
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 31 1997       Volume 01 : Number 931



Shelby Olds
Re: Split Fire
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: What to do?
Re: Split Fire
Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: Split Fire
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Split Fire
Re: Split Fire
Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: power seats
Suspension Parts
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: Extrude Hone...
Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk
Re: What induction?
Re: Split Fire
Re: Supercharge a 455
RE: Hard Hot Start Tip
Deserted Island
Re: Holley Carb.
Re: Split Fire
RE: Supercharge a 455
Re: car but not Olds related....and then some...........
1966 Delta 88
Re: New Olds fan needs help
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: car but not Olds related....and then some...........
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: Halloween Parade duty
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: digital dash
Re: car but not Olds related
Re: Deserted Island
Re: Supercharge a 455 -Reply
Losing My Hearing, or, The Radio Is Getting Weak.
Re: Re: Split Fire
A/C wiring harness
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: Split Fire
Re: 1966 Delta 88
RE: Supercharge a 455
'67 Cutlass sway bars
Re: Deserted Island
Beautiful day in central IL.
RE: 1966 Delta 88
Rallye350 Web Page
Re: Supercharge a 455
Re: the Quad 442
Re: Supercharge a 455
THIS JUST IN!!!
Re: Deserted Island--the continuing saga

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:08:17 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Shelby Olds

Has anyone else seen the new "Motor Trend Magazine"? Has an article 
on Carol Shelby and also about his new Oldsmobile Powered Sportster 
he's creating. Its an Aurora V8, I know that, and the performance 
parts he's fabricating from scratch, which is kinda goood, because 
historys shows Mr. Shelby knows how to supe up a car! :) So for all 
Aurora Owners, be prepared for some kick *ss aftermarket parts. :)

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:15:20 EST
From: Olds307Y <Olds307Y@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I have no time slips i race on the side with friends from the auto trade. But
i tell you now my car is not as stock as it seems i have no computer my carb
is a mechanical q-jet i hav e a vacum advance distrbutor accel super hei coil
also plugs are gapped at .060  head work and i control lock up on the
converter also i have 2.73 gear posi. i have been estimated at sped excess of
160 on the New Jersey Turnpike also custum made ram air

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:20:05 EST
From: Olds307Y <Olds307Y@aol.com>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

i totaly agree with you there is no way anybody could beat the torque of an
olds

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:18:36 EST
From: Olds307Y <Olds307Y@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme

A squeaking is probaly cause bye truck material i tighened everything possible
ans it still squeaks so do worry about it to much

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:20:16 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: What to do?

I understand the feeling, after 84, I feel like a first year cadet 
again. :)


> padavano.joe wrote:
> >
> > Yep.  Just showing my ignorance about any Olds built after 1972.
> >(As a side note, I saw a 72 Supreme at the Templeton show with a decal
> >in the back window proclaiming:
> > 
> >"It's true Olds built cars after 1972, but who the h*ll cares?"
> > 
> >Couldn't have said it better myself :-)
> >
> >Joe 
> 
> Well...based upon the recent number of numerous inquires lately, I'd say 
> that there are a lot of people out there who care about late model 
> Olds...Now I'm not trying to start a war, just wanna make the point that 
> some of us do not have the resources to get a '70 W30, so we go for the 
> next best thing an 80's CS with a 350 or so in it....its not a classic, 
> but its keeping the tradition alive...I love the 60's-70's era muscle 
> car as much as the next guy, but ain't go the moola man...
> Can't we all just...get along...
> 
> John
> '86 Cutlass Supreme
> 
> ______________________________________________________
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> 

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:23:50 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I have no computer in mine either, still got a q-jet for now, working 
on determining the size of a used holly. May I ask who made the 
custom ram air? I have been looking for that for my car, and now that 
I have sold my 75 Olds 98 Regency, I can actually aford it for my 
77 cutlass :)

1977 Cutlass 350 4bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale.

> I have no time slips i race on the side with friends from the auto trade. But
> i tell you now my car is not as stock as it seems i have no computer my carb
> is a mechanical q-jet i hav e a vacum advance distrbutor accel super hei coil
> also plugs are gapped at .060  head work and i control lock up on the
> converter also i have 2.73 gear posi. i have been estimated at sped excess of
> 160 on the New Jersey Turnpike also custum made ram air
> 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:28:40 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme

How many miles are on it? Might want to check the Rear End, thats 
what my moms 84 resulted in after 120,000....

> A squeaking is probaly cause bye truck material i tighened everything possible
> ans it still squeaks so do worry about it to much
> 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 07:56:19 -0700 (MST)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

>Beverley Horn wrote:
>> 
>> I have the chance of purchasing a 25yr.old Holley 650 Double Pumper Carb.
>> (4bbl). The guy wants $30 for it but it needs a Carb rebulid kit. Should I
>> buy it and do the rebulid? Would it give me good performance on a Rocket
>> 350? Is this Carb worth buying? Would it fit the Rocket 350?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Shayne Horn
>>  1970 Rallye 350 (restoring)
>> 1985 442
>
>
>shayne you need to check with a local parts supplier that has some 
>experience with holley's and see if thay still sell parts for this 
>carb.....at the car lot...we had a 1967 factory carb off a ford product 
>and the parts for this carb are unobtainable.......so you might want to 
>wtach out for this problem...but holley's on oldsmobiles are GREAT..the 
>greatly enhance the performance of the secondary kick down reation 
>time...Hoagie
>
>"drop the top...and rattle the pipes!!!"
>
>1970 cutlass SX convertible
>1971 442 W-30 convertible
>1971 442 holiday coupe
>

Do I have to put a different manifold on? If so, what kind?

Shayne Horn
1970 Rallye 350
1985 442

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:56:11 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

ahh if his 307 won't get ya, us quad 4 guys will take take of them, i ahve no ttrouble beating stock 5.slows and turbo 2.3 and laser daytona or what not. 


time spils are one thing but it's a whole different game on the street, and my Q4 is one heck of a tough car to beat on the street, due to it's awesome launch potential. I leave 

poor mustang drivers at teh line spinning their wheels.


Jeff

just blowing some steam







>Olds307Y wrote:

>> 

>> Also i have a 83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with the F41 ride and y307 it has

>> 150,000 miles on it and still kills rustang 5.slows. i eve ncould boast that i

>> have ran a couple of  350 gold motor the oly got a chance to see the

>> driverside of my car and the tail lights as i pealed off. The 307 is a great

>> engine the minute you get rid of the computer .

>

>Hmmm.... are you serious?????? I have raced a couple of 307 powered cars

>and they are not that quick, although I never got a chance to talk to

>the owners I am guessing they were stock??? This summer I raced a 86 or

>87 442 at the dragway with with my recently sold 93 rustang 5.slow ;-)

>and I beat him buy a full 1.2 seconds and 8mph at the track. I also used

>to street race my Olds (when I was young and stupid in the late 80's)

>with its original 350 and had no trouble with these cars when they were

>new, although it was usually a pretty close race..... I would be

>interested to see some timeslips from your car, I just don't see a 350

>powered Olds or a 5.0 Mustang getting its A** kicked by a 150k mile

>307....

>

>Steve

>71 Cutlass S 455

>86 Mustang LX w/ 88 T-Bird turbo 2.3

>

>

<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:59:09 -0500
From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

At 11:36 PM 10/30/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Well, I got to look at the Quad 442 the other day....

>NOT W41, might be W40. It's a 1990...

>

>Long list of codes on the sticker in the trunk, W40 being the last one. Nice

>wheels, aluminum, Olds ID. Car has been repainted [hides a multitude of sins?]

>

>I saw rustholes thru to the carpet in the rear wheel well. Car looks good at

>first glance. Well maintained, but 151,000 miles. Looks to be original radiator

>hoses, kinda cracked.


Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 




<center><paraindent><param>out,out</param>Jeff Verkleeren 

<bold><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Scholar -- Gentleman  --  Judge
of Beautiful Women and Fine Whiskey

</color></bold></paraindent>Mechanical Engineering 

Penn State University

</center>mailto:jev114@psu.edu

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:57:47 -0600
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I have tried the Splitfires, and no, they are not worth the money in my
opinion.  What I would like to see if someone really claims they may
more power, is to buy a NEW set of AC or Autolight plugs (forget
Champion, they are worthless for a GM car, had 2 sets FAIL, i.e., open
plug, not worth a penny a piece IMHO!),

1.  Install NEW AC or NEW Autolight plugs.  
2.  Take to track or a controlled area.
3.  Make several passes, measure 60 foot time, 100 foot time, and 1/4
mi. time.
4.  Install NEW Splitfires.
5.  Make several passes, measure 60 foot time, 100 foot time, and 1/4
mi. time.
6.  Compare data on a spreadsheet or something you can view data.

If you cannot get traction to make consistent runs, do 50-70 times, or
30-50 and 30-70.  Compare those like above.

Then post the data for all to see.  Note all track conditions, temp,
pressure, wind speed and direction, direction of track, etc.

Ensure engine is fully warmed up, nothing to skew your results of the
passes.  Keep everything the same.

You will most likely find that paying $50 for a set of plugs is not
worth what little, if anything, you gain.  

If I am not mistaken, wasn't Splitfire sued by the feds like Slick 50
for false claims?  When I see that, I turn the other way and get what
works.

If you want a trick plug, go buy some AC or Autolights, spend about 1/2
hour and side gap them, and run that.  Those do make slightly better
power.  Granted, they only last about 4000-6000 miles, but I don't care,
if it works, that is all that counts.  If you read old magazines like
CC, HR, PHR, you will see ads from the late 60's and early 70's on some
new trick plug to make you more power.  It died.  

I am skeptical of anything that makes big claims, because most do not
deliver.  When most companies make the claims, they are not telling you
all the data, what did they compare to, probably used 30000 mile plugs.
Of course you will get a power gain!

Save the $50 from your plugs and buy a AMSOIL or K&N air filter.  That
will make you more power than the plugs will!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:23:05 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Okay,

	In general, Splitfires will not gain you anything.  The split is used to
make you think that you'll be getting two powerful sparks, or "twice as
much", right?  Splitfire plugs cannot possibly do anything like this unless
they have some sort of "micro-coil" inside them that pipes out a little
extra juice.

	Electrons gather at sharp points or tips.  This is fact.  With regular
plugs, you have one tip to choose from.  With Split Fires, you have two,
but it will only discharge from one at a time (not both), so you really
gain nothing, except maybe a slightly emptier pocketbook.

	So anyway, my take is that Split-fires are basically a crock, made to sell
to people who don't know any better.  Oh yeah...and don't forget those
"dual core" Split Fire plug wires, too!  give me a break.  Save your money.
 Buy a Delco plug and gap it appropriately for your application.  And if
you're still disappointed with performance, look elsewhere for a scapegoat.

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S' 455

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 09:30:23 -0600
From: "Green, Andrew" <acg@datalogics.com>
Subject: Re: Rattle in rear end of 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme

>> Would anyone have any ideas on what could be causing a loud ratlle
and
>> squeak in the rear end when riding on a rough road in a 1984 Olds
>> Cutlass Supreme Brougham?  It is a V8, rear wheel drive car.  The
>> muffler has been checked.
>
>Look around the rear wheel well openings inside the trunk; where they
>meet the raised part of the floor (below the rear deck).  Look for any
>cracks/corrosion in those seams.  I've seen this cause a nasty squeak,
>and I've seen it on several cars, too...

Sigh... Oh, yeah. My '82 had the floor completely separate from the
inner wheel well along that seam; you could see daylight through the gap
until I patched it with flexible caulk. Fortunately the carpet covered
most of the repair so it wasn't too unsightly. My car had T-tops so it
probably had more body flex than a closed car.

Can you reproduce the rattle just by bouncing the car while it's
stationary? How about rocking it side-to-side? Is the trunk empty or
full? Gas tank fuel level make any difference? How about when driving it
in the rain?

I would suspect the rear suspension first, especially if the noise
changes when the car is wet. Maybe some bushings are dried out, or that
notorious rear frame rot has rusted out the body mounts between the rear
wheels and rear bumper. If you can put the car up in the air, you might
find the offending rattle from underneath.
- --
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Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:11:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: power seats

In a message dated 97-10-31 00:52:42 EST, you write:

<< Let's say I have two driver's side bucket seats from 87 Cutli, both of 
 which are power.  Is it possible to just turn the motor around on the 
 bottom of the seat and perhaps reposition the switches, so I would then 
 have a driver's side AND a passenger's side power seat?
 
      Why do you have to turn the motor around?  The track doesn't care 
      which side of the car it's on and the seats are symmetric (except 
      for the seatback release).  Just bolt it down on the passenger side 
      of the car.  I suspect all you'd need to do is reposition the 
      switches (possibly needing to lengthen the wiring as a result).  
      This will require cutting holes in the plastic trim on the seat  >>

Just a thought to add here, If you do have to lengthen the wires.  When
you rotate the switch tothe opposite side of the seat, either the up/down
or the front/back switching will be out of sink.  Might be able to switch
these
leads at the time of lengthening and have everything in order.....TIM

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:16:31 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Suspension Parts

Is there any opinions on front end suspension parts for a rebuild on a 69
442 w/455. 

PST?
Just Suspensions?
Others?
Rubber:?
Polyurethane?

I currently have a problem with bottoming out the front end. (most likely
original spring with sag)

Any opinions on spring rates?
Should I go with 69 442 w/ a/c springs?
Does anyone make 69 H/O springs(i.e. similar engine\car combo)?

What would should I expect for a labor charge for the work?

Thanks in advance!

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
69 442
69 442
66 Mustang ( Wife)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:19:20 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

>Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
>Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
>weighs 64 lbs!!!

Really? Heck, that'll put the engine-hoist companies out of business...

> Puts out 120 hp too.  Its big claim to fame appears to be the
>fewer parts it uses 400+ as opposed to the 600 in its prior version.  In
order

Ya know, I've disassembled my share of Olds V-8's, and I don't think there
are 400 parts in _three_ Olds engines! Unless, of course, they are counting
each link on the timing chain and every screw as a separate part...

>to get the fewer parts and less weight they have rearranged the intake
runners
>and exhaust manifold and the water pump is part of the block.  Hope that pump

Sounds like those ingenious F-rd inline-6 motors of days past (which btw
put out a whopping 72hp from 250ci; the record for the lowest hp/ci from a
postwar engine). And don't the Chrysler motors have the water-pump housing
built into the engine, such that you only bolt on a cover with the impeller
and bearing?

Nice ideas, Toyota; maybe they'll get even simpler, and reintroduce a
valve-in-block arrangement. Can splash oiling be too far behind??? ;)

>doesn't break, but I guess at 64 lbs you could remove the engine with one
>hand.  Amazing.  I would guess this is an extremely reliable engine too,
given
>Toyota's reputation.

It is a nice change from all those engines with variable valve timing and
the associated cost/expense/difficulty to repair. Someday I might want to
restore an Aurora, but I *wouldn't* want to pay for the valvejob!
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:23:21 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

>> Aside from the '77 Toro motor, they've all got the same manifolds, cams,
>> compression, valves, etc. They're all the same. Don't hold your breath
for a
>> solid-main web engine...
>
>Was the '77 Toro a solid-main web motor?  Most (if not all) others (260,
>350, 403) are open-web, right?  Are most Ch*vy engines open-web as well?

Don't think so. Only the later ('77-up) Olds motors have windowed mains. I
guess that GM engineering determined that the Ch*vy block needed all the
help it could get, while the Olds block was tough enough to be webbed and
still warrantied.

>The solid-main blocks can stand up to more punishment, right?  Is this
>what most racing engines use?  I've always wondered how stock cars can
>run SB V8's up to 9500rpm, and not be sweeping up pieces with a
>dustpan...

Those race engines don't much resemble the pieces found in, say, an '82
C-10 pickup; everything is a custom, dedicated race-piece, *especially* the
block. Oldses can't compete, because the factory and aftermarket doesn't
produce an appropriate block. It is interesting the use made of the Olds
diesel block about 17 years ago, which *was* a factory piece.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	     MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado		 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX	 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited	 409/TH400

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:24:27 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

I am attempting to put a Procharger supercharger on a 455.
Has any one done this and or converted the v belt system to
a serpentine system ?
Thanks
Marcus McGee

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 08:52:39 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Extrude Hone...

Mike,
Thanks the tips, interesting, if pricey stuff.
cf


>For the curious, here are the costs that were quoted to me using the
>Extrude-Hone abrasive machining technology:
>
>>$500.00 for the exhaust manifolds
>>$365.00 for the intake manifold
>>$995.00 for the cast iron heads
>>$750.00 for aluminum heads.
>
>Extrude Hone mentioned that they can gasket match the heads and do any
>handwork you want before processing the heads.
>
>Extrude Hone's phone is 1-800-613-1065. This information came from Rick
>Miller, Customer Representative at Extrude Hone.
>
>
>
>Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:55:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stinky Upholstery--yuk

In a message dated 97-10-31 05:58:23 EST, you write:

<< Peg, try one of the Kitty Litter type products with an oder remover.  My
wife
 had an old suitcase that smelled very bad that she wanted to use for a room
 decoration.  I told her to try charcoal which didn't work too good.  She
 tried Kitty Litter - it worked fairly well. >>

Hey dont forget good ole Baking Soda,   ahhh, err, is that Baking Powder,
no wait its Soda,   or is it......TIM

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:56:25 -0500 (EST)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: What induction?

In a message dated 97-10-30 23:56:09 EST, you write:

<< Greg Pruett wrote:
 > 
 > 
 > > Also I'm thinking the Holley electric hipressure fuel pump would
probably
 > > be kind of loud. Would it be possible to _safely_ fabricate a fuel pump
for
 > > the FI system they lives in the gas tank like the new cars and still
have
 > > the fuel guage work? I'm guessing it might be possible to retain the
 > > sending unit and combine it with the  pump from a modern FI vehicle.
Dumb? >>


HEY GREG? What car is this for?

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:57:00 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

I think the word John used was "crock".  I'm not far off that position.  I'm
just very skeptical of all these claims, from Splitfire and the oil additive
folks too.  Anecdotal claims of improvement really don't mean much, even when
they're coming from me!!  For example, I tried an oil additive and was fairly
confident I measured a 5% MPG increase but realistically I know there are
other  variables present that could easily swing my MPG measurements by that
5%, such as air temperature or driving style, speed, etc.  So, until these
companies offer documented scientific studies by *named* laboratories I'd
withhold my $. Seems like I did read a report in MCR or Hot Rod a while ago on
the AC Rapidfire plugs.  They did control for all the significant variables and
came up with very little additional benefit for the AC rapidfire plugs,
primarily smoother idle if I remember right.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 10:59:33 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

I wasn't aware they made superchargers for 455, who makes them?


> I am attempting to put a Procharger supercharger on a 455.
> Has any one done this and or converted the v belt system to
> a serpentine system ?
> Thanks
> Marcus McGee
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"The needs of the many outway the needs of the few, or the one."

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:13:24 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Hard Hot Start Tip

Having read the fairly consistent hard hot start threads in the group
over
the past year or so, I thought you all might benefit from my recent
experience.

Just a little free advice -- those #6 are much more common in parts
stores.
The person who had your car before you may have innocently replaced the
proper #2 with #4 or #6 (ya know, all of them are pretty thick...),
leaving
you stranded on hot summer days.

Compare your starter and battery cables to known #2 and see if they
measure up.

Hope this helps!
cf
- ----------
Good advice! I think there might be a lot of 2 guage cables being
replaced with 4 or worse. When I replaced mine about a year ago, no
parts stores in my area had 2 guage. One place asked if the car was a
diesel. 2 guage was special order. Might be worth it to grab one at your
local "real cheap" parts yard, JIC (just in case).
- -- 
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:12:37 -0500
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Deserted Island

A rather inhibited and stuffy engineer finally splurged on a luxury
cruise to the Caribbean.  It was the "craziest" thing he had ever done
in his life.  Just as he was beginning to enjoy himself, a hurricane
roared upon the huge ship, capsizing it like a child's toy.  Somehow the
engineer, desperately hanging on to a life preserver, managed to wash
ashore on a secluded island.
Outside of beautiful scenery, a spring-fed pool, bananas and coconuts,
there was little else.  He lost all hope and for hours on end, sat under
the same palm tree.  One day, after several months had passed, a
gorgeous woman in a small rowboat appeared.  "I'm from the other side of
the island," she said, "Were you on the cruise ship, too?"
"Yes, I was," he answered.  "But where did you get that rowboat?"
"Well, I whittled the oars from gum tree branches, wove the reinforced
gunwales from palm branches, and made the keel and stern from a
Eucalyptus tree."
"But, what did you use for tools?" asked the man.  "There was a very
unusual strata of alluvial rock exposed on the south side of the island.
I discovered that if I fired it to a certain temperature in my kilm, it
melted into forgeable ductile iron.  Anyhow, that's how I got the tools.
But, enough of that," she said.  "Where have you been living all this
time?  I don't see any shelter."
"To be honest, I've just been sleeping on the beach," he said.  "Would
you like to come to my place?" the woman asked.  The engineer nodded
dumbly.  She expertly rowed them around to her side of the island, and
tied up the boat with a handsome painter of hand-woven hemp topped with
a neat back splice.  They walked up a winding stone walk she had laid
around a Palm tree.  There stood an exquisite bungalow painted in blue
and white.
"It's not much, but I call it home."  Inside, she said, "Sit down
please; would you like to have a drink?"
"No, thanks," said the man.  "One more coconut juice and I'll throw up!"
"It won't be coconut juice," the woman replied.  "I have a crude still
out back, so we can have authentic Pina Coladas."  Trying to his
amazement, the man accepted the drink, and they said down on her couch
to talk.  After they had exchanged stories, the woman asked, "Tell me,
have you always had a beard?"
"No," the man replied, "I was clean shaven all of my life until I ended
up on this island."
"Well if you'd like to shave, there's a razor upstairs in the bathroom
cabinet."  The man, no longer questioning anything, went upstairs to the
bathroom and shaved with an intricate bone-and-shell device honed razor
sharp.  Next he showered-not even attempting to fathom a guess as to how
she managed to get warm water into the bathroom-and went back
downstairs.  He couldn't help but admire the masterfully carved banister
as he walked down.
"You look great," said the woman.  "I think I'll go up and slip into
something more comfortable."  As she did, the man continued to sip his
Pina Colada.  After a short time, the woman smelling faintly of
gardenias, returned wearing a revealing gown fashioned out of pounded
palm fronds.
"Tell me," she asked, "We've both been out here for a very long time
with no companionship.  You know what I mean.  Have you been lonely...is
there anything that you really, really miss?  Something that all men and
women need?  Something that would be really nice to have right now!"
"Yes there is!!"  the man replied, shucking off his shyness.  "There's
something I've wanted to do for soooo long.  But on this island all
alone, it was just....well, it was impossible."
"Well, it's not impossible, anymore," the woman said.  The man,
practically panting in excitement, said breathlessly:
"You mean you actually figured out some way we can check our Olds e-mail
list here?"
Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:43:17 -0500 (EST)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Carb.

an edelbrock or even a holley manifold will work.  anything will work if you
can put a standard holley or a square bore carb on it.  you can put it on a
stock manifold with one of those adapters.  they sell for about $30 at most
places.  here is the main difference between a square bore and a spread bore:
a square bore has all four barrels the same size and they are pretty close
together.
a spread bore has two small barrels(primary) and two big barrels(secondary).
the bolt pattern is just a little different.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:47:03 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

In a message dated 97-10-31 07:31:23 EST, you write:

<< epistemological >>
huh??? gotta look that one up!!
Bernie...........new scarey jersey......ooooooooooooooo!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:06:24 -0600
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Supercharge a 455

	After I find some extra money I would like to do the same.  I
was going to have the brackets fabricated at a machine shop my company
deals with.  I love the supercharger noise.  Call Summit and tell them
to get on March to make some pulleys for Olds, if they hear it enough
they might do it.  I was planning on using a Paxton.  I have also
recently seen an electric supercharger for $1500 - that should be real
easy to hook up.  I have not heard any reviews on this. Only if it makes
that beautiful noise.
	Luke 71 442
> I am attempting to put a Procharger supercharger on a 455.
> Has any one done this and or converted the v belt system to
> a serpentine system ?
> Thanks
> Marcus McGee

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:43:34 EST
From: RCKTPWR <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related....and then some...........

In a message dated 97-10-31 12:26:16 EST, you write:

<< doesn't break, but I guess at 64 lbs you could remove the engine with one
 >hand.  Amazing.  I would guess this is an extremely reliable engine too,
 given
 >Toyota's reputation.
  >>
all is true about reliability, but hey we are car enthusiasts..........toyota
has one of the dullest car lines, every car they make couldnt make my pulse
jump one beat.
 Want to make any toyota invisible???  Park it next to my 67 442 conv or
F-85!!!!
>>my halloween 2 cents
- --booo bernie...........ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:01:16 EST
From: ejhufnagel@juno.com (Edward J. Hufnagel)
Subject: 1966 Delta 88

     I've been watching the list for the last couple weeks and don't see
much about the older big cars. I just bought a Delta a couple days ago
and the body style tag number  says it is a "Celebrity Sedan". What are
the different characteristics between this model and the 'Holiday Sedan'
of the same year?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:08:47 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Olds fan needs help

In a message dated 97-10-31 12:19:52 EST, you write:

<< >
 >Was the '77 Toro a solid-main web motor?  Most (if not all) others (260,
 >350, 403) are open-web, right?  Are most Ch*vy engines open-web as well?
 
 Don't think so. Only the later ('77-up) Olds motors have windowed mains. I
 guess that GM engineering determined that the Ch*vy block needed all the
 help it could get, while the Olds block was tough enough to be webbed and
 still warrantied.
 
 > >>

I have one '77 motor which is solid mains, maybe it's an early piece, and the
change came later.  Although I was told it came from a truck, maybe I should
look at the stamping on the side of the block (do give a partial VIN,
right?...).

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:11:52 -0500 (EST)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

In a message dated 97-10-31 12:25:58 EST, you write:

<< 
 >Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
 >Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
 >weighs 64 lbs!!!
 
 Really? Heck, that'll put the engine-hoist companies out of business...
 
  >>

That may just be the weight of the block (short block).    I can't see the
motor (fully assembled) weighs just 64 lbs....(!!!!!).  Especially with 1800
cc.'s.  Small motor, yes, but my bike motor (which is only a 750 cc.) weighs
that much, at least.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:25:08 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related....and then some...........

Yes, you're quite right on dullness.  Their cars are unrelenting vanilla,
although the Corolla we had liked to rev.  But for my wife hauling around kids
in all weather day in and day out I want the car to be entirely functional
and VERY reliable.
In fact, I paid a premium for a Previa for this very reason:  I can
reasonably expect to get 5 years from the van with NO maintenance costs other
than fluids, filters, and tires.  That has been the case with other Toyotas
I've owned.  And no surprises either.
Fortunately, I have a 442 that satisfies the car thing in me.  For that I can
tolerate all that goes along with owning a 27 yr old car.

><< doesn't break, but I guess at 64 lbs you could remove the engine with one
> >hand.  Amazing.  I would guess this is an extremely reliable engine too,
> given
> >Toyota's reputation.
  >>
>all is true about reliability, but hey we are car enthusiasts..........toyota
>has one of the dullest car lines, every car they make couldnt make my pulse
>jump one beat.
> Want to make any toyota invisible???  Park it next to my 67 442 conv or
>F-85!!!!

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:39:06 -0500
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

I'd tend to agree, the article did not qualify the 64 lbs but it can't
possibly include everything.  The other interesting tidbit, they said the cost
of manufacture had fallen from $600 to $450 for this motor.  Apparently that is
VERY significant cost savings in the automobile world.


>That may just be the weight of the block (short block).    I can't see the
>motor (fully assembled) weighs just 64 lbs....(!!!!!).  Especially with 1800
>cc.'s.  Small motor, yes, but my bike motor (which is only a 750 cc.) weighs
>that much, at least.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:55:13 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>
>  >Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
>  >Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
>  >weighs 64 lbs!!!
>
> That may just be the weight of the block (short block).    I can't see the
> motor (fully assembled) weighs just 64 lbs....(!!!!!).  Especially with 1800
> cc.'s.  Small motor, yes, but my bike motor (which is only a 750 cc.) weighs
> that much, at least.

Maybe the whole engine does weigh 64 lbs.  It's probably just made of
plastic, like the rest of the car! 
_____________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:02:42 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Halloween Parade duty

Charley Buehner wrote:
> 
> > >>>I'd rather ride in the trunk of an olds, than drive a f*rd!!
 
> Just remember...  Over 85% of all f*rds are still on the road...
> 
On the *side* of the road, maybe....haven't you heard the one "Found On
Road Dead?"

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:47:33 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

Do you know who makes the electric unit?  I heard a rumor about one
but could not find out who made it.

Lucas Frick wrote:
> 
 electric supercharger for $1500 - that should be real

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:49:11 -0500
From: Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

Procharger makes a universal one that mounts with an A6 AC bracket.  You
have to rejet the carb, but Paxton will also work.

Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> 
> I wasn't aware they made superchargers for 455, who makes them?

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 11:19:03 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: digital dash

>I've been fighting with the digital dash in my '89 CS  since I bought it (just over
a 

>year & 1/2)  it would flash and go out occasionaly or not come on when I started
the 

>car  (usually lit up after a couple hard smacks)   I was told by a couple different
GM 

>dealers that it was a common problem and that the cure was simple; give them my
dash and 

>$250-$300, they send the dash off somewhere to get reconditioned and in 6-8 WEEKS
 I'd 

>get a working dash back    I wasnt going to drop $300 and go without a dash for


>two months unless I had to so I've just been smacking the dash (more & more all
the 

>time).   then my sisters car (its an '89 CS too) died  and was going to be parked
for 

>awhile  so...  I snagged the dash out of hers    went to put it in tonight   while


>pulling mine out, I got it to flicker & die by wiggling the wireing harness   fiddled


>around with it for awhile trying to find a bad wire, no luck so I finally just put
it 

>together with the harness possitioned "just so"   took the car for a drive (almost
50 

>miles altogether)  found a few bumps and I never saw the dash flicker even once!!
  

>

>hoping it lasts...  'course I'm not out any $$ if it dont

>

>Dustin

>

I had the same problem in an '84 N*ssan 300ZX.  The cold solder connections inside
the display that connected to the wire harness had hairline cracks.  This is usually
caused by moisture and it might help to put something in the car that will absorb
moisture--some kind of dry pack or something like that (I don't know what it's called.)
 If it's easy to get to the solder connections inside the display, check for cracks
in the solder (look closely--the cracks are usually very tiny).  If there are any,
just heat them up with a solder gun and add a little solder to them.  I did that
because N*ssan wanted a LOT of money for a new digital display (over $1500 if I remember
right) and a used one was $220.



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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:18:35 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: car but not Olds related

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-31 12:25:58 EST, you write:
> 
> <<
>  >Reading in yesterday's WSJ, Toyota has developed a new engine for the 1998
>  >Corolla.  Apparently an all aluminum, 4 cyl, OHC, 1800 cc but get this, it
>  >weighs 64 lbs!!!

Are you sure this isn't a typo?  The engine in my Polaris Indy 440
weighs at *least* that, and that's without coolant or expansion
chambers....

Even though the block and crank in my sled are steel, a 440cc twin
shouldn't weigh as much as an 1800cc four cylinder, whether it's made
out of aluminum or not.  *If* this is possible (big if), I'd question
the durability...it'd likely join the long list of Japanese "disposable"
engines.

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:23:57 -0500
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>>"There's something I've wanted to do for soooo long.  But on this island all
>>alone, it was just....well, it was impossible."
>>"Well, it's not impossible, anymore," the woman said.  The man,
>>practically panting in excitement, said breathlessly:
>>"You mean you actually figured out some way we can check our Olds e-mail
>>list here?"

That's what happens when you drink too much in the sun!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:41:21 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455 -Reply

I have seen it advertised on either My Classic Car or Hot Rod TV

>>> Marcus McGee <Crsalert@frontiernet.net> Friday, October 31, 1997
>>>
Do you know who makes the electric unit?  I heard a rumor about one
but could not find out who made it.

Lucas Frick wrote:
> 
 electric supercharger for $1500 - that should be real

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:22:17 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Losing My Hearing, or, The Radio Is Getting Weak.

I have noticed lately that I end up with the volume control on the radio
maxed out and have little volume.  I can hear it ok while driving, but I
cannot get it turned up loud when I want to.  I know I can't hear as
well as I used to, but I did go with quieter mufflers this year.  Do any
of you electronic wizzes have a soulution.  The radio is an Olds AM-FM
stereo with the extra box.  I am using a set of 13 year old Radio Shack
speakers in the stock locations.  Could it be the volume control or the
speakers dying?  On the other hand, my aftermarket 8 track sounds loud
enough through the same speakers.
	
Dave (Eh, what did you say sonny?) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:03:36 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Split Fire

>> >I tried them in an '83 Cutlass Supreme and they did exactly what they

>> claimed to

>> >do--increase horsepower, but not enough to notice.

>>                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

>Doc Bob asks:

>> OK, not to get epistemological or anything, but if you didn't notice an

>> increase in horsepower, then why do you think there was an increase in

>> horsepower?

>

>Ahhh, it must be one of those Mysteries of Faith  :)

>

Sorry, didn't mean to contradict myself.  Actually, I did notice a tiny increase
in power and a little bit smoother idle.



Anthony



'87 Olds Toronado Trofeo (current)

'88 Olds Toronado Trofeo

'84 N*ssan 300ZX Turbo

'83 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougam

'78 P*ntiac Grand Prix SJ



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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:17:45 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: A/C wiring harness

I need a wiring harness for a 70 supreme....just the section under the
hood...my wife caught it on fire a couple of years ago at the
dragstrip....but thats a whole 'nother story.
                Thanks,    Eric Phillips

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:29:58 -0600 (CST)
From: bryceman@442.com
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

>I wasn't aware they made superchargers for 455, who makes them?

Dave Smith has a complete kit in his catalog. FWIW I believe his kit comes
with everything needed to do the serpentine belt conversion also.

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles!
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
'65 442 Post Coupe
'65 Vista Cruiser
'72 H/O Convertible Pace Car Replica
Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 13:43:11 -0500
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Split Fire

Olds307Y wrote:
> 
> 160 on the New Jersey Turnpike also custum made ram air

Sorry, but haven't seen your name yet.  Anyway, Olds307Y :-), how did you
make your ram air?  I was comtemplating this, but it looked like I'd have
to hack stuff up pretty good to get air scoops to actually route to the air
cleaner in any efficient manner.  It seems like I'd have to route the tubes
in a round-about way, such that any "ram" effect would be greatly reduced. 
So, are your scoops under the bumper and how noticeable are they?  Thanks!
_______________________________

Jason K. Adcock
mailto:jadcock@vt.edu
OCA #028044

http://www.erols.com/adcockjk
1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais
1992 Ford Crown Victoria LX
1996 Jeep Grand Cherokee Laredo

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:06:26 -0500
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

At 01:01 PM 10/31/1997 EST, you wrote:
>     I've been watching the list for the last couple weeks and don't see
>much about the older big cars. I just bought a Delta a couple days ago
>and the body style tag number  says it is a "Celebrity Sedan". What are
>the different characteristics between this model and the 'Holiday Sedan'
>of the same year?

I believe that "Holiday" meant hardtop and "Celebrity" meant pillared.
This was in the days of four varieties of full-size non-convertibles:

2-door hardtop = Holiday Coupe
4-door hardtop = Holiday Sedan
2-door pillared = Celebrity Coupe
4-door pillared = Celebrity Sedan


But someone correct me if I'm wrong.



Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:26:52 -0600
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: Supercharge a 455

	Superpac is the name of the company.  Searched internet for a
few seconds and found a discussion.  4 psi boost, draws 80 amps spooling
and 60 amps at full boost.  Their # 805-383-6720. I'll probably order a
spec sheet but thats about it.
	And about a 68 pound motor - no way.  My Suzuki GSXR750 is a
little over 400lbs.  100 is frame and wheels.  But if it is true I WOULD
NOT want to be in a wreck in it.  Imagine a 442 going thru an
intersection.  Toyota 1500lb car runs a light and I T-bone em.  That car
would be launched and lunched. Bike probably wouldnt do that great
either but at least its fast enough to get out of trouble.
	Luke 71 442

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:25:34 -0500 (EST)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '67 Cutlass sway bars

I remember the thread about big sway bars here a couple of weeks ago. As I'll
be checking out a couple junkyards this weekend, I need to know which cars to
look for/at in order to find one of those bigger bars?

Where did you all find them ?

Peter/CoupeKing

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 16:40:20 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> 
> A rather inhibited and stuffy engineer finally splurged on a luxury
[snip.....snip snip snip snip!!!!]
> "You mean you actually figured out some way we can check our Olds e-mail
> list here?"
> Bobby
> 
> 70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

Bobby, Bobby, Bobby!!!!
You actually wasted enough time and bandwidth typing that just so I
could waste 5 minutes of MY life reading it???!!!

You have to be the sickest man on EARTH!!!!

;-)
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 15:59:37 -0600
From: "babbott@pdnt.com" <babbott@pdnt.com>
Subject: Beautiful day in central IL.

Hey fellers,
I drove my car to work for the last time of the season today. Theres
something about the sound of a built 455 at 3800 RPM on the highway that
you just can't get from some smoggy little 307. Still, I wish I would have
opted to put higher gears in it. Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud, but I
hope to hear the stories from you folks in the warmer climates in the
months to come.


Eric Phillips
70 Cutlass Supreme 455 N.O.S

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 19:40:27 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: 1966 Delta 88

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	Holiday Sedan = non-pillared (hardtop)
	Celebrity Sedan = pillared

	I own a Delta88 1966 also but Holiday Sedan.

	Where are you located?. I'm far away in Argentina.

	Let's be in touch.

	Regards

	Raul Martinez

- -----Mensaje original-----
De:	Edward J. Hufnagel [SMTP:ejhufnagel@juno.com]
Enviado el:	Viernes 31 de Octubre de 1997 15:01
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	1966 Delta 88

     I've been watching the list for the last couple weeks and don't see
much about the older big cars. I just bought a Delta a couple days ago
and the body style tag number  says it is a "Celebrity Sedan". What are
the different characteristics between this model and the 'Holiday Sedan'
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:46:24 -0500 (EST)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Rallye350 Web Page

Hello,

I created my own webpage. It's about my favorite car, the 70 Rallye350. The
webpage is still in the process. I'm still working on it so it's a little
crudy! The address for it is:

http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html

Thanks,
Jim McKeague

If you have any ideas or some information please e-mail me! I am looking for
feedback!!!

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 14:49:51 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

Hey that's pretty ingenious.  Designing one to fit in the place of an AC
compressor!

How does one of these centrifugal superchargers work with a carburetor?
When under boost wouldn't all the vacuum ports on the carb (PCV, vapor
canister, power brakes, vacuum advance, etc) be pressure ports now rather
than vacuum ports?  Then you'd have fuel/air mixture being pushed out all
sorts of places it didn't belong.  Would you need to boost your fuel
pressure by the boost amount too?

Marcus McGee wrote:

> Procharger makes a universal one that mounts with an A6 AC bracket.  You
> have to rejet the carb, but Paxton will also work.
>
> Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:
> >
> > I wasn't aware they made superchargers for 455, who makes them?



- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:10:18 -0500 (EST)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: the Quad 442

In a message dated 97-10-31 10:03:40 EST, you write:

<< Hey i still have the original radiator hoses and water pump on my calais
Q4 with close to 200,000 miles, and i can still smoke by the brand new
rustangs with ease, wow does it make them madder than hell when they get beat
my a plain old looking daily runner like a calais. 
  >>
200k w/orig hoses??.hope u dont travel far from home...r those stangs the 81
255ci type?? good luck w/yr olds........

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 18:12:30 -0500 (EST)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Supercharge a 455

My brother put a paxton on his pontiac 455 and converted to supentine belts 8
rib, i think to have all 3 pullies made it was $350.00(crank,paxton, idler).

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 97 18:11:29 PST
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: THIS JUST IN!!!

Hi all,
Just got home from work and took a quick peak at the mail.  I got my Year One, Restoration Review and low and behold the cover story is about W-Codes from our beloved maker.  Looks like a lot of nice pictures.  Haven't read it yet as I'm heading up to the Chicago area to meet with Bob Cline tomorrow.  I'll let you know what I come back with.  :-)  Dave Wyatt, keep your lips sealed.  (FYI, he knows what I'm getting)

Later
Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus a surprise I let you know about!
and my usual others

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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 17:48:13 -0700
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Deserted Island--the continuing saga

Snip of cruise ship disaster...

> "Well, it's not impossible, anymore," the woman said.  The man,
> practically panting in excitement, said breathlessly:
> "You mean you actually figured out some way we can check our Olds
> e-mail list here?"

I remember hearing about this situation.  Seems to me she was on the
list, too.  I think it was "3macguyver@aol.com" but can't recall for
sure.  She hollowed out three coconut shells, and formed them into a
satellite antenna.  Quite powerful too, as I recall.  She'd managed to
"borrow" a few entertainment items when the ship went down, like a TV
and a calculator, and a couple other personal items.  By heating up
fishbones to certain temperatures, she managed to fabricate wires, and
successfully get the TV working.  She needed to modify her credit card
magnetic strip to actually get any stations over satellite, but soon she
was punching up the calculator and emailing everyone in the world.  You
know, smut pages, the whole nine yards.  When the engineer enterred her
life, he introduced her to the ~one~ concept she hadn't yet figured
out:  triangulation.  By finding two other satellite signals (which
required a couple more coconuts) they were able to pinpoint their exact
location in the world...  Right in the Persian Gulf. (It still remains a
mystery how they got that far on a Caribbean cruise, perhaps the captain
was drunk, but the cause of the accident became painfully clear rather
quickly.  Purely coincedental, one of the satellites they accessed
together was some spy satellite from Iraq.  Creepy.  They managed to get
their location out to the Olds list only moments before Iraqui secret
agents blew out their sat. link with a high power laser (actually it was
an American laser satellite, but Saddam had accidentally siezed control
of it on the prior weekend trying to hack into internet pay-per-smut
pages.  A pleasant suprise for him, I'm sure.  Fortunately, the messages
ended up at the right desk (since the President had been a closet Olds
lover for years -- a secret she'd kept hidden from the entire country,
including her husband!  The only other individuals to know anything
about her addiction reside in Russia, and apparantly are quite close
allies...)  Soooo, one thing led to another, and during the rescue
attempt, someone accidentally mistook the red cross flag for a rocket
launcher (probably because that's what held the red cross flag up in the
first place...)  Well, soon enough, shots were fired, and I guess they
had a pretty heated battle there for a few years.  The did get those two
rescued safely in time, but most of their worldly possessions were
lost.  She was, unfortunately, asked to leave the Olds list, after
repeated emailbomb attempts by Saddam.  Apparantly he blamed her for
getting kicked out of several chat rooms after accidentally blowing out
their satellite links while trying to figure out how to run the laser
satellite (it took about twelve shots before wiping out the island's
link, and about five before he figured out how to even hit the ground --
He apologizes for that glacial melting up in Montana, resulted in quite
a flood.)  Ms Macguyver got a message from some guy named Bill Gates,
who apparantly was interested in her techniques with the satellite
communications.  He was rather impressed, and figured on being able to
come up with some kind of outlet for her technological expertise.  Last
I heard, he had her working on an Mac, trying to figure out how it
works.  Never heard from her again, it's assumed she changed her name to
keep her company from getting email bombed any more.  Rumor has it this
Gates guy made it big with her findings.  Not sure.  As for our
engineering friend, last anyone heard he had been fired from his job
(since he didn't even bother to call in for three years!  The nerve! 
They cleaned out his desk and everything.  When he finally showed up,
all that was there was a picture of him with an illegible caption
written in crayon underneath.  This was in a display case in the front
foyer of the company's central office.  Next to the portrait (which
~was~ a rather good shot of him sleeping on his desk) was a set of car
keys with a Rocket emblem on the keychain.  Apparantly nobody could
figure out where he parked his car.  He liked to keep it well hidden,
since it was a W30 and all.  There was a layer of dust on the picture
and the keys.  Apparantly they never gotten around to cleaning it, since
it was somewhat obscured by the new toilet bowl cleaner they'd just
upgraded to.  Well, he was a little upset about that.  There really was
nothing wrong with the old stuff anyway.  He took his keys and his
picture and left.  Found his car, but the battery was dead.  He traded a
passing motorist his solid plastic picture frame for a jump start.  Of
course things just weren't the same for him, he blamed Oldsmobile for
all his troubles, since his desire to be on the mailing list started
such a scandal for him.  Last I'd heard about him, he'd traded the Olds
to some guy in northeast Montana for a 12pack of beer and an 82 che*y
blazer (had about 80000 miles on it, net worth about $200.  Actually it
dropped somewhat, because the CD player got pulled out before the
trade...)  I saw the blazer on a tow truck the next weekend, and never
heard from him again.  Is a cool keychain, though ;)

			Gawd, who writes this stuff???!!!

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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