
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 19 1997     Volume 01 : Number 962



Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: Big Tires
Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
UNBOUNCE: WTB E-head '70 455
Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Re: Carb question
Re: Don's Raincoat?
Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
Re: Speedo Question
Re: Re:Lexus bashing
Int'l Loans For USA Products / Serv
Int'l Loans For USA Products / Serv
Re: 78 -->77 engine swap
Re:Lexus bashing 
Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)
Re: Cooling topics
E heads Big vs Small  valves and WTB(455)
Re[2]: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Re[2]: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
M/C's, ride height and other misadventures
??? about #6's
i voted for butch's '60 olds coupe
Re: 59 Olds
Re: Xmas Gifts Wanted (fwd)
Re: Cooling topics
10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?
subscribe oldsmobile
The Radiator and Cooling
Bashing 
Re: Brake ? for '72 442
Re: 59 Olds
Re: Air Cleaner options
Re: Bashing
Re: 98 Intrigue
Re: ? about connections
Re: Cooling topics
Re: Lexus bashing
Re: Lexus bashing
Re: Cooling topics
Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
Re: 442
Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies
Info for my 403 olds 
UNBOUNCE: 403 Carb H*lp
Oh, C'mon....
Re: '65 400 Engine
Re: E heads Big vs Small  valves and WTB(455)
Re: ? about connections
Re: 59 Olds Super 88 - Engine Questions
Re: 10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?
Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops
Re: 78 -->77 engine swap
Re: 10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 18:54:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

bobby,  we have a ' 98. they didn't make  '97s.  all are '98.  we love it.
has autoban package which has larger brakes, higher speed rated tires,  and
fuel shut off chip at approximately 123mph.  looks real good. drives
excellent, & gets 29mpg on highway.
runs 72 mph at 2,000, but shifts down real quick and passing from 50 to 80 is
good.  not like a 442 though.  we had our first snow last week end and the
traction control keeps front drive from braking traction and going straight.
 i tried several times and it sound like antilock brakes are controling wheel
spin.  I would have a fight on my hands from better half if i try to get rid
of.   she is happy and that is important.
mr57olds
'54 olds    '57 olds    '64 442 convert working on

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 16:58:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: Big Tires

Hey Rich,
I have 235's on my 87.  I know the max is 255 but only with particular
wheels that have some certain backspacing specs.  My tires are on
Centerline wheels and there is about 1/2 inch of space between the inside
of the tire and the frame in the rear.  The 235's in the front are no
problem.  I think that is the max for the front though, because anything
wider could scrape the inner fender when the car bounces down a little.


On Tue, 18 Nov 1997, Rich Meyers wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone knows what the largest size tire will fit on my
> '84 Cutlass. I had an '83 with 215's and it was fine.  The reason I ask is
> because I say a GN with what looked like at least 245's.  I'm planning on
> new tires and wheels soon since mine has the lame hubcaps. I'm planning on
> using 15" wheels.  If anyone has any of the solid chrome olds five holes,
> '82-'88 vintage, I might be interested in them. Thanks. Oldsmobile Forever!
> 
> 

Ray in the desert
87 409 Cutlass 

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:13:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*

I thought this topic was declared dead *last* week?

I guess it didn't stick, so here goes again: This topic is officially 
declared CLOSED. Let's get on to some informative Q&A's, OK, gang?

Thanks for your cooperation.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:22:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: WTB E-head '70 455

Reply to Mike directly if you can help...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Tue, 18 Nov 1997 14:58:24 -0600
From:	Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: E heads Big vs Small  valves and WTB(455)

>From the olds FAQ, I see that there were E heads with large and small
valves.  Can you tell the difference with out removing the heads?  What
about with the heads on.

On another note.  My 455 has developed a knock.  I'd like to buy a
complete motor to rebuild so I can do a same day swap out.  So,  If
anyone has a 70 455 with E heads they would like to sell please contact
me.

	mike

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:38:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Joelbyrd@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

in reply to the 1970 442 W-25 hood, does it come with the air cleaner or will
you sell it also..  If you  would please e-mail me with more imfo.  I live in
Elkin NC .  Thank you

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:45:22 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Carb question

OK, looked up carb # 7037216, and the original guess was close. Here's what
it's listed for in the books:

1967 Full-size Chevy 396/427 auto trans, w/AIR, 3rd Type

It has the following jetting:

Primary Jet:    7031971 "71"
Primary Rods:   7031846 "46" single-taper
Secondary Rods: 7033549 "AX"

It seems this was the third carb for this application that year: the "early"
(1st type) carb was 7037200, and the "late" (2nd type) was a 7037210.

You can compare that jetting with the carbs in the FAQ list, and see if it's
close to your application, but it looks like it would be a good basis for a
performance buildup.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:21:43 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Don's Raincoat?

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> >
> > Don Sowers
> > in Nicholasville, Ky, wearing a raincoat
> 
> Don, the question is, what are you wearing UNDER that raincoat?  I bet
> it isn't even raining there...
> ;^)
> 
> Mike Rothe

If it were raining here it would be coming down as snow, I think.  It's
pretty cool here this week.  Wearing the raincoat over my UK sweatsuit
to keep the eggs and liquids off it from the expected irate list
members.  I'm not as quick as I used to be.

Don

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:25:00 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> I thought this topic was declared dead *last* week?
> 
> I guess it didn't stick, so here goes again: This topic is officially
> declared CLOSED. Let's get on to some informative Q&A's, OK, gang?
> 
> Thanks for your cooperation.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada


YES!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:26:09 -0500 (EST)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speedo Question

 Greg Beaulieu writes:


- - - the service manual says you can detach the speedo cable but doesn't say 
how. How?
 The cable is retained by a semi-circular clip that works like "chinese
finger locks".  It is released by pushing the clip toward the speedometer
while pulling on the cable.  Really simple when you get the hang of it!

- - - assuming I get it out, anyone ever try to repair one of these things?
No problem, just a steady hand and 1/4" drive set and you're on the way!

- - - an alternative is one I found in a junkyard the other week; I wouldn't
mind swapping it in regardless because it has a trip odometer. But does
anyone know how easy/hard it is to reset the speedo's main (what do you
call the non-trip odometer anyway) odometer so that it is approximately
the same as what mine currently shows? 

Easiest to just swap your odometer into new unit, but you can pull the
odometer out and by turning the numerals, after the locating tabs have been
pulled out of the plastic retainer, you can have any mileage you and your
concience desire!


Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:51:55 -0500
From: "Cowan" <cowancom@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Lexus bashing

Yes I have driven the STS. The GS400 is 1 full second faster 0 to 60. But in
the Caddies defense it is a larger auto.

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 78 -->77 engine swap

>I will be swapping out an engine on a 1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale, with 
>a 350ci 4bbl, to a 77 Cutlass 350 4bbl, will this be as simple as it 
>looks? Basically, as far as I can tell so far, everything should just 
>hook right up, anything special with motor mounts or anything? 

Everything is identical; just bolt it in and go!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re:Lexus bashing 

>Ok here go's. First let me say that I love my 92 Cutlass convertable.
>Here in Florida it is just now top down cruzing time. But it has been said a
>lot lately that Lexus cars have no soul. I owned an Aurora. Ive owned an
>BMW. But my new Lexus GS400 IS THE FASTEST 4 DOOR CAR IN THE WORLD .  In

Sold in this country, yes. Some HSV Commodores in the Australian market
would give it a run for its money (imagine a 320hp LS1 w/6-speed in a Catera
RWD chassis; that's what they get down there). Oh, almost forgot about the
new Jag XJR: supercharged, intercooled 4.0L V-8, 365hp (I _like_ that hp
rating!); that might keep up with you too.

Now, just imagine if Olds supercharged and intercooled their 4.0L Aurora
engine, and installed that in a RWD Catera chassis...

>fact, Olds has never in its history built a 4 door car off the line this
>quick. 300 Horsepower sure feels good to me. As for those of you with

Right, though the 320hp high-compression 2-bbl 455 was available across the
Cutlass line in early 1970, even in 4-doors. Still not a 14-second car, but
pretty darn quick. And I gather the 4-bbl 455 was also available in the
4-door Cutlass in '72.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies)

>if i was stuck with EGR, i would do some head work too - including
>grinding out the EGR bump on the exhaust ports.

OK, about those bumps...

I've heard them called both AIR and EGR bumps, and both designations are
kind of correct.

They are AIR bumps, because they serve as the continuation of the AIR boss
to the inside of the exhaust port. If you're not running an AIR system, you
don't need them.

They are EGR bumps, however, since part of their (intended or unintended)
function is to cause a restriction in the exhaust port, resulting in some of
the exhaust mixture remaining in the combustion chamber, providing an EGR
effect (though the gasses are not technically circulating; maybe it would
stand for "Exhaust Gasses Remaining"? Where's Karl A. when you need him...? ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

>Sorry for the extra post, but (regarding my previous post) I guess I should
>first ask if 220 F in 90 F weather and the A/C cranked is too hot.  It
>seems that everything is against the 307 and that 220 F is actually not
>bad.  Experiences?  Where does everyone else's 307's run when the weather's
>hot?  Thanks again...

That's about what my 403 runs when the A/C is on and it's above 90'. Again,
it may not be optimal for performance, but it's not dangerous to the engine.
The trouble is when it doesn't stabilize, but keeps climbing past 240' and 250'.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:02:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: E heads Big vs Small  valves and WTB(455)

>>From the olds FAQ, I see that there were E heads with large and small
>valves.  Can you tell the difference with out removing the heads?  What
>about with the heads on.

No, there is nothing externally to identify the heads as BV or SV units. You
can tell, however, if you know what their original application was:

BV=442, W-32 (SX), W-33 (Delta) and W-34 (Toronado GT) motors
SV=all 2-bbl, all 98, L-31 (SX, Vista Cruiser and Delta 88-series), Toronado
non-GT
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 21:17:40 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

> >     OK gang, let's do this once and for all.  The fittings in the heads 
> >     are NOT EGR, but A.I.R.

>  [snip]

if i was stuck with EGR, i would do some head work too - including 
grinding out the EGR bump on the exhaust ports.
                 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                    AAAARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 97 21:34:36 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

..They are EGR bumps, however, since part of their (intended or unintended) 
function is to cause a restriction in the exhaust port, resulting in some of the
exhaust mixture remaining in the combustion chamber, providing an EGR effect...
     
     Good point, however I must think that this is strictly an unintended 
     function in the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" vein, as the bump 
     existed as early as 1966, long before EGR was even conceived.  Clearly 
     the actual intent of the bump is to provide a location into which the 
     attach feature for the A.I.R. tubes could be machined.  Since it was 
     easier to maintain one casting design instead of two, the bump was 
     used on all heads, whether or not A.I.R. was used.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:47:55 -0500 (EST)
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: M/C's, ride height and other misadventures

Karl here again.

My presence in Chuck's Olds Chat (this Olds chat?) will be delayed until I
can upgrade to JAVA browser (doing now).

On to recent (or not) topics of Olds mail;

Digest people like me get really annoyed when others feel a weird gnawing
need to quote the entire long-winded letter just to tack on thier own pithy
three syllables. Please, please, please remember: brevity is the soul of wit.
Also people of the nineties have ZERO attention span; get on with it! (Sorry
Greg. Thanks for your hello note, it feels like I never left!)

Somebody was fiddling with a radio from a Dynamic 88 of approx. 1965 vintage.
Email me privately and I can send you pix of car and dash. These same will be
available once again once I get the Q-jet back on the Rage Page (soon).

Also; there has been some more my-power-plant-is-better-than-yours such as
has been going on since the list began (I assume) and will probably never
really stop. Cool. Lately someone has introduced to this unending theme the
virtues of the HI-COMPRESSION Olds 425. I will, at a later dater provide all
the specifics on the first Super Rocket as introduced in 1965 directly from
dealer brocures of that model year which I acquired at the swap meet at the
Lansing Oldsmobile Centennial ((sigh!)). Some of you (Daren) may be suprised
 by these stats. It is definately info for the FAQ.

Further; read the FAQ. I printed out an older version and put it in a 3"
3-ring binder. You will need the 3 inches, I used up an ink cartridge.
Reading this can cut down immensely on questions. I can vouch for the fact
that I myself must have asked 5 or more questions that were covered in some
detail in the FAQ.

[glug. slurp. crunk. pshhhhhht!]  (lubrication break)

Anyway. On to the adventures of Soylent Ocean Mist (for recent list newbies
this is the name of my 1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan and is based on the
name of the original paint color).

I got set of tires as was made necessary by an alignment problem that I had
earlier this year. 14" rims came standard on this car from the factory (is my
understanding from the brocure). I got two rusty 15"X6" rims from Cal Sag
Auto Parts for $25. Iprobably got robbed but I was there anyway and it saved
me the operating costs (read as a 25 gallon tank thirsting for gasoline,
which I gladly supply [plus lead substitute and Octane boost] for the
pleasure of driving) of a trip to a more reasonable establishment. Anyway, I
liberally applied to these a drill powered wire wheel (yes Mr Ruper and Mr
Brown, the same wheel which is mighty useful in searching for diff codes and
other part numbers), much primer and anti-rust black paint (not your brand,
Dave). The suprisingly good-looking results were shod with 225/70R15 Generals
and applied to the hubs of the factory 2.93 axle (Daren-I think this was an
option, but the code is there!). 

Now for the problem (maybe). This has come up before. My front tires are
205/75R14's and the result is a slight incline. The front tires must stay at
or near this size because my speedometer cable (not fixed yet!) goes to the
right front wheel instead of the tranny. I have noticed that the rear end is
somehat looser than before because the present incline shifted the center of
mass further to the front of the car. Will there be other related problems?
(yeah, I know, yet another tire question)

I finally got a master cylinder. Before it gets added to the other
semi-original equipment, I need to consult with those of you with '65 era
vehicles. The remanufacured M/C I received is the snap-cap type (cap held
down by hinged retainer which provides substantial downward force when closed
over cap). My car now has the (original?) screw-cap M/C bolted to the power
booster. I have seen the snap-cap in junked Dynamics w/o the power booster. I
have seen no screw-caps on the M/Cs of other '65 era cars. Dr. Bob may recall
a convo some time ago about this which ended with my musing that one type may
be for power brakes and the other for manual. There are supposedly two types
of M/C other than power/manual available that year; Bendix or Delco. The
rubber (accordion?) cap liner in my (original?) M/C says in very small raised
letters: "BENDIX". So when I ordered it and he timing chain (goes in in one
week!) from Kanter, I specified power brakes, Bendix type. Did I order the
wrong type? Anyone? I would appreciate a timely answer as my current leaking
M/C is long overdue for replacement.

BTW even with the consequent "soft pedal" I get awesome braking power for
four drums! Especially compared to contemporary Chicago drivers (well, that
is not saying much.....).

Well, it took a while, but I know that deep down many of you really missed
the issues I brought up for endless discussion.

And the file finally finished downloading.

Read you all later.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan
member OCA, IVOC

KarlAune@aol.com
web site soon


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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 21:58:56 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: ??? about #6's

Should I stick with the stock valve size of the #6 heads when I put them
on my '73 or should I go slightly bigger or MUCH bigger?

Also, about those hardened seats, are they just for the exhaust valves
or are there also some for the intake valves? In Mondello's catalog,
they only list exhaust seats.

The '73's had smaller dished pistons than the '70's right? This will
yeild me more compression?
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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 19:00:40 -0800
From: "dan cox" <peachyst@earthlink.net>
Subject: i voted for butch's '60 olds coupe

what is the site address again?  kustoms of america, or something like
that.  your car looks good.  are those dual antennae on the rear quarters? 
nice wheels.  someday i'll customize.  maybe my '56 lincoln premiere or one
of my oldsses....hmmm
                                               happy motoring
                                             driver dan - los angeles

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:25:24 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 59 Olds

padavano.joe wrote:
> 
> Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> ..Sure enought, there it is, 394 on the Ninety Eight and Super 88, something I
> must have known, but must have forgotten.  These models used the Quadra-Jet
> carb....
> 
>      Actually, the Q-Jet wasn't released until 1966.  I assume you mean a
>      Rochester 4GC.
> 

Well Joe, Quadra-Jet was a typo on my part.  Should have been
Quadri-Jet.  Does that make a difference?  '59 sales brochure says
"Engine Date - Ninety Eight and Super 88 series: 394 cu. in. Rocket
Engine with 315 h.p., 435 lb.-ft. torque, 9.75-1 compression ratio and
Quadri-Jet Carburetor is standard."  And under specifications,
"Engine... Carburetor... Super 88 and 98 - Quadri-Jet".

Actually my '52 Features Folio album features the Quadri-Jet
Carburetor.  "All 'Ninety Eight' and 'Super 88' Oldsmobile engines are
equipped with the new Quadri-Jet Carburetor which increases high-speed
power and introduces new hill-climbing ability."  Although I was told
that the '52 Ninety Eight I used to own didn't have a "real"
Quadri-Jet...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Why do they sterilize the needles for lethal injections?

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:43:52 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Xmas Gifts Wanted (fwd)

  i never heard back about the clock,   i never met doug but have seen his
ads in 
jwo.. do you have any  70 sport mirrots. or horn buttons 70-2 sport wheels?
looking for emb on horn button thanks jeff...

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:44:21 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

Robert Barry wrote:

> The trouble is when it doesn't stabilize, but keeps climbing past 240' and 250'.

Yeah, you'd be pretty much FUBAR then... 

How hot does in have to get before it triggers the idiot light?  When my
20 year-old 195 T'stat (in the '78 Delta) stuck closed, the idiot light
came on (of course), and I'm just curious how hot it actually was...

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:48:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Oldsnut@aol.com
Subject: 10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?

Hi, all!  Well, I've finally decided to start working on my Olds.  I've
decided to make her into a street/strip machine.  The car is a 1970 Cutlass S
w/ a 350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08 rear.  The problem is that there is a guy
at work that has a 5.0 M*st*ng running 11s on N2O.  He thinks there is no way
my Olds will ever take his F*rd.  I am proposing to make my Olds run in the
10s utilizing 10 in. slicks and nitrous.  Has this ever been done?  (No I am
not crazy.)

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (305-4V, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:15:12 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile



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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:13:23 -0600
From: Thomas & Jodie Martin <jmartin@NetwurX.net>
Subject: The Radiator and Cooling

Here is something to think about, the radiator is not a true radiator, it is a
convector, it transfers heat from the engine to the outside air via the
antifreeze by way of CONVECTION.  Not radiation.  The only time it is a
radiator is when the car is stopped and the fan is off.

Look, just do it right, run the PROPER thermostat in your car and the car will
perform exactly how the Olds engineers designed it.  Ok?  If a W30 can make
400 hp with a 195 degree thermostat, by gosh that is good enough for me!  The
benefits of the engine getting to a hot enough temp to burn off any moisture
will make the engine last longer and the engine will get better fuel
eficiency.  

Running no thermostat is not "cool", so run one and have a good running car. 
A cooler one may give some more power, but if the car runs hotter anyway, it
will just take a few extra minutes to get to what it wants to run at.  Check
your spoilers (chin), bent fins, birds stuck in grill, and missing control arm
covers to keep the temp down.  

My Poncho 455 in my Trans AM ran a rock solid 180 with a high tech 180
thermostat, even at high altitude.  (14000 ft!!)

Have fun Oldsing!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:17:06 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Bashing 

I guess if I was following Jim's terminology I'd say this old b*tch will
take on you Q4 guys when I get my '72 VC (yes, big ol' VC) finished but you
know - I'm a bit tired of listening to all these pi*sing contests lately
with me vs. you.

Actually it seems that the technical and practical info that we're
accustomed to dealing with seems to be running thin lately.

Can we get off our soap boxes about who's better then who or what and get
back to simple Oldsmobiling?




Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:12:08 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Brake ? for '72 442

I have front discs on my Vista Cruiser.  If you are interested in swapping
it over, let me know.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 20:17:44 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 59 Olds

I have some good links off my web page for other organizations & clubs.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:18:20 -0500
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner options

Tim Rudolph wrote:
> 
>   I was wondering if there's such a combo for my '69 442 in a 14" round
> aircleaner (preferably chrome) that would clear both HEI and allow for an
> electronic choke.  I'm getting a new carb with an electric choke and am
> gonna follow with HEI soon after that.
> 
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible
You can get a standard 14' chrome air cleaner from Summit with their
name on it or get an AC/Delco unit with OLDSMOBILE on it from GM.  The
P/N is 12342070 and is listed in the GM Performance Parts Catalog (P/N
12365414).  The catalog is available at most GM parts counters for $6.95
and yes there are some Olds parts listed in it

Eric Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:53:12 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Bashing

James Thingwold wrote:

> Can we get off our soap boxes about who's better then who or what and get
> back to simple Oldsmobiling?

> Lisa Madsen

Hey Lis...  The Q4 guys can brag, yeah...  But who's the one people look
at when sitting at a light??  A Maroon 69 442, or a Maroon 89 442... 
<G>  Just blow it off...  Last 4 cyl I had died, they really aren't made
for racing anyways...  

Oh well...  Back out to my 87 Sharky...
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:44:50 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 98 Intrigue

Etzel, Bobby wrote:

> When I say this I don't mean a car we can take to the drag strip or
> outrun a Q4 (which some on this list thinks is the fastest car ever
> make), I am talking about a car that we can take on a 500 mile trip and
> when we get there can say "that was a comfortable drive, I can't wait to
> make the return trip". "Comfortable" that is what I want now that I am
> older, but there is a lot a car has to offer to make that trip
> comfortable.

I wouldn't mind that, I really don't look for stock cars to play on the
track with...  I would rather drive them to and from work...  But I like
cars that can get out of the way in a hurry, kinda like "back-up"
power!! <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:46:59 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: ? about connections

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> Don't worry about it, it's supposed to be there hanging free.  That's the
> connection to hook a dwell meter up to in order to set the mixture control
> solenoid on the carb properly.  If you follow the wire, it should go to the
> carburetor.

Cool, it felt kinda strange to have a wire just hanging there, seemingly
doing nothing, but unlike my last car, Olds doesn't put things in the
car unless it has a purpose...

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:57:53 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

Jason Adcock wrote:

> Where does everyone else's 307's run when the weather's hot?  

I like to keep it on the road if at all possible....   Something about
driving in ditches doesn't appeal to me yet.
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:03:25 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Lexus bashing

Tony Waldner wrote:

> >        Obviously you haven't driven a 300 hp Cadillac Seville STS.
> 
> I second that motion!  :)

Same here!!!
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
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 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:06:03 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: Lexus bashing

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:

> big block and a 4 spd. I'd like to see a street driven Q4 of any type (no
> NO2) run 12's in a quarter mile on street tires.

12's on the 1/4 would be a nice feeling indeed...  Heck, my slowest run
in my 87 STOCK is 12 on the 1/8...  Best being 11.50...  Not bad for a
motor pushing 130K and needing a tune up!

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:17:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling topics

Hi Jason,

> seems that everything is against the 307 and that 220 F is actually not
> bad.  Experiences?  Where does everyone else's 307's run when the weather's
> hot?  Thanks again...

Car: 1988 Cadillac Brougham; 307; 31" 3-core radiator (OE was a 2-core);
     180 F thermostat; Dex-cool; 7 blade clutched fan; 98200 miles;
     auxiliary transmission cooler in series with the radiator's cooler;
     the radiator (Modine, new) was painted with 2 extra coats of
     black Tremclad when installed just over a year ago

With the original 195 F thermostat, the coolant temperature would
regularly creep up to 212 F, but never any higher.  After installing the
180 F thermostat, the highest reading I've observed is 198 F, on an 85 F
day, stuck in stop-and-go traffic with the A/C on.  Coolant
temperature observations were made using Diacom on an XT notebook.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:12:25 -0500
From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*

Below authors wrote, in part;

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*
> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 1997 5:16 PM
> 
> Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
> > 
> > Why do I feel like I'm in high school again?
> Brent, I have to agree with you.  Maybe everybody that wants bragging
> rights to what's fastest, quickest, etc ad nauseum can meet in a central
> location, hit the strip and put up or shut up

I'll tell you something.  My OLDS is better than anybody's car.  It is
mine.

Dave Betz

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:19:24 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: My car can beat yours!?&%*

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> > Brent Pinkstaff wrote:
> > >
> > > Why do I feel like I'm in high school again?
> >
> To all who believe their car is the quickest....forget all of that.
> There is ALWAYS someone just a little quicker.  Keep that in mind.  

I would love to be the fastest guy at the track, but I learned one very
important trick to bringing home the money...  In Bracket races...  The
bigger, or more horsed engines don't mean a thing if you can't be
consistant...  My 77 Mustang II with a 2.3 carbed 4Cyl run a consistant
13.345-13.365, most being in the 13.35 category...  I have 35+ tickets
proving the runs in those areas...  It's a nice feeling to lose to a
fully decked out 93 Mustang on the track, but get the win on the
clock....   

BTW: The 77 2.3 is rated at 92HP, brand new...  Mine was 20 years old.

- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
     ___        HTTP://WWW2.Viperlink.Net/Members/IThEFunKI
 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:31:42 -0500
From: Jerry Christopher <IThEFunKI@ViperLink.Net>
Subject: Re: 442

Shaun Miller wrote:
> 
> Jerry christopher
> Hey jerry youre wrong about the q4.  
> themselves.  14.31 quarter mile is no "sunfire or cavalier engine".  the
> only time im seeing you is at the stop light!!!


I gave up on street racing...  It's not worth the time or effort... 
Yeah, I can give people a run for their money.......  Yeah, my 87 307
will smoke the tires if I play around with the brakes...  Yeah, the 307
needs gas more often....  But, when we're sitting at the light, and you
rev that little pissed off bumble bee, and I drop the power windows down
and pick up the chicks, who gets the last laugh....  Hey, after you're
done playing maybe I'll even drive by ya at the tire shop and wave...   

Heheheheh...   It's all a matter of personal opinion...  You like Q4s,
and I hate ALL 4 Cyls...  Now, can we drop this???  Please???  No matter
how much you say about the Q4, I doubt it will ever convince me that I
need one...  They just don't belong in an 87 Cutlass.  <G>
- -- 
             		    Jerry Christopher
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 ___/.o \__, 	     1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
_=O------O=__________It ain't my father's Oldsmobile_______

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Date: Tue, 18 Nov 1997 22:42:45 -0700
From: "Clarence R. Isaacks II" <ike.isaacks-denver@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: EGR is not A.I.R. (was: olds help, ?'s, info, goodies

padavano.joe wrote:
> 
> ..They are EGR bumps, however, since part of their (intended or unintended)
> function is to cause a restriction in the exhaust port, resulting in some of the
> exhaust mixture remaining in the combustion chamber, providing an EGR effect...
> 
>      Good point, however I must think that this is strictly an unintended
>      function in the "it's not a bug, it's a feature" vein, as the bump
>      existed as early as 1966, long before EGR was even conceived.  Clearly
>      the actual intent of the bump is to provide a location into which the
>      attach feature for the A.I.R. tubes could be machined.  Since it was
>      easier to maintain one casting design instead of two, the bump was
>      used on all heads, whether or not A.I.R. was used.
> 
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
Why don't you contact the man who really knows>>> Mondello

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 01:49:35 -0500 (EST)
From: BAD403TA@aol.com
Subject: Info for my 403 olds 

  Dear Olds know it all's .
Hi I am writing this E mail cuz i have no idea about what i can do to the 403
.
The 403 Olds is not in a Oldsmobile car of any kind , back in 1977-1979
Pontiac 
had the 403 as a option for the Trans Am , formally known as the K code motor
. 
  I was told the other day to check out some parts that go by the name or
code 
W-30, or i may have gottin it wrong, but I am sure u know what i am talking
about .
My car is not running so good the motor keeps bogging on me and i dont know
why.
I had the Carb rebuildt 3 times , up untill i screwed up the fuel bowl
chamber in the body of the carb by stripping the thred . I know that I now
need a carb , but that wont stop it from bogging , can u send me Info on the
W-30 parts , and what to look out for the olds , the motor is a good motor ,
and its not time for a rebuild or replacement motor .
  All n all I just dont know to much about the motor . Please send me some
info on the 6.6L 403 OLDS . 
 Thank u very much , I better go now , bye 

Thanks again 
BAD403TA
R.Hastings 

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 06:49:44 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 403 Carb H*lp

Not a list member, reply to him directly...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	BAD403TA@aol.com
Subject: Info for my 403 olds 

  Dear Olds know it all's .
Hi I am writing this E mail cuz i have no idea about what i can do to the 403
.
The 403 Olds is not in a Oldsmobile car of any kind , back in 1977-1979
Pontiac 
had the 403 as a option for the Trans Am , formally known as the K code motor
. 
  I was told the other day to check out some parts that go by the name or
code 
W-30, or i may have gottin it wrong, but I am sure u know what i am talking
about .
My car is not running so good the motor keeps bogging on me and i dont know
why.
I had the Carb rebuildt 3 times , up untill i screwed up the fuel bowl
chamber in the body of the carb by stripping the thred . I know that I now
need a carb , but that wont stop it from bogging , can u send me Info on the
W-30 parts , and what to look out for the olds , the motor is a good motor ,
and its not time for a rebuild or replacement motor .
  All n all I just dont know to much about the motor . Please send me some
info on the 6.6L 403 OLDS . 
 Thank u very much , I better go now , bye 

Thanks again 
BAD403TA
R.Hastings 

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 07:09:12 -0400
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Oh, C'mon....

Jerry Christopher writes:
>My 77 Mustang II with a 2.3 carbed 4Cyl run a consistant
>13.345-13.365, most being in the 13.35 category...

>BTW: The 77 2.3 is rated at 92HP, brand new...  Mine was 20 years old.

You gotta be kidding me....!

92 HP and what, a 3000 lb car? And you run 13.3's in the quarter?????

I would guess the 1/8 mile time is more like it.

>It's a nice feeling to lose to a
>fully decked out 93 Mustang on the track

Speak for yourself, if that's what you like....



Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:26:33 -0500 (EST)
From: Bowtie911@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 400 Engine

If you still have this engine, how much are you asking.
Harvey Shaw
bowtie911@aol.com
65 442

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:06:46 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: E heads Big vs Small  valves and WTB(455)

>>>From the olds FAQ, I see that there were E heads with large and small
>>valves.  Can you tell the difference with out removing the heads?  What
>>about with the heads on.
>
>No, there is nothing externally to identify the heads as BV or SV units. You
>can tell, however, if you know what their original application was:
>


There IS a way to tell big valve and small valve E heads apart without
taking it off of the engine.  In 1970 ALL small valve heads ran a single
valve spring with a rotator.  All big valve heads ran a single valve spring
with a damper spring and rotator.  So all one has to do is to pop off a
valve cover and look for damper spings inside of the valve spring.

keep in mind that this applies to '70 heads only.  Most '69 and older
engines ran
damper springs on all applications mwithout rotators. Some '71 motors ran
rotators on exhaust only and dampers on intake only. '72 motors follow
pretty much the same rule as '70s
and the only big valve head produced after '73 was the ultra rare 455
4-speed Cutlass cars made in '73 and some marine K-heads.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:22:46 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: ? about connections

Jerry Christopher wrote:
> 
> Tom Lentz wrote:
> >
> > Don't worry about it, it's supposed to be there hanging free.  That's the
> > connection to hook a dwell meter up to in order to set the mixture control
> > solenoid on the carb properly.  If you follow the wire, it should go to the
> > carburetor.
> 
> Cool, it felt kinda strange to have a wire just hanging there, seemingly
> doing nothing, but unlike my last car, Olds doesn't put things in the
> car unless it has a purpose...
> 
well.....most of the time..one other wire to look out for on the H.O.
307 is the power feed for the non-existant knock sensor.  Look for a
not-connected weather-tight connector on the drivers side of the intake
manifold, next to the carb.  This little beauty has a 12v hot in
it...one day the connecter came face to face with the EGR solenoid or
something and MELTED...when it melted far enough the 12v feed grounded
out blowing the circuit that feeds all the computer and most of the
computer related sensors on the engine...took me three days to find the
damn thing and about 20 seconds to fix....

- -- 
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 09:55:27 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 59 Olds Super 88 - Engine Questions

> We are currently restoring our 59 Olds Super  88 " 394" 4 Barrel.
> We have located a completely machined and rebuilt engine which the owner
> claims is a 394 but unsure of what year.
> Could some one help us with thes questions based on the Block & Head #'s
> given:
>      Head  583832
>      Block  585786
> 1)  Can we find out what year this is?
>  2)  Would it be the same block bolt pattern etc. as the 59 engine?
>  3)  Would it be a straight swap?
>
> We are trying to keep this vehicle as close to original as possible
> therefore would prefer
> not to make any alternations to install this engine.
- ----------
I've seen this block number on what was claimed to be a complete '64
394. Don't know about the heads though. One thing though, they would
have to be 371 or 394 heads as the earlier 303 and 324 heads will bolt
up, but there will be intake port matchup problems.
- --
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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 21:53:50 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: 10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?

>Hi, all!  Well, I've finally decided to start working on my Olds.  I've
>decided to make her into a street/strip machine.  The car is a 1970 Cutlass S
>w/ a 350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08 rear.  The problem is that there is a guy
>at work that has a 5.0 M*st*ng running 11s on N2O.  He thinks there is no way
>my Olds will ever take his F*rd.  I am proposing to make my Olds run in the
>10s utilizing 10 in. slicks and nitrous.  Has this ever been done?  (No I am
>not crazy.)
>
>Paul Pate


Hey Paul --

I don't know how you are going to do it but I suppose it can be done.  My
85 Cutlass Salon runs pretty consistent 12.70's at around 107 MPH at
Brainerd International Raceway and at Rock Falls race way near my home town
in Minnesota.

My car as been stripped of almost everything. I have an aluminum plate
where the heater and A/C used to be, no radio, spare tire,jack or other
weight adding items,  I have a manual steering gear out of a Chevy S-10 and
manual brakes. I have eliminated about 250 pounds out of my car plus power
robbing power steering.

My 455 dyno'd at 523 hp at 5350 RPM. my car weighs 3445lbs with me in it
and 8 gals. of fuel.

In order to get 10.5 second quarter mile passes takes a tremendous amount
of power and not a lot of weight.  I know that my car will never gat into
that range!  I will be very happy if I can get into high 11,s!

Your car is much heavier than mine, runs a small block and a lousy rear end
ratio.  It is going to take a lot of money to gat that car to turn 10's.

The cars running into the 10's here are very exotic.  I hope you can do it
because I would like to see a small block Olds in this range!

Good Luck!

Tony

70 442 W-30 (Never seen the drag strip,never will!)
70 Toro GT W-34 (9.77 E.T. 76 MPH 1/8 mile)
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed (15.02 E.T. 90.1 MPH trophy winner)
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer (!2.73 ET 107.33 MPH)
92 Seville STS (Not raced at strip...yet!)

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:52:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Info - '78 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham w/T-tops

> > I have a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Brougham, V8 (350), loaded w/T-tops.
> > Is it a collectors car?
> > What is it worth?
> 

[good advice snipped]

> I say, don't worry about it.  If you are happy with the car, then by all
> means, fix it, drive it, and enjoy it.  Because they just don't make
> the  '78 Cutlass anymore.
> 
> My opinion.
> Mike Rothe


Well said, Mike!  I have a '78 Cutlass Calais that I love dearly, and
though they're not collectors, they're Oldsmobiles, and that's good enough
for me!

8)
peg
'78 Cutlass Calais
'86 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 12:48:09 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 78 -->77 engine swap

In a message dated 97-11-19 05:35:33 EST, you write:

<< 
 I will be swapping out an engine on a 1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale, with 
 a 350ci 4bbl, to a 77 Cutlass 350 4bbl, will this be as simple as it 
 looks? Basically, as far as I can tell so far, everything should just 
 hook right up, anything special with motor mounts or anything? 
 
  >>
As long as they are both Olds motors (I'm figuring they are...), then yes,
it's a simple "swap".

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 13:38:41 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: 10.50 ET 70 Cutlass?

Paul Pate wrote:

Hi, all!...I am proposing to make my Olds run in the 10s utilizing 10 in. 
slicks and nitrous.  Has this ever been done?  (No I am not crazy.)

     Paul,
     
     No, you're not crazy.  I had a 71 Cutlass, which I've written about in 
     this forum in the past, which unfortunately went away in the divorce.  
     The car ran 11.95@115.5 mph at LA County raceway on its only time at 
     the track, but was in no way properly dialed in; I'm sure that 10s 
     were possible when properly set up.  I'll elaborate:
     
     The car was a 71 Cutlass Holiday Coupe (like you were expecting 
     anything else from me? ;-)  Engine was a PAW 462 (455 + 0.030) with an 
     Isky 286 degree cam and forged 10:1 pistons.  Heads were stock Gs with 
     large valves; no porting or other head work was done.  Stock rockers 
     were used.  Ran a Toro oil pan with a Mondello pump.  Intake was a 
     long out-of-production Edelbrock low-rise dual-quad with a pair of 500 
     cfm Carter AFBs using progressive linkage and a custom-fitted "100 hp" 
     plate-type nitrous system from NOS.  Used Kenne-Bell headers into 2 
     1/2" pipes and Walker turbo mufflers.  Ignition was a stock point-type 
     distributor with Accel parts.  An electric fuel pump fed the gas from 
     the stock tank through 3/8" lines to the engine (this will be 
     important later).
     
     Transmission was a TH400 with a B&M rebuild kit and a Kenne-Bell 
     switch-pitch torque converter.  A Type O 12-bolt posi rear end ran 
     3.42 gears and Lakewood ladder bars.  I ran 10 inch wide, 29.5 inch 
     tall Mickey Thompson slicks.  The car itself had a one-piece 
     fiberglass front end from VFN (although I added full lights and 
     factory grilles, so the weight savings was not as great as could have 
     been), Wolfrace buckets (like Recaros), back seat removed and 
     carpeted, and a 4-point roll bar.  I never did get a weight on the 
     car, but I'll bet it was at least 3400 lbs.
     
     I was invited to run the car at LACR by Car Craft magazine.  After 
     driving up to the track (I lived in Hawthorne, CA at the time), we 
     found out that the nitrous solenoid didn't work.  A rather lengthy 
     trip into Palmdale secured a new part, but by the time we got it 
     installed and debugged, it was fairly late in the day.  There was only 
     time for a few runs, with the best the 11.95 noted above.  Note that 
     this is with the car completely as street driven to the track, with 
     the exception of the addition of the slicks and dropping the exhaust.  
     Absolutely no attempt was made to tune the car to optimize performance 
     and following the one good run, fuel pressure started to drop off 
     during each subsequent run.  
     
     The other problem, even on the good run, was that the car would not 
     launch.  The 3.42 gears and the height of the tires made it impossible 
     to get any kind of a decent launch, even with the converter on high 
     stall and activating the nitrous at launch - I'm afraid to think of 
     what the 60 foot times were.  The 115 mph top end is consistent with 
     cars running low 11s or high 10s, so clearly the inability to launch 
     the car handicapped it dramatically.  I never did get the gears 
     changed, and shortly after that we moved to the east coast, followed 
     by the divorce.  Based on my experience with a totally non-sorted car 
     with mis-matched components, I'd have to say that 10s on the bottle 
     are certainly achievable in a 70 Cutlass.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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