
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, November 18 1997      Volume 01 : Number 960



Re: 55' Packin' 455
Re: 55' Packin' 455
Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops
Re: 98 Intrigue
More on '78 Cutlass
Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C
olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Need advice on 82 Calais
Re: More on '78 Cutlass
Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: 59 Olds
Speedo Question
Re: 82/83 Olds 98 tranny question
Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: Looking for 62 Alternator bracket
Re:Posi
Re: Cooling topics
Re: Edelbrock head problem
Re: 98 Intrigue
Parts 
Odd parts for '72 442 needed
unsubscibe
Re: q4 (fwd)
Re: Speedo Question
Re: 98 Intrigue
662's
Stupid Mechanic Tricks
Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: Speedo Question
Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops
Re: Posi
Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops
EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed
Re[2]: 59 Olds
Re: Need advice on 82 Calais
442 
Re:Posi
Re: Supertuning '71 and '72
Brake ? for '72 442
Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)
69 Olds Hood
looking for parts
Re: Thermostat Housing Leak
Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Re: Speedo Question
Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Re: Posi
Re: 442
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed
Re: 69 Olds Hood
? about connections
Re: q4 and 64-72 442's
Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops
Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:11:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Boaz32@aol.com
Subject: Re: 55' Packin' 455

In a message dated 97-11-16 10:29:02 EST, you write:

<< No matter what you do, the clearance between the exhaust manifold and
 steering box
 will be an issue. (Unless you do the front clip)  I decided to replace
 the power
 steering with a manual box.   >>

My 55' has manual steering...that will help.  I guess headers would be a
tough addition...any comments?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:13:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Boaz32@aol.com
Subject: Re: 55' Packin' 455

In a message dated 97-11-16 10:29:02 EST, you write:

<< Offenhauser intake sporting dual Carter AFB "Quads" >>

Is your intake a "tunnel ram"?  I would like to find a dual quad manifold
that is NOT a tunnel ram type...some thing sim. to the old Ford 427 set up.
 Do you know of one?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:40:21 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops

I have a sorta strong opinion about the G-Body Oldsmobiles, since I own
one.  I have an 84 Cutlass Supreme Calais with the T-Top option and an very
fond of it.  Mine has chrome SSIII wheels and a dual exhaust, so when I
drive through town, a lot of folks take a look.  No one expects an early
eighties (or in your case, late seventies) Cutlass to look so good.  Mike
Rothe is right...the car's worth what you think of it.  Money can't
substitute for satisfaction.  If you love the car, no one can give you
enough money for it (well, I suppose someone could give you ENOUGH money,
but let's be reasonable, right?).  ~I'd~ pay $2500 for a nice looking
Calais with T-Tops, if it was in good shape!  It sounds like a real gem,
with the 350 and T-Tops and all.  Check out my Unofficial Cutlass Supreme
Calais homepage, linked off of my homepage listed below.  Feel free to
email me privately...
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:50:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jack Moore <jwmoore@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Bobby,

Unfortunately, there are as many poor reviews for the Intrigue as there
are good ones.

http://www.detnews.com/AUTOS/9709/24/drove/drove.htm
http://www.oldsmobile98.com/owning/community/Intrigue/index.cgi

Jack Moore
jwmoore@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us
1986 Cutlass Supreme 2dr

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:03:17 -0500
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: More on '78 Cutlass

Jason Adcock:  You're car is a perfect example of a clean Cutlass.  It
doesn't have to be a Hurst or 442 or W-Machine to turn my head.  Heck, I
even get excited seeing a super-clean 2-dr mid eighties 88!  It doesn't
matter how collectible on the market the car is, what is important is
that you take good care of what you have.  Any clean, old, car
(Oldsmobile) is worth craning my neck over if I see it go by. There was
a guy I used to work with had a cream colored 70 Cutlass S that he was
given from his grandmother.  Ahhhh!  The color wasn't my favorite, and
it wasn't anything rare, but boy, was it clean!!  Other than a few door
dinks, it looked absolutely beautiful.  Beauty, I suppose, IS in the eye
of the beholder.

Another 2 cents
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:28:32 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C

Larry wrote:

> I have a copy of the May '96 issue.

Cool!

> What exactly is it that you are looking for?

There should be an ad under the 'O' Parts and Literature For Sale
section.  It has to do with heater/AC/heater delete firewall conversion
plates or packages.  I kind of think its around the area where the AC
parts ads are.  I'm pretty sure its in this issue, 'cause my chapter had
a trip that month and I had it along on the trip.  Would you mind
scanning the ads and finding it and posting the ad here, please.  Thanks
for your help, for me and the other folks here who are interested.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:44:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Crown14@aol.com
Subject: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

Okay, now I need some help from you guys.  The first section is the most
important one, considering that my window of opportunity (daylight) is
shrinking every day.

==========
To make my own rocket roadworthy agian, it needs all new tires, ball joints
and new tie rod ends too. (The steering's real loose.) I really would like to
get this fixed soon at the least cost to me.  I understand that the car has
to be aligned as the final step to all this work, but can I do the other
stuff myself?  What all is involved in replacing upper and lower ball joints
and tie rod ends?  What special tools do I need?  I know a lot more than
average for my age, but not as much as I would like to.  I was thinking about
maybe doing the tie rod ends and ball joints then letting the shop do the
tires and stuff.  Plus, the recent cold damp weather makes me think that I
will not get the time to do the ball joints myself outside. (I have no
garage.)  If I do them myself I am on a VERY limited budget.

==========
I saw the part in the FAQ about how to ID your exhaust manifolds, and I
decided to check on mine.  The FAQ says they should be (driver's side) W
402295 but mine is Y 380001LH... does that mean I have the first ones cast
from some unknown year?  I know my car did come with single exhaust but it
has duals now.

Also I checked my carb and intake numbers, and they both appear to be from
1975.  I know from the VIN that it came with a 2bbl, so I figure that whoever
converted it to a 4bbl swapped in a 75 setup.  My question is- Does this
affect the flow any?  Would converting it to a 4bbl put any more stress on
the engine if it came stock with 2bbls?  Probably not.  I've also heard that
there were two versions of the quadrajet in '75- 750 cfm and 795 cfm.  If
this is true, then how do you tell them apart?

My intake has an EGR on it, but I figure that since the '72 heads aren't set
up for an EGR valve that it did not matter.  I disconnected and plugged the
hose anyway.  I also noticed that underneath the grime, my intake and water
neck are painted bright blue (kinda metallic bright blue).  I know that some
of the BB Olds engines were painted blue, but BB intakes should be quite a
bit wider than SB ones, so I am wondering what this intake came off of.


==========
After my car warms up, some blue smoke eminates from the pipes (mostly the
driver's side one).  I know that somehow it is burning oil, but it was never
that bad before.  Now, when I got the car, the hose from the breather cap to
the air cleaner was a piece of garden hose.  I tossed it, thinking that it
was no better than nothing.  All the recent talk about draft tubes and PCV
systems makes me wonder did the removal of this tube affect the blowby in
this side of the engine.  Also, when I changed the plugs, the one from
cylinder #5 had some burnt oil deposits.  Could my valve seals be gone,
causing the burning of oil in cyl #5? If they are too complicated to replace,
I will just keep putting new oil in until rebuild time.  I replaced that old
garden hose and that did not help.  I also have replaced the PCV vlve and the
breather element.

==========
The Parts Place
950 Paramount Parkway
Batavia, IL  60510
1-800-442-0411
630-879-1600
Another Olds source, one I have only seen in Hemmings.

==========
A friend of mine needs a latch for his 71 CS’s console compartment.  He says
Year One has them, but he wants one cheaper and I haven't found it in
Brother's, USA's, The Paddock's, or The Parts Place catalog. 

==========
Today in my quest for weather-stripping, I actually discovered another olds
nut who actually has 2 parts cars and no running rocket.  His parts cars are
a 70 442, and a 72 442.  He has a W-25 hood that he will sell for $600, and a
(complete?) set of weather-stripping for a notchback (Supreme).  Also in the
area junque yardes are a 69 442 and a 72 Cutlass S  Let me know if anyone
wants me to try and get some parts for them.

==========
One last question, why would my car have a driveshaft from '70?  It looks to
have come from a junkyard because it says "70 OLDS" in yellow paint.  Also, I
cannot find the stamped letter code on my axle.

Joel
72 Cutlass S
350/4v
Durham, NC

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 03:13:15 +0000
From: "Joe Gerschutz" <gerschjt@flyernet.udayton.edu>
Subject: Need advice on 82 Calais

An 82 Calais is going to be put up for auction and I would like to 
know about how much the car is worth.  It has surface body rust and a 
V6.  Not much else is known about the car.  Any info on the car 
itself or price would be helpful.  Thanks

Joe
97 Aurora
91 Cutlass Ciera
hopefully 82 Calais

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:44:39 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: More on '78 Cutlass

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Jason Adcock:  You're car is a perfect example of a clean Cutlass.  It
> doesn't have to be a Hurst or 442 or W-Machine to turn my head.  Heck, I
> even get excited seeing a super-clean 2-dr mid eighties 88!  It doesn't

Thanks, Mike!  There are more than a few Oldses around here (Virginia Tech)
that are worth looking at.  There's a late 60's Delta 88..kinda
cool-looking...I've never seen one like it.  There's Sylvan's '68 Cutlass
(I've never ridden in a two-speed car before, excellent!); Greg's '72 Vista
Cruiser...350 with overdrive tranny and exhaust to shake the
campus...definitely something to see (and hear).  I've joined the Car Club
of Virginia Tech, so I hope others will look at a car the same way us Olds
guys do.
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:50:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

On Mon, 17 Nov 1997, Jack Moore wrote:
> Unfortunately, there are as many poor reviews for the Intrigue as there
> are good ones.
> 
> http://www.detnews.com/AUTOS/9709/24/drove/drove.htm
> http://www.oldsmobile98.com/owning/community/Intrigue/index.cgi

I read the Detroit News article... they trashed the Intrigue mostly for 
fit and finish problems on a very early production example. Gave it one 
out of 4 stars. Interestingly, a second example had none of the problems 
and they liked it a bunch but didn't change their rating.

The Olds site listed above has a mixed bag of comments from Intrigue 
owners/potential buyers. Interesting that Olds at least offers the chance 
for people to comment, even if their people don't often respond. Right 
now there's a thread there from a dissatisfied customer with a steering 
rack problem they really need to jump in on and take care of.

Unfortunately the price of an Intrigue will prevent me from commenting 
any time soon... :(

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:48:59 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 59 Olds

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:

> I do know that the engine is supposed to be a 394 2-barrel.

Well, Bill, I was all ready to jump all over you for being wrong about
that 394 bit.  Then I thought I'd better get out the book and look for
the facts before I had my foot in my mouth.  Sure enought, there it is,
394 on the Ninety Eight and Super 88, something I must have known, but
must have forgotten.  These models used the Quadra-Jet carb.  But the
Dynamic 88 series has the 371 with Econ-o-way carb.  Makes no mention of
the 394 being a Dynamic 88 option, but it doesn't appear to be in '60 so
it probably wasn't in '59 either.

So we're both right?  Its a draw?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:04:06 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Speedo Question

A rattle that has been in the driver's side dash of the '78 Delta ever 
since I got it sounds to me like it's in the speedometer. I have a few 
questions:

- - the service manual says you can detach the speedo cable but doesn't say 
how. How?

- - assuming I get it out, anyone ever try to repair one of these things?

- - an alternative is one I found in a junkyard the other week; I wouldn't
mind swapping it in regardless because it has a trip odometer. But does
anyone know how easy/hard it is to reset the speedo's main (what do you
call the non-trip odometer anyway) odometer so that it is approximately
the same as what mine currently shows? 

Thanks in advance...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:02:57 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 82/83 Olds 98 tranny question

Greg Pruett wrote:
> I've read in
> magazines that an 83 is not the best year transmission to use because
> it's slightly weaker than that later models.  85 and newer trannies are
> the best cores.

I can testify to this, as I've had both an '83 98 Regency and an '85
Delta 88 Royale Brougham.  The trans in the '85 was far superior to that
in the '83.  The '83 had around 110K on the clock, the '85 had around
130K.  Both cars were 307 Y motors.  Come to think of it, the motor was
better in the '85, too.  I have the service records from day one on the
'85 and it was always properly maintained (even the power antenna was
periodically lubricated and still worked at trade time!).  The '83
probably wasn't kept after nearly as well.

Paul  
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:09:53 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> 
> There is a interesting article on the 98 Olds Intrigue at the below web
> site. I know we all want the old days back, but could Olds have a good
> ideal here? I think someone on the list has a 97. Do you like the car?

I work at National Car Rental, and I have seen the "Intrigue"'s similar
bodied sisters (Regal and Grand Prix).  I fell in love with the Grand
Prix Wide Track for it's "Performace" Level...  It handled awesomely,
and the 3800 whoops up on most cars, even the Muscle Car guys rides!!!! 
A few months later, we got the 98 Buick Regals..  They aren't as
"Performance" based as the GP, but they can hold their own.  They pick
up the slack where Pontiac didn't on the insides...  The Regal is TRUELY
a "Road-Trip" kinda car. 

Yesterday, I saw and played with my FIRST Intrigue!!!  AWESOME!!!  It's
got all of Grand Prix's performance with an interior to boot...  If they
didn't cost so much, and use Front Wheel Drive, I would have one!!!  The
interior just blows me away!

On a sad note...  I got to play with my first "98 Cutlass".  You know,
the one on the Malibu frame...  TWO THUMBS DOWN TO OLDSMOBILE!!!  They
shoulda FLIPPED the names to bodies, and Left the Cutlass as a BUTT
WHOOPING POWER HUNGRY MONSTER!  Although the 3100 is an ok motor on it's
own, and in the Cutlass, it makes it's own stand, the new Gutlass's just
don't feel like their 97-DOWN ancestors.  I've always thought the
Cutlass s' said something about "feeling" good in in them, SAFETY
wise!Something about 2 Tons of Lansing Steel makes me feel good...  A
Japanese feeling Gutlass doesn't...  <G>  Ok, off my soapbox!
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:24:12 -0800
From: Chuck Noppe <oldsnut@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for 62 Alternator bracket

Gary Manton wrote:
> 
> I have just dropped in a '62 394 engine into my '64 Dynamic 88, and the
> alternator mounting bracket from the '64 to the '62 is different.  Does
> anyone have a '62 mounting bracket for the 394?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> G
>           \\|//
>           (o o)
> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~> 
> Gary M. Manton                                  SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division                     Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice                 (602) 265-8585 - fax
>                                                 (888) 982-4079 - Pager
> 
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~62 would have used a generator, use your 64 bracket

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:26:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: Re:Posi

Are all 4-4-2's posi?

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:26:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

>Cutlass V6.  I replaced it with one from the same model, but it had a V8
>engine.  Naturally it is bigger and I had to move the rubber mountings on
>the bottom.  My question is, will this radiator allow my car to operate at
>the proper temperture, or will it now run too cool?  I drive this car on a

The thermostat will prevent the water from circulating until it does reach
proper operating temperature.

>It seemed to provide plenty of heat, but I had to set the temp control
>higher than I usually do for what seemed the same temperture level in the
>car.  Any opinions and comments welcome...

With my rebuilt 403, my car runs cooler, so the blast-furnace heat from the
heater is now simply adequate. I guess a great heater is one side benefit of
an engine that runs too hot!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:26:20 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock head problem

>"Designed for high-performance non-emission 1965-76 Oldsmobile 400, 425 
>and 455 cubic inch engines (except 68-69 W-30) "
>==================================
>What kind of crap is that?
>
>"except the 68-9 W30's" !?
>
>Bullshit! [Pardon my French] What possible difference could there be in
>the G-block W30 motors? The bores are puny, to be sure, but the same
>heads that work on all other Olds big bloke [sic] engines work on the
>68-9 W30 motor.

I'm guessing that it's because the 77cc chambers on the Edelbrock heads
would be larger than the stock "D"-head small chambers, thereby reducing
compression. But then again, they say their cams work on everything *but*
the '66-'67 Toro motors (which are the only '66-'67 motors with the 39' cam
banks on which those cams *would* work!)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:38:43 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> The Olds site listed above has a mixed bag of comments from Intrigue
> owners/potential buyers. Interesting that Olds at least offers the chance
> for people to comment, even if their people don't often respond. Right
> now there's a thread there from a dissatisfied customer with a steering
> rack problem they really need to jump in on and take care of.

Buick Regals are seeing the same exact problem that the Olds are as far
as rack, even some of the Centuries and the Grand Prixs are falling to
this problem...  GM's finest at it again...  At least the Intrigues
aren't having the "Burst into Flames" problem where the fuel rail wasn't
put on all the way, and gas leaked out and poof.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:33:57 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Parts 

Don't happen to have any '67 D-88 parts do you?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:52:01 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

Looking for a couple odd parts (most should be easy knowing that I should
be able to get them from various GM's around the same year).
Never-the-less, if anyone has any of these (good shape) that they would
like to unload cheap, let me know.

1. Drivers side door lock mechanism (both side would be nice but drivers
side a must).
2. Drivers side window crank regulator
3. Head light baffle (?).  When I adjust the headlight up, the headlight
snaps and points down. (the part the adjustment screw holds on to is broken
and I am unable to admust it.)
4. left side turn signal cover.


I would have to drive 2 hours to the closest Junk yard that has older cars
(I've called and these junk yards don't want to help a guy with a classic).


Please E-mail me if you have any info. (no, yearone doesn't deal with these
type of parts).


brian.richardson@mci.com

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 18:43:47 -0500
From: "Steven M. Sommerville" <ssommerville@snet.net>
Subject: unsubscibe

unsubscribe
please take me off your list

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:57:49 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: Re: q4 (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 16:40:08 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
To: smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu
Subject: Re: q4




Olds,


Yep, i also have knowledge of the olds aerotech, probably the most 
prestigious piece of machinery olds ever came up with, and to no surprise 
it's a Quad 4, surely the most powerful engine olds ever produced with 
8hp per cubic inch, wow! haven't heard of many big-blocks with more 3 
times the cubic inches have numbers higher than that. the Q4 holds the 
record for the 2 liter moto-mile--flying mile. as i remember there were 2 
versions built for the aerotech, both had around 1100 hp and were 
deviated from the factory Q4. they said old wanted to experiment with the 
upper bounds of the quad 4, and BOY did they. i figure an equivalent big 
block would have to put out over 3300 hp to compare with these figures. 
Glad to see olds is finally decided to put some power out of their 
motors. way to go Q4. 
 
Pocket ROCKETS RULE.


Anonymous




>mike, all q4 owners,

>

>Hey mike that was great.  two of my favorite cars.  How does the 442 with 

>126000 miles run?  Mine has 125000 and runs like it was brand new.  you 

>must be a q4 guy.  Anyone who owns one knows how great they are.  You 

>have alot of the same sort of parts i have.  what are you running quarter 

>mile?  Sadfully my 89calais gold edition is losing all the performance 

>parts right now.  i dont want to chance blowing up the motor shes getting 

>old.  Either way im gonna eventually build a better q4 motor and drop it 

>into an achieva or calais.  Just wondering--does anyone else know of the 

>aerotech and the q4 that was in there?  1100 hp and it went 267 mph by aj 

>foyt (but that dosent suprise me-- its a quad 4!!)  Again good luck jeff 

>and lets show these people what the q4 is all about.

>

>shaun

>89 calais

>81 Custom cruiser

>

>

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:11:55 -0500
From: Sylvan Williams <lsylvanw@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Speedo Question

Greg,
    As far as detaching the speedo cable, you don't have to detach directly
from the speedo for troubleshooting purposes--you can just detach it on the
tranny end.  It should enter on the left side of the transmission near the
tail (assuming a TH-350).  Never repaired one, but you could use the brute
force method of adding mileage to the junked one by using a drill to spin the
shaft of the speedo.  Good luck.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> A rattle that has been in the driver's side dash of the '78 Delta ever
> since I got it sounds to me like it's in the speedometer. I have a few
> questions:
>
> - the service manual says you can detach the speedo cable but doesn't say
> how. How?
>
> - assuming I get it out, anyone ever try to repair one of these things?
>
> - an alternative is one I found in a junkyard the other week; I wouldn't
> mind swapping it in regardless because it has a trip odometer. But does
> anyone know how easy/hard it is to reset the speedo's main (what do you
> call the non-trip odometer anyway) odometer so that it is approximately
> the same as what mine currently shows?
>
> Thanks in advance...
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada



- --
L. Sylvan Williams
Virginia Tech--EE
105 Huntington La.
Blacksburg, Va
540-961-6181
68 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:09:57 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Jerry Christopher wrote:
 
> On a sad note...  I got to play with my first "98 Cutlass".  You know,
> the one on the Malibu frame...  TWO THUMBS DOWN TO OLDSMOBILE!!!

I went over the Oldsmobile showroom a couple of weeks ago on my lunch
hour to drive an Intrigue.  I balked at the price and the sales manager
said to me:

"Maybe the Cutlass would be more affordable, what do you think about the
Cutlass?"

I said nothing, just wrinkled up my nose.

"Yeah," he says, "I don't blame you..."

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:12:07 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: 662's

I've been wanting to do this for a while but have accepted the fact that I
just cannot yet.  Since I am in college and have no substantial income
(plenty of outgo, though) I can't afford it.
I have this 87 Cutlass that I wanted to put a six-speed in, and get a
tri-power setup for.  It's already got dual exhaust, nicely built engine,
etc.  Then I would have a 662, the perfect 14.  My car already has the
paint scheme of a 442, but it says 409 Rocket in the places where it would
say 442.  Many people think it's a rare factory prototype car or
something.  anyway, would someone else out there please build this car and
give it to me.  Or please donate a 6 speed transmission.  Maybe someone
else could manufacture an intake manifold for a 403 set up for 3 2-bbls.
Thanks for your generosity.

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:18:03 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Stupid Mechanic Tricks

Our accounts receivable lady had some car trouble the other day.  Seems
her 18 year old son had her '92 Achieva airborn and took out one of the
motor mounts and a CV boot.  Chewed up the CV joint pretty bad too.  She
had it towed in and had the service department look at it for her.  The
joint was repaired with some spare parts the Tech has laying around and
a new boot was installed as was a new mount.  Here's the good part. 
While all these repairs were being done, the Tech ran the battery low
'cause he had the door open and dome light was one.  What's that got to
do with the above repair, anyway?  So, they jump started the car, took
it outside and left it run to charge the battery!  And forgot about it! 
It went through an 1/8th of a tank of gas just idling.  Still can't
figure out why they just didn't put a charger on it.  Pretty sorry that
you can't even trust the people you work with every day to take care of
your car properly.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:27:36 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> > On a sad note...  I got to play with my first "98 Cutlass".  You know,
> > the one on the Malibu frame...  TWO THUMBS DOWN TO OLDSMOBILE!!!
> 
> I went over the Oldsmobile showroom a couple of weeks ago on my lunch
> hour to drive an Intrigue.  I balked at the price and the sales manager
> said to me:
> 
> "Maybe the Cutlass would be more affordable, what do you think about the
> Cutlass?"
> 
> I said nothing, just wrinkled up my nose.
> 
> "Yeah," he says, "I don't blame you..."

Like I said, they shoulda let the Cutlass be the Intr, and vice
versa...  It would take a MASSIVE amount of options like T-Tops, 3.8L
Supercharged, 5Spd Manual (Or 4Spd Auto MAYBE) and a NICE 2Dr Look...  I
would POSSIBLY consider it...  But, you know GM's latest statements tend
to be toward "Family" cars...  It would dissapoint me GREATLY if the
Olds crew stuck a 442 sticker on it.................    You won't see me
trading my 87 for a 97 anyday!
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:28:46 -0700
From: Dustin Cross <livnrt@mssl.uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Speedo Question

Sylvan Williams wrote:
> 
> Greg,
>     As far as detaching the speedo cable, you don't have to detach directly
> from the speedo for troubleshooting purposes--you can just detach it on the
> tranny end.  It should enter on the left side of the transmission near the
> tail (assuming a TH-350).  Never repaired one, but you could use the brute
> force method of adding mileage to the junked one by using a drill to spin the
> shaft of the speedo.  Good luck.

if you take the speedo apart and take the odometer out it is easy enough to change the 
miles by spinning them (easy to see how when you get them apart), but you could just 
swap the odometers between the speedometers

Dustin

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:33:54 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops

Wayne L. Dake wrote:

> I have a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham, V8 (350), loaded w/T-tops.
 
> Is it a collectors car?

To some people, it might be.  To others it might be a nice weather daily
driver type deal.  Usually cars that were popular when new are popular
when they're older.  These were pretty popular when they were new.

> What is it worth?

That depends on the buyer and what (s)he wants to pay, and your car and
its marketablilty.  Your 350 and T-tops helps.  The more equipment the
better for a Brougham.  A nice color combination helps too.  Low mileage
and documentation would be a plus to the value.  We've got a real nice
'86 Monte Carlo on the lot right now.  2 owners, garage kept, 20K miles,
loaded.  They want $6995, which I think is too much.

> How can I find out how many were made and how many might be left on
> the road?

Olds made 117,880 Cutlass Supreme Brougham coupes, it was their third
most popular car that year, no telling how many had the T-top option
(althought I would expect less than 10%), and no telling how many are
still on the road.

As a comparison, Olds made 240,917 Cutlass Supreme coupes (their most
popular model) and another 40,842 Cutlass Calais coupes.  That's a total
of almost 400,000 of just that body design.  Bet Olds would like to see
sales figures like that with their new Intrigue.  Total 1995 Olds
production didn't reach 400,000.

> A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the
> subject.
>      -Winston Churchill

You must know the people I work with. 

- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:35:42 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Posi

Panman638@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Are all 4-4-2's posi?

Not necessarily.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 19:44:31 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops

Wayne L. Dake wrote:
> 
> I have a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham, V8 (350), loaded w/T-tops.

To quote the "Standard catalog of Oldsmobile 1897 - 1997" your car is
valued at:

Condition   |   Value
- ------------|-------------
  6         |   150
  5         |   475
  4         |   775
  3         |  1500
  2         |  2650
  1         |  3800

6 => Parts car
5 => Restorable car
4 => Good car
3 => Very Good car
2 => Fine car
1 => Excellent car

Hope this helps.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 22:34:58 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)

..My intake has an EGR on it, but I figure that since the '72 heads aren't set 
up for an EGR valve that it did not matter...
     
     OK gang, let's do this once and for all.  The fittings in the heads 
     are NOT EGR, but A.I.R.
     
     EGR=Exhaust Gas Recirculation.  The purpose of EGR is, as the name 
     implies, to pump burned exhaust gasses back into the intake to dilute 
     and thus cool the products of combustion in the cylinders.  The intent 
     of this dilution is to reduce the production of oxides of nitrogen, 
     known as NOX, which increase with combustion temperature.  On Olds V-8s 
     (at least the traditional V-8s, not necessarily the Aurora) the EGR 
     valve and passages are entirely contained in the intake manifold.  EGR 
     has been used since 1973 on 49-state cars and since 1972 on some 
     California cars.
     
     A.I.R.=Air Injector Reactor.  This is the system which uses a 
     belt-driven air pump to inject additional air into the exhaust stream 
     to continue the combustion of unburned hydrocarbons.  A.I.R. is 
     characterized my a set of steel tubes plumbed individually into each 
     exhaust port and fed from the air pump.  A.I.R. was first used on 
     66-67 California-bound Oldsmobiles only, then disappeared until the 
     mid-70s.  (note that other lesser car manufacturers did, in fact, use 
     A.I.R. throughout the 60s and into the 70s)
     
     The original author is correct in assuming that EGR is not required on 
     his 72 engine, however.  All that is required is to remove the EGR 
     valve and install a block-off plate in its place on the manifold.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 22:47:21 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

brian.richardson@mci.com needs:

3. Head light baffle (?).  When I adjust the headlight up, the headlight 
snaps and points down. (the part the adjustment screw holds on to is broken 
and I am unable to admust it.)
     
     Brian,
     
     Are you referring to the plastic block into which the adjusting screw 
     is treaded or the stamped steel headlight bucket with the notch that 
     the screw fits into?  If you need the former, these are available in 
     the "HELP" line of parts which are carried by most of the large chain 
     auto parts stores, like Trak Auto and Chief Auto Parts.  I've even 
     found that most of the independent stores around here (Northern VA) 
     carry the brand as well.
     
     If you need the headlight bucket itself, let me know privately, as I 
     probably have one lying around.  Let me know which one you need, 
     however, as all four are different.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 97 22:38:29 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 59 Olds

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

..Sure enought, there it is, 394 on the Ninety Eight and Super 88, something I 
must have known, but must have forgotten.  These models used the Quadra-Jet 
carb....
     
     Actually, the Q-Jet wasn't released until 1966.  I assume you mean a 
     Rochester 4GC.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:50:20 -0600
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Need advice on 82 Calais

Joe wrote:

>An 82 Calais is going to be put up for auction and I would like to 
>know about how much the car is worth.  It has surface body rust and a 
>V6.  Not much else is known about the car.  Any info on the car 
>itself or price would be helpful.  Thanks
>
>Joe
>97 Aurora
>91 Cutlass Ciera
>hopefully 82 Calais


Joe, it probably has a Buick 231 with a 2 bbl. carb.  If so, you may want to
pass on it.  I had an '82 Cutlass Supreme 4-dr. with this setup, and it was
one weak beast.  (Hated the engine, loved the car - drove it for seven
years.)  My uncle bought it from me in May of '89 and promptly dropped a 307
into it.  Just my 2 cents...

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html    

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 22:57:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Shaun Miller <smille02@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
Subject: 442 

hey tim its time to leave the old days.  that time is over, its the time 
of the q4!  the 442 badge has all right to be there, which youd realize 
if you ever drove the car.  the one thing i agree with is that the "W" 
designation was used for performance applications.  youre exactly right.  
take for instance the Achieva W41 scx.  same engine as the calais 
different designation.  If you ever came to the track with me youd be 
amazed at this car.  It aint your dads olds, maybe yours is.  They are very 
pretty cars, but most that ive seen couldnt hang with me.  on the other 
side of the coin i saw a very disapointing article on the aurora.  the 
biggest  thing that pissed me off was that the authors likened the 
interior to  that of a toyata camry (gasp).  they also commented on the 
poor fit and finish of the engine.  Hey who won at indy infiniti.  this 
car is so much better than any lexus or infiniti of a price even 5-7000 
dollars more.  Id like to talk to any one who thinks otherwise so i can 
laugh at them for buying such a piece of garbage (rebadged toyotas and 
nissan) .  Any aurora owners out there to back me up.  I test drove this 
car and found it to be awesome (but quite a bit over what id spend on a 
car).  to read this disheartening article go to www.edmonds.com and go to 
the 97 car articles.

pocket rockets rule!!

shaun
81 custom cruiser
89 calais gold edition
cheap beer enthusiest

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:05:09 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re:Posi

At 09:26 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
        No!


>Are all 4-4-2's posi?
>

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:12:43 -0500
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Supertuning '71 and '72

At 02:55 PM 11/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
Joe

        Yes there is a different one for those years.

Jim Chermack



>why does the bryceman's olds page say "watch for supertuning olds 350
>455 w-machines for '71 and '72"?  was there a "supertuning" publication
>available in '71 and '72 like in '70?
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:13:46 -0500
From: Brian Richardson <brian.richardson@mci.com>
Subject: Brake ? for '72 442

My '72 442 has 4 wheel drum brakes. I know they sell rotors, and calipers
for '72 Olds. 
My question is, did some '72 Cutlass' come with front disks? 
Can I replace my front drums with disks? If so, how difficult would it be?



brian.richardson@mci.com

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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 23:37:10 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)

padavano.joe wrote:

>      The original author is correct in assuming that EGR is not required on
>      his 72 engine, however.  All that is required is to remove the EGR
>      valve and install a block-off plate in its place on the manifold.

The EGR valve rusted open in my '78 Delta, so it was choking it off at
idle and under load.  Instead of removing it, welding over a plate,
etc., I did an ideal quick-fix...best of all, it looks like it's
operating properly!  All I did was pull off the end of the vacuum line,
and wedge an oversized ball bearing down in it, therefore preventing any
vacuum reaching the EGR...

And yes, I was careful about it...the ball bearing I used was much too
large for the small vac line, so I forced it in with a set of needlenose
pliers, just to be sure it wouldn't come loose, and have the carb suck
it in...

Would it work better if I were to let the line draw in fresh air and
richen up the carb as well?

S. Dave Ward

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 20:42:35 -0800
From: Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com>
Subject: 69 Olds Hood

I have been on and off of this list for about 2 years now and don't
remember ever seeing this question but here goes.  One of my Marines at
work just bought a 69 Cutlass and is looking for a new hood.  He may be
able to get a 70 hood and I can't remember if it will fit or not.  Are
there any other year hoods that will fit a 69 Cutlass?

Thanks

Chris Miller
68 442
cya442@mindspring.com

Are there any other hoods that will fit on a 69 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:18:03 -0400
From: dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com (Valiant's Mud Lab)
Subject: looking for parts

	hi,

i am looking for the following parts for a 73 delta 88 convertible:

	- flood lenses (4): they are these trapezoidal lenses on the dash, 2 on
each side of the steering wheel, sort of blue-green color. There are 2
above the headlight and A.C. switches and 2 above the radio.
	- door lenses: red and white, complete if you can
	- trunk lock emblem: this thing covers the lock and has a olds logo on it.
	  i would like the lock retainer as well.
	-trunk edge emblem: says oldsmobile, mime has two pins broken ( with
fasteners)

	- rubber grease cover: it's in the engine compartment, on the steering
shaft where it connects with the steering column, ahead of the coupling.
actually i don't know if it's part of it or not. my parts catalog is not
clear at all on the subject...
	  mime is leaking badly ( don't know if it's important though...)
	
	- four wheel covers: i'm interested in the deluxe plate or the wire wheel.

you can use both following e-mail addresses:
dfsval@maracaibo.oilfield.slb.com  or
alain-l@usa.net

thank you.

hope somebody can help me on any of these parts. can't find find nothing in
miami...

alain lachatre
73 delta 88 royale convertible

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 01:08:36 -0500
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Thermostat Housing Leak

Try using something other than RTV. I like Brush-On-Blue block sealer or
Permatex Ultra Blue
Howie
71 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:57:09 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

>Okay, now I need some help from you guys.  The first section is the most
>important one, considering that my window of opportunity (daylight) is
>shrinking every day.
>
>==========
>To make my own rocket roadworthy agian, it needs all new tires, ball joints
>and new tie rod ends too. (The steering's real loose.) I really would like to
>get this fixed soon at the least cost to me.  I understand that the car has
>to be aligned as the final step to all this work, but can I do the other
>stuff myself?  What all is involved in replacing upper and lower ball joints
>and tie rod ends?  What special tools do I need?  I know a lot more than
>average for my age, but not as much as I would like to.  I was thinking about
>maybe doing the tie rod ends and ball joints then letting the shop do the
>tires and stuff.  Plus, the recent cold damp weather makes me think that I
>will not get the time to do the ball joints myself outside. (I have no
>garage.)  If I do them myself I am on a VERY limited budget.
>
Firstly, shop for the parts.  I recently had the complete suspension
rebuilt and the frame straightened on my '69 convertible.  I agreed to to
find all the parts for the guy who was doing it.  To make a long story
short, when he had it all apart we decided it would be best to replace the
tie-rod ends as well as the front shocks (inital inspection did not
indicate much wear).

I looked at my spreadsheet and determined that Trak Auto had the best price
for the tie rods and PEP Boys the best shock prices.  I stoped into Pep
Boys to pick up the shocks and decided I would just recheck their prices
for the tie rod ends.  The counter guy prodly announced that the list price
for the inners was $56 but their everyday low price was $35.  I told him he
was way out of line because Trak sold them for $20.  He phoned Trak to
confirm and matched their prices all around.  I svaed close to $50 on the
four ends and the adjusting sleeves!  I applied for one of their credit
cards and got the whole thing and four tires for 90 days same as cash, so I
will not have to pay for it until February.

The ease of changing the ball joints depends on how they are installed and
whether they have been changed before.  Mine are bolted in but someone told
me the originals were riveted.  Changing them would require drilling the
rivets out.  Newer ones are pressed in, I have heard of mechanics who
change these by hammering them out and using the weight of the car to press
them back in but it is not something I would want to get involved in.  If
you take control arms off the car you can take them to a machine shop to
have them done (you might want to consider changing the bushings at the
same time).  The problem with removing the lower arm is the coil spring
which is very dangerous.  If you want to change pressed in joints on the
car the "recommended by GM" way, Harbor Freight Tools
(www.harborfreight.com) sells a 3-N-1 Service Kit (basically a big C-clamp)
for $60, next time I need to do a set I will probably invest in one.

BTW Trak Auto in Calfornia at least will loan you a lot of the tools
(pickle forks, pitman-arm pullers, coil spring compressors, etc.) to do
these kind of jobs.  All you need to do is give them a deposit and return
them within 10 days.

If you are replacing everything and not worried about damaging the rubber
boots you acn take most of the joints apart with a Ball Joint/Tie Rod
Separator (Pickle Fork) and a big hammer.  A gentler way is to use a
Pitman-Arm Puller with a wrench.

When I lived in Canada, I used to do all this stuff outside in the winter
but then again nobody ever said I wasn't crazy.  Good luck, if you need any
other hints please do not hesitate to Email me.


Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 00:10:30 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Re: Speedo Question

I seem to remember have noises on the speedo of my '81 Pontiac which
eventually led to it not working.  I found that the cable had snapped at
cruise control servo unit under the hood.  I picked up a brand new cable at
Canadian Tire for not very much money.  I think I just used the center
piece and fed it through the old housing, it worked great.

As far as removing it at the speedo isn't it retained with a metal claip
similar to the one on the crankase breater element in the air cleaner?


>Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
>> A rattle that has been in the driver's side dash of the '78 Delta ever
>> since I got it sounds to me like it's in the speedometer. I have a few
>> questions:
>>
>> - the service manual says you can detach the speedo cable but doesn't say
>> how. How?
>>
>> - assuming I get it out, anyone ever try to repair one of these things?
>>
>> - an alternative is one I found in a junkyard the other week; I wouldn't
>> mind swapping it in regardless because it has a trip odometer. But does
>> anyone know how easy/hard it is to reset the speedo's main (what do you
>> call the non-trip odometer anyway) odometer so that it is approximately
>> the same as what mine currently shows?
>>
>> Thanks in advance...
>>
>> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>

Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:33:06 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

> Today in my quest for weather-stripping, I actually discovered another olds
> nut who actually has 2 parts cars and no running rocket.  His parts cars are
> a 70 442, and a 72 442.  He has a W-25 hood that he will sell for $600, and a
> (complete?) set of weather-stripping for a notchback (Supreme).  Also in the
> area junque yardes are a 69 442 and a 72 Cutlass S  Let me know if anyone
> wants me to try and get some parts for them.

i have a '72 442 (w/o W-25): looking for a heat pipe (runs from the
exhaust manifold shroud to the air cleaner) for a 455.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:36:41 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Posi

no!  my '72 came stock w/ an open 2.73 (yuck)!!! (???)  of course, they
are no longer a part of THAT car!

Panman638@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Are all 4-4-2's posi?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:48:40 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 442

Shaun Miller wrote:
> 
> hey tim its time to leave the old days.  that time is over, its the time
> of the q4!  the 442 badge has all right to be there, which youd realize
> if you ever drove the car.  the one thing i agree with is that the "W"
> designation was used for performance applications.  youre exactly right.
> take for instance the Achieva W41 scx.  same engine as the calais
> different designation.  If you ever came to the track with me youd be
> amazed at this car.  It aint your dads olds, maybe yours is.  

Altough I race a 77 Pinto with a 4 Cyl on the track during bracket
races, I have never been impressed with older 4 cyls...  And since I
work with National Car rental, I play with all the little "pocket
rockets" from all the branches of GM.  I am not impressed.  Suspensions
that are weak, traction controls, ALL computer controlled....  Not my
style. 
Granted Olds made the Q4...  The all use it...  Corsicas, Achievas,
Grand Ams, Skylarks.....  Sometimes you'll even see them in the Cavalier
and Sunfire.  

Like I mentioned earlier...  Not impressed...  You can be if you want,
but I'll take a "Land-Shark" anyday! <G>

> nissan) .  Any aurora owners out there to back me up.  I test drove this
> car and found it to be awesome (but quite a bit over what id spend on a

True...  I have liked the Aurora since we got one at work!  Cool....
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             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:45:27 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

> 1. Drivers side door lock mechanism (both side would be nice but drivers
> side a must).
> 2. Drivers side window crank regulator
> 3. Head light baffle (?).  When I adjust the headlight up, the headlight
> snaps and points down. (the part the adjustment screw holds on to is broken
> and I am unable to admust it.)

sorry i can't help you with these, but like you, i have a similar
problem on my '72 with #3 - i can't only get the screw to adjust so high
until it "snaps" ...

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 04:49:54 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Hood

- ---Chris Miller <cya442@mindspring.com> wrote:
I have been on and off of this list for about 2 years now and don't
remember ever seeing this question but here goes.  One of my Marines at
work just bought a 69 Cutlass and is looking for a new hood.  He may be
able to get a 70 hood and I can't remember if it will fit or not.  Are
there any other year hoods that will fit a 69 Cutlass?


!!!!!
     The 69 Cutlass hood is unique. It ~looks~ just like a 70 hood
externally, but the latching method is different between 69 and 70. 69
has a "post" screwed to the underside which fits into the latch assy
on the core support. 70 has a square hole and the latch fits into
that. Of course 70 OAI hoods will fit on a 69 but are would only be
held down by the twist lock hood pins :) 
     There are 2 hoods for 69: a 'flat' hood with one raised area used
on 4 doors, wagons and Supremes, and a hood with 2 raised areas used
on Cutlass S and 442 models.

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Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv   
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv 
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:59:09 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: ? about connections

I have a wire that when I got the car is unhooked, I'd like to know what
it goes to:

It's an 87 Olds 307

It's two identical colored blue wires that go in to a Green Connector,
the connector is a one piece (one point) connection.  

It's located right above the water pump, and has a little bit of room to
move.  But there's no sensors near by missing connection....  

Any ideas???

Number #2

Same motor...

On the driver's side of the motor, right by the heat riser, there's a
set of vaccuum lines running under it...  I didn't look too far so I
could where the hoses go, but I did notice one is disconnected, and it
is getting vaccuum...  I don't wanna block it off, but here's the best I
can describe it:

It's hooked to a round piece (about as round as a nickle, and about an
inch tall with a "mushroom" type top), that on the side of it has an
arrow and the word Delay.  There's one hose coming into it from the
front of the car, and two hoses exiting it from the rear of the car, the
top two hoses are long, and go to different places...  This hose is
about 3 inches, and hooks to???????????????
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             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:10:01 -0500
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: q4 and 64-72 442's

Shaun Miller wrote:
> 
> hey tim its time to leave the old days.  that time is over, its the time
> of the q4! 

two very different cars from two very different eras.  sorry, but i
wouldn't "leave the old days" for a q4.  i prefer the appearance, ride
and torque of the old "monster muscles".  personally, i couldn't imagine
buying a q4, but for you it's fantastic - good for you!  (but not for
me)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 07:25:25 -0600
From: "Wayne L. Dake" <wldake@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops

Thanks to all for the great information!

Wayne

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 08:30:53 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Odd parts for '72 442 needed

 do you have a cutlass s or sup I have a lh supreme door  i'll part out...
  olds guy ga....

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