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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 28 1997      Volume 01 : Number 977



Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
Re: partsvoice
Re: UNBOUNCE: 1969 442
Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
Re: Looking for OEM Wheels
Re: Parts
Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s
Cars F/S
Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever
RE: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
1965 Super Rocket
the 1965 "Super Rocket" 425
Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an
My Slant on Recent Subjects
Re: EGR question
Re: EGR question
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976
Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)
Re: Stroking an Olds?
Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an
Re: [Fwd: Convertible Top Replacement]
Re: fastest Olds
parts voice answer
It wants to follow me home
RE: Read end oil capacity - JUST for BENJI
Re: Power Antennas
Re: EGR question
RE: Read end oil capacity
Re: It wants to follow me home
Re: It wants to follow me home
Gold - True color?
Re: Read end oil capacity
ADMIN-Small suggestion-No flack please
Edelbrock Olds Head - Tech Info
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976
1971 Cutlass, Intro and asking for pictures
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976
Re: Oldsmobiles Available-'69 Toro
Re: PARTS: New Items
Re: Chrome Bumpers
Re: '67 442 with 455 and 200r4 transmission/ Edelbrock Mani
350 rebuild

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:03:49 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:

>>>Hey evidently it doesn't take alot to be an ASE Master Tech./ Gm Master
>>>Tech. if you say I lost all my brain cells.

That's not exactly what I was trying to say...it just seemed like common
sense was in short supply.  It's not very bright to be cutting up
Oldsmobiles in the presence of fellow Olds enthusiasts, especially when
a few of them own the caliber that could leave your Heavy Chevy sittin'
at the light...

>>>I do own an olds, and also work at an olds dealer. My street driven olds 
runs
11.90's no >>>bottle at Bristol International Dragway.

If I owned an Olds such as yours, and have taken the time/$ to make it
run high-11's, the last thing I'd be doing is cutting it up.

>>>Maybe that's too slow you might want to try myChevy
>>>its quite a bit faster, or my Buick GN?
>>>Sorry we weren't talking about Buicks.

G*dd*amn right...

- ----------------------------------------
S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

(Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:09:14 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: partsvoice

At 10:55 AM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
Jeff

        Try my area code. 1-800-328-8766 (access 88757).

Jim

>  jim   tried to get you pats voice, recording says it's disconnected?
>   maybe it won't work in area code 770?
>
>      jeff atl  olds guy....
>

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:46:30 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: 1969 442

I believe it's probably a replacement motor put in by a dealer.  A
replacement  would be less the VIN stamp.  Chances are a blown 400 as
happened to many '68-'69 400s.  Even if  a '70 motor was put in a '69, it
still should have been given the VIN stamp.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

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> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1969 442
> Date: Thursday, November 27, 1997 12:18 PM
>
> Not on the list, but interesting...
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:PSROACH442@aol.com
> Subject: 1969.5 442
>
> I have a 1969 4-4-2 with a strange engine config. The motor is a '70 455
with
> all the correct stamps and numbers except where the VIN info is supposed
to
> be is blank. The tranny and rear match the car numbers. The motor numbers
> match a 70 4-4-2.
> I have heard that motors can be switched at the factory if the orignal is
> defective and this is a late production year model. What are the chances
that
> this is a factory change?  I have taked to the two previous owners and
they
> said they made no motor changes. Does this change the classification or
> desirability of the car
>
> Thanks,    PSROACH442@AOL.COM

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:14:00 -0500
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

 Maybe that's too slow you might want to try my
> Chevy its quite a bit faster, or my Buick GN? Sorry we weren't talking
> about Buicks.

And we WON'T talk about them either.  You know, I smell a "my car is faster
than you're car" attitude coming on.  Nip it in the bud right now, for
we've been through this stuff recently.  Don't know if you caught the
warning from Greg, but if this stuff gets out of hand, the instigators will
be gone.  In fact, if it starts up again, I'm gonna try out that little
e-mail blocker thing that looks for phrases, like names associated with
them.  Then if you ever have a legitimate question, I'll never see it.

I have a question for you.  I don't give two shakes about the other cars,
but, could you share some information on what got your Olds into the
sub-12's?   I'm sure more than a few of us would be interested in that.
Let's talk OLDS!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:15:17 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

At 11:43 PM 11/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
Mike

        I couldn't agree with you more. I think you summed everything up in
your comments.

Jim Chermack


>Then it is your choice to leave the list if you desire.  You certainly do
>not have to listen to someone trashing Ch*vys.  But if you stay, I
>guarantee you'll hear more of it.   Remember this:  Ch*vy , F*rd, AMC, or
>M*par doesn't get preferential treatment on this OLDSMOBILE list.  If it
>doesn't say OLDS on it, it's just another car.  We tend to poke fun at
>anything non-Olds, no bad blood or confrontational tones intended.  We are
>a select group of people that are here on this list to revere OLDSMOBILE, a
>GM marque.  The FIRST GM marque, by the way.  Ch*vy can never be first in
>that department. We don't care about catering to the other marques,
>regardless if it's GM or not.  Nothing bad against them, but, if you want
>to talk about the other makes, please go to one of THEIR lists.  Unless of
>course it's something that can be also utilized for Oldsmobiles.  I can't
>speak for others on this list, but that's why I joined it, because it was
>supposed to only be about OLDSES!!!   Ain't it cool?
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:22:05 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for OEM Wheels

At 07:39 PM 11/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
Kurt

        We've looked at everything we have. There are no "R" coded wheels.
Sorry. We do have a nice set of plain 14x5.5 or 14x6 steel wheels.

Jim Chermack

>I am looking for a decent set of 14 x 6 "R" code steel wheels for my '66
>F-85 Deluxe.  Also a set of hubcaps.
>
>Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
>'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
>'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
>'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:23:30 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Parts

At 09:54 PM 11/22/97 -0800, you wrote:
Lisa

        The center of the front bumper will interchange from the 66 to the
67. The 68 won't.

Jim Chermack


>Grille and center piece for the front bumper.  '67 doesn't interchange with
>'66 or '68.
>
>Let me know - and thanks.
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
>Cruiser (twin hauler)
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>
>*** NEW ***
>Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:48:37 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '72 442 oil pressure, voltage and temp gauges...?'s

At 12:36 AM 11/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
Don

        Sounds like the timing is not set properly. Too retarted I think.
That would cause the car to run hotter, but it should spin the engine
easily. The best think I've found to crank high compression engines over
when they are hot is to add a 850-1000 amp battery and very good cables with
a heavy duty solenoid spring from a GM motor home. Check your starter and
solenoid too. Should make a big difference.

Jim Chermack


>Jim, this is probably a stupid question, but when my 69 350 4bbl, 4spd
>Cutlass was running last the temperature guage (aftermarket but no
>reason to doubt it's accuracy) would run 220 and up on a hot Alabama day
>with the a/c on  it slow traffic.  Would the same temperature range you
>mentioned apply to this car also?  Car had 55k on it at the time and ran
>great.  It did however 'diesel' when the ignition was turned off.  Other
>problem I remember was the starter did not always like to perform as it
>should when the motor was hot.
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:08:11 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Cars F/S

Here are some of the cars we have for sale.

66 442 F-85 Post Coupe W-30 Track-Pac, 24,000 miles, Topical Turqoise,
fresh 455 w/Tri-Carb, 4 spd, 3.73 Anti-Spin rear, mint interior, new
quarters, mint fenders. Car is in Uro Prime. Rechromed bumpers, OAI setup,
steel wheels, dog dish hubcaps, Radio Delete car. Needs finishing. Asking
$8500.00  If completed asking $13,500.

70 442 Hardtop, 455 (numbers match), Auto, White w/gold stripes, mint gold
interior and vinyl top, W-25 OAI, 3.23:1 open rear, SSI's, nice car. Asking
$7000.00

71 442 Hardtop, Silver, 455 (numbers don't match, correct year), 4 spd, disc
brakes, A/C, Sport Wheel, SSII's, Wing, nice bucket interior (black), new
vinyl top (black), nice grilles, 3.42:1 anti-spin, in primer. Asking $5500 OBO.

72 Cutlass Supreme 2 door Hardtop, 350 4 bbl, auto, A/C, Medium Green, White
painted top, SSII's, duals, AM/FM, disc brakes,  very nice driver or very
easy show car. Asking $6000.00

72 Cutlass Superme Convertible, Bamboo, Tan buckets w/console, 350 4 bbl,
auto, A/C, SSII's, nice driver. Asking $5000.00

Jim Chermack
(757)474-0869

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 01:56:23 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: reply to whoever

In a message dated 97-11-27 22:05:14 EST, you write:

<< QUIT the list.
 Fred Kemp >>
I guess you didnt see my reply,,,,,,,,,,
Bernie
67 442 conv
67 f-85

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 00:55:53 -0600
From: "Russell G. Baker" <rgbaker@wt.net>
Subject: RE: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

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In the great immortal words of Rodney King. I would like to say " Can't =
we all just get along? ".=20
I'm a newbee to this list and would like to point out that one thing all =
GM, Fords, and Mopars have in common.  They all are American!  This =
great country of ours has made some fine ground pounding, muscle =
flexing, babe attracting machines.  I like American.  So if it's GM, =
Ford, or a Mopar, I'll probably look in my rear view mirror just to get =
a second glance.

Is it just me or the Prozac?,
 =20
rgbaker@wt.net
"Speed is your friend ! "
Russ
69' 442 Convertible
67' Mustang GT fastback


- -----Original Message-----
From:MROTHE [SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
Sent:Thursday, November 27, 1997 10:43 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

Well for one thing I am tired of hearing everyone on here throw off on
chevys.Ok maybe I was a little harsh but after all oldsmobile is a Gm
product just as chevy.=20

Then it is your choice to leave the list if you desire.  You certainly =
do
not have to listen to someone trashing Ch*vys.  But if you stay, I
guarantee you'll hear more of it.   Remember this:  Ch*vy , F*rd, AMC, =
or
M*par doesn't get preferential treatment on this OLDSMOBILE list.  If it
doesn't say OLDS on it, it's just another car.  We tend to poke fun at
anything non-Olds, no bad blood or confrontational tones intended.  We =
are
a select group of people that are here on this list to revere =
OLDSMOBILE, a
GM marque.  The FIRST GM marque, by the way.  Ch*vy can never be first =
in
that department. We don't care about catering to the other marques,
regardless if it's GM or not.  Nothing bad against them, but, if you =
want
to talk about the other makes, please go to one of THEIR lists.  Unless =
of
course it's something that can be also utilized for Oldsmobiles.  I =
can't
speak for others on this list, but that's why I joined it, because it =
was
supposed to only be about OLDSES!!!   Ain't it cool?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:10:14 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: 1965 Super Rocket

If AOL cradhes on me again I will most likely rethink the whole nothion of
sending this info.

BTW: So far as I know some of these specs are NOT in the FAQ, but then, even
though I have it printed out in a three ring binder (I highly recommend this
((but have a spare printer ink cartridge before you start!)) ) I have not
consulted it since the last IVOC car show that I was at (before Lasning).

Warning: some of the concepts expressed here are conclusions and intuitions
based on what little I do know.

Anyway, by the year 1964, Oldsmobile had thoroughly exhausted all performance
possibilities of it's existing small block. The maximum displacement of 394
cid was available as early as 1959 (according to recent posts), so Oldsmobile
came out with a new big block and a redesigned small block in 1965 (the
smallblock maximum of 403 cid applies to post 1964 small blocks). The new
small block began life as it's previous incarnation - with a relatively
moderate displacement (330) compared to what would eventually be the more
common displacement - 350cid.

The big block of 1965 was initially available only in 425 cid with a 400 cid
quickly added for the F-85  4 4 2 models (else why would some chassis manuals
not include the 400cid engine?). The highest performing version went into the
Starfire with slightly lesser versions going into the Ninety-Eights and
Dynamic 88's. Specifications were as follows;

All 1965 425cid blocks are "A" castings and have 45 degree cam bank angle. I
have no knowlege of what the bank angle is on 1965  4 4 2  400cid engines.

Starfire engine
(available only at extra cost on Ninety-Eight and Dynamic 88 Delta)
370 h.p.
470 ft-lbs torque
compression 10.5-to-1
Rochester 4GC (4bbl)

Super Rocket
(Standard on Ninety-Eight and an optional extra on Dynamic 88 models)
360 h.p.
470 ft-lbs torque
compresion 10.25-to-1
Rochester 4GC (4bbl)

Super Rocket (310 h.p.)
(standard on Dynamic 88)
310 h.p.
450 ft-lbs torque
compression 10.25-to-1
rochester 2GC (2bbl)

Other specs for the Super Rocket: forged crankshaft (this is from the sales
brochure, so yes, it is a fact!), integrally-cast valve guides (whatever that
means), wedge-shaped combustion chamber for ultra-high compression.

The Starfire power plant has a special high performance camshaft. (Cam specs
not in this brochure)

Of course the TH-400 with "variable vane" torque converter is also new for
1965.

I have no info but Chassis Manual and 1965 Cutlass Assembly Manual for diff
gear specs but can say that the code on my axle means 2:93.

Well, that is about all. Just thought that some of you all (or for you
Southron folk; "y'all") besides Daren (and the MECHster if he is still on the
list) might be interested in knowing the origins of your big block.

Karl Aune

1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan

KarlAune@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:10:12 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: the 1965 "Super Rocket" 425

Here it is as promised.

First of all, the following constitutes my information to date. If any iota
is wrong, please chastise me immediately with the correction.

Much of this is directly from an Oldsmobile dealers brochure (Bernard
Chevrolet-Oldsmobile Incorporated in Libertyville, IL if anyone cares)

By 1964, Oldsmobile pretty much exhausted the size limitations of their V-8
small block (no BB's were available prior to 1965) with the 394cid engine. I
may be wrong, but I believe overboring the 394 should only be done with great
care not to accidentally expand the cylinders into the water jackets. That
might be bad.

The new big block Starfire and Super Rocket 425 engines were made available
in 1965. All 1965 425 cid engines are "A" blocks with "A" heads (cylinder
head volume is 82cc according to Joe Mondello). All F-85 4 4 2 models
(because the Cutlass was a variant of the F-85) were equipped with the
400cid, which I believe should have been a "B" block. My information here is
sketchy. My chassis manual was printed in September and does not mention 4 4
2 models or the 400cid motor at all. This dealer's brochure is dated
September of 1964 and does mention the 4 4 2's 400 cid as rated at 345hp. I
imagine that it counts as a Super Rocket, because one variant of the Super
Rocket was rated at 310hp. (No offence 4 4 2'ers!)

The Starfire engine was the extreme in performance, and was standard in the
Starfireand Jetstar I; available in the Ninety-Eight and Dynamic 88 (the
Delta was a variant of the Dynamic 88) for extra cost.

The Super Rocket was standard on the Ninety-Eight and was available for extra
cost in the Dynamic 88. The motor standard for the Dynamic 88 was also called
Super Rocket but was slightly weaker.

Now for the yummy parts!

Starfire- (Starfire & Jetstar I)
425 cid
rated at 370 hp and 470 ft-lbs of torque  (wheeeee!)
compression: 10.5 to 1
4bbl carburetor standard (the Rochester 4GC)

Super Rocket (Ninety-Eight)
425 cid
rated at 360 hp and 470 ft-lbs of torque
compression: 10.25 to 1
4bbl carburetor standard (the Rochester 4GC)

Super Rocket (Dynamic 88)
425 cid
rated at 310 hp and 450 ft-lbs of torque
compression: 10.25 to 1
2bbl carb std (the [all-too-familiar-to-me] Rochester 2GC)

Unfortunately, a 300 hp regular gas engine was available on the Dynamic 88
for no extra cost! My car has an original (I hope!) "premium fuel only" gas
cap.

The availability of 470, 470, and 450 ft-lbs of torque in three different
engines could be explained by the brand new TH-400 transmission with
"Variable-vane torque converters"

I have not been able to confirm that Soylent Ocean Mist has a variable-vane
converter or not (not knowing what one is supposed to feel like I fear the
original may have been "mislaid" by an unscrupulous mechanic.

At any rate, D. Brown, C. Ruper and I saw a Dynamic 88 piston first-hand and
can confirm that they do have a shallow dish. The Super Rocket motors are
described as using a new "wedge-shaped combustion chamber", and having
integral valve guides and stamped rocker arms. Also the brochure touts the
forged crankshaft!

No, I have no info on Toro 425's. (Except that the lo-rise manifolds do not
flow as well as non-Toro manifolds)

All 1965 models came with 14" rims (if anyone cares).

That's all for now.

Karl Aune
member OCA, IVOC
KarlAune@aol.com

Direct from IVOC newsletter;  "For Sale...........1965 Toronado Taillight
assembly...."

I had better buy that right away. I hear that those are really rare.....

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:19:46 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an

In a message dated 97-11-28 02:08:57 EST, you write:

<< rgbaker@wt.net
 "Speed is your friend ! "
 Russ
 69' 442 Convertible
 67' Mustang GT fastback
  >>
hello i got a 69 Mach 1 and 2 67 olds!!
Bernie

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 02:40:03 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: My Slant on Recent Subjects

a word (or thousands) about cooling:

I agree with the first expounder (the engineer).

The general rule is that more heat is transferred when the difference in
temperature between heat sinks (engine and outside air) is greatest.

What this means is that for the same engine temp, you radiate more heat in
the dead of winter than the height of summer. Anyone disagree?

The key here is the rate of heat transfer. The rate of transfer is greatest
when the temperature difference is greatest between the hot body and the cold
body (sounds like my dating history).

Ultimately the coolant system (radiator) is more efficient due to better
surface area (again, radiator) than the engine alone at dissipating heat.
Although the most efficient scenario would be for coolant to reach the same
temperature as the engine. Because in that case the engine and coolant
(radiator) would both radiate heat to the ambient air at the same high rate.
Since coolant cannot be heated to the same temperature as the engine block
(not feasible), the heat dissipation (transfer) per unit area of the block to
ambient air is greater than the dissipation possible by the coolant through
the radiator. This is compensated for by the great surface area of the
radiator, which ultimately dissipates more heat than is possible for the
block alone to ambient air.

The reason that it would be bad for the coolant to be slow moving can be best
expalined by illustrating same.

Say the coolant moves at.... well we'll just call it damn slow. The coolant
in the water jackets comes close to being the same temp as the block
(volcanic, in my case) and the coolant in the radiator gets close to the
temperature of ambient air.
Just considering the radiator, realize that according to the aforementioned
maxim, less heat is transferred as the temperature of the hot body cools.
That means that as your coolant gets cold it transfers less and less heat per
unit time to the ambient air.

Although it may not sound correct to some of you (Dr. Bob, say it ain't so!),
the best scenario would truly be for the coolant to flow swiftly, in order
for the bulk of the coolant to be at constant temperature. What we really
want is for the coolant to be at as high a temperature as possible, thus
maximizing the heat transferred from the radiator.

Sorry if I overstated that. Some people just were not catching on.

As for how this thread started.... I think that the listmenber who posted
that list missed the beginning of that B@&%k  meeting when the speaker said
"These are the top" some number "of cooling tricks NOT to do to your car."
emphasis added.

Then again, they may well have intended that list for Oldsmobilers, the dirty
rats!

Karl Aune

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:34:37 -0800
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> Erik Badzinski wrote:
>
> > Also, on my '72 Cutlass, I have the Edelbrock Performer Intake Manifold
> > which looks like it was the EGR one.  But it looks like they just took
> > off the EGR and put a gasket and cover over it.  Will this affect the
> > car any?
>
> It should....I wouldn't complain about it, either.  An EGR draws burned
> exhaust gases, and these spent gases are used to dilute the fresh
> air/fuel mixture in the cylinders.  Hence this will reduce emissions,
> but it draws away from the max output of the engine.  With the EGR gone,
> the engine is always drawing in a fresh air/fuel mixture....and presto;
> more vroom-vroom.  If you removed the EGR yourself, you may want to
> richen the carb a little, otherwise it may run a little lean.  And, of
> course, running an engine lean is not the best thing for it....
>
> ----------------------------------------
> S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net
>
> '78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
> '85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
> '91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)
>
> (Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)



Sorry, I am still learning, so why is running the engine lean not the
best thing?  thanks,

Erik B.
'72 Cutlass S

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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 23:35:53 -0800
From: Erik Badzinski <erikreb@netbridge.net>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Benjamin Ray Cook wrote:
>
> Unless if you've richened the mixture you have created instant detonation

I'm Sorry, I dont understand what u mean by that.  Could u explain?
Thanks for troubling u,

Erik B.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 03:19:41 -0500
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976

oldsmobile-digest wrote:
>
> oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 28 1997      Volume 01 : Number 976
>
> Re: '70 Olds 88
> unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest
> Read end oil capacity
> 442 4drs?
> Re: Read end oil capacity
> RE: Read end oil capacity
> Re[2]: Olds 445 cams
> Re: Stroking an Olds?
> ? about a 64 Super 88
> Re: Stroking an Olds?
> Re: Olds 445 cams
> RE: big block motor question
> Re: Power Antennas
> Re: Fwd: Rear Drum Upgrade on '67 CS
> Trans help
unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 04:30:09 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an Olds?)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Ray Cook <bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu>


>Well for one thing I am tired of hearing everyone on here throw off on
>chevys.Ok maybe I was a little harsh but after all oldsmobile is a Gm
>product just as chevy.

Yes now all GM marquess are pretty much identical, but if you go back 15-20
years or more there was a difference between the divisions. I won't go into
details because I'm sure some one will accuse me of bashing Chevys (I'd
never intentionally do that ;)). Like the saying goes "Read the FAQs" its
all there.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:31:36 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Stroking an Olds?

Chris Matthes wrote:

> dont know about the rest of ya, but, i go out to the garage at least once a
> week and stroke my olds's.

Careful, you might go blind!!!  hahahaha
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:34:51 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Why new members are scared! (was Re: Stroking an

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-11-28 02:08:57 EST, you write:
>
> << rgbaker@wt.net
>  "Speed is your friend ! "
>  Russ
>  69' 442 Convertible
>  67' Mustang GT fastback
>   >>
> hello i got a 69 Mach 1 and 2 67 olds!!

I guess I am not alone...  I just don't have two classy deals...

1 87 Cutlass Supreme 2Dr
1 77 Mustang II Ghia
- --
                 Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__,      1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:26:53 -0400
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Convertible Top Replacement]

Hi Curtis,

Thanks for the reply.  Was the $600-$700 with you supplying the parts?

At 07:25 PM 11/27/97 -0800, you wrote:
<snip>
>The parts were about 275-300.
>
>To have it done professionally, my estimates were between
>$600-$750.  I'm in California, so you may find it cheaper
>where you are... don't know...
>
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 06:58:55 -0800
From: "Richard E. Hart" <rehartsr@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: fastest Olds

Well now!

When we were speaking of the "Fastest" I assumed we were speaking of the
classics of the show room type.  For example, many "youngsters" just cant
appreciate sliding into the seat of a 67 442 and going for the ride of your
life.  Someone can always beat the production machines with some engine and
trany swapping, but the production machine is where it is.

My vote is the 66 - 67 442's

- ----------
> From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: fastest Olds
> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 11:40 PM
>
> I believe that a 409 powered 87 Cutlass is faster than all those old-guy
> cars!
>
> Ray in the desert
> 87 409 Cutlass
>
> On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, W-MACHINES wrote:
>
> > Mr. Heinrich:  Now you've *really* started something.  Incoming!
> > Oh, by the way, you're 100% correct.  Let me be more specific, a '66
W-30
> > F-85 Club Coupe.
> > Boy I'm glad *I* didn't start this!
> >
> > Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
> > '65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
> > '66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
> > '66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: car craft / metal thing
> > > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 8:32 PM
> > >
> > > PSHENG@scuacc.scu.edu wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't believe the car craft "top 100 muscle cars" article didn't
> > include
> > > > the '70 442 in the top 10 olds list- that was the fastest 442
ever..
> > >
> > > Sorry, not.  Try the '66 W-30.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> > > 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:57:48 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: parts voice answer

 jim, thanks for your reply the ª you  gave me works, what is it's
 purpose.. will it tell you if that ª is still avail or what thanks jeff..

 are you planning on going to springfield summer 98 olds nat

  olds guy ga...

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 09:43:21 -0600
From: "Craig & Terry Gilbert" <74comet@email.msn.com>
Subject: It wants to follow me home

Hi, I'm new to the Olds list. For about a year now, I have been aquainted
with a car that currently belongs to a friend of the family who runs a
custom shop of sorts. It is a '41 Series 76 sedan. It was last registered in
1974. The only notable rust is in the left side of the hood near the
molding. Otherwise the body is solid. It is complete and very restorable.
The guy who owns it has unbelievable documentation. Owners manual , original
bill of sale, original keys, original title (it was a one owner car),
service paers dating to thne forties, tire serial number registrations from
the war years, even a picture of the smiling original owner wi5h the car
the day he took delivery. The Olds has not been started in 20 years, but
overall I still still say it is a solid ª4 car. The guy wants $2,000. I have
never had a car from the forties; all of my experience is in the sixties.
But of course forties cars are simpler. Has anybody got an opinion about
this? I can't stop thinking about it. I need input from claerer heads.
Thanks.

Craig Gilbert

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:13:15 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Read end oil capacity - JUST for BENJI

I'm glad to see that you are located in an educational facility (App
State edu), because it seems you have a long way to go as far as reading
and comprehension goes. Clearly I did not ask for the procedures on
filling a differential but rather it's holding capacity in metric units.
I and the rest of the group also have noticed that your contribution to
this list is nil and actually not very useful even when drivel does
emanate from your exhaust-fumed mind @11.90 sec . If you find this list
not to your acceptance then do everyone and yourself a big favour and
leave! No one asked you to join and no one is asking you to stay! Got it
Benny....

Greg, if you don't mind toss the grump....

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Benjamin Ray Cook[SMTP:bc3273@cs.cs.appstate.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 1997 9:21 PM
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity
>
> Fill it up until it runs out the hole or you can touch it through the
> hole.I think you should pay someone else to work on your car
>
> On Thu, 27 Nov 1997, Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I
> just
> > changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
> > does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does
> that
> > relate to in metric figures please?
> >
> > Fernando Proietto
> > Systems Analyst - Informatics
> >
> > Environment Canada
> > Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> > 4905 Dufferin St.
> > Downsview, Ontario
> > M3H 5T4
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 08:12:50 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Power Antennas

Wayne Schwartz wrote:

> Chris: whats your concern with a rear mounted power antenna.  I've got
> one on my 69 442.....no problem.  Works well...looks good.  It took a
> while to locate a good working replacement though.  Wayne Schwartz

The only concern is that I don't want to put a new hole in my car and
just reuse the current one the manual antenna is in.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:38:19 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: EGR question

Erik Badzinski wrote:
>
> Sorry, I am still learning, so why is running the engine lean not the
> best thing?  thanks,
>
> Erik B.
> '72 Cutlass S

Running the engine lean can cause detonation.  Also know an spark-knock,
pinging, and pre-ignition.  This happens when the air/fuel mixture is
trying to explode before the spark plug is supposed to ignite it.  It
happens because the heat of the combustion chamber is igniting it before
the spark plug can.  It can be caused by a number of things.  Exess
carbon buildup in the combustion chamber, an engine running hotter than
ideal, running lean, etc.  It's bad because it means the mixture is
exploding while the piston is still moving up trying to compress the
mixture.  This can cause damage, and  pistons especially don't like it.
It's possible to even break pistons this way.

I'm not exactly sure how running lean causes it.  I think it's because
the gas ignites easier since there's an over abundance of oxygen in the
mixture.  Maybe someone else on the list has a better idea of why it
happens?  I'd like to know myslef.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:26:04 -0500
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Read end oil capacity

Actually I looked in the chassis manual again this morning and it's 4.25
pints for a 10 bolt cover and 5.5 for a 12 bolt cover diff. Dave you
understood my confusion right away. Does the chassis manual report
capacities in American standard for use the Imperial British standard?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Dave Ward[SMTP:ward@ptbo.igs.net]
> Sent: Thursday, November 27, 1997 9:04 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity
>
> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know what capacity a 10 bolt with W-27 cover have? I
> just
> > changed the diff and I'm going to install a W-27 cover. How much oil
> > does the diff take? The '72 chassis man. says 2.5 pints. What does
> that
> > relate to in metric figures please?
>
> A quart is 946ml, and a pint is roughly half a quart.  If I'm not
> mistaken, there's a U.S. and an Imperial quart...one is 0.946L, and
> the
> other is around 1.1L (to the best of my knowledge).  The only 'quart'
> I've seen in Canada is the 946ml one, which is usually found on
> Pennzoil
> and Valvoline bottles.
>
> I thought switching to metric was supposed to make things *easier*!  I
> can convert KM/H to MPH (and vice versa) without a problem, but it's
> the
> U.S./Imperial gallons that always confuse me...one is 3.78L, and the
> other is 4.45L...
>
> To hell with metric...
>
> -----------------------------------------
> S. Dave Ward   mailto:ward@ptbo.igs.net
>
> '78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
> '85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
> '91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)
>
> (Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA)
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:13:18 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <W-MACHINES@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: It wants to follow me home

*somebody* better take that car!  Sounds like a decent deal.

Kurt    W-MACHINES@prodigy.net
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Craig & Terry Gilbert <74comet@email.msn.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: It wants to follow me home
> Date: Friday, November 28, 1997 10:43 AM
>
> Hi, I'm new to the Olds list. For about a year now, I have been aquainted
> with a car that currently belongs to a friend of the family who runs a
> custom shop of sorts. It is a '41 Series 76 sedan. It was last registered
in
> 1974. The only notable rust is in the left side of the hood near the
> molding. Otherwise the body is solid. It is complete and very restorable.
> The guy who owns it has unbelievable documentation. Owners manual ,
original
> bill of sale, original keys, original title (it was a one owner car),
> service paers dating to thne forties, tire serial number registrations
from
> the war years, even a picture of the smiling original owner wi5h the car
> the day he took delivery. The Olds has not been started in 20 years, but
> overall I still still say it is a solid ª4 car. The guy wants $2,000. I
have
> never had a car from the forties; all of my experience is in the sixties.
> But of course forties cars are simpler. Has anybody got an opinion about
> this? I can't stop thinking about it. I need input from claerer heads.
> Thanks.
>
> Craig Gilbert
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:56:47 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: It wants to follow me home

Craig & Terry Gilbert wrote:
 I can't stop thinking about it. I need input from claerer heads.

Well, I don't think I would qualify as a clearer head, but according to
my book Olds produced 46,885 club sedans, 40,718 4dr sedans and 353
business coupes in the 1941 series 76 model.  Weight was 3,260 to 3,390
pounds, and prices ranged from $908 to $1,010 base.  Unless this car is
a business coupe there were quite a few made.  However I would think it
is more relevant as to how many now survive having gone through WW II,
Korea, wrecks, etc.  You will probably have an interesting time with
replacement parts location but that is oart of the fun in owning
something a little different.  I would think if all the chrome,
instruments, etc are there it would be worth that much but I am not an
expert, just a guy with a deep love of our automotive past.  If you have
storage and a place to work on it, I would give it a run if you have the
ability and/or assets to do it.  I think about any car from the early
1940's is interesting although I have only 1969-72 models myself.  About
two months ago, the Auto Trader in my area had a car pictured for sale I
would have really liked to haved purchased.  An old car dealer in
Florida had a 1942 Lincoln cabriolet coupe convertible for $10,000.
Only 136 were made of that model and it was beautiful.  Long, low,
droptop, V12 and cost $4,020 back then. (I know, I know this is an Olds
list, but I love ALMOST any droptop.  However, I am ducking in
preparation for the incoming rotten tomatoes, eggs etc. so save your
arms, please.  Olds is still my first love.)

ANYWAY, with the documentation you have available I don't think you can
get hurt by BUYING it.  Besides, it needs a good home.  If you have any
idea what parts it might need, you might make a cursory check beforehand
though. I think it is safe to say that you might have to wind up doing a
little "country engineering" on it somewhere though.  Good luck and have
fun.  Of course you must realize this is being written by someone that,
given the assets, would probably own AT LEAST a hundred or two cars.  My
main character flaw I guess but I love quality vehicles.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:53:14 -0800
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Gold - True color?

Well I have yet to find my build sheet, but poking around the car I have
found spots of what I believe was the original color of my 70 Azure Blue
442 - Gold.  The cowl tag has been replaced so I am not sure what gold
this may be.  Anyone have color swatches or descriptions of the various
golds.  I believe my gold-like choices for a 70 convertible would have
been Galleon Gold, Burnished Gold, Copper, Bamboo and Nugget Gold.  The
gold left behind on my car seems to be what gold should be, in other
words I would think Burnished would be darker, Copper - well closer to a
bronze, but how would I know which gold.  I know, who cares, well with a
now white interior I think the car would look good Twilight Blue or
Gold.  Does anyone out there own a gold car with White top and
interior.  I've seen a 66 chevelle like that and it looked great.


Steven Saraceno
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:13:38 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Read end oil capacity

- -----Original Message-----
From: Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, November 28, 1997 11:29 AM
Subject: RE: Read end oil capacity


>snip>
>Does the chassis manual report
>capacities in American standard for use the Imperial British
standard?
>
>Fernando Proietto
>Systems Analyst - Informatics

Fernando,
In my experience, back in the "old(s) days" when Canada was still on
the imperial system, (and I still lived there), manuals printed in
Canada used imperial measurements. That's why Canadian built cars got
better mileage than the US versions. <G>
Seriously, I don't know about chassis manuals, but would suspect it
would be imperial for the benefit of the mechanics of the time. Check
the publishing date and page. If it's published by GM of Canada, it's
almost certainly imperial. If it's published by the Oldsmobile
Division of Lansing, MI, it's definitely US standard. Good luck.

Mick Gillespie
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:14:45 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: ADMIN-Small suggestion-No flack please

Greg,

Got to wondering during all this hoopla over other makes being
discussed, dissed, etc.  A lot of us, me included, have several
different makes of vehicle we own, and in some cases, are trying to
restore.  While I have 4 Oldsmobiles, I also have a 71 GS455 conv, an
early RX7, and some 1979-81 Lincolns.  Would it be possible to setup a
webring that shows the location of other makes?  I'm sure the knowledge
already is available within the group, nobody wants to ask or say at the
risk of getting flamed.  I don't have the computer expertise to do this,
but I think it would be quite helpful to a lot of our "family".  I don't
mean to change the venue of this group, but only to direct those of us
with more than one interest in the appropriate direction.  (No folks, I
don't want out of, or to quit learning about Oldsmobiles, just multiple
interests.  Kinda of like enjoying brunetts as well as blondes.)  I have
tried searching for other makes just to see what is out there.  But I
either don't know how to narrow it down or something.  But, I got to
thinking there must be other people on this list that would appreciate
it also.  Just a suggestion folks.  Comments of a constructive nature
can be emailed direct to me if desired.  Other comments I can do
without.  Thank you for your time.

Don Sowers

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 97 12:21:19 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Edelbrock Olds Head - Tech Info

Slow day so I though I'd submit somethin'

All the talk 'bout the Edelbrock Aluminum Cylinder heads might flame up
again after this.  Mondello has some info at his web site at:
http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello/edelhds.html

Check it out there (rather than me cut 'n pasting into a bandwidth wasting
message)

Have a happy Turkey Hangover Day ;-)

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| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:00:33 +0000
From: Bob Brandys <oehcs@flash.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976

We have used Mobil one and Slick 50 in over 10 cars.  We have had great
success. These engines are original except for new timing gears when we
got them as used cars.

1 350 - 267,000 miles
1 307 - 175,000 miles
1 307 - 298,000 miles (body died on this one)

First, put in new regular 10-40 with 2 cans of CD2.  The liquid type
(for noisy lifters) that adds detergent to the oil to clean up
everthing. Drive for 1,500 miles.  Change oil and filter.  Then install
slick 50 with regular oil.  Drive for 3,000 miles.  The change oil.
Then install Mobil one.  This is what has worked for us.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 13:05:07 -0800
From: Larry Polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976

Bob Brandys wrote:
>
> We have used Mobil one and Slick 50 in over 10 cars.  We have had great
> success. These engines are original except for new timing gears when we
> got them as used cars.
>
> 1 350 - 267,000 miles
> 1 307 - 175,000 miles
> 1 307 - 298,000 miles (body died on this one)
>
> First, put in new regular 10-40 with 2 cans of CD2.  The liquid type
> (for noisy lifters) that adds detergent to the oil to clean up
> everthing. Drive for 1,500 miles.  Change oil and filter.  Then install
> slick 50 with regular oil.  Drive for 3,000 miles.  The change oil.
> Then install Mobil one.  This is what has worked for us.
Bob ,did this make the lifters quiet?? I have a 83 Olds Regency Brog.
and
it has 198,000 miles on it..I was just wondering if at this mileage I
should try this to quiet the lifters as they have made noise since
Ibought the car with 52,000 miles ..Larry Polesnak
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 12:44:22 -0600
From: Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
Subject: 1971 Cutlass, Intro and asking for pictures

Hello, again Oldsmobile List.  I have been here before (aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
, big_olds@hotmail.com)  but have signed off for time constraints...

Then, this week, I went and picked up my free 1971 Cutlass two door.

The car is motorless, and needs brakes and a lot of minor work.  The
autobody was started on it years ago and left, so it NEEDS paint.

Although I'll have many questions to ask when I get it in the shop to work
on it, first I want to decide on a colour for it.  It's got a light brown
 -type colour interior, so Yellow would be my preference.  Since pseudo-wife
likes the car, I want to get it painted an agreeable colour to us both!!

What I want is pictures of (or URL's that point to them) any car in this
body style with any colour combination, preferably yellow or yellow with a
black stripe down the middle.

If you have pictures at home, but not ones on-line, I would ask that you
please get them scanned somewhere if you can.



Thanx a million, and BTW, please reply with a CC to Eric.Aksomitis@swp.com
as I am on digest and could miss your reply.


 -----------
Eric Aksomitis
1972 98
1975 Cutlass
1971 Cutlass in progress...

http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 10:56:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª976

i thought the address here had oldsmobile in it, not
shoveitorleaveit,foundonroaddead or any other lesser brands and it is nice
that way.  if i wanted info on everyone has one junk i would be on a
diffrent list.

47rocket98

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 11:16:21 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles Available-'69 Toro

Swapped in Eldorado trans.  Also dual exhaust isnt a definitive ID on these
cars either.  Only way left to check is checking the cam.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:42:26 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: PARTS: New Items

  442 letters for 70 hood...   top of 70-2 console that houses the lid....


    jeff  olds guy....

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:48:45 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chrome Bumpers

    how much did you pay for the chroming
?    olds guy ga......

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:57:06 -0500 (EST)
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 with 455 and 200r4 transmission/ Edelbrock Mani

>I was planning to use the stock type open filter '67 442 air cleaner on my
>motor with that manifold. Was it your experience that this unit won't fit?

well, to be honest, i think the open element olds air cleaner will work.  i
think its the same as the z/28 - corvette open element air cleaners, isnt it?
 i cant be sure about this, because i only had the closed (automatic
transmission car) air cleaners.  those were no where near clearing the hood.
 but the performer intake seems to be about 1 1/2" - 2" than the factory one.
 one other thing, you may need a short spacer between the carb and the base
of the air cleaner so that the base wont sit on the fuel line.  i have about
a 5/8" spacer i made out of aluminum on mine, but i am also running a carb
off of a '79 chevy truck.

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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 14:11:56 -0600
From: Maurice Loboguerrero <molobo@sprintmail.com>
Subject: 350 rebuild

I have an 80 cutlass calis that came with a 350 diesel. before I bought
it in 87 the engine was changed to a olds gas 350.. Now its time to
overhaul and I want to hop it up...are there any publications showing
olds 350 how to hotrod or books like chevy put out for their small block
with tips and options for best results? I also need to identify the year
of my engine and find out if the block that I have was the diesel block
converted to gas...  can you help??

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