
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, November 9 1997       Volume 01 : Number 944



442 Performance Specs
RE: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88
Update on my car, plans... #2
Re: GEARS
Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C
Re: Lindberg W-30
Re: Update on my car, plans... #2
Re: Tires !
Greetings
Re: Dashboard
Re: Buzzed
Red Ertl '69 442
Re: Update on my car, plans... #2
Re: Update on my car, plans... #2
455 Flexplate onto 400/425
Re: '55 Rocket 88 FS
Old Old's
Re: GEARS
Re: Good School
Speaking of stolen cars...
Re: Good School
Re: Buzzed - better late than never?
Fuel-Injection Info...
conv top frame
66 carb #
350 L-notch crank
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #941
Re: Chroming
Re: Update on my car, plans... #2
Re: extrusion honing
Re: Rear Defrost
Re: Tires !
Re: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88
Re: 63 Starfire
Re: GEARS
Shelby Series  1
Re: Greetings
Re: Fuel-Injection Info...
Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?
Re: Buzzed
Re: High-Output Headlights
Greetin's and Salutations

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:11:07 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: 442 Performance Specs

> Does anyone have copies of different 0-60 and quarter mile times recorded
> for the 442s over the years in magazines?  It may be a interesting
> comparison to see how different (or similar) the 442 has been on the track
> over the years in stock form...

        Mike, I have a link to a page off my page that contains an article that
says it was published in the September '64 issue of Motor Trend regarding the
F-85 Cutlass 442 Road Test for that year.  The URL is as follows:
        http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug/cars/1964-MT-442-art.html

The following is a small portion of the data supplied about this car:
      PERFORMANCE
ACCELERATION (2 aboard)
   0-30 mph..................3.1 secs.
   0-45 mph..................5.1
   0-60 mph .................7.5
PASSING TIMES AND DISTANCES
   40-60 mph.................3.6 secs., 263 ft.
   50-70 mph.................4.5 secs., 396 ft.
Standing start 1/4-mile 15.5 secs. and 90 mph
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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:28:40 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88

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	Searching the web I found this very interesting decoding of carb id's. =
May be is of interest to someone.=20

P.D. I still need help.

=20
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De:	Raul Martinez [SMTP:rmart@satlink.com]
Enviado el:	S=E1bado 8 de Noviembre de 1997 15:11
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88


	Looking at my carb I found a circle stamped in the metal with the =
number 7020715.

	I don't know if this is the famous "tag" and also I can't  identify the =
carb from the ones listed in the chassis service manual 1966 or the list =
Chris Witt sent to us of available carbs.

	Please any help is appreciated. Keep in mind my car is an Export =
version (low compression).

	Regards.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 14:52:09 -0800 (PST)
From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Update on my car, plans... #2

Hello Guy's an Gal's.  

I'm sure some of you read my earlier post about Lucille eating another
transmission.  Well, I've been hunting a cheap temporary car to buy so
I can take my time fixing me up something fun.  At first I was looking
for some sort of cheap jap car or something like that.  My dad agreed
to help me in buying something though, so that about doubles the
amount of money I can spend.  Saw a car sitting among a bunch of other
cars on the side of the 4-lane out here.  I've been wanting a wagon
for a while lately anyway, and I'm thinking this might be just the
ticket.  I found a 1984 Custom Cruiser, blue, bit of a dent in back
d-side 1/4 panel, rest of body is straight and paint is shiny,
interior is very nice.  The car says $750 on the front windshield. 
Nobody was in when I dropped by so I haven't heard it run yet. 
According to the VIN #, it's got a 307 in it (was anything else even
available?).  Assuming no major problems, is this a good price?  I
have never looked into buying one of these before, so I have no idea
what it should be worth.  Where should I look for problems with the
car?  What sort of gas mileage can I expect with this car assuming
307/THM200 or 307/TH350?  

Here are some other options that I found 'round about.

1970 Olds Delta 88 two door, nice interior, decent body, palm sized
hunk of bondo popping off of d-side door.  Forgot to write down VIN #,
and didn't see motor, but I think it's a 350 car.  Nice gold color,
57,000 original miles, but looks like it's been stored outside most of
it's life.  $800.

1984 Cutlass Supreme Brougham, blue/blue, very very nice interior,
straight body, trunk lid rusted pretty bad, but is the only rust on
the car, 307 according to VIN #, don't know price.  BTW, I've got a
couple of nice rust-free trunklids.

1969 apx. Lincoln 2 door, black/black, tinted windows, very straight
body, no obvious rust, decent interior, prob. a BB car, don't know
price, in same lot as wagon.


Well, those are the cars that I am the most interested in that I saw. 
I'm sort of leaning towards either the wagon or the Delta 88. 
Obviously the wagon would be more utilitarian than the 88, but I've
had an 88 before and it was a really great car (source for Lucille's
motor).  I'm thinking maybe the wagon because it's newer and might
have fewer problems for me to try to correct.  The Delta 88 does have
less mileage on it (don't know how much less, but much less, only
57K!) it does, though, have quite a few years on it, and obviously
(what with the bondo and all) it has had bodywork done at some point
in it's life.  The Lincoln might be fun too, but it's... it's... well,
it's a Lincoln :-)
Then there's the Cutlass, I don't know, a nice G-body might be a good
place for Lucille's motor to go, but what would I drive in the
meantime? If it runs pretty good and is cheap I could just drive it
as-is though I guess.

Opinions?

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@ETSU.edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
__________________________________________________________________
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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:32:26 -0600
From: "Tracy H. Shires" <twodogs@ou.edu>
Subject: Re: GEARS

At 04:40 PM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does any one know if there is a good donor that might have 3:23 or 3:42
>gears that the whole rear end will fit in an 86 Cutlass.  I have been doing
>a little math and I think one of these ratios would realy wake up the 307
>and still be good on the highway with the over drive.  The local wrecking
>yard has a sign up at the gate that says, rear ends hub to hub $85-$125. I
>figure if I can find a donor that might have these ratios it might be worth
>the effort.  I know they have ratio codes stamped on the housing on some.
>What code would I want to look for and in what  body and year.  Mont* C*rlo
>SS, GN, 442, and H/O's all had
>3:73's if I under stand correct.  I dont think I want to go that low because
>I will still be making a couple 2400 mile trips a year with the car. 
>
>I plan to go back to the yard sunday if all goes right.
>
>Thanks for any clues or ideas.
>
>
>Clarence
>86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d 
>

Souds kinda similiar to a post of mine a year ago for my 81... I can't find
the exact codes off hand but it defininately has to be a gn or ss. Every
local salvage yard I tried didn't have what I needed - I had one yard use a
locator to find me one, but they wanted WAY too much for it.... What I
ended up doing was buying a new gear from summit.. Richmond Gears makes
aftermarket gears from 3.42 - 4.56 ration for both the small (numerical
lower than 3.08) carriers and large. They run about $185 for the gear. Just
a thought if your not lucky enough to find em.

I swapped my 2.29 for a 3.73... That change alone gave me almost a 3/4 s
difference on the 1/8 mile run - of course I burnt the tires all the way
through the 60 ft block hehe, 1 thing at a time... So it does make a big
difference..

One thing to note though.. With my 200-r4 on normal driving I hit 4th gear
around 35 miles per hour.. Doesn't do much for gas mileage. I talked to a
buick guy about this and he said the tranny would do much better with a
govenor calibrated for the 3.73.. I have spent countless hours with my
tranny shop guys - but they seem to not understand it has to be REPLACED -
not adjusted....

Later, and Good Luck!

T. H. Shires			81 Rckt 350

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:24:45 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Retro fitting OEM A/C

Robert Barry wrote:
 
> Well, the holes in the firewalls for the heater boxes are significantly
> different, so you'd have to do some "cut and paste" with a torch in there to
> make things fit. (I considered doing the opposite, and even got a non-A/C
> heater box, but then noticed the firewall stampings are completely different).
> 
> Then you'd get to route the vacuum lines, change the heater control unit,
> adapt the wiring harness, upgrade the cooling system, and *then* you could
> install the actual A/C components themselves. It might be possible to do
> this swap from an intact donor car, along with another intact A/C car for
> reference, but working from just a box of parts would be very near impossible.
 
> Whatever route you take, it's *not* just a weekend afternoon job! Good luck!

Amen to all that!  I've got all the parts out in the garage to install
factory air in the convertible.  Just can't seem to work the courage to
mess with that firewall.  Some of the parts are installed already.  I've
installed the condensor, replaced the radiator and water pump with A/C
units, hung the compressor on the engine (which required moving the
alternator to the other side, switched out the vents on the dashboard
and installed the under dash vent to the left of the 8-track.  Can't
really do anything else until change that firewall.  The rest of the
parts are still laying in the garage awaiting installation.  'Course, at
this point I'd probably want to replace the heater core as well as the
evaporator core, probably should also replace the receiver/dryer and
compressor as well.  Then there the cost of charging the system to
consider.  Now you see another reason why this project isn't done yet. 
I think I remember seeing an ad in Hemmings about a year and a half ago
for conversion plates, but never followed up on it.  Don't think I've
seen it since.  I'll have to check with a buddy that saves these and see
if he has that issue.  I think it was May '96.  I'd still like to finish
this project someday if I could find someone that could modify the
firewall and have it look totally factory and not look like a chop job.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:29:21 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lindberg W-30

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
 
> Would you have a number for Lindberg? I don't want to open my box
> but would like to have the right hood and lenses for if and /or when I do.
> Thanks....TIM

Lindberg Model Customer Service
P.O. Box 878
Toledo, OH  43607

"Be sure to include the kit number, part number and your return
address".

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:35:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Update on my car, plans... #2

Those are some interesting cars you're looking at... who sez we car folk 
are *normal*? ;-)

The '70 Delta would be a fun car to have as a hobby, and the motor has 
got to be worth something all by itself. But like you say, as a driver it 
might be a bit of a challenge if it has a bunch of little problems. 

As for the '84 Custom Cruiser, you might remember I came real close to 
buying one of those myself earlier in the summer (the old guy who thought 
it was worth $3K and got insulted when I offered him half that, remember? 
BTW, I saw the car about a month ago, without plates, guess he gave up on 
it). From driving it, I can tell you they are very smooth and quiet, have 
good brakes, and scads of room. Absolutely no punch at all though, that's 
a lot of car for the 307 to haul around. Check especially around the rear 
window for rust, both at the tops of the quarters and at the underside of 
where the tailgate window meets the roof. Also where the roof rack 
attaches to the roof.

They'd make a good parts hauler though, and since I got my house I found 
myself wishing maybe I had bought a wagon instead of the sedan just for 
the carrying space.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:41:18 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Tires !

Sylvan Williams wrote:
 
> Kelly makes a 235-60-14 in their "Charger" line and BF-Goodrich makes a
> 240-60-14 in the Radial T/A's.  Happy tire shopping!

Yeah, but these are either blackwall or raised white letter and they're
too wide to put on a full size car with making it look ridiculous.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:41:36 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Greetings

My name is Jeff. I'm from the Atlanta area. My dream car is a '71-'72 Cutlass
442 convert. Like a fool I let one go a few years ago and have been looking
for a replacement since. I had a vending spot at the National Meet. My wife
and I had such a nice time we took a long weekend about month later and flew
up to Lansing to look around. I'm married with cats and the current
newsletter editor for the Dixie Olds club. My hobbie is parting out '68-'72
Olds then sharing, bartering, trading, selling off my finds.  Looking forward
to hearing from you.

Jeff and Linda

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:56:51 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dashboard

 I buy parts for 68-72 
a bodies what do you have? I am looking for sport mirrors for 70 442-cutlass
also for
71-2 different from 70  jefff

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:58:20 -0500 (EST)
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Buzzed

tim try the horn relay....
jeff atl,ga

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:13:23 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Red Ertl '69 442

If you're interested in parting with $39.95 plus shipping, this place
has Ertl '69 442s in Crimson Red.

See them at: http://www.peachgmp.com

They are a serialized run, limited to 2500 pieces, and are produced
exclusively for this company by Ertl.  Saw then in an ad in Hemmings.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:13:33 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Update on my car, plans... #2

At 10:52 PM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hello Guy's an Gal's.  
>
  What sort of gas mileage can I expect with this car assuming
>307/THM200 or 307/TH350?  
>
I have an 86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d.  In town I average 17-18 mpg with a best
of 19.2.  On the open highway it averages 23 -25 with a best of 27.4.  I
drive it pretty hard so the milage will be more with a diffrent driver.  I
crusie at about 75 or 80 on the highway, the car was designed for when the
speed limit was
55.  I dont know if any body else is running the 307 o/d combo that might
give the mpg to get kind of an average between drivers





>
>
>
>Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
>Clayton Pierce,
>zcwp11@ETSU.edu
>the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
>__________________________________________________________________
>Sent by Yahoo! Mail. Get your free e-mail at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:39:55 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Update on my car, plans... #2

clarence wirtz wrote:
>
> I have an 86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d.  In town I average 17-18 mpg with a best
> of 19.2.  On the open highway it averages 23 -25 with a best of 27.4.  I
> drive it pretty hard so the milage will be more with a diffrent driver.  I
> crusie at about 75 or 80 on the highway, the car was designed for when the
> speed limit was
> 55.  I dont know if any body else is running the 307 o/d combo that might
> give the mpg to get kind of an average between drivers

My 307 only will get me 19-20 mpg on the highway, albeit with no
overdrive.  At 75 mph, I'm running about 2250 rpm.  I should be getting
better than this, shouldn't I?
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:52:11 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: 455 Flexplate onto 400/425

There was a thread here awhile back--'the Rocket Scientist' maybe- about
modifying a 455 flexplate to fit the older 400/425 blocks. Am in need of a
400 flex plate and have several 455 units already.

Can anybody help?
Peter
CoupeKing@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 20:54:00 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: '55 Rocket 88 FS

At 04:28 PM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>were is this located?
>
>At 03:52 PM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>    Found this in the local paper.  Thought I'd pass it on.  Usual
>>disclaimers apply. 
>>
>>             Oldsmobile 1955 4 dr. Rocket 88  
>>             rusty & restorable
>>             $750/offer    Dick,   716-823-7846
>>


      Location would be near or around Buffalo.   Western NY. area

      Glenn
      '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 15:12:08 +1300
From: D T Smith <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Old Old's

Thanks Drew for the pictures, they were very helpful.
They answered the questions about the size and shape of the bumpers.

A lot of nice photo's of Oldsmobiles, especially liked the 33' Coup, you
were right Doc Bob, my 403 would go well in a 33  ;-)

- -- 
Dave.T.Smith
403
39' Chev
N.Z.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 97 21:16:56 EST
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: GEARS

At 04:40 PM 11/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Does any one know if there is a good donor that might have 3:23 or 3:42
>gears that the whole rear end will fit in an 86 Cutlass.  I have been doing
>a little math and I think one of these ratios would realy wake up the 307
>and still be good on the highway with the over drive.  The local wrecking
>yard has a sign up at the gate that says, rear ends hub to hub $85-$125. I
>figure if I can find a donor that might have these ratios it might be worth
>the effort.  I know they have ratio codes stamped on the housing on some.
>What code would I want to look for and in what  body and year. 

     The '69 Olds with a SF code was an anti-spin axle with a 3.23:1.  Type 'O'


   Glenn 
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 21:31:38 -0500 (EST)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Good School

a major for cutlass supreames????? im goin there

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:39:02 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Speaking of stolen cars...

In following with the lengthy discussion of thefts lately, list and
otherwise, I have a recent event to share.  I'm installing a remote car
starter in a 92 f*rd Exploder today.  Owner shows up at 5 to check on
it, and I tell him I'll have to work into the night on it; things
weren't cooperating very well for me.  Starter was working great, but
still had to tackle the keyless entry, so he said to roll it out back
and leave the keys in it; he'd pick it up later.  Which prompted me to
remind Jeremy (close friend and boss) that the neighbor's security
lights are burned out in back, and we should maybe get on the landlord
for it...  Ours still works (one of 'em) so it wasn't any problem yet,
but still noteworthy.  After all the list talk lately, I figured it
should be mentioned, at least.  Shortly afterwards, Tyler (salesman, kid
with '85 442) goes out back to bring his car in the shop, clean it up a
bit -- Saturday night, ya know...  Tells Jeremy his van's gone, Jeremy
shrugs it off.  (We're all practical jokers here, anyway.  Not a day
goes by that one of us doesn't come in with the words "dude, what
happened to your door!?" or something similar.  6:00 rolls around,
Jeremy's done with the books, goes to leave.  Comes back in, says "all
right Tyler, where'd you move my van?"  Both of 'em still assuming the
other is playing a joke.  Well, it's gone.  Stolen.  Period.  Drove
around the mall here, no sign of it, so went to the cops.  Just as we
were getting there, they were going out to investigate a recoverred
stolen vehicle.  Creepy.  Turns out three men walked away from a
pre-release center in Bismarck ND today sometime, and were tracked to
Beach ND (somehow) about 70 miles from here, where they (allegedly)
stole an '84 f*rd extended cab pickup.  Which happened to be recoverred
in the parking lot next to our store.  All surrounding counties were
notified, and someone reported seeing a similar van heading north to
Culbertson while we were at the copshop.  The dispatcher was loving it,
most excitement they'd seen in a long time...  

They'd recoverred the f*rd with keys still in it, parked legally (not
just abandoned on the side of the road, etc...) so we've got high hopes
they'll recover the van in one piece.  Helps knowing who did it, too. 
The irony of the situation is that Jeremy and his wife left Bismarck
this morning after a Garth Brooks concert, - they'd bought close to
$2000 of kitchen cabinets there, to remodel their new house, too (all
still in the van, of course-same stuff here in Sidney was close to
$4000)  Jeremy came in this morning commenting about a soda he'd bought
in Beach that exploded all over him and the van...  Too ironic! 
Jeremy's supposed to go to Billings MT tomorrow, his father's having
surgery there.  I'm wonderring if he'll see his van on the way...  My
fingers are crossed (as are his) for the safe return of the van, CD
player, and the 30 or 40 CD's he had loaded up for the trip.

Yes, by the way, his keys were in the ignition, all day long, a practice
that I'd ~often~ given him a hard time about.  Ya just don't see much of
that happening around here, I guess.

As for the Olds content?  (Gotta have some!)  Right next to the van was
an 85 T-top Black 442, and an 83 T-top black Cutlass, near perfect
twins, both locked up tight as a drum, ~and~ both still here.  Oh, and I
don't think I'll be pushing this exploder out tonight, either.  He can
call when he's ready for it!  :)

Once again, good luck to those whose children are still missing. 
Somebody in Beach ND is getting a refreshing phone call abouts now... 
- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 19:45:10 -0700
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Good School

I don't get what yer talking about here! oh yea i'm NOT Igor! i'm
dragoncharm. have a nice life!
~DrågöñCh@rM~

- ----------
> From: BMAN6771@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good School
> Date: Saturday, November 08, 1997 7:31 PM
> 
> a major for cutlass supreames????? im goin there

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:54:32 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Buzzed - better late than never?

>Also, I turned on the interior lights and the buzzer went off. 

Went off, not shut off, right?  (Had to read it a couple times;) You
didn't accidentally turn the park lights on, too, did ya?  That ~should~
make the buzzer buzz with the door open.  Having the dome light on only,
with the door open, should ~not~ make the buzzer buzz.  Double check
those steps, I guess.  Make sure I'm not misreading your testing
procedures (sounds scientific, doesn't it? ;)  

> I did unhook the harness at the column and the buzzer stopped.  Could
> there be any other possibilites other than the ignition switch?  

Possibly, but my gut instincs says not...  If the ~interior~ lights are
causing the buzzer to go off, then there are definately other problems. 
If it's the park lights, it's normal.  That being the case, I'd be
~very~ quick to condemn the key-in switch (seperate from the ignition
lock cylinder, it's just a plastic switch that slides into the cylinder
assembly)



- -- 
Charley Buehner         Sidney  Montana
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
81 Cutlass 425     Rockit 1
70 Buick GS455   BT UR 4D
               ... The Heartbeat of America???  It's in my mirror.

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:12:09 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Fuel-Injection Info...

Ok guys and gals.  In the December issue of Hot Rod magazine they have a tech
article on fuel injection on page 58 called "Say Hi to EFI", and in it they
discuss EFI, it's benefits, etc., detail several companies that market EFI
set-ups for vehicles.  They list a description of a company called "Turbo
City", and I'll quote the company line here.  Just thought this might
interest a few people who have discussed it in the past.  I'm giving all info
that was included in the article.

- ----------
Turbo City

Working exclusively with GM wet-flow throttle-body fuel-injection units and
software from late-model truck applications, Turbo City modifies them for
virtually any engine that has an intake manifold.  Several systems are
available-the single 550-cfm throttle body is good for up to 350 HP and the
dual throttle body setup for small block Chevrolets, which makes use of
refurbished and updated '82-'84 L-83 Corvette/LU5 Camero Cross Fire Injection
manifolds, is good for as much as 500 HP.  In other situations, an adapter is
used to mate the throttlbody to a carberator manifold.  While Turbo City does
manufacture custom wiring harnesses for tuned-port fuel-injection engines,
the only ready-to-run kits available utilize wet-flow throttle-body
injectors.

Aimed primarily at the general performance and towing market, Turbo City has
carved out a niche among owners of Oldsmobile-powered motorhomes who seek
more power and economy than their Rochester carburetors can provide.  All
Turbo City systems are closed-loop, using factory GM Delco components for
easy service and diagnosis.  Custom PROM chips are assigned to each customer
application.  As with most EFI conversions, the stock mechanical fuel pump
must be replaced by a high-pressure electric pump, also available from the
manufacturer.

Turbo City
Dept. HR12
1137 W. Katella
Orange, Ca. 92867
(714)639-4933

- ---------------
If anybody has had expirience with these guys, it'd be interesting to hear
about (ie: how good they work, what they cost, how hard were they to setup,
etc.....).  It doesn't list a price, but as with any of these types of
things, I'll bet they're not cheap.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:15:09 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: conv top frame

Subject: Conv. frame
Is there any way of replacing one of the bolts in the conv. top frame.
Somebody tried to break into it by ripping the top and trying to pull it
back.  They bent one of the supports and broke one of the bolts.  If
not, how much does a conv. frame go for?  Are there any out there?
- ------------------------------

Bummer. Really no point in locking a convertible, is there? That's one reason
that laws requiring one to lock one's car are really stupid. Not all cars or
owners are alike. Jerkwad thieves anyhow.

I have a spare top mechanism or two. They're around.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:26:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 66 carb #

Subject: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88

        Looking at my carb I found a circle stamped in the metal with the
number 7020715. I don't know if this is the famous "tag" and also I can't
identify the carb from the ones listed in the chassis service manual 1966 or
the list Chris Witt sent to us of available carbs. Please any help is
appreciated. Keep in mind my car is an Export version (low compression).
=====================
That round tag near the front would be where the '66 and some '67's bear the ID
#. Has Dylsexia transposed a couple #'s? I'm used to 7026xxx for 1966 and
7027xxx for 1967 carbs, like yours might be 7027015 ? That sounds like a '66 or
'67 number.
- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 22:29:22 -0500 (EST)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 350 L-notch crank

From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: H*lp with Crankshaft ID

I have a '68-9 ( I think ) 350, #5 heads, dual exhausts, 4bbl--and the crank
has the infamous 'notch' seen on forged cranks.

Is this possibly a forged crank in a 350? Was there such a thing?
====================
Some 350 Nodular iron cranks had the L-shaped notch. A Good Thing, to be sure,
but forged, don't think so.

- --
Chris  B. Witt :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu :=: Location: Mecca [Lansing, MI]
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 19:57:58 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #941

Had this inquiry by a non-list member, can someone point him in the right
direction?  E-mail him at NRMasonry@aol.com

I am looking for a complete rear axle assemly from a late model(after
1983) 442 Olds with the 8.5" rear 3.73 or 3.42 ratio Do you know where to get
one?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser (twin hauler)

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:01:34 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Chroming

Hi all,

I have been trying to get a hold of Mike Aldana to no avail.  Has
anyone on this list ever got a bumper chromed from him? Does anyone
know what his chroming process is?

What about the overall quality of the rechroming/reshaping?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 20:01:41 -0800
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Update on my car, plans... #2

Jason Adcock wrote:
 
> My 307 only will get me 19-20 mpg on the highway, albeit with no
> overdrive.  At 75 mph, I'm running about 2250 rpm.  I should be
> getting better than this, shouldn't I?

Well I get 12 mpg with my 307 in the 82 DRB.  I go half streets/half
freeway.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:45:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: extrusion honing

In a message dated 97-11-08 03:22:54 EST, you write:

<< Greg Pruett wrote: 
 > Chris Brown Witt wrote:
  > Dang, $2000 for an engine! Assuming that's not PER HEAD co$t there...
 > > Gets me to wondering:
 > > 2) I bet we can design a simple system to <snip> hold up quite well to
abrasive slurries.
<snip>
 
 How about a hydraulic cylinder.... PVCpipe... some sort of piston ...
 , push it out the cylinder ... suck it back though the manifold...  No
 valves, bearings,  When the PVC pipe wears out just replace it for $5. 

 it works.  ... electric motor(maybe drill attatchment?)... some type of
crank 
  It couldn't spin very fast,... it would vibrate like
 hell ....  Then again, if you built two, you could
 race them. :)    
 
  Greg Pruett
  >>

What about something that uses gravity and air pressure
 with no moving parts?    TIM

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:48:59 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Rear Defrost

>> I don't think there was any connection between the A/C and rear-defog
>> options; they have nothing particular in common
>
>That's not a correct statement.  From '70 to '72 the rear defogger
>switch was an integral part of the HVAC controls.  He'll have to find a
>standard heater control with a rear defogger switch in it, or, since
>there's already a holw in the switch panel, he could get away with
>changing the applique on the front.  They used different appliques for
>heater, heater with rear defog, A/C, and A/C with defog.  I've seen a
>few of the A/C/Defog ones, but can't say that I've ever seen a
>heater/defog one, although I'm sure they exist.

Since I've got an original A/C car, but would like to add the rear defogger,
I'd like to know if the appliques for the front of the controls are
reproduced; that would save me from having to replace an entire working unit
just because the front fascia is different.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:49:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Tires !

>>> Isn't it true that the size closest to 8.50-14 equal to a 235-14 and not a
>>> 225-14.  I know that this is what is on my car now, and the speedometer
>>
>>235/14s are not available anywhere as far as I know.  The largest tire I
>>was able to come up with is the Cooper Trendsetter 225/14.  They're a
>>big improvement over the 215/14s that I took off.

235/70-14's don't seem to exist, but there are 14" 60-series tires available
in 235 and 245 widths, as well as 50-series tires in 245 and 265(!) widths.
I wouldn't count on those filling up the wheelwells, though.

If the 225/70-14 tires are too short, you might try some 225/75-14" tires,
which the Coker tire catalog lists as equivalent to the 850-14/855-14.

Of course, Coker also lists the reproduction tires in the 8.50-14 size, if
you're ever so inclined ($116 apiece, though). There is also a more
affordable H78-14 sized tire, but with the wide whitewall, that has a 27.6"
diameter.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:49:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Need Help identifying my Carb 1966 Delta88

>	Looking at my carb I found a circle stamped in the metal with the number
7020715.
>
>	I don't know if this is the famous "tag" and also I can't  identify the
carb from the ones listed in the chassis service manual 1966 or the list
Chris Witt sent to us of available carbs.
>
>	Please any help is appreciated. Keep in mind my car is an Export version
(low compression).

OK, I looked through the big AC-Delco "9X" catalog, and could find no
reference to such a carb. This is the most complete and comprehensive
listing I know of (need to know the accelerator pump assembly part # for a
1967 Checker Marathon 2-bbl? It's in there...). The '66 carbs had a round
tag that sometimes fell off; maybe this is a different stamping?

That carb # is also unusual, though the '66-'67 carbs did have very
non-standard numbering schemes. It's unlikely that it's a service carb,
which usually had numbers from later, not earlier, years. 

Actually, I forgot to ask, but is this a square-bore Rochester carb, or a
spread-bore Quadrajet carb? The earlier (1960-1962) Rochester 4G carbs had
the 7020xxx numbering scheme, but Olds switched over to the Quadrajet with
the '66's.

If you do open it up, let me know the numbers/letters stamped on the jets,
as well as the primary and secondary rods; I'll add them to the ol' 9X.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 23:49:04 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 63 Starfire

>I have a 1963 Oldsmobile Starfire Convertible. It is complete, 
>servicable, running, with little rust. Ready for restoration. It is in 
>south central Nebraska.

That sounds like a nice car; good luck with your project! This is certainly
the place to ask questions about your restoration, so fire away!

>I can transport.

Um... great! We never really doubted that you could, but glad you cleared
that up for us!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:00:38 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: GEARS

In a message dated 97-11-08 11:41:56 EST, you write:

<< What code would I want to look for and in what  body and year.  Mont*
C*rlo
 SS, GN, 442, and H/O's all had
 3:73's if I under stand correct.  I dont think I want to go that low because
 I will still be making a couple 2400 mile trips a year with the car. 
 
 I plan to go back to the yard sunday if all goes right.
 
 Thanks for any clues or ideas.
 
 
 Clarence
 86 Cutlass 4dr 307 o/d >>

Clarence, the standard gear in most all of the GNs and T Types was
the 3.42...Go to the Turbo Regal Home Page for the ID numbers....

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 00:03:34 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Shelby Series  1

The December 1997 edition of Motor Trend has couple of pictures of the
above Olds powered car being manufactured by Carroll Shelby.  Article
starts on page 95  and goes on for 4-5 pages.  Cost is to be $100K.  He
is trying to build a 2350 pound car with p/w, a/c, etc.  Production
starts March 1998.  I don't know if the Internet version of Motor Trend
has this or not.  Just thought someone might be interested.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:03:01 -0600
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings

OldsGuyGA@aol.com wrote:
> 
> My name is Jeff. I'm from the Atlanta area. My dream car is a '71-'72 Cutlass
> 442 convert. (Snip) (Cut) 
> 
> Jeff and Linda

HI Jeff and Linda,

    Congrats for getting on the Oldsmobile list. I hope you will enjoy 
the list as much as most of the people on here do. There is alot of good 
information you can pick up off of this list. As far as your dream car
is concerned I know the feeling of selling a nice car or two back in the 
70's for way to little example a 1971 GTO HO for $300 wow what was I
thinking about at that time? Good luck on the list and enjoy.

Tom Williams
Columbus, NE 68601
70 W31

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:38:53 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel-Injection Info...

- -----Original Message-----
From: CRuper1@aol.com <CRuper1@aol.com>
>
>Aimed primarily at the general performance and towing market, Turbo City
has
>carved out a niche among owners of Oldsmobile-powered motorhomes who seek
>more power and economy than their Rochester carburetors can provide.  >
>Turbo City
>Dept. HR12
>1137 W. Katella
>Orange, Ca. 92867
>(714)639-4933
>
http://www.turbocity.com/

Daren

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:53:50 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 4bbl carbs on '78-87 Cutlass?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Padavano.Joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>
>     No, they didn't.  The only G-body cars to come with the Turbo Buick
>     3.8 liter V-6 from the factory were the Regal T-Type, the GN, the GNX,
>     and the Monte Carlo.
>
Don't forget the Regal Sport Coupe. They also had a turbo 3.8 in them.

Daren

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:26:39 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Buzzed

Yes, that reminds me...I'm having a little trouble with my buzzer as
well!  There's a small difference, though...mine works just fine, but I
hate it!  It drives me up the wall!  Is there any quick way to
disconnect it?  What does the buzzer look like?

(On a '78 Delta 88 4dr.)

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 01:44:12 -0600
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: High-Output Headlights

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
>That would put me in the same shape as those f***ing f*rd
>trucks.  (The number one reason behind my superior hatred towards Ford
>Motor Company

Look on the ~bright~ side since they are a ford product they probable won't
be on the road for long :)

One thing you can do to make sure you are getting everything out of your
headlights is to check the voltage on the sockets for the lights. Late model
C\K pickups lose between .5 to 1.5 volts by the time the electricity gets to
the lights. I checked mine a couple weeks ago and there was 11.7 volts at
the socket. I put a jumper wire from the battery to one of the lights and
even though it wasn't completely dark out yet I did notice that the one with
the jumper was noticeable brighter. A relay some 10 gauge wire and some
sockets from the junkyard can easily fix it, now it just a matter of finding
time to do it.

Daren

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Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 02:56:55 -0500
From: Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>
Subject: Greetin's and Salutations

        Greetings to all you regular readers of the Oldsmobile Mailing
List!  I just joined like 2 days ago and am looking forward to tradin'
ideas and experiences with y'all.  As you can see from my signature, my
Oldsmobile is a 1976 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham into which I've
"shoe-horned" (not a real appropriate term as it was an EASY fit) a
freshly rebuilt (by myself and The Balancing Act - St. Catharines,
Ontario, CANADA) 468 BigBlock Chevy motor.  I've noticed that some
people are very sensative about mixing parts (especially engines) from
one division to another - I tend to see it all as GM so they're all
good, quality parts.  =B)
        I came about acquiring my Cutlass from my brother last fall
right after he got the body redone and painted.  He didn't even drive it
himself since it's been painted!!!  The car was in storage the past 2
winters and it will never see another winter so long as it lives.  I got
the chance to weight the beast at our local land-fill site and she
tipped the scales at a whopping 4100lbs with the old 403 in 'er.  Since
the 468 won't be running until the spring of '98 I won't have any weight
or performance figures until then.  With the 403, however, the car's
best time was a 16.2 @ 84.4mph.  With the new drivetrain I am hoping to
get FAAAR into the 13s if not sneak a bit into the 12s.  The engine is
expected to produce 400HP, so the formula to work out the estimated E.T.
taking the weight into consideration equates 12.87 seconds @ like 105mph
or so.  The rear end is a 10-bolt posi from a '77 4-4-2 that has 2.41
gears in it (the original rear-end in the car was a non-posi 2.41,
swapped when the 403 was put in place of the original 350 which I still
got).  The gears of course are going to be changed next year, but I
wanna get some performance stats first.  I'll be interesting just to see
how much of an improvement the engine alone makes.
        You can check out the web page dedicated to this wonderful piece
of American machinery at http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/  I've got
MANY thumbnailed pictures of the car along with the specs and
performance stats.  I've already received e-mail from some people
actually putting my project down, telling me that the car won't be worth
anything or that it's far to heavy to do up for performance, but there's
a lot more to consider.  This thing is superb.  The interior needs
almost no work except for the carpet which will be replaced.  It's all
original by the looks of it - some kinda crushed velvet with
super-padded seats.  It's a major danger if you're at all tired when
you're driving this thing, but it's come in handy before when I've been
many a mile from home and I need to catch some shut eye (I never knew a
back seat could be so comfortable - even without a good woman!  =B)
J/K!!  Please, though, feel free to let me know what ya think - in fact,
I'd ask you to do so!  Please.  Good or bad.
       I've already come across several little mods and tips/tricks that
I wouldn't have known had I not attempted this, so if anybody out there
is doing any sort of a project on this type of Cutlass and you need a
question answered, ask away - I'll see what I can do!
- --
Trevor Lee (aka Screech), Owner - TL Tech
Rat-Powered '76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/
mailto:Trevor Lee <lee@mergetel.com>

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