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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, October 25 1997      Volume 01 : Number 922



Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.
UNBOUNCE: A New Twist on "Die and Sell"?
UNBOUNCE: MCC Prizes
'58 88 (fwd)
Re: gear ratio
Re: A trade
Re: Another Olds Song?
Re: Gear ratios
Re: Convertible Top hose
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: Shift Kits
Wanted dual snorkal air cleaner, Peachstate 69 442 model available
Nagging Noise!
Re: Convertible Top hose
Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.
Re: Gear ratios
Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??
Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added
Quad 4 stuff
RE: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.
69 4WD Cutlass
Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.
Re: Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added
Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.
Re: What does EGR do?
W30 pictures
Re: Convertible Top hose
Mark Cornea's website (was W30 Pictures)
Re: W30 pictures
Dave Smith midwest rep
RE: '78 Delta Road Trip
Re: What does EGR do?
455 Serpentine Belts
455 Supercharge
RE: 394 FAQ stuff, and 371 differences
[Fwd: Re: W30 pictures]
AACA Swap Meet
Re: [Fwd: Re: W30 pictures]
Re: Cutlass Hoods
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: No Olds Performance Offerings
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: distributors
Re:67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
69' conv top latch hooks???
Re: distributors
Re: exhaust
Re: Quad 4 stuff
Paint
Value
Cold Heater
Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
Re: 69' conv top latch hooks???
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
Re: Cold Heater
Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
Re: Quad 4 stuff
Mike Aldana/Rechroming
Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0
New Olds News
Re: Convertible Top hose
64 442 F-85F/S, all or part
Re: Nagging Noise!

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 04:14:49 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Feller I met here at the centennial just phoned the other day... says there's
> ayard near him, in TENESSEE, preparing to crush all the old cars.
>
> I advise anyone near there to get there, salvage them C heads, B heads, Toro
> motors, dist's, etc.
>
> Oh, yah, for the Poncho fans... said to be about FIFTY '73-81 TA's, etc.
there. > There's your stabilizer bars & disk brakes?? for our A-bodies, right? 
>
 > He says his feeble memory calls it Danny's ?? or similar, near McMinville,
TN. > I need to try a Switchboard search yet. You can too. > > Please, anyone
can do so, try to grab some parts. Cheap C heads. I am working > on getting my
brother's neighbor & my brother to go down there, load up. > > Not the greedy
sort in general, I figured I would let all of you know as well. > The more the
merrier. > -- > Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca
[Lansing, MI] > *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 
442...
Anybody know where McMinville, Tn is?

Don Sowers

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:48:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: A New Twist on "Die and Sell"?

Bob H. has 2 mail accounts... this is from the other one...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:BobH592058@aol.com
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: A New Twist on "Die and Sell"?

In my heart (and lungs) I've had the strong feeling that the environmentalist
position that Diesel exhaust was almost harmless just couldn't be true.
 Being a biologist who has worked with the laser industry a long time, I've
learned that lasers ( and other sources of energy such as electro-cautery)
when used on plastics, tissue in medical procedures and anything else made up
of primarily of complex carbon, hydrogen and oxygen molecules, can produce
some really nasty carcinogens including a variety of cyclic compounds like
benzene.

I don't know this for sure, but I suspect gasoline has less chance to produce
this kind of stuff because the molecules are smaller and less complex than
those in Diesel fuel.

Just got this off the AOL news service.

See, AOL is good for something after all.  ;-)

****************************************

Japanese scientists reportedly suspect that a chemical found in the exhaust
fumes of diesel engines may be the most carcinogenic ever found, and the
cause of a rise in urban lung cancers. The New Scientist magazine says the
compound, 3-nitrobenzanthrone, had the highest ever score on a standard test
for cancer-causing potential of toxic chemicals. It also caused chromosomal
aberrations in the blood cells of mice. Hitomi Suzuki of Japan's Kyoto
University says he believes the recent increase in the number of lung cancer
patients in vehicle-congested areas is closely linked with the compound.
*************************************

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:50:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: MCC Prizes

Also from Bob H....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:BobH592058@aol.com
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: My Classic Car Photo Contest Prizes

Well guys and gals, I received the prizes for winning last weeks photo
contest.  The usual stuff you can get at a good car show, a baseball cap that
say "Classic Industries" on it, a My Classis Car Video Magazine front license
tag size plate and a t-shirt.

Now, I expected the t-shirt because I was asked to give my shirt size.  It's
the right size. But are you ready for this?

It's a promo shirt for Classic CAMARO Parts and Accessories, Inc.!

Arrrrrgh!  Is there nowhere to hide?!

Obviously, whoever picked this shirt out doesn't understand the friendly
feuds between the various GM marques.

Gee, this is worse than getting a Shivelle shirt.  :-[

I don't want to be ungrateful but, sheesh, Camaro?

Bob (With a new black Camaro shirt in FL) Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:52:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '58 88 (fwd)

Sent to me directly, can anyone help? Not on the list, so reply
directly... thanks! BTW, I met Tony at the Lansing get-together, he's a
great guy, so I'd really like to be able to give him an assist over there
in the U.K. if possible.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 16:31:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dons5043@aol.com
Subject: '58 88

Sorry to trouble you, but have a friend here in England who owns a '58 88.

He has brake problems with his "Tredlevac".

We have a manual and hope to rebuild this.

I gather that this brake system is a bit kinda garbage.

Is there an alternative brake system one can fit as a power assistance
system, say from another GM car, that actually works?

Your help would be greatly appreciated,

With Best Regards,

Tony Moore.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:18:29 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: gear ratio

there was a question yesterday from someone with a '72 cutlass and was
interested in pulling a 2:73 for a 3:23.  (i was a little too
quick-fingered with the delete button)

i did the same swap to my '72 442/455.  a "considerable" difference was
felt, especially bt. 40 and 100 mph!  the engine is now working harder
on the freeway, though - at about 2600 rpm's at 60, compared to maybe
2200 with the 2:73's.  plus, the glass packs make it sound like it's
running pretty hard, too.  i can't tell about improvement off the line
because the tur"blo"-400 slips pretty badly in first gear, then slams
into second.  with the 2:73's, the engine seemed to "gradually" get to
it's peak power, but top speed was well over 120mph.  i guess it depends
what you want to do with your car...for me, it was worth the swap
because i put 10,000 miles on the car a year (a real daily driver) and
wanted better response.  anything higher would have been too noisy for
me on the highway.

'hope that helps!!!  let me know!

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 23:56:42 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: A trade

At 09:03 PM 10/22/97 PDT, you wrote:

        Chris you are correct. They are the same number but different
casting dates.

Jim Chermack


>> Appreciate your kind offer of assistance.  Do you have any idea if the
>> casting ª on a 71 4V intake is the same as the 72 ?
>
>Joe, I think they are.  Someone else on the list may be able to verify,
(FYI, 350 engine everyone)  The only difference would be the casting date.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute,IN
>chris@abcs.com
>
>1969 Cutlass W-31
>plus others
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:31:52 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Another Olds Song?

Hulben, Stephanie A. wrote:
>
> does another mean i missed someone mentioning Kathy Mattea's 455 Rocket?
> you gotta love that song if you love Olds.

Yep, I've got her CD.  That song is definitely classic!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:37:16 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Gear ratios

Boogah Wolfe wrote:
>
> Is there a very noticible difference between 2.73 and 3.23 gear ratios?
> My apologies if the answer is obvious to everyone but me, but I have
> never had the chance to compare.  I have 2.73 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme
> and am wondering if the 3.23 limited slip would be worth the effort.

Just like Joseph said, it depends on what you'll use the car for.  If you
hit the highway a lot, a 3.23 gear might be a little too short (too high
RPM's on the highway).  In my car, I have a 2.29 limited slip rear axle,
and love the limited slip part of it.  I've really like to put 3.08's or
3.23's in it.  The 307 honestly has plenty of power, but that super tall
rear gear kills it!  So, if you drive it around town a lot and aren't a
highway hogg, definitely get the 3.23's!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA ª028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:43:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

On Thu, 23 Oct 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
> I think my un-fondest memory of my '67 convert was standing on the back
> seat to *pull* the top back up.  What a sight that must have been.

You must be strong!! One of my unfondest memories was shortly after I
got my '64 convert... was at the golf course on a beautiful summer
day, top down, drove home feeling so good... and the hose blew as I
went to raise the top after I got home. :( You must be a lot stronger
than I am, because there was no way I could get the top up more than
about a foot without some help. After about an hour of struggling, a
neighbor came by and we just managed to muscle the thing up. I dunno
if there was a hydraulic lock in the system or what, but that thing
was a load!!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:05:29 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

steven

on my '72 455, i pryed it on with my fingers at the compressor pulley -
a little difficult but no cro-bar was needed.  i'm not sure, but is
there much difference bt. the '70 and '72 455 w/r to a/c belt
"installation"?

Steven Saraceno wrote:
>
> OK for those of us who have changed the belts - or are still trying to,
> how do you get the AC belt back on a 70 455.  When I was young (and
> owned a Buick) I just took a cro bar to it but not with this baby. The
> belt is 7/16" x 61" (or maybe 5/16) and the compressor was loosened and
> I pushed it towards center of engine as far as the braket will allow.
> Any tricks?
>
> Steven
> 70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 06:22:47 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re: Shift Kits

Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com> wrote:
>Subject: Shift Kits

>  I was thinking about putting in a shift kit when I change my
>transmission fluid this weekend and was wondering if there's anyway to
>tell if there's one already installed?
>
>Tim Rudolph
>trudolph@frii.com
>'69 442 Convertible
> ------------------------------

Tim,
if you don't know if you already have one or not, then chances are you
don't.  I think you'd definitely know when the gears get slammed instead
of glide in.

Ingmar Ott
'77 Cutlass 442
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 05:34:00 PDT
From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Subject: Wanted dual snorkal air cleaner, Peachstate 69 442 model available

Ok, All the talk last week about 442 type air cleaner on G-body type cars
has me wanting one.  If anyone has, or comes across one, please e-mail with
details.

I have a 86 Cutlass Salon (442 want-a-be) and would like to get a dual
snorkal air cleaner from a 442 for it.

Also, for those interested, Peachstate MuscleCar Collectibles Club has a 69
442 coming out in November.  It appears to me to be an ERTL model that has
been repainted.  It will be Crimson Red with Black stripes, vs the ERTL 442
model which is black with white stripes.  Cost is $39.95.  You can reach
them at 1-800-536-1637 if interested.  They also have a number of other
P*nt**cs, Ch*v*s, and F*rds from the 60's if intersted.

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com
86 Cutlass Salon, T-tops

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:21:25 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Nagging Noise!

My '72 442 makes a sort of "rotating/rattling" noise starting at about
50mph and goes away at, maybe, 70mph.  it gets pretty loud, too, but you
don't hear it from outside of the car.  the sound appears to be coming
from near the transmission (turbo 400), but we all know how sound can
travel.  when i'm driving at 50mph, i shift the car into neutral and the
noise disappears, but, while still in neutral, i'll rev the engine to
about the same rpm where the noise was prevalent and the noise returns -
so that rules out the tranny and rear.  i have a couple of ideas so far:
fan clutch malfunction, flywheel might be cracked, torque convertor
malfunction, power steering pump.  i say p/s pump only because the shaft
IS bent (even rattles at idle) and have another '72 pump to replace it
with.

any ideas???

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:35:07 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

Lisa Madsen  wrote:
> > I think my un-fondest memory of my '67 convert was standing on the back
> > seat to *pull* the top back up.  What a sight that must have been.

Greg Beaulieu added:
> You must be strong!! One of my unfondest memories was shortly after I
> got my '64 convert...

<Painful story at the links snipped>

And those were both tops on puny (yeah, right!) mid-size cars!  The cables
in the top of my old '72 Catalina convertible broke, so I had to do
the old Fiat-like manual top act with that complicated 'scissor action'
top frame of the full-size GM products from that era, endangering several
digits on my hands simultaneously.

Of course, that was back when I was in college; dumb, but in shape :)



Tim (Out of Nearly 40 Cars Owned, 15 Were Ragtops) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:36:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: earthsci@pop.usit.net
Subject: Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.

At 04:14 AM 10/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>>
>> Feller I met here at the centennial just phoned the other day... says 
there's
>> ayard near him, in TENESSEE, preparing to crush all the old cars.
>>





>Anybody know where McMinville, Tn is?
>
>Don Sowers
>
>


About 50 miles southeast of Nashville.
earthsci@usit.net

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:39:40 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: Gear ratios

it's funny because we all have different interpretations of what's
noisy, high-revvin' and what isn't.  back in "the day" ('60's) 3.23 were
considered to be more of a "highway gear" because the 1/4 mile crankers
were runnin' 4.10, 4.33, 4.66, 5.00...!!  it depends what you are used
to, too.  my first 3 oldses, '70-'72, all had bt. 2.56 and 2.73 - really
quiet on the freeway, so the 3:23's were sort of a surprise to me, but i
like it!

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
>
> Boogah Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > Is there a very noticible difference between 2.73 and 3.23 gear ratios?
> > My apologies if the answer is obvious to everyone but me, but I have
> > never had the chance to compare.  I have 2.73 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme
> > and am wondering if the 3.23 limited slip would be worth the effort.
>
> Just like Joseph said, it depends on what you'll use the car for.  If you
> hit the highway a lot, a 3.23 gear might be a little too short (too high
> RPM's on the highway).  In my car, I have a 2.29 limited slip rear axle,
> and love the limited slip part of it.  I've really like to put 3.08's or
> 3.23's in it.  The 307 honestly has plenty of power, but that super tall
> rear gear kills it!  So, if you drive it around town a lot and aren't a
> highway hogg, definitely get the 3.23's!
> _______________________________
>
> Jason K. Adcock
> mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
> OCA ª028044
>
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
> 1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
> 1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
> 1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gary Harrod <gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com>
Subject: Re: 700-R4 help...Rebuild advice??

>Hey guys!
>I'm helping a friend with some tranny trouble, and I might end up
>rebuilding a THM700-R4 (1985 vintage), and I was wondering if anybody out
>there has any experience with these things.  Any advice, books I should
>look at, problems I'll have, special tools, etc would be greatly
>appreciated.  I've done manual transmissions before, but not an automatic.
>Having built all kinds of engines, and repaired just about everything else
>on cars, I'm not really afraid of an automatic rebuild...just wondering
>what to expect.  Thanks in advance...
>
>Scott
>1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98


Keep things really CLEAN when your going back together with it. The least
bit a dirt can cause problems with these automatics. You'll need a manual
with good pic's also because its hard remembering how things go back in
order. I've done some GM TH350s that aren't to bad but never a THM700 so I
don't know about anything special with them. Good luck though

oh, you'll need a good pair of snap ring pliers. Maybe two, one for
exturnal snap rings and one for inturnal also

Gary Harrod
gharrod@alpha.wcoil.com
N.W.Ohio, in the U.S.

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:17:41 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added

I finally scanned in a couple of "e-x-t-r-a w-i-de" photos from the
Lansing 100 celebration and the 97 Olds Homecoming show.  Plus, see my
car, <<proud smile appears on RCs face>>.

See them at:   http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm

More photos added later.  Enjoy!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:05:59 -0400
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Quad 4 stuff

At 12:33 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>IRONMAN,
>
>I'm looking for performance goodies, and have only found Mantapart as a
>source.

yeah i know what you mean i wish there was someone else, i have 2 unground
cams and can't find anyone to grind them for me, but mantapart said he
would swap me cams and some money,, but i want to get my parts in a
reasonable amount of time -- not 3-8 months from now. so if anyone knows a
place that can grind quad 4 cams let me know.

Jeff

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:19:38 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Pictures of my car, 1971 4-4-2 covt.

On Thursday, October 23, 1997 9:59 PM, mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
[SMTP:mrhell@m1.sprynet.com] wrote:
> Well, I finally got off my butt and scanned some photos of my car.
See
> them on my web site at:
>
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell
>
>
> "Better late than never" Lansing pictures will be coming soon also.
> Enjoy!
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

The second thing I like about your site is the bar stools. I have never
seen any like them. Did you make them or what? BTW nice car, you car
drive me home in it anytime, and it is (of course) the best thing I like
on your site.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 09:37:55 -0400
From: David_Pitts@vapower.com
Subject: 69 4WD Cutlass

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I got this question off my web page - anyone have a clue?!
>
> GM or a well-known racing team built a one-off 4x4 Cutlass
>          around 69-72ish for off-road racing/rallying. I have confirmed
>          that such a car (probably) did exist, but can find no
information.
>          One source said they recalled Steve McQueen driving such a
>          car once (he was a contemporary of McQueen's, and raced with
>          him a few times), and he remembered Steve saying it was a
>          beast, too much power, hard to control, and easy to roll over!!!
I
>          can find no CONCRETE info confirming this. Anyone?


I read an article on a 4 wheel drive '69 Cutlass that was raced by the
actor James Garner, it was called the Banshe (sp?).  He almost won one
race.  He drove into a lake on the way to the finish line because he was
waiving at the crowd!  I do not remember the magazine I read it in, I think
it was a '95/96 Auto Week?  There was a picture of Jim standing next to the
car.  It was tuff looking, not many tech. details.

Dave Pitts
'70 rag top
'87 442

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:05:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997, Don Sowers wrote:

> Anybody know where McMinville, Tn is?
>
> Don Sowers
>

Out towards Nashville in the middle of the state.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 07:10:16 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing & Olds Homecoming pictures added

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> I finally scanned in a couple of "e-x-t-r-a w-i-de" photos from the
> Lansing 100 celebration and the 97 Olds Homecoming show.  Plus, see my
> car, <<proud smile appears on RCs face>>.
>
> See them at:   http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mrhell/driving.htm
>
> More photos added later.  Enjoy!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOhhhhhh.  I am jealous.  Wish I had such a nice car.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 21:15:20 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: TN yard crushing! Act now.

Don,

 McMinnville, TN is relatively near Fayetteville, TN.  That is about 40-50
miles east of I-65 south of Nashville.  As you probably guessed, it is a
small town of about 25000 located in the horse country.

I'd love to go there, but I probably can't get the time.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>> Please, anyone can do so, try to grab some parts. Cheap C heads. I am
working
>> on getting my brother's neighbor & my brother to go down there, load up.
>>
>> Not the greedy sort in general, I figured I would let all of you know as
well.
>> The more the merrier.
>> --
>> Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing,
MI]
>> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>Anybody know where McMinville, Tn is?
>
>Don Sowers
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 97 10:17:31 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu> wrote:
>While this thread is going... I might as well ask, does anybody know of a
>source (besides a mig welder) (besides JEGS) for an EGR block-off plate?

Use plate aluminum, a thickness somewhere between a dime and a quarter
will do fine.  Use the gasket as a template.   If you need to hind the
plate from emission inspectors, make it smaller than the gasket.

This is what the Dekalb county police department motor pool did on my
1974 Plymouth Satellite police car.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 10:34:30 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: W30 pictures

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Finally have a page and a couple of pictures. Please view.

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          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

                              <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
                              <mailto:mcornea@gw.ford.com>

            Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>

            OCAª 4903
           OPCª 14
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 08:08:45 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

At 08:32 PM 10/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I think my un-fondest memory of my '67 convert was standing on the back
>seat to *pull* the top back up.  What a sight that must have been.

I do that too :)  But I'm trying to fix that as soon as possible here.  Now
it really doesn't matter if the top is up or down with that gaping hole
where the rear window was at one point.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Subject: Mark Cornea's website (was W30 Pictures)

Superb job, Mark.  Well worth waiting for.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:44:20 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Re: W30 pictures

mark

nice pictures - beautiful car!  are those the original options? colors?
wing? i don't like the wing, though - that's just me, of course.
i see one of the pictures was taken at the 'strip > is it fast?  what's
in the motor?  (other than 16 valves and 8 pistons)

jg

Mark Cornea wrote:
>
> Finally have a page and a couple of pictures. Please view.
>
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
>
>                               <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
>                               <mailto:mcornea@gw.ford.com>
>
>             Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>
>
>             OCAª 4903
>             OPCª 14
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:16:10 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Dave Smith midwest rep

Dave Smith Engineering has a Midwestern distributor, Gary at Rocket
Auto. 710 Center Point Road, NE, Cedar Rapids, IA 52402. (319) 362-4517.
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:01:42 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: '78 Delta Road Trip

Starting last Monday morning I had to complete a 900-mile business
trip in 3 days. Debated whether to rent a machine from Avis or take the
Delta despite the possible rad problem; decided to put the tool box in
the trunk along with a gallon of coolant and take my chances. All was
unnecessary. The car ran great. These are outstanding road cars, and the
Delta just loved to cruise on the freeway at 70-75 mph. Quiet, smooth
and
a great ride.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
- ----------
Yeah they are the cruisers! I much prefer my '77 Delta over the '88
Cutlass and '96 Dakota for commuting, and trust it more than the other
two no matter where I'm going.
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:15:46 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: What does EGR do?

Well, to be honest, they *did* use all the cubic inches of an engine,
but
only at wide-open throttle. Under that, however, the EGR valve was in
effect, and driveability suffered. You can see how they calibrated the
carbs for this: pre-EGR carbs had a very gradual taper on the primary
and
secondary rods, but the EGR carbs tend to have real fat rods, except the
last 15% or so, where it tapers radically; mixed with bigger jets, these
fatter rods gave leaner operation when the EGR was working, but richened
enormously at WOT. Theoretically, it allows you to have full power at
WOT,
but in effect be driving a "smaller" engine at all other throttle
openings.
Unfortunately, driveability with the pre-FI cars suffered, and the
response
from such a jetting setup was an off/on switch effect; full power at
WOT,
but *much* less power at lesser throttle openings. The power from my
non-EGR 455's is much more linear than the power from my 403 with it's
EGR-era carb.
Gotta rejet that thing one of these days...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
- ----------
Good info. What about this:
I haven't looked at an EGR equipped intake in detail, but aren't the
"EGR injectors" really just openings (somewhere around 3/8") to the
exhaust crossover passage? Would restricting the "injectors" and maybe
correspondingly going with a less fat rod make sense in order to keep
the EGR, but lessen it's affect during anything other than WOT?

I can envision threading some pipe along the complete length of the
injector so as to not create any low pressure/vacuum areas. The amount
of exhaust gas is decreased, yet some is there to lower NoX formation,
remain emmissions appearence legal, and most likely sniffer legal, and
have a little more power available under part throttle conditions. It's
easier to just get a non-EGR manifold, but what if you don't want to?

Doing something like this is a reengineering effort. Ideas, experience?
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:45:20 -0400
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: 455 Serpentine Belts

Also, has anyone converted a 455 to use a serpentine belt system to
replace the V belt?  I would like to install some a new AC, Alternator
and PS along with the supercharger.

Thanks
Marcus McGee

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:41:54 -0400
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: 455 Supercharge

Has any one installed a centrifugal supercharger(Paxton, ProCharger,
Vortech)
on an Olds 455 with carb?  I am looking at doing it for my GMC motorhome
that has a 455 in it to improve the towing and grade climbing capacity.

Thanks
Marcus McGee

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 13:29:11 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: 394 FAQ stuff, and 371 differences

Block--  Found on right rear side of bellhousing.
Intake-- 4bbl, number on top front of manifold.
Heads--  big numbers cast right above center exhaust ports.
         Maybe the casting number is under tthe valve covers.
Exhuast manifolds-- RH, LH designation.
- ----------
Thanks for posting info Scott! How about the rest of you guys?
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 14:23:36 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Re: W30 pictures]

Joseph Gambaccini wrote:
>
> mark
Thanks Joe, I added some options (tilt, wing, light package, pwr trunk,
out side temp, PO5's 15x8) The picture at the track was taken at Norwalk
in '96. The motor was done by Batten, I still have some fine tuning to
do, but it keeps up with traffic.

>
> nice pictures - beautiful car!  are those the original options? colors?
> wing? i don't like the wing, though - that's just me, of course.
> i see one of the pictures was taken at the 'strip > is it fast?  what's
> in the motor?  (other than 16 valves and 8 pistons)
>
> jg
>
> Mark Cornea wrote:
> >
> > Finally have a page and a couple of pictures. Please view.
> >
> >     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> >        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> >
> >                               <mailto:drdecal442@aol.com>
> >                               <mailto:mcornea@gw.ford.com>
> >
> >             Visit <http://members.aol.com/drdecal442/mcr.html>
> >
> >             OCAª 4903
> >             OPCª 14
> >        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 11:24:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: AACA Swap Meet

Jim Chermack, you mention an upcoming AACA swap meet in November.
Please elaborate! Exact location, times, etc


===
John Pajak                            JSPajak@rocketmail.com
Lexington Park, Maryland  HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

65 Delta 88 2dr    70 Cutlass S 2dr       72 Cutlass conv
66 Toronado deluxe 70 Cutlass S W31       72 Delta 88 conv
69 Cutlass S 2dr   70 442 W30 conv        72 442 W30 conv
70 Cutlass S 2dr   71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr 86 Cutlass Supreme



- ---"David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)"
<dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
> Starting last Monday morning I had to complete a 900-mile business
> trip in 3 days. Debated whether to rent a machine from Avis or take
the
> Delta despite the possible rad problem; decided to put the tool box
in
> the trunk along with a gallon of coolant and take my chances. All was
> unnecessary. The car ran great. These are outstanding road cars, and
the
> Delta just loved to cruise on the freeway at 70-75 mph. Quiet, smooth
> and
> a great ride.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
> Canada
> ----------
> Yeah they are the cruisers! I much prefer my '77 Delta over the '88
> Cutlass and '96 Dakota for commuting, and trust it more than the other
> two no matter where I'm going.
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:11:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: W30 pictures]

im sure keeping up with the traffic is an understatement!!!!!!!!!!

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:36:55 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Hoods

> Brings to mind that there is one avail. here locally for $100 off a '72 in
> supposedly very good condition.
>
> I keep toying with the idea of buying it but haven't yet.
>
Hey, I got one somewhere like that!  In mint condition too!  Just
remembered.  Off a 71 442.....If I just remembered where I put it....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:51:00 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

>OK for those of us who have changed the belts - or are still trying to,
>how do you get the AC belt back on a 70 455.  When I was young (and
>owned a Buick) I just took a cro bar to it but not with this baby. The
>belt is 7/16" x 61" (or maybe 5/16) and the compressor was loosened and
>I pushed it towards center of engine as far as the braket will allow.
>Any tricks?

A couple things might work (I've always found the A/C belt on the 455's to
be tight). Make the A/C compressor pulley the last one to get the belt, and
kind of rotate the pulley as you try to slip the belt over it, starting at
the leading edge of where the pulley contacts the belt. You might also try
spraying on some belt dressing to slide it over the pulley lip.

If that still doesn't work, you can always remove the lower adjusting bolt,
install the pulley, and then pry the compressor enough to reinstall that
bolt; this is tricky, however, because sometimes the slot is slightly
misaligned with that bolt's hole, and that bolt will *not* want to go in!
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:47:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: No Olds Performance Offerings

>I have been a closet Cobra fan for years, and as much as I like Fords I
>have always wanted to build one up with a BB Olds. Add a Doug Nash
>(Richmond) or Tremec five speed and a nine inch rear end and this thing
>would make you DIZZY.....Has anyone ever done one of these with Olds
>power???? I think it would fit, Ford FE big blocks are pretty wide and I
>think they are actually heavier than the big Olds......

Well, that guy from England with questions about rebuilding his 403 a
couple weeks back had his installed in a Cobra kit-car. So there's one...

And I don't count the new Shelby Olds as in any way connected with the
spirit of my '70 SX or '69 Toro; may as well be a Shelby Lexus.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:45:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

>> >Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
>> >people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do this,
>>  [snip]
>> >over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
>> >anyway?
>>
>> None. When the A/C on a Cutlass is not engaged, the pully freewheels, and
>> thus doesn't consume any horsepower. If you want to have that much more
>> horsepower, leave the belt on and turn off the air conditioner.
>
>A guy once told me that he used to remove his alternator belt when he
>raced.  He pulled juice from the battery for the duration of the run.  you
>have to have supreme confidence in your battery to do this, I would think.
>I think that's going the extra 1/4 mile for more power!  I don't know what
>the HP savings is, though.

Of course, it might be easier to simply unhook the "+" wire to the
alternator, or hook in a heavy-duty switch to turn it off during the run...

They make heavy duty batteries designed for this, though, and if you only
have it off for the run itself, you don't really have to worry about
discharging the system.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:40:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: distributors

>>>>>>OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has
to be
>>>>>>replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>>     You'll get no resistance from me!
>>>> Truly shocking!
>>>Almost re-VOLT-ing.....
>> ... but sparking some ideas none the less!
>Guys, Isn't this thread getting a little "pointless"?

Wow, you folks have exceeded my worst expectations! I'd join in this yuk
fest, but my wife just had a baby (true), and my energy level just isn't
high enough...
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 16:34:38 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re:67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all 
or
part

>i ran across some olds today in a salvage yard. the 67 had no front clip,and
 [snip]
>if anyone is interested in
>these cars LET ME KNOW SOON!.   i would buy them up and keep them from being
>crushed if i could!  i can`t do that but would like to see some one get them
>that needs them.    please reply steven. w30442cs@aol.com

OK, BUT WHERE????? As a general rule, if you are going to be selling a part
or car, at the very least tell us what part of the country it's in! I'd be
out there tomorrow afternoon if it was in driving distance, but if it's in
Montana, then I'm out of luck.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:18:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: KCole11301@aol.com
Subject: 69' conv top latch hooks???

Does anyone know of a suplier for these. U.S.A. parts and Year one both were
getting them from the same supplier and they have stopped making them.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:04:11 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: distributors

OK, who's going to work in a smarty comment about that wire that has
> to be
> >>>>>>replaced in this swap...?  ;^)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>     You'll get no resistance from me!
> >>>> Truly shocking!
> >>>Almost re-VOLT-ing.....
> >> ... but sparking some ideas none the less!
> >Guys, Isn't this thread getting a little "pointless"?
>
> Wow, you folks have exceeded my worst expectations! I'd join in this yuk
> fest, but my wife just had a baby (true), and my energy level just isn't
> high enough...
> __________________________________________________________
> Bob Barry            MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

It would seem that discussing energy level WOULD qualify as joining in,
Robert.  Let's see, another might be:

A short response about an electrifying experience while driving a highly
charged Olds.

Sorry folks, my resistor was slightly discharged.

Boy this whole thread needs to be short circuited.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:27:42 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: exhaust

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Lloyd Elder <jelder1@bigred.unl.edu>
>>
>>Do know where I can get a hold of a pair of JR headers?
>>


>Do you have a phone number or address for JR headers?

>Thanks

>Al Varhus

I'll try to call the machine shop that I baught them from to see if they
still carry them and for JRs address/phoneª. It was about 7 years ago that I
got them. If I remember right they are the same as Cyclone headers. Actually
I think they are out in the garage (headers). The bottom two tubes that go
into the collecter are bashed in pretty bad though not to mantion how rusty
they are.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 17:24:50 -0000
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Re: Quad 4 stuff

Jeff,
I believe that if you will check with Competition Cams in Memphis, TN that
you will find that they will be able to provide you with this service.

KRB

- ----------
> From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Quad 4 stuff
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 1:05 PM
>
> At 12:33 PM 10/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >IRONMAN,
> >
> >I'm looking for performance goodies, and have only found Mantapart as a
> >source.
>
> yeah i know what you mean i wish there was someone else, i have 2
unground
> cams and can't find anyone to grind them for me, but mantapart said he
> would swap me cams and some money,, but i want to get my parts in a
> reasonable amount of time -- not 3-8 months from now. so if anyone knows
a
> place that can grind quad 4 cams let me know.
>
> Jeff
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Paint

Does anyone out there know where you can get sebring yellow paint? How much
does it cost for a good paint job?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:01:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Value

I'm looking at a rallye350. I offered the person 4000 dollars. He turned it
down. The car needs all new interior, olds 455 instead of the stock 350,
needs new paint, has no rust, and the underneath needs to be detailed. My
question is did I offer him a way off price? Is the car worth more than that?

Thanks,
Jim

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:07:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Cold Heater

Greg:

You write:
Also need to figure out why I have a fresh air gale blowing out the
heater duct on the center hump when all controls are off (brrrr).


In the 60s GM lost a lawsuit because exhaust had been improperly installed on
some new cars, and the occupants were gassed!!

In their wisdom they decided that that wouldn't happen again.  But instead of
making sure the exhaust was installed properly, they decided to "pressurize"
the inside of the car!   They did this by deleting the "off" position on
heaters and A/C units.  This way the car always had air flow, both from the
movement of the car and the blower  staying on low speed.

You were expected to modulate the incoming air temperature with the temp
control, but you couldn't stop the flow.  You can redirect it up to the
windshield or thru the dash depending on your system.

I hope this helps explain your cold heater

Elephant Engine Ernie

67  442
50   88

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 18:21:12 -0500
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP

regardless of what is being turned, a belt sucks up 4 or 5 horsepower

- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Remove a/c belt for HP
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 3:45 PM
>
> >> >Has anyone thought about this one before?  I've always heard about
> >> >people removing their A/C belt to get a few more horses.  If i do
this,
> >>  [snip]
> >> >over-thinking?  How much horsepower does removing an a/c belt yield
> >> >anyway?
> >>
> >> None. When the A/C on a Cutlass is not engaged, the pully freewheels,
and
> >> thus doesn't consume any horsepower. If you want to have that much
more
> >> horsepower, leave the belt on and turn off the air conditioner.
> >
> >A guy once told me that he used to remove his alternator belt when he
> >raced.  He pulled juice from the battery for the duration of the run.
you
> >have to have supreme confidence in your battery to do this, I would
think.
> >I think that's going the extra 1/4 mile for more power!  I don't know
what
> >the HP savings is, though.
>
> Of course, it might be easier to simply unhook the "+" wire to the
> alternator, or hook in a heavy-duty switch to turn it off during the
run...
>
> They make heavy duty batteries designed for this, though, and if you only
> have it off for the run itself, you don't really have to worry about
> discharging the system.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:32:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

My car is the 1970 Cutlass W31. It's silver with blue stripes. I don't really
know a lot about computers so I don't know how you should send the pictures.
Can you send them to me the easiest way possible. Could you give me the steps
on how to do it? When you send them to me could you send them to the list?

Thanks,
Jim

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 19:39:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 69' conv top latch hooks???

If it the hole latch I have about a dozen spare I would be more then happy
to help
Lets say $25.00 for a pair plus shipping
Does that sound OK
E me if interested

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: KCole11301@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 69' conv top latch hooks???
> Date: Friday, October 24, 1997 5:18 PM
>
> Does anyone know of a suplier for these. U.S.A. parts and Year one both
were
> getting them from the same supplier and they have stopped making them.

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:13:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> Can you send them to me the easiest way possible. Could you give me the steps
> on how to do it? When you send them to me could you send them to the list?

PLEASE don't send any pictures to the list! We can't handle them and it
causes huge problems. Please note the posting guidelines you received
when you s*bscr*bed...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:17:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Cold Heater

On Fri, 24 Oct 1997 BigEJ@aol.com wrote:
> You were expected to modulate the incoming air temperature with the temp
> control, but you couldn't stop the flow.  You can redirect it up to the
> windshield or thru the dash depending on your system.

Your explanation makes sense, except I seem to recall that at some point
I could actually make it stop in the past. I'll have to investigate
further. Seems to me that if the dash control is set at vent (far left
side of the controls) and the vent cables under the dash are set closed,
then you shouldn't be getting airflow.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:37:10 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 67& 68 delta 88 2dr ht.,63 dynamic 88 2DR.HT, 64 442 F-85F/S, all
or part

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:

> this is the
> plate from the 68 delta 88 can anyone tell me more about it ?

>   05C
 >   68-36487    BK  4556   BODY >   TR 354    C2 PAINT >   SY


05C - build date code - third (C) week of May (05)
1968 (68) Oldsmobile (3) Delta 88 (64) Holiday Coupe (87)
Kansas City (BK) Fisher Body Plant - body sequence number 4556
TR 354 - Willow Gold interior trim
C2 Paint - Provincial White (C), Black vinyl roof (2)
SY - accessory codes - Power trunk release? (S), Deluxe seat belts? (Y)

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

When a cow laughs does milk come up its nose?

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:34:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Quad 4 stuff

In a message dated 97-10-24 09:08:40 EDT, you write:

<< yeah i know what you mean i wish there was someone else, i have 2 unground
 cams and can't find anyone to grind them for me, but mantapart said he
 would swap me cams and some money,, but i want to get my parts in a
 reasonable amount of time -- not 3-8 months from now. so if anyone knows a
 place that can grind quad 4 cams let me know.
  >>
YES, Batten Inc in Romulus Michigan can grind your cams.  I believe
they have the capacity to do that work for you.  After all they did build
the dual Quad 4s with turbos for the Aerotech that A.J took to a land
speed record

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:53:03 -0400
From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Subject: Mike Aldana/Rechroming

Recently Mike Aldana rechromed some bumpers for us. We just opened them
up and are not satisfied with how they came out. We've been EMailing him
for a week and have gotten no response back.

Does anyone know how to get in touch with him and/or has had a similar
experience with him. We decided to go with his services on another list
member's reccomendation. I hope we didn't get taken for a ride (no pun
intended.....)

thanks.....j&r

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:02:52 -0500
From: "Jeff Easton" <easton@calcon.net>
Subject: Re: HEI Info in new FAQ 4.0

From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)"

>>Ummm... one question...  wasn't HEI used any later than '79?  :)

>>The later version used some manner of computer control to them.

>>Chris Ruper
>>- ----------
>Picky, picky, picky!! :) I edited that section, again, to make it
>clearer! A recap here. '74-79: non computer controlled, aka 4-wire HEI.
>'80-'88 or '90: computer controlled, aka 7-wire HEI. The computer
>controlled the vacuum advance, so there is no vacuum pot. If it's one of
>these later year models and has a carb, it's probably a 7-wire HEI.

Hate to make you revise the FAQ again, but I pulled a HEI from
a 1980 Delta 88 in Beloit last month that has a 5 pin HEI module.
The fifth wire exits the dist. on the opposite side from the usual wires,
and this one still has the vacuum advance.  Indications are that the 5th
wire
goes to a special knock sensor.  This sensor module instructs the
HEI module to retard timing if knock is detected.
This is a pre-computer attempt at timing control.

Other HEI trivia;

I picked up a book on Electronic Ignitions.  In it they
state that the HEI coil is different from '74-75, 76-79 and 1980-
Basically in the resistance of the secondarys.

I've seen references to coils with red/white wires and red/yellow
wires, but never any explaination as to what the difference is.

And finally, there is a GM service part for the wire harness from
the coil to the module.  This newer harness (p/n 1892261) has a
moulded plug for the module instead of seperate spade terminals and
has the capacitor built in.

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 22:09:12 -0500
From: "Jeff Easton" <easton@calcon.net>
Subject: New Olds News

This weeks AutoWeek magazine has a good spy shot
of the replacment for the Olds 88 and LSS.  The
side picture gives a profile reminicent of the
new Grand Prix.  Maybe they are "borrowing" the
body from the new Bonneville, which I assume
was styled at Pontiac to have a family resemblance
to the GP.

Also, they reported on the new Shelby Olds.  There
are rumors that Shelby will announce a supercharged
version at SEMA, with around 425hp.  Hmmm, wonder
if you can bolt that into an Aurora... :-)

An finally, there is an article on our very own
Andy Green's (fast) vacation in the Black Rock
Desert.  :-)

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442 4-Speed

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:22:25 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top hose

I *used* to be - !  Actually my top went down OK, and made noises like it
wanted to go back up, but wouldn't move.  I could pull it up by myself
however, albeit slowly.  Needless to say I rarely put the top down.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:20:16 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: 64 442 F-85F/S, all or part

Steven - is there a console in either of those '64's?  I'm in need of the
shifter set up (shifter handle).  Also I don't have a driver side rear
armrest set up.  My interior is a strange goldish brown color.  Also, I'm
in need of the interior molding/plastic covering for both sides of the rear
window glass on the inside (runs vertically behind the courtesy lights
where the rear window ends on both sides), again a brown is prefferable or
white.  Last - do either cars have a/c?  I need the silly plastic cap
pieces that are on the actual under dash a/c units on either end.

Please reply - the console is my biggest concern.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 1997 21:24:28 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Nagging Noise!

Cross member tightened down/up?  I've had strange bumps and thumps from
things like this, which made sense considering everything had been removed
on my Cutlass 10 times over by the time I got it.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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