck" I found a S-10 that had been mated with a '70 toronado  the engine sits in 
the middle of the box (talk about easy to work on!!)  the radiator is mounted in the 
front of the box   it has dualy fenders to copensate the width  of the toro drivetrain  
 the article never said what they were using the engine compartment for.

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:04:19 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Beverley Horn wrote:
 
> 3) What would be the cheapest but best hi-performance carb to put on the
> 403? Is the 403 a good engine to supe up? 
                                             P.S. What were the specs on
                                                 403? (Compression, hp?)
Hi Beverly,
I have a 403 in my 87 Cutlass, and it performs very well.
The 403, stock, is only about 170 hp, but over 300 ft-lbs of torque.
This is what it has in it now:
- -.030 over bore
- -72 350 heads
- -Edelbrok performer RPM intake
- -Crane cam 
  (.480"/284 degrees (intake), .496"/292 degrees (exhaust) advertised)
- -Crane lifters
- -Crane valve springs
- -Summit True roller timing chain-cast piston 9.5:1

With these not-so-expensive upgrades, my car runs mid 13's.
Unless you are going for an all-original car, I'd keep the 403!
 

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:03:43 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: New looks for Olds

Caught a (late) promotional infomercial for GM the other night - they
introduced Olds with the comment "having just celebrated the 100th
anniversary, Oldsmobile now looks to heading away from the past into the
future" (sic), the impression was that Olds is playing catchup to the
generic trendy import basic car appearances.  Yeah right.  Buick sounded
more hip with their supercharging, etc.  It was a very anemic overview of
all of GM actually.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:18:03 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Holiday vs. Sports Coupe

Hey guys,

I was wondering if someone could help me end a little knowledge conflict
that I am having.  I have a '69 442 Holiday Coupe and am wondering what
the difference(s) is/are between the Holiday and the Sport Coupes.
Meaning:  looks, performance, value, anything else?  Thanks alot!

Daniel
'69 442

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:14:07 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: G body options

Help!
Someone said he had a list of all options for an 80's Cutlass Salon.
Your message was deleted.  You asked for a fax number, and I have one now. 
Please e-mail me back and I'll give it to you then.  Thanks

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 21:16:46 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Values

Hey Chris - outta curiosity here, what do they show as prices for the '66
Toro?  And a '64 Cutlass?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 00:15:16 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: 70 442 value ????

mrada wrote:
> 
> Steven,
> 
> > looks like it just rolled off the show room floor.  i thought i would ask the
> > fellow list members their oppinions on the value of a car like this one. i am
> > a bit affraid to give him a bid without doing some research first as i
> > wouldn`t want to offened or upset him.               your thoughts or
> > comments would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> In checking with:
> 
> Standard Catalog of Oldsmobile 1897-1997
> 
> 6     700  Parts Car
> 5   2,150  Restorable
> 4   3,600  Good
> 3   7,200  Very Good
> 2  12,600  Fine
> 1  18,000  Excellent
> 
> ** Add 30% for W-30
> ** Add 20% for 455 when not standard
> 
> Given your description it sounds like somewhere in between 3 and 2.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Chris Sparks


What is the criteria for "good" vs "very good" vs "fine" etc...

Thanks

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

In a message dated 97-10-21 00:02:29 EDT, you write:

<< >What is the E-mail address, snail mail address, or Phone number for the
 Paddock? So I can get those hood pins? If I put on a set of 350 heads, how
 much will my compression end up being? HP?
 
 Shayne Horn
 1970 Rallye350
 1985 442
  >>
Paddock west
1663 plum lane 
box 8547
redlands, CA 92375
phone #1-800-854-8532

Sorry I sent that twice, accidently bumped the send..  If you add 72 or
earlier 350 cylinder heads, your  compression will be abound 9.5:1-10:1, it
will increase your HP considerably, though you'll probably want to add a cam
that can take advantage of that high compression.. if matched with an
edelbrock intake, I'm guessing around 300 hp, though that's a really rought
estimate and depends on the parts that you use.

DrkSole
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Detla 88 Custom

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:17:19 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: stock roller lifters for diesel

John Foster wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>         I have a set of roller lifters and guides from an 81 350
> diesel.
> These lifters fit in my 67 400 cu. block.  Is it posible to have the
> cam
> reground to gas engine specs? 

Hmm...  More on the Olds Rollers.  Are these the same as the mid 80's
307's???  ~Somebody's~ gonna hafta try using 'em sometime.  Did anyone
ever come up with more info on ~that~ possibility?  Could be a future
FAQ topic if someone finds out...


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             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 1997 23:20:23 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 455  S-10

Dustin Cross wrote:
> 
> I was going through some of my old magazines the other day     in the
> april '91 issue of
> "hot truck" I found a S-10 that had been mated with a '70 toronado
> the engine sits in

Wow!!!  Sound's awesome.  It didn't (by chance) happen to be loaded up
with Bravada trim???? :)

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 01:34:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: DrkSole@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Questions

In a message dated 97-10-21 00:02:29 EDT, you write:

<< >What is the E-mail address, snail mail address, or Phone number for the
 Paddock? So I can get those hood pins? If I put on a set of 350 heads, how
 much will my compression end up being? HP?
 
 Shayne Horn
 1970 Rallye350
 1985 442
  >>
Paddock West
1663 Plum lane

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 04:08:24 UT
From: "Thomas Conlon" <SysEng@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Olds Toronado

Hi!  I'm new to the list.  I have just bought a '68 Toronado (standard) - and 
I am rather pleased with the engine, I must say.  A few things bother me about 
the car however, the most prevalent one being the fact that the surfaces of 
what looks like the bearing or interface between the front wheels and the cv 
joints (haven't pulled the wheels yet - and I am used to rear wheel drive 
chevys) are coated with a thick grease, perhaps they were leaking and just 
patched... can someone give me a few pointers on what I can expect in terms of 
basic maintenance problems especially with the transmission and cv joint 
assemblies?  I am a little intimidated with that all.  Thank you.  Also, I 
have found USA Parts Supply in Manassas, VA, on the net, they seem to have an 
extensive collection of hard to find parts.  Has anyone had any experience 
with them as a supplier?  Right now I need the motor and gear assembly for the 
driver's side power window (I think - the window goes only up to about 1/8" 
from the top if you push it, 1/4" if you don't), chrome trim for the bottom of 
the rear window and weatherstripping for it, a driver's side mirror (it's 
totally broken, cables for the controller are cut, and the little joystick 
thingie was removed), a battery tray, and perhaps the sheet metal assembly 
just under the battery tray - looks like an old unsealed type battery leaked 
out - so if anyone has these parts, you can also let me know!  Thanks a lot. 

- -Tom Conlon
syseng@msn.com

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Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 03:47:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: sale or trade SSI or SSII wheels

In a message dated 97-10-20 17:04:47 EDT, you write:

<<  I
 currently have 5 SSII or III wheels, with 4 trim rings >>


Hi BTW -

I'd be interested in the rings.  What kind of condition are they in?  Are you
willing to sell them alone, apart from the wheels?

Tom Simmons
Great Falls, VA
(703)444-3719

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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 97 05:01:24 UT
From: "Thomas Conlon" <SysEng@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: More Cooling Problems (was "Good Samaritan"...)

Since it has a circulation problem (right?), it's either gotta be the
thermostat or the water pump...I'd appreciate some
advice...unfortunately, time is of the esscence...I don't want my Olds
sitting in the driveway of someone who owns a Honda and a VW!  

Pull the thermostat and see if it's rusted.  It's generally pretty easy to do, 
right where the top radiator hose goes in the engine block.  There is usually 
an enclosure with a couple bolts holding it in.

- -tc
syseng@msn.com

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